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Individual Mandate A Tax Or A Penalty

For conservatives, the debate over whether the individual mandate in ObamaCare is called a tax or a penalty has become a litmus test for the Romney campaign’s conservative credentials.  It should not.

Eric Fehrnstrom, Spokesman for Mitt Romney, said on MSNBC earlier this week that Romney “believes that what we put in place in Massachusetts was a penalty, and he disagrees with the court’s ruling that the mandate was a tax.”  There is nothing inherently non-conservative about this statement.  Believing that the individual mandate is not a tax is consistent with Justices Scalia, Kennedy, Thomas and Alito’s opinion that the individual mandate is not a proper exercise of the federal government’s taxing power.

Today, Mitt Romney walked back Fehrnstrom’s statement with his own declaration that the individual mandate in ObamaCare is a tax.  Conservatives should not be so hung up on the declaration of the individual mandate being called a tax or a penalty.  The goal is complete and total repeal of ObamaCare. 

Romney can call the individual mandate a tax or a penalty as long as he stays committed to full repeal.

Some conservatives can’t accept Chief Justice John Robert’s declaration that the individual mandate is a tax, therefore constitutional.  If you accept that the ObamaCare individual mandate is a tax, then you have accepted Robert’s twisted interpretation of the plain language of ObamaCare calling the individual mandate a “penalty.” You also have to accept that this new sweeping mandate forcing citizens to purchase private sector health insurance as a proper exercise of the federal government’s taxing power.  

Ilya Shapiro of the CATO Institute wrote on Scotusblog that Robert’s put a new spin on the word “tax.”

Well, as even Fox News and CNN now know, Chief Justice John Roberts put a new gloss on Congress’s taxing power just as he rediscovered the meaning of the Commerce, Necessary and Proper, and Spending Clauses.  In 13 cryptic pages, Roberts fashioned a not-quite-silk purse out of a sow’s ear, salvaging—to continue the porcine metaphor—Obamacare’s bacon from the constitutional flames.  That is, the Chief Justice recharacterized a provision explicitly stating that people “shall” obtain health insurance or pay a “penalty” into a “choice,” a “tax citi­zens may lawfully choose to pay in lieu of buying health insurance.”

Furthermore, it makes little sense for the individual mandate not to be a tax for purposes of application of the Anti-Injunction Act, an act that strips the Courts of jurisdiction to hear tax cases until a tax is levied, yet a constitutional use of Congress’ taxing power.  It is understandable for some conservatives, this one included, to hold to the belief that the individual mandate is not a constitutional exercises of the taxing authority of the federal government.  Four right thinking justices on the U.S. Supreme Court agree.

Senator Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) put out a press statement after that he believes ObamaCare to still be unconstitutional.

Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be “constitutional” does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional. While the court may have erroneously come to the conclusion that the law is allowable, it certainly does nothing to make this mandate or government takeover of our health care right. Obamacare is wrong for Americans. It will destroy our health care system. This now means we fight every hour, every day until November to elect a new President and a new Senate to repeal Obamacare.

If the Supreme Court replaced a conservative with a liberal and repealed the holdings in Heller and McDonald that the Second Amendment to the Constitution is an individual right applied to the States, the Second Amendment would not  be abolished.  The natural right of people to protect themselves would still be constitutional.  The Court would not recognize the right, but it would still exist.  There are freedoms that are not subject to the whims of nine justices on the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court does not have the last word on this subject.  The opinion of the Court may stand for generations, yet the people can send a new slate of federally elected officials to repeal the law.  The people can repeal ObamaCare, even after the Supreme Court has declared it constitutional.  Members of Congress and the President take an oath to the Constitution and they may have a different interpretation of the Constitution’s authorized taxing power than four Supreme liberals and Chief Justice Roberts.

That is why many conservatives are reluctant to embrace the idea that the mandate is a tax.  It feels like an embrace of the Robert’s opinion in the ObamaCare case.  It feels wrong to embrace an idea that many would have laughed at a week ago.  Calling the ObamaCare individual mandate a tax is a political ploy to attack ObamaCare.  I am ok with that, but don’t believe that conservatives need to embrace the idea for fear of this embrace being used in the future to justify a further expansion of the taxing power of the federal government.

Some conservatives want a wholesale tactical pivot to concede that the individual mandate in ObamaCare is a tax for the purposes of attacking it politically, and to make it easier to repeal.  It is much easier to attack the ObamaCare individual mandate politically if you can call it a tax.  

Today, they got their wish.  Mitt Romney said that the individual mandate is a tax.  Romney then used this as an opportunity to hammer Obama for breaking his promise not to hike taxes on the middle class.

Romney, as quoted in the L.A. Times said that the individual mandate is a tax hike on the middle class.

While I agreed with the dissent, that’s taken over by the fact that the majority of the court said it was a tax and therefore it is a tax. They have spoken. There’s no way around that. You can try and say you wish they’d decided it a different way, but they didn’t. They concluded it was a tax, that’s what it is, and the American people know that. There’s no way around that. You can try and say you wish they’d decided it a different way, but they didn’t. They concluded it was a tax, that’s what it is, and the American people know that President Obama has broken the pledge he made. He said he wouldn’t raise taxes on middle-income Americans.”

The President’s Solicitor General argued that the individual mandate was a tax.  By virtue of the fact that the Supreme Court accepted Obama’s arguments, this is evidence that President Obama has broken his promise to the American people not to hike taxes on the middle class. 

It also makes it easier to repeal ObamaCare if you can use the budget reconciliation procedures in Congress to repeal the mandate under the preferential treatment used for tax measures under the expedited procedures of reconciliation.  Most important being the end run around the filibuster in the Senate.

Keith Hennessey writes in the Wall Street Journal that reconciliation procedures in the Senate can be used to repeal the bulk of ObamaCare as a way to avoid a filibuster in the Senate and pass the bill with a simple majority. 

If a President Romney has cohesive and coordinated majorities in the House and Senate, a reconciliation bill could repeal the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid expansion, insurance premium and drug subsidies, tax increases (all 21 or them), Medicare and Medicaid spending cuts, its long-term care insurance program known as the Class Act, and its Independent Payment Advisory Board, a 15-member central committee with vast powers to control health-care and health markets. Chief Justice John Roberts ruled that the financial penalty enforcing the individual mandate is within Congress’s constitutional power to “lay and collect Taxes,” and that the mandate and penalty are inextricably linked. This should suffice to enable repeal, through reconciliation, of both the individual and employer mandates, and their respective penalty taxes.

Conservatives can disagree with Chief Justice John Robert’s declaration that the individual mandate in ObamaCare is a tax for constitutional purposes, yet can still attack it as a tax for the sole purpose of repealing it using reconciliation’s expedited procedures.  There is no need to pretend consistency on this point when the end goal is for a complete repeal of ObamaCare through any means necessary. This law needs to be repealed no matter how much crying comes from the left of using reconciliation for the purposes of full repeal of ObamaCare.

The bottom line is that conservatives need to not get hung up on the terminology used by Romney.  The individual mandate and every single word of ObamaCare needs to be repealed.  Call it a tax — call it a penalty — call it whatever you want.  Call it whatever gets you to full repeal.

COMMENTS

  • http://www.neoavatara.com/blog neoavatara

    It really doesn’t matter.

    Romney is the wrong person to make the argument anyway. He should stick to ‘Repeal and Replace’. Also, its the economy, stupid.

    The rest of the GOP, especially down ballot races, need to attack their opponents as big taxing power grabbing liberals. That is where the battle on Obamacare will be won or lost: in every Senate and House race.

    • APA Guy

      The American public knows full well who enforces tax collection in this country. Hiring thousands of new IRS agents to collect new taxes per Obamacare is a really, really big indicator of the nature of what is being collected.

      “Penalty” indicates something that can be avoided…like a speeding or parking ticket. In the case of Obamacare, the only way the tax can be avoided is by purchasing something that can be 3-4 times more expensive and not necessarily needed. THAT’S the difference.

      • tnfriendofcoal101368

        To collect taxes on drugs, medical supplies,insurance, indoor tanning, etc….without the health penalty tax…Obama Care is still a historic increase in the tax burden on the middle class.

        • http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

          We can play their little word game and make it work to our advantage, can’t we? It’s a “tax” (wink, wink) when we want to shackle it to Obama, the tax and spend liberal in this election. It’s a “tax (wink, wink) if we need to use reconciliation to repeal it. And by all means, we shall roll our eyes whenever we say “tax” (with air quotes) and breathe “whatever” under our breath. (can you tell I have teenagers?)

          This topic underscores the need for Romney to pick a rhetorical rock star as his VP…one who can hold his own in a battle of wits and words and won’t back down when the heat is turned up.

          Excellent diary, Brian D.!!

          • http://bit.ly/b2OIJf bobmann101

            It is a penalty tax!

          • adair

            in whose brain Saturday Night Live’s skit keeps playing and replaying: “Is it a floor cleaner or a dessert topping?”

          • adair

            nt

    • WmCraig

      The mandate to require insurance is legal under the state constitution where it was passed. Simple. It is not legal under the federal constitution and that is all the difference in the world.

      What is perfectly acceptable under the Constitution of Nancy Pelosi’s California, for example, is not necessarily constitutional in any other state. If Nancy Pelosi wants to have socialized medicine, then she should have the state of California create Pelosi care.

      The problem isn’t that Romney supported mandates as governor, the problem is Obama decided to impose mandates on everyone. If you followed the debate closely there are plenty of people who like Romney care that don’t like the idea that Nancy Pelosi is going to redefine benefits for them too.

      • trimulchio

        positioned to keep his Heritage-inspired mandatory high risk insurance coverage from becoming what RomneyCare is now. he needs to start talking about what he learned from this.

  • garfieldjl

    Whether it is a tax or not isn’t the issue. The issue is that it is an unconstitutional piece of garbage, anyone that understands the Constitution was set up to put a limit on Government, understands that fact, and Obama and the media used intimidation to bully the Supreme Court to rule the way it did.

    Obama’s been acting like he is a king or a two-bit dictator, and I got news for Obama, he is not a king and come November we’re gonna kick this royal wannabe out of the White House.

    He is not a king and if the Democrats were really concerned about this country instead of their own partisan ideology they would join the Republicans in standing up to Obama.

    • 6eorge Jetson

      for an uncertain, short-term political play. (Romney, however, is not making that trade.)

      The notion that the limits on the commerce clause were somehow protected is just gibberish. The Central Govt can now force compliance on any issue by taxing non-compliance.

      • 6eorge Jetson

        nt

      • checkmate2012

        so far!

      • wbuoni

        Exactly. ObamaCare is the small issue here. The real issue here is that Congress now has boundless coercive power, through the tax code, to punish non-compliance and mandate behavior through a tax. The individual can “choose” whether to behave as Congress demands or pay a tax. We are no better off then the serfs in the dark ages.

        Justice John Roberts is, without a doubt, the enemy of Liberty and Freedom. and all the nonsense about some “strategic long-term vision” can not change that fact. Time for Conservatives who defend this trash to take their heads out of the sand. The man is the enemy of Liberty and Freedom., and in this decision ensured Americans can no longer legitimately call themselves a free citizenry!!

        • jmike718

          Social Security and Medicare were deemed constitutional because of the same power to tax. And it was a conservative court that showed FDR the way on this for SS.

          • 6eorge Jetson

            Social Security and Medicare are taxes on income.

            The mandate to buy health insurance is a head tax on inactivity that gets waived for those that comply.

          • 6eorge Jetson

            are only loosely correlated with the programs. They are just as much a general revenue tax.

            Not that I defend those programs that are going to crumble under their own weight in the coming years, but they don’t serve as a precedent for the ObamaCare mandate.

          • 6eorge Jetson

            ,.. imposed upon individuals directly. Unfortunately, having plenty of other reasons to object to ObamaCare, the four dissenting justices in NFIB v. Sebelius did not explore this point.”

            Paul Moreno: A Short History of Congress’s Power to Tax (WSJ Editorial)

      • Flagstaff

        if Roberts thought about all the nuances that have been written and talked about this week, he completely abdicated his responsibility to the people in favor of something else that is yet to be identified.

        This is —– AAAAARRRRRRGGGHHH! I can’t stand it any more.

  • swami7774

    …”no matter what it is, one thing is certain: it’s a TERRIBLE bill and will bankrupt this country. Call it whatever you want, but it must be repealed in full.”
    End of story.

  • nepanyrush

    First, this was a well-stated and well-thought out article. Thank you.

    Second, Romney was accurate in his restatement. The Supreme Court has issued a ruling and declared Obamacare constitutional because the individual mandate is a tax. So that is what it is unless there is a subsequent ruling/bill. And the Obama administration argued that it was a tax in the Supreme Court, so the President does not have ground to stand on in saying it is not a tax.

    This is a winning statement from Romney. He did not believe it was a tax and thus did not lie to the Massachusetts people. Obama argued it was a tax, as did some Democrats, so he did betray the people. At any rate, the slimy Obama camp will use this ruling anyway to make ads saying Romney raised taxes on the middle class in MA, so Romney might as well keep the same ammo to use against Obama.

    • garfieldjl

      Since Obama did argue it was a tax and then is arguing it isn’t a tax…

      Roberts ruling could be interpretted as saying that if Obama is saying it isn’t a tax, then Obamacare wouldn’t be constitutional…

      • acat

        that the Supremes got it wrong… at least, except to the mind-numbed robots who are going to vote for him anyway.

        Mew

        • garfieldjl

          Whenever Obama starts claiming it isn’t a tax, Romney can say: “So Mr. President you’re saying that your core piece of legislation is unconstitutional, because the Court said it’s only constitutional if it is considered a tax…”

          • acat

            “Mr. President, are you saying the Supreme Court, the same court that upheld Obamacare, was in error?”

            (imply Obama is questioning the constitutionality of his creation)

            Mew

            (as a conlaw teacher, one would expect obama to be better than this)

          • septembergurl

            Romney’s answer was fine: the Supreme Court says it’s a tax, so it’s a tax. That works for romney because he is arguing that Obamacare is a tax, but Romneycare is a mandate. Thus, when Obama says, you raised taxes in Massachusetts for Romneycare, Romney says no I didn’t. Because the SC did not rule on Romneycare, they ruled on Obamacare, and it’s a tax.

            Or it’s unconstitutional. There’s really no way Romney can lose this argument .

          • commonsenseobserver

            In the legislative text. Mitt was more honest than President Zero can ever be. But Mitt’s statement is still correct.

          • septembergurl

            In the interview with crawford tonite that I saw Romney made the argument that the mandate was understood as a penalty by everyone in Mass, that it was furthermore held that states have the ability through police power to compel citizens via mandates, penalties and these are not taxes. That the federal government does not have these police powers and therefore the mandate was unconstitutional at the federal level (as Roberts found). Romney stated he agreed with the minority dissent but that view did not prevail. He was quite fluent and persuasive, if somewhat facile, with this argument.

    • goodgovernance

      Good for him. That the mandate is a tax is a clear argument people can understand, and one the public will be hearing from the Supreme Court, GOP candidates, and conservatives in general, from last week through Election Day and beyond.

      As to whether Romney’s plan in Massachusetts raised taxes, honestly, does it really matter in the general election. That would have been an issue in the primaries, but in the general swing voters aren’t going to turn against Romney because he might or might not have raised taxes in Massachusetts. Compared to the Democrat candidate, the Republican candidate looks better on the tax issue every time.

      • tnfriendofcoal101368

        The problem is Ferhnstrom flubbed it so spectacularly that Romney had to pick up the ball for him. The original message that was intended was the one Henneberg gave the next day: “the mandate is an unconstitional penalty or a tax. Governor Romney believes unconstitutional penalty and so it should repealed. What does Barack Obama believe?” The idea being to put Obama in a box of saying it either needs to repealed or it is a tax. I don’t believe conservatives would have had issue with that.

        In an election, the candidate should never have to carry his staff’s water (it should be the other way around). This makes the second time, Romney has had to carry a Fehrnstrom mistake; there shouldn’t be a third (though Fehrnstrom will always have a special place in my heart for #ObamaDogRecipes).

  • Cheetah772

    I’ve always wondered why couldn’t Roberts still join the four dissenting justices and base their dissent on limiting the Commerce Clause AND rejecting the argument that the individual mandate is a tax, thus still limiting the extent to what Congress can levy a tax? I would think in this case, one can have the cake and eat it.

    What is to prevent the Court from rejecting the argument on multiple grounds?

    I understand Roberts may be thinking of keeping the Court out of political fights and preserving the judicial independence, but I think this is the perfect case of where overthinking can be a dangerous thing.

    What do you say?

    • westcoastpatriette

      Your question is not clear to me. It sounds like you are asking why couldn’t Roberts join the dissent and strike the ACA down on both counts — under the Commerce Clause and under the Taxing Power. If that is your question, the answer is he could have but Roberts clearly did not want to strike the law down and twisted himself into a pretzel to justify upholding it. The dissenting judges disagreed with Roberts opinion that the penalty is a tax and the four liberal judges would have sold their own grandmother in order to uphold it so they were more than happy to agree with Roberts and call it a tax so they could push Socialism on the country.

      Don’t know if that answers your question. The truth is, Roberts made a mess of this case for reasons no one but he himself knows fully. I guess if he were King Solomon, he would have cut the baby in half to satisfy both of the women who claimed the child was theirs rather than see through the manipulation and save the innocent child.

      • checkmate2012

        n/t

    • wbuoni

      Who cares what the man’s supposed intentions were. The Court is no more independent today then it was two weeks ago, and it id no more independent then had they ruled the other way.

      At the end of the day this man’s actions were nothing less then cowardly, especially given the reports he thought the law was unconstitutional. He had to work hard to give justification for the decision he wanted. This was politics pure and simple … for all we know he was looking for approval of the folks he socializes with ion the DC circuit.

      Justice John Roberts is the enemy of Liberty and Freedom.. How folks can argue otherwise is beyond me.

  • commonsenseobserver

    It is a tax disguised as penalty.

    • checkmate2012

      on big issues. Take a stand and own it and we’ll respect you all the more. Just saying that you’ve claimed “both ways” on more than one BIG issue and clarity is best.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    If it is to be repealed, it will be through reconciliation.

    And the only way that we can use reconciliation is if it’s a tax.

    So if Romneyites go around calling it a penalty then their words will be thrown back in their faces if/when they try to be rid of it.

    Perception matters and statements matter as Chief Weak Knees Roberts showed us after being goaded by the liberal press into making this horrible decision.

  • WmCraig

    Thanks to the movement that brought Woodrow Wilson to power and gave us the 16th and 17th Amendments.

    If conservatives are serious about controlling the taxing power of Congress the only solution is to repeal both amendments and restore the real checks and balances that the frames of the constitution provided.

    Taxes are collected by the states, not the federal government.
    People vote representatives for Congress, it is the peoples house.
    Governors appoint the Senate, to act as the brakeman on a runaway idea.
    And most importantly, the states collect and allocate their taxes for all domestic policy, while the federal government concentrates on foreign relations, and those limited internal matters that the states require of it.

    If the Pelosi Congress had tried to ram ObamaCare through Congress with the founders checks and balances in place we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

    So the solution in the long run is to recognize the 3 mistakes that were made 100 – 108 years ago and repeal them all. We are a third of the way there already. The 18th is gone.

  • teapartypatriot4ever

    What Obamacare really is, is not only a massive federal govt tax increase across the board, it is a massive bureaucratically govt run system, that puts govt costs before the patient, which also directly leads to so the called bureaucratic death panels by nameless faceless bureaucrats in some room on Washington DC.. But also and most importantly, it suffocates people’s freedom choice and right to that freedom of choice, thus allows the flood of govt sanctioned oppression and tyranny to flow wide open, as what will be next, force the people to buy govt vegetables, TV’s, broccoli, cars, homes, and Obama bonds and Obama books by penalty of fine or imprisonment, etc and so on, which is already starting to happen.. All of this will ultimately lead to a complete all powerful totalitarian authoritarian Marxist State Regime that can and will run roughshod over the American people with absolute impunity.. That’s what this is all about, the end result.

  • GeneralAl

    What matters now is everyone needs to put their egos aside and help dump that Communist Kenyan and his teleprompter, Replace Digger O’harry Reid [With anyone except Puppet OcConnell!], and vote this stupid concoction into oblivion. The libs will get their welfare people, their illegals, and their felons to the polls. We need a nation wide copy of the Scott Walker recall election to put this nation back together! Tax or Mandate, its still crap and Roberts is a wimp!

  • Lee

    Roberts majority opinion (with the liberal concurrance) guts more than one liberal tennant. With essentially a nine to nothing vote on these conservative/constitunal issues he could not have got them passed had he not found the one objectional clause constitutional. Also by making it a tax it can be repealed without a Senate filibuster. Me thinks that Justice Roberts is more clever than the majority realize.

    • Brian Darling

      To uphold ObamaCare any way you slice it. He had the power to strike it down and he did not. Conservatives need to stop pretending that the Robert’s opinion is “brilliant.” Liberals can believe that the Robert’s opinion is clever, but conservatives should look at it as intellectually flawed.

      • tnfriendofcoal101368

        As I have looked at this, my belief is that Roberts did want to strike down the individual mandate but not the entire law but the conservative justices and Kennedy saw the entire law as unconstitutional due to it’s nature as a power grab from the states (i.e. federalism). Kennedy has called federalism one of the great gifts to mankind from the founders and he along with Scalia, Alito and Thomas were not willing to say the mandate is unconstitutional and the rest of the law was.

        Roberts has a fundamental belief that the Supreme Court should not overturn laws of the people unless they were egregiously unconstitutional and he found the 10th amendment case unconvincing against the entire law unconvincing. He did not have the votes on the liberal side to throw out the mandate and the conservatives and Kennedy would not bend on the 10th amendment argument against the entire law.

        Roberts found himself in a pickle; he either had to uphold the entire law or strike down the entire law. Given this, he looked for an out to uphold the mandate while not explicitly saying the commerce clause argument was correct. The liberal judges were willing to bend that much (because Roberts was handing them a victory).

        I guess I am trying to believe the best (i.e. Roberts found the argument to strike down the entire law as a violation of the 10th amendment as unconvincing and it was all or nothing) and not assume the worst (a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court disgraced himself and his the Court by bowing to outside pressure). I hope I am right but in either case this is not a clever play by Roberts to give conservatives a victory. He leaves us however with the removal of Obama and the Democrats as the only choice.

  • ihateliberals

    It doesn’t matter what Obama thinks or Romney thinks about whether it is a tax or a penalty the High Court has declared it a tax and therefor it is. It isn’t open to debate anymore. Romney’s statement about it being a penalty not a Tax is being used to paint him as an Obama supporter in the matter. The fact of the matter whether or not is a tax or not isn’t even the issue what the issue is do we want the Federal Government in control of our health care. This is the point or argument that Romney and others seem to be avoiding. do we want the death Panels dolling out care based on decision of politicians and not ourselves. Do we want to be 80 years and get cancer and be refused treatment because of our age. This is possible under Obamacare. This then becomes a old age desease that only the Rich can get treatment for since they can pay for it out of pocket or be a Senator that was exempted form Obamacare.

    • septembergurl

      Romney did not make a statement declaring the mandate is a penalty. That was his spokesman Fehrnstrom.. Romney stated that it is a tax. This is actually an important point both politically (because Obama claims it is not a tax) and substantively, as the bill can be repealed more easily as a tax in the Senate.

  • msctex

    . . .one important thing seems to be being overlooked. We can, should and will argue about whether taking away the Commerce Clause protection was worth a nearly concomitant acknowledgement/establishment of Gov’t taxation power, and all the future implications thereof. That is why it is so nice to be among the grownups: such arguments can be powerful from two sides, yet all aimed at a shared common good.

    But, what is NOT getting sufficient attention, as far as I have read, is the fact the Dems are NOT HAPPY. Our “Constitutional Scholar”-in-Chief apparently managed to somehow sidestep the issue completely in his weekly radio address, and whatever Twitter crowing that took place last week lasted about thirty minutes, until the smarter ones began to realize their “win” could not be easily explained, if at all.

    I just can’t get past the thought that if Roberts intended to screw us all over, he did a lousy job of it. This thing being relegated/returned to Congress is the last thing the Dems could possibly have wanted, as they know it is an imposition, as opposed to a desire on the part of the populace.

    It’s much harder to make someone learn to love something, when they have a say in the matter, and at the very least, that is what Roberts allowed us.

  • jude68

    Is what people are left with and quite frankly it means nothing. The ruling stands as it is now. Whether people like it or not and it was called a TAX! The grey area rests in the way Roberts did it, we know it was not Constitutional which is what enrages the overwhelming majority of us.

    That being said to keep debating that really at this point will not moves us forward. We all know one thing: If Obama wins the Presidency in Nov….ALL OF US that are complaining one way or another are going to have TO LIVE UNDER THIS ALBATROSS and all of our LOVED ONES!!

    So get with it and stop worrying about the Roberts debate and MOVE FORWARD!! We must elect CONSERVATIVES and we must get ROMNEY ELECTED!! All the rest is nothing but fodder!!

    Because if we keep getting sidetracked by issues instead of getting where WE MUST be our country is in big trouble. We need to unite in what must be done to win!!

    I know many love the philosophical debate but this is REAL WORLD now! Obama MUST be put on the defensive over the OBAMATAX and he must be continually hit over the ECONOMY!

    Romney MUST educate people over the Costs in MONEY AND FREEDOM with Obamatax and what this Marxist has done to the Economy!

    Please keep our eyes on the goal….we are letting the debate on this issue sidetrack the right and conservatives and letting the real Marxist fly under the radar!

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