We conservatives lost this election seven, six and five years ago because we did not stand up and fight for our principles when the Republican President and the then-Republican-majority Congress presided over the largest increase in the size of the Federal government since FDR’s New Deal.
We lost when we denounced opposition to the way the GWOT was being conducted as opposition as being unpatriotic. Even with all of his domestic policy heresies, if George Bush had initiated a “surge” strategy in 2005 or even sooner (interestingly enough, like John McCain wanted), I think the Republicans still would have prevailed this year. But instead, we “loyally” followed a failed strategy that allowed the Left to argue that America had lost and could not win.
We lost because nearly everytime our Republican President and our Repubican Congressmen violated a conservative principle — from “No Child Left Behind” to this Administration’s plan for the Federal government to purchase equity positions in (erstwhile) private enterprises — we conservatives were silent. Indeed, we often actively supported them.
Can we blame the American public for not believing conservatism works when for the last eight years, whenever this Administration initiated another big-government liberal — excuse me, “compassionate conservative” but I repeat myself — program doomed to failure, very few if any conservatives stood up to say that Bush’s programs were not conservative and because they were not conservative they were doomed to failure?
Can we truly blame the American public for not being afraid of Obama’s Marxism when for the last eight years we have already begun experiencing the slow drift to socialism under the guise of a “conservative” Administration (and a “conservative” Congress for the first six years of that)?
Even now, I do not think many of us can admit that Bush’s is a failed Presidency and that he was never a conservative.
Let me state explicitly and unequivically what I have hinted at before: John McCain (the “Maverick” that we conservatives love to hate) is and has even been for the last eight years more conservative than President George W. Bush. Quite frankly, we and American as a whole would have been much, much better off if John McCain had been elected President in 2000 and 2004.
Indeed, on many subjects (not all, but many), Bill Clinton was more conservative and a more successful President than George W. Bush!
I could go one but it’s late, I’m tired and I am too depressed but I must ask the basic question to my fellow conservatives on RedState: What happened to our principles?
My fellow conservatives, where is our conscience?
To me, these are not rhetorical questions. Please feel free to use this diary as an open thread to answer them. I really want to know and we, as a movement, really need to know.

Just a few points to ponder, Zoot
seattle_ite Wednesday, November 5th at 5:28AM EST (link)I do agree that W isn’t very conservative, and proposed/supported measures that would make Reagan spin in his grave.
That being said, he has kept us from another attack on our own soil for the last 7 years. Hardly a failure, since Bubba couldn’t decide what to do about terrorism, other than ignore it.
The GWOT/preemptive strike strategy is actually very sound; the problem was in the execution, and communication realms. There, I have to grudgingly admit, he did drop the ball rather seriously. But a failed policy, not so much.
As to the economy, he shares some blame, but the basics were, once again, sound. Malfeasance by the opposition and just horrible ethics from lending giants (as well as criminally bad bookkeeping from the GSE’s)caused the financial mess, and W’s response was to throw more money down the hole. That strategy never works, and he should have fired his advisors, on that score.
If he was actually a failure, I could agree with you. But so much of the problem is with the BDS crowd, and that he didn’t respond properly(or at all) to his many detractors. NY Times should have been slapped around a bit on several occasions for leaking classified material during a time of war, and I personally wish that more of the weeds in Congress had been pulled in ‘06 (not just from our side, either).
Not piling on, guy; I agree that the big problem with the GOP is that not enough are conservative, or that they lump themselves into sub-groupings (SoCons, FisCons and NatSecCons), while ignoring the totality of Conservatism. My take is, it’s hard to be a SoCon or FisCon, if the NatSecCon wing gets thrown out, but I’m ex Navy; hard-wired to think of those things.
The point is, if one wants to be a FisCon, and support abortion on demand while ignoring threats from abroad (Arlen), then one should jump to the other party, or join the Libertarians. Same with the other combinations of the three stool legs. But if you’re going to be conservative in the GOP about anything, start thinking about party unity for a change, and at least don’t work against members who form one or two of the other legs.
For example, Roe v Wade ain’t gonna be overturned; get used to it, that’s just the way it is. What SoCons need to focus on, and communicate as such, is that abortion should never be used as an everyday form of birth control, and anti-parental notification laws are simply wrong. FisCons need to get serious about smaller government, lower taxes and massively reduced spending, and NEVER COMPROMISE. NatSecCons MUST ALWAYS stand for what they espouse, even if it means losing on a vote. But above all, stick together.
As an aside, I notice that the GOP likes to throw members under the bus over ethical lapses that the Dems moan about publically (we all know that an inappropriate email doesn’t hold a candle to some of the serious violations on the left). Morally, I agree that our side shouldn’t keep members who think wrongly and act badly, but the opposition never just resigns in disgrace, and it’s a bad thing that the media and the Dems keep pushing us into taking ‘the high road’ because everyone expects us to.
I say this as a registered Independent who generally votes a GOP ticket. I’d probably join the party, if there weren’t so many RINO’s in it.
In all, cheer up. Obama will probably (hopefully) get spanked by reality within his first three months and, barring that, there’s always the possibility of a GOP sweep in ‘10. Hopefully, if that happens, the new members will have the stones to fight the good fight.
Respectfully yours,
CWD
not really seattle
kyle8 Wednesday, November 5th at 6:22AM EST (link)G W Bush is a pretty horrible president, and the Senate republicans were a bunch of feckless career jobbers.
Sure Bush did a few things right, and he did stick with his plans even when things got tough, but we know now that was not courage, it was just sheer stubbornness. The same stubbornness that kept him from instituting a surge strategy for three years.
But I don’t even blame him, I blame the big Republican movers who drafted him, and presented him on a silver platter to us in 1999.
We have to regroup now and have the ALL IMPORTANT internal debate to decide just what it is we believe in and have just a few (no more than six or seven) big policies which we can push. It will be at least eighteen months before any Republicans can think about challenging the democrats, so we have to be united for a change.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
If you recall Zoot
SG_Lominac Wednesday, November 5th at 6:31AM EST (link)It was often very difficult for Republicans to hold their leader’s feet to the fire because we have to spend every waking moment defending them against the liberal media/political machine. I remember having that conversation with my brother. We knew something wasn’t right with many of President Bush’s programs but it’s almost like your on “auto-protect”. Denouncement of your leaders is extremely difficult when you have to slog through every event, situation and policy through a hail of media arrows inch by inch. Any Republican plan for the future has to have some kind of plan for the media. Grassroots should consider/enact boycotts. I have.
What the hell is going on out here? - Vince Lombardi
that was exactly our problem
kyle8 Wednesday, November 5th at 6:42AM EST (link)we defended Bush over and over, and the Senate Republicans too, even when they were jackasses. Maybe we should not have.
I have learned my lesson, when a Republican does something stupid, or venal, I will denounce them, and not support them unless they make it right.
Now is the perfect time to get the party right since we have no power to lose.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Not giving W a pass, Kyle.
seattle_ite Wednesday, November 5th at 7:14AM EST (link)I just think that “horrible” is a bit harsh, considering all the things that could have gone worse. Some of his proposals and (un)responses made me want to spew. But, in all, anyone who lived through the Carter years should know W ain’t that bad, under the circumstances.
Also, it needs to be repeated that he started his first term with an extremely hostile opposition, who never backed down. Add the rabid anti-war lefties, and he grades a bit better, IMHO.
What would help...
seattle_ite Wednesday, November 5th at 7:24AM EST (link)…is if the elitist pundits would stop telling us what’s best, and get back to first principles. Their first instinct is to pick a ‘get along’ candidate, over a true conservative, which is what a lot of Americans want. They picked, we had to swallow. Fred should have sown this one up, but he didn’t want to face Hillary. Mac was the bone we were thrown, and if we didn’t like the taste, too bad, according to the RINO’s in the punditry.
I love you, Kyle
ZootSuit Wednesday, November 5th at 8:54AM EST (link)In a manly, conservative Republican way, of course!
***** Unrepentant African-American nationalist, Unapologetic African-American conservative!
I share many of your feelings today, but there are areas I disagree.
ouwant2 Wednesday, November 5th at 8:55AM EST (link)We have lost double digits in the house and Senate over the last two elections. This just cannot be over looked.
America has grown tired of the corporate greed. Regan economics never included CEO’s making hundreds of millions of dollars running their companies into the ground and firing American workers. Regan economics never included tax incentives to firing American workers while opening new plants in Mexico. Regan economics never included the top 1% owning 42% of the wealth in this country. Regan economics never included bailing out the banks, insurance companies, and auto industry on the backs of the tax payers.
The new democrat playbook is perfectly designed for the new America. The new America finds the new minority is the working and taxpaying white man. The democrats lock up the black and Hispanic votes, and then skim off as much non taxpaying whites (college, high school, poor, old, single mom) as they can and this now equals the majority in this country. The fact this in now the majority is a tale tale sign that trickledown economics has officially been killed.
ONCE they have 51% of the voters on the dole,
olsmithie Wednesday, November 5th at 9:06AM EST (link)that is paying no taxes and receiving services, how do you get the socialists out of office?
It’s a FDR dream come true.
However there are a few of us hardheads who don’t know when we are beat and keep working to free the country!
Regards
general strike?
kyle8 Wednesday, November 5th at 9:15AM EST (link)let it all collapse. Start over.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Good points all
ILLINOIS_CONSERV Wednesday, November 5th at 10:29AM EST (link)but I think Olsmithie nailed it. When you get that many people on the government teet, it is a Democrat’s dream. Keep them dumb, fat, and happy. Tell them it isn’t their fault it is those mean repubs giving tax breaks to those mean big corporations.
“…Put my faith in the people but the people let me down..so I turned the other way and I carry on anyhow..”- Rare Earth
The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke
It Won't Be Long...
JChesney Wednesday, November 5th at 11:27AM EST (link)After years of finding excuses not to read the lengthy classic, “Atlas Shrugged”, I sat down this summer and read this incredible, life-changing novel. I was amazed that Ayn Rand predicted more than 50 years ago, exactly what is happening today.
I agree that as the non-tax paying citizens of this country increase in record numbers, it is going to be very difficult to convince them to share the burden. One can only hope that as these people grow older and wiser, and try to make their owm way in this world, that they quickly realize the shrinking base of taxpayers can’t possibly carry the burden by themselves.
I have worked hard my entire life to improve my modest upbringing, and quite frankly I’m getting tired of carrying the burden for those who expect others to take care of them.
Before long, I will have to shrug and hope that someone out there is willing to pick up the slack.
As a hardworking, taxpaying Black man
ZootSuit Wednesday, November 5th at 11:35AM EST (link)I disagree with the racial characterizations. Or should I say, stereotyping. Furthermore, I also disagree with your spiel on “corporate greed.”
I argue that we lost because the majority of citizens decided that they preferred socialism with a (D) instead of socialism with an (R). That is what we seem to have been doing since at least George W, Bush was first inaugurated in 2001.
Who knows, if Republicans ever start offering limited-government capitalism to the people again, we just may regain the White House, those seats we lost and more.
***** Unrepentant African-American nationalist, Unapologetic African-American conservative!
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Tim_Schieferecke Wednesday, November 5th at 11:44AM EST (link)n/t
Tim Schieferecke
These are just half of the problems, Zoot.
Rod_Patrick Wednesday, November 5th at 12:59PM EST (link)Although I agree with your points, I guess you’re just looking at our side of the fence. Be holistic!
Let us also look at the “dirty tricks” of the other side. You will know that their Win today is not just a sheer of luck.
It’s been a grand design all along since 1996. Somehow, FrontPageMagazine is correct in assessing the enemy. I’m talking of the socialists and anti-Americans lurking at the Democratic Party, not fellow Americans believing in that Party as a whole. Our enemies from abroad are also doing share to destroy us, because of our brand… the brand of our incumbent President. CODEPINK and MOVEON didn’t come from the Dems. ACORN’s style is not inherently Democrats’ strategy.
Sometime in July, I was scolded by someone here at RS that communists and socialists are already “taboos” and use “far left” instead. It was the courageous Joe the Plumber who unabashed used the word socialist. That’s our problem. Conservatives are afraid to call a spade a spade eventhough at the back of our minds, we know it.
We have been blindsided since 2005 for being too proud to call other than “exceptional” and “Americans”. We can’t accept that some of us are no longer “exceptiona” and sadly some of us are already “Anti-Americans”.
Look at the term “bailout”. What a word! It’s actually “government control”. Once you guarantee or your lend money to a corporation, you become an automatic shareholder to that corporation. But no! We join the Democrats and the Democrat-controlled Bush to call it call it “bailout”, trying to evade that fact that we are already one-step close to socialism.
We should have seen it coming after Bush won the presidency in 2004. Sadly, Bush didn’t do anything to save the party that put him into the WH twice in a row.
There are “unseen” forces that the conservatives and the McCain campaign have virtually ignored. Ironically, it’s the “inexperienced” Lady from Alaska who has been more vocal, candid and knowledgeable to these things than our main Candidate.
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olsmithie Wednesday, November 5th at 8:04PM EST (link)Absolutely, Sir.
Never stop proclaiming that message. It is the only one that will allow the country to recover.
Best Regards
Absolutely true, Zoot.
seattle_ite Thursday, November 6th at 5:42AM EST (link)Reagan would be spittin’ mad at this economy. (I dropped my ‘G’; will Noonan spank me???)
Had roughly the same epiphany reading Orwell
seattle_ite Thursday, November 6th at 5:44AM EST (link)‘Animal Farm’ & ‘1984′ scared the liberal right out of me, at 13.
Not to nag, Rod.
seattle_ite Thursday, November 6th at 5:49AM EST (link)But Niki K explicitly stated that the aim of the Soviet, was to bring down America from within. Kinda the same way that ME Terrorists do. Showing my age with that statement, but had to be said.
Bush has done some things right.
c17wife Thursday, November 6th at 6:14AM EST (link)First thing that comes to mind is this-
While Barack Obama will probably appoint 2 justices to the court, we have a Cheif Justice with a spine of steel in John Roberts and we havea brilliant, non-apologetic conservative thinker in Samuel Alito. Those two, along with Thomas and Scalia, will hold the line for at least the next two years.
And, despite all the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments over this war, historically it has gone well. And we have dodged any major attack on our soil for 7 years.
Both are huge accomplishments that deserve to be recognized.
Duty is ours, outcomes belong to God.~Mike Pence