First of all, for the record, I think what David Letterman’s comments about Sarah Palin and her daughter was neither funny nor appropriate. Furthermore, he should be justly condemned and his sponsors boycotted. On this, I agree with a good many people here.
But what I think is silly (and sorry for the harsh word but the best word I can think of is “silly”) that somehow conservatives will gain benefit or political capital from this episode. For those who think otherwise, can someone please explain to me, How?
And seriously, would his comments have been any less tasteless if they were made against Michelle Obama and her daughters?
Hopefully, I trust the members of this forum would be as outraged if such “jokes” were made about them. Indeed, I do believe that most members of this forum would be outraged if such “jokes” were made about Michelle Obama and his daughters: despite our feelings about Michelle Obama and her husband.
(And trust me, some of the anti-Obama and anti-Michelle postings my wife would see during the campaign on “Southern heritage” conservative listservs she belonged to rivaled Letterman’s “joke” about Sarah Palin. So yes, things like that do happen from our side, too.)
The thing is, us thinking we can gain political capital from this makes even less sense than liberals who think they can gain political capital from going after Rush Limbaugh. Both are entertainers, not politicians: at least Limbaugh is considered a “political” entertainer. We will write front page stories about how silly it is for liberals to burn so many cycles going after Limbaugh but we don’t seem to recognize that it is at least as silly for us to burn so many cycles going after Letterman. Unless David Letterman himself decides to run for political office, most people couldn’t give a rat’s arse about his political leanings. They simply look at this and say that it was a tasteless comment by an entertainer. Meanwhile, Obama and the Democrats (and a few Republicans, too, but that is probably a different subject) go about their merry business destroying America’s constitution, economy and our place in the world. Some of us seem more upset Letterman’s joke than they are about that.
Yes, we need to defend “our own” but on this one, even NOW condemns Letterman’s comments. We can be putting our time and energy into better and more politically profitable endeavors.
So can we just decide to boycott David Letterman and his sponsors and get on with the business of presenting and fighting for a conservative alternative to what’s going on in this country?

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Moe Lane Monday, June 15th at 3:18PM EDT (link)Seriously.
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Plus, whether we "think" this will win us votes or not really doesn't matter
Mike gamecock DeVine Monday, June 15th at 4:38PM EDT (link)Zoot is for fighting back on the merits, so I don’t get his point unless it is merely an academic exercise, which I don’t necessarily oppose.
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Thank you, gamecock, seriously!
ZootSuit Tuesday, June 16th at 9:56AM EDT (link)I am for fighting back on the merits.
I am also for boycotting David Letterman and whatnot.
However, I do not think those two things above are the same and my fear is that many people here and within the Republican Party are confusing the two. Some people seem to think that outrage against David Letterman and the way the media treats conservatives generally is the path towards the resurgence of conservative principles in this country but I just don’t see it.
For example, let’s just say that we get our wish and David Letterman loses his audience and is off the air. Okay, then what?
How would David Letterman being off the air — which again, I am okay with — further conservative principles?
Seriously, I want to know. Because just about every response seems to be arguing that we should “fight back” — which again, I agree with — instead of answering the question I am posing about how this will further conservatism.
Yes, I am for fighting back — hey, at the risk of playing my “race card” here I will say that you cannot become and remain a Black conservative for nearly twenty years now without fighting back — but the idea that some people here seem to have that this is or can be a means of building our party is ridiculous.
Read some of the diaries and threads on RedState about David Letterman. Many (most even) express outrage at the crudity of Letterman’s joke: I agree with them. But some seem to express the idea that conservatives and/or Republicans can and/or should gain some sort of political capital from it: I think this latter idea is silly.
Busy day today …
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Yes, Zoot, you can stay home like you did in November.
janis Monday, June 15th at 3:23PM EDT (link)That worked out well, too, didn’t it?
Actually, janis, it did work out very well
ZootSuit Monday, June 15th at 3:48PM EDT (link)I am a conservative, not a Republican. I am beginning to fear that the two are mutually exclusive.
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So very glad it worked out for you personally.
janis Monday, June 15th at 6:26PM EDT (link)As to the rest of us and this country? Well, as long as as it worked out for you……
It isn't a question of changing votes
AKSteveB Monday, June 15th at 3:29PM EDT (link)It is about pointing out a double standard. I believe that yes, we would be just as vocal about a tasteless joke involving Pres. Obama’s kids.
Hell is other people - Sartre
AKSteveB, I hate to say this but, we agree!
ZootSuit Monday, June 15th at 3:39PM EDT (link)I think that Letterman’s “joke” (and his “apology,” for that matter) were tasteless and that he should be publicly reprimanded for them.
My thing is, I think comments and arguments like the front page diary Misogynistic attacks are opening some liberal women’s eyes are silly and ultimately counterproductive. I am sorry but I just don’t see how this is an argument in support of conservatism.
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6eorge Jetson Monday, June 15th at 4:56PM EDT (link)forcing them to acknowledge the obvious.
There, I fixed it
Hurting Letterman in the pocket won’t change any votes directly, but it will result in some modicum of hesitancy from the left in the future.
Just like Ahmadinejad & Jong-il have zero fear of an Obama response, so do lefties have zero fear of any repurcussions of outrageous statements.
We have to punch back.
No We Shouldn't
IJB Monday, June 15th at 4:08PM EDT (link)As we’ve already seen, no one on the Left condemns jokes that demeans conservatives, Republicans, Catholics, whites, men, etc.
So don’t expect me (and many like me) to make even a peep if someone says something terrible about someone on the Left, or their families, or their friends, etc. (This is why I’m actually a fan of Ann Coulter.)
That ship has sailed. If those on the Left want to seriously discuss returning civility to the world, then we’ll talk.
But as I don’t here anyone on the other side of the ditch proposing such a thing, the only thing I want to see them get from our side is the same kind unrestrained words from our side.
Spare them no quarter.
Zoot, I agree that it doesn't change minds or votes
Achance Monday, June 15th at 4:10PM EDT (link)out there in the masses. What I think it does do, if done effectively is make the Lefties think first before doing it. Waay back when I was young, dumb, and working for the unions, my mentor was an old-time trade unionist of the sort they don’t make any more. His directive, driven into all of us by his fists if necessary, was, “Before they do anything, make sure they have to think about what you’ll do about it.” Years later I used that same principle in representing the employer.
If every time one of these lefty smartasses thinks of opening his mouth, s/he has to think about consequences, they’ll open their mouths less frequently and more carefully. The key, of course, is that you have to effectively leave a mark on them. That fool on Fox this morning trying to hype the Fire Letterman rally in NY just rewards the Lettermans of the World; it gets him attention and ratings and all his cool friends just love his being attacked by a guy who obviously has more enthusiasm than skill or sense. We on the right really don’t have a lot of people with the advocacy skiills to go toe to toe on this stuff. First, it ain’t our style. Second, most on the right don’t like those of us whose style it is very much; I can make a room full of Republicans go quiet quicker than a room full of Democrats. Republicans don’t like controversy and don’t like people, especially other Republicans, who cause or are even involved in controversy. Until Republican leaders get over that, Republcans are going to be punching bags for the Left.
In Vino Veritas
Not standing up for oneself can and has LOST Republicans' votes
Mike gamecock DeVine Monday, June 15th at 4:35PM EDT (link)Courage is a virtue. Cowardice is a vice.
And many Reagan Democrats, whose default position is democrat when they see no big differences on issues affecting them directly, do seem to gravitate more to conservative republicans in the Reagan mode vs the passive new tone Bush mode.
Plus, I think some democrat women could well decide to support Palin if they see her as a victim akin to themselves.
fwiw Zoot
and I agree with Achance’s points as well
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On this gamecock, we disagree
ZootSuit Tuesday, June 16th at 10:28AM EDT (link)There are at least two things very wrong with your quote above:
1) It just doesn’t work. Period. We can argue as to whether or not Sarah Palin was a net plus or minus to the McCain/Palin ticket but one thing is beyond dispute: Sarah Palin did not draw moderate and liberal Democratic women voters to the Republican ticket. Conservative and Republican women voters, yes. But not the moderate and liberal ones. PUMA (and our hopes that it would be of any effect or consequence) proved to be a chimera.
And please note, the failing was not with Sarah Palin. The failing was/is a belief that this “sympathy” or “victim” vote is of any consequence. Republicans — and more importantly, conservatives — fail when we try to rely upon it.
2) Appealing to a “sympathy” or “victim” vote is simply not conservative. Indeed, I would argue that it is fundamentally liberal and that any appeal and reliance upon it will inevitably pull this party (and consequently, this country) further to the Left. As a former liberal Democrat (like you), I would even go so far to say that appealing to the “sympathy” and “victim” vote is what transformed the Democratic Party from a liberal party (whose many past positions I would still now oppose) to the travesty that it is today. Remember, Bill Clinton “felt our pain” (”sympathy”).
Moreover, appealing to that “sympathy” or “victim” vote is a core reason why the Republican Party has recently taken such a turn to the Left. Remember, George W. Bush thought “when people hurt, the government must act” (”victim”).
Actually gamecock, you’re highlighting the reasons why I wrote this diary.
But today I must get back to work …
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Zoot, sorry you are not on board. I got your point
Doc Holliday Monday, June 15th at 4:28PM EDT (link)in the fiirst few paragraphs and skimmed the rest. I probably should not mention that, but let’s all be honest, many long posts give up 98 percent of the point in the beginning. And so know one goes after this honestly, i have now read the whole thing and my response won’t change an iota.
We are openly and I hope regularly pressuring Letterman not to change votes but to shame him. If we allow his dehumanizing Nazi tactics to go one without a response, then we are de facto endorsing them. You say it is ok to boycott him, but not to keep mentioning it. Why on earth is that? How does that make sense? A quiet boycott is not a boycott at all.
Sir, your comparison of what Letterman and others in the drive by media to fringe racist elements on the web does not hold water. The point we are trying to make is that it is not ok for it to be mainstream to dehumanize this woman and her kids. And if you think this is not hurting Letterman with a major element of our society you sir are mistaken. Most Americans are not into politics, they are into popular culture. We are fighting Letterman in that arena.
You ask if we would be upset if the mainstream media attacked Obama’s kids and wife. This is a supposition that would never happen, that is the point, it would never happen. It is only ok to attack conservatives; if they are conservative they are fair game, white, black, elderly, or minors. We plan on fighting this malignancy in our weakened culture, and no one is going to talk us out of it.
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What about
molybdanthan Monday, June 15th at 4:49PM EDT (link)Baby Tess, and William Long, who’s deaths go largely unknown; or atomic detonations in North Korea and eventually Iran; the political intrigue overtaking Washington, with the government’s takeover of major industry, and its plan to claim another 1/5th of the entire economy through health care; the Green Wile of Globalist energy peddlers; the growing list of generally stupid decisions, like giving Letterman a show, O a working teleprompter, or Sotomayor another gavel. Can we vote on any of that?
These are some of the people, events and defining issues occurring today. We can’t vote on them. So let’s at least mention them in passing, keep them from being brushed aside.
Time to Lead a boycott of all the sponsors of Letterman's show
DavidS1787 Monday, June 15th at 5:16PM EDT (link)n/t
Zoot: Jim Talent would beg to differ.
Martin Knight Monday, June 15th at 7:55PM EDT (link)In 2006, Rush Limbaugh criticized an ad Michael J. Fox cut for Claire McCaskill. It was, of course, immediately latched on to by the Democrats and their allies in the media as Rush attacking a sick man, and Jim Talent all of a sudden found himself having to answer for something Limbaugh said. He was hit below the waterline, and he lost.
And second, your question as to whether this is going to lead in a change of political philosophy ignores the fact that most of the so-called middle have no political philosophy. They go with the flow, they vote for the “nicer” guy, or the guy/gal their neighbor is voting for, they vote for the guy they think is getting a bum deal.
But ultimately, this is about teaching liberals that they can’t attack Conservatives with impunity and expect to get away with it with nary a scratch. In case you haven’t noticed, the rules are different when it comes to Republicans.
Liberal Democrat media figures don’t just go after Republican elected officials and candidates, they go after their families, including minor children.
The New York Times tried to harm John Roberts’ nomination to the SCOTUS by going after his kids’ adoption records. Jack Ryan, Obama’s original Senate opponent had his 10 year old child’s custody records unsealed against his and his ex-wife’s wishes by the Chicago Tribune.
The Press happily plastered pictures of the Bush twins all over broadcast and print. Bristol Palin was being stalked by paparazzi as she went to school last year during the campaign.
On the other hand, you probably have never heard of Al Gore’s son’s multiple DUIs. Or much in the Press about Joe Biden’s adult daughter’s video-taped cocaine habit.
One of the reasons why so many Republicans fail to live up to the principles they claim to hold, is the fact that they know this and they’re afraid. They know that their children’s school disciplinary records, their wife’s medical records, or their credit reports can easily find their way to the front page of the local paper and end up being the butt of jokes.
This has to stop.
David Letterman is just the beginning.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it.
- Margaret Thatcher
NOTE: “consensus” = “Bipartisanship™”/”Centrism™”
Letterman made Palin a victim
Maggie_in_Indiana Tuesday, June 16th at 10:18AM EDT (link)Hoorah for us! The left loves victims and America loves the underdog. Regardless of Palin’s politics, most mad mothers and alpha male dads will jump to her defense,don’t think this will be forgotten. Dave is worried and the liberals just want the story to die. We should beat it like a drum till at least the end of this week.
Nancy Pelosi lied like a rug and the story died after she refused to comment,Dave is still talking about it,we must use it.
Maggie in Indiana