Below, watch Chris Christie deliver an epic smack down:
Via Newsbusters, which has a partial transcript. Here is the red meat:
“Let’s have the President of the United States show some courage, come on this program, look into the camera like I’m looking into the camera and state his position,” the Governor continued. “He won’t because he wants to have it both ways.”
“I’m not looking to have it both ways,” said Christie. “I vetoed the bill. That’s my position. What I’ve offered to the supporters of same sex marriage is if one of your reasons for why I should have signed it is because you’re telling me the majority of the people in New Jersey want it then prove it. Put it on the ballot and prove it. At least I’m standing up for what I believe in. The President has hidden on this issue, Jonathan, he’s hidden on it. He wants to have it both ways.”
That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you deal with spin. Consider this an Open Thread.
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Christie is great like that, but the real scary part is
Common_Cents (Diary) Thursday, February 23rd at 6:20PM EDT (link)how far that ding bat guest Jonathan bends over to grab his ankles for obama.
It’s truly the cult of personality. People invent new positions for obama, invent virtual rosy economies by/for obama(as Rush pointed out today).
Nobody will hold obama accountable for anything. It truly is some brainwashed cult.
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
The GOP should have a media boot camp
Common_Cents (Diary) Thursday, February 23rd at 6:24PM EDT (link)For every elected member and candidate on how to deal with the media.
There are only a few that really know how to do it like Christie, Trump, Gingrich, Giuliani, Rubio, West etc…
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
well it's not really that hard, it's called being
kyle8 (Diary) Thursday, February 23rd at 7:14PM EDT (link)straightforward. The reason so many politicians don’t speak this way is because they are crap-eating weasels who don’t really believe in the things they want us to vote for them for.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Agree Kyle, I don't think most of them really care much
Common_Cents (Diary) Thursday, February 23rd at 9:15PM EDT (link)Except getting re-elected. The DC elite lifestyle I’m sure is intoxicating.
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
Good idea com_cents.
carolina Thursday, February 23rd at 7:20PM EDT (link)I think it would also be great if there were more conservative owned lamestream media outlets.
The constant (ignorant) bias by all of the liberal press is nauseating. Fox isn’t perfect, but it is a lot less disgusting to listen to than the other stations.
"so-called defense of marriage act" Capeheart is a
throwback59 Thursday, February 23rd at 7:27PM EDT (link)“so-called” journalist.
Christie should have run
Whacker77 Thursday, February 23rd at 7:33PM EDT (link)Chris Christie should have run for president. During the rise of Newt, I heard everyone say we need Newt because he’d take it to Obama in the debates. Well, does anyone think Christie wouldn’t?
I don't think so.
get2djnow (Diary) Thursday, February 23rd at 9:15PM EDT (link)Christie is bombastic enough, but Newt is willing to shred slObama with both intellect and bombast. Frankly, I think they would have made the best team: Newt/Christie 2012. Oh well, Christie has thrown in with sleepytime Romneycare. Sad.
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God established an everlasting covenant with the Jews, to wit:
“And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.” (Genesis 17:7)
“Lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are, northward and southward and eastward and westward, for all the land which you see I will give to you and to your descendants forever.” (Genesis 13:14)
“For those who are with us here today before Hashem our God and (also) those who are not here with us today.” (Deuteronomy 29:14)
I'm confused a little.
the_invisible_hand (Diary) Thursday, February 23rd at 9:09PM EDT (link)Is Christie’s position that gay marriage is ok if the people want it? I don’t think that is the SoCon position.
The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn’t work and then they get elected and prove it.
-P. J. O’Rourke
Dead on!
get2djnow (Diary) Thursday, February 23rd at 9:19PM EDT (link)Christie shouldn’t have vetoed the bill because it should be a ballot issue, he should have vetoed the bill because homosexual marriage is a farce. If homosexuals want equality, that should be afforded them under the law, but marriage should be strictly defined as one man and one woman. But really, he’s not a Conservative, so we shouldn’t expect that to be his position. He is right about The One wanting to have it both ways.
A1C Elizabeth N. Jacobson (26 Mar 1984 – 28 Sep 2005) Killed by an IED during OEF, probably of Iranian origin, but aided by having predictably scheduled logistics convoys.
God established an everlasting covenant with the Jews, to wit:
“And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.” (Genesis 17:7)
“Lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are, northward and southward and eastward and westward, for all the land which you see I will give to you and to your descendants forever.” (Genesis 13:14)
“For those who are with us here today before Hashem our God and (also) those who are not here with us today.” (Deuteronomy 29:14)
get2, what are you talking about?
demsaresatanic Thursday, February 23rd at 10:11PM EDT (link)Where did Christie say that he “vetoed the bill because it should be a ballot issue?”
The reason Christie vetoed the bill...
get2djnow (Diary) Tuesday, February 28th at 10:43PM EDT (link)is what I was addressing. Christie’s reasoning was the need for the issue to be on the NJ ballot. I think that’s a stupid reason, but certainly not a Conservative reason. The Conservative reason for vetoing the bill is that “Gay Marriage” is a farce. Marriage is a special union between one man and one woman. If he believed this was the case, he would have stated it in his remarks.
A1C Elizabeth N. Jacobson (26 Mar 1984 – 28 Sep 2005) Killed by an IED during OEF, probably of Iranian origin, but aided by having predictably scheduled logistics convoys.
God established an everlasting covenant with the Jews, to wit:
“And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.” (Genesis 17:7)
“Lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are, northward and southward and eastward and westward, for all the land which you see I will give to you and to your descendants forever.” (Genesis 13:14)
“For those who are with us here today before Hashem our God and (also) those who are not here with us today.” (Deuteronomy 29:14)
get2, that's not my take on it, he has stated
demsaresatanic Tuesday, February 28th at 11:11PM EDT (link)several objections, including the one you mention, but it looks to me that your preference for “marriage is a special union between one man and one woman” rationale is covered pretty well. Take a look at this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/nyregion/christie-vetoes-gay-marriage-bill.html
I appreciate why you think he's opposing this on religious grounds.
get2djnow (Diary) Monday, March 12th at 1:28AM EDT (link)I completely disagree that he’s opposed on religious grounds. He’s a left of center blue state Republican who would be more than happy to have the voters of his state override his veto and take the pressure off of him politically. He can not, religiously or politically, be seen as advocating gay marriage. I don’t see him as more or less duplicitous than any other Republican politician who wants to keep the few NJ Conservatives voting for him, but he’s not a Social Conservative and maybe not even a fiscal Conservative. Recently, he’s avoided blame for the increased tolls on PATH controlled bridges, and he’s also attacked the NYPD for monitoring the actions of Muslim groups in the NY metro area, when he knew that this was happening. It should be increasingly difficult for Conservatives to think of him as one of them.
A1C Elizabeth N. Jacobson (26 Mar 1984 – 28 Sep 2005) Killed by an IED during OEF, probably of Iranian origin, but aided by having predictably scheduled logistics convoys.
God established an everlasting covenant with the Jews, to wit:
“And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.” (Genesis 17:7)
“Lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are, northward and southward and eastward and westward, for all the land which you see I will give to you and to your descendants forever.” (Genesis 13:14)
“For those who are with us here today before Hashem our God and (also) those who are not here with us today.” (Deuteronomy 29:14)
Well
mikefromny Thursday, February 23rd at 10:23PM EDT (link)Both houses of NJ wanted it. The people voted them in to office.
In our representative democracy, does that not mean the people want it?
Do you maintain that position w.r.t. Obamacare?
RichmondG30 Thursday, February 23rd at 10:46PM EDT (link)Both the House and the Senate wanted it. The people voted them into office. Since those two things are both true, are we suggesting that we bend over and grab our ankles for socialized medicine too?
The Governor is given the power of the veto to use it as he sees fit.
If you are suggesting that the Governor/President/Other Chief Executive should sign every bill that crosses his desk, then why not just make a bill automatically become law after passing both houses?
based solely on this interview
Caleb Howe (Diary) Friday, February 24th at 12:00AM EDT (link)It sounds like he wants the proponents to prove NJ is with them.
Caleb Howe (formerly known as absentee)
The first mistake was allowing the State (govt) to issue marriage licences.
carolina Thursday, February 23rd at 9:52PM EDT (link)The govt should have been relegated to ‘domestic partnerships’ from day 1. The Church should have always been the ONLY source of a Marriage (Holy Matrimony).
Just imagine the difference between the divorce rate among those committed to Holy Matrimony vs those with State domestic partnerships.
We would have none of the problems with gay marriage, etc today – IF we had kept the govt out of the ‘marriage’ business in the first place.
Govt force is insidious.
Which religious groups get to marry then?
naraht Thursday, February 23rd at 10:02PM EDT (link)Jews? Muslims? Buddhists? Quakers (and if so which member of the Quaker group)? Hopi Shamans? Santaria leaders? Voodoo Shamans? First church of “I set up a church so that people can mail into the state of California for the right to be a marriage officiant?”?
Let folks marry in any church.
carolina Thursday, February 23rd at 11:08PM EDT (link)All of the legal mumbo jumbo would require a state sanctioned ‘domestic partnership’ contract/certificate (to establish all of the financial/legal responsibilities and benefits).
Separate the legal redtape (contract) from the committment to Holy Matrimony. I think this would empower the Church to establish (require) some serious pre-marital counseling, etc. The Church(es) could get out of the rubber stamp role they often find themselves in now. True matrimony would achieve an elevated status compared to the situation we have today – where folks can “get married” by a notary.
Sure, let's undo
lapert Thursday, February 23rd at 10:06PM EDT (link)Sure, let’s undo the Protestant Reformation – marriage should be just as it was in the 16th century…
Does it beat the alternatve, asthete...
acat (Diary) Thursday, February 23rd at 10:11PM EDT (link)of churches that refuse to perform or allow gay ceremonies in their buildings losing tax-exempt status?
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Wouldn't that...
ragstoriches Friday, February 24th at 3:10PM EDT (link)fall under the same laws of conscience as other issues?
You can’t force a church to change its doctrine by government fiat to allow marriage of two people when that relationship is clearly condemned by doctrine… that’s no different than forcing religions to pay for …
Oh wait. I guess *this* administration can trample religious freedom, can’t it?
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” — John Quincy Adams
Irrelevant conclusion
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, February 23rd at 11:01PM EDT (link)Removing government from the equation by no means undoes the Protestant Reformation, which had nothing to do with placing marriage in the state’s hands.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Actually it did
lapert Thursday, February 23rd at 11:17PM EDT (link)Martin Luther called marriage “”a worldly thing . . . that belongs to the realm of government”. One of the aspects of the Protestant Reformation was putting the state in charge of recording and setting rules for marriage.
He also called Jews a bunch of very nasty things
aesthete (Diary) Friday, February 24th at 4:18AM EDT (link)Doesn’t mean the Protestant Reformation was about anti-Semitism.
Nowhere in the 95 Theses is marriage in the context of government brought up, and the Protestant world was split on the issue.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Sure, only allowing churches to perform marriages will work ... Not
bogornes Friday, February 24th at 2:21AM EDT (link)You are ignoring so many facts (one, many denominations presently perform gay wedding ceremonies). In the end, you would merely ban atheists/agnostics from marriage while still allowing religious gay couples the full rights and title of marriage. At the same time, most conservatives not only oppose gay marriage, but almost all other rights for gays (and oppose domestic partnerships). Hence, there remains pretty much no desire to push this idea, even though it’s been around for many years.
Speaking of special interest groups, which party is after this one:
GregInFla (Diary) Friday, February 24th at 12:26AM EDT (link)The “white vote”. I mean, from listening to the smart people out there, if you have a “black vote”, and a “latino vote”, and a “gay vote”, and a “name-the-group vote,” then why not a “white vote”? Oh, you say that not all “white people” vote alike. Sounds correct. But it’s also rather self-serving/conceited to recognize that “white people” can think outside of their “whiteness”, but others cannot not.
But why assume that all other “vote” groups vote alike? A “black vote” member may also be a evangelical Christian, (there were plenty at the W.Houston funeral) just like a “white” person. As Rush says, when I look, I see people, I see individuals, and I recognize they each are unique.
Pardon the rant nature, but saw this open thread and could not resist.
– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
44% of Latinos voted for Bush
wantthegopback Friday, February 24th at 1:22AM EDT (link)In 2004, according to some exit polls. 41% of whites voted for Kerry. Looks like latinos are at least, if not more open minded than whites
….. And in all seriousness non-white groups don’t vote alike. Why do you assume so?
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I don't assume so
GregInFla (Diary) Sunday, March 18th at 4:00PM EDT (link)I am speaking from what the “experts” say and how candidates have to win “their” vote, which implies they all vote alike.
– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
It's an exit...
Crash71234 Friday, February 24th at 7:01AM EDT (link)not an entrance!
Amen
Capehart got P'wned while lying for the messiah
Seedyrom (Diary) Friday, February 24th at 10:51AM EDT (link)Obama’s position on DOMA is the same as Christie. Capehart went on Larry O”Donnell’s “Last Word” on MSDNC last night to whimper his side of the story and proselytize why the governor was wrong. He’ll end up with his own show soon enough. More likeable than the evening goons but a shill for Obama non the less.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45755883/vp/46507922#46507922