Tammy Bruce, columnist, radio host & conservative gay activist, announced on her website today that she will resign her position as advisory board member to GoProud.
I want to let you know that after being a supporter and serving as Chair of the Advisory Board since May of 2010, I gave Chris Barron and Jimmy LaSalvia my resignation Saturday night. If you search GOProud here at the blog you’ll see the affection with which I’ve held both Chris and Jimmy, and I wish them well.
I spoke with Tammy at the CPAC convention and when asked for comment on the reason for her departure she had no comment except to reiterate her position from the website that she,”looks forward to working with conservatives across the spectrum on issues that matter to all of us.”
There has been some speculation as to the future of GoProud as it has run into opposition from the incoming ACU chair Al Cardenas who indicating that he may want to distance CPAC from the organization after controversial statements made by GoProud co-founder Chris Barron.
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Tammy is not in favor of same-sex-marriage
NickDeringer (Diary) Saturday, February 12th at 5:41PM EDT (link)Tammy is out spoken and blunt. When she says that gay people shouldn’t try to redefine traditional marriage because it not good for the country I think she means it.
I think the wheels are coming off the GOProud bus. It’s not a conservative organization. It’s a small government Liberal organization.
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Tammy has her head on straight..
speciallist (Diary) Saturday, February 12th at 5:47PM EDT (link)tweeps can follow her at @HeyTammyBruce
Too quick to hurl the "b" word
junkbondtrader41 Saturday, February 12th at 6:05PM EDT (link)This is yet another situation where gay conservatives are too careless in throwing out a charge of “bigotry.”
The more appropriate term would be “gay hater.” Let’s be clear. There are people left, right, and center who hate gays. Cleta Mitchell is not one of them. It’s too bad, I’m not one who thinks “gay” and “conservative” are mutually exclusive, and a gay person can be an ally in the fight against big government. But this wasn’t the way to handle your maiden voyage at CPAC.
It is a substitute for the "d" word
Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, February 12th at 6:17PM EDT (link)“Disagree”.
It's very telling
NickDeringer (Diary) Saturday, February 12th at 6:35PM EDT (link)GOProud doesn’t see to understand what the term “Conservative” means. Did they think they could call themselves conservative and suddenly social conservatives would support redefining marriage? We’re not anti-gay. We’re pro-family. For those of us who are Christian, the Bible is the best guide to a strong individual and a strong individual is necessary for a strong nation.
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If you are truly pro-family, we should outlaw divorce.
dcgator Saturday, February 12th at 7:12PM EDT (link)If that is TOO pro-family, prohibit it in the case where there are children born.
I see your point, but
taxpayer1234 (Diary) Saturday, February 12th at 7:27PM EDT (link)my parents’ getting divorced was necessary for the good of the family. That doesn’t mean all was peachy and fine–but the alternative was worse.
As was mine
dcgator Saturday, February 12th at 7:31PM EDT (link)and I know for a fact that my life would have been a lot worse if they had stayed together.
However, this attempt to define “conservative” as being what is in the Bible is a slippery slope.
I bet there are a lot of people who would not advocate outlawing divorce because they would say its BIG government getting involved in peoples’ personal lives.
nice strawman
streiff (Diary) Sunday, February 13th at 2:37PM EDT (link)but playing along for a while I’d defy you to show how making divorce easy… it hasn’t been “illegal” in the US since independence — has made society better and why forbidding divorce involving children over anything other than physical abuse or adultery is bad.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
I don't think divorce should be easy.
taxpayer1234 (Diary) Monday, February 14th at 10:18PM EDT (link)But outlawing it is downright insane. Couples who hate each other could stop living together, but what if they want to remarry? Why should they be denied the chance at a successful, loving marriage? And if there are young children involved, why should they be continually exposed to animus and rancor instead of love and security?
My parents each went on to have happy second marriages. And I thank God for those blessings on them.
Ah I seem to have awakened the secular giant
NickDeringer (Diary) Saturday, February 12th at 8:09PM EDT (link)It’s foolish to believe that the Conservative movement can exist without social conservatives. If the GOP and conservatives cave on same-sex marriage, they will lose Christian conservatives. Unlike you, we look to God for answers and not the government.
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I don't disagree, but ...
junkbondtrader41 Saturday, February 12th at 8:22PM EDT (link)Why is there no reciprocation in this reasoning? There is very little in the Christian conservative agenda I don’t share, but as this”you NEED us” line we hear so often is recited, the corollary is never considered. Christian conservatives NEED the libertarian wing of the party as well. You’re half, we’re half, and individually, we’re both laughable minorities nationally.
What specifically is meant by “caving” on marriage? Is anyone here talking about changing the platform? Coming out in favor of gay marriage? Even GOProud is simply against a Constitutional amendment. Would a simple modulation of rhetoric and less wearing this on our sleeve be considered “caving?”
Am I wrong?
Ann Coulter got GOProud to drop marriage plank
NickDeringer (Diary) Saturday, February 12th at 8:43PM EDT (link)This is not just about rhetoric. Tammy Bruce understands that it is Judeo-Christians values that make it possible for her to live safely in America. She routinely speaks to Christian groups and they welcome her.
Ann Coulture nailed it in her speech. You should listen to it.
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Thanks for the link ...
junkbondtrader41 Saturday, February 12th at 8:54PM EDT (link)Very well said on Ann’s part. Respectful to both sides.
actually we don't
streiff (Diary) Sunday, February 13th at 2:39PM EDT (link)the “liberatarian” wing of the party, thank Heaven, is extremely small. Conservatives have never needed the votes of pro-prostitution, pro-drug use voters to win. Not only that, we don’t really want their support.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Im a social conservative
dcgator Saturday, February 12th at 8:34PM EDT (link)I believe in the sanctity of life AND that we should outlaw divorce except in the cases of adultery. As the Bible says, if a man lays with another woman except his wife (except in the cases of adultery) he too shall be an adulterer.
Why dont you share this same reasoning?
dcgator, do you think ...
junkbondtrader41 Saturday, February 12th at 8:40PM EDT (link)Even ONE couple who has fallen out of love will stay together simply because divorce isn’t recognized? Or would we simply have a load of legally “married” couples living in separate residences?
What, would the law just make you feel better?
yes.
streiff (Diary) Sunday, February 13th at 2:40PM EDT (link)We know for a fact that is the case. It was for a couple of thousand years.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Jesus believed in the separation of church and state
NickDeringer (Diary) Saturday, February 12th at 8:54PM EDT (link)“Then he said to them, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”” – Matthew 22:21
Evangelicals are against divorce. We don’t need the state to outlaw it for non-believers. By the same token, we don’t want the state defining “marraige” which is an essentially religious institution.
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martian logic
streiff (Diary) Sunday, February 13th at 2:42PM EDT (link)marriage has always been a state as well as religious institution. That is why marriage is recognized as a means for adjudicating child custody, division of property, etc.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Say what?
H (Diary) Sunday, February 13th at 4:36PM EDT (link)Only the ones who say they are. All the rest have their exceptions based on disputed biblical interpretations.
Catholic Church doctrine has no exceptions for divorce. It simply isn’t recognized under any circumstances. Unfortunately, the annulment of marriages post-divorce is a broadly abused practice that the Church is trying to get under control.
Despite it all, the divorce rate among Catholics (or at least people identifying as Catholics) is the same as the general population. I’d bet dollars to donuts that divorce is lower across the board for Christians who fervently practice their faith, regardless of their church tradition.
No fault divorce increased the divorce rate.
grandma Saturday, February 12th at 9:50PM EDT (link)Divorce was not as common before “no fault” divorce was allowed.
Sadly, Ronald Reagan was the first governor to sign NFD into law...
H (Diary) Sunday, February 13th at 3:26PM EDT (link)the states went down like dominoes after that. Admittedly, he probably had a veto-proof majority in the state legislature, but still…
NFD was the camel’s nose in the Traditional Family tent as far as statist intrusion into marriage goes.
TY for clarifying that Read.
grandma Sunday, February 13th at 8:23PM EDT (link)I had CA in the back of my mind as being the first state to allow NFD, but didn’t look up before I posted. I didn’t remember Reagan was gov. then.
California is always at the forefront of domestic lunacy...
H (Diary) Sunday, February 13th at 10:35PM EDT (link)like the Lee Marvin “Palimony” case, where a feminist lawyer (one Gloria Allred, I believe) won alimony rights for live in girlfriends in the CA supreme court.
Gotta love California.
God
gd10782 Monday, February 14th at 5:19AM EDT (link)doesn’t use the word “hate” much in the bible but He did say “I hate divorce”. (Malachi 2:16). As a social conserative I can love the sinner and still hate the sin. But, I can never not call it SIN.
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I so love and respect Tammy Bruce....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, February 12th at 7:10PM EDT (link)she is NO victim! she IS a Conservative gay woman….she does not define herself by her sexuality, she defines herself by her Conservatism as do the majority of us!
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I've spoken with Tammy...
hoosierteacher (Diary) Sunday, February 13th at 3:08PM EDT (link)…on several occassions. There are a lot of things to like about her. I’m not at all bothered by her sexual orientation, and it doesn’t seem to affect most of what she believes in at any rate.
However, I wouldn’t exactly call her conservative. In fact, she calls herself a “classical” liberal, which is the decent kind of liberal we used to have (liberalism untainted by “leftism”) in this country many decades ago.
I think a lot of us categorize her wrongly by focusing on her sexuality. I think it is more appropriate to call her a “pro-abortion” conservative. She is one of the rare people who can favor abortions, but without attacking the rest of us for being pro-life. She favors thoughtful dialogue over attacks. (most so-called “pro-choice republicans” exist to split the GOP, while Tammy and a very others exist to support 2/3s of conservative views while placing less emphasis on what we disagree on).
I disagree passionately with Tammy on the abortion issue, but I appreciate how she finds ways to reach out on other issues and to be civil.
“Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep” – Defoe
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bjwilson83 (Diary) Saturday, February 12th at 7:25PM EDT (link)That’s what I’m guessing.
I don't know what this is worth...
smitch61 Saturday, February 12th at 10:26PM EDT (link)But my neighbors are gay. They have been in a long term relationship for 22 years, and the best neighbors we have ever had. They are both conservative, against gay marriage, support some sort of legal union, but only if it is issued on a state basis and not federal. Their perception of goproud is negative. They said they would never involve themselves in any gay activist group.
I think your neighbors are typical
NickDeringer (Diary) Saturday, February 12th at 10:43PM EDT (link)Ann Couture is right. The Left is using the same-sex-marriage as a way to further destroy the family. I have yet to see a survey of gays showing a majority actually wanting to get married. It’s a myth.
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We only got half the story.
EMT907 Sunday, February 13th at 2:39AM EDT (link)Everyone’s clutching their pearls about what Barron said. It doesn’t seem like he was on the offense. He mentioned ongoing attacks, but didn’t specify by whom. Nobody seems the slightest bit curious about what was said by Heritage et.al or whomever he was referring to.
It doesn't matter...
melle1228 Sunday, February 13th at 3:06AM EDT (link)but I will play your game. Heritage foundation simply stated that they weren’t attending CPAC, and GOProud’s sponsorship was ONE of the reasons for this. They also said that the believed in the traditional definition of the family and marriage.
Heritage’s Reasoning:
“We believe in the traditional definition of the family,” Gonzalez explained. “We believe in defending the family against any threats that come against it. We’re not for gay marriage. We don’t think institutions that have existed for millennia can be done away with at the drop of a hat.”
Gonzalez emphasized that the “three pillars” of conservatism – economic liberty, national defense and social conservatism – are “indivisible.”
So because of this, you think it is okay for Barron to single out one of their members and call that person a bigot? Barron is a baby who got sick of people questioning his conservative credentials, but if you are going to advocate non-conservative positions(like gay marriage and repealing DADT) that is going to happen.
Why doesn't it matter?
EMT907 Sunday, February 13th at 3:34AM EDT (link)Because it might be unpleasant to hear? I don’t know what attacks he was referring to and based on what he said, it wasn’t solely about him. Isn’t it possible that much worse was said than his comment? Sure he should be held responsible for his words. I also think the same should apply to all involved. I’m curious about the whole story. That would be fair and balanced, wouldn’t it? Or do we just worry about those who get caught?
Further, I was not referring specifically to Heritage but whomever it was that Barron was talking about whether it be Heritage, Mitchell or whomever. As far as I know, we don’t know whom he was referring.
“So because of this, you think it is okay for Barron to single out one of their members and call that person a bigot?”
Did I say that?
“Barron is a baby who got sick of people questioning his conservative credentials,”
Is that all it was?
It doesn't matter because...
melle1228 Sunday, February 13th at 6:19AM EDT (link)You don’t call someone a bigot, because you disagree with them on policy. You lose all credibility when you do that. Even Barrons admits in his little conversation with Moe Lane that he shouldn’t have said it no matter what anyone said.
You talk about the attacks on Barron, but I have yet to hear any personal attacks on him- just the credibility of his organization pushing an agenda that doesn’t jive with Conservative principles. That is policy disagreement and not personal- something victim/identity groups don’t seem to be aware of. In fact, I have heard Barron doing more attacking than being attacked(Jim Demint etc.)
As I said in my other posts, it would be the same as a women’s group pushing the ERA or an black group pushing affirmative action. I am against those policy positions and if either of those types of groups were sponsoring CPAC would have just as much a problem.. Why? They are not Conservative groups. That doesn’t mean that I am anti-women or racist. It just means that those policies are against what I believe in.
who cares
streiff (Diary) Sunday, February 13th at 2:52PM EDT (link)GOProud is an irrelevant organization that has successfully raised its profile by attacking everyone who disagrees with it. They have no more place in our movement than any other group that specializes in identity politics and personal attacks.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
doesn't matter
streiff (Diary) Sunday, February 13th at 2:49PM EDT (link)he revealed his true agenda in that interview and hopefully we’ve seen the last of them. They were nothing more than a way of trying to rehabilitate “Log Cabin Republicans” into something that could pass for a while as a Republican rather than Democrat organization.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”