Green Profiteers and Plastic Bags


Believe it or not, there’s been a war going on over plastic bags for some time now.  It seems that manufacturers of those reusable bags you see near the checkout line were none too pleased that so many people were continuing to choose plastic or paper bags as opposed to shelling out $20 bucks for their environmental solution.

So the reusable bag company known as ChicoBag did what any good environmental alarmist would do: they lied.

For instance, they claimed that “a reusable bag needs only to be used eleven times to have a lower environmental impact than using eleven disposable bags.”  They were close.  It was actually 393 times or roughly 7.5 years to replace reusing a plastic bag just three times.

But, as always seems to be the case with wild claims of healing mother earth, their exaggerations weren’t just limited to their alleged comparability to plastic bags.

This company even went so far as to hide the fact that reusable bags can actually have negative health effects since, unlike the evil plastic bags, reusable bags can become covered in bacteria.

They even created a bogus government website to push their agenda:

ChicoBag created a counterfeit EPA website and knowingly shared falsified NOAA data with school children.

Finally, plastic bag manufacturer Hilex Poly had had enough and they sued.  Better yet they won and the victory has forced the reusable bag manufacturer to admit that they had been engaging in false advertising.

A victory to be sure, but the battle is not over.  Via the NY Times:

The case, filed in U.S. District Court of the District of South Carolina, comes as the plastic bag industry battles those pushing only reusable bags, said Sean Hecht, executive director of UCLA’s Environmental Law Center. In California, multiple cities and counties have banned the use of plastic bags by merchants

So not surprisingly, California is one of the first to actually start making laws based on this bogus science.  If you think it will stop at their borders, think again.  Not only can a state as large as California have influence over the ideas of other states, the size of their market can force nationwide companies to make company-wide changes just to comply with the desires of California.

Far from total victory, this win is merely a step in helping prevent the wannabe do-gooders in government from favoring one industry over another in the name of pseudo-science.

Plastic bag makers want to stop any additional curbs on the bags, Hecht said, and part of that is winning support from consumers. The case originally involved two other large bag manufacturers, Superbag Operating Ltd. and Advance Polybag Inc.; both have withdrawn from the case. Those companies last week hailed the settlement secured by Hilex Poly.

In order to prevent that worst case, we conservatives will have to add this to your list of things that, like it or not, we’re going to have to be vocal about.  The government is looking for ways to control every decision we make, from light bulbs, to power providers,to guitars, to cars, and now to our grocery bags.

This lawsuit is a step in the right direction, but as we’ve seen, no amount of factual data or real science will deter the environmental whackos.  As a result, companies like ChicoBag will reveal themselves as the new war profiteers in this battle for personal choices.

Also, don’t ever buy a ChicoBag.

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I like the reusables

dajeeps (Diary) Wednesday, September 21st at 9:24PM EDT (link)

But, I disagree with the big gov’t types that try to force them on everyone. I use them because I LIKE them.

I didn’t pay $20 though, They were 99 cents each.

…”I would quarrel with both parties and with every individual of each, before I would subjugate my understanding, or prostitute my tongue or pen to either.”
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Suckers

rememberthealamo Thursday, September 22nd at 1:01AM EDT (link)

$20 bucks? Is that what they pay in Cali? Talk about a sucker born every minute! I’ve got several cloth bags, always a freebie from a meeting I attended. But I dont use them at the grocery store. They are usually cheaply made and the handles rip off with any real weight (like food items) in the bag.

 
 

You had me at "bacteria"

usdebateboard Wednesday, September 21st at 9:37PM EDT (link)

I’ll think about that the next time the person in line in front of me drops a few of those bags on the conveyor belt where I’m setting my food. .

“Where have those been?” I’ll ask,

There are more germs on a shopping cart than there are on a toilet seat, and at least the shopping cart never goes home with anyone.

if those are bags used by old hippies at wholefoods

kyle8 (Diary) Wednesday, September 21st at 11:33PM EDT (link)

then bacteria might not be the only thing you have to worry about.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 
 

I use both

KBDay (Diary) Wednesday, September 21st at 10:02PM EDT (link)

I have reusable bags but they’re washable. Chlorox will kill just about anything.

I also like some plastic though.

I am tired of bogus science and government shoving me from behind on everything mentioned in this diary. This is America. We should be able to choose our bags!

KB Day/The US Report

“Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration.” (Eisenhower)

Rewashing destroys the environmental savings

Brookhaven (Diary) Thursday, September 22nd at 9:45AM EDT (link)

As pointed out, reusable bags need to be washed EVERY TIME they are used, or you risk a bacteria infection (getting salmonella on your grapes is not a good thing).

But do the environmentalist ever figure in the cost/environmental-impact of washing a cloth bag (energy, water, detergent, etc…) vs the environmental impact of paper or cloth? No.

Nor do the they figure in the additonal cost to the medical system and society of more people becomming sick due to the inherent insanitary nature of reusable cloth bags. But hey, that’s just people. If some get sick or even die, it’s well worth it to “save the planet.”

Plastic bags for this cat. It's the ecological choice.

acat (Diary) Thursday, September 22nd at 9:57AM EDT (link)

Those plastic grocery bags get re-used for all kinds of stuff once they make it home.

The obvious uses include cleaning my litterbox or cleaning up after the pit bulls – do they ever make a mess!

I also use them to…
- wrap paint brushes so I can re-use them the next da
- move flowers from one garden to another
- keep bugs out of the open bags of sugar and rice and pasta in the pantry
- keep the christmas light strands separate and color-coded
– green plastic bag = LED lights
– brown plastic bag = colour incandescent lights
– white plastic bag = clear incandescent lights
- hanging the garden hose on the wall at the end of the season *
- trash can liners for small trash cans
- padding when sending packages and foam peanuts aren’t available

This, to me, makes a lot more sense than a reusable bag.

Mew

* Straighten a large bag, put it through the hose coil, then put the bottom of the bag through its’ own handles. Tie a knot in the bottom of the bag and hang it on a nail. Use smaller bags for extension cords.

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I agree, being conservative means being against waste

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 22nd at 11:19AM EDT (link)

Do you also reuse the plastic containers that peanut butter comes in? I love those containers, which are strong, clear, and flexible.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

Waste not, want not. Exactly.

acat (Diary) Thursday, September 22nd at 12:20PM EDT (link)

And as a country, this economic downturn – just as the one in the ’70s – is teaching us that our forefathers had it right.

I’ve been slowly exchanging the glass (breakable) baby food jars full of nuts and bolts and washers and whatnot with plastic containers, mostly because I always find at least one sliver of broken glass when I step on it. And yes, the glass jars do go into the blue bin and get recycled.

Mew

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Kowalski. Gotta give a plug to freecycle.org.

acat (Diary) Thursday, September 22nd at 12:24PM EDT (link)

Freecycle.org

It may not be your kettle of fish, but they do go a long way toward the kind of waste-preventing cost-reducing pragmatic conservatism we’re discussing.

That kind of pragmatic-green we should definitely be behind. Not stupidity like using a cloth bag to carry produce or meat.

End threadjack.

Mew

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I reuse plastic bags

Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, September 21st at 11:52PM EDT (link)

They’re good to line small garbage cans, or to take care of cat litter, or to put wet clothes in for transport, just to mention a few possible uses.

PETA and the ASPCA are pure evil. See here and here.

 

It is 11 times.....

sbm1 Thursday, September 22nd at 5:41AM EDT (link)

if instead of just double bagging it, you get them to 36bag it:)

 

Advocacy groups lie

Rick_Caird Thursday, September 22nd at 7:51AM EDT (link)

Advocacy groups always lie. They justify those lies because it is “for your own good”. Advocacy groups will take a smidge of a fact and turn it into the greatest threat man has ever known. This reusable bag scam is just another in a long line of examples.

 

I'm wasteful

dmacleo Thursday, September 22nd at 11:26AM EDT (link)

we use both. at store most goes into plastic then they all go into 3 or 4 washable cloth so we can carry stuff easier without handles tearing.
many plastic get reused, some get tossed.
we do what works best for us here.

I also drive a full size full frame car and seldom go below 80.
I like to see the prius’ rock as I blow by them.

too bad :)

 

Yes, suckers in California!

woodweasel Thursday, September 22nd at 11:30AM EDT (link)

Gotta love the Libs…a class action in stupidity! The disposable bags work great for just so many things, and trees are saved by not using paper. I can save the plastics to carry dog poop, all sorts of garbage, etc. Maybe the plastics could be made more bio-degradeable, make them out of compressed Obama rainbow stickers or something….maybe the libs could use them to carry home the roadkill….eat a squirell, save a chicken or a cornfield or something. Be the envy of your neighbors!

 

But the PLASTIC is recyclable!!!

gizmo Thursday, September 22nd at 12:11PM EDT (link)

These things are GREAT for so many things!!! I use them to bread/batter chicken, chops, fish.. Use them to stuff shipping boxes instead of bubble wrap… They’re stuffed in the balloon valances over each of my windows… trash can liners for my bathrooms, bedrooms, cars… Definitely NOt things to do with “purchased” shopping bags!

Plus, aren’t these supposedly so much more recyclable than the PAPER bags? “killing” less trees, safer, etc?

HHHMMMMM.. these “greenies” never seem to be satisfied….

Or is that SUPPOSED to be the PURPOSE of greenies, EPA, etc??

 

What's wrong with paper bags?

nancyinnc Thursday, September 22nd at 3:17PM EDT (link)

I like paper bags, and use them to line by garbage can. More groceries go in the bag; few trips from car to house.

I have zillions of plastic bags from places like Wallyworld where there is no choice. (I think they breed and multiply.)

Finally, who’s the customer here? If you like plastic, go for it. I prefer the paper. It’s diversity!!

I only have one complaint about paper bags.

acat (Diary) Thursday, September 22nd at 3:32PM EDT (link)

That’s the smell, stench really, of paper mills… and I’m thankful I don’t live downwind of one.

Other than that, yeah, diversity is good. I prefer plastic but the SO perfers paper, and does enough of the shopping that we’ve got a steady steam of both. Plastic for the garbage cans, paper for the recycling bins.

Mew

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