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Flawed Long-shots vs. The Enemy Within

Final thoughts on the DE Senate primary.

Well, it’s the primary election day in Delaware and all that can be said has been I suppose. Regardless, I will go ahead an throw my two cents in for the record.

This has probably been one of the most frustrating primaries this campaign season, for all of us. Whether it was O’Donnell surrogates refusing to accept reality regarding Castle’s vote to “Impeach Bush” – suspension of disbelief is not a conservative trait – or, Castle surrogates engaging in an orchestrated ad hominem campaign – also not a conservative trait – fueled largely by opposition research originally done by a young journalist who tried to take down the Jindal administration … everyone has a valid complaint.

Many people who I read/listen to, and have respect for, have let me down. Some let me down in their defense of O’Donnell, some in their promotion of Castle. Even so, nearly all have redeeming qualities that will help wash away the possibility of any long harbored animosity being the end result.

In a perfect world we would have been able to enjoy a primary on the issues. An ideological debate over the hearts and minds of the Delaware Republican party and greater electorate. Unfortunately, any chance of that died in the womb when Castle refused to even debate his opponent. This was the first step in many that led to a particularly noxious and bitter fight. The stage was set.

It helped nothing when O’Donnell surrogates decided to throw gas on the fire by floating childish rumors that have no place in a campaign. This was the announcement, even though not specifically from the O’Donnell campaign per se, that no rules applied from here on out.

This break of common decency, in my opinion, is what caused places like NRO and the Weekly Standard to speak up on this race. They way I see it, they probably would have rather stayed silent of Delaware – I mean, it’s Delaware – but the bombshell tactics required push back. Now, this isn’t an endorsement of their logic mind you, I disagree with the idea that the most liberal Republican in the House is better than a flawed conservative.

Most troubling of all? The use of Buckley and Reagan as clubs to facilitate these ad hominem attacks, and again, there are few innocents in this. Even here at RedState you can’t make a comment on this race without either being called a RiNO, or having your arguments written off as emotional drivel lacking in logic. The immediate desire to attribute mischievous goals, rather than good faith motives, to those we debate has taken a mighty toll. Even I have some fault here.

In the end I think this race helped expose a growing division that will ultimately need to be addressed before 2012. I encourage everyone to put their big boy pants on for that debate, as opposed to what we have done in this pre-game warm up.

For the record, I am still pulling for O’Donnell. For me, it comes down to what I stated in my title:

“Flawed Long-shots vs. The Enemy Within”

She won’t take my guns, she won’t charge me for breathing, and she believes I am a free man.

Is she crazy? Maybe, but I am firmly in the blow stuff up column, so I can work that into a positive.

Aaron B. Gardner

P.S. Tomorrow, the real fight starts. Conservative in the primary, Republican in the general. Become it.

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  • rdelbov

    I have stated my view and I too hate this choice.

    I would vote for Castle if I lived in DE but Providence has placed me in TN. I am thankful for that. I personally think we see the worse of choices in DE.

  • chihank

    Heading into tonight, some Redstate posters just want the DE Senate primary winner to be declared quickly and more on from the endless debate over Castle vs O’Donnell. What if the DE Senate primary enters recount territory and the Castle and O’Donnell continue to trade barbs while the recount process takes place. Such a bitter fight could render both Castle and O’Donnell unelectable.

    A reocunt is not out of the question. Look at the governor races in GA and WY. The winner of those primaries won by less than 1%.

    I expect the winner of the DE primary win by 1-2%. Its going to be a long night.

  • eburke

    I want O’Donnell to win this for the reasons Aaron stated but dear God, if you’re merciful, please give us a winner one way or the other tonight.

  • eburke

    I agreed with your conclusion :-)

    But your closing absolutely nailed it. No matter what any of us thought before about either of these candidates, one of them will be our nominee tomorrow. It is incumbent upon each of us to get behind whoever that is.

    I haven’t made it a big secret that I think that Castle has an abysmal voting record that far ourweighs whatever warts Christine has, and that I am beyond appalled at the scorched earth tactics of the GOP Establishment in this race.

    But having said that for the last time, if Castle wins this thing, I will be *all over* the first O’Donnell supporter that even looks like they’re going to take their ball and go home because they didn’t get their way. If McDonnell wins, I’ll gob-smack the first gloating O’Donnell supporter who shows up on here to rub it in.

    I fully expect that my brothers and sisters on the other side of this Great Kerfluffle will do the same.

  • danasdaddy

    Regardless of who wins tonight – and IMHO both are flawed in some way – we need to put the nastiness of the primary behind us no later than when the winner is declared. No matter who the nominee ends up being, we’ve got to support them if for no other reason than to deny Obama another rubber-stamp vote on every issue. I think we can all agree that neither Castle or McDonnell would have the same voting pattern as Coons.

  • philipjames

    The argument for Castle is a mathematical one. Nothing else. He has no conservative redeeming values except he has an R after his name.

    You can always find an excuse to take the easy road. But, if conservatives want to clean up the Republican Party, then it will be a battle and a war between the entrenched butt kissers and back slappers now in power and the fresh, idealistic clean up the mess new Conservatives banging at the door.

    You know who I look to and have for over two years now? Sarah Palin. She has been the lightning rod for all the liberal attacks and has inspired the silent majority of conservatives to be proud to be conservative and to speak up and “not sit down and shut up”. She gave them the courage to go to town hall meetings and finally say they were fed up with the government. She was the only bright spot of the 2008 election and without her, Republican voters would have stayed home because of that tired out old fart McCain. Yet, when she was attacked by the liberals and even Republicans (McCain staff, the talking heads on TV, the genius political advisors that screwed up the Republican Party in the first place, and even snide remarks from the leadership, etc.) the Republican Party never defended her. At least not for a year and not until the Tea Party movement and the town halls scared the sh*t out of the Republican Establishment idiots and they figured they better pay attention and oh, by the way, Sarah Palin is part of the Tea Party movement…. ooops. But, just to show just how idiotic the leadership is we get a comment like…. ” once they elections are over and we get back in power, we will co-opt the movement”.
    You know what…. in 8 years all these corrupt, slick, butt kissing and back slapping jerks will get pushed out and the Republican Party might actually stand for something good.

  • JSobieski

    http://www.redstate.com/jsobieski/2010/09/14/establishment-republicans-dc-ruling-class-types-and-rinos-a-conservatives-humble-request/

  • Mayhem

    So sick of this race. I never want to hear “Delaware primary” ever again. Cursed be the Delaware primary! These past two weeks watching the Right tear itself apart, limb from limb, has been excruciating. It will so be over, though, and not a moment to soon.

    Anyway, go Christine.

  • deano64

    Aaron. I didn’t find it here.

  • cordpt

    We need 100% conservatives.

    And from that perspective, O’Donnell and Castle are both the same. So, I prefer the one who won’t embarrass conservatism because he doesn’t claim to be one of them.

    I’m not worried about cleaning up the Republican party. That’s not a priority of mine. I want to clean up the conservative movement. I want to get rid of self-proclaimed conservatives whose politics and character reflects poorly on the conservative movement, I want to get rid of inconsistent conservatives, I want to get rid of untrustworthy conservatives – that’s my priority.

  • http://stixblog.com Black River Wolf

    I am a O’Donnell supporter and do not see how having Castle as the GOP candidate will help the Conservative cause in any way.
    With that said , if Castle does win, we must all pull the big boy pants up and get behind him. And stop throwing the poo at each other.

    There are bigger fish to fry than opponents in the primaries. Castle is the most liberal CONgress critter for the GOP, but he is better than almost all Democrats.

    Tomorrow is the time to unite behind whoever wins, and stop the eating of our own. Firing at each other does nothing but help our true enemies.

  • redcometchar2010

    I don’t live in DE so my opinion really doesn’t matter. I want Castle to win because I want to win the seat. However, if O’Donnell wins, my hat’s off to her and I’ll wish her the best. You’ll never see or hear an unkind thing about her from me until the election is over. I hope that if Castle wins, that people who supported O’Donnell have the class to tip their caps and help Castle win the seat. We have primaries for a reason (why in SEPTEMBER I have no idea), but in the end, I hope we can realize that we are on the same side and can move forward. Remember what Lincoln said, “A house divided against itself cannot stand,” Well, a movement divided against itself cannot stand either.

  • spainishirish

    but after they sort this out, we need to make certain the next senator there has an “R” by his or her name, no matter how flimsy or flawed. I cannot add anything to what has been written here today other than this ain’t a hill worth dying on and people need to get a grip.

  • traversecityconservative

    I think this race exposed a few things that need exposing…

    1. Establishment Republicans will support the “good old boys” (or girls) at every turn. They don’t want real change. They don’t really understand – or agree with – what’s going on in the country. I don’t know how many times I need to say this but county and state Republican parties should NOT be endorsing people in the primaries. And the more times we give the establishment a run for their money, the better – whether we win or lose. They need to get a clue.

    2. The tea party movement is about principles and ideology, not Republicans, and we are not going anywhere. Yes, it might mean losing a seat in the Senate by actually having a Conservative candidate to vote for. But what have we really lost by having a liberal there who happens to have an “R” after his name? Is it obvious to these idiots in the establishment yet that we will no longer accept Rinos?

    3. Never put your faith in others, even if you think they’re on your “side.” That goes for politicians and for fellow Conservatives. When the you-know-what hits the fan, we will all be disappointed when we get involved in contests that involve money and power. Lines get drawn and people will disagree on strategy even when they agree on other more important things. All we can do is make the best decision we can based on available information. There aren’t really good and bad people in this debate – just different opinions on how to achieve the goal that we all agree on.

    4. The P.S. in your POST is where it’s at. We battle ourselves and then move on to the war together.

  • Mary Beth
  • vmo335

    the eyes of conservatives that have recently awakened and become active. The ruling class republicans are not necessarily our friends. We are a threat to their power as well. This move to constitutional discipline will take more than one election cycle. Boehner, Cantor and McConnell are riding the wave right now. If they don’t become true believers in constitutional conservatism that wave will wash them out of DC too.

  • AF Sarge (Ret)

    If the one that doesn’t come out on top, IMMEDIATELY, throws their support for the one that DID come out on top, maybe even in their concession speech. These career pols are really getting tiresome with their “it’s MY seat, and I’ll get it somehow!” attitudes (think FL, AK for starters).

    I don’t get how one R can beat a D by 20 points, but thenwe hear that it gets turned it around by an R losing by 20+ points. Aren’t all the R’s getting behind the nominee? I think if the rule “consevative in the primary, Republican in the general” holds, there’s no D that can win, no matter what state.

    Sarge

  • penguin2

    It certainly has been a contentious primary between the candidates, and their supporters, which we have seen played out here at RedState. But as you said, the most important point to us is what everyone does tomorrow.

    I like your P.S.

  • Bill S

    If it’s a choice between a 52% conservative and a Democrat, I’ll take the 52 every time. The “teach ‘em a lesson” theory will bring us continued Democrat dominance.

  • Bill S

    I’m rooting for a scoreless tie.

  • zornorph

    O’Donnell is no conservative. Either way, I just hope this race ends early. If she wins, I’ll just silently take DE of my list of Senate seats that I expect the GOP to pick up and say no more about it. And my money will go to other candidates who I feel have a better chance of winning and who I trust more to advance my issues.

  • Robert Allen Leeper

    For what it’s worth, I favored Castle from the start, for reasons well stated by Dan McLaughlin’s post yesterday. But if O’Donnell wins I will be 100% behind her, and if she goes on to win the general, I will seriously reconsider my view on “Flawed Long-shots vs. The Enemy Within”.

  • http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

    But when it comes to the general, just remember what I had to keep telling myself when I pulled the McCain lever in ’08:

    half an elephant is always better than one ass, whole.

  • pilgrim

    I am hoping there are no problems counting the votes, and a clear winner is determined early. There has been so much white hot anger by the supporters of both candidates that needs to be chilled. I’ve also seen remarks by radio and TV personalities taken like a dagger to the heart by some folks. Switch channels or something, but don’t hold on to all that hate.

  • chipbennett

    Grassroots conservatives need to put on our Big Boy Pants, politically speaking.

    We need to learn how to have ideological, strategic, and tactical disagreements without the internecine warfare. We need to learn how to vet candidates, early and thoroughly. We need to learn how to direct our campaign contributions, early, often, and effectively. We need to learn how to pick candidates, and pick our battles.

    But you know what? All of those are growing pains. That we are now experiencing such growing pains is a positive sign, long-term., as people who are just starting to get involved in the political process grow and mature.

    I love the TEA party movement. It has gotten a whole lot of otherwise uninvolved or apathetic conservatives motivated once again to make their voices heard, and to be a part of the process. But just like we conservatives had to learn how to protest (our friends on the Left have had that down since the 1960s), we also, collectively, need to develop the savvy, skills, and strategic maturity required for the political process.

    And once we do: it’s lights out for liberalism.

  • Pazquackman_of_Delaware

    there are a lot of differences between the two R’s.

    One candidate is in the center and appeals to Democrats, independents, and Republican, so he gets substantial support from moderate Democrats (who outnumber Republicans 2:1. This is something a lot of people miss).

    The other candidate is on the very conservative end who gets no support from Independents or any Democrats. Plus, O’Donnell’s baggage plays a role in this as well.

    All the R’s will get behind Castle because he is the most conservative out of him and Coons. However, a lot of moderate R’s, you can call them Rinos, are closer to Coons then to O’Donnell. So they, and all of the Independents, will vote for Coons.

    It seems that so many people here don’t get how liberal a state Delaware is. Even the Delaware Republicans (i.e. Roth) for the past 20 years have been on the liberal side of the Republican party.

  • AF Sarge (Ret)

    But that brings up my thoughts if the Lib R should lose in the primary, wouldn’t his endorsement/and request that his supporters back the Con R make a difference in the race? I keep seeing that NO R’s (left or right) would support the conservative, making a sure thing for the D?

    And I do apologise, I don’t know much about the political makeup of many states, my main concern is helping turn WA red :)

    Sarge

  • renny

    even if they seem imperfect or not really cons. Numbers in the Congress and Sen. count.

  • SirGladiator

    Well said Aaron, very good point. For me the weird thing was always that there were so many people who actually said they’d rather support a liberal than a Conservative, simply because the liberal had a better chance of winning. Of course by that logic you’d be voting for Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, etc. I would never vote for a liberal against a Conservative even if the liberal had a 99.9 percent chance of winning and the Conservative had a 0.1 chance of winning, because I’m a Conservative, and the liberal’s ‘extra chance of winning’ isn’t a selling point to me. It’s like “So you’re telling me he supports big taxes, bigger government, abortion, gun control, big labor, cap and tax, etc.? That sounds pretty bad….oh, but he can WIN? Well great, that’s exactly what we need in Washington, somebody who can win, sign me up!”, I’ll confess I dont really get that :) .

    Now that the Primaries are coming to a close, hopefully we can unite behind the common Conservative themes of lower taxes, less spending, smaller Government, Life, Marriage, etc. and hopefully by the time 2012 comes around fewer people will be willing to support liberals over Conservatives simply because they’re perceived to have an easier road to victory. Victory is the same as defeat if its with a liberal. Conservative in the Primary, Republican in the General, a principle that hopefully more people will follow next time.

  • eburke

    Republicans shouldn’t have to support the nominee because she’s too conservative but the conservatives should/will get behind Castle?

    And how does Christine’s ‘baggage’ rankle the mods and lib Republicans any; more than Castle’s liberal voting record rankle conservatives?

  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    If they will be *mavericks* and vote with the dems to destroy America?

    I’d rather see a dem take a seat than a RINO.

    My state foisted Arlen, the penultimate RINO, on the nation’s stage. Sorry about that… but at least he’s out this winter after showing his true colors (and senility) so blatantly that even the dimmest in PA got it.

    Isn’t there something inherently wrong with RINO’s campaigns that act like dem campaigns to absolutely divide, smear and destroy their conservative opposition? I’m all for throwing out just about any incumbent, either side of the aisle – especially supposed conservatives with no guts to stand up to evil. Actions match morals or a lack of and the lack of is what is hurting us all. To me it is a question of principles because those without principles are the ones who have landed us in the current mess. Sending the RINO’s back only invites more back stabbing for America by them.

  • eburke

    The only vehicle for conservatives is the GOP. To clean up the ‘conservative movement’ requires cleaning up the vehicle in which the conservative movement rides.

    You can distinguish in your own mind all you want that you want to clean up the conservative movement, and Castle doesn’t bother you because he doesn’t claim to be a conservative. But the average voter doesn’t parse this anywhere close to the way you do.

    The Mike Castle’s of this world destroy the GOP brand every bit as much as teh Tom DeLay’s because each of them supported legislation which blurs the distinction between the Democrats and the Republicans, except Castle and his ilk do it at a rate that far exceeds the faux conservatives.

    You can clean up every conservative apostate in the Party and as long as the moderate/liberal wing of the party is around to cast votes for bills such as DISCLOSE and Cap & Tax, the MFM will put the pateena of ‘bipartisanship’ on those bills and when they prove to be disastrous, the vehicle into which we must place the conservative movement is damaged.

    And in the public’s mind, there is no distinguishing between a conservative acting like a moderate/liberal and a moderate/liberal acting like a moderate/liberal. It’s *all* the same Party to them.

  • eburke
  • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

    My “big boy pants” is to not live in denial of Mike Castle’s miserable voting record in 40+ years of office.

  • Bill S

    “I’m rooting for injuries”

    but that wouldn’t have been nice.

    The point is: I don’t like either option.

  • eburke
  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    Castle is not part of the movement. The movement is not divided against itself, it is directly against the likes of Castle and other RINOs.

    Although it may be predominantly “conservative” in nature it is a counter revolutionary concept in that the movement is born of people being sick of the *power players* and pro-politickers who care more about getting a chairmanship than going against the grain of the left’s attempt to shove socialism on America sooner than later.

    In a sense the O’s election was a good thing – The frog was slowly being boiled until the O’s administration turned up the heat on all the burners-the frog is kicking to not be boiled and doesn’t care who gets splashed when survival is on the line. The RINOs would hold the frog down so the O can can finish boiling it. That’s the problem in a nutshell with RINOs. Better the dems own it or we send non-RINOs to defeat it.

  • eburke

    primaries.

    We did that in UT, FL, PA, KY, CO, and AK. We didn’t do it in AZ and IL. We’ll see tonight what we do in DE.

    But the bottom line is, once the “RINO” has won our nomination, he automatically becomes the better candidate. In some cases, like NV & KY, there’s a huge difference; in others, like IL, the difference is smaller.

    But there’s still a difference. And if we want better candidates to vote for in the General, we need to recruit and better fund conservative candidates in the primaries (if we’d have done so in AZ, I believe Johnny Mac would have been history this year. The man spent $21 million to run against a guy w/zero name recognition and a guy who was a walking gaffe machine and he *still* only got 56% of the vote).

    But that’s all spilled milk, water under the bridge, etc. I can’t stand Mike Castle’s liberal voting record. I seethe at the GOP Establishment’s scorched earth policy once again in a primary to back a moderate/liberal candidate.

    But if Mike Castle wins this, he’s *our* candidate starting tomorrow morning and he’s better than Chris Coons (marginally IMHO, but still better). If we want to take him out in 2014 because he continues to vote more like a Democrat than he does a Republican, then the good conservative folks in DE need to get inside their Party as Precinct Committeemen, take it back, and get a better challenger next time.

  • jccbin

    Pistols at ten paces?

    Only if every election is settled this way. Talk about clearing out the “ruling class” in a hurry!

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    And BTW, Sarah Palin is no more a “conservative” when actions and governing are required than Mike Castle is. Different issues, same result.

  • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

    Democrat dominance came about when we had the numbers, but did not use that to advance principles.

  • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

    ESPECIALLY this year, is just preposterous.

  • aesthete

    Hopefully with little money given to either candidate.

  • aesthete

    This same debate to the nth power, in addition to the always fun SoCon vs libertarian , populist vs technocrat, compassionate conservative vs fiscal conservative, and civil liberties vs NatCon arguments are all going to be present to a great degree in the Presidential elections. If we don’t learn how to debate among ourselves regarding merits without resorting to name calling or fraudulent debate, we’re not going to have a productive primary season in 2012.

  • smitch61

    Castle if he wins tonight? or the Dem?..hm mmm, choices.

  • Irish

    We can now say hello to Obama’s judicial candidates being rubber stamped through, as there is no no chance that the Democrats lose their majority in the senate.

  • chamberD

    Are you, cordpt, content with a candidate who promotes the killing of the unborn?

    If so, perhaps you are a libertarian and not a conservative.

  • fideist

    That is all I want to say — thank you.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    The opponents are Reid, Obama, Pelosi. They are the ones that want the babies who actually SURVIVE an abortion procedure locked in a closet and allowed to die from neglect so that no abortion can fail to terminate a human life. Capice?

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack
  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    The backstabbing they do later on in the name of *bipartisanship* and going along to get along is far more dangerous than letting the other side have free reign to do their thing at such an accelerated pace that they both own it and get the backlash later on.

  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    So…. settle it with shotguns at 10 feet instead…

    Automatic, fully loaded, no vests, no proxies, no EMTs and no appointing replacements afterward…

    Just trying to be thorough on the concept…

    Of course it might lead to more concessions and such but there it is…