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Questions That Every Cain Supporter Needs to Answer Honestly

By: zsmv f6 (Diary)  |  November 1st, 2011 at 12:06 AM  | 

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Please note: I’m wanting rational thought, not Perry-bashing. I know that you all aren’t heartless; prove you’re not headless as well.

1) Why will Herman Cain not endorse Rick Perry against Obama, even when Mitt Romney will endorse the GOP nominee?

2) Why can’t Herman Cain give a clear answer on anything (despite his no BS clarity?

- Abortion (yes, I know he’s pro-life, but why not say it in the first place?)
- (non) sex scandal (why be so evasive)
-Gitmo
- 2nd Amendment is a states’ issue

3) Why did Herman Cain play the race/victim card on Rick Perry?

AMANPOUR: On the front page of the Washington Post today, there’s a story about Rick Perry…

CAIN: Yes.

AMANPOUR: … and a hunting lodge that belonged to his family, bought in the 1980s. And on a rock apparently near the entrance there, there is a word that is a very ugly racial word, a slur.

CAIN: Yes.

AMANPOUR: And it’s been — it’s been painted over. But the report raises questions about whether this rock, this stone, with that word on it, was still on display even quite recently in the last several years. What is your reaction to that?

CAIN: My reaction is that is very insensitive. There are some words that do not basically inspire the kind of negativity like that particular word. And I know that you’re refraining from saying that word, so I’m going to say what the word was on the rock. The name of the place was called “N****head.” That is very insensitive.

And since Governor Perry has been going there for years to hunt, I think that it shows a lack of sensitivity for a long time of not taking that word off of that rock and renaming the place. It’s just basically a case of insensitivity.

AMANPOUR: It was painted over.

CAIN: Yes. It was painted over. But how long ago was it painted over? So I’m still saying that it is a sign of insensitivity.

Bonus question: What does Herman Cain have against Rick Perry in general?

4) If Herman Cain was a Democrat, and he said these things, what would your reaction be?

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  • DocJohn

    1. Of course, Cain should “know his place”, and immediately drop out of a race he is WINNING at the moment, and endorse “massa” Perry.

    2. In case you haven’t noticed, Mr. Cain hasn’t learned “politician-speak” (ie lie, promise, lie some more, evade, lie again, answer a different question that the focus group liked better, bigger lie, inflate your grammer school voting record, deny, Deny, DENY!), and I hope he never does. Mr. Cain actually tries to honestly answer all questions put to him … even the loaded ones from the socialist propaganda arm of the BHO regime, the “Lame Street Media”.

    3. First, allow me to rephrase the question that commie, dyke bitch REALLY wanted to ask: “Wassup, Bro? How can a grown “buck” like yo hang out wif all dem raaaaaaaccciiiiiiiiissssstttttt, homophobic mofos like Perry?” Cain’s answer? As usual, it was honest and to the point. The word IS insensitive at best, and Perry never did adequately explain why the place couldn’t be renamed instead of just painting over the word. Surely the governor would have some influence to get that done?

    4. This question is moot for several reasons. The socialist media doesn’t race-bait one of their own, for one. And for another, Herman Cain isn’t, has never been, nor ever could be mistaken for a member of the socialist/democrat party – unlike a certain Texas governor.

    That honest enough for you?

    Some free, unsolicited advice: (STOP HERE if you can’t take it.)

    Perry’s “attack any republican in his way” strategy is NOT WORKING. It may be too late, but Perry needs to be pointing that war chest at the TRUE enemy. To begin with, he NEEDS to utterly and completely repudiate that treasonous algore and everything he stands for. He should admit he was taken in by that lying bastard’s anti-american agenda and that “man-made global warming/cooling(30 yrs ago)” is an outright hoax and a scam to
    destroy American capitalism. Good God, if you remove CO2 from the mix, this is a dead planet! All animal and plant life, gone. By the way, that “hole in the ozone layer” that was going to bring on the next ice age? Algore’s first big lie/hoax… and its in my daughter’s science book as FACT! This has to stop.

  • avgjo

    1. Nice play of the race card. Of course, given your support of a man who played the race card against an innocent person, I shouldn’t be surprised.

    2. You’re right; Cain doesn’t speak politician. He tries, but he’s not smooth. His crawfishing on his various gaffes is always accompanied by claims of misrepresentation, having been taken out of context, that his opponent is lying or that he was joking. He doesn’t speak politician because he can’t. I am a math major, and I know a number of mathematicians, and I have never met one who is as sloppy with language as Cain is.

    3. Perry and his family painted over the word as soon as they leased it, id est as soon as they had the legal right to do it. That name was changed long before, as even the HuffPo admits:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/03/texas-governor-rick-perry_n_992712.html

    Of course, Herman the Gaffetastic wasn’t going to let an opportunity to put his foot in his mouth pass him by.

    4. Herman Cain’s apparent inability to unambiguously state his position on abortion, his play of the race card and his apparent tendency toward prevarication sure looks liberal.

    5. Some free, unsolicited advice:

    be careful with your language (‘b*tch’ above). Also, Perry has not adhered to AGW; he has dismissed it as being based on faulty ‘science’.

    Herman Cain is our side’s BHO (no experience, talks out of both sides of his mouth, sloganeering and a blank canvas for misguided people to project their hopes and dreams upon) and I fear that his blind followers will help consign this country to a dark fate as BHO is reelected, as they put Cain into the nomination and he crashes and burns on the national stage.

  • Doc Holliday

    When you are supporting a guy who can barely finish a sentence in a debate. The reason why Perry makes fewer gaffes, is that no one knows what he is saying in the first place.

    We as conservatives swore we would never have another GWB. Now we get out chance and we go back to a Texas governor, but one without W’s charisma, and oratory skills. No one finds that a bit funny?

    and these lies many Perry bots are saying about Cain on the 2A are just not going to fly. Ever check my sig line? I haven’t changed it for six years now, I see no reason to change an essential truth.

    Cain clearly supports the Second Amendment and people’s rights to defend themselves and their families. Those who are only motivated by the desire to ruin Cain, in order to give Perry a free shot even he can screw up are passing bogus information to their so called friends at this site.

    You guys take that one clip where Cain emphasized the right of the states to handle gun laws and turn that into a negative. I am positive his point was the feds should not infringe on our rights, he was pushing the right of the states, just like abortion opponents do.

    Here is Cain on gun control, try to spin this.

    hat tip to RWM for posting this, if you don’t like watching Cain speak, foward to 3.30 into the video.

    http://www.redstate.com/tngal/2011/10/31/the-stand-by-your-man-pro-cain-piece/#comment-355

  • avgjo

    I respect you and I will merely respond:

    I lean towards Gingrich right now. Perry is the other. But this post is not a rabid reaction to someone attacking Perry. It is a response to a rabid post by a Cainiac.

    I actually haven’t seen the one re: Cain and gun control. Neither did I mention it. So I am not a ‘Perrybot’ attacking Cain on the ’2A’. Sorry.

    Sure Perry misspeaks, but the gaffes of Cain are, to my mind, of a more serious nature (also, I speak, read and write several languages, so I have a fair grasp of what constitutes comprehensible and incomprehensible discourse and I must say, I find most of what Perry says to be comprehensible. My biggest peeves with his exposition are with its rhetorical aspects, as when he ceaselessly refers to Texas or dodges the occasional question.) While Perry flubs his syntax from time to time, Cain seems to switch positions, try to straddle issues and even lie.

  • bzip

    Do you realize how backwards this is? You claim Perry can?t debate and nobody can understand him. Okay fine. But in the same thread you want to down play the fact Cain can?t even make his position clear on the 2nd amendment (as well as other positions). So what we have is a guy that can?t debate well (Perry) and a guy who can?t keep his message on his positions straight in various interviews (Cain).

    Yet you want to give Cain a pass on his ever evolving positions, gaffes and lousy interview skills but hammer away at Perry for his lousy debating skills ? that sure make sense.

  • Doc Holliday

    and that is fair criticism. Cain has spoken lightheatedly about some subjects and then he had to “clarify” lol. My shots at Perry are not personal, they are a response to an onslaught like I have never seen here. It is fine people support Perry, but don’t come into a new house a stink up the joint. Talk to us like people, many of whom respond better to other candidates, and we will treat them better. When I see someone come hear and slash and burn for their candidate, none of whom are a Reagan or Goldwater, I wonder if they are doing this for their man, or for themselves. And I wonder if they are actually trying to influence people here, or just annoy them.

    Cain has flaws, Perry has flaws, even Gingrich has flaws. But people like you and me want the best man to win, we want to put our best guy up against the Obama Chicago machine. I know that, and I am always open to seriously discussing the issues with you.

  • avgjo

    I’ll be honest with you: I have tried hard to keep my criticism of Cain limited to the issues with Cain himself. There are a lot of people here whom I respect that support him. (I say this in sincerity) If I have talked to anyone disrespectfully, I apologize. Frankly, it got my blood boiling when I saw the above poster make the racially charged comments. I hope I didn’t cross any lines in my response.

    Yeah, at the end of the day I want BO out. And I will vote for Cain if needed.

    Have a good morning. Sign off time.

  • Doc Holliday

    I watched the “offending” Cain clip on 2a and jsut interpreted in in the context I perceive. I saw Cain defending the 2A and when asked if states should make their own laws, he said yes they should. I can see where someone might think he was defending lefty states like California and Illinois, but I truly believe his point was that the feds should not infringe on our rights.

    It is not like the states have no say in this. Many states had decided the 2A was about personal protection and they put in in their own state constitutions. Many states are way ahead of the feds on 2A rights. You can’t carry on federal property, other than national parks, another thing that was pushed by the states.

    I believe Cain’s own body of work discussing the 2A makes it clear he is a supporter of our freedoms. If others feel differently, they have that right. But I stake my reputation as a life long 2A advocate in saying I believe Cain is with us on this issue.

    And lastly, I am not giving anyone a pass. If I held other candidates to a standard I don’t hold Cain, I would be intellectually dishonest. I like Cain and think he might be the one, I respond to him in a way I don’t for Perry at this juncture. But I can honestly say I hope Perry improves, I hope they all improve, we need our best man on this job, the general is no joke, we need to put our best forward. I have criticized some people as Perrybots because they come off as interested in one thing only, Perry. It makes me think some wont even be around t these parts if Perry does not win. But I am quite willing and happy to support Perry with all i’ve got if he is our nominee. I am even open to voting for him in the primary if I think he is the best man for the job.

  • Doc Holliday

    and in that spirit, I apologize as well to anyone who I have offended. We are on the same team here, I want us on the same team. I can’t wait ’til we are all excite d about the same thing, taking down Obama, Reid, and Pelosi.

    take care

  • http://michigantaxes.com/wordpress/ Jason Gillman

    There isn’t a candidate out there without some form of foibles.

    Cain’s ‘popularity’ is as a result of his no BS, anti PC positions. The gaffs one makes when on 24/7 are amplified by the cycle which sells gaffs as news. People who don’t matter are seen less, even though they might be even more prone to screw up.

    Cain’s no BS/PC positions have put him in the lead because so many desire a no BS/PC type of president, bootstraps and all.

    God Bless the man for being willing to take the abuse that comes from both sides for the sake of our country.

  • bzip

    For Cain it?s more than just the second amendment message flap. Could we at least agree that Cain has had prior problems in articulating his message i.e. abortion flap, GITMO flap, etc.

    If we can agree that both Cain and Perry have deficiencies in communication i.e. Perry can?t debate well, Cain can?t articulate his message very well in interviews than we have accomplished a great deal. Do interviews and debates matter for the general, off course they so both Cain and Perry have a problem.

    Can interviewing skills and debate skills improve ? off course they can. If you can see that and agree with that then neither of these issues (debating skills and interviewing skills) should be a deal breaker at least in my mind.

    We then try and get at the root of the issue ? what is your criteria for the next POTUS?

    I know this is going to differ from person to person but my guess is there is only going to be a few items and to a degree it will boil down to how much emphases you place on each item of criteria.

    Coming from a Perry supporter I place at the top of my list:
    Experience: Experience working within the framework of government to governing.
    Consistent Conservative Values that can be verified via a governing record.
    The candidate should have the ability to win in the general election.
    Some kind of confidence and connection to the candidate. I don?t feel it necessary to have big emphases on ?connecting? with a candidate that is more for a spouse, friend, and preacher kind of relationship in my opinion.

    Now if the Cain supporters can at least acknowledge that those are valid items for a lit of criteria than maybe we have made huge progress in understanding things.

    Know I am trying very hard to understand what the criteria is that Cain supporters are using. I just can?t seem to get any answers to this.

    What is the crietia that Cain supporters are using? I think that is a honest question to ask?

    I have heard pro?s and con?s about not being a politician and it being a good thing ? well that is worth debating. If you look at how bad the economy is, how bad the country is I ask ? in the general election is taking the populist stand of not wanting a politician a winning strategy?

    If we look at Cain?s proposals as a means to try and see where he is coming from I suppose we could get in a debate over it but surely I would hope everyone would agree there are problems with his proposals (and the other candidate?s proposal too but at least they have a prior record to look at).

    This is why I keep coming back to these questions and nobody wants to answer them. They are straight forward questions and if you hope to win the general election I would hope you would want to answer them. I think these are honest questions to be ask:

    For a guy who has never held elected office, has no governing experience could someone please explain to me why I should vote for Cain over someone that has 10 years of consistent conservative governing experience like Rick Perry?

    Why should we possible endanger our country electing a guy that has no experience, no record to look back and see how he would govern?

  • tngal

    nicely done.

  • tngal

    may be a bit outabounds. Hey I’m your side. I Like Cain. Not a fan of Amanpour. Just friendly advice we don’t call people dyk-(er)-bit.,. Well we try not to call em commies.

  • explodinghead

    Okay, I’m just tired of Cainiacs turning every bad Cain moment into an attack on Perry. I don’t know if Perry can comeback in the polls, but I’ll tell you this much trying to change the subject when Cain opens his mouth and sticks his foot in it, by blaming Perry or his supporters is turning me off Cain.
    Also, I find something inherently arrogant in Cains persona, that I just don’t like. He uses the “I’m not a politician schtick” to cover for all his gaffes and the guy is the biggest politican out there. This guy who says he’s not a politician, ran for the senate (lost) and talked about running for the Presidency back in 2000. Just because you don’t win doesn’t mean you’re not a politician.
    I am so over the hystrionics of the Cainiacs now, I’m done. I gave Cain a good look coming out of the box, I liked him, but then Cain antagonized Perry supporters by saying he would not support Perry as the GOP nominee, but would support Romney. At the time the fact that he would rule out any GOP nominee against Obama threw up a huge warning flag for me, that this guy was all about his own ego He alienated a large chunk of primary voters unnecessarily.

    Whether or not he harrassed those employees, the fact that he has had years to come up with a response and 10 days specifically to get his stuff together and failed to, shows me he’s arrogant enough to believe he could wing his way out of trouble with his marvelous speaking abilities and/or his campaign manager doesn’t have the first notion how to deal with the attacks form the Left..
    I know Doc Holliday and the rest of the Cainiacs will have a field day attacking my post, but have at it, I am really sick of you attacking every comment against Cain as Perry-bots and then turning around and acting like Cainiacs yourselves. Pot meet kettle. Enjoy slamming me, I’m done listening.

  • circlegranch

    Cain has become an expert at sucking the oxygen out of everybody’s campaign and he does it with gaffe’s and trying to be a comedian on every subject. This is not what I want in a prez.

  • bzip

    Personally as a Perry supporter I wasn’t too happy about this. Perry gave a great interview with Chris Wallace on Sunday and has released yet another really good positive ad in Iowa

    But instead of talking about Perry’s stuff or any of the other candidates for that matter we are stuck with Cain’s gaffes and creditability issues.

    Sio no, its not like we enjoy this stuff.

  • tyman

    As I’ve said over and over, I was excited that Cain got in the race. But, I soon realized that he lacked some necessary things.

    The “I’m not a politician” schtick really got old with me as well. I made the same assessment of Romney: they would both be career politicians if they had successfully gotten elected.

    I was prepared to support Cain should Perry get out, etc., but after the swipe he took at Perry and joining with Mitt has really made my support for Perry get that much more solid.

    If Herb wants to sell more books and increase his speaking fees, fine. Just don’t do it under the guise of running for president at a time when real conservative leadership is so badly needed.

    If Cain mishandled a crisis as this, where he knew 10 days in advance to get his ducks in a row, I don’t think I want him in The White House for on the job training.

  • wacowboy

    I know it can be hard to answer legitimate questions and concerns about your preferred candidate. But I’m interested to hear how some Cain supporters answer these. I’d like to know what the thought process is.

    I was this close to jumping on the Cain train, and then he pretty much said he would support anyone but Perry, wouldn’t be his VP, but would support Romney. Baffling to say the least.

    That’s when I became the full on Perry-bot that I am now.

    Bottom line — if Cain wins the nomination I’ll enthusiastically support him, much more so than Romney. I just don’t feel he’s the best choice.

  • Scope

    Totally agree.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    Proof-Positive:

    Go to http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/10/31/the-herman-cain-allegations/#comment-139280.

    Then note how his attack on me was disproven…and then he grew silent all-of-a-sudden.

    Start reading @

    Why did Cain leave the RNC in June of 99?
    ihavehadit Monday, October 31st at 10:51PM EDT

  • lineholder

    Sorry, but Doc’s not a troll. He’s closer to a permanent fixture at RS than the majority of us can claim. He has his own unique way of looking at things. You may not agree with his viewpoint and he may not agree with yours…but you can pretty well count on it that you’ll know exactly where’s coming from 99% of the time, because he’ll tell you!

  • avgjo

    we are at odds, opinion-wise. You will see in my response to Doc Holliday’s comment I was sure to mention my respect for him. As lineholder said, he is a fixture here. I have disagreed with him heartily on this Cain issue, but his sights are aimed in the right direction (getting Obama out of office), even if we disagree on Mr. Cain.

    And one of the reasons I respect him is what lineholder referred to: you know where he stands. Already, I know the same is true of you. I am only telling you this because I gather that you’re fairly new to the place, and I wanted to tell you a little more about Doc Holliday.

  • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

    …echoing lineholder and avgjo along with my knowledge of Doc’s history here.

    Bigger point to Dr. Bob and anyone else reading this: it’s not a productive activity to try to “diagnose” trolling – it distracts from discussion, inviting people instead to read entrails, and often sets off arguments, where everyone loses.

    That is, if a person is a troll, then diverting a discussion into a hunting expedition is success for trolling. And if the person is not a troll, then you’ve maligned someone and perhaps may drive them away as well as poisoning the thread. Either way, lose-lose.

    Trolling does out itself over time, and management knows what to do when it become evident.

  • rightwingmom52

    who knows Doc’s not a troll. Further, just because I am pro-Cain does not mean I am anti-Perry, and if he’s the nominee, I will work for him and vote for him. Doc’s pretty clear in his comments above that he will do so as well.

    Will those who don’t support Cain vote for him if he’s the nominee? I don’t know because I’ve seen some comments lately that lead me to believe otherwise. Comments that include phrases like “never vote for…”