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Should Todd Akin drop out?

Todd Akin, GOP Senate candidate in Missouri, who in a recent poll was leading Claire McCaskill 51% to 40%, managed to throw the race wide open with a Category 5 blundering Biden (aka gaffe/blunder/’misstatement’) that including this ‘gem’:

“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

It was a bad enough blunder that he had to walk it back today with an apology:

In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it’s clear that I misspoke in this interview and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year.

Some conservatives activists and some here have Akin must go over it.

Nate Silver makes a reasonable argument that a comment like this can move polls by about 10 points – there goes the Akin lead and then some.

Should Akin withdraw? Two viewpoints, and conveniently I’m holding on to both of them:

1. No: It’s a big gaffe, but he apologized, lets move on. Lets not let our campaigns get defined by the manufactured outrage of the other side. Rather than try to defend Rep Akins artless way of trying to explain that abortions due to rape are a tiny fraction of total abortions, lets just say: “Rep Akins said a foolish thing that he apologized later that day. We should move on and discuss the real issues and positions that we face. “

2. Yes: This gaffe is so bad he would probably lose, and indicates he is gaffe-prone and weak. We need to salvage this race, this race is ours to lose, and with Akin we will lose it.

Nate Silver’s analysis is convincing in that there is no way it wont hurt and with the ‘distancing dance’ being played it poisons the well for a well-oiled machine in Missouri. So the reasoning goes: If Akins steps aside, put in a new candidate, then by next Sunday this would be back to “leans R” race. Steelman would work as well.

A reasonable Akin withdrawal scenario would be for Akin to voluntarily suspend his campaign and withdraw in favor of the person who got the 2nd highest # of votes in the MO-SEN primary: John Brunner. The bonus is that Brunner was already running better in polls than Akin; Brunner polled better than Akin before the primary, to such an extent that McCaskill ran ads to ‘help’ Akin in the primary.

I am straddling the fence, not wanting to dump a guy but not wanting to throw away a seat; my own bottom-line is: I am all for the stiff upper lip on Akin’s boneheaded remark if he stays in, but this reminds me of JFK’s comment “Sometimes party loyalty asks too much.”
Akin should not make others pay for his mistake, and we may pay, as we paid for the ‘macaca’ mistake in 2006. It would be better if he withdrew to let a stronger candidate take his place, in particular one of the other primary candidates.

On twitter, Patrick Ruffini has claimed my a margin of 98 to 2 conservative activists on twitter want Akin to step aside. So I am asking the same question of all of you to get a sense of Redstate: What say you?

Should Todd Akin drop out?

make is a yes/no (with of without explanation) and we’ll make a tally.

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  • commonsenseobserver

    After our nominee for President came out and stuck a knife in him, which was the worst thing Team Mitt could do at this point to further fan the flames of controversy, there’s no other course of option. There’s a wide range of possible candidates as well. Sarah Steelman, for one, being a woman, would prevent the Democrats from wielding this as a weapon.

    • thefrederalgovt

      Our nominee threw him under the bus, so he has to step aside or people will make Romney appear weak. Whoever Romney’s handlers are need to grow up.

      • commonsenseobserver

        with 12 years of federal experience cannot handle a question about abortion.

      • APA Guy

        If Romney sided with Akin, he would be losing to Obama by 10 points in the next round of polls.

        Folks on our side scream bloody murder when Dems defend people who say and do terrible things because they agree with the ideology of said idiot(s). The fact that Todd Akin is a conservative does not mean we defend him at all costs. There is a larger picture to consider here i.e. our inability to take back the senate should Akin remain in the race…and to blame Romney and his handlers for not defending someone who has put his foot so firmly in his mouth is extremely poor form.

  • generica

    It’s a blunder on the Macaca level, and it’s disturbing if he thought that was true or a good thing to bring up, but I don’t think we should turn on him.

    I’m probably not smart enough to predict what would happen if we did versus if we don’t, and in recognition of that I think loyalty and a good faith effort to rally around him is the better answer.

    • audax

      Hopefully Allen has learnt how to handle the media better while on his 6 year vacation….

  • absdoggy

    Look, this wasn’t a “gaffe”. He didn’t “misspeak”. Don’t insult my intelligence. Fact is, he really believes this stupidity, and then using the term “legitimate rape” – ah, no, all rape is by definition a crime of violence against women. If the question is whether a woman has made a legitimate or illegitimate ACCUSATION of rape, then fine, but there’s no such thing as legitimate rape. This belies a very ugly attitude towards women.

    More than just his race, he’s now got Romney all over the place on this. Romney’s response yesterday was (1) shallow in its condemnation of Aiken’s statements, and (2) just plain wrong in that he stated that Romney/Ryan are okay with abortion in the case of rape, which Ryan is decidely not. , and (3) now it brings out Ryan’s vote re “forcible rape”, which has more of a technical legal definition, but now sounds just as bad.

    One thing I have always been proud of is when Republicans do the right thing in cases like this – it’s condemned, it’s acknowledged, and there are serious consequences, from Nixon to Livingston to Trent Lott, etc, unlike the cigar man Clinton, Maxine Waters, and the whole line of disgraced Dems who stick their middle finger to us all and stay on.

    Replace him now and win in November

  • ffc99

    tip my cap to Claire and her campaign team. The money they spent to help Aiken win the primary looks like it’s going to be the best investment they’ll make in the entire campaign.

  • renny

    and if another Rep. can carry the state, I would also say let the runner-up in the primaries take Aikens’ place. As long as he remains in place, the issue remains a scab for the MSM to pick and a distraction for R&R. Get rid of it.

  • mikeymike143

    he is not withdrawing because people on political sites think that he should. LOL.

    the primary is over and akin won. that’s reality. so you are either supporting todd or you are actually supporting claire.

  • Xasteius

    It’s a blunder, but Akin has apologized. If he’s smart, he’ll hit back with comments on how the D’s wage war on women and families.

    And BTW, I am ashamed of Sarah Steelman for her comments

    • thefrederalgovt

      I put Romney and Steelman in same camp because Romney’s words have more weigh and that weight threw a distinguished US Congressman under the bus for one gaffe where Romney makes many.

  • runner12

    He cannot recover from this one. I am strongly pro-life and have no problem with his stance on abortion. However, his comments offended me so much as a woman with the whole “legitimate rape” thing. Not only that, but he violated one of Breitbart’s rules which is “never pretend you know about something that you do not.”

    All the man had to do was say that he is pro-life across the board and move on. Instead, he chickened out and tried to justify his beliefs with a heap of incorrect nonsense.

    There are other Conservatives waiting in the wings who could better represent MO. Let them have a chance.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    I share the angst of others, and think that if conservative Redstate feels this way, Akin is pretty much toast. Another thread mentions EE saying as much. Less than 24 hours ago EE was defending him. As was I at first, but realized that defending something inexcusable is pointless.

    Those of us who are not women need to listen to the women on this:

    “He cannot recover from this one. I am strongly pro-life and have no problem with his stance on abortion. However, his comments offended me so much as a woman with the whole ?legitimate rape? thing…”

    • runner12

      People need to read M. Malkin’s article on this. She is spot on and I do not think anyone doubts her socially conservative credentials. She is also not one to back down from the MSM.

      The guy may have mispoken, but he came across as condescending and ignorant about a topic that is a woman’s worst nightmare. It is the crime we fear the most. I wish I could articulate it better, but I can’t other than to say that his comments were just plain awful.

      He needs to step down, now.

  • civil truth

    I’ve also switched overnight, deciding that there is no defense against the “legitimate rape” sound bite.

    • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

      You, me, and a whole lot of other people are agreeing – Akin should step aside. Brunner or Steelman can step in.

      Also saw: “Cornyn (NRSC), Johnson, Brown, Rove, Drudge, SBAList, not explicitly but Romney himself, most Missouri Republicans ? they are all saying he needs to go.”

      “Jennifer Rubin of the Washington Post reports that she talked to a GOP aide who said, if he stays in the race, he ?gets no assistance, no money, no surrogates.?”

      HotAir shows that it is pretty universal …
      http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/20/is-todd-akin-going-to-drop-out/

      “Missouri Republicans have other choices. Both Sarah Steelman and John Brunner led troubled Democratic incumbent Sen. Claire McCaskill in polls taken during the GOP primary, and both were closer to the Tea Party than Akin (Steelman was endorsed by Sarah Palin). If Akin drops out of the race by tomorrow, the Missouri GOP could still pick another candidate. Akin has caused enough damage already. He should do the right thing and step aside and make room for somebody else while there?s still time.”

      ?One of the lessons we learned in 2010 is that we need candidates who are not only conservative, but are capable of putting together a strong campaign against liberal opponents,? Amy Kremer, the group?s chairwoman, said in a statement. Kremer followed Connie Mack?s lead in comparing Akin?s comments to ones made by Vice President Joe Biden last week: ?Akin?s frequent ?Bidenisms? are distracting from the important issues at hand.?

      • redriderpurplesage

        and supporting Akin’s decision to stay in the race.

        The people of Missouri obviously wanted the MOST CONSERVATIVE candidate to run against McCaskill. They have spoken. I agree that Akin’s remarks were poorly chosen and misinformed, but who hasn’t stuck his foot in his mouth from time to time?

        Does anyone here really think that someone who believes so strongly in the sanctity of life (as Akin does) would be a woman-hater, or would condone rape or try to say that some instances of it or worse than others? Of course not.

        Akin was nominated by the PEOPLE. Let him run, and support him or leave him alone.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    I gave him my 2 cents:

    “@ToddAkin Your inexcusable comment has crippled your campaign. For country, party and your own honor, pls withdraw from #mosen race.”

    This is a dangerous election cycle, and any distraction could give Team Obama oppty to win in ways they dont deserve.

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/332078.php

    • PowerToThePeople

      just now telling him to ignore the fools such as yourself. Told him cowards have no place in his reasoning or his decisions.

      • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

        but not entitled to call voices of reason ‘cowards’.

        Discretion is the better part of valor.

        • PowerToThePeople

          except it should have included some quite profane language. The way you cowards have ran to throw Akin under the bus all over lousy wording just because the mean ole dems might bring it up is the epitome of cowardly.

          There is not valor in your nonsense and cowardice.

          • civil truth

            Because while holding pro-life views is an important feature for a Senate candidate, the ability to articulate and explain – that is, the ability to sell the case to swing voters – is equally if not more important.

            And in this case, we have strong pro-life alternatives, at least in Brunner or Steelman to take his place.

            The presence of a constructive alternative is a key distinguishing factor in this instance.

          • PowerToThePeople

            we have enough so called articulate people in politics, now we need men of conviction.

            And even if you are correct, the reality is the statement made by Akin was no where near the level of deserving this type of hyperbole.

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            Great way to lose friends and influence nobody.

          • PowerToThePeople

            and giving in has done so much for us and this country to date, has it not?

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            Now includes Hannity, Marc Levin, Ann Coulter:
            http://www.humanevents.com/2012/08/20/ann-coulter-if-akin-loves-his-country-he-will-step-aside/

            National Review:
            http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/314502/step-aside-todd-akin-editors

            The “full weight of the Republican party”:
            http://www.politico.com/blogs/charlie-mahtesian/2012/08/the-todd-akin-countdown-132623.html
            “It?s hard to see how Akin recovers from a controversy of this magnitude ? one that has Republicans up and down the ticket and across the nation denouncing him. His fundraising, already unimpressive, is going to dry up. The air cover is going to go away. Support from the national party will be non-existent because of Akin?s toxicity.

            And all of it will play out in a state that?s no lock for the GOP. Missouri is Republican-leaning but still fairly competitive.

            In other words, it’s likely that his candidacy is terminal.”

            PPP did a poll. Akin lost 10 points from the prior poll of a week ago, it has gone from lean R to lean D on this.

          • PowerToThePeople

            hope is lost, we are doomed, doooooomed I say.

            Sorry, did not know that all of us should run our lives and act cowardly just because Hannity, Levin, and Coulter say so. Thanks for enlightening me.

            Cowards, the lot of you.

          • APA Guy

            It’s not being a “coward” to hold conservatives accountable for their actions. It’s called being consistent.

            We complain when Dems do precisely what you are doing in this instance i.e. defending the indefensible juts because you agree with a man’s ideology. If this was RINO or Dem, would you be so quick to jump to his defense?

            This isn’t about Coulter, Levin or Hannity. This is about holding a politician accountable for his actions and doing what is best for the country. There is no way in hell Todd Akin wins this senate seat now…NONE. To hell with the party…for the good of the COUNTRY, he needs to do the right thing and step down instead of digging in.

          • PowerToThePeople

            This is an issue of poor English, not screwing some intern, stealing money from the poor pot, etc. This is a well meaning statement of conviction that did not come out well, that is all, period.

            The sky is falling BS that is going on here over a statement is absurd and cowardly. If I did not know what had happened, I would guess the guy got caught stomping his foot in a bathroom stall trying to get a little man on man action, not that he spoke his convictions in a way that did not sound great.

            We as a party should have stepped up and clarified, rather than beating this man down. He apologized, and the gist of his statement is clear. He did not praise boy love, he spoke up for the unborn, off the cuff, and did not do real well, but we should have been there for him. We have been cowards and pussies. We are so afraid of the big bad dems, we are unwilling to do what is right here. So we would rather sacrifice a good man just to appease the dem masters. That sir is cowardly.

            He will win, nothing has changed that. A year from now, his statement will no longer be remembered, but I guarantee this witch hunt and the cowardly actions of so many on this side will be remembered and more importantly, will be remembered by the dems who will use our cowardice on other good men and women who just do not say everything perfectly.

            I would hate to see how you all would act if he had actually said something immoral or racist. He would have to fear for his life.

          • APA Guy

            When Ras has him down 10 points, it’s not a left-wing opinion-generator. Ras uses reliable LV models and has consistently polled the last 2 presidential election results flawlessly.

            If Ras says he’s down 10, he’s down 10…and to give Dems bulletin board material like this (to say nothing of a senate seat we desperately need to take control of that chamber) leading into their convention for selfish ambitions is, to me, cowardly in and of itself. It displays a sort of selfish nature that puts oneself ahead of the good of the country…which is despicable.

            Sorry…we just disagree in this completely.

          • PowerToThePeople

            Because I respect you on this site and enjoy our internet friendship, going to leave this subject alone. I am way too fed up with the bandwagon riders and the sky is falling folks, I have no longer have the ability to hold my tongue. As I stated above, there are few here I respect, you are one of them and I would rather move on than cause a rift between us and with my mouth, a rift would occur.

            Going to have to agree to strongly disagree on this matter. Future respect and friendship is more important.

          • APA Guy

            …and we remain united to bring this country back from what Obama has done to her.

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            Polling shows Akins favorable is down to the 20s.

            The only one who wants Akin in the race at this point is Claire McCaskill and Akin’s consultant. They have ulterior motives.

      • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

        After I confirmed I was a voting Republican, albeit a conservative first, I asked if they passed on comments. When she said yes, I proceeded to tell her that while I appreciated many of the efforts Priebus had been making on behalf of the RNC, I was really ticked that the RNC chose to abandon Akin over a misstatement for which he apologized, that it wasn’t as if the rest of them hadn’t made mistakes, and that I was much more concerned about a POTUS who supports murdering babies halfway out of the womb. Surprisingly, she said “You’re not alone,” along with a few other comments. I’m assuming there are others who agree with us.

        • checkmate2012

          ridiculous nature of this whole affair, knowing your stance of course. I’m with you that much worse “crimes” have been committed by all politicians. It’s no time to throw our own under the bus.

          As I lurked on MSNBC tonight, it was the talk of the town with tapes of R&R saying just the opposite of what their saying today- damning indeeed.

          Can we please move on? Thanks for being another rod of reason in this political storm.

        • PowerToThePeople

          and I am very glad you took a stand on this matter. It is refreshing to see there are sane people left on this page.

          The way some were acting around here one would think that Akin announced his membership for NAMBLA and how much of a good thing man/boy love is, not that he simple did not use the right words to describe his Godly conviction.

          I am so ashamed of so many on here, some who I held in high respect.

  • commonsenseobserver

    And whether Conservatives like it or not, we know that these comments are a weapon that will be used against us at every turn, especially, but not only, if Todd Akin remains on the ticket.

    It was a wise decision by the RNC, the NRSC, and Crossroads to put the full pressure of the Republican establishment to bear on him, but that is not enough. The people who want to cricle their wagons around him are the same people who wanted to throw the party and the country down the cliff with O’Donnell’s doomed campaign. And this is not a mid-term election.

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