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The Late Term Abortion of a Conservative Resurgence

Yep, we're still the Stupid Party

In 2009 we began a conservative resurgence. We had just witnessed a stunning economic intervention from the Bush administration, and were now facing an expansion of government. President Obama, with a complicit Congress, had charted a course that included giveaways to every left wing pipe dream couched as stimulus. Conservatives and libertarians formed a loose coalition and took to the streets to seek redress.

As the movement gained strength and popularity, the Obama administration decided to flex its muscles and force even greater socialist schemes on the people of this nation. The passage of Obamacare, while an absolute defeat for smaller government, served as a rallying cry that strengthened our resolve.

In 2010 we put down the protest signs and picked up campaign signs. We made errors, but more importantly, we took back the House. Unfortunately, we didn’t change our leadership. Betrayals and half measures served to squash the optimism that had been prevalent.

As we began pondering the 2012 GOP candidates, there was a palpable pessimism. The field was unworthy of the conservative resurgence that had returned the House to our control. We were all awaiting a champion.

Pence declined, Palin declined, Daniels, Christie, Jindal, Ryan, none would step forward.

Then, something happened. Governor Perry heard the call and threw his hat into the ring. For a moment, we were optimistic about our primary.

What we didn’t know was that our new champion would stumble. Gov. Perry was recovering from a back surgery and half his state was on fire. Gov. Perry was fighting to get assistance from the federal government due to the level of destruction that was occurring, to no avail.

Those who were against the Governor’s entrance into the race quickly sprang to action. They berated him for possibly missing debates, then chastised him for debating while his state was on fire. Unable to assail the Texas economic record, they – the candidates and the pundits – shifted the focus and attempted to paint Gov. Perry as soft on illegal immigration, in favor of forced government inoculations, and worst of all, as a crony capitalist.

Admittedly, Gov. Perry failed to nip this in the bud and expose that the majority of these complaints were nothing more that projection from the other candidates. Personally, I believe that the Governor’s back issues held him back. Additionally, I think he fell into a trap of trying to take out Mitt Romney.

I don’t think it is fair to lay all the blame on the Governor though. I truly believe that a significant portion of the blame can be put at our own feet. A healthy skepticism of those in power had transformed into an unhinged paranoia. Gardasil was one instance, secret Islamist was another.

Despite the Governor improving after the early debates, the narrative was set and he had been crowned the stupid candidate.

Since then the front runners have all been politicians who have supported the individual mandate, including Santorum, or a CEO on a book tour.

This is what our pessimism and borderline paranoia have brought us to. We have rejected the only three candidates in the race that have never supported an individual mandate. Those being, Gov. Huntsman, Gov. Perry, and Rep. Paul. Paul is a racist lunatic who should be purged from the party. Gov. Huntsman decided early on that courting conservatives would be a losing strategy. In hindsight, Gov. Huntsman was right, but for the wrong reasons. Gov. Perry is still the natural choice for movement conservatives and those who joined the Tea Party movement in 2010.

Unfortunately, it appears we have decided that we can forgive bad policy records easier than we can forgive poor debate performances. The bar is high for us to prove we are serious and victory requires calm, consistent, focused, calculated effort.

In the last century, every conservative resurgence has fizzled out in the course of a few years. This has become the expectation, and the saving grace of the ruling class. If they simply hold out long enough, they know that we will lose inertia, eat our own, and fail to devolve the power back to the states where it belongs.

In the end, we will end up with the candidate we deserve. My hope is that we, the voters, will decide to set aside the irrational grudges that will lead to us deserving Mitt Romney, and four more years of Barack Obama.

If we don’t, we’ll all share in the blame for this late term abortion on our conservative resurgence.

Aaron B. Gardner

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COMMENTS

  • Tennessean

    You nailed it.

  • mikeymike143

    that is why he is only polling at 5% in the new south carolina rasmussen poll.

    i would say the voters are sending a clear message that rick santorum is the candidate that they support. and i suspect that after perry gets clobbered in south carolina he will withdraw from the primary. since redstate is a defacto campaign arm of the rick perry campaign, i am sure i will have ten pro perry posters immediately rebuttling my post. but the support for perry on this site is NOT indicitive of the support that rick perry has in real life. and the polls prove that.

  • Bill S

    Well said. This is really the crux of the entire piece:

    Unfortunately, it appears we have decided that we can forgive bad policy records easier than we can forgive poor debate performances.

    The debate debacle has been singularly responsible for screwing the pooch for the GOP in 2012. (As Mike D would say, “more later” on this…)

  • windwaker24

    I glad someone finally said this! I had so much hope in the Tea Party. Now, it just seems like the driver of their cause was just being mad at Obama and not about conservative principles. It saddeneds me that they are pushing Santorum, a man who was kicked out of Congress during the Republican purge of 2006 (or so I’ve been told. I didn’t pay attention to politics until 2008) due to overspending. If he is the nominee, expect that fight all over again. Conservatives are all over the place. I really wish they would FOCUS! Find a leader pronto, or the Tea Party will be over by the summer.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    The clear message the voters are sending is…

    We don’t like any of these guys.

  • jcgldr

    in my view we have 2 choises

    1- hope that huntsman gets a boost in new hampshire and get on his train

    2- forgive gingrich for his supportting the mandate and get with him becuase he is the person who can change things in washington as he did already once

    otherwise we have romney who is a chicken and has no balls to change anything

  • Bill S

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  • Carol Tarasewicz

    Iowa was the only state that has cast a vote, I refuse to let 120,000 people tell me which candidate I have to support. NH is probably going to Romney. Can Romney win SC?
    I hope Rick Perry can pull off a win. Iowa was the first election he’s ever lost. Let’s try to focus on Perry’s postive record and forget about his early debate performances. If you can, listen to Rush Limbaugh’s show on Friday. He said his friends are embarassed by all the conservatives, from Perry to Bachmann, with reasons why they think none of them can win.
    I looked up all the info available on Rick Perry before he announced, I understand why he made Guardasil an EO, etc.
    It was not us, it was the media that slammed Perry, starting with Karl Rove and his attack on Perry for what he said about Bernanke.
    Rove hates Perry, it goes way back.
    Remember that Rick Perry said this country was living under a big black cloud, he meant the debt, the media turned it into a racist statement about Obama.
    Come on, let’s not give up yet!

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    The idea that they would accept a big government maroon like Santorum over a small government governor with a fantastic record of conservative governance says it all.

    Bill S nails it just below, the idea that a debate performance overshadows a record of excellence, and is more important than a lifetime of growing big government and espousing nanny state solutions during the primary is simply depressing.

    Perry has been a mediocre candidate up to now and he may not recover. Oh well, it won’t be my biggest disappointment, even this month. But Santorum? Please. You and the idiot abie and a couple of others have been flacking his worthless hide around here for a couple of weeks and you’ve yet to find a conservative bone in his body. abie’s got a couple of “conservative” votes – with no leadership, just votes – that he thinks offsets the list that Erick published earlier. You guys, and Santorum voters in general are every bit as deluded as Ron Paul supporters. You’re certainly no closer to having even a little understanding of what a “conservative” is.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Great post Aaron.

  • windwaker24

    because as of right now I don’t see it. Santorum and other Repubs were booted out of Congress in 2006 and 2008 due to reckless spending. What does Santorum bring to the Tea Party cause?

  • wennejunk

    and the tipping point has passed…I wonder if the GOP and Conservatives will finally wake up and schedule debates that only feature adult moderators who ask questions related to the best interest of the country.

  • bzip

    I just about gave up on this place and the idea of ever electing a true conservative. I have had it, I have had it with people who claim they want to overall Washington and what serious change BUT in the same breath the are ready to turn on the only conservative in the race and high tail it to any one of the pseudo conservatives.

    You either want a true conservative that can change Washington or you don’t. Which is it?

    I will never walk away from Perry because to do so is walking out on my own principles and walking out on this country.

  • sunshinek67

    2010 their one and only banner year. You cannot honestly take Santorum’s record and match it with Tea Party platform and make it reconcile. You can’t. I profess to myself that I will not call anyone in serious candor an idiot in these RedState rooms, as to promote peace and harmony, love for all. Ever optimistic I am, cup 1/2 full….so in keeping that pledge to myself I will not call you an idiot.

    Much love~

  • texasroots

    hell bent against Perry blaming him for Palin not running. The tea party started their revenge against Perry in Florida voting for Cain, in my opinion.

  • Bill S

    I’m putting together something right now that hits that point. You’re dead on target – that is the problem, in a nutshell.

  • ajdx3

    does little to advance the cause. So “your” candidate imploded. No one owns the conservative movement, not the Tea Party, not Gov. Perry, and certainly not Redstate. If the “conservative” candidate, whomever that is in your view, cannot win the Republican nomination, that is their failure, not ours. Everyone should keep their eye on the ball which is to remove President Obama from office. If you are either unwilling to, or in such a depressed state that you cannot wholeheartedly support whomever emerges as the nominee, then take you ball and go home. Those of us who have not given up will soldier on and do what is necessary to ensure success come November. Save your over-the-type hyperbole (“late–term abortion? Really?) and either get on the bus or get off.

  • Bill S

    He’s a one-legged stool of social conservatism.

  • jimcyr

    and I support Rick Perry 100%. So you are flat out WRONG, but since you seem to be one of the Paul fanatics, I don’t expect that fact to impact your views one iota. Paulbots are impervious.
    I got the Tea Party going in my county (because nobody else was). And I am as conservative as can be. The ONLY candidate I can support is Rick Perry, and I didn’t even start out liking the guy.
    Ron Paul and his followers need to be purged from the GOP. Insanity and moral depravity are not good for any group.

  • Bill S

    …because there is nowhere in this diary that says that he won’t support the eventual nominee.

    Save your over-the-type (sic) accusations for someone who cares what you think.

  • Aaron Gardner

    I won’t tell you to take your ball and go home though, we will need all the votes we can get in November.

  • windwaker24

    I knew it was a bad idea when they said that they didn’t want an official leader. This is one of the reasons why. No focus of cause!!!!

  • mikeymike143

    i think he is an anti semitic loon and should be drummed out of the GOP.

    and if you actually looked at my signature you would see i own the largest anti ron page for conservatives on facebook. and i frequently post diaries against him.

  • NeoKong

    Politics shows no mercy.
    You’re speaking to the choir here Aaron.

    Perry’s campaign is what it is.
    Lethargic.
    Perry had all the same opportunities as anyone else.
    On top of that he had buckets of cash.
    We tried to politely suggest that his bad campaign performances were a little more serious than some would admit and those criticisms were dismissed.
    Some of us tried to tell some here that yes…television does matter but…..

    We were being shallow.
    We were being superficial.
    We were jumping on band wagons…bluh bluh blah.

    Aaron I think you are a purist.
    Gov. Perry is a hell of a guy.
    He has a damn good record.
    He has more executive experience than the whole field combined and that includes Obama.
    He would make a hell of a president and I would love to see it.
    And all that should be enough.

    But he sucks on TV.

    As sad as that is it outweighs all the rest even though it doesn’t make sense or is fair or intelligent.

    What can I tell you my friend….?
    We hear ya’ pal.
    Many times the best guy is often passed over for no good reason.
    That’s how the cookie crumbles sometimes.
    To be honest I think we give the voters more credit than they deserve.
    They will bleepin’ vote for anybody sometimes and the examples would be many.

    South Carolina is the Alamo.
    He has to get on the scoreboard or it’s over.

    Good luck to you and to the Governor.

  • jimcyr

    I admit to feeling like giving up (including my membership in the GOP) because the unbelievably shallow and silly performance of Republican voters this campaign. But I guess I’ll stay and “cause some trouble” for a while longer. Your words are a good reminder.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    makes Ron Paul, minus the bigotry, look pretty good.

    You’ve gotten so caught up in your hatred of Paul that you’ve lost any ability you may have once had to reason.

  • Aaron Gardner

    I sleep well at night.

  • jimcyr

    So it’s got to be just Perry who is blowing it? Can’t find any fault with the voters too? Hmm……..seems kind of simplistic.
    Perry at least has the good excuse of major back surgery and pain. What’s the GOP voters’ excuse???

  • ajdx3

    does nothing to advance the cause and is simply a waste of time.

  • ajdx3

    but you have no business declaring the conservative movement dead.

  • jimcyr

    He has had some awesome “TV moments” in the last month. But I guess it’s too late. “Nope, sorry Rick! Made up my mind. My brain has been logged off. You are too late. Sorry. Can’t change my mind. Sorry!”
    I mean, what is up with THAT??

  • Aaron Gardner

    Reading comprehension is your friend.

  • westcoastpatriette

    walk right into the enemies’ camp and expect anything good to come out of it. It’s time to come up with new forums and refuse to allow people that despise us to conduct these farces we keep calling debates.

  • bzip

    Two debates back to back this weekend. Rick Perry did an excellent job in both debates. I am sure the media for the most part will shun Perry

  • Scope

    Very well said- A late term abortion of the conservatives. I will not give up on Perry, and I believe he has a great shot at being in the top three, at least, in SC.

    I just saw an interesting poll put up at Ace’s today. He asks that now that some will have to give up on their first place candidate, who would they choose as their second place candidate? Perry won that poll by a large margin. I’ve seen that same poll result over the past few months of the campaign season, Perry always seemed to be the second choice. Well, now as the front runners keep rising and falling, Perry is still the second choice, and will likely be the last man standing to take on the Romney guy.

    Another thing I keep seeing is about Perry’s debate performances. He had a hard time of the debates in the first few. Then as he got his sea legs, and his back started healing, I saw over and over, people saying that that was his best debate. Then after the next debate, they said that that was his best debate. Perry has now far surpassed his mediocre/bad debate performances with a larger number of good debates. I saw an article today saying that if Perry’s debate performance from this morning had happened a few months ago, he would clearly be the current frontrunner.

    As you said Aaron, some are now willing to forgive big government conservatism, or support of non-conservative policies, more of a chance than some circus like debate’s held mostly by the leftists to make our candidates all look dumb, and to keep them from doing what campaigns should be doing, getting in with the voters, and talking to them in small townhalls, and on one on one conversations.

    It ain’t over by a long shot. Romney does not have it in the bag, as the creeps telling you that he does are intensifying their propaganda because he still isn’t acceptable to the majority. He got more than a bloody nose this morning. Soon he will have black eyes, rehtorically speaking of course.

  • jimcyr

    I missed that “anti”. Glad you didn’t get sucked in.
    I always think “little Rickie Santorum” every time I see or hear him. Something about him just seems so small.
    Plus he supported Arlen Spector, the single worst politician in my lifetime.
    So no Rickie for me!

  • Bill S

    There’s no rule that every diary on this site has to “advance the cause”. Your comments are wasting my time. So we’re even.

  • elayman

    Mr Popular today in his stronghold of Southern New Hampshire sporting a bomber leather jacket, flannel shirt and cowboy boots putting a little swagger behind the record after two overwhelming weekend debate performances. And trending up like mad by the hour, But it is now or never for the campaign. Keep pushing for him to say in this thing instead of harping on what might have been ! (even if it is a second choice).

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/hunts-mentum-jon-huntsman-draws-big-crowds-in-new-hampshire/

    Huntsman standing on a counter filled with muffins. Packed house in coffee shop.

    http://www.mobypicture.com/use…

  • Aaron Gardner

    That said, I appreciate you reading the post, every hit helps it get more exposure. And the analytics don’t care whether you agreed or not, just that you clicked the link.

  • NeoKong

    Were they during the debates…?

    Just like in the NFL no one cares about what happens on the practice field.
    What happens in the stadium is what counts.
    Nobody would agree or say that Perry has done well in the debates.

    It matters.

  • windwaker24

    then I should have ignored the Tea Party outright. When they first came on the scene, they didn’t “look good” on TV. Their signs and grammar were horrible, enough to make any English major cringe. But I looked past all of that because I actually BELIEVED in their cause and defended them in front of my liberal family members and co-workers. It sad to see them fall into such irrelevancy, by their own hands, no less.

  • Bill S

    It was the first 2 or 3 that were rough. In several, he was considered the “winner”.

  • renl57

    …was to push Perry into the race so soon after his surgery.

    In retrospect, it would have been better for Perry to just wait another month–or even two months–for his health to recover some more before throwing his hat in the ring.

    The fact that he’s doing better now in the recent debates, proves that he didn’t need to start so early and make such a bad first impression.

    Had Perry been honest about it–”I’m still recovering from surgery, give me a little more time”–everyone would have cut him that slack. Then he could still have gotten into the race before Iowa and won.

  • misspiano

    Let’s not give up on Perry yet! If each Red Stater would donate to his campaign this week, it would be a good start. Keep writing here and on other blogs and see if it makes any distance. Perry is the one who is the best in my opinion.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

  • texasroots

    and for your candidate. And no need to apologize to anyone for doing so.

  • mikeymike143

    and its not just the majority of us tea partiers that support him.

    a decision was reached at a ranch in brenham, texas over that weekend this will help santorum immensely in the south. several prominent religious leaders and groups, including ones that formerly supported perry, are going to come out in favor of santorum next week.

    romney pretty much has the moderate/establishment vote locked up. and santorum will end up with the majority of the tea party and the social conservative/religious vote.

    for all intents and purposes, its now a two man race. although i personally like newt and think he would make a great VP for santorum.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

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  • jimcyr

    he handled his “senior moment goof” with grace, humor and aplomb, when he listed his 3 agencies he’d close. In fact, he went out of his way to revisit that question. Exactly the kind of DEBATE style we would hope for. (And let’s remember we are talking about debates here………and style. That’s the salient fact about your qustion).

  • http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/ pilgrim

    There are people like Rick Perry who look at their role as a public servant, and the DC career politicians are doing them in. Grover Norquist, Ralph Reed, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum are conservative career politicians instead of public servants. The same as Mitt Romney and Ron Paul who are full of pious baloney career politicians.

    Jim DeMint, Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, and Jon Huntsman are examples of public servants. The beltway establishment will always work against these people who do not play their game.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Simply pathetic Mikey, simply pathetic.

    The fact, assuming it is a fact, that “religious leaders” are coming out for Santorum should give anybody capable of rational thought a long pause. If the same jackasses who tried to pawn Mike Huckabee off as a conservative are coming out for Santorum, I’ll vote for Romney in a heartbeat if it comes down to the two of them in Arizona.

    Santorum is far more dangerous to conservatism than Romney.

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    Go get ‘em! They always said Newt and Mitt would go for the jugular; well, they’re doing it. Huntsman and Santorum are not serious contenders. Paul…well, I won’t go there. And who will be left standing?

    Good article from CBS here about Perry in South Carolina today.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57354770-503544/perry-focuses-on-faith-obama-in-return-to-s.c/

    And here, my friends, is why I’m not giving up on Perry. He said today:

    “I have never quit a day in my life. I have never quit in the face of adversity, and I’m not just about to quit on the future of America. I am going to stay in this race and stay in this fight because our children and our country are worth the fight.”

    He’s not in this for himself. He’s in this for you and me and your children and my children and our grandchildren. You cannot say that about any other candidate…okay, MAYBE Santorum…but no one else.

  • NeoKong

    What does that mean….?

    “Yep, I am a purist. I advocate for conservatism. “

    Your snark is not as subtle as you think. When you imply that you advocate for “conservatism” that is your way of saying that others do not even though you may dodge that later.

    When I say you are a purist I mean to say that you think just because your candidate is obviously the best that should be all that matters and his little debate flubs are minor and should be overlooked.
    No argument there.
    Not from me anyways but those pesky poll numbers say different.
    To be honest I myself am baffled at how the hell Ron Paul does better than Perry but that is the reality.
    We gotta’ roll with the punches.

    As it looks right now Mitt Romney is hurtling towards the nomination.
    Gingrich seems like the only guy even near him who could change that.
    Perry got locked in the basement and unless something extraordinary happens very soon he’ll be leaving through the bulkhead.

    Themz b da’ fax.
    Purity will not change that.
    Are you able to adapt to a campaign that does not feature the Governor….?

  • renl57

    “You either want a true conservative that can change Washington or you don

  • Aaron Gardner

    I figured you were a big boy that could handle that.

    Apparently I was incorrect.

  • renl57

    …to be endorsed by both the liberal Democrat Boston Globe newspaper, and the self-described socialist The Nation magazine (!!!):

    http://www.thenation.com/blog/165483/huntsman-better-foreign-policy-alternative-paul

    For a guy who claims to be so conservative, Huntsman (like Paul) keeps attracting a whole lot of admirers from far left field.

  • lineholder

    illegal immigration. This can’t necessarily be laid entirely at the door of pundits and neither can the entirety of the responsibility be projected onto voters. And I hope that these comments will be taken in the context of constructive criticism, because that’s how they are meant.

    When the federal government fails to enforce the law, it leaves each and every state in a bit of a quandary in defining what kind of action they should or should not take pertaining to the law.

    The state of TX made it’s decision in how it wanted to respond to the situation with illegal immigrants, and the citizens and state officials of other states have done the same. But there are other states (particularly Conservative Southern states) that have decided to adhere more closely to the rule of law as it was written than TX has.

    From the viewpoint of citizens within those states, the decision made in TX is SOFTER on immigration than they have chosen to be. That’s the contrast and comparison that they see, Aaron. Add that rather unfortunate “heartless” comment into the mix and, well…it just complicated matters more than they needed to be.

    If I was a member of Perry’s team, I would be evaluating this one long and hard, gathering together all the data I could find about the approval ratings for decisions that have made in states that did adhere more closely to the rule of law, and how Perry is polling within those states at the present time, to determine if there was any way possible at all that this could be a factor that is pulling down his campaign.

    If the data supports an analysis along these lines, then Perry could very easily reiterate and reinforce his support for states’ rights, even on the issue of illegal immigration. Over and over again, if need be. It may not completely and totally reverse any damage that may have been done, but it could go a long way to providing the people within those states with a degree of reassurance that they may be looking for right now.

  • David123

    I did not watch the first three debates though, so I did not see him when many say that he did poorly. I am sure that if Rick Perry is the nominee he will beat Barrack Obama in debates.

  • NeoKong

    So if looking good on TV is more important than principles and values…

    Look who occupies the White House and who is leading the GOP race and reasses your comment.

    Yes…TV does matter.

  • NeoKong

    That’s great.
    How many has the media said he won….?

  • bzip

    Oh Hogwash, talk about a lot of crapola. So you are okay having anyone of the other Big Gov’t progressives in rather thswn take a chance. I hate to tell you this but voting for a non-conservative only assure the same down fall that would happen under Obama just a longer duration to do it in.

    Nope, I will take my chances rather then sell out on my principles. What a load of crapola, you continue to sell out and wonder why we get what we have.

  • Aaron Gardner

    Governor Perry is actually very strong on boarder security and has a record to back that up. He has signed laws banning sanctuary cities and has signed voter ID laws and he has not allowed illegals to get drivers licenses.

    This is the problem with this primary. A bunch of people have failed to look at the actual records and instead have sopped up every bit of false information that has been fed to them via debates and the media in general.

    If people actually bothered to look at the record honestly and objectively, then no one could say that Gov. Perry is soft on immigration.

  • texasroots

    New Hampshire. I really do. Huntsman is the only one I like besides Perry being my first choice. I understand that Huntsman and family are good friends with Perry and his family.

  • windwaker24

    so I don’t value TV that much. As for Obama looking good on TV. ON WHAT PLANET? When challenged, he looks like he is about to crap himself and faint. If anything, Obama is very annoying on TV, which is why I stopped looking at TV. HE WAS ON IT TOO MUCH INSTEAD OF WORKING!!!!

  • boonerdan

    Since you seem to have a memory lapse, allow me to refresh you on some “bad Perry policies.” How does a so-called small government guy support in-state tuition for ILLEGALS, or government mandated vaccinations via a disputed vaccine, or support government regulation based on fake global warming science, etc. Perry also claims to be an ardent 10th Amendment proponent, but he quickly rolled over for the Feds rather than fighting for Texans’ right to not be illegally searched or sexually assaulted by TSA agents.

    Perry has his chance right now to convince conservatives otherwise, but so far I am not the only one to be suspicious of his view on goverment’s role.

    If Texans are happy with Governor Perry, then that’s great. I would vote for Perry if he is the nominee, but I am not yet sold on working for him in the primary season. That could change if the Establishment keeps trying to foist Romney on us.

    Those of you whining about the Tea Party never really understood the movement in the first place.

  • lineholder

    Whether you understand it or not, there is an extremely strong possibility that Perry is dealing with a perception problem on this issue that is becoming more entrenched in the minds of voters with each day that passes.

    You can project that back onto voters if you want to, but with a candidate polling in single digits, and in Southern states at that…if it was me, I wouldn’t leave any stone unturned.

  • elayman

    Why give so much power to the liberal media if you have done research and due diligence on all of the candidates and know where Huntsman stands on the issues ? Jon is more conservative by far than Gingrich, Perry or Romney but having crossover appeal because Independent voters like your style is why they will never beat Obama and Huntsman would cream him in a general election.

    I

  • Carol Tarasewicz

    After reading Erick’s front page early ths afternoon, but with your responses I’m going to see how much I can afford and make a contribution.
    I do not know what Erick knows about Rick’s inner campaign circle. I had the tv on earlier but shut if ott. FNC is now a waste of time and energy. Ailes should have left the news division stay “fair & balanced”. Now they are as biased as the rest of them.

  • NeoKong

    It’s what you imply.
    That others are not as conservative….as you.
    On RedState no less.
    I’m not really sure what point you were trying to make by reminding us of all of that street grade pure uncut raw and red hot conservatism you possess but it seems you are mad at others that Perry’s campaign is tanking as if we all were as good a conservative as you most certainly are then he would be doing better.

    I have a short exercise you may like to participate in.
    Finish the following sentence.

    “If I could tell the Governor why his campaign is tanking I would say…(fill in the blank)”

    We have all heard your criticism of us but maybe you can give us some criticism of the Governor’s campaign. After all it is him who is tanking.

  • onemovoter

    Since each state before April 1 will assign it’s delegates according to percentage of vote received, no one candidate will have a large lead up to that point.

    The secret no one is talking about is that Texas will have it’s primary April 3 and is winner takes all. ALL 155. If the vote keeps getting split till then, and Perry wins his home state, Perry could effectively take the lead by a slight amount at that point.

    The ball game here doesn’t really start until after April 1st. To all those who say after the first few states this time are actually dead wrong. Hillary won most of the early and big states during the 08 primary, but ended up losing in the very end. This is due to the democrats have proportional states all the way through their primary run.

    Oh and one other correction to the ‘rust belt’ statement of yours. Perry has talked about energy production and natural gas is a big thing running all the way into Ohio and Tenn. from Penn. You would have known that if you would just do your homework like we do here at RS.

  • Aaron Gardner

    And I actually agree with it, except the last graf. There is a perception problem. Team Perry has attempted to combat that perception with the facts. Some of which I just gave you. When those holding on to the perception refuse to acknowledge the facts of the record, who is to blame? Team Perry, or those who refuse to look at the facts?

  • Scope

    what happens in the stadium is what counts. Perry has accomplished more in the stadium of results in Texas, and that is what matters.

    Weren’t you the same one that was a die die hard Cain supporter, that came to his defense time after time as he flubbed up over and over again? Yet, you write Perry off for some of his debate performances. Did you think your guy Cain did so well in the debates, especially the one on one with Newt when he kept asking to Newt to answer first, and then parroted his answers with nothing more than I agree. Did he do so well in the interview where he couldn’t remember the Libya situation? You forgave him for those very serious flubs, but still hold Perry’s flubs against him.

    You are welcome to support whomever you do, but at least be honest about why you don’t support Perry, or any of the others. Aren’t all candidates flubs equal, or is this animal farm?

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    I live in Arizona. My personal preference would be run national guard sweeps and anybody who can’t prove their right to be here would be on a bus headed south. That however is not a practical, doable solution. I got over it.

    What the state of Texas has done with their college tuition policy I think is very reasonable. I would trade Perry’s actions for those of Jan Brewer and the “immigration hardliners” like Joe Arpaio are famous for that are largely fluff and BS.

    I’m not going through the logic, it’s been beaten to death here, but take from an immigration hardliner, Perry is solid on illegal immigration.

  • dirlie

    it must have really gone bad. The Perry campaign from start to finish is the worst campaign for President of all time. It is not just his poor debating skills, it is everything. When Cain got butchered(even before the women issue) and Newt got scalped everyone on this board said that was just vetting and that was the job of the primaries. Well sorry Perry folk. We vetted Perry. He is soft of immigration, big on big government solutions and he is basically just another former democrat who stuck his finger in the air and changed parties to ride the wave. The beginning of this post is correct. No real conservative got in the race and we wanted one. It is obvious now however, that Perry was just a stalking horse put in by the Rinos to keep any real conservatives out. He served his purpose and you got bamboozled. Please wake up and smell the coffee or at least pretend you do.

  • Aaron Gardner

    You are the one who called me a purist because I advocate for a candidate that advocates for smaller government.

    I am actually pretty darn happy overall. Either Perry comes back to life and I send him money, or he doesn’t and I buy myself an iPad instead.

    Either way, I win and I am still happy.

    Have a blessed afternoon.

  • rpb227

    I think the party has two problems. One, Eric has pointed out, is that Bush left no heir apparent for the party to rally behind, i.e. a vice president.

    Second. Texas is so unrepresentative of America. What works politically there does not work everywhere. I live in blue(ish) state Wisconsin and so many of my Republican friends just can’t stand Perry’s cowboy bravado. That kind of talk just doesn’t play well outside of the south. Romney, for all his faults, talks like the Republican down the street. People can relate to the way he talks. Perry reminds too many of Bush. Sorry. I’m sure he is great down there, but he doesn’t play well in these parts.

  • Aaron Gardner

    Thanks for proving my point.

  • westcoastpatriette

    It is irrational to suspect that Perry is soft on illegals when you factor in the whole picture. The Texas Dream Act is so limited in scope that it cannot be looked at in isolation any more than people can accuse other states like Alabama and Arizona of being racist because they want to get tough on the problem. Perry’s postitions — if you listen to him — are the most realistic and comprehensive given the utter failure of the feds to deal with this problem. Just my two cents. And you know I am a hard-liner when it come to dealing with illegals.

  • wennejunk

    who supposedly actually *do* believe in good/evil cannot believe for a minute that the other party and those who oppose them are not the real enemy.

    They are.

    We are Charlie Brown and the Dems/Media are Lucy. Every friggin’ time.

  • acat

    If I had @Toby’s talent, this would be much funnier.

    Mew

  • NeoKong

    Not angry huh…?

    Yes my boy Cain has fallen by the wayside but I do not lay the blame at those less conservative or less zealous.
    I don’t cry about it.

    On top of that I myself have criticized him personally and his campaign as well.
    My comments were many.
    I even stated that if he flames out then I with move my resources to someone else.
    Can you same the same about yourself and your man Perry….?

    Also I noticed you failed to complete the exercise.

  • westcoastpatriette

    As do many other Californians. Prejudice against southerners is not an admirable trait nor is it a smart way to vet candidates. Look at his record and listen to his heart. Texas may not be America, but there sure are a lot of Americans and American businesses flooding to Texas. Success is success not matter what state it happens in. And Texas is swarming with success under Perry’s leadership.

  • annie54

    Governor is the only candidate period.

    We’re about to see some changes, I do believe.

  • goodgovernance

    Fantastic debate performance. I really admire the way he stood up to Romney and outlined his vision for the country. The audience seemed to eat it up, too.

    C’mon, New Hampshire! Surprise the pundits and the Establishment yet again on Tuesday. Go, Huntsman!

  • windwaker24

    in Illinois, and I love Perry. I would kill to have Perry as my governor instead of Pat “Pop Eyes” Quinn. Due to his leadership, we just got downgraded. Texas got an upgrade. I’ll take some of what Texas is having…

  • annie54

    I’m watching the Broncos AND TEBOW against the Steelers and am not concentrating. Broncos 20 – Steelers 6

  • rpb227

    I like him too. I’m just telling you what i hear at the water cooler.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    It’s close enough to perfect.

  • westcoastpatriette

    for someone like Perry. Moonbeam just announced that the only way he can keep from cutting back on the schools’ budgets is if we pass the ballot initiative he plans on putting on the ballot to raise our taxes again. This idiot thinks we are stupid. And this if after he signs into law a Dream Act that includes state funding for illegals to go to college. And several other measures to prevent our state from being anything other than a sanctuary state. Infuriating idiot, I say!

  • avagreen

    How does a so-called small government guy support in-state tuition for ILLEGALS,

    Booner, this has been answered so man times. I doubt that you will even acknowledge that it has been, or that this answer is the reason. Talk about being “blind”.
    Instate Tuition was enacted in Texas to avoid civil & federal lawsuits. 38% of legal citizens in Texas are Tejanos and a large chunk of these are multi-generational Texicans who have family and commerce on both sides of the border going back over 100 years . Has has been the case since the earliest days of the Republic. Most who move here to Texas settle in Texas and become legal Texans. Perry ticked off a lot of people over the Anti-Sanctuary City bill (Most of Houston) which is why the legislature and Strauss tabled it.

    It’s a state answer that 13 other states have also used to a Federal problem because the Feds won’t let us deport the illegals. Texas even tried to cut off State handouts to illegals to encourage them to return to Mexico, and was sued. We lost.

    or government mandated vaccinations via a disputed vaccine
    Perry was trying to get insurance to pay for the mandated vaccine and the opt-out if parents didn’t like it. And opt-in that others are yelling about wouldn’t have required insurance to pay for it.
    As of July 2011, legislators in at least 41 states and D.C. have introduced legislation to require, fund or educate the public about the HPV Vaccine and at least 20 states have enacted this legislation, including Colorado, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Virginia and Washington. Source: National Conference of State Legislatures.

    Like it not, HE WAS TRYING TO HELP THOSE THAT COULDN’T AFFORD $360 price required for the THREE- SHOTS FOR THEIR DTRS. He subsequently rescinded RP#65 with another EO (RP#74) and the issue is now dead in Texas.
    http://peskytruth.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/rick-perrys-negatives/

    or support government regulation based on fake global warming science, etc.
    Frankly, I don’t know whatdehell you’re talking about here.

    “Perry calls global warming “all one contrived phony mess that is falling apart under its own weight.”
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/aug/12/rick-perry-climate-sceptics-president

    Perry also claims to be an ardent 10th Amendment proponent, but he quickly rolled over for the Feds rather than fighting for Texans

  • Scope

    with those you disagree with. You’re calling Aaron an “angry man” is projection, as anyone who was reading the diary exchanges between you and Tbone back at the end of November were aware that you told Tbone, a man of color, to go and get his “shine box” because his man (Perry) was going down. I’d say that is about as angry as it can get. You did the same thing to anyone here that didn’t support your one time hero Cain. You sir have the anger issue.

  • Aaron Gardner

    But nice effort.

  • annie54

    n/t

  • Scope

    that “you hate Global Warming.” Yet you are now sitting on the same couch with Newt that Nancy Pelosi once sat on.

  • neomom

    Are opposed to the HepB vaccine that almost all infants get in the hospital? HepB is sexually transmitted. But wait, there are parental opt outs, just like there was for Gardisil. It’s a non-issue.

    Since Perry is taking on the EPA and has called AGW a money-making scheme, I think you need to back up that supporting regulation for global warming shtick you out out there. Texas is also challenging ObamaCare. How many lawsuits should Texas take on for the country?

    Yeesh.

  • avagreen

    nt

  • texasroots

    request secret service protection like Cain and keep away all the wackos, including the media.

  • lineholder

    This is beyond frustrating for me at this point, becker, because the potential for this perception problem to exist and take roots has existed for roughly 4 months now. The longer it exists, the harder it will be to overcome in people’s minds.

    Perry is a Conservative from a Southern state. Historically, candidates do much better in other Southern Conservative states than Perry has been doing and there has to be a reason as to why that is the case.

    This isn’t about doubting Perry’s creds. It’s just about conducting an objective fact-finding exercise that could prove or disprove a causal relationship that might be having a negative impact on Perry’s campaign.

    If the causal relationship is proven, it can then be addressed. But as long as people keep writing it off, it doesn’t get addressed.

  • lineholder

    it’s about other people’s perception of Perry’s positions in light of the decisions that have been made within their own state and a relative comparison basis in which those decisions might be seen.

  • explodinghead

    I had read that Santorum had not made the ballot in DC (19), TN (58), VA (49) and possibly Ohio (66) and Mississippi (40). If this is correct, it would seem thay he doesn’t yet have the organization in place to compete with Romney. I read that he was going to join with Perry’s lawsuit to get on the Virginia ballot, but the states he has already missed the ballot are in excess of 225 delegates right there.
    Can you just spot Romney 225+ delegates and hope to win?

  • kowalski

    When the Gardasil thing started I just couldn’t believe what I was seeing and hearing.

    I don’t think the Tea Party is dead, either. I think everyone who truly wants to see smaller government is despondent over the idea of having Mitt Romney becoming the prohibitve favorite candidate. But I don’t see the Tea Party withering away and dying any time soon. Just in the past few days, if you can look past the flailing and teeth-gnashing, there have been a lot of people expressing real desire to keep the movement going and try different tactics also.

    I don’t think we need instant runoff voting, but I do think we need more pressure exerted by Conservatives who get involved locally. And I think a majority in both houses of Congress would make a real difference. You have to have real, bicameral legislative horespower to stand up to an activist President like the one we’ve got occupying the Oval Office. You have to have the full power of both houses of Congress, and that’s what we have to do, no matter who our nominee turns out to be.

    I’ll have more on this later, but thanks for the post…

  • neomom

    I’m a cheesehead by birth, but WI hasn’t voted for a Republican since Reagan. And since it looks like y’all are going to try to oust the best governor ever… Well, maybe it wouldn’t hurt to have a big Southern state that Obozo got last time like NC that has double the EC delegates of WI instead anyway.

  • lineholder

    has been effective in resolving or eliminating the root of the perception problem, do you? And I’m not meaning that in a hateful way, Aaron.

    So, Perry’s still in single digits. Tell the team to try another approach!!!

    Let me ask you this…has an effort been made to emphasize NOT Perry’s record in regards to illegal immigration but his POSITION in regards to states’ rights? Has this been considered as a way to overcome the perception problem?

  • kowalski

    Romney was my second pick. In recent days the borderline libel/slander of Gingrich by the SuperPAC supporting him has really made me angry, because Gingrich was my third pick, and I just won’t stand for that kind of garbage between my choices. :) .

    It’s one thing for Romney to be Romney, but I didn’t like the way those ads were done *at all*. He’d better have someone get on the phone to those whakovs and tell them to start playing it hard, but straight. This baloney about “This Ain’t Beanbag” doesn’t give people the right to lie or do a “wink wink” while their delinquent children act like hooligans.

  • lineholder

    people in other states who have taken a harder stance are afraid/concerned that if Perry is elected President, he could make the same kind of decision on a national level that was made in TX.

    They’re just people, Aaron, but they are people who may have fought to take that hard line rule of law stance.

    Do you have the ability to empathize? (Some people do and others don’t). If you do, put yourself in their place, and how would you respond? What kind of reassurance would you be looking for?

  • westcoastpatriette

    Perry is not trying to do anything about the misperception. I think he is trying to overcome it in many ways and there comes a point when you have to chalk up the refusal to understand as the fault of some of the people and not Perry.

  • Aaron Gardner

    You can’t fight the perception problem by using a state’s rights argument. The perception is that he is week on a issue that is in the purview of the federal government. You would first have to change the perception that this is an immigration issue before you could make the state’s rights argument for the college tuition.

  • elayman

    There is a new ad out from the Huntsman campaign. It is sharp. Check it out here, share, and donate! It highlights Governor Huntsman’s commitment to putting country before politics with clips from the NBC debate and is already on the air in NH (I think !!).

    http://jon2012.com/tv-ad-fund

  • greyeagle

    Does not have the money or organization to run a National Campaign. I am from TX and now live in Florida. Perry was our Governor for a lot of years. He is a staunch conservative and has the best record of any of them. Perry is the one Romney fears and so does Obama. Media outlets including FOX news and supporters of other candidates have been trashing Perry on other so called conservative web sites with slander and lies. What is interesting is they are using most of the same talking points. Gee wonder where that came from? My spouse and I know the truth about Perry’s TX record and it is awesome. Too bad voters believe these so called polls and trashing media. They are also mostly too lazy to look up what he stands for and his record. Is he perfect? No, but he beats the others without a doubt.

  • Aaron Gardner

    You are right, the Tea Party isn’t dead yet, but the noose is certainly tightening.

  • annie54

    Rick Perry is the only candidate who flusters Romney. The same will hold true with Obama.

    He doesn’t use a lot of words that keep going around in circles like Romney and Obama do. He just says it like it is period. Those guys have been taught that a man like Perryisn’t “saying it right” so he’s a nobody.

    Remember when Mittsy called out to Moderator like a little kid when Perry came on hard about his illegal lawn guys?

  • carolina

    for growth and jobs.
    I think Huntsman is a true conservative. I wish he had a ‘real’ robust campaign organization, so he could go the distance.

  • greyeagle

    Excellent article! Conservatives should really take this to heart and see what we are doing. I can’t imagine what the GOP elite were thinking, by having all of these joke debates run by liberals? Maybe setting things up for Romney?

  • avagreen

  • lineholder

    Will you just consider something, please? In the state of SC, the law is that you can’t apply to a state-funded 4-year college if you aren’t either a citizen or have an international student visa. That’s the choice that the people of the state of SC made.

    Has anyone attempted to find out how the residents of SC view Perry’s position on in-state tuition? Or whether they took that rather unfortunate comment I mentioned earlier as a slap in the face? Or even if they may have questions about Perry’s real position on states’ rights because of the situation?

    It’s worth a shot, Aaron. If there’s nothing to it, fine. But if there is data to provide evidence of any type of perception problem on this point, Perry still has time to try to correct it.

    If it’s been done, that’s great, and excuse what seem to be impertinence on my part, please.

  • forperry

    My minister told me about this after services this morning. After lunch I looked it up and found these two links. Does anyone else know if these rules are strictly followed?

  • Aaron Gardner

    The college tuition is absolutely a state’s right issue. Immigration is not. As long as people are looking at the college tuition as an immigration issue, the federalist position will fail.

    I am not sure how to explain this any clearer.

  • greyeagle

    This is the same talking points used over and over on other conservative web sites by supporters of the other GOP candidates. The tuition was passed by a veto proof majority of the the TX Legislature. The rest of the stuff is garbage. I am from TX and know the truth about all these issues and these comments are not.

  • greyeagle

    Talking points comment was to this poster.

  • lineholder

    I think Perry sent a mixed message. How do I put this…in other words, it’s okay for TX to exercise their rights in how to address the issue, but when people in other states do the same, they get called “heartless” for it, even when they are closer to the rule of law? If that his response, then does he really believe in states’ rights?

    Anyway, it was just an idea, and I’m going to leave it alone now. Thanks for the discussion.

  • Tbone

    to come to a reasoned decision. Look at the participants on this site that are supposedly politically aware and they have flitted to the flavor of the month like moths to a flame.

    Only a fool could look at Newt or Santorum and think they are more qualified than Perry.

  • Tbone

    on the part of voters.

  • avagreen

    ??

  • znjs

    The debate this morning might have been your last chance to see Perry in a debate this year.

  • znjs

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/01/how-perry-and-bachmann-be-offstage-in-sc-109452.html

    I believe it was Leon who was talking about the same issue during the night of the Iowa caucus.

  • rickperryreport

    Over where the “Black Helicopters are Coming,” the FreeRepublic, they are holding yet another fundraising drive, a “Freepathon.” Historically, Texas has been the leading state for Jim Robinson and crew to gather their donations. After an entire fall season of Jim Robinson and his obnoxious band of merry faux-conservatives bashing of our governor (along with demanding that we execute all Mexicans in America), donations from Texas have fallen so much that they rival Delaware’s.

    If there is one place on the Internet that should DIE because of the lack of support for Perry, it is this hateful, vengeful Web site. FreeRepublic was the #1 abortion clinic of the conservative movement, and like Planned Parenthood in Texas, it should be shuttered.

    FreeRepublic lost its way.

  • http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/ pilgrim

    We need more pressure exerted by conservatives who get involved locally. The nominating process must be closed to Republicans only. The candidates should not be subjected to to the same anal exam they got this year by the liberal media moderated debates.

  • carolina

    I think Huntsman is also missing a bunch of filing deadlines. If these folks are not on a lot of ballots, then voting for them is waste, imo.

  • explodinghead

    For those people who complain about the Texas drawl, or the Texas swagger; how about the New Jersey accent or the pompous nature of all Bostonians? Get over yourselves. You just wish your state was in as good shape as the state of Texas is. While your brethern are decrying our cowboy ways, we are mostly silent on your pomposity. Southerners as a whole are tired of being designated as stupid by those who inhabit the coasts. Also, George H.W. Bush may have lived in Texas, but he was a Northerner through and through. He retired each summer to his vacation home in Kennebunkport and sent his sons to Yale. Bush Jr. tried a little harder to be a Texan, but he too had the Yale education and the noblesse oblige of the RINO elitists. Obama has taken our republic to the brink and you are hung up on accents? Why not start looking at Governor Perrys actual record on jobs and the economy and think about saving the country, before it’s too late.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    that says about electability, imho. I don’t think its illegal immigration issues.

  • baracksolyndraobama

    You have $ available to donate to defeat Barack Obama, but you’re going to buy yourself an Ipad instead of contributing to the eventual nominee?

    I, for one, will give whatever I can. I expect my household will be able to come up with $500 for Mitt’s campaign. And gladly so.

    Well, at least you’ll be able to pull up YouTube clips of Marco Rubio plugging for Romney (as VP candidate) in HD on your Ipad during the general. By then, I predict, you will have lost your political stupidity and come around to reality.

  • 1bunny

    I found that website and I lasted on it one week. I was okay as long as I was complimentary to Sarah Palin (invoking her support of Perry was fine) but a few days later I dared submit a link on Herman Cain that did not fit there meme and I dared to state he was not ready for POTUS and I was banned. 1 week is all I lasted – Wow! I have never been banned from anything before and I was shocked. Not only shocked from the banning but from the viciousness that started toward Perry and mexicans. The site should die it is like a Ron Paul site now. All hate, conspiracy and just downright viciousness. For a while I would go back and just peek in to what the latest meme was but it got old to read such vicious words so no more FR for me.

  • Aaron Gardner

    Mitt has plenty of money, he doesn’t need mine.

  • Bill S

    I believe in the case of the 2012 candidates, the TP folks have acted just as the 100%ers (“TRUE CONSERVATIVES!!!11!11!”) here on RS – they were looking for the perfect candidate and ground through each of them and spit them out when they found there were flaws. Well, now they’re down to the end of the list and suddenly it’s obvious that there IS no perfect candidate. So, they can either 1) go back to one of the more imperfect ones, or 2) settle on who’s left. Bachmann and Cain are out, and the election is about Not Romney, so all that’s left are Perry, Santorum and Huntsman. As Aaron pointed out, Huntsman started out with a stick to the eye of conservatives, so he’s a non-factor.

    So now it’s down to Perry & Santorum. Santorum hasn’t had the media-driven anal exam during the debates yet, so he’s still in the running, and the TP hates Perry because of Tardasil and giving student loans to the children of illegals. Oh, and he hurt their widdle feewings with the “heartless” comment.

    (UPDATE: Oops, forgot Newt. He’s also a leftover, like Santorum….but he’s on the downslide. Right now the TPers who prioritize so-con issues are with Rick, and the “let’s elect a badass” crowd supports Newt)

    Like others, I’ve lost any respect I had for the Tea Party crowd. They have given new meaning to “the perfect is the enemy of the good”.

  • http://thethinkingvoter.blogspot.com abierubin

    He’s of the opinion that anyone who reads and is aware of anything more than that which the front page writes is a shriner.

    Thanks for speaking the voice of reason, which resonates louder than all shouts.

  • Brian Simpson

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  • joshdunn

    I feel that the tone here has gotten too harsh.

    I’d love to see Romney get the GOP nomination, but I also want to see his supporters take the same high road that the candidate himself has chosen when offered the opportunity to go after his primary opponents.

    Remember what U.S. senators do: “If you feel that a fellow member of the Senate is an idiot, you refer to him as ‘the esteemed, wise senator from ______.” If you know that he’s an idiot, you refer to him as “the esteemed, wise, and distinguished senator from ______.”

    Always remember comity. It’s what used to make us Republicans better than the circular-firing-squad Democrats.

  • joshdunn

    The message is: “95% of us don’t like Perry. We are split between Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, Paul, and Huntsman as to who we like.”

    Perry had a chance to unite the party. He stepped on his own manhood and now it’s anyone’s ballgame.

    I think that Romney’s got the best shot at beating Obama so he has my support in the primary election and the general.

  • joshdunn

    Santorum doesn’t have any depth on foreign policy, he is not a fiscal conservative, and he has no military experience.

    He may have a lock on certain voters who only care about social issues, but that is where his support ends.

  • joshdunn

    They seem paranoid an insecure. They have tried to purge every last Romney supporter from their site.

    Jim Robinson is so far to the right that he no longer cares about winning elections. It is all about ideological purity with him..

    I suspect that he is also a bigot, but I can’t say that I really know the guy. He just seems very reactionary to me.

  • jimcyr

    “he stepped on his own manhood”?? I mean, on the surface that statement seems designed to be just glib and facile. But maybe you are actually trying to convey something substantive with it. If so, what??

  • joshdunn

    We need a debate schedule that keeps liberals like George Step-on-all-of-us out of the loop. We don’t need Diane Sawyer, either.

    We need people like Megyn Kelly, Charles Krauthammer, Jim Lehrer, Chris Wallace, and/or Victor Davis Hanson moderating debates.

    The liberal moderators are trying to turn every debate into a GOP food fight over personal issues and their pet “wedge” issues. They never ask loaded questions during a democrat debate. Yet they feel that these wedge questions are appropriate during a GOP debate.

  • jimcyr

    I had wondered if they were worth me giving them some regular time and from what you’ve said they are not. If they are a force behind this “get Perry” campaign, then I, too, hope they die.

  • joshdunn

    Maybe he hates it the way Newt does and wants to eradicate it by forcing Americans to ride mopeds and use windmills.

    Or maybe he is like me. I hate the fact that so many idiots out there talk about AGW like it is something that is beyond debate. Arguing with them is like arguing with a Scientologist (please don’t stalk me, I’m using this example for the sake of argument only), you will never shake them from their belief that it is real and undivided allegiance to liberalism will cure it.

  • fabio

    …tends toward bureaucratism. Technocracies are skilled at co-opting ideologies to suit their own end: continued growth.

    The only way for technocracies to end is for them to grow large enough to cause their own collapse.

  • jimcyr

    I get this right: you judge who has won debates (and maybe who is the best candidate??) according to what the lame leftists in the MSM who hate the Republican Party say??
    Is that what you’re saying? You do know that EVERYTHING they say is based on advancing their agenda, not on reality……..don’t you??

  • jimcyr

    is “illegals out”, if that tells you anything. And I can tell you that Perry handled this issue well enough to get me into his camp. Just barely………but he did.

  • joshdunn

    I just checked.

    He didn’t finish in the top 4 in Iowa. He will not finish in the top 4 in NH (he is not campaigning there and he is currently polling in sixth, behind Romney, Paul, Santorum, Huntsman, and Gingrich). He is not polling at 7% in either the SC polls or the national polls (he’s stuck at 5% in both).

    So, unless CNN makes an exception for him (which they won’t, because then they’d have to invite Gary Johnson and Buddy Roemer), Perry will not be in on the SC debate.

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    He’s a bitter former Cain supporter. I saw Aaron mention that very revealing fact last night on Twitter, I believe.

  • jimcyr

    campaigned for Jerry Brown for Prez, supported Bernie Sanders, was a union rep., etc. etc. etc. You will now be hardpressed to find someone more conservative than I am. So your line about “he is basically just another fomer democrat” is just plain silly.
    And hilarious.

  • http://www.AmericanThinker.com Hammer2008

    It’s a mistake for any candidate or campaign team to assume the Tea Party movement was available for the taking. The Tea Party movement began as a bulwark against bloated government spending and really got going against ObamaCare (aka PPACA). I was never meant to be “for” a particular candidate. That is why their support is fractured.

    If grassroot conservatives assumed the Tea Party movement would carry the water for them, they’re sadly mistaken and in fact making the same lazy mistake post-Reagan and post-Contract With America.

    It’s time to stand up and make South Carolina a firewall against Romney. Otherwise, consider this game over.

  • jimcyr

    I wrote multiple checks for Romney in 2008, but is it me or does he become a smaller and less appealing man with the passage of each and every day??
    Can’t stand him now.

  • jimcyr

    Tea Party organizer here and I have only deeply liked one candidate: Rick Perry. And I’m as far north as it gets, too.

  • septembergurl

    Such clarity is what we are missing in a lot of coverage of the campaign so far.

    Simply put we have a fractured electorate — republicans, tea partiers, Libertarians, etc. The Tea Party is not mature enough to field a national candidate. I think a lot of conservatives figured the TP would do the work of finding the perfect candidate for us. But that was never going to happen, since the TP is deliberately diffuse, without a leader, etc.

    as I suggested a while ago, the real effort has to be to deny Romney an early victory. Santorum achieved that in Iowa, and Huntsman is on track to dent Romney in NH. In SC, Perry, Santorum or Gingrich could stall Romney. Once we get past the early contests, we will be rid of Ron Paul (his campaign has said they will only contest caucuses, not primaries, after SC) and we can proceed to test the strengths of our candidates.

    The pre-primary season was largely a waste of time an effort (I think I was one of the earliest to point out the pernicious effects on our candidates of the debates) but we are now in the period where actual votes are cast.

    In NH, there is a good possibility that Huntsman can run a strong second against Romney and (along with Paul) deny him anything like a big win (as would be expected from a candidate who won statewide office in Massachusetts). In SC, Perry, Gingrich and Santorum should be able to beat romney. I know he’s ahead now, but that’s name recognition, organization, endorsements, etc.

    Hopefully, we will end up with a four way contest — Romney, Perry, Huntsman and Gingrich — going into Florida and the later primaries. That’s a strong field.

  • jimcyr

    If it’s true you liked Cain, I don’t understand how that doesn’t incline you to move to Perry. Both are outside the beltway, populist, conservatives, who are in touch with the Tea Party. Cain is the only other I gave money to, in fact.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    we get bigger.

  • pua808

    we conservatives do it to ourselves. We say we don’t believe the msm. We know they are liberal to the core. But we happily jump on their bandwagon and drink the koolaid. If we don’t wake up we’ll be looking at three more years of BO stench.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    First it was Bachmann, then it was Perry, then it was Cain, then it was Gingrich, now it’s Santorum. They’ve all for the most part had the same supporters. Santorum is just the flavor of the month.

    Huntsman never really had any supporters

    Paul has the same potheads he’s always had.

    Romney has the same 25% he’s had for 4 years.

    That tells me that the voters don’t really like any of them, but are stuck with what they think is the best of the worst.

  • Bill S

    It’s obviously not universal, but the polling shows a vast difference between TP support for Perry and the other, less desirable candidates.

  • deVere

    The alternatives are to provide no medical service to uninsured people (let them die on the sidewalk next to the hospital?), make insurance too expensive to buy for anyone with a preexisting condition because healthy people don’t buy it, or have a British/Canadian style government system (UGHH!!). An individual mandate at the state level seem like the least unpalatable solution to me. Does someone else have a better idea that actually works?

  • The_Rebel

    A the end of your piece, Aaron, you put the word “we” with the word “voters”. But for most of the other 20 times you use the word, you seem to be referring to the pundits, consultants, pollsters, etc. who would be the ones controlling the day-to-day running of who’s up and who’s down and why.

    We have not had one primary vote yet. Not one voter’s voice has been officially heard yet. Let’s not put the cart before the horse and say that “we”, the voters, will get the candidate that we deserve. Every candidate has had his or her chance in the sun. If, for whatever reason, candidates screw up, or can’t stand the heat in the kitchen, since politics ain’t beanbag, then the voters will make an appropriate, informed decision.

    If they choose Romney as the nominee, which now appears likely, I would hope that we respect the choice that our party faithful made, having properly vetted all of the candidates. That respect is the least that we, the voters, deserve.

  • rickperryreport

    I wouldn’t want to manage Perry’s campaign, or any other campaign for that matter. Remember this: A winner has many fathers, but a loser is an orphan.

    You can beat the Perry campaign around to death, but it’s all process stories, not issues. I bet it was Fabrizio and the Washington consultants who were responsible for the Politico hit right before the Iowa caucuses. It didn’t help. But that’s the way the disloyalty rolls in Washington DC beltway politics.

    I thought the Perry ground game in Iowa was pretty good, and organized well. Sure, I could point out imperfections. But I guarantee you that even the Romney campaign wasn’t perfect.

    My intuition is that the Perry bus tour didn’t start soon enough. The bus stops I saw were staged perfectly, and Perry was on his best game. Christy Hoppe at DallasNews noted that Perry’s speeches on the Iowa bus tour were the best she’s seen in 20 years of covering Perry.

    And I don’t think the “Strong” TV ad was a very good idea. Albeit, I admit that at the time that the “Strong” ad came out, Perry needed to do something big to get earned media. So it was a risk. When the dust settles, we’ll know more.

    Other than firing Allbaugh, and Carney, what different tactic would Erickson the campaign manager do?

    Joe @ Rick Perry Report

  • bobguzzardi

    “Unfortunately, it appears we have decided that we can forgive bad policy records easier than we can forgive poor debate performances.”

    and the clueless, conventional liberal Establishment media had their narrative. Rick Perry is a real deal outsider and they know it.

    Rick Perry’s Texas Works and that model can make America work again.

    Rick Perry, and we few, stand against those getting rich from government and a compliant media which shares its elitist values in favor of the American Model, the Constitutional Limited Government Model and the dignity of individual life; the belief that every life is a life worth living.

    Rick Perry needs to go positive on Rick Perry and Texas.

    Tebow threw the 80 yard overtime pass and Rick Perry, with our support, can, too.

    South Carolina is where we started and that is where we need to be.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Try Santorum’s HSA’s with high deductible health insurance.

    Try deregulating healthcare instead of over-regulating it.

    Try lowering healthcare costs by standing up to AMA-friendly regs that forbid care from nurse practitioners for many tasks. Healthcare is run like a union/guild shop, not a real free market.

    Liberate healthcare and quit looking for the least unpalatable form of socialized medicine.

  • conservnca

    and so will Perry. Perry said in a debate that he wanted to be the Tim Tebow of this election. I think Tebow’s win today is a reminder of what a man who puts his faith in God can accomplish. Perry is a man who puts his faith in God.

  • baracksolyndraobama

    So, Obama will have at least $1 billion, and Perry is the only candidate who deserves your monetary support? You’ll take your ball and go home? Fold, as if 11/6/12 isn’t going to happen?

    Yeah, I’ll say it again. This time, more politely. Politically, you’re donation comment was totally stupid.

    “Mitt has plenty of money, he doesn’t need mine.”????????????????????

    You sound like Gingrich on an anti-Bain/anti-capitalism rant. You do know that’s when Gingrich really started tanking. Newt was my choice before he started spewing that garbage (his affinity for the NYT’s coverage of Bain last night made we want to puke, too).

    I check this site several times daily, and rarely post comments. I’m sure you think that’s for the best. But you’ve developed a following and real RedState street cred with such nonesense as, paraphrasing: Perry, and only Perry.

    Despite what you say, I think your condition is temporary. I know Gov. Haley’s move was hard to swallow around here, and certainly hasn’t created movement here toward Romney. But once Rubio assumes his role, you’ll come around. You might even forego the Ipad. I sure hope so.

  • evilleramsfan

    you are referring to, but I was with the Tea Party since day one (I participated on the steps of the St Louis Arch). I was a Perry supporter for President before he had announced. I, along with several others locally have supported him through the good and the bad. Do we expect perfection? No. Just an overall record of consistent conservatism. He does that better than anyone else.

  • Aaron Gardner

    In the primary, no one else will get my money. It is mine, and Perry is the only one who has earned my support.

    In the general election, I support whoever is nominated.

    Now, I would highly suggest you pull your head out of your 4th point of contact and quit insulting me.

    Have a blessed evening.

  • deltazelda

    couldn’t get re-elected in his own congressional district. Why does anyone think he has any chance of being elected president?

  • annie54

    gave the victory to Tebow and the Broncos.

    Rick Perry will have his Tebow moment also.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    You’re not entitled to have everyone rally around Mittens in the general.

    Some people will find other races to focus on.

    And the more of a jerk you are to people, the more likely that gets.

    Congratulations.

  • baracksolyndraobama

    I do hope we all come around to the ultimate goal: defeating Obama-Biden with a team like Romney-Rubio.

  • Bill S

    is here:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57354522-503544/can-rick-santorum-claim-the-tea-party-mantle/

    And earlier polling definitely showed Gingrich with high levels of TP support…but I’m a bit hindered on my editing ability right now…will update this comment later when I get a link.

    UPDATE: here is some November data showing Gingrich high on the TP list: http://www.teapartyinsider.com/Blogs/Tea-Party-News/November-2011/Gingrich-Gaining-Traction-In-Recent-Polls

    Now in either the case of Gingrich or Santorum, this could simply be a case of memory loss on the part of the TP contingent. But it definitely demonstrates the fickle nature of the TP demographic and perhaps an erosion in their standards…”flavor of the day” vs. a proven but imperfect candidate.

  • deVere

    “Try Santorum

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Rob ‘em at gunpoint.

  • baracksolyndraobama

    …harsh my last several posts, really. Even going back weeks.

    But having you correct me is too cute by half. Your tone is usually on a plane in a parallel universe where the only variety of grass is crabgrass.

    However, again, point taken.

  • rickperryreport

    I was a member for 13 years, since 1998. I was also a monthly $$ contributor from Texas. I got pissed and pressed-to-test. I lasted about a month. The post that got me the boot was when I said that I would never allow my daughter to work around Cain. haha. True statement on my part. And we all now know why.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Alex Jones and C4P.

  • tonotisto

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/8/evangelicals-weighing-romney-options/

    Sounds like many doubt Santorum’s staying power.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …and then jettisoned ["after they chose OUR nominee"...Rush] in the fall?

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html#polls

    Perry is > 5, currently….

    Polling Data
    Poll Date Sample Romney Gingrich Santorum Paul Perry Huntsman Spread
    RCP Average 12/16 – 1/7 – 29.3 20.0 14.3 13.0 5.7 2.3 Romney +9.3
    Gallup Tracking 1/3 – 1/7 1000 RV 31 16 18 13 6 1 Romney +13
    Rasmussen Reports 1/4 – 1/4 1000 LV 29 16 21 12 4 4 Romney +8
    CNN/Opinion Research 12/16 – 12/18 436 A 28 28 4 14 7 2 Tie
    ABC News/Wash Post 12/15 – 12/18 RV 30 30 4 15 6 2 Tie
    CBS News 12/14 – 12/18 291 RV 20 20 3 10 6 1 Tie
    Gallup Tracking 12/14 – 12/19 1000 RV 23 25 4 12 8 2 Gingrich +2
    PPP (D) 12/16 – 12/18 658 LV 22 35 4 11 6 3 Gingrich +13
    Reuters/Ipsos 12/8 – 12/12 443 RV 18 28 4 12 12 5 Gingrich +10
    Associated Press/GfK 12/8 – 12/12 460 A 27 33 3 9 6 2 Gingrich +6
    Gallup 12/7 – 12/11 1000 LV 23 33 3 8 6 2 Gingrich +10
    Pew Research 12/7 – 12/11 504 RV 21 33 3 8 4 3 Gingrich +12
    NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 12/7 – 12/11 271 RV 23 40 3 9 6 5 Gingrich +17
    FOX News 12/5 – 12/7 356 RV 23 36 4 12 8 2 Gingrich +13

  • hwgood

    How this would be done, I haven’t a clue. But it’s these folks who have foisted Juan McCain on us, are pushing the Romneycare Kid and support all the other liberals running as Republicans.
    I live in upstate New York, and as well as my vote for the presidency being wiped out by NYC, my vote in the Republican Primary will be meaningless because the RINO NC promulgates an schedule for the primaries that starts in places that don’t insist on requiring that the voters in the primaries be members of the party where they vote.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …when the idea was pitched to RR in ~1982 by George Ross Fisher, III, MD ["Medical Savings Account"]; multiple AMA resolutions were initiated thereafter, authored by this retired endocrinologist from PA Hospital.

  • JSobieski

    That means allowing insurance plans that aren’t forced to cover a lot of things. Low premium/High-Deductible insurance is a great example of what can happen when regulations don’t overlly limit options.

    If every insurance plan has to cover mental illness, weekly massages, etc. then insurance is going to be expensive and people will be driven to cadillac plans that as you point out—artificially increase demand for healthcare.

    Allow insurance companies to sell “change of medical status” insurance—i.e. insure against the future risk of obtaining a pre-existing condition and you will have a good start in a conservative reformation of healthcare.

    Changing tax laws to decouple insurance and employment would also go a long way.

  • constitutional

    I don’t want to be “Conservative.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT0SX2jpgFQ&feature=youtu.be

  • ihateliberals

    Every true conservative was beaten down or decided they didn’t need the hassle from a Republican Party that has come to hate conservatives. The GOP has been infiltrated with Progressives and the only differences now is what side of the isle do they want to sit on in Congress. Reagan was our lst true conservative and the GOP and GHW Bush hated him. As soon as Bush became president he started the dismantling of the Reagan era initiatives. It started with “A 1000 points of light” and went down hill from there. Then Bush lost to Clinton and the GOP chose Bod Dole to run against him. Dole a RINO didn’t have a chance. Then the GOP chose GW Bush another RINO and somehow he won in 2000. But he introduced Karl Rove and Micheal Steele who come rightout and told conservatives to get lost. Now we come to 2009 and the Obamacare fiasco. The Tea Party of mostly conservatives was able to pull off the turnover of hte House to the Republicans again. Imeediatley the House chose the very worse RINO as Speaker of the House and started the attacks on the Tea Party and along with the Democrats were able to beat them down. The GOP doesn’t seem to care that they re going to lose the election because of the poor choices we have for a candidate with Romney being the absolute worse choice of a conservative. Romney hs been chosen by the GOP to be their poster boy for the 2012 elections and they know that no matter what their Progressive agenda will be pushed ahead no matter who wins the election. The GOP just wants their man to be the one that pushes the Progressives ahead and their choice is Romney. Don’t forget now that the GOP did not want Reagan in 1980 but somehow the people chose him anyway. We need a last minute conservative to enter the race that the GOP and the Democrats won’t hve time to beat down and take the GOP nomination. The problem is that Reagan is dead. Even dead he could do a better job than any of these candidates running today including Obama.

  • SFDennis

    If you are correct, sir, that nobody in the Tea Party either supports or wants Governor Perry, then it appears to me that those in the “Tea Party” do not know what it is they want.

    First, the Governor is one of only three candidates in the GOP field that has never supported any form of an individual mandate.

    Second, he is the only candidate in the field that has any actual working experience in dealing with illegal immigration.

    And, third, and most important, he is the only viable GOP candidate who has consistently demonstrated a true desire for a smaller, less intrusive federal government that adheres to the letter of the law with respect to the 10th Amendment to our constitution. And notice–I did say “viable.” Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought this was what the “Tea Party” was supposed to be all about.

    I understand that Dr. Paul adheres to many of these same principles. I agree almost wholeheartedly with the vast majority of Dr. Paul’s economic proposals. But put simply, and truthfully, he is just not a viable candidate for President.

    The GOP, and the American people, have a choice to make in 2012. It is a simple choice. It is between a Wall Street insider (Romney), big government conservatives (Santorum, Gingrich), three proponents of a smaller, less intrusive federal government (Perry, Huntsman, Paul) or Socialism (Obama) and the bankruptcy–both financial and moral–of our country.

    In my mind, that leaves me with only two viable choices–Perry or Huntsman. And I, personally, cannot see Huntsman defeating Obama in the general election.

    Obviously, the Tea Party needs to reassess what, exactly, it stands for if they do not want, or support, Governor Perry.

  • hayekwasright

    Rick Perry doesn’t have one, nor does anyone else currently running for POTUS. The Texas legislature and several other factors that relate to Texas being Texas have helped him look pretty good to a lot of people. However, most of the crony capitalism claims against Perry are well justified. He also tried hard to ram through what probably would have been the largest imminent domain land grab in history with the Trans Texas Corridor. Fortunately other Texans stopped that.

    Yeah, serious conservatives are pretty much out in the cold at this point. Aaron Gardner has that part right, but not because we are not supporting Perry. An argument can be made for Ron Paul being a conservative champion if you are willing to close your eyes to a handful of critical issues, most notably his international positions.

    At this point, I think the best we, as conservatives, can do is to pick the lesser of evils (again) in the GOP field. Then, and this is the crucial part, we have to maintain relentless pressure on whoever is the eventual nominee and hopefully POTUS for the conservative ideals that can save this country. I believe that there is still time to do that, but our window is rapidly closing.

  • BA Cyclone

    If I could point to any one tactical error, it was Perry not being in Iowa sooner than he was.

    Maybe that was part of his regimen to “heal up” from this back surgery I have no idea, but you saw the same events that I did. I have to feel that if Rick Perry had been doing those events here in Iowa from Oct-Nov-Dec rather than just ~44 days’ worth, that might have really done the trick. Rick Perry was clearly on his game there and people know you can’t fake what Rick does in a town hall setting. He has the cultural identity of the aveage voter down better than most candidates.

    Really though I think it ended up Santorum here because he was the last person at the top when the music stopped. He camped in Iowa, sure, had the social conservatism, sure…but the fickle part of the crowd who didn’t want Romney went to Santorum (and some to Paul) because they never got “frontrunner treatment” like the rest.

    It’s really too bad the primary calendar was moved up a month. I’m not sure Rick Perry ever fully got the opportunity for a real “second look”. This whole thing has been an American Idol contest.

  • BA Cyclone

    lineholder I think is digging too deep for the source.

    At Christmas discussions, in private conversations, whatever over the last 3 weeks people would say some combo of “Perry just doesn’t have what it takes” or even “Perry is stupid” just from these debate blunders.

    That is a ball around his neck that just isn’t going to go away easily. Without blockbuster debate performances, I don’t see how it will happen. The only thing Perry has left is to hold 3 town halls a day in South Carolina until their primary. Maybe 5 per day.

  • BA Cyclone

    lineholder I think is digging too deep for the source.

    At Christmas discussions, in private conversations, whatever over the last 3 weeks people would say some combo of “Perry just doesn’t have what it takes” or even “Perry is stupid” just from these debate blunders.

    That is a ball around his neck that just isn’t going to go away easily. Without blockbuster debate performances, I don’t see how it will happen. The only thing Perry has left is to hold 3 town halls a day in South Carolina until their primary. Maybe 5 per day.

  • irishgirl

    And it’s mindboggling sometimes, isn’t it, how willfully blind some can be..

  • cacharlie

    The first thing I did after hearing all the Iowa claptrap was donate big (for me) to the Perry campaign. I also have been non-stop blogging here and on Tea Party Nation and urging everyone I know to stick with Perry. If anyone knows any other way for me to make my vote count here in CA, please let me know!!!

  • cacharlie

    Thanks for speaking for me in all your posts on this site, jimcyr!

  • avagreen

    *nt*

  • avagreen

    Please?

  • registrar

    n/t

  • tercel

    in his own words: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLQnoVpkyqc&feature=player_embedded

    So why are you supporting him?

  • tercel

    in his own words: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXETDK0OWQw

    Rick Perry not Santorum is ALL 3 legs of Ronald Reagan’s stool.

  • greyeagle

    Jim Robinson doesn’t like Perry either and tossed some of his supporters off the site.

  • greyeagle

    .FOX news has moved to the left and is in the tank for Romney. They Chris Wallace was the one who encouraged Backmann and Santorumj to pile on Perry FOX essentially has a blackout of any news regarding Rick Perry. Now if you want some one from there to be a moderator, I would suggest Hannity, Eric Bolling, and Neal Cavuto Heck even O’Reilly would be more fair than the ones doing the job this year.. Skip the rest of the big media, and go to internet media. Just my ideas.

  • deVere

    They don’t buy insurance, show up at the emergency room when they need service, and I get a tax bill to support it.

    Are you a socialist in favor of the current socialist medicaid program?

  • deVere

    and we are in general agreement.

    But it still comes down to forcing everyone who can afford it to pay their own medical insurance bills, so that everyone can afford castastrophic medical coverage to avoid being bankrupted by illness. One way or another that is what needs to be done.

    There are places here in the USA where if you don’t financially support the local volunteer fire company they will let your house burn to the ground. People seem OK with that, even people whose houses burn down.

    But no one seems to think that letting uninsured poor people die on the sidewalk next to the hospital is acceptable. So people need to be forced to pay for the contingent emergency coverage society absolutely insists on providing them.. It’s far less “socialistic” than people paying property taxes to educate someone elses children. The individual mandate just says you must pay for your risk of getting sick, because in this society we won’t agree to just let you die if suffer medical misfortune. And the only way it can be done constitutionally is at the state level, because states do not have “enumerated powers” like the federal government.

  • JSobieski

    making them purchase insurance.

    Voucherizing medicare and medicaid would do a lot.

    Allowing the non poor to post a bond, agree to accelerated collection process, etc.

    But we agree that an individual mandate with respect to catastrophic coverage is less negative than an individual mandate to for a Gold Cadillac Plan

    I would argue that an individual mandate for “change of condition” insurance (the epitome of minimalist coverage) would be better than an individual mandate for catastrophic coverage.

    However, you don’t need to do any of that if you have a truly functional market.

    Medicaid can handle the 10% of the people who really can’t afford insurance if the overall system is functions like a real market.

    Government “charity” for healthcare can mirror the way foodstamps works. Assistance based on financial status, and for those with those pesky pre-existing conditions.

    Most people want to be self-sufficient. Most people pay their own rent/mortgage and buy their own food. If we fix the market, we reduce the number of people who need assistance outside of the market.

  • deVere

    but many without assets to protect will still prefer to buy beer rather than medical insurance, and as long as the federal government has their back with medicaid who can blame them?

  • JSobieski

    when it comes to government “compassion”.

    The number of people in the “many” matters. What is the critical mass of freeloaders? and who bares the cost?

    Hospitals bare the cost, with government assistance. It is cheaper to do that, than it is to have a mandate with the requisite government assistance.

    Health care spending in Mass is more expensive now, not less. Mass is spending more not less.

    Having people pay as much of their own expenses is best, With functioning markets, we will have enough government money left over to pay for the outliers.