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Attacking Attack Watch’s Attack on my Attack on the Auto Bailouts

Most of you are well aware of the glorious goon squad known as Attack Watch.  Primarily from the fantastic video highlighting all of their features, but mostly because we’ve all come to the mutual agreement that they are a gigantic joke.

Yet, I feel compelled to acknowledge that I was fortunate enough to be attacked by these modern day propaganda ministers for an article that I wrote a few months ago about our favorite government funded car company, GM.

Here’s the evidence:

In an attempt to undermine the success of President Obama’s auto rescue, opponents claimed the program was a waste of money and a handout to unions. For example:

In response they gave a few pieces of “evidence” that I’m a liar and Obama saved the auto industry or something:

President Obama took decisive steps to prevent the collapse of the American auto industry by requiring that General Motors and Chrysler take action to cut labor costs, create fuel-efficient fleets, and overhaul their business models in exchange for government assistance. The President’s actions helped to save more than 1.4 million jobs and prevented personal income losses of nearly $97 billion over two years—and as of June 2011, the auto industry has added 113,000 jobs while GM and Chrysler have become profitable once again.

Advisor to the Secretary of the US Treasury Ronald Bloom said bankruptcy judges found the auto rescue plans to be reasonable and in accordance with bankruptcy law.

The President’s auto rescue required shared sacrifice from management and labor unions. According to the Chicago Tribune, “the Obama task force has been able to wring extraordinary concessions from GM management, the United Auto Workers union and a large group of creditors to eliminate many of the costs that made it vulnerable to foreign competition.” These concessions include changes in the United Auto Workers healthcare plan and a pledge from the union not to strike.

The information they chose to provide to contrast the quote they pulled from post is telling.  Notice there’s not word one about my claim that it was, a) Other people’s money and, b) involved a huge union payoff.

Luckily, I’m here to watch attack watch.

The quote that they’ve identified as “misinformation” basically has two parts which I’ll dissect below.

Paying Off the Unions with Shares of the Company

When the time came for Super Obama to swoop in and rescue the auto industry from its over-pensioned insolvency, the UAW was more than happy to hold the door open for him, and for good reason.

General Motors Corp. plans to give the United Auto Workers union 17.5 percent of its common stock, $6.5 billion of preferred shares and a $2.5 billion note to fund a trust that will take over retiree health care costs starting next year.

GM got off easy though.  UAW positively gutted Chrysler:

The United Auto Workers union would eventually own 55% of the stock in a restructured Chrysler LLC under the deal reached by the union and the auto maker, according to a summary of the agreement that was reviewed by the Wall Street Journal.

Recent GM/UAW negotiations reveal that members will receive signing bonuses as large as $5,000 each. This new model has been heralded by the UAW as the guiding framework for its ongoing negotiations with other auto manufacturers.  Sounds like all the unsustainable benefit programs that bankrupted the industry the first time are making their way back.

And remember this quote from above that Attack Watch used?

…the Obama task force has been able to wring extraordinary concessions from GM management [and] the United Auto Workers union…

Turns out there was a very good reason that they made these so-called “concessions.”

Did the United Auto Workers know when they negotiated concessions on their VEBA in exchange for ownership in General Motors and Chrysler that the their friends in Congress and the Obama Administration would make it up to them with the health care bill?

Bloomberg has uncovered a portion of the health care bill that is trulya sweetheart deal for the unions and provides an even bigger bailout to the United Auto workers. And, in so doing, may have uncovered one of the greatest swindles of all time in the making about to be committed by a government on its people.

Legislation overhauling U.S. health care includes $10 billion to pay some of the most expensive medical costs for millions of autoworkers, steelworkers, schoolteachers and other early retirees with coverage.

The provision, embedded in legislation passed in July by House and Senate committees, may help offset health-care concessions made earlier this year by the United Auto Workers as part of a government rescue of General Motors Co. and Chrysler Group LLC and related cost-cutting at Ford Motor Co.

The UAW cited the provision in an e-mail this week urging its members to support a health-care overhaul, President Barack Obama’s top domestic priority.

Call me crazy, but when you have a CEO that was literally appointed to the board by the Obama administration at the helm of a company that was bailed out with taxpayer funds which then funneled that money to special interest unions that historically vote for candidates like Barack Obama, it sounds like a payoff to me.  I think the evidence is on my side.

Billions of Dollars of Other People’s Money

When the GM inevitably collapsed under its unsustainable pension program, the U.S. government under President Bush and then President Obama, decided to help.  This is where the “other people’s money” comes into play.

The article that Attack Watch links to is a WSJ article  which cites a May 2009 Center for Automotive Research Group (CAR Group) study as evidence that the bailouts were a total success.

May….2009.

Yes, in order to prove that the bailouts were totally awesome, Obama has to go back more than 2 years to mere months from the payouts in order to make its case.  GM didn’t even file for bankruptcy until July that same year, and when it did, it received another $30.1 billion in subsidies (60% of the total $50 billion commitment).

I would assume that this study wasn’t capable of knowing how swimmingly things would go over the next few years as GM moved money from one pocket to the other to create the illusion of making good on its debts.

But the core issue here is, whose $50 billion was that? Was it other people’s money or not?

But even more core to the issue is this: Were the bailouts a good thing for America?

A report by the president’s National Economic Council noted that as Detroit automakers rebound, the taxpayers’ loss from the bailout will be about $14 billion, or less than 20 percent of the $80 billion that the Bush and Obama administration used to prop up the companies in 2008. The Treasury Department had expected losses closer to 60 percent.

Not so much.

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  • 1stRichard

    Jimmy Carter also bailed out Chrysler, and here they are again. In Carter?s deal, the military got some junk pickups, the M880. Sadly, there were 118 bad spot welds holding the sides of the bed on resulting in a good number of deaths. I wonder how bad this bailout will end up being. Could Obama be another Jimmy Carter, you decide

    • toothpick

      No way could Obama be another Jimmy Carter. Not unless he improves dramatically in the next 16 months. After that we’ll have to see how he is as an ex-president.

      • 1stRichard

        Obama will be assimilated in to the collective, our collective voice should be a Counterattack and this Attack Watch is showing us the vulnerable spots.

        Counterattack now or face the consequences

        • dmacleo

          so fitting..

      • handyfiremedic

        He has already proven Carter can be out-incompetented as a POTUS. he’ll run around the world with cart blanche making apologies, bowing to lesser leaders, and making a mockery of the office he is actively destroying now. The Oval Office has not been so reduced in respectability since Clinton soiled his dress…

        • izoneguy

          will have to buy his own teleprompter.

          • edintexas

            The teleprompters (don’t forget he needs two, so he can imitate a tennis match observer) will be part of the office equipment the taxpayers will be on the hook for while supporting his post-Presidential office.

        • edintexas

          And he won’t even have the saving grace period of building houses for Habitat. At least Carter did something worthwhile for a period after his term, and before he took on full time representation of the Left Wing to the world.

  • Raven

    Just imagine your financial advisor saying that to you. “I expected you’d lose about 60% but you really only lost 20%. Turned out great!”

    Yeah, I’m thinking he’d be in trouble and likely lose his license if you chose to pursue the matter. Assuming he didn’t go to jail, of course.

  • sbm1

    I see them with big hynotized eyes…spouting off all these propoganda sentences….

    “President Obama took decisive action……The President’s actions……The President’s plans….”

    My cynical self used to have problems understanding how propoganda machines operated and existed, but apparently there are tonnes of mindless cheerleaders willing to spin anything in honour of theri guru…..

    • kywrite

      Apparently he was concerned about some of the things he’d said attacking the president, so he reported himself, then tweeted the report to his followers.

      Whether he wins or loses, the man will make this campaign much more entertaining. Ya gotta love him.

      • sbm1

        the ones writing the attackwatch replies….

        • kywrite

          is that an awful lot of them are conservatives making fun of the whole thing. In some online communities, it’s becoming a big troll game. Check this article out:

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/attack-watch-new-obama-campaign-site-to-fight-smears-becomes-laughing-stock-of-the-internet/2011/09/14/gIQAspHDSK_blog.html

          (blech, sorry about the ugly URL) This is basically the same thing that happened with the page on whitehouse.gov Obama tried to use for basically the same thing back in 2009. I’m enjoying the show, myself. It’s fun when the crazy liberals get all red in the face and can’t do anything with their rage. Awww. Poor babies.

      • handyfiremedic

        enough said

    • handyfiremedic

      Look up Third Reich SS Uniform.

  • Michael M. Keohane

    debate tactic that only seems to work in political debates. Debater A asks debater B a question about X. Debater B gives an answer about Y. The moderator and many in the audience don’t recognize or ignore the fact that A’s question remains unanswered. I note that, here on Red State, there are some commenters who, if it was not for “begging the question,” would have to stop commenting.

  • mutantone

    I reported that the congress of the United States had Marxist-Communist holding seats. The reply was please donate to Obama’s election

  • Joshua Persons

    Sorry, I couldn’t help it this time. My teeth were on edge by the end. But nice post on the substance!

    • adair

      because eons ago some nice folks who invented English provided us with possessive pronouns so we wouldn’t have to mess with apostrophes so much.

      I hope it’s helpful not to buy a Chrysler or GM car.

      The tone of Attack Watch’s response is so … so … like you could substitute “Dear Leader” for “Our President.”

      Whoever wrote the comment that our government is being run by the spawn of the 60′s radicals (and the radicals themselves) who have made it into the government they were rebelling against was spot on.

    • Ben Howe

      …on an editor that I pass a lot of my posts through before publishing lol. (he was unavailable last night)

      I’ll be more careful next time.

  • redneckthinker

    We know Attack Watch is a joke. But they don’t. So let’s show them. I think we should bombard them with ridiculous reports. I’ve been doing it for a week and laugh out loud at myself each time. Here’s my latest:

    A old guy at the table next to me in McDonalds this morning was rightly praising Obama for having stopped the bleeding from the Bush recession. When he mentioned that Obama has saved 22 million jobs that would have been lost if the Bush policies had been left in place–a figure I think is actually too low–the guy at the next table exclaimed, “Oh, bulls**t”. The guy was middle-aged and wearing a red Ohio State cap. He drove off in a blue Ford truck. Find that son of a b**** and make him pay!

    You’ll have to enter a phony e-mail address. I always use “getajob@uraloser.com”. Then click to make your report. Fun for the whole family.

  • Craigpennsylvania

    This is a very difficult topic for the dealers in the USA and Canada. I have some good friends who lost their dealerships during the purge of 2009. Many of these dealerships were in business over multiple generations. Some of the dealers who lost the Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep franchises had recently spent millions to build new facilities.

    There is no one even talking about what happened to these people.

    This was the Federal Government who forced these closings.

    Thousands of people lost jobs over this.

    Chrysler could have been saved without the actions which were taken by the Federal Government.

    Chrysler today is much different than the numbers as posted by Ben, too. Fiat currently owns 52 % of Chrysler Corporation LLC, and will likely own 70% when this process ends. The govt. currently owns no stock.

    Fiat is already selling product in Europe under the Jeep banner, and we dealers have a much better relationship with the corporation than was had with past partnerships.

    The current PRIVATE owners of Chrysler have made the best of a bad situation.

    While I (and most dealers) did not support HOW the Obama folks handled the reorganization of Chrysler, at least we are no longer part of “Government Motors”.

    Was this worth the $2 Billion net it cost the taxpayer? In strict dollar terms, yes, it was. Foreign car companies have gotten FAR more than $2 billion in tax payer moneys. Foreign car companies are also not under a federal thumb mandating that they have to deal with the UAW.

    THAT, however, is a different topic.

    I hope I have not offended anyone.

  • Craigpennsylvania

    This is a very difficult topic for the dealers in the USA and Canada. I have some good friends who lost their dealerships during the purge of 2009. Many of these dealerships were in business over multiple generations. Some of the dealers who lost the Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep franchises had recently spent millions to build new facilities.

    There is no one even talking about what happened to these people.

    This was the Federal Government who forced these closings.

    Thousands of people lost jobs over this.

    Chrysler could have been saved without the actions which were taken by the Federal Government.

    Chrysler today is much different than the numbers as posted by Ben, too. Fiat currently owns 52 % of Chrysler Corporation LLC, and will likely own 70% when this process ends. The govt. currently owns no stock.

    Fiat is already selling product in Europe under the Jeep banner, and we dealers have a much better relationship with the corporation than was had with past partnerships.

    The current PRIVATE owners of Chrysler have made the best of a bad situation.

    While I (and most dealers) did not support HOW the Obama folks handled the reorganization of Chrysler, at least we are no longer part of “Government Motors”.

    Was this worth the $2 Billion net it cost the taxpayer? In strict dollar terms, yes, it was. Foreign car companies have gotten FAR more than $2 billion in tax payer moneys. Foreign car companies are also not under a federal thumb mandating that they have to deal with the UAW.

    THAT, however, is a different topic.

    I hope I have not offended anyone.

  • gs425

    “The President?s actions helped to save more than 1.4 million jobs…”

    The combined employees for GM and Chrysler WORLDWIDE is less than 400,000 workers. Where did they find the extra million?

  • funwithknives

    and ask about “what is fair”. When the bailout was headlines, Barry dared to call them “speculators”. They there-upon got screwed over,royally. As did Dephi white-collar retirees.(they only speculated on getting what they had coming)
    There are haircuts,scalpings, and then there is skull-bashing. Funny(?), how The UAW got none of those treatments.

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