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By: zsmv f6 (Diary)  |  November 12th, 2011 at 07:11 PM  | 

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For those who are watching the GOP Primary CBS debate….

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  • cheetah2

    TY for having this!

  • Scope

    n/t

  • Xasteius

    no text

  • papabear

    But what the hell is up with Paul’s freaky died eyebrows? Especially the right one that looks like a map of a country??

  • papabear

    Why the hell is he OK with Iran having nukes??

  • papabear

    Then follows up by wasting time with his boasts about how wonderful he has been.

  • cheetah2

    Gingich agrees with Perry

  • papabear

    Pakistan should not get a D@#^ penny w/o significant commitments to the US.

  • papabear

    They both have it correct – no automatic aid. It must be earned.

  • bzip

    So far Perry is batting a 100, he is doing very well.

    He made a great point with the foreign aid :-) . He has changed the direction of the conversation for the better with his limiting the aid.

    He also made a great point about Iran earlier about freezing all their money.

    Good for Perry.

  • cheetah2

    big bold ideas.

  • papabear

    Tells us that we need to send money to Pakistan because they have nukes???

    By that logic, we should be giving tons of aid to Russia (and China, N. Korea, etc.)

  • JSobieski

    Pakistan has nuclear weapons.

    If our foreign aid helps us (1) keep tabs on those weapons or (2) makes it less likely that the weapons end up in even worse hands—the foreign aid may still make sense.

    I support Perry and find Bachmann to be impractical in what she says (House members like Bachmann and Paul can sound good because their actions as legislators means little), however Bachmann has a point about Pakistan.

    Nukes change everything. Even if we have only a mixed relationship with Pakistan, that relationship is better than our relationship with Iran.

    I think we should be tougher to demand more for our aid. Who knows what we get on the nuclear front?

  • changeforrickperry

    OK, that was too funny. Talk about giving the mods a hard time :D
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    “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

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  • papabear

    I know he probably prepped for it, but it was well played!!

  • avagreen

    ^^

  • papabear

    There is an absolute standard. War against the US must be treated differently then criminal conduct. If someone takes up arms against the US, they should expect to be killed.

  • Scope

    by many? How do you think about that now?

  • papabear

    nt

  • bzip

    Perry is doing really well, he is holding his own then some. Perry is very strong

    Newt is doing very well as usual, very strong and very knowledgeable

    To me it comes down to Newt and Perry.

  • pttx333

    b

  • Scope

    even with our government agencies. Yes yes yes.

  • Xasteius

    asdf

  • bzip

    Boy, Perry is coming on so strong and so powerful boy a real winner so far in the debate.

  • RealQuiet

    I thought Perry’s first two responses to questions he was presented in the debate were very strong. He through out some simple solutions that hasn’t been even talked about at all in Washington. Newt affirmed him as well regarding starting with $0 in foreign aid to every country and have them explain why we should give them aid. Use our foreign aid dollars to negotiate from a position of strength. How novel. Then Bachmann and Santorum follow up with conveying positions of weakness saying that by cutting off aid to Pakistan we would lose the relationship with them. Epic fail and their parts. Get committments from Pakistan first of what you want and go from there.

  • Xasteius

    qwer

  • RealQuiet

    Very encouraged by how Perry is performing tonight. I pray another brain fart doesn’t happen :)

  • Xasteius

    zxc

  • ripusa32110

    Since the Congress never declared WAR on radical Islam or Al-Qaeda it seems to me that it is scary and yes, dangerous for a small group of people in secret to issue a death sentence against any American and be carried out without a day in court. Even if we had declared war, there still should be some level of due process in a military tribunal. Why do you trust our government so much that even decisions made in the dark of night aren’t questioned.

  • RealQuiet

    n/t

  • papabear

    but he clearly does not prioritize foreign policy. Everybody saw signs of this in the past and it appears that nothing has changed.

    Perry and Newt are schooling the rest.

  • ripusa32110

    If Newt Gingrich is the nominee there will be a third party candidate and Obama will be re-elected. Gingrich is a the craziest candidate of the bunch and his futurist ideas he shares with Alvin Toffler should scare any sound minded American.

  • papabear

    Both CBS and National Journal feeds are stuttering horribly

  • Xasteius

    ghjk

  • tngal

    and the moderator….!! I think I got spoiled on the Lincoln Douglas format.

    I’m sending out Hedwig the owl… “and don’t come back till you’ve got decent length answers.”

    Ps…Waterboarding is fine by me.

  • Xasteius

    bnm

  • Xasteius

    123

  • Xasteius

    poi

  • avagreen

    Just lost the feed……..old NCIS episode replaced the debate…What the heck?

  • bzip

    Paul lost it.

    Perry pick it up and is shinning like no other. Boy, this is a Perry nobody has seen in the debates before.

    Its Perry win.

  • Xasteius

    []

  • ripusa32110

    Ron Paul is persona non grata on RedState but if any of you are fair minded you would think it is wrong for the candidates not to receive equal time. Actually, for all of you who fear a third party run from Rep. Paul, you should want him to be treated fairly or maybe all of his supporters will be so angry that there will be no way in Hades they will support any of the other republican candidates for president.

  • pttx333

    hg

  • Xasteius

    ()

  • RealQuiet

    And in an area I thought would be one of his weakest links. I am very pleasantly surprised.

  • cheetah2

    In my humble and extremely biased opinion.

  • papabear

    Both they and Paul are distinctly worse than Cain.

  • changeforrickperry

    What was that about reaching out to the Chinese teenagers? Something about the “internet generation?” Seriously, he reminds me of Barney Fife every time I see him. Anybody seen the Andy Griffith episodes when Barney goes into these long lectures? “Through our lives run many roads, smooth roads and bumpy roads, straight roads and curvy roads . . . ” He just doesn’t make any sense and tends to ramble . . . just like Jon Huntsman.
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  • changeforrickperry

    that humble and extremely biased opinion ;)
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    “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

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  • Xasteius

    ***

  • pttx333

    n

  • cheetah2

    that he would do well here. I know he has been preparing for this. His foreign policy plan is in the works. He has vision and it extends to his world view.

  • Xasteius

    nt

  • Xasteius

    ^^^^

  • Scope

    The Paulbots won’t support any other candidate in the GOP nomination anyway. So, now tell me, how is sleeping out in that tent with the OWS people going for you? I hear there is some TB going around in one of those hippie sit ins. I don’t think that Pot or Heroine is an antidote for TB. Go home.

  • texasroots

    It’s so disrespectful. I give Ron Paul credit for being there. I am a diehard Perry supporter, but believe Ron Paul should be treated with respect.

  • avagreen

    skips and is behind, but seems OK.
    Long time between answers.

  • Xasteius

    too bad.

  • pttx333

    eleventy-ninth OOPS of the day when I forgot to hit the reply button! ;-)

    Bottom line: YEE HAW we may be biased and opinionated, but we are TRUTHFUL!

  • papabear

    Although Paul has enough popularity that it would be difficult to eliminate him, I think it would be worth it to remove all of them.

    They are a waste of time!!!

  • Xasteius

    I mean no disrespect to Paul.

  • cheetah2

    my friend! we definitely see eye to eye here!

  • avagreen

    Too general……….all I get are lists of program.s

  • RealQuiet

    You can only do that so long before people realize that you’re trying to hide a weakness.

  • papabear

    My feed was stuttering :-(

    I’m hoping it will be posted on YouTube!!

    If anyone gets a link, please post it!!

  • Xasteius

    sorry

  • tngal

    Usually its 999, or the word “Obama”. I thought the plan was gong to be whenever the camera tuned into the moderator but everyone would’ve been drunk within the first 10 minutes ..so..there’s got to a different set of rules. Ya just hate to make up the rules for every single debate. Its getting ridiculous.

  • bzip

    I don’t care what anyone says it has been a Perry win followed by Newt.

    Winner:
    Perry, Newt then Romney and who knows.

  • Xasteius

    $$$

  • avagreen

    says stay tune for analysis?

    OMG! I missed almost the whole thing.

  • pttx333

    was hilarious! Then those old movies where he and Tim Conway (I think) would try to be bank robbers and stupid stuff. I still laugh about them. Great analogy there, change!

  • texasroots

    Did us proud! Thank you Jesus!
    Perry would be a great Commander-in-Chief

  • sandollar

    (Hi ChangeForPerry! Thank you for the welcome)

    Aside from Santorum (too unrealistic/ idealistic IMHO) @& Huntsman (well &Paul, who I just don’t agree with too often), everybody did really, really well.
    They got even with Newt for smacking the media. Rick Perry *was* on fire! I would vote for him to be the winner of this one.

    I wish they would give them more than a minute/ min & a half. Really good debate except for the moderators.

  • pttx333

    c

  • RealQuiet

    Waterboarding terrorists to save American lives until the day he dies. D*** straight.

  • RealQuiet

    Perry was the clear winner tonight. Though the CBS moderator cut off Perry quite early in his response to his last question of the night. Pelley is quite the jerk.

  • pttx333

    knocked it out of the ball park!! Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!!!

  • ripusa32110

    It is more likely Ron Paul runs as a third party candidate and anyone who isn’t pro war, pro waterboarding and pro assassination of Americans will follow him. Since I expect to get the heave ho from Redstate.com in the near future, I will follow Rep. Paul and support him for president.

  • sandollar

    No bias. He was!

  • cheetah2

    showed he is not ready to be Commander in Chief. Perry showed he is ready, because he already is one!

  • texasroots

    I know you are frustrated. I don’t like it either.

  • pttx333

    “radical” than that – I say if it will save one American life, and as long as they have a fingernail and/or toenail, game’s on! I’m tired of all of the morons and hand wringers who have run this country! War is Hell, but you fight to win, then win it and bring ‘em home! =

  • cheetah2

    joining our enemy against us loses you all your rights as a US citizen. It’s just got to be that way.

  • ripusa32110

    I remember a time when the United States had higher standards than supporting waterboarding. I guess what was good for the Spanish Inquistion is good enough for the U.S.A circa 2011.

  • bzip

    I thought Cain lost big time and it looks like Erick E. agrees:

    http://twitter.com/#!/ewerickson
    It is safe to say Herman Cain is the biggest loser tonight. What a damn shame. Just wow.

  • lastgopinillinois

    CBS station doesn’t play the last half hour of the debate.

  • gekster

    There isn’t a problem with that.
    The problem is with the RP supporters who go all out stupid.
    More than once they’ve been known to do that.

  • iidvbii

    For the last part of the debate…. Does anyone know if its posted online somewhere???

  • changeforrickperry

    So many prayers answered tonight! I’ve been praying that God would give us some kind of miracle, and HE DID! I was so proud of Governor Perry! He’s back in the game after this!
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    “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

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  • lucasblack

    This was a waste of a debate. Why did CBS want to have it if they were going to cut if off before it was done? No game changers other than Cain continues to show that he’s not ready to be president. Perry cleared his low bar, but has to do way more than that to come back. Newt won and Romney keeps going on cruise control.

  • cheetah2

    My very first time live blogging a debate. so much fun. and so extremely proud of Governor Perry!!!

  • gekster

    that all special forces go through waterboarding.
    It’s not torture.

  • pttx333

    Some folks just got all panicky and gave up on him. I never have and never will because I know character and quality when I see it!

  • bzip

    To me it shows Cain doesn’t have substance, if Cain can’t talk about 999 he is totally lost.

    He clearly showed he isn’t ready to lead this country.

  • texasroots

    I knew all along that Rick Perry had it in him. Not making any excuses for him, but he had only four debates in the last decade, vs. double that in the last month or so. Everyone stay positive.

  • Scope

    and now you call for him to run as a third party candidate. First, third parties are more than not supported here, and, secondly, Paul is widely known as a deeply disturbed loony kook.

  • changeforrickperry

    And yes, I agree about Perry being the winner. Erick Erickson should be VERY happy. He’s been saying that Perry HAD to win this one, and boy, he sure did.

    My take on the debate: Santorum showed his true colors as a huge neoconservative and Huntsman is Barney Fife 2.0. Foreign policy is not Ron Paul’s strong suit. Romney argued with the moderator too much and looked wooden compared to the upbeat, humorous Perry. Gingrich was good-natured and intelligent, as usual. Cain looked nervous. The tables were turned; he was the nervous one, Perry the confident one.

    All in all, I had a great time and I am rejoicing in God’s goodness!
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    “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

    www.changeforrickperry.org

  • pttx333

    Jump right in with both feet and make yourself at home! Glad to see you tonight.

  • cheetah2

    is going to be good at debating before this is all over with.

  • avagreen

    ….will continue to look. maybe it will be rebroadcast
    The d. analysis went just fine…….the debate was jumpy and behind!

  • lastgopinillinois

    http://www.cbsnews.com/2718-250_162-1335.html

  • avagreen

    **

  • Xasteius

    apparently not.

  • Scope

    Thank you Jesus. He did all of us proud, even if we don’t live in Texas.

  • pttx333

    through it to see what it involved. No, it isn’t torture – not even remotely.

  • tngal

    But that’s just just me. Oh, and CBS. Don’t know what was up with their feed and who they picked to do the moderating. Or did Obama pick the moderator? Hard to tell at some points. Cain supporters know his forte’. And since more people are focused on the economy this election …..

    Newt did well. As always. Perry was awake. Nice change. This may drop Mitt down a smidge.

    So how many hours until the NEXT debate? At his point i’m not using a calender,just a stopwatch.

  • Xasteius

    ####

  • avagreen

    :/

  • changeforrickperry

    My younger siblings love that movie! Talk about good, clean, old-fashioned humor. Too bad they don’t have Barney-like characters anymore on TV . . . no, I take that back, you see ‘em on GOP debates ;)
    ______________________________________________________________
    “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

    www.changeforrickperry.org

  • gracie

    I could not get the live stream to work either channel for 15 minutes.

    CBS commentators were next. Do you or anybosy know if the live stream will be repeated?

    Thanks!

  • windwaker24

    What happened?

  • iidvbii

    :P

  • ripusa32110

    I went to public schools and I’m not sure if you were complementing me or insulting me with that question.

  • texasroots

    Cain “pass”. Are you kidding me? That’s a new one for me.

  • bzip

    Yep, Perry a clear winner tonight. He came off really good.

    He changed the direction of the entire conversation with the “starting at zero” line. Even Newt and Romney like it.

    Perry was tops.

  • sandollar

    It was as natural as breathing. We were perplexed about we “had” to keep Paki as a friend (rots a ruck!)

    The downside: I wanted to hear *more* of what they had to say!

  • Scope

    words of spin. When you have nothing else to say, just spin as though you have something to say, even if your words mean nothing at all. Cain didn’t have a clue, but he tried to sound like he did.

  • sandollar

    It’s a good night!

  • circlegranch

    After an awesome and inspiring debate performance, we need to show the Governor our affirmation of support. Go to www.rickperry.org and donate. Dig deep but even $10-$15 will help. Let’s do our part to help him get a big fundraising boost which is a confidence builder in the polls. If the money rolls in after tonight, those still on the fence but felt he did deliver on a great performance, will be bolstered by our efforts and hopefully come on board.

    We have a large majority of voters still not sure. We can help in that effort. Donate to Rick Perry tonight! God bless and good night.

  • pttx333

    around during WWII or ‘Nam? I was born in 1940, but I know personally of family members tortured in jungles and on the beaches in WWII. I have personally known a POW of 7 years from ‘Nam (he has now passed) who was tortured beyond anything McCain ever described. Apparently you don’t know a hell of a lot or have been so indoctrinated to think they can do whatever they wish to us without fight-back from us – THINK AGAIN. Yes, I hate torture, but let me tell you what – if that is what it takes to stop one more American life from being taken or another one of ours from being tortured – well, whatever they have to do to stop the enemy is FINE WITH ME!

    WRITE IT DOWN!! That is the only way you can stop them and the only thing they understand. GOT IT?

  • windwaker24

    OUR MAN DID IT!!!! I’M SO HAPPY!!!

  • gracie

    n/t

  • changeforrickperry

    But I know that some people weren’t considering him a “contendah.” After this, they’ll have no choice but to keep him on their radars. If anything Perry proved himself a competent commander-in-chief, and back on track.

    I sincerely hope rsklaroff was watching . . . we need our scholarly comrade back on board big-time.
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    “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

    www.changeforrickperry.org

  • Xasteius

    was that waterboarding is basically no worse than the immature crud they do at public schools.

  • texasroots

    I am so glad our prayers were answered.

  • papabear

    I think I am more qualified than Cain. His performance was inexcusable for someone who has been trying to be president for this long.

    I will grant that Cain was better than Santorum, Huntsman & Paul. That’s not saying much. My kid’s cats would direct foreign policy better than those 3.

  • Xasteius

    at least to me.

  • pttx333

    nn

  • pttx333

    the whole country. We’ll share! Hate to lose my beloved Governor, but it is for a good cause, doncha know. Wish I had some champagne – might even have a snort or three! Naw, not three – I’d either be giggling until it becomes a terminal thing or out like a light! ;-)

  • changeforrickperry

    Don’t be discouraged. My best friend is a Ron Paul supporter. She and I still have fantastic, intelligent conversations in spite of the fact that we’ve chosen different men as our candidates. She told me the other day that she’s resigned herself to the fear that Ron Paul might not get the nomination. I told her (firmly) not to think that way. She must go the whole hog or nothing for her candidate. No use in being half-hearted.

    As long as we have intelligent, factual conversations, we’ll be fine. Full disclosure: I respect Ron Paul. His economic philosophies are outstanding. He loves the Constitution and is consistent to a fault. It’s foreign policy where he loses me, like tonight. Nevertheless, if, God forbid, anything happened to Rick Perry, I would go to Ron Paul. My conscience and the Constitution demand it. That’s my personal opinion, I know plenty of others have a different second choice, but don’t worry–you’re not alone in your respect for Paul.
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  • sandollar

    Perry, Newt, Mitt (eww) & Bachmann were very focused- almost working like a team. Mr Cain didn’t do horribly, but could have been a little stronger at times.

    I’m a big Gingrich supporter, but I am delighted to see Perry (my governor) really showing who he is. I didn’t know much about his positions re foreign policy & I am very impressed! (if you aren’t a Texan & not used to him/ Texans, this is the guy we know & love)

  • onenationundrgod

    Will probably be on the right scoop later.

    http://www.therightscoop.com/

  • changeforrickperry

    And email any friends you know who might’ve missed the debate to bring them up to speed.

    You know what? I’d say Rick Perry’s had a pretty good week! One, he’s gotten a lot of media attention. Two, he’s shown, without a shadow of a doubt, that his campaign has turned a corner. And three . . . umm . . . oops.

    Oh, yeah, now I remember! He’s revealed a fantastic sense of humor!
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    “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

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  • ripusa32110

    I’m just trying to get across the idea that alienating his supporters isn’t a very smart idea and tonights “debate” if you can call it one, is exhibit A. It is possible the media is trying to make Ron Paul and his supporters angry enough to walk out the door and run third party. I’m just angry and suspicious and fed up.

  • Tbone

    The guy is an ambulatory embodiment of an abnormal psychology text book. As such, I find it interesting which chapters fit his individual supporters. Care to share?

  • gracie

    PS Hope you don’t bother withstuff I send as it was starting..I was just nervously killing time.

  • texasroots

    but I am not reading anything negative, not tonight, not tomorrow. Let’s enjoy this evening.

  • texasroots

    LOL!

  • papabear

    Every pilot trainee who goes through POW training is subjected to “enhanced interrogation techniques”.

    I know because I am talking from experience.

    Although waterboarding was not one of the specific techniques I experienced, I would have preferred it to some of the ones I went through.

    I have NO problem with waterboarding terrorists. Any technique that we put our own forces through for training purposes is totally acceptable!

  • pttx333

    feet to encourage him. No bombard him, but just tweak him sometimes to let him know.

  • Tbone

    belongs. He is not a Republican, in fact, he really isn’t even what I call an American. If you support him, you you fail both tests as well.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    money grubbing CongressCritter for over 20 years. He’s an Aryan Brotherhood loving, Jew hating nihilist who has a long history of NOT being a Republican and he shouldn’t be in these debates OR the Republican Caucus in the House. His thoughts on foreign policy are not just stupid but dangerous, this thoughts on monetary policy are worse.

    If you are truly stupid enough to think Ron Paul has anything either right or important to say, go start a third party. You’ll only be taking the group known in political circles as “brain dead non-voters” with you, so go. And please, let the door hit you.

  • changeforrickperry

    and gave him some encouragement. Hopefully he’ll come back around. I sure hope he does…his posts were always such a pep-talk. He was the one who inspired me to go back through our copy of “Fed Up!” and underline the best parts. Oh well. As Perry bounces back (which I’m almost positive he will after tonight) the doctor will be cheerful again.
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    “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

    www.changeforrickperry.org

  • center77

    and I think this was not Cains best debate at all. Perry knows how to be commander and chief.

  • pttx333

    my upthread rant! I’ve cried enough tears down through the years for our fallen (including family, friends, acquaintances) to float 10 battleships! And I will NEVER cut any slack. Diplomacy, ok, but when it doesn’t work – go for the gusto! You cannot negotiate or sing kumbaya with terrorists!!

  • avgjo

    That’s why we have specific statutes to deal with aiding, abetting the enemy and treason.

    It may sound or even feel good to say stuff like you did, but when you think it out, alluvasudden it ain’t so good.

    For instance, who’s considered the ‘enemy’ depends on who you ask. If he could get away with it, Obama would probably send predator drones after Limbaugh, Mr. Erickson you and me. Keep setting goofy precedents like Bush and Obama, and that’s not so far fetched in a few years.

  • Tbone

    don’t care what it takes to get the information.

  • avagreen

    those that are willing will see the man that will lead them to a better life.

    Those that don’t want to……..who cares? Nothing he can do will ever suffice.

    But, for those thinking individuals…..you have met your man.

    Meet President Rick Perry!

  • changeforrickperry

    But here goes. I’ll clarify, first, why Ron Paul is not my #1 choice, though.

    I am a Christian conservative Republican, in that order. As such, I believe that government’s priority should be to punish the evildoers and reward those who do good. I believe that government should protect the sanctity of human life and punish those who violate it. But I also believe that the government shouldn’t stand in the way of free enterprise and individual liberty.

    However, here’s where I have a quibble with libertarianism. They take liberty and turn it into license.

    ?Now, some claim that there can be too much liberty or that people cannot be trusted if they have too much freedom. I do not believe that is true. The kind of liberty we construe as harmful is not really liberty but rather license. And license serves only the selfish appetite at the expense of others. Liberty is a God-given virtue; license is a destructive vice fomented by the forces of evil. If liberty were to include the freedom to harm others, then of course that would be too much of it. But within liberty?s essence is a recognition of the inherent value of other human beings.?–Rick Perry, “Fed Up!”

    My problems with Ron Paul are in this area. He thinks prostitution and illegal drug use should be legal. I disagree–strongly. Although he claims to be pro-life, this also includes opposition to capital punishment. I also disagree with that. God instituted capital punishment long before Moses came down the mountain with the Ten Commandments.

    I also find his foreign policy to be naive and misguided. Ronald Reagan said that “we cannot play innocents in a world that is not innocent.” I’m sorry, but the Founding Father’s couldn’t have foreseen a world with nuclear bombs and cyber warfare. And so Ron Paul’s foreign policy disturbs me.

    HOWEVER, where economics is concerned, I don’t think there is a stronger defender of capitalism on that stage (save Perry). I think going back to the gold standard would be a good thing. Certainly we should at least get rid of the Federal Reserve. The national debt rivals Iran as our biggest threat, and strong action needs to be taken. And I would trust Ron Paul to do it in a Constitutional manner.

    So, all that said, if something awful were to happen to Rick Perry and my choices were Romney/Paul, or Cain/Paul, I’ll take Paul in a heartbeat. I trust him to do what he says and means.

    My $0.02 (adjusted for inflation). If your question wasn’t intended for me, Tbone, I apologize. I see so many misplaced replies and didn’t want to be accused of avoiding an important question :)
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  • cheetah2

    the laws need to be clarified on this. But determining what actions would lose you your rights as a citizen should not be that hard to nail down. I don’t think even President Obama is actually going to be confusing political opponents with known terrorists here.

  • texasroots

    I was just saying that especially tonight I would not receive anything negative about Rick Perry. After all, doc was at Perry’s announcing for president, which to me was the best I ever heard. That’s what happens when one listens too much to the devil’s report card.

  • texasroots

    isn’t that ironic, if ya know what I mean. I want to stay positive and savor the moment.

  • pttx333

    total HOOT! Read his stuff for a laugh every 30 seconds or so!! And he’s dead on right, too.

  • texasroots

    Reporting for duty.

  • changeforrickperry

    I was just typing on the safe side, if you know what I mean. I didn’t want anyone to think I was a weirdo Paulinista–and by the way, my dear friend ISN’T a Paulinista. (There are plenty of Paul supporters who don’t branch off into absurdity, believe it or not.) She’s a very thoughtful, intelligent girl, and though she loves Paul and I love Perry, we delight in bashing the Giant Ken Doll together.
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  • paladin1

    prop up the Pakistanis is that our aid means nothing to them. They laugh behind our backs because we continue to support the terrorist enemies of our country with our own money. For all the aid we have provided, they harbor Bin Laden for years, turn our rescue chopper over the the Chinese to steal our stealth technology, and the man on the street in Pakistan spits in our faces, burns our flag and urges our defeat and demise (sounds like the #OWS folks actually).

    Governor Perry is correct in his premise that the government is divided into the civilian and the military. Both are at odds with each other and in that part of the world, the group with the guns wins. They allow some small concessions to the US just to keep us on the hook, while harboring terrorists, providing them shelter, materiel, and sustenance using our aid money to do so. The civilian government has no real control over the military nuclear weapons in practice and it is foolish for us to continue to provide money that is turned back against us for this fallacious reason. Give them nothing and let them openly go to the Chinese for their handouts. We can deal with their nuclear weapons if need be.

  • paladin1

    That is the man I know as the leader of my state!
    God bless him!

  • papabear

    Part 1 is 14:17 long. Part 2 is 14:07 long.

  • pttx333

    many years. He has his good moments and then goes off into lala land where the fruit loops reside. Don’t worry, it is okay.

  • Tbone

    However, your salvation is at hand. Here is what you do to be cleansed

    1. Google up how many pounds of gold has ever been mined.

    2. Google up the total dollars in circulation.

    3. Do the math.

    4. Tell me people wouldn’t be pulling the gold teeth out of living humans… a lot.

  • avgjo

    To have rule of law, we have to have clarity of law.

    But I have to disagre with you about Obama. Don’t forget, his campaign started in the room of a man who, according to an undercover law enforcement agent, plotted the death of around 30 million Americans if they would not come around to socialism. An old piece of wisdom that’s becoming forgotten: tell me who your friends are, and I’ll tell you who you are.

  • aesthete

    Not because we’d spend more on the military, but because we’d cut back on things that the federal government should not be doing.

  • iidvbii

    Tonight, Rick Perry gave a command performance, clearly articulating a strategy for a stronger America and a safer world. Rick Perry is the candidate that will make sure America projects its strength and stands with its allies again. The current president’s foreign policy is muddled and incoherent while dangerous regimes like Iran attempt to develop nuclear weapons.

    We need a commander-in-chief who is decisive in a dangerous world, and who rallies the forces of freedom to address common threats. Rick Perry showed at the GOP presidential foreign policy debate that he has the poise and principles needed to ensure a strong America in uncertain times.

    Gov. Perry will stand with our allies again. Will you stand with Rick Perry by sharing the most defining debate moments on RickPerry.org through facebook, twitter, and email?

    It?s time for a president who will project American values and protect American interests. Gov. Perry knows we need to be secure while we rebuild our economic strength. As governor of Texas, he has done more to secure the Southern Border than any president or governor, and he has a plan to completely secure the full border during his first year in office. As a veteran, he also has a deep commitment to a maintaining a strong military, especially during these difficult times.

    We cannot remain leader of the Free World unless we elect a leader willing to make the tough decisions that preserve freedom and critical alliances.

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  • cheetah2

    no limits to what he would do if he had the power. Thankfully he doesn’t have that power and he will be going away about a year from now!

  • JSobieski

    Pakistan being almost 100% against us to be split, where they do some things that we will like and some things that we don’t.

    Any aid we give to Pakistan should be calibrated to protect US security interests, and should involve lots of demands on our side. However we all need to acknowledge that the general public doesn’t know how helpful Pakistan is behind closed doors now, or were in the past.

    For example, countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and in the past Egypt, use to be quite helpful behind the seens even if they weren’t helpful in public view. I hope that Pakistan has been helpful in that way, but I tend to doubt it.

    At best the Islamist nations can have governments that cooperate with us when they can’t be seen. That is at best, and presumes that leaders are not elected.

    It is time to drop the democracy movement in the Middle East. Libya and Egypt are about to show what a mistake that is. The only country where democracy would lead to a more pro-US government is Iran, and that is because the government there is as anti-US as they can be.

    In the future when US troops have left, I wonder how much aid Afghanistan and Iraq will earn if evaluated on a start-from-zero baseline?