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The Palin-Bolling Proposal To Lower Gas Prices

Conservatives need to do a better job of explaining how they would lower gas prices.  More drilling is a great piece of the pie, but there needs to be more.  Governor Sarah Palin and Eric Bolling, Fox News host of of The Five, have put together a comprehensive plan to lower gas prices and they mapped out the details in the video below. 

The FOX gas price solution show was titled “Paying at the Pump.”  Gov. Palin and Bolling rolled out some excellent ideas to combat skyrocketing gas prices.  When President Obama was sworn into office, gas was priced at $1.85 cents a gallon.  Clearly, the President’s energy policy has been an abject failure with gas prices hovering close to $4.00 a gallon. 

This show contains a comprehensive conservative means to lower gas prices.  Conservatives need to make a strong case to the American people that the solution to high prices at the pump is a conservative solution.  Get the government out of the business of hiking gas prices through wrong headed government policies.  As usual, government has caused many of the problems leading to a massive hike in gas prices and President Obama has exacerbated the problem.

It is important to note that high gas prices causes price inflation in consumer goods.  Having gas prices so high is a drag on the economy in the transportation of goods and in the production of many products.  The impact of gas prices doubling since President Obama was sworn into office is currently harming the economic future of the United States.  High gas prices hammer the middle class and low income Americans harder than the well to do.  High gas prices are a problem that needs to be addressed in the very near future or our economy shall stagnate.

The first point Palin and Bolling made in the show was that gas prices cause inflation on many other products used by Americans.  Anybody who has made a recent trip to the grocery store has felt the pinch of increasing prices.  One of the reasons why these prices are hiking is because of high fuel prices, yet another important, and lesser known factor, is the impact of environmental regulations forcing truckers to use vehicles at increased cost.  The experts on the show argued that environmentalist extremists and anti-energy policies are one of the factors hiking grocery prices.

We can all thank the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) for some of the gas price inflation.  Kenneth Green of the American Enterprise Institute wrote a blog post titled EPA-Induced refinery closures linked to high gas prices. Green cited an article in Investor’s Business Daily that put responsibility on the EPA for higher gas prices.

The untold story behind soaring pump prices is that major U.S. refineries are going out of business and creating at least regional shortages thanks in no small part to costly EPA rules. Over just the past six months, three refineries supplying about half the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel to the East Coast have closed, including two owned by Sunoco Inc. They say they simply cannot make money anymore. Philadelphia-based Sunoco’s refinery business in the Northeast has lost almost $1 billion over the past three years as U.S. demand for gas fell and the cost of foreign crude soared. But over the same period, it had to shell out “significant expenditures for environmental projects and compliance activities” to satisfy onerous EPA mandates, according to the company’s latest 10-K report. In fact, it’s spent more than $1.3 billion just to comply with stricter EPA rules, which carry stiff fines or penalties for violations. Sunoco fretted that these regulatory costs would grow exponentially under the Obama administration, which has hit some of its refineries with fines.

The federal government has passed on a $1.3 billion tax on the American consumer in the form of EPA regulations.  Regulations are a hidden tax on the American people and they limit choices.  The fact that three refineries have closed is evidence that this burdensome regulatory structure is increasing gas prices. 

One simple solution would be to suspend these regulations to see if gas prices come down and more refineries come on line.  Strip the EPA of any authority to implement the rules that are causing higher gas prices.

Of the many laughable and wrong headed ideas of the Obama Administration is the President Obama’s suggestion of getting regular tune ups and inflating tires.  This will have no impact on gas prices and is not a realistic means to solve our energy problems.  Obama has also embraced the miracle fuel of converting Algae to gas.  Yet another unproven miracle fuel idea that is not at a stage where Algae is being considered a realistic solution to our nations’ energy problems.  These Obama ideas can go in the silly category and should be treated as non-serious solutions.

One serious proposal that will increase gas prices is to impose higher taxes on the Oil and Gas industry.  The President’s idea to raise taxes on the Oil and Gas industry was rejected by the United States Senate, because it would raise prices at the pump. 

The President’s idea is to single out the manufacturing tax credit extended to the Oil and Gas industry.  A tax credit that applies to all manufacturers.  The President acts as if the federal government is subsidizing Oil and Gas, yet fails to point out that every manufacturer is allowed a 9% deduction from revenues as part of our corporate tax code.  Already, the federal government has singled out the Oil and Gas industry for a manufacturing tax credit.  An increased tax on the Oil and Gas industry will be passed on to the consumer in the form of higher gas prices.; therefore the President’s removal of what he calls a tax subsidy would effectively increase gas cost at the pump for all Americans.  

Another problem identified by Gov. Palin’s segment on the Fox broadcast is that there are large swaths of the United States off limits to drilling.  Production is up on private and state properties, yet on federally controlled lands, production is not where it needs to be.  Gov. Palin made the point that in Alaska is loaded with resources that are untapped. 

Palin said on the show the following:

In the 50s oil was discovered and the Navy set aside a petroleum reserve, the NPRA, was set aside for the development of oil and gas.  That was in the 1950s, yet that unit, that land, still has never been touched.  And then in the 1960s more oil was discovered and ANWR was created.  It is a huge unit, 20 million acres, was set aside for wilderness for refuge and in mid-1980 it was expanded for oil and gas development in the coastal plain, the tipy top of ANWR.  So we have these huge swaths of land, 20 million acres in one unit and 19 million acres in another unit, reservoirs that have proven to hold oil and gas that have not been tapped yet.

If President Obama was serious about domestic oil production he would urge Congress to open up drilling in ANWR today.  Yet again the environmental extremists have won the day.  They have thwarted the Keystone pipeline and drilling in ANWR, as well as off the coast of Florida, the East Coast, the West Coast and many on land areas that could help reduce America’s dependence on oil.  According to Rayola Dougher of the American Petroleum Institute, 87% of the acreage offshore is off limits to drilling and development.

The President’s solution seems to be merely a political one.  Obama has targeted individuals who trade in futures as if they are the individuals responsible for a massive spike in gas prices.  This is consistent with his Class Warfare campaign, because he can blame Wall Street for high gas prices.  Yet again, President Obama is trying to shift blame away from his own anti-energy policies as a means to blame somebody else for the problems he has failed to solve.

President Obama needs a straw man to draw fire from his incompetent energy policy.  The President has seen fit to demonize “speculators” as if they are evil people driving up the price of gas at the pump.  The fact of the matter is that speculators are trading on the knowledge that the President’s energy policy is not going to produce more domestic sources of energy.  As good traders they are operating on the smart bet that as President Obama thwarts more domestic oil production, gas prices will go higher.

The President said earlier this week, “we can’t afford a situation where some speculators can reap millions while millions of American families get the short end of the stick.”  According to the AP, the President’s proposal to bring down gas prices contains three elements, federal supervision of oil markets, increase penalties for market manipulation and empower regulators to increase the amount of money energy graders are required to put behind their transactions.  

According to AP the following elements are included in the President’s plan:

  • Increase six-fold the surveillance and enforcement staff of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission to better deter oil market manipulation.
  • Increase spending on technology to provide better oversight and surveillance of energy markets.
  • Increase civil and criminal penalties against firms that engage in market manipulation from $1 million to $10 million.
  • Give the Commodity Futures Trading Commission authority to increase the amount of money that a trader must put up to back a trading position. The administration officials said such authority could help limit disruptions in energy markets.

Eric Bolling stated on his show that one element of the Obama proposal may make some sense – raising the energy trading margins.  

Bolling is a guy who has some experience on the issue of futures trading.  He was on the Board of Directors (2000-2005) of the New York Mercantile Exchange (Now Chicago Mercantile Exchange) and an oil trader (1990-2007).  Bolling argued that merely using existing authorities to force Wall Street banks and other institutions trading in derrivatives to put some skin in the game would insure against reckless trading.

Maybe one of the problems we have today is the idea that the big Wall Street traders are considered “Too Big To Fail,” therefore they act as if they have an implicit insurance policy from the federal government to bail them out if the oil futures market collapses.  One solution to the problem would be for the bailout supporting Obama Administration to pledge not to bail out big Wall Street banks and trading firms if they go belly up as a result of bad energy futures trades.  That seems like a good free market solution to the problem.

Although the Dodd-Frank legislation already says that financial institutions will no longer be bailed out, and will be allowed to fail, this is not necessarily true.  The standard interpretation of this language on Wall Street is that no one needs to worry about failing any more, because a Federal bailout is assured.  It’ll just be called by some different name.

As usual, President Obama has takes the wrong tact.  He refuses to drill more on federal lands, his addiction to green energy is well known and he is not expected to renounce bailouts as a legitimate policy of the federal government.  Remember how much money Wall Street funnelled to his campaign after the 2008 Wall Street bailout.  One should not expect him, in an election year, to stick a finger in the eye of one of the sectors of the economy expected to give him $1 billion to fund his re-election campaign.

Obama is engaging in more class warfare by demonizing “Speculators” as a class of people robbing the American people.  Bolling pointed out on the show out that a simple change to the margin requirements may solve the problem.  That solution may preclude the over-broad response by the Obama Administration to the gas price problem. 

Bolling pointed out on the show that the whole world uses 83 million barrels a day.  The markets move over 4 billion barrels a day in the form of derrivatives on the market.  Bolling further pointed out that these futures are not being traded by the Saudi Arabians nor other middle eastern members of OPEC.  Also, not Shell or Gulf or any other oil company making these future trades.  The traders are the bailed out (i.e. failed) Wall Street entities that have already done lasting harm to the idea of free market capitalism with the bailouts.

Bolling pointed out that these Wall Street firms don’t have to have any skin in the game if they buy and sell an oil future in the same day.  He further pointed out that if they hold a future overnight, they only have to prove they have posted approximately a 5% against the margin of the position.  Conservatives need to understand that this is not in the form of a new regulation.  The regulations authorizing this new margin requirement already exists in the law. It is not a new additional regulation nor is it a fee.  It is merely a margin account to show the companies still own the collateral used to make these trades. 

Now some will point to the fact that exchanges already have the ability to increase margin requirements for trading positions.  They absolutely do this in volatile conditions, when they fear that traders may be taking on too much leverage, increasing their risk of failure.  Additionally, futures markets have strict daily trading limits and positions are marked to market every night.  This means people who bet wrong can generally get forced out of the market before they can bankrupt their counter-parties. 

Some will argue that if the Obama Administration comes to Congress to demand that legislation enabling regulators to impose position limits or margin requirements is pointless.  The exchanges already have a self-preservation interest in enforcing these at times of stress.  It is important to note that the Palin-Bolling plan did not call for more legislation, yet the Obama Administration is trying to get Congress to pass legislation to force regulators to make this decision. 

The President’s plan does not define “manipulation” and gives regulators the power to make subjective decisions.  How will market participants prepare for regulators curtailing otherwise-legal activities.  Having Congress implement all the aspects of the Obama proposal may make the markets all the more unstable.

Now creating a margin requirement that is too high will stifle the market and move these trades to other markets.  That would hurt the financial sector of the American economy and also do lasting harm to free market capitalism.  Bolling’s idea has merit and a reasonable margin requirement may be one element of a comprehensive plan to get gas prices under control.

The fact that the Obama Administration already has the authority that this Administration is not serious about gas prices.  They punt all the difficult decisions to Congress, yet they refuse to do anything to “Drill Baby Drill” domestically.  This Administration is firmly in support of demonizing “Speculators” and “Big Oil” by increasing taxes and comparing “Speculators” to the guys that cause the Enron scandal.

Another idea that needs an airing that didn’t make the Palin-Bolling show was devolving highway programs back to the states.  Right now the federal government collects $18.3 cents on every gallon of gas pumped in the United States.  The feds collect the taxes then dole these revenues back to the states to pay for highway programs, bike paths and miscellaneous earmarks.  The best solution would be to devolve the programs back to the states where they belong and eliminate the federal gas tax.  States already collect hefty gas taxes and they could increase the state based gas taxes to cover the shortfall.  Without the federal government bureaucrats wasting these tax dollars there would be measurable savings at the pump.

At a minimum, conservatives need to roll out a comprehensive plan and force Congress to consider these plans over and over again.  Gas prices are a big issue and if conservatives in Congress are not forcing vote after vote on good ideas, then they will lose the messaging war to the Class Warrior in Chief who is seeking to use scare tactics and class warfare to secure another term in the White House. 

There is a conservative solution.  Governor Sarah Palin and Fox’s Eric Bolling have rolled out a conservative plan that deserves a national debate.

COMMENTS

  • http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

    NT

    • APA Guy

      I can’t for the life of me understand why the GOP isn;t out hammering Obama on this day after day.

      Recurring deficits have destroyed the value of the dollar. Oil is priced in dollars. It doesn’t take an economist to understand the cause and effect.

      OBAMA HAS DONE THIS TO THE COUNTRY…and he has absolutely NO intention of undoing it. This is what we should be trumpeting because Obama cannot escape it.

      The country has heard about drilling…it has heard to a lesser extent about the Keystone Pipeline. Now let’s, as Paul Harvey famously said, “the rest of the story” from Romney and the GOP. Let’s get the narrative right and keep it rolling for once!!!

      • onemovoter

        I watched this show on FOX and was aggravated at Eric specifically when he went through what he thought were the causes.

        The REAL cause of high prices for oil and related gasoline prices is the printing of money by the Federal Reserve. A large portion of the printing is done electronically now since most moving of money is done by electronic transfers. The spikes in oil prices have followed each “printing” action by the Fed.

        All you have to do to see this is by the price of gold over the last 4 years. The price of gold has risen in parallel with oil. Oil is traded in only US dollars world wide, so as the value of the dollar is debased, the more it takes to buy oil.

        APA guy does make a good point about the deficit, but there is a real reason why the Federal Reserve is printing so much money. It has to in order to fill the hole made by the housing collapse, and the compounding hammer of Obamacare and Dodd/Frank. We also have the Obama admin soup of regulators trying to kill off the parts of the economy that have survived. The Federal Reserve’s only tool to counter this is printing of money and zero interest rates.

        We’ve all seen the effects of printing money on daily staples and all other goods out there. The only thing that is super low in price is natural gas, only because of the super glut we are producing here way above demand.

        I wish I could get this point across to Eric and O’Reilly, both of which are stuck on this stupid “speculators” blame game. Were the speculators to blame when the price of oil dropped suddenly from $135/b to $40/b in 2007-8? No, it was drop in demand, along with the huge drop in money supply.

        • APA Guy

          Printing money = need more of it to buy a commidity priced in dollars (i.e. oil). This is why we paid $25/barrel in 1999 and are paying $100+ now.

          Low interest rates are also a culprit, but they have also allowed Bernake to artificially pump tons of printed money into the economy. At a time when we could be saving, we are borrowing…not just the government, but consumers as well.

          Believe me…this issue is no mystery to me…or Obama. He knows EXACTLY what he is doing and has a purpose…to destroy capitalism. One more term and he’ll succeed.

        • APA Guy

          Watch what happens to oil prices when there is movement with the Euro. Because U.S debt and the printing that accompanies it has so devalued the dollar, we hang on what happens with the Euro because our currency is matched against it.

          Whenever the Euro firms up, oil jumps.

          Whenever the dollar declines, oil jumps.

          There was a time when we took destiny in our own hands. Isn’t it nice to know that what we pay at the pump rises and falls on the debt and currency situation in…EUROPE???

          We need a new president and senate in the worst way…

        • carolina

          The weak $ is THE reason for high oil prices. O’Reilly has been driving me crazy with his “evil speculators” meme. I even tried to email him (to no avail).
          The lamestream media is just as ignorant also. There never was an “energy crisis” back in the 70′s. It was all a lie (that I fell for at the time). As long as there is this continued conspiracy of ignorance and lies, we are doomed to useless frustration. Even the folks who understand that the weak $ is the problem don’t speak out very forcefully.
          Thank you for your post.

        • carolina

          The weak $ is THE reason for high oil prices. O’Reilly has been driving me crazy with his “evil speculators” meme. I even tried to email him (to no avail).
          The lamestream media is just as ignorant also. There never was an “energy crisis” back in the 70′s. It was all a lie (that I fell for at the time). As long as there is this continued conspiracy of ignorance and lies, we are doomed to useless frustration. Even the folks who understand that the weak $ is the problem don’t speak out very forcefully.
          Thank you for your post.

        • malvernpa

          The Democrat party and fraudulent environmental science. There are no other real obstacles.

        • morninginamerica

          Yes, the Fed prints money, but how much is too much? The dollar is really a price, it used to be fixed in gold, to be maintained in the free market.The money supply can go up and down with the economy without inflartion as long as the Fed and Treasury HOLD the dollar’s PRICE.

          Paul Volcker didn’t understand this and raised rates as Reagan’s tax cuts brought in huge amounts of money from overseas in the early 1980′s.That gave us a totally unnecessary deflation (too strong a dollar) causing people to loose their farms as agricultural prices collapsed for example.

          Inflation means falling value of money. If prices are rising we should say so: they are the intersection of supply and demand — where we’re willing to exchange our work for another’s. Otherwise we could have the Fed tightening against the weather, say, a drought leading to higher corn prices.

          Take a look at the gold price since Bernanke came into office. It rose four fold under his leadership and five fold since 2002. That’s probably the real futures contract on inflation. (the ten-year moving average sits just over $200 per ounce.)

  • http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

    …to essentially do what Palin and Bolling suggested (The authority of which is already granted in Dodd Frank), Palin blasted Obama in the following Facebook post.

    a href=”http://m.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150685346038435&refid=0&_ft_=fbid.10150685346038435″>http://m.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150685346038435&refid=0&_ft_=fbid.10150685346038435

    • http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2
      • Brian Darling

        Is very different from the Obama Class Warfare idea. You need to read my whole post.

        • http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

          I agree with what you said, and provided the link to Palin’s post to back it up. I apologize if I wasn’t clear.

          • checkmate2012

            announcement was laughable and a shameless stab at defense.
            It shows desperation and was very transparent in this case.

            But as usual, he took one piece of an overall plan, like Brian expertly layed out, and decided to politicize it by going to the telepromter to act like he’s not at all responsible for gas prices….it’s those bad oil speculators fault! And the White House claims they don’t watch Fox but must have been chomping at the bit to get ahold of that manilla envelop Eric Bolling had been waving in the air for the past month!

          • Brian Darling

            My bad.
            What I want to know is who stole rightwingnut1 from you. Thanks for the Palin link.

          • http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

            requirements only, but i was in my car typing it on my phone. I wasn’t as clear as I could have been. Again, great piece.

            Eric Bolling must like it, because he tweeted it.

  • http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

    No text.

    • Brian Darling

      I hope Fox repeats the show, because they need to do more issue oriented programming. The Palin-Bolling show was very educational.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    to effect the price of oil. Oil prices are not being driven up by and “excess” of speculation, whatever that is. It is being driven up by expectations of future imbalance in supply and demand.

    That is something that can be predicted with some reasonable assurance by comparing probable global demand with predicted supplies.

    Raising margin requirement may be a good policy for other reasons, but will do next to nothing to the price.

    • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

      are actually large institutional users of energy, shipping lines and airlines and such. Who need to guarantee future deliveries. They will not be deterred by higher margins.

      • aesthete
      • skorrent1

        Who are really end users usually buy ahead to “guarantee future deliveries.” They usually buy a contract and hold until they accept delivery. What P & B’s “penny-jar” symbolized was a vast trade in contracts many times in excess of actual delivery. This acts the way a broker does who “churns” an investment account, taking fees on each purchase and sale. This drives up the cost of investment with no significant benefit. Excess trading in oil drives up the price of oil similarly. A resonable margin requirement would not deter end users, would allow market prices to be reflected, but would increase the risk for those who “churn” contracts in order to suck money out of the market.

      • citizenkh

        Tankers are generally hired on voyage charters (one trip) or time charters (lease over period of time, such as 6 months or even years), mostly by the exporters (such as PDVSA) or oil companies with contracts for a specific amount of production. In such arrangements, the tanker owner is not getting a percentage of the pie.

        That being said, independent pipeline companies purchase oil from local fields then sell it to traders/consumers (refiners). For large producers/consumers they have a set fee.

        • bobmark

          The price of shipping a product to market has a direct link to the retail price. C’mon, this is eco. 101 stuff.

          I and a whole lot of residents of the northeast am an oil speculator. I enter into a contract with my home heating oil company that they will deliver x gallons at a price of y dollars. Then I hope that it stays warm again next winter and they hope that opec lowers the price and it’s freezing.

          • citizenkh

            The ship operators do not speculate on oil as part of that line of business. What they speculate on is freight rates.

            It’s Shipping 101 not Econ 101.

            The days of ships calling on a port and the owner buying goods on speculation to bring back home are long gone back in the 19th Century.

            It is like leasing a UHaul, in a simplified manner so that those who think ship owners actually speculate on oil prices.

          • citizenkh

            http://www.maritimeknowhow.com/English/Know-How/Charter_parties/C-P_Docs/intertankvoy_76.pdf

            By the way the vast majority of charters are set in London, no matter where the parties are based.

  • lastgopinillinois

    The Fox video presentation paints the 0bama administration as incompetent with respect to controlling high prices.
    Actually 0bama knows what he is doing. His administration is purposely anti-American energy independence in favor of pushing his green-energy agenda (which is really nothing more than a stealth vote-buying scheme). So I am dissapointed that the video failed to bring the truth about 0bama and his energy secretary Chu to the forefront. I was hoping that they would reveal the administrations goal to raise the price in line with what Europeans are paying. And it would have been easy to include snippets of 0bama and Chu’s speeches from C-Span to prove it.
    To me, that would have been more valuable content in the video. Missed opportunity.

    • davesinsanantonio

      Obummer is wrong and clueless about energy than that he is evil.

      We know the truth, but the voters don’t. So, we have to educate them a step at a time. The first step has been taken.

    • citizenkh

      yes he and his staff are clueless. I give you his handling of the BP Macondo Spill. Outside of some bureaucratic blocks, especially regarding Louisiana, there was not much he could do during the spill. It was in INTERNATIONAL WATERS AND governed by international law.

      The response by BP was about as good as anyone else (or everyone else combined) could have done. The “conservative” media (blogs, etc…) really put out a lot of Alex Jones type info. There was a much greater response, at sea, than reported. There were even Dutch (Netherlands Antilles flag) ships with Dutch open ocean skimmers working as soon as they could arrive and be fitted out for the job.

      Zero could have slammed “conservatives” really hard on the facts and not had such a huge loss in Nov. 2010 if he and his staff were smart enough. They aren’t.

  • dajeeps

    It is the direct result of industrial era regulation and market control conflicting with global market realities. Together the EPA and DoE have us married exclusively to gasoline and then go happily about constricting supply.

    1) The EPA, by making conversion of existing vehicles to gasoline/natural gas hybrids cost prohibitive, it might as well be banned altogether. If we could do this, we could flex fuel usage based on price and demand would be split between fuels.

    2) The gas tax provides a huge incentive to, despite all the rhetoric to the contrary, not foster all options for alternative fuels as a matter of fact.

    3) The DoE and EPA together constricts supply of oil after we’ve been herded into gasoline for tax simplicity and perhaps other political motivations that have nothing to do with what is beneficial for average working folks.

    The opportunity cost to the economy from not letting markets sort out these issues based on price sensitivity is simply enormous, yet we can’t seem to impress upon government enough that it really isn’t providing any real positive benefit by standing in the way of needed energy market evolution based on global realities.

    The entire dinosaur of industrial era planned economy needs to be jettisoned before we end up with nary two pennies to rub together.

    • davesinsanantonio

      cling to their religious beliefs tenaciously. And, they don’t want to hear any facts that they deem to be heretical.

  • ihateliberals

    It is my belief that not only Obama but the past US government has not wanted to be independent from the Middle East. The government talks a good talk but they walk with crutches.

    The Pipe Line and more USA Drilling is only part of the solution. With the EPA closing refineries right now we have to ship some oil off-shore to be refined and brought back as gasoline etc. Even if we had more oil from the USA we couldn’t refine it and the price would not go down but could actually go up. Between the the EPA and the DOE we will never be independent oil producers and refiners. There is too much money in it for the Oil Companies, and the EPA and DOE budgets.

    When you have a President that thinks you can force green vehicles and solar/wind power for energy by keeping the price of oil very high we will never be able to overcome the prices at the pump. Plus a hidden factor here is the oil we buy also goes into the production of many of the products we buy and that too accounts for some of the higher consumer prices.

  • citizenkh

    Diesel prices jumped up almost 10 years ago with EPA regs for ultra low sulfur requirement. Several things had to be built for EACH refinery to comply.

    Hydrotreaters had to be built just for additional sulfur removal. Such a unit takes a refined product, heats it up in a fired heater, adds hydrogen to the flow then passes the mixture through a vertical pressure vessel (solid bed reactor) filled with a catalyst. This is then cooled (which also preheats the entering flow) and the newly created H2S (hydrogen combined with sulfur through catalytic reaction) then passed through an amine (ammonia/alcohol compound) solution in an absorption column. Then the ultra low sulfur diesel emerges. The amine solution is regenerated and recycled (a continuous process) with the H2S being sent to another unit (series of units) to be turned into elemental sulfur. Excess hydrogen is recycled in the process.

    This takes $100′s of millions of dollars to build each of those units for an average sized to smaller refinery. It take energy to fire the heater (say 20 million BTU/hr of gas fuel for a small one), to drive the pumps (multistage with large electric motors), to drive the compressors at say 1000 hp per two compressors, and to cool the product.

    The spent catalyst is generally changed out annually (even though regenerated throughout the year).

    Now onto the required hydrogen.

    Most modern refineries already have reformers to produce high octane gasoline. These units heat up the naphtha feed in fired heaters, then pass the product through catalyst bed reactors (similar to the hydrotreating process) and free hydrogen is removed from the stream. This “byproduct” has long been used in hydrotreaters to get diesel and gasoline to specs pre-ultra low sulfur regulations.

    With new ultra-low sulfur diesel regs, additional hydrogen is needed, far more than produced by refinery reformers. As a result, natural gas is used by companies to build hydrogen reformers. They use steam methane reforming (high heat/pressure) in large furnaces (gas fired) to crack the methane into hydrogen, CO2, & CO. CO is commonly called Synfuel and is used as a low BTU boiler fuel to create steam. CO2 is generally vented to atmosphere or liquified for use in carbonated soft drinks. The hydrogen is sent to a nearby refinery or compressed and put into a pipeline where it is traded to other refiners. This is not the same purity level hydrogen needed for fuel cells, which first would have to be cryogenically purified to remove all traces of hydrocarbons.

    Sounds like a lot of capital investment and a lot of operating cost being added to each gallon of diesel, and all the goods transported by trucks, trains and barges, now doesn’t it.

  • ariyosef

    O HAS ACTED! Cleverly, clandestinely and with constant dishonesty.

    Only a “head in the sand” could miss it as do all the Media quacks,
    even those supposedly conservatives…

    If it quacks it is a duck~!

    Simple truth, HE HAS ACTED consistently and excessively to cause the woes we now may not be able to overcome without
    miracle level response of a very mighty army.

    NO ENEMY in our history has been as ACTIVELY destructive to this nation or the world as the ENEMY IN the White House now.
    The pattern of O’s ACTIONS are too clear to be accidental.
    They areorchestrated and purposeful. (to the degree of TREASON!)

    Too many words are wasted by Conservatives
    and loose the masses in the process.

    CALL O’s acts for what they are. Purposeful Policies:
    WIDE-OPEN FLOOD GATES to BANKRUPTING OUR NATION both FINANCIALLY AND MORALLY.

    F&F gate!
    (bloody guns intended to produce call for GUN CONTROL)

    Energy Dependence Gate!
    ($8 to $10 per gallon GAS as a POLICY!)

    Preventing VOTER ID’s or VOTER FRAUD Gate!
    (Acorn-type ghost voting through ORGANIZED VOTER FRAUD)

    ENTITELMENT GATE!
    (Illegal alien and IRS fraud depleting Medicare)

    “TAXING GATE” including Regulation Fees and Costs to kill jobs.
    (Permanant UNEMPLOYMENT! of millions more Americans)

    CONSTITUTION GATE!
    No Budget: which allows unlimited spending without oversight.

    Total disregard for rule of law and truth.. in testimony
    (Holder & others obvious lying. Call them Liars, cheats, theives!)
    Put the ACTORS on defensive to prove themselves true… they
    can’t. So start the hearings and wait till O is out of office to file
    criminal charges for treason…. Gee! WAS THERE EVER A
    BETTER organized “RICO” type of treason in this country?!

    Wake up! CALL THE ACTS FOR WHAT THEY ARE!

    Or sleep on– and kiss your property, prosperty and progeny “Good bye!”

  • citizenkh

    Not all refineries are the same, or configured alike. Not all refineries are built for certain types of crude oil.

    The CEO of the small refinery on the show, has a simple integrated refinery, but would be incapable of processing heavy crude such as Canadian, Venezuelan, or Mexican Mayan Blend without a few hundred million $ additional capital investment MINIMUM, which is a lot for a refinery of only 70,000 bpd.

    A dozen refineries in TX and LA are perfectly suited and capable of taking over 1.2 million bbls per day of Canadian crude as transported to Nederland, TX in the Keystone XL. This crude was set for a CONTRACT price of $68/bbl. Instead the majority of those same refineries are “hooked” on Venezuelan imports due investment and product profit center decision from the 1980′s.

    With Venezuelan crude production declined by 35% over the last 9 years, perhaps Zero wants at least 4 of these refineries to close.

    • funwithknives

      but I find that you are always interesting and informative.

      Thank you and K U D O S !

      • citizenkh

        would love to be free of Chavez. It was fine when PDVSA had management which actually understood the business, but since Chavez has royally stolen the cream, the milk and leaves the cow without hay, they have no cash to do what they need to do.

        PDVSA owns 100% of Citgo, 50% of a refinery in a partnership with Exxon, one with Lyondell (with DPMC – Shell/Pemex the only two heavy oil refineries in Houston) and while not stated, substantial parts of certain process units in a few other refineries, such as petroleum coke units.

        One must remember that in the late 1990′s with some tax reform, most refineries and chemical complexes the name on the sign only manages and operates the site. Each process unit is usually owned by different companies/partnerships.

        On one refinery, say ConocoPhillips, Lake Charles, Air Products and Chemicals owns the hydrogen reformer, a JV (including PDVSA) owns (or did own) the petroleum coking unit, etc…

        At Dow Chemical, Louisiana Operations (Plaquemine, LA), Dow owns a few units, but Dow/DuPont owns one, Dow/Exxon owns another. The central power/cogen unit is owned by AEP, etc…

        • citizenkh

          many of the company on the sign operating process units are actually owned by holding companies and leased back to the “name on the sign.” The company (on the sign) gets to expense the lease payment rather than depreciate the capital investment.

          It is an accounting trick.

          • citizenkh

            retains ownership of the ground due who wants to buy the potential liability of past actions (often times under direction and approval of the Feds such as during WWII when they forced landfilling of wastes for cost reasons)

  • Seedyrom

    that higher margins will only lead to futures firms offering a new product for small and medium traders. Today the Mini Oil contract is one half the size of the large contract, 1000 barrels vs 500. The large contract is what brokerages and hedge funds trade the most. The exchanges will create newer contracts at one fourth or one fifth the size so smaller traders can meet margin requirements. Obama loses as its about the cash deposit not trade frequency that matters to traders. Frequency doesn’t affect price that much because most traders close out before the day is over. Propaganda drives liberal brains so they naturally fear what they don’t understand and want to control anything that creates money they don’t have control over. Statism!

    So increasing margin requirements will hurt small and medium traders plus it hurts brokerages who rely on commissions for profit. Its an anti-capitalist move that really won’t change the price of oil much since large firms have the capital plus big and small traders can also trade commodity options and other derivatives that will not be affected including………….they will trade offshore and the US losses business. Dumb move Obama.

    • Brian Darling

      This is a great thread to debate the important issues presented by Gov. Palin and Eric Bolling. Conservatives need a comprehensvie plan and President Obama seems to have a comprehensive Class Warfare campaign that we all agree will do nothing to lower the price of gas at the pump.

  • citizenkh

    Go anywhere besides West Coast Refineries?

    First it has to be produced and that is a no brainer to keep TAPS open. Second, it has to be loaded onto tanker for transport to market. Third, it would necessarily pass through the Panama Canal to get to Gulf and East Coast refineries, The TransPanama pipeline has already been reversed to ship West African crude to the West Coast.

    Last, is that Hawaian refineries have never been able to use anything but light sweet crude due lacking sufficient hydrotreater capacity and of course capacity to make more hydrogen for low sulfur grades. Alaskan crude is not low sulfur crude.

    • citizenkh

      The shale play in California is drilled and produces, it could easily put Bakken to shame. They’ll be exports of crude to keep TAPS open with ANWR, but all in all price per barrel would drop from market/supply ration, especially with absence of COST for tankers coming from North Sea, Africa & Middle East.

      Oh, we’ll still be importing, even if we become a net exporter, of crude oil. Different grades, chemistry, etc… and proper blending of feedstock makes for more efficient refining and production of desired products (it’s not all gasoline and diesel).

  • citizenkh

    an oil company may have a contract for a certain quantity of barrels of crude oil over time. Let’s take Occidental and it’s Libyan crude from the late 1970′s.

    Occidental sold, under contract, much of that crude to Conoco often traded excess crude supply and sold to other refiners. Conoco had two lightering positions, one off the East Coast and one in the Gulf of Mexico. It shuttled the crude from VLCC’s (Very Large Crude Carriers also known as supertankers) to smaller tankers, each carrying on average 380,000 bbls of crude. The crude was received at their own refinery at Lake Charles, and also sold to other refiners.

    If a refinery is built to be at optimum efficiency with 40 API crude, and buys on the open market, it will purchase say 32 API Saudi crude and blend with a very light 50 API crude to come up with the necessary feed for it’s process efficiency and products.

    The supply of crude by chemistry often fluctuates due supply production or logistics issues. A pump goes down for a planned overhaul on a pipeline and the normal flow is diminished. A hurricane enters the Gulf of Mexico and supply of 40 API crude from offshore platforms is halted for a week or longer. An earthquake off the West Coast disrupts loading of ships and traffic from Alaska.

    There will always be a NEED for physical trading to make up the right mix of feed for refineries, especially older non-updated ones such as on the East Coast.

    Feedstock to refineries is almost always a blend of crude, that is unless a refinery is built adjacent and completely tied to a field which produces more than the refinery can take. That refinery can stockpile (in some cases) enough to take advantage of brief dips in crude prices, or at least its parent company can, and thus make money in trading more than the refinery itself, which will make a few percentage points in ROI, and the parent company be quite profitable.

  • rightlane1111

    I watched the Bolling/Palin show and thought it had some very good ideas. Then…it did not take long and Obama was up and running after the show with one constant dumb beat….SPECULATORS. I think that Bolling has a good point here. Obama has turned it into another class warfare thing. How much you want to bet that his bankers are the speculators that contribute to his campaign…but that is for another day.

    Here is the question. I agree that there has to be more put down to buy futures. While I am not an oil person…I can go back into my background and look at the housing market. What.
    over-inflated the housing market? Two things….loans that were given to people who could not afford the house (poor and often times minorities) with little if not no downpayment, wherein the banks couldn’t recoup their losses…OR SPECULATORS. Imagine…here you are…the prices are going up by the week…and you can now borrow…WITHOUT COLLATERAL…real estate at 0% down….or interest only with a balloon payment. OK…you say…I will flip this thing and sell it in two years…because the prices keeps going up weekly. Well, when the first part of the grand scheme fell apart…lending to poor people…there was a shortfall for the banks. Houses started to be foreclosed on…and the prices fell. The banks lost because there wasn’t even 10% to recoup from a downpayment. Well…what about the speculators…uh oh…their 2000% profit went up in smoke because there was a glut on the market. Their balloon came due…and the property would not appraise out because everything was in foreclosure. Glut of houses on the market.

    The first part of this problem was political…so some politician could “crow” about how great the economy was doing and how the poor/minorities were being helped.

    I am for the free market…but I would like to see people put some of their money into this…if they are betting. RE Speculators really drove up the price on housing and they lost their shirts.

    I don’t know whether we will have a glut of oil on the market because of the global population…but I do believe the speculators that have nothing to lose…and the STUPID banks that lent them the money…were at fault. This is EXCLUDING the Fannie/Freddie mess…which was was genesis of the first part.

    How is oil different than the above example?

  • Brian Darling

    How about my point on the gas tax. I hope we all agree that if these programs are devolved to the states, it might lead to lower gas prices. The feds will not get to skim off money for bureaucrats to make terrible decisions on where to put highway money (and bike path monies). Currenly, the so called “highway trust fund” mandates that 10% of all funds go to non-highway projects. If the states had the freedom to not fund federally mandated bike paths and sidewalks, more money would be available for highways.

    • citizenkh

      most crude oil is not traded on the open market. All major refiners have contracts in place and supplement with crude trades whether selling or buying. the same goes for natural gas.

  • dfschim

    I watched the show on Fox and I agreed with almost all the ideas to cut the price, but I felt it didn’t go anywhere near far enough. I also don’t know why they were only taking twitter comments, that trivializes a problem that take a lot more than 140 words to solve.

    My first question is why do we even truck our goods for interstate commerce? The Democrat controlled teamsters are not our friends. Wouldn’t it make much more sense to put goods on fuel efficient trains and offload it onto local trucks when it reaches the cities? If this isn’t a proper use of the commerce clause for regulating interstate commerce then none exists. This would also save far more fuel than eliminating emission controls on big rig trucks. After sitting behind an old Diesel truck at a stoplight, who could be against cleaning up their emissions? Cutting the emission controls on trucks would hurt us, replacing long haul trucking with trains would help make the highways cleaner and safer plus it would save fuel. That makes it a win, win, win.

    EPA regulations actually do something for cleaning up our air. If you want to get rid of government interference that is totally bad you could drop the price of gas a lot more by eliminating the gas tax. That way our air remains clean and gas prices go down. I agree with Brian that this is an issue that should have been in the program but wasn’t.

    Tune ups and tire inflation are ideas from the 1970′s with carburetors and bias ply tires. They aren’t worth much for today’s cars.that monitor these things electronically and let you know if things are out of tune. There is however something that could be done to tires to help save gas. New tire compounds with silica allow tires to have a low rolling resistance saving gas, while still offering AA traction levels and earning A temperature ratings. The DOT could require all new OEM and replacement tires to have low rolling resistance plus AA traction and A temperature ratings. This would save gas and give us safer vehicles. It could be done at no cost to drivers if the federal tax on tires were repealed.

    On the issue of companies being too big to fail, government already has a tool that they need to use, the anti-trust law. Surely the largest wall street banks and oil companies should be broken up as Bell and Standard Oil were. More competition means lower prices.

    Of course the elephant in the room that wasn’t mentioned in the program or this article is power generation. The goal should be to eventually burn liquid fuel from oil only in motor vehicles,that is in cars, trucks, trains, planes and small ships. Big ships should be nuclear powered. No permits for new oil fired power plants should be issued, unless they burn waste oil. Permits for nuclear, natural gas and clean coal power plants should be streamlined and fast tracked. No permits for new homes with home heating oil should be approved. Electric heat pumps powered by all the new nuclear, natural gas and clean coal plants will be cheaper to operate and safer than oil or natural gas.

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