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The MSM Is Dumb: Episode A Billion

There is a lot of virtual ink being spilled today regarding Rick Santorum’s big billionaire donor Foster Friess, and his comments on birth control. The catalyst was an interview conducted by MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell which, among other things, included the following exchange:

In an interview with MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell, Friess indicated that he thinks the contraception debate is a distraction and that he doesn’t understand what all the fuss is about.

“People seem to be so preoccupied about sex — I think it says something about our culture, we maybe need a massive therapy session so we can concentrate on what the real issues are,” Freiss said. “And this contraception thing — I mean, gosh, it’s such inexpensive. Back in my days, they used Bayer Aspirin for contraceptives. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn’t that costly.”

Mitchell, like the rest of the world, is clearly baffled by the remark.

“Excuse me, I’m just trying to catch my breath from that,” she replied.


I couldn’t tell whether Mitchell was baffled or taken aback, but the reporter who wrote that article was clearly baffled. The above is followed with:

It is totally unclear what Friess is talking about and a quick Google search on links between Bayer Aspirin and contraception was unhelpful, although Bayer does manufacture birth control pills.

Hang on. No no, just one sec. I just have to catch my breath from guffawing uncontrollably. Do a Twitter search and you’ll see other similarly confused folks. Just to make it painfully clear … what can’t you do if you’re holding a tiny aspirin between your knees? Think about it … theeere we go.

Chuckling again. I just can’t stop picturing this reporter furiously typing away on their iProduct, desperately trying to figure out in what backward way people used aspirin for contraception. The earnestness … oh man, the earnestness. “Bayer does manufacture birth control pills.” HA HA HA HA HAHA. Oh my aching sides!

Anyway, levity aside, isn’t it telling that so many “progressives” didn’t get the joke? The notion that maybe not screwing everything that moves could decrease the chance of pregnancy doesn’t even occur to them!

Yeesh. In any case, it was a wisecrack, people, not medical advice. I, however, do have some medical advice: lighten up!

COMMENTS

  • http://www.ArchitecturalShots.com mdyou

    …this has proven to be a safe and effective treatment for the lascivious liberal condition.

  • Finrod

    There’s an old joke about a young newly-married couple going to the doctor and asking for a birth control method with 100 percent success. The doctor says “Well, I’ll have to research that and get back to you.”

    Later, in the follow-up visit, the doctor tells the couple, “I have a solution for you. Eat an apple.” The couple looks at each other and smiles, and asks “Before or after?” The doctor replies, “Instead.”

    • Caleb Howe

      Nice.

    • John6078

      I’m proud to say my dad passed this little nugget along to me many years ago. He said there was a drug that would prevent pregnantcy every time. The name of it is “Noassatall”

  • generica

    If Rick Santorum is smart he’ll keep silent on this birth control subject and wait for the media to get bored and move on.

    There are fights you can win, fights you can’t win, and fights you don’t want to get within 100 feet of. I hope he can resist the bait and I hope he has some savvy advisers around him.

    • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

      Obama and the left wing media HAVE and WILL bring it up.

      This is all part of Obama’s plan. ABC debate they brought it up.

      Why? So they can spread the lie that Repubs want to ‘take away your contaception’. … why? because its now 100% in Obamacare plans. AGAIN, part of the plan.

  • docaja

    just don’t have sex. That would explain the amount of time some folks spend on this website.

    • gsatt

      RedState, preventing births….. on accident

    • Jack_Savage

      But we try.

      And believe me, with women on your side like Andrea Mitchell, Hillary Clinton, Eleanor Clift, Justice Ginsberg and Debbie Wassername, it shouldn’t be that hard for you either.

      • Flagstaff

        Men don’t have the experience. I get it.

        So why are we supposed to take the opinions of Andrea Mitchell, Hillary Clinton, Eleanor Clift, Justice Ginsberg and Debbie Wassername into consideration in the matter of contraception? I doubt that any of them has had a problem with it. They don’t even need aspirins.

        As Herman Cain said, the country needs to get a sense of humor, especially on its left side.

        • Scope

          The male members of the military must go through their physical training exercises wearing a contraption which supposedly simulates a very advanced pregnancy. This administration can not possibly get any more outreageous and wasteful with out tax dollars in their push for gender equality.

          • funwithknives

            I gotta see this {link?} or at least read it in a training manual to believe it.
            Say it ain’t so!!

          • Scope

            I saw the segment on Fox this afternoon, and they included video with a male military member with the getup while doing his physical exercises. Meghan Kelly says that the guys don’t like it. LOL I suspect that the guys go from this training over to the classroom on Muslim sensitivity training, where they teach out female military members how to properly affix their head scarves.

          • funwithknives

            Grenade throwing, girl style.
            Camping out,even when you just don’t Feel like it.
            Rifle cleaning ,without gettin’ any on ya’.
            Keeping your cammies “… fresh as a morning spring…”,and lady soldiers dancing in their barracks.

  • weyland

    …women should just keep their legs together. I’m glad he cleared that up for us.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      You have a problem with traditional morality?

      • weyland

        …that the *only* valid reason for sexual intercourse is to reproduce — and that all other reasons are immoral? If that’s where you’re heading with this, then you just jumped the shark.

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

          It seems clear that the only rational reason to have sex is to make babies.

          Seems to me you have to believe in some form of intelligent design to think otherwise.

          • weyland

            If you believe that making babies is the only rational reason to have sex — then clearly you haven’t had much of a sex life. Indeed, it seems you might be a virgin; not that there’s anything wrong with that, but it seems to be a weak position from which to make pronouncements about intercourse.

            That aside, can you suggest how we can stop post-menopausal or infertile women from having sex? Because by your metric it’s clearly immoral, even if the woman is ‘doing it’ with her husband.

          • Scope

            I just heard a very good one from a well known liberal, Donna Brazille. She said she that as she was growing up she was taught by her parents that “sex is for procreation not wreckreation.”

          • Flagstaff

            Neil points out the real issue–libs have a problem with traditional morality.

            You jump from that to “Are you seriously suggesting that the *only* valid reason for sexual intercourse is to reproduce ? and that all other reasons are immoral?”

            He replies, “It seems clear that the only rational reason to have sex is to make babies.”

            You come back with “If you believe that making babies is the only rational reason to have sex ? then clearly you haven?t had much of a sex life.”

            Now, now. Not nice to kick a man when he’s down.

            And I say, that making babies is the only rational reason for sex. All the other reasons are non-rational.

            As for the aspirin, it’s almost free, and doesn’t need health insurance to cover the cost. The only drawback is that a school girl can get a free pharmaceutical or physical contraceptive, no questions asked, from a school nurse or Planned Parenthood. She can’t get an aspirin without a note from home.

          • jamesm

            Rational and emotional are two different states of mind.

            There is a strong case that for what Neil stated. Your argument is without merit. A biologic urge is not the same as a rational thought.

          • avgjo

            awesome.

            I hope you don’t mind, I’m borrowing that.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

        • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

          Nothing on this thread is to be taken too seriously.

        • Caleb Howe

          Other than that it is hilarious that the reporter missed such an obvious wisecrack, and literally sat there and researched aspirin as a contraceptive. That made me laugh out loud. I personally have no objection to contraception. My wife and I have two children, and it’s a certainty we won’t have more.

          • weyland

            …and his comment about morality and intercourse. The original wisecrack I found to be in poor taste. I think the interviewer had the same reaction, hence the pause after the remark was made.

            Seriously, though, does Santorum not see the political minefield he risks in speaking out against “the dangers of contraception”? There be dragons!

          • Caleb Howe

            Not Andrea Mitchell. It was the print reporter that cracked me up.
            - c

        • vandalii

          From the moral position, the issue has less to do with procreation vs. recreation and more to do with the state of the man & woman. Cleraly God’s intent for sex was a joining of married man & woman which goes far beyond mere procreation. However, we’ve lost sight of the precursor — get married, vow before God and man to hold this marriage until death parts us.

          Sex without the benefit of marriage commitment damages both parties. We’re watching my son’s peers, the latest generation of HS kids without any moral boundaries (middle class neighborhood) so dramatically altered when sex enters their relationship that they drive each other crazy when they’re with them and totally dis them on Facebook, etc. when they break up. The ones that were sexually involved go nuts. The few that weren’t are sad and hurt, but not dramatically affected.

          We can believe whatever we want, but observation over time trumps ideology every time. God didn’t say you *couldn’t* be stupid, He just says stupidity comes with consequences and strongly recommends against it ;-) .

      • acat

        Sam’l Colt made all men (and women) equal, eh?

        Mew

        • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

          …apart from some beaches and other designated spaces.

          • acat

            Neil said there wasn’t a problem with traditional morality and women keeping their legs closed.

            My point was to emphasize that women should be encouraged, as part of traditional values, to bust a cap in anyone who tries to forcibly change their minds.

            Mew

          • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

            …but I couldn’t resist a word pun. Especially one with a Bible reference :)

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            ,,

          • renl57

            …to give this whole issue some teeth:

            “The Rape-aXe system consists of a latex sheath, which contains razor-sharp barbs. The device is worn in her vagina like a tampon. When the attacker attempts vaginal penetration the barbs attach themselves to the penis, causing great discomfort. The device must be surgically removed, which will result in the positive identification of the attacker and subsequent arrest”

            http://tinyurl.com/2656eyr

            Throughout human history, men have always feared the legendary vagina dentata.

          • acat

            Rape is one of the topics I’m told I’m irrational on… I support the death penalty, to remove the scum from the gene pool .. but I’d really prefer long-term medically supervised torture.

            Mew

  • westcoastpatriette

    Guaranteed to prevent unwanted pregnancies when held between the knees (by the female) during sexual intercourse.

    Sorry. Couldn’t resist.

    • Repair_Man_Jack

      Sell it tot he sheep.

      • westcoastpatriette

        Baaa

  • johnt

    taxpayers have to pay for that? Spermicides, prophylactics, is somebody kidding? This is this months cause for leftists, including rude, washed up, facelifted old hags like Andrea Mitchell. Let’s have a new and/or expanded federal program, maybe we can buy their lipstick for them also. We’ll weave it in with abortion, the poor, and kick it off with a few anecdotes by Obama.
    NetNuts are already referring to the War on Women, what next?

  • hisgirlfriday

    Maybe I’m biased because I have a uterus.

    Maybe I’m biased because I have taken birth control pills for medical reasons even when I wasn’t sexually active.

    But some old senior citizen money man for Santorum reducing a legitimate birth control debate to the proposition that “gals” like me should just keep our legs shut and everything’s solved? Pretty gross.

    I was under the impression that the birth control debate that the GOP wants to have is about the clash between government mandates and religious conscience or government in general mandating free stuff be given to anyone in general.

    But if it’s just about what sluts women are who take the pill? Not a winner.

    • weyland

      ….his joke was very poorly judged, and reflects badly on him and his candidate.

      • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

        Form of Obnoxious Talking Points Machine!

        • jamesm

          Think they are funny I bet

        • Scope

          n/t

    • Caleb Howe

      .. if you feel that way. But it’s still funny picturing that reporter poring over search results trying to find the link between aspirin and contraception, no?

      • funwithknives

        *DiHydrogen MonOxide* ruse on anyone unsuspecting? Particularly WaterMelons,”concerned’ enviros and Progressives, any ole where?

        F U N N Y does Not Even Begin to describe it!

        Oh and Caleb,…. Y E S !!

    • earlgrey

      nt.

    • societyis2blame

      Yes, it was funny that Mitchell and her colleagues are such nitwits. That’s not a complicated joke.

      That said, the message needs to be “No one is going to regulate contraceptive use. We just don’t want to make people pay for someone else’s birth control. Or TV or house or anything else. Now move on.”

      The in-the-tank media will keep taking these stupid potshots so long as Santorum and his supporters choose to use them as “teachable moments” about sexual morality.

      The abstinence message for adults does not appeal to a wide base. This isn’t even a pro-life issue.

      It’s a debate to have after we’ve balanced the budget, defeated Islamofacism and quite a few other higher priorities.

      The only thing our political candidates and their staff need to be discussing is the Democrats wrecking the economy and pillaging the coffers to buy votes and grease their supporters.

      The Left would rather talk about anything else but $. I wish our politicos would stop helping them.

      • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

        Romney said it about 5 times in that horrible ABC debates.

        Somewhere in the Media Matters / Jornolist smokey-back-room, the liberal-democrat-media complex have clearly decided to make a BIG DEAL out of asking conservatives and Santorum and others for their own personal views on these things, in a plan to conflate personal views on morality with government dictation.

        This is where you need a newt-like riposte to turn these things around on their ear.

        BUT TELLING A JOKE THAT THE NOOBS IN THE MEDIA DONT EVEN GET IS A GOOD RUNNER-UP!

        “The only thing our political candidates and their staff need to be discussing is the Democrats wrecking the economy and pillaging the coffers to buy votes and grease their supporters.”

        Dittos 100%

        • societyis2blame

          We need to stop helping them.

          Newt’s Newt, thus the essentially two-man race at this point, but you’re right about his handlng of the media. He knows better than to let the other guy frame the issues all the time.

          We shouldn’t fight on the other side’s chosen ground. Say we’re not regulating birth control, we just object to making other people pay for yours. Then get back to where the war is being won – the economy. Don’t get matador-ed on issues that are only issues because the other guy wants them to be.

          I’m not even saying Obama and his cronies somehow engineered the contraception debate toward this end. It’s just as likely or more likely that they are just seizing on a serendipitous opportunity they didn’t realize they had until after the fact. All the more reason not to help them along.

        • funwithknives

          the intellectual ammo we can use {and then Some} why would you not learn from that lesson and stick to resonating issues? Feeding yourself your own face {even by proxy} is SO DisTasteful.{Ketchup or hot sauce doesn’t kill the taste}
          Did The Bright Lights,and The Big City, mush up this gents brain?
          Having a mouth does not infer you gotta run it 24/7 and blather inanities.
          History is rife with this sort of ‘comedy’. Rarely does it turn out well when those you are talking to you revile you and yours, and have Ink,paper, microphones and a Video library.
          More money than sense?? Soi-tenly.

    • Jack_Savage

      Haven’t you seen the UnderArmour commercial? “Protect This House!”

      That’s all Friess was saying, and he was encouraged by the fact that it seems an aspirin is all you need in order to do just that.

      Speaking of taking someone’s breath away, has anyone seen Andrea Mitchell up close?

      • Scope

        have witnessed some of the TV views of the OWS’ers. If the sight’s don’t promote abstinance, the body odor should. I imagine there will be an increase of STD’s via the OWS people. They don’t believe in hygine.

      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

        just saying

        • Jack_Savage

          …to make sure people live up to their responsibilities.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            back in many areas of modern life

    • avgjo

      The left, and our sick popular ‘culture’ set the terms. Thank them. This man was just speaking in language your average tv-watching idiot can understand.

      Compared to most of the claptrap on TV, this was nothing. Mitchell’s pious BS is sickening. I’d be angrier if (a) I thought she had any brains and (b) I thought she had any integrity.

      • runner12

        Was the comment in poor taste? Yes. Is it not hilarious that the Leftist media failed to “get” the joke and was actually researching aspirin? Completely.

        Just as hilarious are some of the hysterical comments on this thread and Andrea Mitchell’s feigned moral outrage at the comment.

        This coming from those on the Left who believe in moral relativism with zero absolutes.

        • aesthete

          was the casual assumption on Freiss’ part that it was ladies who needed to tamp down on the sexuality. Would that the great moralist Freiss would look to his own gender rather than point fingers at women, or suggest that the responsibility falls to them to ensure that fully-grown men don’t act like hormone-addled apes — 9 times out of 10, it’s a guy pressuring a lady to act unladylike, and that is unacceptable. As a guy, I find it incredibly frustrating that men are given a pass to act like jack*sses around women, and with women that they are in relationships with — whatever happened to chivalrous behavior? Suggesting that women need to stick an aspirin up there, and saying nothing about the simply God-awful behavior of men both in casual hookups and (somewhat) committed relationships? Tells me that you’re not really concerned about virtue, and that you just want women to bear the brunt of some imagined (and completely un-Biblical and illogical) “traditional” notion of propriety that insists that it’s a woman’s fault when men behaves like an unrestrained animal.

          I’ve bought tickets and seen that movie in Latin America. Tacitly encouraging young men to act out their worst impulses — because women will cover for them — doesn’t really work so well.

          /rant

          • avgjo

            I’d be interested to hear what Freiss has to say about this. I took his statement as assuming that women have the last word on this issue. In our culture, that’s usually the case.

            It certainly would help if he had actually said something, though. After all, I’m the one always blabbing about appearances and imagery.

          • aesthete

            that weren’t there — I do like your interpretation of the statement more than mine!

            It’s pretty amusing that it took so long for the birdbrains in the media to “get it”… but it was still a kind of inappropriate comment, especially coming as it did from a man (and an older one, at that). IMO, outside of the most generalized commentary (i.e., “don’t have sex outside of marriage”), statements directed at women’s chastity or sexuality are better received and more appropriately phrased by other women — it is crass and chivalrousness for a man to castigate women who use birth control as sex-crazed sluts, which IMO this comment did — even if such thoughts have some basis in reality (I don’t think they do), they are realities best expressed in private, if at all. There is a certain practical wisdom in the Christian culture’s perpetuation of “men’s retreats” and “women’s conferences”, or other gender-specific material and outlets, as a way to transmit sexual virtue — in that it avoids these problems (and others, besides).

            Again, YMMV and I hope I’m wrong — but even if well-intended, these comments really just aren’t appropriate at all as casual asides coming from men, esp. men who are part of a group that is generally perceived as has very little respect for women — namely, moneyed older corporate men in positions of power.

          • avgjo

            My irritation that came out at girlfriday was really at the coarsening of our culture. It amazes me how indignant people get at comments like this, but Obama’s ‘punish with a baby’ or other trash comments don’t get a second look.

            From a purely rhetorical standpoint,

            I remember reading several practical and theoretical manuals on rhetoric, and they all agreed on, among others, the point that overuse of powerful language desensitizes audiences. I would proffer as a corollary to this that increasingly powerful language becomes necessary. Of course, this leads to a vicious cycle. What none of those luminaries of communication have been able to convey to me is how to reverse the trend.

            You’re a very smart fellow, so I won’t waste your time putting 2 and 2 together.

            I’m not trying to defend the coarseness of what was said, though. And as you said, it’s particulary bad-looking from an older, powerful man.

            Now, I know from direct access to such situations that women will go after less agressive guys, even insulting their character/manhood if they don’t hit on them. (‘Are you some kind of weirdo?’ ‘Do you have any cajones?’ ‘Are you gay?’) I would concede immediately that these are small in proportion to jackass men. But our culture, including pretty much all prominent women I can think of, praise that sort of crap, apparently as a manifestation of woman power. I wonder what the effect would be of a man like Mr. Freiss saying something like ‘If the males in this country were man enough to (a) keep their pants zipped until marriage and (b) take responsibility when they get a woman pregnant, we would not be so worried about birth control.’? while I cannot imagine the specific form it would take, my intuitions tell me it would not be pretty.

          • aesthete

            about the corruption of language in all facets; the deliberate misuse of language and semantics to make it easier for shallow or politically-correct thoughts to make it into the public discourse. The coarsening of language is, IMO, a strangled attempt to express important concepts — bluntness to the point of rudeness, whining, and coarseness are in many cases the way that people have been taught to express what moves them on an emotional level — and as untrammeled emotions are what is important in this society, important concepts are expressed in this same framework. That is why talk shows have descended into shouting matches, and arguments about what is important are colored by so much shameful rhetoric.

            This is not to say that people in the past were not brutal, cruel or emotional: but there was a language and a dichotomy reserved for the expression of important logical concepts that was well-known and practiced. Today, a person must speak somewhat anachronistically, lest they speak about logic and reason in the language and garb of emotion, or cede the field and speak in bland generalities (i.e., Romney). Orwell and Lewis were right to note how language subversion was pursued in schools — while both concentrated on institutions of higher learning, I’m of the opinion that this process is started much earlier than that — at the K-12 level. That is why government control of curriculum and teaching is so deadly to a body politic: while I’m not against funding for education, the stranglehold that governments have on the time and development of children from early childhood onwards could only have this result, IMO.

            Obama’s commentary on life, the family unit, and individual freedom is just absolute trash. Sad, really — I get the impression that he genuinely cares about his family, and he could be a great role model on those issues. If someone off the street walked up to Obama and started patronizingly talking about how unfortunate it was that he and Michelle had been punished with Malia and Sasha, I doubt that he would act well or see that person in a good light. I know plenty of leftists like that — they are blessed with children, even unplanned ones, and love their families to death — but it’s always *other people* who are “punished” with babies, who made “bad decisions” by not aborting their children, or who’s families are “a mess”. They have this strange theoretical construct of the family as a harmful, manipulative entity that only applies to other families — not their own. This is especially true, I’ve observed, among liberal Jews and well-off blacks and Hispanics. It’s unfortunate, and speaks to a basic disdain and lack of empathy for other people, as well as a strange form of cognitive dissonance.

          • tandem

            are sick of paying for other people’s kids as well? Not in agreement, but just a guess. If anything, they hope that contraception is vital to preventing people from getting abortions in the first place.

            But I actually find that it’s mostly white liberals that promote abortion as a real solution. It “helps” poor people avoid more setbacks in life and also prevents another unloved child. I actually had a white, liberal co-worker of mine ( during a conversation about the “hood” ) express how she thought abortion was good for both the child, the mom, and society and if white conservatives are so afraid of minorities overrunning them, why are they against abortion of predominantly minority children, who might grow up to steal their purses and suck up public monies anyway?

            Maybe an ‘aspirin between the legs’ for poor women would be helpful , but poor women often don’t have sex or carry through with pregnancies because they’re “promiscuous” they are looking for the same thing other middle class people are: love and acceptance.

            I lived in Newark, NJ for a while around a lot of young mothers and they often just wanted to be loved by the father, or a baby to love them. This is NOT an inhuman urge. The problem is that their decision making capabilities are underdeveloped ( often because they’re still teenagers anyway) and they fall into the trap they “they will be different” from the rest, and then it isn’t, and then the cycle of single motherhood begins again.

            BUT the real culprit is a deteriorating family unit: girls with fathers in the home have lower rates of pregnancy. Why? Because there’s somebody there telling that they’re loved, that they’re valuable, precious and beautiful. Arrest rates are lower for men who grew up with fathers in the home. Why? Because they get direction and instruction on things that matter in life, and the boys don’t have to go around impregnating girls to prove their manhood, because they are learning how to be men at home.

            So there is whole generation of young, often minority women starved for Love and Value and a whole generation of young men starved for Purpose. Where are young people supposed to get direction from if not from the home? Do we think little brown kids ‘should’ve figured out by now’ how to raise themselves?

            Unfortunately, the way that poor folks go about getting what they want is often used both by the Right and the Left to paint them as degenerates, sometimes rightfully, and sometimes ugly.

            And it’s funny because the ‘poor folk’ we’re talking about this don’t sit here and read this crap; they’re going on about their lives. And while parties argue about what to do with ‘poor people’- like they’re animals or something- the real nitty gritty work isn’t getting done.

          • tandem

            yes, I’m a woman, and yes I’m pro-life, and yes, I believe the welfare system needs to be cut by like, 90%. Period. Let private charities do their jobs!

          • aesthete

            than actually thinking about what goes on in that environment — so is throwing money at them. You’re right on the money regarding what causes these vicious cycles — and the solution to that problem of deteriorating family units is one that government largely cannot provide. The government simply cannot take the place of the family, or enable the family to come together in a cohesive fashion: that is completely up to individuals.

            Personally? I support contraceptives: I think they’re a great way to make sure that you’re not bringing a life into this world that you’re not prepared to take care of responsibly, even if you’re thinking in the context of a married couple. However, I support contraceptives precisely because I believe that a parent shouldn’t be punishing his or her child by raising them poorly or abandoning them — not because I think that the child is punishing his or her mother and father.

          • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

            Melissa Clouthier’s piece about CPAC and appropriate attire for women? Link is here.

            I realize her article wasn’t about the contraception issue, but since some of the comments here have led to the behavior of men and women, I thought it relevant to the topic.

            While I agree that young men need to be taught to behave and control themselves every bit as much as young women (how do I put this delicately?), men do react differently than women. Melissa is absolutely correct in her assessment of how women dress. I see women at work every day (law firm) who are dressed inappropriately to say the least. To expect men to work with them and yet ignore the assets on display certainly requires a healthy dose of discipline. Some of the women may be unaware, but there are those who dress for attention and then complain when they get it.

            My husband and I have a couple of divorced male friends, You might be surprised to hear them talk about not only the divorced women but also the married women they meet both in bars and at the mega church in town who are looking for a hook up.

            I guess my point is that I still believe my dad gave me some good advice when I was a young girl. I’ll get as much respect as I deserve if I demand it. Unfortunately, it seems women aren’t demanding much these days,

          • aesthete

            and it is healthy for dads to be involved in their daughters’ lives, and to be able to impart wisdom about the male gender (and that perspective) to their progeny. However, the relationship between family members is a unique case precisely because of the bonds formed, and the responsibility that the members of the family feel towards one another — these unique features make the family a safe and appropriate place for these discussions to happen without it being in bad taste.

            I understand what you mean about men and women being different, and have no problem with gender-specific advice — I allude to that above when referencing the mostly good job that the Christian community does among its population of being discreet with such matters, and providing fora for the specific genders. I don’t generally think it’s helpful to introduce the opposite gender to that discussion outside of very personal contexts. All men and women should be taught to treat each other decently — and all are responsible for the choices that they make and the consequences of those choices — no ifs, ands, or buts! The way that we communicate this to each gender might be different, or the emphasis given — but we can do this without compromising the need for both males and females to take responsibility for their actions.

            Men cannot be taught that they are nothing more than a bunch of hormones that women must keep under sexual control, and women must not be taught that they are obligated to attend or respond to mens’ lusts in any way. These ideas justify far too many behaviors with the catch-all phrase “boys will be boys”, or make a false equivalence with responsible (but attractive!) femininity, and truly wanton behavior on the part of the fairer sex. At the extreme end, these beliefs lead to a slackened awareness of (and concern for) men sexually abusing women, or harmful codependent behaviors. Both masculinity and femininity suffer when these ideas are inculcated in them, IMO.

            Sex and the rules surrounding it are somewhat arbitrary to navigate: many common-sense guidelines that are learned from experience seem absurd, vestigial, or irrational to someone with no experience on these issues, or to people who haven’t, for whatever reason, developed good discernment. Since it’s a touchy subject (especially at the onset of puberty) with lots of emotions wrapped up in it, approaching it in the right way is difficult. I can tell you right now that there’s a much higher chance of me receiving and taking seriously well-intentioned advice on the subject from a guy at the “clubhouse” than I can from a woman, or in a mixed-gender context. This doesn’t just apply to Christians: in society at large, a guy is going to be more receptive to relationship advice at a bar with his (male) friends, camping (surprisingly), or other “guy” activities, than elsewhere. From general observation, the same seems to be true of women, as well.

            Time, place, tact, and messenger are the difference between creepy weirdo obsessed with the particulars of your sex life, and meaningful advice received in the spirit that it was given.

            Thus endeth this week’s “Ask aesthete anything” relationship and sex advice column. Tune in next time for his politically-incorrect views on divorce!

          • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

            and I agree with you. I get what you were saying about Freiss as well. Just seems to me that not enough is being said in private, whether family member to family member, buddy to buddy, or chick to chick. And it’s a given that the message young people hear in public is pretty much do whatever you want.

            For what it’s worth, my husband goes camping with his buddies at least a couple of times a year with my blessing. A few years ago, several of them went camping at a nearby state park. They were supposed to stop and get a permit, but for whatever reason, didn’t and so they got kicked out the second day. They ended up back at our house and took over the basement. Like any good wife, I provided snacks, the remote and even threw down a couple of Victoria’s Secret catalogs with the promise that I would closet myself in our bedroom upstairs so as not to disturb them (our son who was about 12 was tied to his video games and out of the way as well). Not long afterward we were all settled, my husband called and said they needed me downstairs. Needless to say he didn’t feel very manly when he had to ask me to unblock the TV channels. Mind you, these were not of the extreme variety, but simply anything over PG-13 that we had blocked from our son and his friends. Best camping trip ever. LOL.

            As for your politically incorrect views on divorce, I think laws should be much tougher and that many of the ills in today’s society started when divorce laws became more lax. If that’s where you’re headed, you’ll be preaching to the choir. In any event, I’ve enjoyed today’s installment of “Ask aesthete anything,” and look forward to the next. Have a good night.

          • runner12

            You will get no argument from me on that one.

    • johnt

      n/t. See below.
      My offer stands..

  • weyland

    …was meant to be reply to hisgirlfriday. Agree with everything you said — remark was just creepy.

    • Caleb Howe

      to hisgirlfriday. I’ll delete the extras.
      - c

  • Aaron Gardner

    nt.

    • ashland_avenue

      A feminist

  • aesthete

    I’ll second the commentary that Freiss’s joke was in poor taste and makes him come off kind of creepy… but, dang! That is a hilarious level of obliviousness coming from the MSM.

    Let it be said that, if nothing else, a President Santorum would create a political comedy maelstrom the likes of which have never been seen on this planet.

  • altexas

    To my knowledge, abstinence has only failed once in the human history..

    • weyland

      This is no time for personal attacks on Gov. Palin’s family!

      • altexas

        She’s my Daddy!

      • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

        I’m pretty sure that this comment is in reference to Jesus and the Virgin Mary.

      • Jack_Savage

        For someone who claims to have such a rockin’ sex life, you seem to spend a lot of time on this website too…

        • weyland

          n/t

          • Jack_Savage

            “If you believe that making babies is the only rational reason to have sex ? then clearly you haven?t had much of a sex life. Indeed, it seems you might be a virgin; not that there?s anything wrong with that, but it seems to be a weak position from which to make pronouncements about intercourse.”

            Since you are very busy making pronouncements about intercourse, it stands to reason you believe you have a rockin’ sex life.

            And yet you’re STILL here…

            Explanation needed.

          • altexas

            Matthew 1:18

            ??? ?? [?????] ??????? ? ??????? ?????
            ?? ????????????? ??? ?????? ????? ??????
            ?? ????? ???? ? ????????? ?????? ??????
            ?? ?????? ?????? ?? ????????? ?????

          • altexas

            Cannot read Greek.

          • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

            Die Geburt Christi war aber also getan. Als Maria, seine Mutter, dem Joseph vertraut war, fand sich’s ehe er sie heimholte, da? sie schwanger war von dem heiligen Geist.

          • altexas

            On a wild ass guess I would suggest you are WHITE, Anglo-Saxon and Protestant. Clearly a racist.

  • http://tuleya.com Tuleya

    My almost 70 year old mother said she had not heard the aspirin joke since her grandparents used to joke about it when she was little. Only in a overly sexual society would people be offended by an old man joking about women not getting pregnant IF they don’t have sex.

    • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

      radical feminists have a totalitarian, no separation of politics and personal, view on these things – and as such … have NO sense of humor, because they can tolerate no dissonance between the stated political position and any personal belief.

      So brainwashed feminists will NOT get the aspirin joke. In fact, you could probably use it as a test for feminism. “if you are offended by aspirin between knee jokes, you might be a feminist.”

  • jmartin70

    Funny – I got his joke the moment he said it in the video.
    Two reasons I think this has become bigger than it needed to be:

    1. It was a remark made by a person with an [R] by their name to a person with a [D] by their name. This is never helpful…… D’s don’t usually get jokes R’s tell.

    2. Even if the D did get the joke…… they don’t want ANYONE telling them what to do with their bodies…..especially not to have sex with whomever, whenever, wherever, however they want……

    Bonus: just try to imagine Andrea Mitchell with her husband……isn’t it Alan Greenspan??……. yeah, neither can I …..and I don’t want to …….

    • jmartin70

      Now….if I understand what is meant by comments regularly aimed at members of congress when they say they are going to stand up to the current administration and end up giving up and giving in…….. then it seems members of congress placing an aspirin between their butt-cheeks would…….nothing more needs to be said……

  • blcartwright

    so that means these people have jobs. Despite that, liberals want to complain that these employed people can’t afford $10-$20 a month for a prescription.

    I just did some Googling…Planned Parenthood gives the price range as $15-$50. Another said $9-$84. You get the lower prices by choosing generic. It also said that for the $84 pill, the cop=pay can be as high as $40.

    So unless you decide to get the most expensive brand name pills and have someone else pay half the bill, it looks like many birth control pill prices don’t exceed the copay . Oh, that’s right, Obama got rid of the copay.

  • ag8tor

    until I saw MSNBC associted with it. They are the short bus passengers on the MSM line. PLease don’t give much credability to anything associated with this so-called “news” channel!

  • Seedyrom

    in a couple of decades as their population dropped.

  • cam1

    is typical of the idiocy we have in the “Drive by Media”. In case she reads this blog, Grace, if a woman holds an aspirin tablet, between her knees, whatever the make, it is difficult, if not impossible, to conceive a child (become pregnant).

  • rickc

    Freiss was simply making a joke….PERIOD. Shows how idiotic our society is today that a sense of humor is now attacked. I pity those that can’t tell a joke from a serious jab. And here is proof that the responsibility rest with the female to control entry into her private parts. If it takes an aspirin to do it, so be it. But she really doesn’t need the aspirin. When a woman does what God created her to do there is not a man alive that will still want to do what God created him to want to do. Here is proof. (I hope this works)

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdJqszJOYrc

  • rickc

    Just copy and paste.

  • ihateliberals

    insensitive to these youngsters but in the 1950′s when i grew up that or a condom was the only method besides abstinence. Look the joke was in bad taste and absolutely is not doing Santorum any good but it shouldn’t be hurting him either. Why don’t they ask Romney that question or maybe back in the day they should have asked their favorite son JFK. All of this cultural issues is a bunch of nonsense to be asking the President anyway. Except for Obama no other President has had the time to delve into what should be congressional matters. Congress are the ones that create law not the President. You can always tell when a journalist hs nothing to write about they will write about any insignificant thing they can find. This is it for this week.

  • razor

    You know what is even more effective birth control than aspirin? Holding a picture of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz between your legs.

  • johnt

    contraceptives if you buy my Viagra. OK? We really don’t need the federal guvmint to get involved here,& we don’t need rightous rhetoric for for the price of a bit more than a box of eggs,
    This is not a legimate birth control debate, you do not get an abortion at your pharmacy. An outburst of rightousness is forgiveable, but bring your own wallet to the drug store.
    P S, can you pay for my suppositories also?

  • cowatchman

    I foun Mr. Friess reply to be a sutle swipe at the Media, and Andrea Mitchell. The was the tongue in cheek humor that was completely over the head of most Liberals including Ms Mitchell. I’m sure Mr Friess was aware that at some point Ms Mitichell planned to bring up the issue of contraceptives vs the Catholic Church. The Media knows of Santorum’s stand and I’m sure they sought to harm Santorum by having his donor Mr Friess on as to set him up. The joke truly is on the media, the same media who painted Bill Clintons romp in the White House as nothing more than…sex…no big deal! It was almost to obvious how Mr. Friess flustered Ms Mitchell with his moral slap to Ms Mitchell and the Media in general. The above article is proof that the “Free Love anti-establishment former hippies of the sixties” media mentality was bewildered that morality is as simple as a word picture of an Aspirin between a womans legs. Considering that the President was insisting that this was a “Women’s health issue” the focus was naturally on women, but being adults it does take two to tango and one’s morality is another’s frustration. This “word picture” was more than a bad joke it was in my view a poke in the eye to the former “Free Love anti-establishment former hippies of the sixtes mentality” adopted by the Liberal thought process where choices mean nothing and consequences are the governments problem. No better argument than the Presidents own “I don’t want them stuck with a baby.” As somehow a baby is after problem of recreational sex and therefore disposable. They have no problem using a pill to rid them of a pregnancy from recreational sex much like an Aspirin to relieve a headache. They can’t grasp the thought of anything being held between the legs of a woman as a moral thought…their morailty is the pill to rid them of “a baby” Funny that they will use the term baby in conversation but to defend abortion the must call it something other than what it is.. that being a baby. Nancy Pelosi had to comment about teaching Republicans about biology, that definatly would be a laugh a second but that is a comment for another time..
    I can’t figure out the difference though of that standard joke concerning sex.. “Not to night I have a headache.” Wow a mood killer…

    Liberals fun to laugh at,
    but confusing as hell frozen over.