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Why Mitt Romney’s Electability is Not Inevitable

After many months of getting a pass, it seems that the other candidates are willing to finally start hitting Governor Mitt Romney on his major weakness: The Massachusetts Health Care Insurance Reform Law.  The bill, known by most as Romneycare, is (as we all have been saying for many moons) the basis for the much maligned Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, otherwise affectionately known as Obamacare.

I’ve been in endless debates and discussions with Romney supporters and surrogates for some time now as they paint a beautiful picture of the ultimate State’s Rights battle. They claim that Romneycare vs Obamacare isn’t about socialized medicine vs the free market. They say it’s actually the core of the Federalist struggle and that Romney will channel Mr. Smith Goes to Washington and march onto the capital steps, fulfilling the dreams and desires of tea partiers nationwide by finally standing up and saying, “Enough is enough! Let the state’s make their decisions Obama! Your days of tyranny are at an end!” And they all rejoiced.

Yet, continually when Romney is approached on this subject in the debates with fellow Republicans, he seems incapable of defending any other point and seems befuddled at the idea that there might be more than one part about Obamacare that American’s had wholly objected to. For him, it’s all about the mandate.

But it’s important to keep in mind, Mitt Romney does not object to the concept of mandates. Far from it actually.

In case you haven’t already heard it a dozen times, let me try to explain the premise of Mitt Romney’s defense of the individual mandate that exists in Massachusetts.  From his perspective, it’s a simple matter of mathematics combined with certainty of human behavior.  In Massachusetts they had a serious problem, one which has presented itself in every state in the country: people without insurance were racking up enormous hospital bills and then skipping out on the debt.  This put the state in a position where healthcare costs were continually rising in order to compensate for the loss that was generated by these “free riders.”

It’s a legitimate issue which has been something that everyone has tried to figure out how to tackle for generations.  Ron Paul’s answer to the question of people who couldn’t afford insurance nor their hospital bill seemed to be something along the lines of “screw them.”  By and large, this has been considered a bad answer so conservatives have continually looked for other solutions.

Over the years, everyone from Newt Gingrich to the Heritage Foundation (and some claim that even Santorum) has at one time or another come to the conclusion that the only answer is to force everyone to pay up ahead of time.  Either by requiring them to have insurance, forcing them onto government run insurance like medicare, or having them pay some type of annual fee if they refused to do either of those two things.  Heritage & Gingrich have both changed their position on this.  Romney has not.

As recently as 2008, the mandate question was not a hot button issue.  On the campaign trail, Romney was still touting his healthcare bill as a solution that the entire nation could use to solve this ever growing problem.  Whether his view of “nationwide solution” meant state by state or federally done is still debated to this day.

Thanks to Obamacare and the backlash from conservatives, libertarians, and independents nationwide, individual mandates moved to the front of everyone’s minds.  This would of  course be a problem for a guy who wants to run for president and also “loves mandates.”  But then a beautiful thing happened: it started to be challenged in courts across the country as a 10th amendment issue.  Eureka! This isn’t about whether or not it’s good policy! It’s about the process which brought it about and the fact that it trumped the desires of the states!  At last! An intellectual justification for how Romney could enact Romneycare, call for its nationwide implementation, and still run on a ticket that promises to repeal legislation that does this very thing.  It’s the Federalism stupid!

But there’s a problem that all of the fanatical screaming about “electability” simply won’t or can’t address.  This path may work great to convince committed conservatives that Romney is on their side, but it will not work so well in the general elections against Barack Obama and his $1 billion reelection campaign machine.

Currently when Romneycare is assaulted (mostly by primary opponents and their surrogates on the right), conservatives that support the Governor come out in droves to explain away all of the issues in ways that they think will mostly appeal to rationality and reason.  Case in point is Ms. Ann Coulter who currently believes that a vote for anyone but Mitt is a vote for Barack Obama.

The other day, David Limbaugh tweeted a statement out of frustration with Romney supporters (he’s in the Santorum camp):

Ms. Coulter, a leader in defending Romney on national television and elsewhere, replied to this concern with what I’m assuming she thought would be a satisfactory answer:

This isn’t the only example of the committed conservative’s defense of Romneycare.  For example, Ms. Coulter also retweeted Jim Pethokoukis who had tweeted one of the points of a study recently released on the effects of Romneycare:

And she’s not alone.  Today on Fox & Friends, Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi defended the Governor as well:

She twists and turns around the issue that the Fox host’s are trying to squeeze out of her and ultimately fail to do.  The issue is: beyond the 10th amendment issue, how does Mitt Romney defend his attacks on the basis of Obamacare?  Obamacare is in philosophy, execution, and in many ways application, the same as Romneycare.

With the tweets above as the example of what substantive defenses the Romney campaign will use to battle in the generals,, Ms. Coulter gives us a preview of the rationale.  And it’s all right out of the Obama playbook and talking points.  Their plan actually seems to be to take the fight to the capital by saying:

  • Public health insurance didn’t crowd out employer sponsored insurance in Massachusetts
  • That any mandate, be it for public schools or for car insurance, is evidence that a mandate is perfectly acceptable even when it’s a mandate related to your right to exist.
  • That costs are being contained and kept down as a result of the bill and that the uninsured are now insured and the free rides are over.
  • That the mandate is only a technicality because anyone can choose not to be a part of it by simply paying a fee every year.
  • That the people of Massachusetts wanted healthcare reform and that a duly elected legislature passed the bill and thus it’s perfectly acceptable and reasonable.
If these defenses sound familiar it’s because they are virtually identical to the defenses we heard for a year and a half leading up to the passage of Obamacare.

And this is only the low hanging fruit.  Obama could easily run ads defending the tenants of Obamacare at this point and use the likes of Ann Coulter and Pam Bondi (who is actually suing the Fed over Obamacare) to make the case for them that it’s a great bill.

I would love for Mr. Coulter or Ms. Bondi to explain exactly how it is that Mitt Romney is going to get in front of millions of Americans, the majority of which couldn’t tell you the name of the Speaker of the House, and convince them that this slick, polished banker who for many will represent the very institutions that spent the last few years bankrupting the country, is totally not a hypocrite because after all, the 10th amendment and stuff.  Yes he agrees with mandates.  Yes he agrees with more bureaucracy around healthcare.  Yes he agrees with top down government solutions.  But federalism!!!

For many Americans, they will hear Democrats for 10 months defending the basics of socialized medicine and they’ll also hear Republicans for 10 months defending the basics of socialized medicine.  We’ll finally be in unison as each side tries to convince the middle that their plan was best with the only variation being one side didn’t like the process taken under by the other.  That ultimately, socialized medicine and mandates are the only viable solution and that all sides they have a chance to vote on agree.

Whether or not the entire caricature is accurate is entirely irrelevant.  The Obama campaign can and will successfully paint him as a flip flopper who is only changing his mind on the tenants of Obamacare because his banking overlords told him to.

If he’s got some other fantastic policy positions that will make up for this wide gap in electability I’m happy to hear them.  But to borrow from Mr. Gingrich, frankly, I think he’s fundamentally the wrong candidate.

Cross-Posted at BenHoweShow.com

COMMENTS

  • ajsdaddie

    I found this interesting. I sense that while it’s wrong to attack Romney just for the business decision of Bain capital, there may unfortunately be more lurking under the surface. Such as this:

    As manager and board member of Damon Corporation, Mitt Romney sits at the center of one of the top 15 corporate crimes of the 1990′s.

    http://markamerica.com/2012/01/28/so-shocking-im-speechless/

    • http://ironknuckle2012.blogspot.com ironknuckle

      He wasn’t a manager of Damon, even though you specifically stated “As a manager.. Romney.” You don’t have your facts right and neither does that website and neither does the video. Leave it to Newt Gingrich supporters to play quick and fast with the facts now that their candidate is losing in all national polling to Obama.

      I would like a Newt Gingrich supporter to post one poll that shows that Newt Gingrich can defeat President Obama in 2012.

      And just to be as fair as I can, I’m going to post four polls showing Mitt Romney can defeat Obama, and two of them were done in the past 2 weeks.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postabcpoll_011512.html

      http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-01-27/swing-states-poll/52871890/1

      http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/11/14/rel18b.pdf

      http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57355518-503544/poll-among-gop-hopefuls-romney-fares-best-against-obama/

      • maybenexttime

        Beating Obama by running a candidate just like him is not the way most Republicans would care to win.

        Whether Obama prevails in November, or Romney does, they’ll both face the same set of circumstances coming into office. Romney has a track record of governing like a liberal. I don’t believe Romney is the type of leader who can make those tough choices to get America back on solid fiscal ground.

        So, if it comes down to having Obama manage the decay or Romney, I say we let Obama take full credit for it by giving him another four years. The Democrats won’t be able to run from that dismal record in 2016 and the GOP can finally nominate a candidate with conservative values.

        Otherwise, we can let a liberal with an R behind his name take down the whole Conservative movement. Which is the lesser of two evils?

      • greyeagle

        Romney could not beat McCain (weak candidate) in 2008, and of course McCain was beat by Obama. What makes Romney able to beat Obama? They are two peas in a pod. You do the math.

      • falconrap

        that Romney was in fact on the Board and may have been very much aware of the dealings. He apparently admitted he knew about during his race against Ted, but said he was trying to get the corruption cleaned up. The prosecution credited Corning with actually stopping the abuse, and stated that it had continued unabated until Corning did something about it.

        This story is a killer one for Romney. It goes with a number of similar stories elsewhere which really paint a negative picture of the guy, and makes it really tough to believe he was completely innocent. It’s one thing to have a single occurrence like this, but other shady things that pop up make you wonder.

      • greenpoint

        Seriously there is an interview with Soros which has gone viral on the web where he says that neither Gingrich nor Santorem are acceptable. But he happliy notes that Romney would not be a big difference from Obama and is acceptable to him. You hear Soros himself saying these words, not a reporter quoting him.

        So if Romney is more electable whats the point in electing him? Can you imagine the Democrats electing someone in a primary who is acceptable to the Koch brothers?

        • Juggernaut

          http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/SorosObama-RomneyNotMuchDifference/2012/01/28/id/425830

      • Juggernaut

        so stop sinning!!

        Forbes nailed Romney, everyone is piling on!!!!

        Polls are a joke! Reagan polled 30 points below Carter and won. The party will not unite behind a milquetoast moderate.

        http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/01/21/romney-supervised-medical-testing-company-guilty-of-massive-medicare-fraud/

      • cwfoster

        Let’s see, conducted by the:
        Washinton Post
        USA Today
        Turner (think CNN)
        CBS

        Gee, you didn’t ask Chris “thrill up my leg” Wallace for HIS opinion? You really want to let the MSM pick our candidate again, don’t you? Here’s an opinion for you, George Soros comforted European liberals by saying it would make little difference if it was Romney or Obama!

  • annas

    I just came to see what Redstate has on today as I used to make it my first stop of the day. Once again the first posting is a bashing of Romney. I long for the old forum to return that was mainly balanced. I remain a staunch conservative, Romney supporter. I think he is our best chance to win the entire country–not just the far right Republicans. There are those of us here who see ourselves as rank and file members, not the “establishment wing,” of the Republican Party who do not support the unpredictable Gingrich.

    • ajsdaddie

      I’m a little worried about Romney. Was Damon corporation fraudulent? Did Bain sell Damon for a profit? Did Romney himself make nearly a half-million dollars on a company that fraudulently claimed millions in Medicare dollars?

      Did Romney know? If so, do you want him in charge of the country? Or if not, do you want him in charge of the country? It’s sort of a lose-lose, isn’t it?

    • Ben Howe

      In the future I will try to make certain that my opinions are more in line with your expectations.

      • romansdaughter

        nt

      • lineholder

        on this one, not for a single second. The type of scenario you’ve presented if Romney wins the nomination is very much so accurate. We’ll have two candidates running for the President of the US who both like, accept and approve of socialized health care programs. Either we go, we’re still more likely to end up saddled with yet another HUGE entitlement program that our nation can not even close to be able to afford.

        Just keep the good info coming, Ben. Thanks.

      • sandiegovoter

        Romney bashing was fair game back in 2011, when it was far from certain who the nominee would be.

        At this point, Gingrich has no money left and has proven that he’s more interested in self-promotion (and promoting his next book, “2 is Better than 1: My Guide to a Happy, Fulfilling Polyamorous Life”) than he is about becoming president.

        So get all of your wiggles out now because I expect this site to go from Romney-bashing to Romney-promoting in a few weeks. Sooner would be better than later.

        Obama is planning on selling what’s left in the treasury to the Chinese at a fire-sale price. He must be stopped, not Romney.

      • steeltube

        With all due respect, Romney’s electability as President (as opposed to getting the GOP nomination as President) has never hinged on Romneycare. It always has and most certainly will (assuming is is the nominee) hinge on his financial background.

        I have seen too many Redstate posters write that they refuse to make apologies to their friends and neighbors for his Bain activities. I was a Romney guy until the last 6 weeks when the drip drip drip about how he made most of his money surfaced. “Creative destruction” may play well in some places but not with middle America. The facts are he made millions by buying distressed companies, laying off workers or outsourcing, leveraged the companies as far as he could (and then took his “fees”), and ultimately put them into bankruptcy. No Staples start up can overcome that.

        And we are not even addressing the way he handled the taxes he was to pay on that money. Its hard to tell which of the two (how he made it or how he kept it) will play the worst in a general election.

    • goodgovernance

      If we cede the Obamneycare issue? He can’t even defend it in primaries. It will be much worse in the general election – people in the middle don’t care so much about state rights versus federal action, so long as they think the job’s getting done.

      If Romney says “My plan is good because it was at the state level, but the exact same plan on the federal level is evil, Mr. Obama!” he will get laughed off the stage.

      Romney also has other huge flaws as a candidate. He cannot connect with people – the fact he’s warm and funny around those close to him, yet stiff and awkward around everyone else tells us he fundamentally is suspicious of the public at large. When you take into account the overly simplistic, sometimes outright dishonest arguments he makes to the public, you realize he disrespects us as well. The more people get to learn about Mitt Romney (and thanks to Axelrod and the Chicago machine, they will) the less they will find him acceptable.

      There’s good on paper, then there’s good in real life. The two don’t necessarily match up, and all the wailing about religious bigotry won’t change the truth.

      • stumpy

        You nailed it!

      • http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

        His only options in the general will be to cede Obamacare to Obama and the Left or defend liberty by rhetorically destroying Romneycare before of the entire nation.

        Not hard to guess which way that will go.

        Romney is completely unacceptable as our candidate and I dislike Newt more with each passing day. I see no path to victory for either of these two.

    • romansdaughter

    • cfogel1973

      If your best excuse is “Romney” bashing than you fail to see the truth. He created Romney Care. Obama copied it. He stands behind his decision and now Romney moderates need to defend it. Instead of just getting the hairs on the back of your neck rankled, just defend the position your politician is taking.

      I can’t nor I won’t. The Republican Party will turn itself into the Whig party over this very issue.

    • hobiecat

      This is the same answer I get from every Romney supporter. But nothing to back it up with. This has been Romneys entire campaign
      1.” I can win because I’ve spent my life in the private sector”
      2. “We need to get America working again. And I can do it”
      3. “This President is in over his head” No he’s not Gov. Romney. He knows exactly what he is doing and it is deliberate.

      Another footnote in presidential politics had a similar campaign style. Thomas Dewey.
      1. “We cannot have freedom without liberty”
      2. “Our rivers are full of fish”
      3. “Our future lies ahead”

      Guess what? He lost to a weak, unpopular incombent. Just sayin.

      • avagreen

        Few words great spoken.

    • tngal

      Read This:

      “It not about winning here anymore,” one Romney staffer told BuzzFeed. “It’s about destroying Gingrich ? and it’s working.”

      Apparently he got bent b’c Newt took SC. So what? There are other states.

      Come on. Lost sight of the goal a bit perhaps? The goal is to win Florida. Then the next state and the next. The goal is to take out Obama. But apparently the goal’s now shifted to the destruction of Newt. Dust off the Death Star! We must cleanse the race of him now so we can sally forth unfettered to November.

      Geez. You can defeat an opponent & win a state without
      ‘destruction’ of the other candidate.

      http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/romney-eyeing-blowout-keeps-foot-to-newts-neck

      • lineholder

        of just how “entitled” Romney feels to winning the Presidency!!

        “What…you people in SC…you dare to support someone who is in opposition against me…you dare think for yourselves….don’t you know that I’m entitled to be President??? Well, I’ll make sure nothing like this happens against…yes, sirree, I’ll do it by totally destroying your options!!!”

        • CarolT

          Romney wants to destroy Newt, not only to win FL but destroy Newt . I have had enough of Mitt, I hope he loses FL. I am a Catholic and I have never wished to destroy anyone, I may have wanted to kill them in a moment of anger but would never do it.
          The fact that Mitt is so religious makes it worse.
          Most or all of us are Christians and we do not hate, do not wish to destroy someone, and lie, distort history etc to win an election only because we did not think we were vulnerable.
          I wonder what the mormon church thinks about this?

    • dajeeps

      I don’t mean any disrespect to Romney. In general sense I’m sure he’s a great guy and probably doesn’t want to back down in RomneyCare thing give more ammo to those who point out his “evolution” of stances on the issues.

      My opposition to Romney has far more to do with him being shoved down our throats by the elites in the party who have no clue what it’s like to be average Joe. The fact they are putting this guy out there who is the grandfather of ObamaCare after it has been the single most inflammatory political issue likely since slavery., is an illustration of how much they just don’t even give one hangnail about us.They have no clue how angry we are, not just about ObamaCare, but about the big government and spending, that they helped in heaping on the backs of every citizen but them. They battle each other in DC over who gets to spend and mandate, forgetting about the poor bastards who have to eat the dog food.

      That is what this fight is about for me. They really need to know that if they don’t get Mitt out there to start sounding like a conservative, make some pledges about his cabinet and harden specifics about his agenda, then I am so willing to politically (figuratively) slit my own throat to slit theirs because there will be no fixing anything that is wrong with this country as long as they are playing around in their Ivory towers, forgetting all about the little ants down below.

    • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

      and the long knives are out. unity will return only after the season is over.

      Since the future of our healthcare freedom is at stake, dont expect the Romney train to roll on without resistance from conservatives.

      • acat

        Regardless of who is in the White House, conservatives will need to hold their feet to the fire.

        The trouble with Romney, for me, is that we’re going to need a much more effective fire – strong conservatives in the house and senate and the statehouses – but getting there with an unappealing milquetoast at the top of the ticket is .. going to be difficult.

        Mew

    • remalimo

      Well that should be enough for Romney to get my vote. Sounds like most Dem’s if the media likes him then i will vote for him.

      I don’t understand why Newt has not marshaled all of his support and likened it to D day.

      1. The liberal R’s are all in support of Mitt
      2. The R establishment are scared of Newt because they will not be able to control him like the other R’s
      3. The people that worked with Ronald Ragan that actually worked with Newt support and endorse Newt like Art Laffer (newt has not mentioned)
      4. Newt has actually came out and supported several Tea Party Candidates.
      (Could this be the problem with the R’s elete base?)
      5. What has Mitt offered as a solution to getting our gov. under control and restoring OUR LIBERTY & FREEDOM.
      6. Is Mitt going to help the rest of the Wall Steeters be bailed out or funded?
      7. Won’t the Dem’s have fun by using the saying “THE PARTY OF THE RICH HAS FINALLY ELECTED ONE OF THE RICH TO LEAD THEM”?

  • tercel

    Romney has a glass jaw. He has proven that he unwilling/unable to defend himself against charges against Bain Capital and his taxes. He is not the sort of guy you send into a back alley fight and believe you me, this is what this election is going to be. Romney does not have the personality nor the conviction of his principles to fight Obama. He is just the “next Republican in line”. Obama et al know that we always nominate the next guy in line. That is what OWS and 1% vs 99% is all about. If Romney is our candidate, we lose in November and the Republican party probably loses everything because the TEA Party will go its own way.

  • romansdaughter

    When Soros is twittering that there is actually not much difference between Mittens and Obama you can bet that is trouble. I failed to see why the Establishment is pushing so hard for Mittens.
    Thanks for the great article Ben!

  • ajsdaddie

    I think that’s why they’re so strongly behind Romney. They know exactly what they’ll get – the same big-government policies but with an (R) instead of a (D), much like the latter half of GWB’s second term.

    I don’t know what we would get with Gingrich, but if it’s anything like the last time he was in power, I prefer it over the continuation of business as usual on Capitol Hill. The whole “run out in disgrace” meme, once you look at it in detail (exhonerated of all charges, including the two he pled guilty to, which were about teaching a class that was “too political”) actually makes him look better, not worse.

    He’s not perfect, but he’s not Romney, and I think that’s a good thing.

  • CarolT

    Why does the GOP go to the last loser? Loser should be the last one you would want to run this time?
    Romneycare is a disaster. I live in MA and have lived through huge rate increases, extra co-pays etc. All this to get 6% insured, we started with 92%. Romeny needs to apologize to us for this mandate. It also makes me extra work at work.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      He set the precedent.

      • goodgovernance

        Say what you will about all the so-called moderates who have been our previous nominees, but Dole, McCain, and George HW Bush all at least earned their role as the party’s nominee through years of service. In one way or another they helped either rehabilitate, promote, or advance the conservative movement, at some pivotal point or another, when the MSM and the liberal Establishment were even more powerful than they are now.

        Mitt Romney has never bled for the conservative movement. Mitt Romney hedged his bets and declared himself an “independent” during the pivotal battles of the Reagan era. It may have been a prudent business calculation on his part, to minimize his risk. But when you’re in the service of a cause greater than yourself, one that’s founded on principle, not financial reward, minimizing risk isn’t always the answer.

        Romney bought his way into the establishment wing of the Republican party, with money donated to the right campaigns, with lip service to the right people in the chattering classes of New York and DC. They don’t care he’s not a true conservative, so long as he plays one on TV. They don’t think the public will ultimately be able to tell the difference.

        As far as I’m concerned, this is a terrible indictment of the Republican establishment.

        • islandjoehhisc

          Nearly every time the GOP has nominated a Presidential candidate in my adult lifetime labeled ‘conservative’, his conservatism was always qualified as being ?kinder and gentler? or ‘big tent’ or ‘big government’ or ‘compassionate’. In other words, he was really a moderate. First, we were fooled by Nixon whose anticommunist credentials, while real, masked the willingness to expand government like any good liberal – price and wage controls, the EPA, enshrining Medicare, etc. Then it was Gerald Ford, challenged unsuccessfully by Reagan in ’76, who pretty much acted as though the term ‘conservative’ was antiquated or even dangerous. Then the GOP establishment messed up and failed to stop Reagan in ’80, though they tried just as hard as Romney and his folks are trying now to trash any opposition. That was the only time they messed up. After that it was George the 1st with his ?kinder and gentler? Conservatism – and his broken ‘no new taxes’ pledge. Then in ?96 it was Bob Dole ? rightly called ‘the tax collector for the welfare state’. He was followed by the ‘Compassionate Conservative’ – George the 2nd and his expansion of federal spending second only to Obama’s. Last time it was John McCain – the ‘maverick’ / ‘big tent’ republican who stopped his campaign in midstream to pass ‘TARP’ and has rarely found a liberal that he wouldn?t find more common cause with than most conservatives.

          This year, it’s gotten even more pathetic – we had ‘evangelical leaders’ trying to crown ‘big government conservative’ Santorum as ‘THE Conservative’ candidate to rally around to defeat the ‘moderate’ Romney (how?s that working out for them?). Mind you this ‘Conservative’ Santorum supported the expansion of Federal power in education via ‘No Child Left Behind’, TARP, anti ‘Right-To-Work Law’ positions while a Senator from PA, earmarks, and so much more. But he’s against abortion 2% more strongly than some other candidates – so the ‘evangelical leaders’ say he’s their guy.

          All this goes to show that if the ?GOP Establishment? gets its way and nominates another ?moderate?, who wants to be seen as ?conservative?, we can expect the Federal Government to continue to grow in size and scope. The compromises reached will continue to grow our national debt and most of us will live to see our children and grandchildren living in a 2nd world country with a 2nd rate economy.

          Earlier this month, Sen. Jim DeMint said in an interview on Fox and Friends that ?The debate in the Republican Party needs to be between libertarians and conservatives — that’s what our party needs to be about??..There’s no longer room for moderates and liberals, because we don’t have any money to spend.”

          And that?s the point ? there simply is no more of other people?s money to spend, so why waste time and opportunities debating, within the GOP, with those who still want to grow government or who are secretly content to just tinker around the edges with reform? Time has run out.

          There are only two “Romney Scenerios” that can be reasonably expected to play out:

          1) He becomes the nominee, loses the general, and goes the way of George the 1st (in ’92), Bob Dole, and John McCain
          2) He some how gets elected in the general and we get another version of ‘George’ in the WH.

          Either way, we all lose.

          • Ender

            in making people pay for their healthcare instead of them freeloading off everyone else. It only became unpopular when Obama stole the idea. Everyone knows it. It’s sitting out there in plain sight. When Obama took the idea from GOP, it suddenly became this socialist boogeyman. Of course Obama went above and beyond what was necessary, but when Romney did it, it was a great idea.

            And the citizens of his state like it. The great conservative maverick Newt has flip flopped on the issue just like many other conservative thinkers.

          • cfogel1973

            Is it government’s job to MAKE people pay for their healthcare? I think it is the healthcare industries responsibility to make their customers pay. Call me crazy I guess.

          • Locke

            Any real attempt by providers to make their customers pay (or refuse care if the customer does not provide an adequate guarantee of payment beforehand) would run afoul of one federal law or another where the customer lacks the ability to pay (no matter how that is construed or determined).

            It is even less, I would say, government?s job to make other people pay for their healthcare, the other horn of the dilemma (the first being some variant of “screw them”).

          • In The Hook

            An individual mandate was pushed by everybody from Newt to Heritage as the solution to the free rider problem for decades. I’m glad that Obamacare opened the right’s eyes to the massive problems with this idea, but to deny that the mandate was consistently seen by any major figure on the right prior to that debate is just wrong.

            When you have laws that force hospitals to provide care regardless of ability to pay, the taxpayer at large is penalized when people without insurance get care and skip out on their bills. Are the only solutions to that a “screw ‘em” policy or an individual mandate? I don’t think so, but the right certainly did for many years. Heck, Gingrich was supporting the mandate DURING the Obamacare debate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QSXJLZx5mpY

            I do indeed think that federal mandates are unconstitutional, but state level ones are not. They open up another can of worms as we’ve seen in Mass. with its rising health costs and long waiting lines, but that’s another subject. Romney should continue with the federalism argument and add Rubio’s line that even if Obamacare was the greatest idea ever, we can’t afford it. We can’t even afford the entitlements we have in their present form.

            And frankly I don’t think Obama is going to want to engage on his health reform law because it’s incredibly unpopular. During the debates? Sure. But do you think he’s gonna run ads reminding people about Obamacare just to say “my opponent once supported mandates too!!!” No way. Axelrod is much smarter than that.

          • renl57

            …no hospital can deny treatment to anyone, regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. That law was signed by President Reagan.

            That means that if an impoverished illegal alien who is wanted for a felony walks into UCLA Medical Center’s Emergency Room with kidney failure, they’re going to put him on dialysis–at a cost of $65,000 a year. Who should pay for that? UCLA?

            The private insurers pay NOTHING out of their pockets. All they do is act as a pass through to pay hospitals out of the pool of premiums of their policyholders. That means, YOU and I pay for that illegal alien’s care (if he is being treated by a hospital in our state).

            This clause of COBRA amounted to a gigantic unfunded Federal mandate on all the states.

            And other than repealing it and telling impoverished patients “Screw you,” I haven’t heard any good alternatives.

            I’m still waiting to hear the free-market solution to this unfunded mandate that doesn’t send poor people home to die without treatment.

          • In The Hook

            Would be a great start. We need to slowly move away from the third-party payer system that propels prices ever higher because the vast majority of the public is insulated from the true costs of their care.

            This transformation would push insurance back to where it belongs: For catastrophic reasons and perhaps plans that would cover prescription drugs for those who are on regular regimens. Detach insurance from employers and implement dramatic tort reform and we’ll at least be on the path to reducing costs overall.

            I don’t have a good answer to the free rider problem, but a federal mandate is not one that’s Constitutional. Period.

          • http://conservativemountaineer.blogspot.com/ conservativemountaineer

            It’s hopeless. I’m looking at a procedure thay may not be covered by my health insurance. It’s a ‘maybe’. The office visit itself is a ‘maybe’.

            So, to protect myself I have set-up appointments with 2 different providors so as to see their ‘estimate’ of cost. You know, that old get a 2nd opinion/quote thingy that all responsible people should do.

            Neither physician’s office could provide a $$ figure for the office visit. Their reponse? “Come in. We’ll submit and see.”

            Unfortunately, my options are limited. I’ll rol the dice and see what happens.

            FYI — I have a prothesis where my right eye used to be. The eyelid has drooped considerably from the weight of the prothesis. Looks ugly. However, the procedure may be considered ‘cosmetic’. I’m not ashamed to disclose this in a public forum. After 20 years, I’ve [almost] come to accept it.

          • avagreen

            25×5′s

          • maybenexttime

            Romney is a political shape-shifter. I think GH Bush, Dole, and McCain were more adherent to conservative principles than Romney will be. Mitt is doing this for “Daddy” just like George W Bush did in 2000.

            When we have a candidate more interested in avenging his moderate father’s political career instead of governing with conservative values, we lose in the long run. If Romney wins in November, having Obama out of the White House will be a mere consolation prize for the losses we’ll endure once Mitt starts governing.

          • greenpoint

            Show some guts and endorse Newt. Are you just going to watch this train wreck and then complain about it later?

        • snowshooze

          Dominoes was thriving. Bain bought them, borrowed money against them, paid themselves 500% profit and left them in debt…
          Nice hit.

        • stumpy

          Your right on this. Many of his conservative backers are bought and paid for. He donated to their campaigns and now they owe him. Smart move politically. Follow the money. Nikki Haley, follow the money. Look who Wall Street backs other than Obama. They want Romney to tweak the edges and keep the game rigged in their favor so they can use power and influence to get ahead. We need a truly free market without government picking winners and losers. Newt will upset the Apple cart.

          Then you have all the establishments and moderates who like Romney’s more of the same attitude. All of the right people don’t like Newt. That tells me he is what we need. Newt was not my first choice or second, but he’s by far the best we have left.

          • SoFiMil

            when he accused FDT of explicitly providing bribe to NRTL in exchange for NRTL’s endorsement.

      • CarolT

        All the others have gone on to lose the general election. McCain was eight years too late. He had no life in his speeches, he seemed half asleep the entire time. I know he’s war hero and I respect him for it, but he is a RINO as is Romney. Romney will lose to Obama. If he should win, there will not be much difference than Obama. Mitt will not repeal Obamacare, he’ll try to change it.
        He’d respect the office of the POTUS but otherwise I can’t see anything else that would be different. He’d be better with our allies.
        Now it sounds like I want Mitt, but I would take him over Obama.

    • renl57

      If you don’t like RomneyCare, would you like to know what MA would have created under a liberal Democrat governor?

      Single-payer–which is exactly what VT is creating now for itself. And that would mean all the restrictions on treatment that Canadians routinely tolerate.

      The reason why your health insurance costs and my health insurance costs are escalating is that Romney and the MA legislature deliberately avoided instituting strong cost containment measures. Because you and the rest of the MA electorate would have liked those even less (“Death panels!”, “Rationing!”), etc. So they punted–for a few years–until RomneyCare could be implemented. Now Governor Deval Patrick and the MA legislature are being forced to do just that–managed care but at the state level.

      As governor, Romney faced a real problem, which is basically an unfunded Federal mandate: By Federal law (part of COBRA), a hospital cannot turn away any patient for inability to pay or even legal status. They have to treat him, no matter what the cost, even if he can’t afford to pay for any of it. That was signed into law in 1986 by guess which President?

      All these attacks on RomneyCare, RomneyCare, RomneyCare, make it sound like there is some simple free market solution. There isn’t. There is no cheap, inexpensive way to treat many chronic diseases. The treatment is often very expensive and somebody has to pay. Right now, you and I are paying–with our premiums–for those who can’t pay. Big corporations don’t have that problem because again Federal law since the 1940s allows them to treat THEIR health care expenses as a tax-exempt (that’s tax-exempt, NOT just tax-deductible) business expense. But individual insurers, like you and me, are screwed. Romney didn’t create that mess. The Federal Government did. All of it. As Governor, he had to find a way to deal with it at the state level.

      What is RedState’s preferred alternative? What should MA have done instead, under Romney or Weld or any Republican governor???

      The only way you could have a laissez-faire free market would be to repeal COBRA and refuse treatment to uninsured patients who can’t afford to pay for treatment. IOW, “Screw them.”

      Try that proposal out in this campaign against Obama and see how far you get.

      Even I wouldn’t vote for it.

      We don’t let people die in the streets in America.

      • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

        There is so much wrong with this comment that I hardly know where to begin.

        1. If Romney was so dead set on giving the citizens of Mass. what they want, then why not just let them have single-payer? That’s what they really wanted. So Romney didn’t do either. He didn’t give them what they wanted, and he didn’t give them a conservative solution. He did the politically-expedient thing and just went with the flow so he could come out on the other end and say, “Hey, look what I did. I accomplished something.”

        2. The reason health insurance costs are rising is two reasons, first, lack of competition, and second, litigation. Rationing doesn’t reduce the cost of healthcare, it just reduces its availability.

        3. The problem Romney faced is the same problem every other state has faced. Some are looking to socialism for the answer, some are looking to conservatism. Indiana reduced costs, not by rationing care, but by increasing competition and making the cost of healthcare visible to those receiving that care (by use of HSAs).

        In the early 90s I had my own consulting business, so I had to self-insure. What that consisted of was a low-cost catastrophic insurance plan and paying out-of-pocket for common services. Because I was directly paying I could shop around wherever I wanted, and negotiate costs. Indiana has a similar plan with HSAs and large deductables. I can tell you first hand that you only really get the care you need when that money is coming out of your pocket each time.

        4. Mandated care certainly contributes to overall healthcare costs, but would be less so if real competitive insurance was available. More people would purchase it if this were the case.

        5. Part of the increase in healthcare costs is the ability to do so much more than could be done before. New methods and procedures are available all the time, which is extending the life and well-being of all Americans. Rationing care would have exactly the opposite results.

        6. Why not extend tax-exempt status of insurance (and HSAs) to individuals, just as it is done for corporations? That evens the playing field and encourages purchase without a government mandate.

        7. No conservative has ever suggested that we let people die in the streets. That’s a DNC talking point and has no business being posted on a conservative political site.

        You haven’t convinced anyone to support Romney with this comment. Quite the contrary, you clearly show why we should not.

        • The_Rebel

          A Republican Governor in Indiana with a 2/3 majority in the House and a super-majority in the Senate can pass more conservative bills than a Massachusetts Republican Governor could with an 85%+ Democrat majority in the House and Senate. Romney did the best he could under the circumstances. With a more favorable House and Senate to work with as President, I think you will be pleasantly surprised at what he will propose.

          In this state we have to live with the likes of Scott Brown and Edward Brooke(yeah, remember him?), as they are the best we can do in a state with that kind of Democrat majority. Other red states can obviously do better, but you can’t push hard-core conservatives in blue states unless you want to lose. A case in point is Rick Lazio in NY, although he lost for many reasons.

          More to the point, you conveniently didn’t answer renl57′s questions:

          ” What is RedState?s preferred alternative? What should MA have done instead, under Romney or Weld or any Republican governor???” And I’ll expand on those questions to include what could MA have done under the given political legislative makeup?

          • http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

            I mean, it’s not like he was going to be re-elected anyway, right?

            An individual who is conservative as a matter of principal (rather than convenience), would veto legislation that is completely contrary to conservative principals regardless of what the legislature did.

            By your standard, you’re already conceding that if Romney is elected with a Dem House and Senate, he’ll give them whatever they want. That should terrify us.

          • The_Rebel

            If you are going to expound on these matters, please get your facts straight. Romney had his vetoes overturned more than 800 times during his 4 years as Governor, including one where he vetoed an increase in the minimum wage, not a very popular move, explaining that excessive raising of the minimum wage causes a loss of jobs.

            Most people would interpret “a more favorable House and Senate” to mean Republican majorities, not Democrat ones.

            Since you deemed it worthy to respond, perhaps you could answer the questions posed.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            1. Yes, he had a democrat legislature. So what. He’s going around saying he gave them what they wanted. No he didn’t. They wanted single-payer. All he had to do was veto the legislation and they would’ve gotten what they wanted. He gave them neither what they wanted, nor a conservative solution.

            2. I answered all of renl57′s questions. See my comment above. You should probably try reading before you respond.

          • The_Rebel

            people like to use when they lose the argument. If you think that the legislature would have passed a conservative solution after he had already been overridden hundreds of times, you don’t know MA politics.

            Please link to where Romney is going around saying “I’m giving them what they wanted”.

            One of renl57′s questions was “What is RedState’s solution”? I still haven’t seen an answer to that from you or anyone.

            Be happy though, because after Florida and the next few states, you can start telling us how Romney is going to defeat Obama in November.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            Passed a conservative solution, that is. Romney caved though. He could’ve done better, or just vetoed it and let them have what they wanted.

            O M G. Are you seriously going to sit here and say that Romney hasn’t been saying in the last few debates that he gave the citizens of Mass. what they wanted? I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. Romney can’t be honest, and neither can his supporters.

            I showed the conservative solution above. It’s not my problem that you can’t read.

            I will not ever be telling anyone about Romney defeating Obama, because he cannot and he will not. I’ll vote for him, because I always vote (R). But there’s no argument in the world that Romney can beat Obama.

            If Romney is the nominee, people should immediately be prepared for 4 more years of Obama.

          • The_Rebel

            I’ve read your post several times, and your comment about Romney giving them what they wanted referred to the MA legislature. Now you’re telling me if was the citizens of MA. There certainly is a difference, especially in this state where the legislature rams things down the citizens throats that the people would hardly want. I don’t ever recall the citizens of this state clamoring for single-payer.

          • arthurjake

            Red State has mentioned several solutions(tort reform, lower regulations, increased competition, and other things to lower the cost of healthcare. Lower costs means cheaper insurance or less people needing it. A massively expensive health care bill is not the solution. It just adds to the problem.

            As for saying someone is going to be on here saying how Romney will beat Obama, dont hold your breath. If he is nominated I know I will not hold my nose and pull the lever for him. I would rather see him lose and send a message to the est. than give the Dems someone ammunition for things being still messed up when he governs in much the same way Obama does.

            Next thing you will be trying to explain why him signing gun bans and increasing registration fees is good for gun owners. I am sorry but for the state that can give credit for the shot heard round the world your lacking in producing any kind of politician. Democrat governors in the south have more conservative records than Mittens does.

      • macbookben

        …I think you are talking about EMTALA (emergency treatment and active labor act) that pretty much says individuals presenting to the hospital seeking emergency care cannot be turned away without their medical complaint(s) being evaluated and treated by its physicians and nurses, regardless of the patient’s ability to pay. The penalties for doing so include revoking the hospital’s participation in Medicare/Medicicaid reimbursement programs. Besides, no one of any political stripe would seriously attempt to remove such requirements. COBRA came along during Clinton’s reign, much later than EMTALA, and mandated that employers continue to offer health insurance for a period of time after employee severance.

      • arthurjake

        There are reasons why drugs made in the US cost a fraction of the price in Mexico.

        Defending him for choosing the lesser of two evils when there were other viable options to bring down health care costs thus making private insurance more affordable is insane.

  • ashland_avenue

    You write:

    I would love for Mr. Coulter or Ms. Bondi to explain exactly how it is that Mitt Romney is going to get in front of millions of Americans, the majority of which couldn?t tell you the name of the Speaker of the House, and convince them that this slick, polished banker who for many will represent the very institutions that spent the last few years bankrupting the country, is totally not a hypocrite because after all, the 10th amendment and stuff. Yes he agrees with mandates. Yes he agrees with more bureaucracy around healthcare. Yes he agrees with top down government solutions. But federalism!!!

    If I were Mitt’s speech writer, I’d say something like this:

    Hello, My name is Mitt Romney and I’d like to tell you about myself. I was raised in Michigan, studied at Brigham Young University and hold MBA and law degrees from Harvard.

    My first choice of career on leaving school was to find a position in management consulting. This is a field in which companies which have a problem come to the consultants to study it and if possible find the solutions.

    Wikipedia says, “In 1983, Bill Bain offered Romney the chance to head a new venture that would invest in companies and apply Bain’s consulting techniques to improve operations.”

    We began with $37 million, accumulated from ourselves and people whom we had met.

    Here is what Wikipedia says about us at that time: One of Bain’s earliest and most notable venture investments was in Staples, Inc., the office supply retailer. The funding enabled Staples to expand from one store in 1986 to over 2000 stores in 2011

    I led Bain Capital during years in which its returns were very high; I cannot tell you how proud I am of the returns which we earned for pensions representing public and private employees, charities and some of the nation’s finest universities.

    Bain & Co., and Bain Capital are based in Massachusetts, which made me a Mass. resident. I left Bain Capital in 1994 for a while, to run against Ted Kennedy for the US Senate. Incidentally, I find it somewhat humorous that folks today seem to criticize me for being wealthy and successful.

    Where were those folks when I was running against someone who was essentially in the “Son Business”?

    I didn’t divorce my wife, I didn’t drink to excess, I didn’t drive any girl off the ramp to Chappaquadick’s ferry, but I didn’t win the election either.

    In 2002, I did two things: I took over the committee overseeing the Olympics which was set for Salt Lake City, and I turned what might have been a major American embarassment into a financial and national success.

    That year I also ran for and was elected Governor of Massachusetts. I turned the state’s deficit into a surplus, and did so without raising taxes on its cittizens.

    So, now we are engaged in a campaign where I propose to run for the nation’s highest office. I come to you with a narrative of success in school, success in post graduate education, success in business and success in the Olympics and the State of Massachusetts.

    There are some around who say that the current holder of that office, a guy who refuses to show his transcripts, a guy whose own book describes his drug use as a young man, a guy whose wife went around telling the world she was never proud of this country until it honored her husband.

    Like I said, this guy is said to be in constant campaign mode, preparing to turn some of us against another, and as many of us against my candidacy as a billion or so dollars can buy.

    To the firefighters and teachers and college students whose pensions and endowments have been enriched by investments, I say: Give me the courtesy of a look in the upcoming election.

    To the members of my own party, intent on putting forward a narrative that will defeat this man and his ilk, I say, consider the record of accomplishment and pride in this country and the opportunities which it offers, the appreciation which I have for all of you.

    For it is you — you who are concerned about the deficit; you who are concerned at the decline of America in world eyes, you who are focused on the bedrock values of family, religion and nation — who have kept us from becoming one more third rate country.

    For that, you have my greatest appreciation. And because we share the same aspirations, I ask for your vote.

    • okpensfan

      As a viewer of this hypothetical speech I respond by saying, “So what? Can you look me in the eye and tell that when Harry Reid starts his shenanigans to block conservative legislation during your administration that you can make *him* blink.”

      If not, its same old, same old no matter who wins.

    • arthurjake

      I would disagree with not raising taxes on me. I would call massive raises on fees so I could do something that is a guaranteed right a raise in taxes. How did enacting Romneycare hurt future budgets? I am sure when FDR signed social security into the budget it wasn’t as much of the budget as it is now.

      Hitler didnt drink or smoke either ask Germany how that turned out for them. Churchill drank smoked and I am sure had affairs. I think things didn’t end to badly having an immoral man running Britain then. Maybe you would like an American example. Jefferson fought the first war on terror by sending the Navy and Marines to defeat the Barbary pirates, doubled the size of the US, and shrank the size of government. But he should never have been pres based on what you say because he was sleeping with his slave. What past sins preclude you from public office?

      As for Bain, for every company like staples they gave start up capital to a company will be mentioned that they loaded up with debt and sold off to make a profit. I believe in the free market but that doesn’t mean that because you make money you should be presented as the poster child of capitalism. That is not even mentioning recent rumors of fraud.

      Sorry your dream narrative is a fantasy easy to counter.

  • driveinkid

    This passage was particularly funny:

    “I would love for Mr. Coulter or Ms. Bondi to explain exactly how it is that Mitt Romney is going to get in front of millions of Americans, the majority of which couldn?t tell you the name of the Speaker of the House, and convince them that this slick, polished banker who for many will represent the very institutions that spent the last few years bankrupting the country, is totally not a hypocrite because after all, the 10th amendment and stuff.”

    A) Mitt is not and has never been a banker.

    B) He did not represent the institutions who brought down the economy. He invested in and started businesses that helped the economy.

    This is class warfare rhetoric of the worst kind and any real Conservative should be embarrassed by this article. Not to mention it is riddled with falsehoods.

    Romney has done more this country and its economy than the entire pundit class combined. Get a life Howe.

    • sandiegovoter

      But here at Rehash State, it doesn’t have to be. If you are a Romney basher, they seem to tolerate your behavior even if you: (1) can’t spell, (2) pass along false information (like the argument that Romney is a “banker”, (3) imply or state that Romney is not a Christian, (4) state plainly that you will not vote for Romney even if he is the Republican nominee, (5) repeat the same tired anti-Romney arguments over and over again like a bot.

      I don’t care. I switched to Romney as my #2 choice and I’ve never looked back. He will be the nominee and he will beat Obama. Even if RS whines about him the whole time.

      • jgge

        Romney the Bain Capital founder is going to beat Obama? LOL… keep dreaming. I am sure his hair gel is going to win for him…LOL… Or May be his tanned orange skin…LOL…

      • In The Hook

        That after Thompson flamed out, Romney was seen as the conservative savior in 2008. Everyone went all out to slot him in after McCain won NH and SC. Levin, Hannity, Rush, RedState, everybody. And now that the calendar is turned, all of a sudden Romney is exactly like Obama. That’s a bigger flip-flop than Romney ever pulled, which is saying a TON.

  • ashland_avenue

    The Speaker has my admiration for the work that he did in drafting and defining the Contract with America.
    But, I have a hard time with a narrative that includes jettisoning his staff so that his wife can take a leisurely cruise.
    And a hard time with a narrative that includes failing to do the blocking and tackling work necessary to get himself on the ballot in his own home state.
    It’s not that I quarrel with his philosophy or positions. It’s just that it was never clear whether Newt was in this to sell books and or films. It was always clear, however, that Mitt was in this to win.
    I know something about documentation requirement in private equity and public securities investing. I have seen folks involved in multimillion dollar deals fail to make the deadline for making the UCC filings, thus depriving their loans of a security interest which had been intended.
    Something about Mitt tells me he would never be that sloppy. Something about Newt tells me he might have been cavalier about paperwork.
    Put it this way: this contest is going to be won in the trenches. I’m just not sure that Newt is a trench fighting guy. Say that Mitt has both a better offensive line and defensive line….

  • ashland_avenue

    I might add that the fellow now in the White House is there, principally on the notoriety and the profits from a book that he may or may not have written.
    And I would ask the thousand who come to hear me speak:
    So, every time a school library, hoping to get money from Washington, thinks about whether or not to order the President’s books, it seems like an easy decision for them: just buy it.
    But at the base level of conflict of interest, where is the President in offering to donate the royalties from books such as these, sold to the schools of our children, to United Way or United Negro College Fund or something similar.
    His wife flies on Aircraft One, takes dozens of her nearest and dearest on vaca to the South of France, and laughs about the money we are paying them for buying his book…..

  • submariner45

    Of course, Newt has been on the record multiple times defending mandates, but only Romney is disqualified on this basis because he was born north of the Mason-Dixon line.

    Newt Interview Supporting Mandates

    How many times has Newt’s support of health care mandates (including RomneyCare) been brought up here? (crickets)

    But hey! NEWT CAN WIN!

    Obama in the General ? ?Hey guys these true believer conservatives are going to build a trillion dollar moonbase and they don?t like my monorail idea.?

    Obama in the General ? ?Hey guys, this triple adulterer wants to lecture us Moral Democrats on family values ? check out my family?

    Obama in the General ? ?Hey guys the Freddie Mac lobbyist wants to talk about what caused the financial crisis.?

    Michelle Obama in the general ? ?I?d like to invite Newt Gingrich to take part in my Lets Move campaign. Also I?m glad he spends more at Tiffanys than I do?

    • avagreen

      What you are listing most likely will be used…….so which candidate won’t Obama go after with poop he’s dragged up?

      Waiting…….

      I’d rather have a candidate that at least has my interest at stake, not his own, such as in buying an election.

      • avagreen

        Just saw this above:
        http://www.redstate.com/willwong/2012/01/28/mitt-romney-damon-capital-blood-money/#comment-115

        • sandiegovoter

          You think that Gingrich missed that one when he did his oppo research on Romney?

          There’s a reason why Gingrich never brought it up. It is specious.

          • mbrat42

            Gingrich did not use Damon Clinical Labs against Romney because the Media would spend 24 hours a day for a week accusing him of attacking capitalism.

      • renl57

        Of course Obama will go negative on any Republican candidate. But which attack could be successful?

        That’s something we already have an answer to.

        In the latest WSJ-NBC poll, Gingrich starts out *18 points* behind Obama. If the election were held today between those two, Obama would win one of the biggest landslides in American history–comparable to FDR in 1932.

        It’s clear that voters already had a highly unfavorable impression of Gingrich from his work in the 1990s.

        All Obama has to do, is pick up on that.

        With Romney, Obama will be racing to define Romney before he can define himself.

        Gingrich already comes pre-defined. All Obama has to do, is remind Americans why they came to dislike Gingrich 15 years ago.

  • jj98

    When Romney campaigned for Governor of Massachusetts, did he promise to enact forced, socialized medicine if elected? If so, I would be surprised. Like Jimmy Carter, who failed to mention in his Presidential campaign that his key foreign policy objective would be giving away the Panama Canal, Mittens undoubtedly forgot to tell the voters about his plans for Romneycare. Radical left-wing professors in Massachusetts had been clamoring for socialized medicine for at least 40 years, but they were unsuccessful until the stupid Republicans ran their Trojan Horse.

    If Romney accomplished anything else as Governor, I would be interested in seeing the details. Also, could somebody post a list the names of the 36 judges nominated by Romney so that they can be researched. All that I can find online is that they included only 9 Republicans, but two openly gay men and at least one ultraliberal woman.

    • http://kindlingforcandles.wordpress.com/ INC

      Four here:

      http://www.boston.com/news/globe/city_region/breaking_news/2006/12/romney_makes_la.html

      Robert C. Cosgrove to the Superior Court;
      Michael A. Uhlarik to the District Court;
      Robert E. Powers as Clerk Magistrate of Barnstable District Court;
      Mark R. Jeffries to the Southeast Division of the Housing Court.
      ______

      Two names here and there are footnotes that might help. It’s a long article, and I may have missed something.

      http://www.amycontrada.com/Romney_s_Judiciary.html

      Marianne C. Hinkle
      Stephen Abany

    • renl57

      ….balanced the MA budget (where it had been running a $3 billion deficit, comparable to $5 billion in today’s dollars).

      …fought the MA legislature to control spending. And succeeded more often than a Republican governor could be expected to.

      …instituted numerous incentives to attract private business.

      That’s a lot, given that in the MA legislature, Dems usually outnumber Repubs by 4 to 1. They overrode *hundreds* of Romney’s vetoes. In 2006, for example, Romney issued 250 vetoes on spending. The MA legislature overrode every single one.

      Here’s the current makeup of the MA legislature today:

      House of Representatives: 128 Dems, 32 Repubs
      State Senate: 36 Dems, 4 Repubs

      Not easy to govern like a conservative in MA, is it?

      • lineholder

        He’s running for President of the US. And he’s running at a time when our debt is spiraling out of control and we desperately need someone who is going to fight tooth and nail to stop that particular trend in its tracks!

        So far, he hasn’t made the case for why he would be the best person for THAT particular challenge.

        • The_Rebel

          n/t

      • http://kindlingforcandles.wordpress.com/ INC

        McCain 2008 Oppo File provides a rebuttal with various statements from many sources.

        See Economic Policy pp, 45-65

        and the rest of it.

  • virginiahiker

    Because he is leading Obama 48 to 47 while Gingrich trails Obama 54 to 40.
    Believe it or not the general election includes more states than just South Carolina.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-01-27/swing-states-poll/52871890/1

    • elayman

      At least with we do know Obama is the enemy of this country. Romney, on the same hand, wears a deceptive and vile mask which can and does fool the uniformed. His candidacy and potential Presidency will destroy conservatism.
      but not before Obama and Axelrod will systematically destroy Mitt through an ad campaign and debates.

      I can just hear him now stammering his way through some convoluted explanation/justification for some such crap that comes out of his mouth. I used to just dislike Romney. After all the lying sleaze he has pulled in Florida I absolutely disdain him and at this point would almost rather vote for Obama.

  • http://kindlingforcandles.wordpress.com/ INC

    My emphasis:

    …Being a Tenth Amendment kind of guy, I?m predisposed toward different-strokes-for-different-states arguments: What?s right for Massachusetts may not be right for Mississippi or Montana.

    Nevertheless, some things are wrong everywhere. One such thing is a massive government infiltration into the private economy, one that coerces the purchase of a commodity (health insurance) as a condition of living in the state. For one thing, such an exercise in steroid statism establishes a rationale in law for government intrusion into every aspect of private life: If health care is deemed a corporate asset, then ?bad? behavioral choices must be regulated, lest someone get more than his share. Romney portrayed Romneycare as a model, at least for other states, if not for the nation. But no free-market, limited-government conservative thinks this officious onslaught is a model to be emulated anyplace?.

    The program schemed to exploit Medicaid?s byzantine rules in order to shift hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars from the rest of the country to Massachusetts. This was not a case of a state going its own way; it was a redistribution of wealth by which Massachusetts got Americans across the country to pay its obligations. And those obligations are metastasizing: Romneycare has driven up medical costs, driven up premiums, and increased taxes on all Americans as well as on citizens of the Bay State.

    • renl57

      Medicaid is *always* managed by the individual states as they see fit.

      In MA during the first Bush term, there was already a push to expand Medicaid coverage to cover a lot more people–and force private business to make up the shortfall. That was already well underway before Romney became Governor. Romney managed to create a health care reform law which was much more moderate than the lefties in Boston and Cambridge and Wellesley would have wanted–and gotten, had a liberal Dem been governor instead.

      Everybody here seems to be attacking Romney for having managed to deflect MA away from its hard-left approach to health care, toward a more moderate approach–as if a conservative free market approach (which so far RedState hasn’t defined or proposed) would be accepted in MA. It wouldn’t be, anymore than single-payer would be accepted in Mississippi or Idaho.

      It seems like the biggest sin Romney committed was staying in MA and trying to fix the MA health care mess. Evidently to some folks here on RedState, the only thing a good Republican living in MA should do is flee the state.

  • neilmacarthur

    Look forward to seeing Romney sprinting to the left like nothing we’ve ever seen. He’s already gone crazy on immigration stating that all illegal immigrations in this country should get a temporary work permit, and when that is over they should make their own way down the border and get in line. That’s his new immigration policy. Seriously? He saw some polls about how poorly he is polling with latinos and now he’s running hard to the left and saying he wish he could call himself half-Mexican. The man’s got no morals, he’s a hallow shell that doesn’t care about anything except for fulfilling his fathers legacy and becoming President. He might be more electable, but he’s not a conservative. He’s not even a moderate or a liberal, he’s just whatever he thinks you want. I’ll take a chance on Newt any day over that.

    • The_Rebel

      and risk people like you sitting out the election?

      • neilmacarthur

        that’s why I used the example I did. Romney had a very strong stance on immigration. Something he used to minimize Gov. Perry. Now when he is close to clinch the nomination and is polling in the low 20s with latinos, he’s turning fast away from his previous stance – to a stance where that’s basically to the left of Obama.

  • David123

    50 times worse

    Of course Obama might claim Obamacare is 57 times better
    :-)

    • greyeagle

      Romney’s campaign said he would NOT repeal Obamacare. However, in the debate the other night, Romney said he would. Which is the truth? I would say likely it will not be repealed.

      • lapert

        His campaign said no such thing. A former senator who happens to advise him suggested that was the likely practical reality given the nature of the Senate.

        Plenty of reasons to not vote for Romney, why make new ones up?

  • Whacker77

    We face a terrible choice in this primary. On the one hand, we have Romney and his flip flops. On the other hand, we’ve got the Newt suicide train and Santorum’s campaign with a cause. Bascially, we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t.

    I’m all in favor of using Newt and Santorum as vessles to stop Romney from gaining the nomination. I’m not, however, in favor of Newt or Santorum actually gaining the nomination. That’s quite fix in which to find myself, but that’s where I am anyway.

    At this point, Newt and Santorum ought to form some sort of tactical pact whereby they urge their own supporters to support the other in states where one has no chance of winning. For instance, Santorum isn’t going to win Florida so why not encourage his voters to go for Newt?

    Paul is going to do well in caucus states and, if Newt and Santorum can form some agreement, the chances a contested convention could occur increase. As I see it, that’s the only way Romney can be stopped. At least if we can get this to a contested convention, we still have time to find and draft a better candidate.

  • Locke

    I want someone to give a good answer to the question “what exactly is wrong with an individual mandate, other than its unconstitutionality and its assault on individual liberty?” We may not need any other reasons to oppose a mandate, but the voting public is not convinced by arguments from the Constitution and liberty.

    Who pays for an indigent’s health care? The possibilities are limited:

    a. No one – if he cannot pay, and no one will voluntarily pay for him, then he does not receive care – the pure conservative/libertarian answer.

    b. Other people, at the point of the government gun, whether by taxation (single payor, eg) or by cost shifting, enabled by government prohibition of competition, or by some massive Rube Goldberg scheme like Romney/Obama-care.

    Federalism, a fundamental principle of the nation’s founding and an essential for liberty, explains why this does not be resolved at the federal level, but the explanation is probably not sellable to the public, at least not without a clear explanation of how state solutions might differ, how for example Massachessetts might live with what Romney has wrought, while Texas might have sufficiently robust private charities to deal with 95% of the free rider problem, and Virginia might want a mandate limited to financial responsibility with no artificial requirements that insurance include unwanted coverages that have nothing to do with financial responsibility.

    • Locke

      nt

    • In The Hook

      It would also be impossible to package into a 30-second ad or 15-second reply during a debate. Not one that would resonate and create a “AHA!” moment for the public anyway. And that’s a damn shame.

      • Locke

        It seems to me that Romney and Gingrich are now mostly flailing mindlessly at each other, in the process trampling the 11th commandment, spoiling their own reputations for integrity, and doing damage to the party and to conservatism. If Gingrich would stop the cheap shots that smack of liberalism he could use the distinction between a mandate limited to financial responsibility and one that includes whatever some hairbrained academic thinks might be good for people (and empower bureaucrats) to launch into an attack on the absurd and expensive requirements of Obamacare (and probably also Romneycare).

        Maybe we are stuck with these 2 (or 3 or 4), but if enough people demanded it, maybe there is a chance to get Rubio or Ryan or even Perry.

  • mbrat42

    I don’t understand why the media, establishment GOP, and pundits are pushing so hard for this guy. We have been told over and over again how Romney is the most electable but I just don’t see it. It also feels like these entities are fighting against the voters.

    Romney MIGHT have been able to defend Romneycare on 10th Amendment grounds if he hadn’t made comments in the past about his plan being a model for the nation.

    Bain Capital IS a problem for him as well. When Perry and Gingrich brought up Bain, the media, conservative pundits, and “defenders of capitalism”, circled the wagons to defend Romney while demonizing Perry and Gingrich. They either didn’t understand what the two of them were saying or refused to hear it. I would like to know how Romney and all of those who came to his defense, as you stated, “explain exactly how it is that Mitt Romney is going to get in front of millions of Americans, the majority of which couldn?t tell you the name of the Speaker of the House” about his time with Bain. I’d like to know how he and they will defend Ampad, KB Toys, Damon Clinical Labs, The “He didn’t know anything about it”, “Romney left before the company went bankrupt”, “Romney left before it was purchased”, and “Romney was on the board, he had little to do with the day to day goings on”, can be torn apart if used as explanations because the “Bain Way” was developed by Romney. Perry and Gingrich did us a favor by bringing Bain up, Not as an attack against capitalism, but as a warning as to what is to come when the Obama campaign gets ahold of him.

    What Romney is doing to Gingrich in Florida right now is what Obama will do to Romney as soon as the general starts. Can Romney explain why he left companies loaded with debt, inhibiting their chances of success while reaping huge profits for himself and Bain? Or, will Obama eat him alive over it? When confronted with the fact that Damon Clinical Labs was convicted of Medicare fraud, will Romney’s defense of “he was on the board of directors but had no knowledge of the day to day goings on” be enough to defend himself or will Obama chew him up and spit him out? I would argue that in this current atmosphere, people who don’t know who the speaker of the house is, will distrust Romney and his explanations.

    I haven’t felt like Romney is all that electable for quite a long time. I will vote for him in the general ONLY because he will at least slow down the Obama agenda. I cannot vote for Newt in the Primary here in Virginia. I have decided I will vote for Ron Paul in the primary in order to do my part to try and keep Romney from receiving VA delegates.

    • greyeagle

      Romney did not make all that money by not leaving a trail of bodies along the way and stabbing people and businesses in the back.

  • codenametimna

    If socialized medicine prevails in America it will no doubt have the same effect that socialized medicine is having in other parts of the world. Britain’s NHS is a huge boondoggle with excessive cost overruns and severely rationed health care. Canada’s socialized health care system is a disaster in the making with huge shortages of available medicines and long, long waits to get the surgeries patients require. As a result, many of those very same patients die long before they ever get treated.

    Rationing and significantly worse care are just two of the downsides Obamacare will create. Higher priced health insurance premiums and a nationwide shortage of doctors will only complicate matters. Obamacare itself will cost over a $1 trillion dollars of taxpayer money just to get off the ground and rising costs will only get worse as time goes on. Additionally, Government bureaucrats will get to decide who lives and who “dies”, and consequently, will result in the much feared “death panels” that conservatives have warned about and that will most assuredly happen if this monstrosity isn’t repealed beforehand.

    The really horrendous thing is that Mitt Romney fully supports “individual mandates” to this day. In fact, Florida AG Pam Bondi recently let the cat out of the bag saying Romney wants an individual mandate enacted in all 50 states and his campaign is now on record saying that Mitt Romney will NOT do a full repeal of Obamacare. If Mitt Romney became president you can bet your bottom dollar that he will keep Obamacare intact (perhaps fully intact) and since he still defends and supports his own Romneycare debacle in Massachusetts – along with its individual mandate – you can’t trust him to discard the individual mandate in Obamacare either in my opinion. Hopefully the US Supreme Court will strike down the individual mandate requirement in Obamacare before the election, but you never know. If they don’t, Romney would likely lose to Obama in the general election anyway since conservatives would be devastated if Obamacare survived unscathed and the Republican turnout in the general election could suffer immensely because of it. Our only hope would be to try and rally the troops to get out the vote in order to win a majority in the Senate and retain a majority in the House of Representatives so as to thwart any more atrocities that Obama might try to unleash on America and the American people during a second term. God forbid.

    That said, Mitt Romney is basically a liberal trying to fake his way into the White House as a conservative in my opinion. A man’s character speaks volumes about how he would govern a country. Mitt Romney’s record in Massachusetts as Governor was vastly liberal at the onset and he only changed his tune when he decided to run for president. He knew that it would be virtually impossible for him to win the presidency (or the nomination) as a liberal Republican, so his ambitions would obviously be thwarted unless he did an about face on his liberal stances on the issues. He needs conservatives and evangelicals and the Hispanic vote to win the White House, and his only recourse, in my opinion, was to morph into a conservative and thus become a “wolf in sheep’s clothing”; and once in the White House he could very well revert back to his “flip-flopping” ways (because he has NO core principles from which to draw upon) and will have fooled the American people and could very well unleash his former (but never forsaken??) liberal beliefs on the United States of America, and the American people would get shafted in the process if indeed that happened. He’s a BIG Government, BIG spending, HIGHER taxes kind of guy (look at his record in Massachusetts if still in doubt) and the American people may find that out once again if he ever became president. God help us all.

    Rudy Giuliani said it all too well when casting Mitt Romney as a serial “flip flop” who’ll change positions ‘on a dime’ for political expediency purposes and will say or do anything necessary to get elected. And we are seeing that unfold right before our very own eyes as Romney’s campaign is using every dirty underhanded trick in the book to destroy Newt Gingrich or any other Republican candidate who gets in Romney’s way.

    Do Republicans really want a nominee who uses lies and underhanded tactics to destroy his opposition in order to get elected? We already have a president in the White House named Barack Obama who uses those very same type of tactics i.e. division, lies and deceptive practices… and look how that’s turning out?

    The United States of America is basically in real bad shape because of the same type of divisive politics that Mitt Romney is using against Newt Gingrich and in which Obama has used to destroy the economy and divide the country I might add. If Mitt Romney is willing to go to any lengths to get the Republican nomination, what would stop him from using the same dirty underhanded tactics, lies and deception, to force his will and agenda on the American people (perhaps against their will) once he got elected? I don’t think Romney can be trusted because of it either if you ask me.

    Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum would be much, much better options to fix the countries problems because they both have conservative track records of accomplishing great things for the country and economy already. On the other hand, Mitt’s accomplishments have destroyed competent health care in Massachusetts, killed 18 thousands jobs in Massachusetts after Romneycare was enacted, raised taxes, supported Planned Parenthood, supported stricter gun control laws, appointed liberal judges to the Massachusetts Supreme Court, voted for a liberal Democrat i.e. Paul Tsongas even though two Republicans were on the ballot, was 47th out of 50 states in job creation during his time as Governor and generally left the state in shambles by the time he left office in 2007 and conveniently decided to run for president. As a conservative if you can believe that. I don’t. Do you?

    PS: We might as well get these things out in the open now since they are real concerns that the American people should know about and discuss, in order that the best candidate ends up winning the nomination. If that happens to be Romney and he then wins against Obama in the general election and goes on to keep all his promises he made on the campaign trail, America should be in relatively good hands and the American people should prosper under that kind of Romney presidency. But if he “flip flops” and reverts back to his old ways, then God help us all and God help America.

    A man is only as good as his word. Uh, wait and minute… Mitt’s word has been known to vacillate back and forth like a ping pong ball on steroids. I would be simply astonished if he kept all his many promises once he won the White House. He’s already waffling on Obamacare. But I’ll still vote for him because anybody would be better than Barack Obama. Except Ron Paul perhaps.

  • aesthete

    Right now, the exploding debt, ObamaCare, and jobs are what people care about.

    Romney’s position on entitlements is indistinguishable from Obama’s. He has committed himself to not cutting entitlements as President, and has attacked the reform options on the table. He, and Obama, are theoretically in favor of reform, but have no real desire to advance the issue.

    As stated above, Romney is no different from Obama on healthcare, at least not in a meaningful and clear way that can be articulated to voters.

    Finally, Romney’s ideas for creating jobs blow. A cap gains tax cut as the centerpiece of an economic agenda is terrible from an imaging perspective, and will do almost nothing for employment. Romney’s “expertise” at creating jobs in the private sector is further taken down a peg when much of his experience was with salvaging or chopping up already broken corporations — mostly a process which entails cutting jobs and reducing expenditures. “I’m a businessman who fired lots of people — trust me” wouldn’t sell in a booming economy, much less one where people are struggling to find jobs. His 1% status, and work in the financial industry, are a major impediment to Americans trusting or liking him.

    So, what are we left with? Not foreign policy: Romney and Obama’s goals on this front are aligned, and Obama has 4 years of experience as well as a nice trophy in the form of Osama’s corpse. Sputtering about “apology tours” and vague “anti-Americanism” just isn’t enough to sustain an attack on Obama, on this front. Indeed, with all major issues off the table, it becomes a matter of imaging: and despite the unpopularity of his policies, Obama as a person is still popular and liked in the US.

    Romney seems to be banking on low-information voters disillusioned with the economy to vote him into office, and on Obama’s base to stay home. That may very well end up happening, but is in no way a huge victory for conservatives, who will have to put up with White Obama for four years, and all that that entails.

    • David123

      That didn’t work out so well. It is not good to nominate someone who takes key issues off the table.

  • hobiecat

    Mitt and the RNC have probabley done more to damage the conservative movement in this primary to the extent by which it will not recover for years.

    If I were writing a script for a political satire, the “candidate” Mitt Romney would fit the bill to a tee.

  • lightspeed

    He did it first in Massachutsetts and paved the way for Obamacare. And we really want him to be our standard bearer? Reagan must be turning over in his grave.

    • maybenexttime

      When it was politically expedient, Mitt said he wasn’t trying to return to Reagan/Bush. I’m sure he could care less what Reagan’s corpse is doing. Reagan is just a convenient prop for most RINOs these days in case you didn’t notice. Few (if any) of them have the ability to connect with voters the way he did.

  • gipper823

    He’s outspending Gingrich by about 1000%. Sad but true.

    While Gingrich is spending between 1 and 3 million per state, Romney is spending over $15 million.

    Romney will buy this election yet!

    • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

      It seems only Romney came prepared with a full-fledged in-it-to-win-it warchest.

      • The_Rebel

        those people know a winner when they see one.

  • submariner45

    Why is Newt not being held to the same standard?

    • maybenexttime

      This is why the GOP has shot themselves in the foot this time. Neither viable candidate (Gingrich or Romney) can lay claim to opposing government-mandated health insurance. One of them signed it into law as an executive and the other advocated it as good public policy.

      The GOP needed a candidate who strongly opposed the individual mandate from the very beginning — not just one who suddenly opposed it because Obama was for it.

  • Ben Howe

    If the defenses I’m seeing in the comments here are an example of what to expect with a Romney nomination, this is going to be a blowout in November.

    “He’s not a banker!” Right. He ran a private equity investment firm. I’m sure the populace at large is going to see a huge difference. As I said in the article but some seem ilequipped to actually read and/or comprehend, it doesn’t MATTER if the narrative is fair or true, what matters is if they can make it stick. Leaping from private equity to wall street banking is just not a big leap for most Americans.

    “Everyone else supported the mandate too!!” Yay. This gives Romney credibility on the issue because….? Oh that’s right. It doesn’t. It’s just a “he did it to!!!” response and accomplishes zero.

    These are weak defenses people. Gimme something to work with. If he’s gonna be the nominee you’re gonna have to do better than this.

    • renl57

      Let me repeat the argument:

      MA, like every other state, is required by Federal law (signed in 1986 by President Reagan) to provide treatment to everyone regardless of their legal status, ability to pay, or citizenship. No one can be turned away from a hospital because they have no insurance and can’t pay. So who should pay?

      As a result, MA hospitals were being inundated by the uninsured, who knew they could walk into Emergency Rooms for care and have it provided to them “for free.” But as you know, someone has to pay the hospital and the doctors for that treatment. If not the patient, then whom?

      That is the situation that Governor Romney walked into after he was elected.

      I’m getting tired of hearing all these criticisms of what Romney came up with from critics who have NO ALTERNATIVE to suggest.

      How about explaining what Romney should have done differently instead of the healthcare reform package he and the MA legislature came up with?

      I’ll tell you what we are NOT going to do: We are not going to deny care to poor people who can’t afford insurance premiums, and send them home to be sick and possibly to die. Unless they go begging to private charities and hospitals, which is unlikely given the staggering cost of treatment of many chronic illlnesses. (Can a church afford to pay $75,000 a year for just one parishioner’s dialysis treatments?)

      That may be how a laissez-faire health care system works, but it’s not the kind of society I want to live in.

      Now in retrospect, there was a way to achieve the same goal–everyone can get treatment affordably–without the heavy hand of a mandate. Namely, replace the mandate with a generous tax credit. Instead of being forced to buy insurance whether you can afford it or not, you can buy insurance and the part you can’t afford will be picked up by the Government.

      But either way, there are going to continue to be millions of Americans whose health care costs exceed their ability to pay.

      And there will continue to be children born with chronic illnesses that will make them virtually uninsurable in their adult life (unless their premiums are set so high that no one could afford them): Diabetes, hemophilia, etc.

      And instead of harping on RomneyCare, RomneyCare, RomneyCare, I’m still waiting to hear what the 100% free market solution to those problems is.

    • In The Hook

      How about that for a defense? A Gingrich/Obama race makes the race all about Newt having a ton of baggage, being an unstable leader and being all over the place when it comes to his views. A Santorum/Obama race makes this a culture warrior race and Obama will win that easily because Rick’s statements on homosexuality are going to really scare off the middle. It won’t matter that he just made a poor analogy, he’s going to be castigated as a bigot and it will gain a ton of traction with the middle.

      A Romney/Obama race has the greatest chance of being either a referendum on Obama or an Occupy election. I think Obama would be best served to ignore the temptation be a class warrior and go at Romney like Bush went at Kerry in 2004, but I don’t know that he’ll resist that temptation. And frankly I think it’s darn important we take this idiotic meme head on. We should be lauding success and pushing for those who were great in the business world to teach government a thing or two about how to stop being wasteful with taxpayer money. That’s how we got into this ridiculous financial situation to begin with.

      Instead we’re going to back off because Obama will make the GOP into the “party of the rich”? News flash, we’re already called that. Romney being the nominee isn’t going to make that worse. We should be concerned with Romney’s weakness in term s of his core political principles. We shouldn’t be worried that this will become an Occupy election. We should welcome that, especially if the lovely folks in Oakland go truly postal.

      • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

        Santorum will run on job creation.

        Romney will run on job creation.

        Santorum will more credibly appeal to the blue collar workers because Obama will make Romney out to be the wall st bankster responsible for the financial crisis. He cant tag Santorum that way. He will try.

        As for Newt, Obama can win just by running against Newt.

        • acat

          Assuming that by “blue collar”, you mean “unskilled labor” – because that’s really the only “blue collar” career track that’s vanished – demand for carpenters, plumbers, electricians, mechanics, and other skilled trades has not dropped even if demand for union-represented trades may have …

          The trouble with unskilled labor jobs is that, at this point, automation is cheaper, as is manufacturing overseas.

          Some unskilled labor jobs may return if we slap tariffs on imports – at the cost of jobs in the import/export sector and higher prices on the shelves – but I have a difficult time seeing that as a net positive.

          Mew

    • fightnright

      these words bear repeating:

      ‘anybody but Obama’.

      It won’t matter what the argument is, it’s the state of the economy that will have the final word re: (R) v (D) in this election, just as it did in the last.

      Indies, moderate Repubs and moderate dems went (D) last outing, with what appeared to be a fresh, charismatic moderate Dem because the economy perilously flatlined and a long, unpopular, costly war had been supported by his mumble-mouthed, elderly and crotchety seeming opponent. The youthful and bright Obama’s historical election was totally supported by an unprecedented number of past unreliable voters, African-Americans and the youth vote.

      If the economy is bad, it doesn’t matter what character or capitalism assassination Obama unloads, or what the fake employment numbers assert. The decision of the ‘anybody but Obama’ faction will win the day, and already burned, they are not going to support someone perceived as chancy or outre. The centrists will be actively looking for someone who cannot be defined as radical in any sense. These voters give us our shot at winning swing states this November – battleground states like CO, FL, IA, MI, NC, NH, NV, VA, OH.

      In such a contest, to support an (R) win, non-RINO right-wing voters only need to decide whether or not they prefer to win this election or to throw it. It’s strange how many redstaters admit that at this point in the primary, Santorum’s numbers prove to them that he cannot win, yet if you go to the list of head to head presidential matchup polls on realclearpolitics, you will see that Santorum’s numbers v Obama closely mirror Gingrich’s v Obama. Romney is the only one who even makes it a horserace.

      The safest Republican ticket for November might be Romney-Rubio (which I believe is becoming a real possibility behind the scenes) or Romney-Santorum (unfortunately both Northeasterners).

      • In The Hook

        We want this to be a referendum election. Romney is the best candidate left to accomplish that mission. Yes, he has glaring weaknesses but Santorum and Gingrich are far, far easier targets.

        I’ll be enthused if Rubio gets on the ticket, but I think a Romney/McDonnell ticket is even more likely and makes more sense.

        McDonnell can’t run for re-election in 2012 so what does he have left to do? It pushes a critical state towards our column for both the presidential and the senate races and it plays up the “executive experience” theme. It also balances the ticket geographically.

        • fightnright

          I’ll gladly vote for McDonnell (the only fixture I’ll miss from Obamaville is Biden’s gaffe’o'the day. Lord knows I’ve needed comic relief these last few years).

  • http://www.RayJuniorShow.com/ rayjuniorshow

    rather than debate this, let’s just show you how weak mittens is when even one of his flunkies can’t properly defend obamneycare:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX8IGXGVqdo

  • Rick_Caird

    If Romney is elected, all his solutions will be big government. Even if SCOTUS rejects the mandate and throws out ObamaCare, Romney will be pushing for lots of government control over the health care system.

    Between that and the vicious negative advertising here in Florida, I will never vote for Romney even if he is the Republican candidate. I say that as someone who has voted for every Republican candidate since 1968 when I cast my first Presidential vote for Nixon. I have never regretted voting for the Republican candidate, but I would if I were to vote for Romney. So, in 2012 I will vote for the libertarian candidate before I will vote for Romney.

    • In The Hook

      Aside from Goldwater and Coolidge. Name one.

      McCain? Either of the Bushes? Dole? Ford? Nixon? Dewey? Hoover? Anybody? I can’t think of one. Reagan ran against the government to be sure and made incremental moves to shrink government, but none of his big ideas ever passed muster through the Congress. The Department of Education is still here unfortunately and bigger than ever. And the Gipper was just as adamant about preserving our entitlement programs as Carter or Mondale was, even as he drummed up support for slashing the bureaucracy.

      It’s a fantasy that we’ve ever had somebody running on the national stage come out and advocate for something like the Ryan plan. And why? Because they’d get crucified in the media for it and never get any traction with seniors. So have fun throwing away your vote this year. I’ll get behind the GOP nominee who will, with the backing of a Republican Congress, at least try to get our fiscal house in order before we hit a Greece-style brick wall.

      • aesthete

        the Republican party has seen such a drop-off in membership? Kinda hard to maintain base enthusiasm when “we suck less!” has been the (only somewhat true) rallying cry for the past 25 years.

  • jgge

    is what would make Romney a sure loser in the general elections. Many on our side are afraid to say it but it is the absolute truth. There is no way under the sun that Romney is going to be elected President because of Bain Capital. There is no way under the sun that a majority of voters is going to elect for President an investment banker who founded Bain Capital where its main business is to sell and buy companies and in the process many people lost their jobs and whether the companies they bought were destroyed or survived Bain Capital made a lot of money in the vast majority of the cases.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    Mr. Gingrich wholly and fully supported the individual mandate and many other aspects of what RomneyCare included in its original bill.

    Yet, we should accept Mr Gingrich’s excuse that- even the Heritage Foundation originally supported the individual mandate,etc., but now neither of us do…so just – move on?

    Seems to me the only difference between Romney and Gingrich is that Romney actually implemented it and Gingrich waxed philosophically about it. Frankly, it’s a little easier to walk back positions when you are just the “ideas” guy.

    Here’s an idea; how about we move on from both Romney and Gingrich’s past positions and proceed on the basis of what they are currently stating as a campaign promise?

    • Ben Howe

      But you’re hitting the very crux of my entire issue with Romney. Gingrich & Heritage flip flopped, but they have come out with a position that is anti-Romneycare and Anti-Obamacare. They’ve got a position that opposes the very idea.

      If Romney would flip to that side, I’d TOTALLY move on. My issue is that he won’t. That’s the whole point of the article. He’s trying to have it both ways. He wants to continue to tout Mass. reform as a success and simultaneously attack Obamacare for doing virtually the same thing.

      I can’t move on from Romneycare until he does, it’s as simple as that.

      • In The Hook

        He’s already a flip-flopper. He can’t flip away from one of the biggest bills he signed as governor of Massachusetts. He truly is stuck between a rock and a hard place so he’s trying to squeeze between the gap with a federalism argument. I think there’s room to wiggle there, at least rhetorically, but he’s got to add the point that Rubio has repeatedly made about Obamacare bankrupting our country. He’s gotta get out there and say “this is a new entitlement. We can’t afford our existing entitlements without serious reform, and we’re tacking a new one on? That’s crazy. Rising healthcare costs and access to care are serious issues, but this national one-size-fits-all remedy is not a remedy. It’s exacerbating our fiscal disease and must be cut off immediately. Then we can figure out how to properly address the underlying problem.”

        I think that’s enough of a pivot without getting into the problem of either defending RomneyCare or flipping yet again. Why his campaign can’t package his up I don’t understand.

        • aesthete

          isn’t willing to tackle the old entitlements. Romney is running on a pro-status quo platform as far as entitlements go.

          • acat

            The choice to run as a “status quo” candidate, on Romney’s part, indicates an assumption that he can find and get Congress to act upon enough fraud, waste, and abuse to – without raising taxes significantly* or cutting benefits – keep the gravy train on the rails.

            I believe he’s mistaken.

            Mew

            * Romney signed off on about 2%per year hikes in Massachusetts, IIRC.

          • aesthete

            from a long-term perspective — his assertion is completely wrong as a matter of basic arithmetic.

            I’m sure he could punt and let the next President handle the issue without many repercussions to his political career or the US’ short-term economic status, however.

          • acat

            let the Dems regroup and try again.

            Mew

      • Marcus_Traianus

        Romney’s current position, as stated and prominently featured on his website is to repeal PPAC.

        What Romney defends is the fact that it was the right thing to do for the state of Massachusetts at the time. He thought it was. So would have Gingrich in that time frame.

        I am no special pleader or fanboy for either Romney or Gingrich. Frankly, I believe either one of them would be eminently better than Mr. Obama. Yet here we are propping up cardboard images of sacred cows from the past and declaring them relevant to our current debate.

        • Ben Howe

          The one we are all commenting on? The one where I specifically said that the problem is ONLY attacking that one specific aspect of Romneycare won’t cut it? That he has to decide if he’s philosophically opposed to the topdown concept put forth by it?

          Your comment suggests that you either didn’t read or didn’t comprehend what the entire point was.

          • Marcus_Traianus

            I simply thought it was a non sequitur.

            You started with a Premise that Mr. Romney’s Electability is not “inevitable”, which I think most people would agree is a reasonable statement, then pasted together a bunch of statements on healthcare and even threw in the “slick banker” and “banker overlords” ad hominems for good measure. But I truly missed your point- especially amidst all the “they claim’s” and “their surrogates”. AM i suppose to believe that Romney is for a…national mandate similar to Obamacare?

            I also frankly believe that Gingrich supports some degree of mandate when he speaks of “a healthcare safety net focused on those truly in need”, which I would love to hear him define further (especially the implementation) and is fine by me. He just cloaks it in semantics. Another interesting question is- how do we get the “freeloaders” and other people who don’t pay to have some skin in the game?

            My apologies, but this looks like a poorly cloaked, specious political argument.

          • Ben Howe

            But I’ll cut to the chase. I wasn’t accusing Romney of anything. I was saying that merely being against the national mandate is not enough to beat Obama on the most important topic of the election: Obamacare.

            If he wants to be taken seriously, he needs to either disown Romneycare or embrace Romneycare. But this distraction of talking about the national mandate every time isn’t going to work. People want to know if he agrees with Obamacare in substance, not just whether or not he disagrees with the process which brought it about.

          • Marcus_Traianus

            I believe the biggest issues of this election will be the economy, jobs/employment, Mr. Obama’s competence to perform the job and his lack of accomplishments to move us forward (comparing his promises to record…and it ain’t all on Congress which he controlled with a historic majority for two years). This could change, which I will further explain.

            Obamacare is certainly an important ingredient. But it will be from the economic and jobs perspective (which it has destroyed). However, the importance of any Obamacare discussion/relevancy will be decided/framed by whatever happens with the SCOTUS decision.

    • JSobieski

      and both push us further away from market-driven approaches

      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

        State health ins monopolies being number one…government distortion of the market and cause of high costs thru Medicare and Medicaid policies, tort laws, defensive medicine…etc

        • acat

          One of the failings of the Bush 2.0 presidency is that, while he had the bully pulpit, he only expanded the role of the Fed, he didn’t manage to remove any of the market distortions or push any tort reforms, etc.

          That said, the “cure” in the case of Obamacare (and less so in the case of Romneycare, a difference without distinction) is worse than the “disease”….

          Mew

          • jakeofalltrades

            People who – on their own – honor their debts should not be nannied.

          • acat

            without asking for proof of insurance, proof of ability to pay, etc. ?

            The problem with the mandate is that it seeks – from a business standpoint, logically – to identify slackers up front. That way, though, pretty much has to end in mandates.

            Not having a mandate means we must identify free riders on the back end – giving them “one free punch”.

            The solution to that looks a lot more like some kind of enhanced debt collection rules for medical care providers, so they can claw back money from free riders prior to other debtors getting their shares. This has the advantage of using existing bankruptcy laws and courts etc., and being basically free-market.

            Mew

          • jakeofalltrades

            the debtor is too poor to afford it anyway, and that is the cost that should be socialized. Only then should regulation apply.

            Look at the percentage of uninsured: we are talking about an extreme minority here. All-encompassing regulatory regimes should not be created to solve the problems of a small minority.

          • acat

            (null)

          • jakeofalltrades

            A little C++ humor, my bad.

          • jakeofalltrades

            When I originally viewed this, your comment had not title and only null as the text.

          • acat
          • jakeofalltrades

            Phat.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            We’re getting to the point where there’s an xkcd for any occasion.

          • JSobieski

            you are going to start scaring people

          • acat

            to be a net good in itself.

            Mew

          • jakeofalltrades

          • JSobieski

            and even Hollywood movies are contrary to that point of view (see “Falling Down”)

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

             

          • jakeofalltrades

            And, I suspect, the only one to fit the category.

            Awards diary in the making…

          • acat

            The “obfuscated C code” contest is painful enough to try to grok.

            Mew

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            I used to think it was so powerful. Now I know it’s just blub.

          • acat

            invaded the shop I was at. We were mostly C, both new code and maintenance on legacy C code systems that used some non-standard compilers.

            I started on Java when it was new, but the jump from non-object-oriented directly was .. difficult. The early symptoms of carpal tunnel and a pay raise encouraged me to jump to systems administration instead.

            Mew

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            Shows you where I started.

          • znjs

            Favorite class project ever. Not really sure why in the early 2000′s they were still teaching us assembly, but still good times. Only problem was that pac-man could get stuck in a corner sometimes (couldn’t never figure out exactly why) and he wouldn’t finish eating the dot so every second he was stuck the score would go up as he’d get credit for eating the dot.

          • acat

            I liked it. Until I got the hang of it, I thought it was torture.

            Mew

          • jakeofalltrades

            It and C# have lexical closures with lambda expressions + expression trees[all my links open in new window]. So your knowledge will not rot :) . And you don’t have to become a smug lisp weenie to use it ;) .

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            I’ll take Ruby or Python before C++ any day.

            I prefer Ruby because I like the Smalltalk family of languages (which also includes ObjC) but Python is solid.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            smile…but no

          • jakeofalltrades

            Most people don’t like being a debt-slave for twenty to life and would opt for insurance on their own. The ones that won’t get debt slavery + forced to buy insurance or, for the indigent, get medicaid.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            the taxes we already pay for Medicare and Medicaid would pay for it…

          • jakeofalltrades

            So that’s not really a toxic word in this case.

            The only problem I have with a mandate is that it is not narrowly tailored: only the small percentage of freeloaders need regulation, not every single person.

            If someone fails to pay any ER bill, the court or agency should be able to order garnishment or attachment for insurance premiums as well as restitution, or enrollment in medicaid as appropriate. If a pre-existing condition is discovered such that no insurance can be purchased, then medicaid again should apply.

            The collection process should be streamlined as appropriate.

            All of this should be handled at the state level so we can use the federalist laboratory to find the best way to do it.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            that

          • acat

            No mandate for all citizens, extra options for medical service providers to claw back money from willful deadbeats, indigent service continues as it is now.

            Now, if only one of the candidates would say it …

            Mew

          • jakeofalltrades

            Now all we need is a small-government conservative electorate with heads that don’t require the rectum’s embrace to stay warm.

          • acat

            with whichever goat-copulating nimrods decided to include Huntsman but exclude Johnson in the early debates…

            Ten minutes. With the responsible {excrement}-for-brains. And a nail gun.

            Mew

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Glad to see you’ve come around on calling threadjacks :)

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            in any way meant to disparage!

            I actually thought of you when I typed those words thinking I would get called out and I feel even better about your general level of extreme competence! seriously my man

          • synergist777

            The project leader for my first C++ project (an ambitious cross platform Mac/Windows/DOS appplication back in 1990 or so) was a Smalltalk programmer, so I learned to program in C++ as if it were an object oriented language. Made the transition to Java MUCH easier.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            “learned to program in C++ as if it were an object oriented langauge.”

            That is a COLD slap at C++. Well done.

    • JSobieski

      the fact that low premium high deductible plans are not allowed in Mass.

  • maybenexttime

    The media is suddenly touting that Romney is unstoppable again and will win Florida. This is probably true, but I don’t think Romney’s momentum is because of anything he did himself this past week.

    Instead, Gingrich came into the Florida debates and started talking about colonizing the Moon during his second term. That just isn’t going to fire people up about his candidacy. Even Floridians, who rely on a robust space program to fuel their economy, seemed rather unimpressed by this goal. Space travel is so 1965. That day has long since passed. There are much bigger challenges to tackle on Planet Earth, specifically America, and Gingrich lost sight of that by attempting to pander.

    Forget about the economic impracticalities of colonizing the moon and using it as an industrial base. Such a move would add hundreds of billions of the national debt and make the finished product infinitely more expensive for consumers. Why Gingrich thought this would be a good centerpiece for winning Florida voters, I will never understand. It was a ridiculous attempt at seeming visionary, and Gingrich completely took his eye off the ball.

    That mis-step allowed Romney to move in with a retooled set of talking points about his “leadership” and now the GOP will be saddled with 2008′s primary loser.

    • johnnyd

      Did you know there is a space race going on RIGHT now for the moon? Do you know why? Helium 3 is the answer.

      Did you know that experts say that one space shuttle load of Helium 3 could provide enough clean nuclear fusion to provide energy for the entire US for one year?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rEqHP9dOQ&feature=related

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rEqHP9dOQ&feature=related

      This is why our country is in trouble, the media does not give the whole story and voters take their sound bytes as the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

      No, instead we have Potus wasting billions on failed green energy where other countries are abandoning windturbines and solar panels.

      • johnnyd

        Can you imagine if the GOP push the holly grail of clean energy for the planet? Of course we need more proof it is a truly viable energy source.

        • jakeofalltrades

          We’ve been promised cold fusion for decades, but none have delivered. Let’s put the horse before the cart on this one. Besides – there is no reason to act as though the entire moon will be claimed before we can get there.

          • znjs

            that doesn’t require a colony, much less one big enough to become a state. It requires a mining lab, which preferably primarily uses robots rather than human labor.

          • acat

            Newt wants to get to the moon, permanently. An He3 reactor built, where we can find He3 .. on the moon.. is just one potential benefit.

            Germany are shutting down nuclear reactors and switching to fossil fuels and “green” electricity .. where they can get it.

            I’d prefer to be going forward rather than going quietly into decline.

            Mew

          • znjs

            means that I want/am willing for the the US to go into decline. Big ideas are cool. But Obama has some big ideas too. Doesn’t make me in favor of them either. They have to be the right big ideas. I still haven’t seen why having a moon base/colony of the type Newt seems to be pushing for is the right big idea. And Newt isn’t doing a good job of explaining why he thinks this is a good big idea, or indeed even a poor job of explaining it – just that it’s a big idea and he’s a big idea thinker. I haven’t seen him mention He3 at all, although it is possible I’m missing it.

          • acat

            you instead reject the idea out of hand?

            I don’t recall Gingrich mentioning He3 either. It is, however, one of the things that boffins and geeks (not pejorative, I is one) think will be possible to work with on the moon.

            As it’s theoretically the perfect clean fuel, minimal radiation, no long-term waste products, no CO2 – no carbon output at all – it is what the greens would be pushing toward if they were sincere.

            As far as not “liking” the moon idea, I’d ask you to consider the historical parallels of Apollo and the Space Shuttle. Those big ideas worked out very nicely on the civilian side, eh?

            Mew

          • znjs

            A moon base would be very cool. I’m single and currently unattached, if there were a moon base and they were looking for volunteers to live there for a year there’s a very good chance I’d sign up. But I don’t see the cost/benefit ratio working here for a variety of reasons, and I don’t even seen Newt making the argument that there are reasons to think it would be in our best interest.

            As I said in our previous thread about this, exploring putting a colony on Mars would actually be something I’d being willing to push for. Not as a 51st state – I think that would be silly and pointless. People living on another planet would have such different concerns and issues that the idea of them living under the US constitution is just nonsense IMO.But I think going for putting people on Mars would have all the same and many more benefits that the moon base/colony would give us. And I know Newt has also talked about going to Mars. But his moon base idea, and his failure to defend it, tells me he’s just spouting ideas. As I said, Obama can come up with some pretty big ideas too. But I want the President to have the right big ideas. I don’t think Newt does.

          • znjs

            I’d point out that we weren’t borrowing money from the Soviets to fund our space program. Given that any space race at this point would be between us and China, I’d say that’s a pretty big difference.

          • jakeofalltrades

            At which point, I support returning in force.

          • acat

            requires either lifting quite a lot of equipment – basically everything we would need to go to Mars, land on Mars, get back to orbit, and come home – out of our gravity well.

            Further, the longest any human has actually lived in space is much shorter than the length we’d need to get to Mars.

            Building a moon base first has several advantages including a significantly less cumbersome gravity well, and learning more about how to survive in space, and on a different world. What we know that we don’t know, so to speak, is significant.

            Further, in the past this kind of “grand dream” has had both short-term positive-nationalistic impacts, and long-term positive civilian product impacts.

            The technology developed for Apollo has very much changed our world, and some of the materials science developed for the Space Truck (shuttle) is having its’ impact as we speak. The payback cycle is long, but IMO worthwhile.

            What sort of “big dreams” is it that you’re looking for?

            Mew

          • znjs

            would be an independent (eventually) self-sustaining human colony not on earth. I don’t see that being possible on the moon, but I think there is a possibility of it happening on Mars – although I’d want to see more research done to see if it is possible.

            While you’re absolutely right that what we don’t know that we don’t know is a big issue, for various reasons (gravity, atmosphere etc) I don’t think that the moon works as a first step. I think that projects like recent MARS-500 experiment as well as the tests we’ve done/can continue to do on people in space stations will do more to prepare us for colonizing Mars then putting a base on the moon will do. Earth is a better model for Mars then the moon is.

            What I’d like to see next is putting a satelite around Mars that would focus the sun’s light to try to warm some of the permafrost on Mars surface into water and seeing if (using a rover) we can grow some type of moss or fungi there. Let’s see if we can have life, even on a small scale, survive on Mars.

          • acat

            Earth is a better teacher for Mars.

            That said, there’s still the issue of lifting everything out of our gravity well, and of Mars being significantly farther away…

            Still, a worthy “big dream”, and one I hope to live long enough to see underway.

            Mew

      • sevanclaig

        they also maliciously ignored his clearly made statement that it would be funded 90% by private enterprise and the government would only provide prizes- Google tried it with enormous success.
        we give a half a billion a year to planned parenthood even though they have a billion dollars in assets and profited 1/4 billion last year.
        What 500 million isn’t enough prize money to find out a little more about Helium 3.

      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

        nt

        • jakeofalltrades

          especially at being dumb.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            Moon Unit

    • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

      #1 – “heartless” going to Romney’s left on immigration AND compounding it with an attack he had to withdraw

      #2 – Moon becomes the next state. “oops” a reminder that Newt has some ideas that are … looney.

      #3 – Got caught lying. Lied about giving ABC friends to ‘refute’ what Marriane said. Had to withdraw one ad, had to walk back other comments.

      Those 3 are reminders that newt is:
      a) not always conservative
      b) unpredictable in his ideas
      c) has character ‘issues’

      Gingrich IMHO jumped the shark with his immigration attack on Romney; its was total His-pandering of the worst sort. It was the straw that broke my support for him in any case.

  • jc230

    Kerry couldn’t win, Romney won’t win. I won’t bore you by outlining the obvious parallels between these to politicians. Get ready for four more years of Obama. It appears it needs to get far more ugly in this country than it already is, and it will be ugly.

    • jgge

      we can stop the vast majority of Obama destructive socialist and liberal agenda. Winning the Senate would give us a more powerful position.

      • JSobieski

        We need someone in the White House who will not oppose repeal of Obamacare. Otherwise, the country will be permanently transformed.

        • jgge

          transformed. Just stop all this sky is falling chicken little crap.

          • lineholder

            The cost of maintaining Obamacare is much higher than what has been presented to the American people. Unless we want to watch our health care system as a whole implode, the only option will be to increase taxes to pay for those costs. The taxes take away from expendable income that would be used to support private sector endeavors. Whether the taxes come at a state or federal level will be a moot point.

            During the past three years, we’ve had periods of time riding along the edge of a mild demand side crisis as it is. When higher taxes to pay for this great boondoogle kick in, expendable income for the individual consumer will decrease further, and this will move us more in the direction of at least a moderate demand side crisis (possibly severe, depending on how quickly things move) in the private sector, stifling and suppressing growth and development of the private sector even more than we’ve already witnessed, putting more small businesses at particular at risk, contributing to higher unemployment, moving more people into the ranks of depending on welfare and government-run social programs for their existence.

            All this rhetoric that the left and the Dems spout about “fairness” and “equality” and the nobility of “shared prosperity through shared sacrifice”…they really believe all that stuff and think that if they can just fundamentally transform the economic environment in this nation, then they can persuade the American people that this is indeed the better philosophy for government and for the lives of American citizens.

            But their naivete when it comes to trying to impose that philosophy on the private sector never fails to stun me, because it is an unrealistic as it gets. They expect business owners to continue to offer jobs to people and to support the collectivist philosophy even when the financial ledgers of income versus expenditures will not allow a business owner to do so. They expect individual consumers to continue to purchase products and services for the sake of supporting the grand “collectivist” dream and keeping our economy going, even when individual consumers are left with empty pockets.

            They are playing Russian roulette with our economy for the sake of pursuing their agenda. The odds are against them every inch of the way, but they are going to pursue to the death all the same.

        • jakeofalltrades

          I’m sure many said the same about the New Deal and the Great Society, too. And now, half the country pays the bills of the other half.

          No fundamental transformation? I want what you’re smoking.

          • jakeofalltrades

            Was also a reply to jgge.

      • lineholder

        and plays by the rules, jgge. He’s already displayed a proclivity to bypass these things during his first term. And that was Obama being conservative in his approach because he wanted to win a second term.

        What happens when he is unbridled during a second term???

        • jgge

          and then come and complain that the sky is falling, soup kitchen and all… After all we can say all the crap we want to say on the internet…

          • lineholder

            doesn’t concern you? That’s ONLY an increase at the state level, required to support the state’s involvement in Medicaid activities. It doesn’t even begin to take into account federal tax increases that will be ecessary to support subsidies in the public health insurance exchange.

            And if you want a cite to support that percentage, here’s an article from Forbes magazine explaining it.

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/01/27/could-the-ppacas-medicaid-expansion-be-unconstitutional

          • JSobieski

            Both Obamacare and Romneycare make it hard of a true marketplace to function. Obamacare is going to wipe out HSA/low premium plans—the ONLY tool we have for a conservative reform of Medicare.

            Without a conservative tool to reform Medicare, we face a budget deficit from which we will never recover.

            Obamacare is the linchpin for becoming Europe.

            Not a coincidence since it was healthcare that mad Europe … Europe in the first place.

            No prosperous nation has ever repealed a health care entitlement that applied to its entire population.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    Look the “grass roots” (whoever that is) blew it.

    There were three tea party type candidates in this race:

    Perry
    Bachman
    Cain

    The closest the grassroots came to choosing one was Cain and we saw what happened there.

    Sadly, and though I think he’s close to deranged, Ron Paul is probably the closest candidate to the Tea Party.

    At this point, I’d just say screw it.

    Unless someone else gets back in, vote for Newt and go for a brokered convention. But I really wouldn’t want Newt to win at this point.

    Then maybe we force a Tea Party candidate onto the ticket in the VP slot.

    My take on it is that we get either Rubio (who the Tea Party loves) or we get Rand Paul in the VP slot (he’s one of the original Tea Party candidate AND we keep Ron Paul from going third party).

    Blame it all on Cheri Daniels.

    What we really need to do is start focusing on Senate and House candidates.

    • In The Hook

      There are things the establishment can teach the base. Like how to not support fundamentally unserious candidates like Cain, O’Donnell and Angle. The base and grassroots can teach the establishment to get a spine. Or at least the grassroots can slowly take over the establishment to push it to the right while learning how to not promote clownish candidates and play to win.

      It’s a real shame that Pawlenty ran a hideous campaign because right now we’d all be agreeing that he’s a great compromise between the base’s desire for an actual conservative and the establishment’s desire for a candidate that won’t paint a huge target on his back or could get stuck with the “Tea Party candidate” label that is corrosive to moderates.

      • LibertarianHawk

        I fully appreciate what the conservative/TP element is trying to do. The GOP has been in need of wholesale remodeling for quite some time. This effort will make it a better party.

        And I should say that I saw the purpose of pressing forward with Christine O’Donnell. I had mixed feelings about it. On one hand, it put the party on notice that we’ll no longer stand idly by as they put forth RINOs. On the other, it seems a bridge too far right now to get a conservative elected in a state like Delaware.

        Doing this on a national basis, though, is a whole different ballgame.

        The GOP has needed a candidate who can simultaneously appeal to TP dissidents as well as establishment Republicans and swing voters. I, personally, thought that Mitch Daniels was the best option for this — but he took himself out.

        The next best was Pawlenty, but he also took himself out.

        The rest of these “non-Romneys” — Cain, Gingrich, Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, etal…not to mention Paul — have all proven to be non-starters for various reasons. Most of them would appeal plenty to the dissident Republican conservatives and Tea Partiers, but not enough to the other groups we’ll need to have a chance.

      • aesthete

        for the establishment to work with the base to elect more savvy, limited-government conservatives.

        “The establishment” (what a poorly-defined term!) benefits from un-Constitutional, large government. The RNC and the DNC are multi-million dollar businesses that run based on their provision of government benefits and funds to their clients. They aren’t going to willingly change their business model or mentor their competitors within or outside the party. Conservatives in the grassroots are not going to effect their goals by working hand in hand with the “establishment”. They are going to do so by creating incentives for the establishment to work with them out of pure political self-preservation. This can only be done through shows of political effectiveness and primary challenges to people who don’t play ball. The establishment must be brought in line — its priorities are skewed, and will not volitionally change.

        • LibertarianHawk

          But, with the way this primary season has gone, I’m not sure the GOP establishment can count on it being true from this point forward….even if Romney, as seems increasingly likely, prevails.

          Compare the way this has gone with even the way the 2008 primaries went. In both cases, it was clear who the party establishment wanted….McCain struggled to get over the finish line, but (arguably) not as much as Romney has.

          This time, you have GOP operatives going on national television predicting a meltdown if an anti-establishment candidate wins a lone primary (Gingrich in Florida).

          So, the problem here is not that the dissident movements haven’t gotten their points across. The problem is that the candidates they had to hitch their wagons to weren’t quite up to snuff.

          So, IMO, ground has been gained in this struggle. As I said elsewhere, elections are a winner-take-all endeavor. Politics on the whole is not. You can have a huge impact and not be victorious.

          That’s why Ron Paul has seemed to cheerful in defeat. He’s been pulling some significant numbers and he knows what that means: political gravity.

          • aesthete

            Judging from how little the Republican party learned from 2012, I’ll believe it when I see it. In any case, while I greatly criticized the nomination of O’Donnell, both her and Angle served the purpose of demonstrating that MAD is an option that Tea Partiers have the will to force on the party. Backing away from that stance is folly, IMO: certainly we can and should provide avenues for established and moderate Republicans to unite with us, but by no means should we make their lives easier for the mistaken purpose of good sportsmanship or as an errant application of the 11th Commandment. Everything should have strategic or tactical purpose; our conciliation with moderates should be based on mutual benefit rather than sentiment.

  • LibertarianHawk

    …but I think that Romney would lose in November, and Gingrich would lose by a larger margin.

    Assuming that the “brokered convention” thing is a pipedream — and that seems a safe assumption — conservatives probably need to ask themselves whether they’d rather lose by a larger margin (and, thus, adversely affect down-ballot races) with somebody running as an unapologetic conservative…or lose by a smaller margin with somebody tacking to the center.

    I should say: I agree with those who say that Newt’s record isn’t remarkably more conservative than Romney’s. Santorum is easily the most consistent three-facet conservative still in the race. But Newt is obviously running to Mitt’s right.

    I’m not a huge fan of either Romney or Gingrich, but I tend to think that losing with Romney is the better route. It gives the conservative movement more ammo for 2016 — and probably leads to a better result for Republicans in the Congressional races.

    • courdeleon02

      By the time this ends we will be out of money and the public will be disgusted with al lthe negative ads and infighting. I’m disgusted with this Gingrich character. He is a smear artist, a liar and anything bad I can think of.

    • znjs

      In general I’m of the camp that Romney has a better chance to beat Obama then Newt so I’d prefer him to win the nomination. But if I was convinced we were going to lose anyhow (and I am at times dangerously close to coming to that conclusion) I’d prefer to go down with Newt then Romney. While I’m not convinced at all he means it or would govern that way if actually elected president, I think Newt would fight Obama at every turn and we’d at least see someone fighting for conservative ideas. I think Romney will shy away from that not only because of Romneycare, but mostly because he’ll be attacked as just helping the 1%. If we’re going to lose anyhow I’d at least go down fight for our ideals and provide a clear contrast that would get people to move our direction. I think Romney would convince people that both parties are essentially the same and there’s no reason to be Republican anymore.

      • jakeofalltrades

        I am of the same mind.

      • acat

        I’m of the opinion that Romney is not a fighter – in the “boldly standing in the marketplace of ideas” sort of way.

        Clearly, Romney can fight – but he does so by proxies and by trickiness, not taking any bulls head-on.

        While this may be a successful approach to business, it is not exactly the sort of inspirational leadership that we’re going to need to not only win the White House, but to do so with enough coattails to make a difference, so that the various numeric gangs in the Senate can’t hamstring conservatives….

        I will vote for Romney, should he win the nomination, but I am convinced we would be better off with Gingrich because he will take the fight to Obama, while Romney seems prepared to float along, McCain-like, relying on his proxies to provide the sharp end.

        Mew

      • LibertarianHawk

        Because I’m in the camp that neither one of them would win, I’d rather Romney lose than Gingrich.

        First, let me repeat that I don’t think there’s all that much genuine ideological difference between the two. On healthcare, for instance, the biggest difference is that Newt has disowned his past support for an individual mandate…while Romney has not.

        But, still, Newt is running to the right of Romney. As such, rightly or wrongly Gingrich (along with Santorum and Paul) represent a split of the dissident sect, Romney represents the Republican establishment.

        The moderate Republican establishment got their candidate in 2008. He lost. If they get their candidate again this time and lose again, it weakens their hand and gives strength to the dissident movement.

        If, however, the dissidents get one of their candidates and that candidate loses, the opposite occurs.

        I understand what you’re saying — if we’re going to go down, at least we go down swinging. But there are important strategic reasons why it’s preferable to lose with yet another establishment favorite than to lose with a protest candidate.

        • znjs

          And I have considered it before. You might be right – if we’re going to lose anyhow it might be preferable to lose with the Establishment candidate just to weaken the establishment in general. But I’m not convinced they would learn from this lesson – I see them as being more likely to blame the base for not getting behind Romney soon enough and pushing a bomb-thrower like Newt, who they would say was the reason Romney couldn’t win.

          That said maybe even if the establishment went that route more people would be inclined to ignore them. It’s a guessing game either way.

  • Spartan4Life

    Gingrich had his chance to stop Romney in Florida and failed miserably. He will lose tomorrow by double digits if not get landslided. How he is going to spin that into a rationale for continuing is beyond me.

    I have been through Daniels, Perry, and Gingrich and I am wore out. The bottom line is that there was no good Tea Party candidate in this race. We are stuck with Romney for better or worse. I will support him and pray that he surprises me.

  • Spartan4Life

    Gingrich had his chance to stop Romney in Florida and failed miserably. He will lose tomorrow by double digits if not get landslided. How he is going to spin that into a rationale for continuing is beyond me.

    I have been through Daniels, Perry, and Gingrich and I am wore out. The bottom line is that there was no good Tea Party candidate in this race. We are stuck with Romney for better or worse. I will support him and pray that he surprises me.

    • LibertarianHawk

      I personally threw in this towel some time back. While I’ve desperately been looking for a good Romney alternative (my personal favorite was Mitch Daniels, and am still bummed he didn’t run), none ever emerged.

      Looking back, I wish that Pawlenty hadn’t gotten out of the race so early. He might have turned out to be the most palatable alternative had he stayed in.

      It’s not merely that Gingrich blew it in Florida. He wouldn’t be a good nominee for a variety of reasons. Admitting that is not tantamount to admitting that Romney *is* a good candidate.

      But he’s, alas, the best option we have.

      Take heart though: no major party establishment has had this kind of challenge put to it by dissidents within their party base in my lifetime….to the point where candidates who would usually be disregarded as marginal (Bachmann, Cain, Santorum, Gingrich) all got bona fide moments in the sun.

      We have nothing to be ashamed of. Elections may be a winner-take-all proposition. Politics writ large, though, is not. That’s why Ron Paul is probably gaining some genuine influence within the GOP by turning in the numbers he is, even without actually winning any primaries.

      • In The Hook

        The final stage. I think I got there at the same time you did Hawk, though I have to say that I am glad Gingrich made Romney sweat. Makes him a stronger candidate and strengthens his jaw a little bit.

        None of the candidates we’ve run have ever been panacea’s like Obama was to the left. And frankly, that was an extremely rare situation that likely is not going to repeat itself for a very, very long time. Or maybe sooner than we think. Who knows? But Obama is the left’s Reagan and he had an even more inviting environment than the Gipper did in ’80.

        The bad news is that Romney is not the best we could have done. The good news? Obama is in a very vulnerable place. Just look at the electoral college map right now. There’s a very good chance this race will come down to winning two of three swing states: OH, NC and MI. I think FL, VA and NV go our side. So does NH. Flip IN back which is a given and you’re down to winning two of three, even conceding places like PA, CO and IA. It’s doable. It’s plenty doable.

        A final thought as well. If the economy comes roaring back we’d lose no matter what. Period. If it stays the way it is, it’s gonna be close, no matter what. If it slips back, we win no matter what.

    • Juggernaut

      tied to Romney plus he profited from scamming military family pensions. 3rd state, we’ve got a long way to go. A union is going after Romney with a million dollar ad buy.

      He’s a Vulture! Rick Perry nailed him.

      http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/gingrich-romney-insideradvantage-poll/2012/01/29/id/425901

      http://www.westernjournalism.com/understanding-mitt-romney-role-in-damon-corps-medicare-fraud/?utm_source=Western+Journalism&utm_campaign=7c723d350e-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/01/21/romney-supervised-medical-testing-company-guilty-of-massive-medicare-fraud/

      • Spartan4Life

        This is starting to remind me of those that kept telling me there was a Perry resurgence coming any day now.

        I was supporting Newt but the fact is he is getting his butt kicked.

        • Juggernaut

          555

      • courdeleon02

        This was a push poll. Newsmax is supporting Newt.

      • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

        you are hoping Newt is surging … NOT because Newt is doing any good, but because the scorched earth negative 30 second attack ads are hurting Romney’s image.

        The medicare ‘scam’ angle is a guilt-by-association attack. But whether it works or not is not helpful to defeating Obama, is it? And it wont clear up Newt’s warts to add more to Romney.

        Pyrric Victory – look it up.

        • Spartan4Life

          As soon as his entire campaign became an effort to put a stake in Romney instead of talking about ideas this thing has spun down out of control. He started throwing rocks from inside his glass palace. Never a good idea.

          • WillWong

            to get beat!

            If Newt had not responded….Romney would already be the nominee and we won’t be having this discussion! If Newt had responded earlier, he would have finished stronger in Iowa and we may not have the situation where Santorum continues to split the conservative vote.

        • WillWong

          But you could use some of that in your posts…..

          Who started the scorched earth tactics? Who spend $millions of unanswered negative and patently false ads in Iowa against Newt Gingrich?

          Who used, and still uses the ethic charges (since proven false!) against the speaker?

          Who used part of a speech by the Speaker on March 21, 1986 out of context to cast misleading info that the Speaker was anti-Reagan?

          Guilt by association? If Romney as the man on the helm and sitting on the board of director of Damon Corp from 1989 to 1993 failed to notice the largest Medicare Fraud in Massachusetts history….how can you trust him with the POTUS? At a minimum, Romney is guilty of negligence!

          So I appreciate your shilling for your candidate but please show some integrity!

        • Juggernaut

          so you whiners whine that the opposition would do the same. What else offends you besides the fact that you support a pathetic moderate.

          Medicare scam is a crime against taxpayers, keep on making excuses, that’s what the Obama supporters did in 2008. Romney has far more baggage and that onion is going to be peeled. You followers are all alike, fear what the media say is true and fearing Obama, you should fear.

  • paco12348

    The Democrats believe the people are so stupid they have to take care of them from the cradle to the grave. Now, I finally realize the Republicans think the people are to stupid to select their own candidate. With the Republican Establishment selecting Romney for us, I absolutely refuse to vote for him. At least I can still control my actual vote. There’s no difference between both Parties in control of our destiny. Each wants power and neither care two whits about what the American people want.

    • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

      Fact is that GOP nominee is being picked by GOP primary voters.

      Fact is that we had 20+ debates to see the candidates in action. And basd on the pandering and appeals to what voters want, it is absurd to say the candidate dont care two whits about what the American people want.

      Nobody is forcing voters to do anything.

      But I think next time, we conservatives are going to have to do a better job at not chasing not-ready-for-Presidential-level candidates like Cain and Bachmann and focus on the real candidate pros-and-cons.

      • Juggernaut

        fail to see th. Fact is e lack of vetting. There are media trolls who continuously have touted Romney as the chosen one long before all candidates had joined the race. People are being manipulated with simpleton talking points while few facts about Romney are revealed. And when they appear, you make excuses for them. Obama got a free pass the same way. Its long from over and as time wears on the others shall expose Romney. Win or lose FL, he’s a born loser in politics.and the media are on Obama’s side.

  • blark

    Eric continues to grasp at straws –anything, anyone, any issue to take down Romney. There is something personal and deep here that goes way beyond any issues to the man that Eric, for some reason, depsises.

    Healthcare, coverage and cost, is a majore issue from most Americans. Democrats and Republicans alike have talked about the problems for decades with no real solutions. Most Americans rejected Hillary Care, and have come to reject Obama Care, but that does not mean that they issue has gone away, and does not need some attention. Romney Care is not perfect, but ony the irrational, nutty, extrremists seem to be able to equate it (in principle, scope, cost, etc…) to Obama Care. In this article, you describe the issue of the cost to the insured, of the growing number of uninsured and under insured, as a real part of health insurance costs for all that are spiraling out of control, but you, and the many like you, have no answer for that. I understand that you do not like any kind of mandate (even though mandates are a routine part of our lives –anyone who drives a care is mandated to have auto insurance, and many other things, etc..), so what is your answer to this question? I think giving states the right to handle this in their own way, including mandates if they decide that, and step back and see what works and what does not is actually a very good approach to eventually resolving this matter. Are the anti-madate people saying that the President of the United States should not allow states to pursue solutions that have mandates? Or is it just another “mad as hell” hook to hand their extreme cloak on?

    That Romney recognized a real issue in his state, worked with those not of his party to resolve the issue (even though he did not get all he wanted in the process), and understands more than most the issues driving health care costs in our country is a very good thing –especially in the general election.

    In our desire to “get it right”, we tend to over correct on one side, and then over correct to the other side –like a teenager behind the wheel for the first time. Regarding Healthcare, Obama represents an overcorrection to the left. Gingrich and other Tea Party extremists represent an overcorrection to the right. Romney represents a reasonable correction to the center.

    • LibertarianHawk

      I do think Romney is, all things considered, the best choice.

      But this talk about “overcorrecting” is nonsense. The very best thing we could do for healthcare is overcorrect what’s been done to that industry by government over the past 5 decades or so.

      I really like what Santorum’s been saying about Health Savings Accounts. If we want to get our hands around healthcare costs without resorting to top-down rationing — which, let’s face it, that’s the direction that Obamneycare will/would take us — then something resembling HSAs is the way to do that.

      We need to put the consumer in his proper role. That’s the secret to how prices are kept in check, balanced against availability, quality, etc. We need to get all the incentives where they’re supposed to be.

      Romneycare most certainly did not do that. And we shouldn’t talk as if it did.

  • courdeleon02

    Now he is vowing to carry on the fight to the convention. Such a strategy can only aid the reelection of Obama. While Republicans fight it out down to the wire,funds will be exhausted, negative ads will repel voters. This only shows what a selfish self absorbed , arrogant fraud that Gingrich is. The White House is rejoicing with their billion dollar warchest.Newt needs to throw in the towel after Florida. There is no sense to carry on this campaign. Its time to unite around Romney. It would not even surprise me to see Gingrich go third party along with all the extremists who worship his nasty character.

    • jgge

      ….

      • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

        If this is a campaign of taking billionaire money and running dirty ads that destroy the GOP candidates’ image, we will be stuck to unelectable candidates and a second Obama term.

        • Juggernaut

          money and wallstreet money. Quite laughable to think Romney isn’t dirty and then some.

      • hobiecat

        How after resisting the establishment’s attempts to force an unpopular candidate on us, how easy we agree to shut up and eat our veggies. Yeah we hate the establishment but surrender at the first sight of blood. LOL.

        • LibertarianHawk

          But, alas, the best “non-Romneys” out there who would’ve been better choices to run to his right — the list could include Ryan, Rubio, Daniels, Pawlenty, McDonnell, and some others — didn’t show up.

          So, instead, our alternatives were limited to fatally-flawed candidates like Gingrich, Cain, Santorum, Perry, etal.

          This isn’t surrendering to the establishment, it’s surrendering to the reality that the alternatives to Romney would deliver various levels of disaster.

          I have no love for him whatsoever. And I could go on for days about my problems with him. But it does seem obvious that he’s the least bad choice for Republicans — and, thus, conservatives.

          Coulter’s right on this.

    • Juggernaut

      know it. Don’t be afraid of a fight because Aholes like Romney cost us 2008 too. Huckaby, Thompson and so on were better choices that milque toast Romney.

      I love how you people ignore crimes against taxpayers while thinking Gingrich is worse than Romney considering one has ripped off taxpayers with several crimes including changing laws so Bain could use loopholes to siphon taxpayer funds.

  • lizzie

    problem with PPACA aka Obamacare?

    The individual mandate is what the states could use to file immediate court challenge. And, maybe SCOTUS will solve that problem in June (which may be what Romney is counting on).

    But, the real problem is the PPACA expansion of eligibility and benefits for Medicaid. As small employers drop health insurance because it is cheaper under PPACA to pay the fine, ever more people will be eligible for Medicaid under the expanded eligibility. Look at the New York Medicaid model, where one in four residents are already on Medicaid. And, PPACA already made it IMPOSSIBLE for New York to change their current eleigibility and benefits standards before 2014.

    btw, in Massachusetts, Gov Patrick is pushing thru new taxes to pay for the Legal immigrant medical insurance exchange. I am not clear about expanding Medicaid, but I do know evertyone I meet with employer-paid health insurance now complains about the increase in their share of monthly premiums combined with much higher dductibles.

    as to Romney’s electability? The list of negatives is endless, starting with Bain.

    I just came from some posts at The New Republic. One by Galston and one by Walter Shapiro.

    All I can say here is that Galston said Romney v Gingrich is like Grant’s wearing down of Robert E Lee. I disagreed. I think Romney is George McLellan, the too cautious, too-arrogant general. Not even George Meade who managed to win Gettysburg. Certainly not Grant. And Newt is not Lee.

    I continue to think the better Civil War analogy is Tennesee before the siege of Vicksburg. Newt will take this to the convention because even Newt knows that Ron Paul is like Nathan Bedford Forrest whose intention IS a brokered convention from which the GOP nominee Rand Paul will emerge.

    oh, and no way Obama is going to have one billion dollars. But, Obama WILL beat Romney. Gingrich, if his health survives the campaign, can beat Obama. Do not go by polls or this Florida primary.

    puhleeze, will someone in the GOP finally zero in on the Medicaid expansion that is the real stealth issue with PPACA?????????

    Ok, Gov. Rick Perry, please come forward in February with how Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion in 2014 will impact Texas. Should have had that one in your holster in August!

    • Repair_Man_Jack

      He’s not analogous to Nathan Bedford Forrest. NBF founded the KKK, Ron Paul just had their backs editorially for a while.

      • kegan05

        Nathan Bedford Forrest did not found the KKK, he was an early leader of the group.

        The KKK was created by the Democrat Party in 1866 to keep the freed slaves in control after the Civil War.

        This is why it is so hypocritical of the DemocRats to constantly refer to Republicans as “KKK.” They are either ignorant or projecting.

    • Repair_Man_Jack

      He’s not analogous to Nathan Bedford Forrest. NBF founded the KKK, Ron Paul just had their backs editorially for a while.

    • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

      5 Star Comment. Please make this a Diary. THIS POINT ABOUT PPACA IS VITAL!

      “puhleeze, will someone in the GOP finally zero in on the Medicaid expansion that is the real stealth issue with PPACA?????????”

      Destroying Obamacare root and branch is what needs to happen, and we have the same-old BS surface level ‘promises’ that mean zippo once the devil gets put into the details. Will Romney repeal the mandate AND the higher medicaid eligiliby AND the taxes AND the regs on pre-existing conditions AND the exchanges etc. etc.?

      That is the fear. We need a full-bore “We will

      As for the “Ron Paul is like Nathan Bedford Forrest” line, it made me laugh, many unintentional analgoies with the guy who started the KKK.

      I think its more like this: Romney is Robert E Lee and the ‘not Romney’ is those unfortunate Union General that Lincoln kept putting up against him.
      Palwenty was McLellan – too timid.
      Cain as Burnside.
      Perry as Hooker.
      Newt is … Custer?!?!

      Alas, we dont have a conservative “Grant”.

  • lizzie

    problem with PPACA aka Obamacare?

    The individual mandate is what the states could use to file immediate court challenge. And, maybe SCOTUS will solve that problem in June (which may be what Romney is counting on).

    But, the real problem is the PPACA expansion of eligibility and benefits for Medicaid. As small employers drop health insurance because it is cheaper under PPACA to pay the fine, ever more people will be eligible for Medicaid under the expanded eligibility. Look at the New York Medicaid model, where one in four residents are already on Medicaid. And, PPACA already made it IMPOSSIBLE for New York to change their current eleigibility and benefits standards before 2014.

    btw, in Massachusetts, Gov Patrick is pushing thru new taxes to pay for the Legal immigrant medical insurance exchange. I am not clear about expanding Medicaid, but I do know evertyone I meet with employer-paid health insurance now complains about the increase in their share of monthly premiums combined with much higher dductibles.

    as to Romney’s electability? The list of negatives is endless, starting with Bain.

    I just came from some posts at The New Republic. One by Galston and one by Walter Shapiro.

    All I can say here is that Galston said Romney v Gingrich is like Grant’s wearing down of Robert E Lee. I disagreed. I think Romney is George McLellan, the too cautious, too-arrogant general. Not even George Meade who managed to win Gettysburg. Certainly not Grant. And Newt is not Lee.

    I continue to think the better Civil War analogy is Tennesee before the siege of Vicksburg. Newt will take this to the convention because even Newt knows that Ron Paul is like Nathan Bedford Forrest whose intention IS a brokered convention from which the GOP nominee Rand Paul will emerge.

    oh, and no way Obama is going to have one billion dollars. But, Obama WILL beat Romney. Gingrich, if his health survives the campaign, can beat Obama. Do not go by polls or this Florida primary.

    puhleeze, will someone in the GOP finally zero in on the Medicaid expansion that is the real stealth issue with PPACA?????????

    Ok, Gov. Rick Perry, please come forward in February with how Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion in 2014 will impact Texas. Should have had that one in your holster in August!

  • lizzie

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view/20220127smoke_gets_in_mitts_guise/

    Michael Graham writes in the Boston Herald:
    ??Personally I can?t think of a better way to be perceived as an entitled elitist than to have your supporters announce that, unless you win, the voting shouldn?t count. And it?s not just Romney?s team ?

    The GOP establishment of Bush, DeLay and McCain gave us massive spending increases, huge debts and poorly-executed wars. They also gave us candidates who lost the popular vote in every election since 1992.

    After the electoral fiascoes of ?06 and ?08, it wasn?t the Washington GOP that turned things around. It was the conservative base and the Tea Party. They helped elect Sen. Scott Brown here and handed the House back to the GOP.

    And now party bosses wonder why the base refuses to take our ?Mitt medicine? and do as we?re told. Maybe it?s because we?re tired of losing.

    That?s the real message Republican voters are trying to send. No more losing politely with some moderate squishy candidate who cares more about what East Coast elites think of him than conservative voters do.

    You really want to stop Newt? It?s simple. Dump Mitt. ??

  • dalehogue

    After reading a number of these posts I became depressed and unhappy with what was being posted in many of them. I’ve become disenchanted with those posters who write that their views represent the real view of the Republican Party simply because they consider that view as the conservative view. It upsets them — according to their own written words — that the non-conservative Republicans in the Party don’t agree with them.

    I’m moderately conservative or conservatively moderate — I haven’t madeup my mind yet — about whom I wish to support in the GOP presidential primaries. It is my opinion that our nominee must be tough and honest [or honestly tough] when it comes to campaigning against Obama. It wouldn’t do us any good to nominated someone who doesn’t have the stomach for the job.

    McCain wasn’t tough enough to sling the spears and arrows at Obama – I suppose he didn’t want to step on the toes of those members of the Black American population who wanted to vote for “one of their own”, which might have been commendable if it hadn’t been so disengeniously chicken hearted.

    There is a big difference between fighting hard to win the election and wanting to be totally non-partisan while attempting to destroy the opposition. McCain couldn’t handle the job because he wanted to be liked by members of the opposition, so he too often held back on what should have been said about the make believe character that the Democratic Party nominated.

    I don’t really know how tough our nominee must be, but he has to be tougher than their nominee. Richard Nixon would have understood what should be done in this election period because he was tough. Ronald Reagan would’ve known what to say and what to do, simply because he was both tough AND honest.

    We know what type of nominee we need, we need to determine who fits our game uniform and who can fight the hardest in the trenches when the going gets tough. It’s not an easy job making the right choice. We Republicans don’t have to make it any harder that it already is by destroying our candidate before he gets to the starting gate. Any one of the four left in the race for the nomination can do the job if we don’t kill his chances before the starting bell has rung.

  • evenyn123456

    Although cleaverly done, this site seems to be run by a Newt Gingrich supporter if you listen to the tenor of the editorials.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      Ward isn’t a contributor here, no.

      • Repair_Man_Jack

        NT.

        • Tbone

          So there may be a connection.

          As a side note, to add to my aura of intriguing mystery, Jerry Mathers and I were friends in college. How’s that for a name dropping, resume builder? ;-)

  • johninohio

    lies in what Ron Paul, according to Eric, really means–”screw them”.

    The only exception should be the unemployed, including, of course, children. Working adults have no excuse. A few horror stories in the news about people who threw the dice with their health and lost will make getting insurance one of those common sense things people do without question.

    Why is this better than a mandate? Because it is reality that is forcing the issue, and the system would be administered by insurance companies operating in a competitive environment–not a bunch of unaccountable bureaucrats in Washington operating as a monopoly.

  • WillWong

    Pundits on the MSM including Rush and Giuliani lambasted Newt as using the attack line of the LEFT in attacking Romney’s association with Bain Capital (I still insist that it is Fair game to examine his job creation record while at Bain).

    What about Romney using Tom Brokaw’s speech on Newt’s ethics violation? That is as LEFT as can be? Nothing was mentioned that all the charges were cleared and that the $300,000 was a reimbursement for the cost of the investigation. Where is the MSM and the GOP establishment’s outrage?

    Thankfully, Rush was able to show some sense of fair play!
    ————————————————————————————————–

    Rush slams Romney’s Brokaw ad: It is false!!!!!!

    • johninohio

      the idea of using the “job creation” litmus test on Romney or any other capitalist/business person in order to judge their usefulness to society is a leftist trap.

      Business doesn’t exist to create jobs. Business isn’t a social welfare program. It exists to make a profit for those who own it or have invested in it. Job creation is a byproduct of business creation and business growth. Reducing labor costs (i.e. laying off employees) and increasing efficiencies to compensate increases profits. So if Romney’s net result is increased profits and lower employment, he has done all that is required of him, and has committed no crime or sin in doing so.

      Government can’t create jobs–that is, real cost effective wealth creating jobs. They can increase jobs only by reducing impediments to business creation and business growth. When this happens, people like Romney can’t help but create jobs.

      • LibertarianHawk

        It’s a bit of a cliche: but some businesses are capital intensive. Others are labor intensive.

        Either kind can be plenty profitable. The capitalist who profits from a labor-intensive business creates more jobs (at least directly) than the capitalist who profits from a capital-intensive business.

        But neither is necessarily more or less moral than the other.

        So, yeah, you’re right: talking about businesses this way is definitely using a left-wing frame…because it suggests that businesses exist to create jobs rather than to create returns. And that’s a pernicious, if seductive, notion.

      • WillWong

        one of the cornerstone of his campaign….questioning that cornerstone is off the table? Are we supposed to swallow everything our candidates tell us and wait for that October surprise the LEFT will throw at us?

        I get what you are saying but in order to strengthen our field, we must get beyond this “off the table crap”!

        • johninohio

          by all means, lets hear about it. But to denegrate him because he layed people off or was instramental in people getting layed off is unfair, as well as self destructive if you seek to defend capitalism at all.

          • snowshooze

            After a bit of pension skimming.

          • johninohio

            What’s your definition of pension skimming, is it illegal or immoral, and where is your evidence that Romney did it?

          • WillWong

            For a massive medicare fraud committed under Romney’s helmship. Nobody was put in jail but the fine spoke for itself that a civil crime was committed by Damon during the time Romney sat on the board. In fact, the company was sold at about the same time charges were file by the US Attorney Office in August 1993.

            At the very least, your super business whizzkid who is supposed to turn USA Inc around should be considered negligent in allowing such a massive fraud under his watch.

          • WillWong

            When Bain Capital bought a controling stake in Damon Corp in 1989 and put Romney on the board, they in effect made Romney the head honcho at Damon.

            So while the Medicare Fraud was on going in Damon, Romney was the guy at the helm. It is not acceptable to claim ignorance at first. But let’s say we accept his explanation that he was not aware of the fraud. How do you explain that when he was questioned by his Dem opponent for the Mass Governor election that he was slack and negligent, Romney changed his tune that he was aware and ordered company lawyers to fix the mess. Of course, Mass State attorneys confirmed that Romney did nothing to report or stop the fraud.

            So here is the fact of the matter:-

            Romney as head honcho did not abide by the traditional “the buck stops here” rule!
            Romney flip flopped yet again!
            Romney actually lied about ordering company lawyers to investigate.

            Bottom line….can you trust the Office of the POTUS to Romney? My answer is an emphatic NO!

  • formotioncreative

    but don’t tell anyone. We could never talk about it. It wouldn’t be nice. Let’s just wait to see what the left does with this one. But our fellow Republicans have no problem mocking Gingrich for proposing a, mostly privately financed, space exploration program.
    Do you remember the first time you researched Liberation Theology?

  • kegan05

    I believe Mitt Romney will win Florida handily and go on from there to victory. Romney was not my first choice but now he is the ONLY choice, IMO. Newt Gingrich lacks the stability, moral authority and discipline to govern this great country. He is a loose cannon whose mouth is always in action before his brain is engaged and it has caused him nothing but problems. He is dishonest and a consummate liar as well. No thank you.

    Mitt Romney – 2012 Because Character Counts!

    • creinstein

      Romney is the invetible Establishment candidate

      Tho first time trying to use cross out, hope it works :o

    • WillWong

      Romney supporter calling Newt a consumate liar….case of the kettle calling the pot black!

      He is still lying about Newt’s ethics violation….

      He is still lying about Newt’s great relationship with Reagan….

      He lied about Damon Corporation and the largest Medicare Fraud in Massachusetts history…

  • bluerose75

    Liar….Kegan….maybe you need to look up the definition. Use Webster’s or Google It…I think you will see Mitt’s picture there nicely. His ads have told so many lies and half truths even the Washington Post gives him 4 pinnochio noses for the lies he has told about Newt. But that is okay to you…

    Newt lacks stability and moral authority…what a crock. Would stability be switching your positions whenever you need to court votes? Is stability being a liberal all your life and then 5 years ago magically becoming conservative with nothing conservative in your record? He found conservatism…Like “He found Jesus’ type of a deal? Yeah right. He is stable! a bastion of consistency, a rock in a changing world…LOL!! what a joke!

    Mitt is a liar to the hightest degree and he will say and do anything to win. Newt can be a loose cannon I agree at times but Mitt is a nuclear device when it comes to flip flopping. And sorry that also goes to his “moral character.”

    • WillWong

      Thanks for standing up to LIARS!!!!!! God Bless You!

  • WillWong

    This just in….

    Mitt Romney and his Super PAC wons hands down on the number of negative ads in the most negative campaign in Florida’s history!

    Yes, Mitt Romney, the man whose character counts….

    Romney Runs Most Negative Campaign in Record Year for Florida

    Read more on Newsmax.com: Romney Runs Most Negative Campaign in Record Year for Florida
    Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama’s Re-Election? Vote Here Now!

  • WillWong

    Data compiled by CMAG reveals that a total of 11,586 television spots were aired between Jan. 23-29 in Florida.

    Of those, all but 953 of the 11,586 television ads that aired were deemed negative. The total of 10,633 negative spots translates into 92 percent of all ads airing in Florida during the week.

    A whopping 99 percent of the 3,276 ads paid for by the Romney campaign were deemed negative, while 100 percent of the 4,969 spots sponsored by the pro-Romney Restore Our Future PAC were considered negative.

    In contrast, Gingrich and the pro-Gingrich PAC ? Winning Our Future ? ran fewer overall ads and more positive spots overall as a percentage of total ads.

    Only 53 percent of the 1,893 spots aired by Winning our Future were considered negative, while some 95 percent of the 1,012 spots from the Gingrich campaign were deemed negative.

    Some 68 percent of the negative ads were directed at Gingrich as compared to only 23 percent aimed at Romney, according to the CMAG data reported by CNN.

    Less than 0.1 percent of the total ads were considered pro Romney, while 9 percent of the total ads were deemed pro Gingrich ? reflecting a higher overall percentage of positive ads by the Gingrich campaign and the pro-Gingrich PAC.

    http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Florida-Republican-primary-results/2012/01/31/id/426195

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