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How to become O.K. with a President Romney.


I have solidly landed in the camp where I believe that Mitt Romney will become the Republican Presidential Nominee in 2012. I’ve already expressed my reservations about his candidacy, primarily my concern over whether or not he can sway independents with his history of socialized medicine & tax increases which so closely mirrors the president’s.

But, alas, Rick Perry didn’t get it together in time so now I have to look to the future and stop being bitter about the past. I’m not someone that believes in capitulation or tossing in the towel before the battle is lost just because it looks like we’re going to lose. But I no longer believe it simply looks like Romney will be the candidate, I believe that he essentially already is.

In 2008 I was tasked with becoming o.k. with a John McCain nominee. What I resigned myself to was that a Republican President vs. a Democrat Congress (which was pretty much agreed we would have after the election) would create a stalemate on a lot of issues, something that I might’ve thoroughly enjoyed.

But, and I say this with all sincerity, it’s much easier to become o.k. with Mitt Romney than it was with John McCain, and my reasons are probably not going to be that popular in his campaign.

A look back at Romney’s past easily creates one particular image: liberal. He was governor of the liberal bastion of Massachusetts; he rose fees (known in most parts as taxes) on the people of his state; he instituted a form of socialized medicine with a state mandate that required citizens to buy health insurance or face penalties; he had close advisors that drove his policy decisions who have been instrumental in the Obama administration and are basically doling out the same advice. Without any other consideration, he seems pretty far left.

But there’s another quality of Mitt Romney’s that gets a lot of attention. Mitt Romney is the quintessential flip-flopper.

Yesterday I was in a discussion with fellow RedState contributor Neil Stevens and he pointed out something I believe to be absolutely accurate. Mitt Romney is either a blowing in the wind, flip flopping opportunist; or he’s a committed ideologue. The idea that he is both is silly and borders on mutually exclusive.


A look at the video above or any number of other videos on the internet reveals the same thing: Romney does what gets him popular and earns him votes.

There was another man that was known for this. His name was Bill Clinton. The left and even pop-culture has painted this view of President Clinton for years. He’s known as an expert politician capable of making all sides believe he agrees with them. Yes, he’s also known as a liar, a cheat, and a hot tempered misogynist, but in terms of his executive presence he’s remembered for being the kind of guy that would poll to find out what colored tie he should wear.

After spending the first couple of years pandering to his lefty base, he quickly discovered via the Republican House takeover of ’94 that he was better served going the other direction. Sure, he’d still put up some fights to appease his rabid base of liberals, and would always pretend like he was strong-armed into signing bills that were good for America, but the fact is that on this opportunist’s watch we instituted real welfare reform, a cut in the capital gains tax which increased revenue to the treasury, and the last balanced budget we’ve seen from government.

Were there tricks to achieve the “balanced budget?” Sure. Did he still push through plenty of things that we hate and miss important foreign policy indicators that might’ve prevented 9-11? Absolutely. But as a Democrat president, we couldn’t ask for a better example of what can happen when someone is beholden to popular will.

Of course the difference is Clinton was always held ultimately to a different base of voters since he was a Democrat. This isn’t the case with Romney and can be a distinct advantage in the quest to be o.k. with voting for him.

Mitt Romney pandered to Massachusetts voters when he was in Massachusetts. Mitt Romney pandered to the conservative base during the 2008 & 2012 primaries. Mitt Romney will pander to the center as a general election candidate.

The question is, who will he pander to as president? Well, that’s up to us. If we spend all of our time hating him, writing in other candidates names, and ultimately letting the “establishment” get him elected, he will not be as concerned about pandering to us going forward assuming he could even win without our support.

If instead, we pushed hard to get him elected, unseated Barack Obama and pushed in a Republican senate while keeping the House…well, let’s just say that based on his history, he’s going to do whatever he has to to make sure that come 2016 we’re going to think that he’s the second coming of Reagan.

Of course, this won’t be a cake walk. George W. Bush is a great example. In his first term I thought he was fantastic. He lowered taxes, decreased some regulations (while increasing others of course), took on the entire middle east and defied the most vitriolic Democrat party that had ever been encountered up to that point.

However, starting in his second term, he got comfortable. He didn’t have a reelection to reconsider, and the result was mismanagement of some of the war efforts, pandering to Democrats by allowing them to take down Alberto Gonzales, and most egregiously, TARP and the auto bail-outs. The circumstances which allowed all of this to take place are varied but it boils down to one thing: we didn’t hold him and the congress to account with enough ferocity and vigor.

Mitt Romney is going to be our nominee, of that I believe we can be certain. The only question now is, do we want a President that might do the right thing most of the time to pander to us? Or do we want a President that won’t pander to us at all?

Barack Obama is an ideologue. Mitt Romney is not. I’d vastly prefer to have a conservative ideologue in the White House but that’s just not in the cards. But if I have to choose between a political opportunist who has shown a desire to pander to my beliefs regardless of his own lack of views, vs a committed marxist ideological radical…I think the choice will be clear.

To put it another way, I’d rather have an etch-a-sketch with the probability that I can influence the drawings as opposed to a published book that I disagree with but am incapable of editing.

Our battle is for the Office of the President of the United States. Our war is for a return to founding principles and the success of conservatism. Circumstances have forced us to approach this battle differently. Yes, I would’ve preferred this battle to be fought alongside a principled conservative leader. But not having that is not enough for me to stop fighting. The battle must be won either way and if this is the army I have then this is the army I have. The key is to remember why we’re fighting and how we’re going to win the ultimate war, not to lose hope and give up because one battle hasn’t gone how we wanted. A real warrior figures out how to win anyway. I refuse to be a soldier that sacrifices the war because I don’t like my general. This is not our last battle and the war is far from over.

I think Ben Shapiro summed it up nicely in the video below where he is calling for the Tea Party to graduate to Minutemen.


In addition to all of Ben’s other excellent points, he references a quote from Milton Friedman, “It’s nice to elect the right people but that isn’t the way you solve things. The way you solve things is by making it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing.”

Mitt Romney is the wrong guy. But it’s up to us to make sure that this wrong guy does the right thing.

COMMENTS

  • renl57

    You can’t win the war for conservative ideas if the GOP can’t win elections. And that can happen if the GOP is perceived as incompetent, regardless of its ideology.

    The best thing that a President Romney could do for the GOP is not to advance an ideology, but to make life better and easier for American citizens. Remember Reagan’s famous test in his debate with Carter: “Are you [the average American citizen] better off now than 4 years ago?”

    Most Americans are pragmatic about the whole process. They care more about whether a President leaves the country in better shape at the end of his term than it was at the beginning. To them, ideology is only useful as a guide to how to improve things for the citizenry. That is not what ideological activists of either the Left or the Right like to hear, but it’s how American politics has traditionally run: On delivering measurable results.

    By 2008, the GOP brand was badly damaged by the wars dragging on in Afghanistan and in Iraq, and then by the financial collapse. You couldn’t sell conservatism to anybody at that point, when the party that is deemed most receptive to conservatism was presiding over such a mess.

    If President Romney, as the GOP’s standard bearer, is perceived as delivering results, that will earn a whole lot of political capital for other GOP initiatives. And the GOP will do well in the 2014 congressional elections, which will give them the votes in Congress to implement those initiatives.

    • tnguy

      If we, as Americans, are only going to look at the current situation and never look long-term, that isn’t pragmatic: it’s foolish to a degree that my limited vocabulary cannot describe.

      If the citizenry does not wake up and realize that we have untenable federal and state debts and unfunded liabilities, then this election could hardly be less important. If what you say is true about most American’s outlook, then America is on life support and will never recover.

      I don’t ascribe to the status quo: I think the republican presidential candidate should open and frank about the peril we face. Romney is obviously not one who will do that.

      The wars did damage the Bush admin, but he did as much damage with his domestic policy. His big government agenda was able to target the tatters of his remaining conservative support and eliminate it with laser-like efficiency. GWB’s 8 years in office made the 2008 election possible, and his domestic agenda as much if not more to blame than the wars.

    • BuckeyeTexan

      You mean the way he did for Massachusetts homeowners? No thanks. Romney’s jobs initiative in MA directly contributed to the 2008 financial crisis and the bad assets on Fannie’s & Freddie’s books.

      http://www.redstate.com/buckeyetexan/2012/03/23/romneys-ma-jobs-initiative-directly-contributed-to-the-2008-financial-crisis/

  • texastaxpayer

    Would like to compare and see if you did more than just replace references to Mccain with Romney and Thompson with Perry.

    So many people lining up to repeat history. Who will you blame this time I wonder? Paul, Johnson those stubborn conservatives who just wouldn’t get with the program and support the “proud of what I accomplished” god father of obamacare?

    Time to bunker down for four more years of the great and powerful O.

    • redcal

      Specifically, this quote:
      “If instead, we pushed hard to get him elected, unseated Barack Obama and pushed in a Republican senate while keeping the House?well, let?s just say that based on his history, he?s going to do whatever he has to to make sure that come 2016 we?re going to think that he?s the second coming of Reagan.”

      Wow.

      That is absolutely, positively, the opposite of his history. Romney doesn’t look back at who supported him — that’s the whole point! He said he’d be a great friend of gay rights groups, gun control groups, etc in Massachusetts, and let them all down. You’re ascribing a loyalty to him that is, indeed, his core problem with everyone (the GOP base, independents, the left, etc).

      Romney doesn’t look back. He looks forward. If he wins with the good-enough support of his base, he will absolutely not tack right on policy; he’ll do what Clinton did and protect the center flank, taking his own base for granted. That’s exactly what a data-driven technocrat would do, and we would only have ourselves to blame.

      But I’m firmly in the camp that believes that Romney is so untalented a politician, so unable to connect to any sizable voter bloc, that he will lose — paving the way for a more conservative GOP candidate in 2016. After two straight losses with ‘centrist’ nominees, I think the base will rise up, and I welcome it.

      • mikwcas

        exactly looking forward he saw he would no be able to win a second term as gov so he decided not to. then dropping out in 2008 the man personifies political expedience and pandering to a level that could only make BO proud.

      • greenpoint

        will we play ball with the Republican establishment and allow them to pick the nominee? Their record of electing their nominees in the general election is awful.

    • rednation

      We still lose either way. He’s not in any way a conservative.

      At all. Zilch.

      Folks who wanted (and were wrong, tragically) a person to win at any price who chose Romney over “electability” over principle and being reasonably to definitely conservative will experience buyers remorse on a scale they cannot imagine when Romney is beaten on class warfare or narrowly wins and selects 2 David Souter’s for the high court, likely since men on his team were responsible for that nomination, BTW.

      It’s not over.

      He’s not our destiny YET until it really dominoes at least.

      Do not give up. YET.

    • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

      At present, it’s simply not possible that the GOP nominee will be anybody other than Romney.

      • texastaxpayer

        Will he win? Will he inspire a base that hates him slightly less than Obama to man the ramparts and get out the vote, volunteer and donate? Can he win the debates with a record that is a mirror of his competitor? Can he overcome a hostile media that will play his flip flops and out right lies 24*7 all the while painting any attack he manages to land on Obama as hypocritical because he did, supported or advocated the same thing himself? Can he overcome a money and organizational deficit?

        I am betting NO…. STAKES??

        • redcal

          He’s been below 40% for the last few months as winning it all, while Obama has hovered around 60% (+/- 1%), with all the ups and downs of gas prices, Iran tensions, etc.

          I agree with you, texastaxpayer. If anyone really thinks Romney has a great shot, they should at least be buying his shares on Intrade until he gets to at least PARITY with Obama, at 50%. But they’re not. Everyone sees the same ending here.

    • Dave_A

      Just saying…

      • texastaxpayer

        Just sayin…

        • garfieldjl

          Until Romney gets the magic number, he hasn’t won.

          • clowngirl

            We’re 2 weeks past that and Romney is what? Halfway? Not even quite halfway?

            Not only that but he’s already had his easiest states – is heading into some less friendly territory and his campaign just made a MAJOR mistake.

            He still needs to win roughly a majority of the remaining delegates in order to secure the nomination. It’s not really so implausible that Romney will fail to do that.

            I realize the Romney camp would like to have it over so they can start moving to the center in preparation for the general, but I really don’t understand this ” I have serious concerns about Romney but I’m bowing to his inevitable victory” stuff.

            His victory is not inevitable.

            If Gingrich and Santorum can prevent Romney from winning a clear majority — somebody else really could become the nominee.

            Jumping to a totally stream of consciousness association: Remember near the end of Return of the Jedi when Luke had been taken in to the Emperor who was planning to turn him to the dark side and Darth Vader says ” It is pointless to resist, my son”

            Well, that’s what all this reminds me of. Vader advised capitulation because there was no obvious path to victory – and it’s the same now.

            But Darth Vader was wrong, the evil emperor was defeated in a way he couldn’t foresee.

            Romney can be beaten if enough of us continue to support and/or vote for his opponents.

            There is still time for more mistakes, the possibility of new debates — any number of things could happen.

          • lapert

            I don’t believe McCain had the pledged delegates to win until after IN and NC on May 6th – but you can’t compare the calenders since they were so frontloaded. if you compare the percent of delegates this many states into the race you will see Romney is on the same track as McCain.

            And I don’t see how you can MD, DC, CT, RI, DE, NY less friendly territory. And the most recent polling has him cruising in WI as well with only PA as a potential second place finish and it isn’t winner take all (the delegates are directly elected separately from the preference poll) whereas WI, MD, DC and DE all are.

          • clowngirl

            I’m aware there are different ways of calculating delegates — but he was generally considered to have clinched the required number on March 4th. That is how it was reported at the time. I don’t know where you are coming up with May 6th. Was that when all the unbound delegates officially committed to a candidate or something?

            You say ” If you compare the percent of delegates this many states into the race you will see Romney is on the same track as McCain”

            I don’t have time right now to check if that is true, but I will point out that if you are talking about “this many states into the race” being before Super Tuesday — then when we were “this many states into the race” there were still 4 candidates competing.

          • lapert

            You can see all the results here.

            Unless I am mistaken he had on 1017 through March 4th and passed 1141 on May 6th.

            Yes there were still four in the race until Romney dropped out, and there are still four competing today (the fourth guy happens to be the same nut).

            I think the broader point is you cannot compare 2008′s calendar to this year. The GOP decided they wanted a longer primary so they drew out the calendar – that they are now having buyer’s remorse about that is really their own fault. We have had 28 states award delegates (and the territories) whereas four years ago, 28 states had gone by Super Tuesday (when the last of the real competitors dropped out) – and by March 4th you already had 38 (when the last of the sane competitors dropped out).

          • clowngirl

            We’ve had more than 28 contests at this point. why are you not counting the territories? Romney won all 5 of those contests and appeared to have gained 59 delegates as a result.

            You seem to be crediting him with those delegates, but not counting those contests as part of the total number. Which significantly skews the data in favor of the argument you’re trying to make.

            According to RCP Romney currently has 565 delegates, if you subtract the 59 delegates he gained from the territories (since you aren’t counting them) Romney would have only 506. That’s *significantly* less than the 680 delegates McCain had after Super Tuesday in 2008. It’s 174 delegates less to be exact.

            That would give Romney more than 25% FEWER delegates after the same number of contests.

            So, your claim is simply incorrect. Romney is not winning delegates at approximately the same pace as McCain in 2008.

            I also disagree with your opinion that all “the real competitors” dropped out after Super Tuesday in 2008. Huckabee was a “real competitor” – especially in the South and he finished the 2008 primary with a lot more delegates than Romney.

            But even though the delegate count was much more lopsided towards McCain than the current one is for Romney — it still paints a misleadingly favorable picture of how Romney was doing – and understates how thoroughly McCain had taken command (in spite of the lack of enthusiasm and all his problems with the party)

            McCain won the first 3 contests he competed in. He didn’t compete in Iowa, Michigan or Nevada. McCain focused in on 3 hotly contested primary contests and went 3-0.

            Romney meanwhile went for the states that others weren’t bothering to compete for: I think he had Michigan pretty much to himself. and only Ron Paul also competed for Nevada.

            So while the count after Florida may have been McCain 3, Romney 2 — the game was not nearly so close as the score.

          • clowngirl

            After Florida it would’ve been McCain 3 states, Romney 3 states (I’d forgotten about Wyoming) but it would’ve been grossly inaccurate to say they were both doing about equally well.

          • lapert

            I didn’t add in the territories because it doesn’t change the argument. So instead you have 33 to date this time and 43 last time – same point, they aren’t comparable.

            You can’t compare delegate numbers between the two sessions any more than timelines – you need to look at percent of delegates awarded. The delegates McCain got from California alone on Super Tuesday account for the difference between the two – not to mention other larger states like NY and NJ that went then too. This is really basic analytical skills here – for the comparison to be accurate look at the percent of delegates won between the two.

            As for whether Huckabee was a real challenger and not a pretender angling for a TV gig – well why don’t you compare the committed delegates between him and Romney on the day Romney dropped out. Huckabee was never really a competitor for McCain, and Romney failed to make enough headway to make it competitive – sounds awfully familiar to today you just haven’t come to accept that yet. Romney has taken as much command of this race as McCain had in ’08 by March 4th.

          • clowngirl

            And the data from 08 just doesn’t say what you’d like it to say.

            But I do agree with you that every election cycle is different.

            In this cycle, for example, Romney has already competed in most of the states much likely to strongly favor him. (3 states where he’s lived or has a vacation home, 5 states with unusually large Mormon populations most of which hold caucuses)

            Even if “California accounts for the difference in delegates” Romney has had his share of easy wins to compensate for that advantage.

            Yes, McCain had more large states competing early — but you still haven’t explained — (in concise terms not by giving a link that gives raw data from all the primaries and caucuses so far) how you figure that McCain had not secured the nomination by March 4th (literally secured it, not just built a commanding lead) as was reported at the time and which Huckabee accepted.

            My suspicion is that you are calculating McCain’s delegates by looking strictly at his bound delegates as of March 4th and looking at Romney’s total with unbound delegates included. Which would be anything but apples to apples.

            As to your claim that “Romney has taken as much command of this race as McCain had in ’08 by March 4th” that’s simply ridiculous.

            As I understand it. McCain by March 4th had literally secured the nomination — even by your calculation (which you haven’t explained) he was only around 100 delegates away. He’d taken command in achieving (at least in Huckabee’s opinion) the required number of delegates to secure the nomination — not just by winning a certain percentage up to that poihnt.

            Romney is only halfway there. There’s no guarantee he’ll continue winning at the same pace. He (and you) shouldn’t take the remaining states for granted.

            If you haven’t noticed, Romney just got beaten by 22 points in Louisiana. I believe that is his the largest margin he’s lost by in a primary race this year. That suggests he may be in trouble and he may not continue accumulating delegates at the rate he is now.

            McCain wasn’t having similar problems after a similar number of contests in 08

          • acat

            The Unlikely Voter Electoral College map isn’t a perfect model, but it’s decent for our purposes….

            Oh, and your third paragraph is significantly flawed – Romney will do very well in NY and CA. It means nothing in the general election, but we’re talking about the primary, eh?

            Mew

          • clowngirl

            my point was that McCain was not just “on pace” to reach the nomination by March 4th 2008 — he’d clinched it.

            and my third paragraph stated that Romney has already competed in MOST of the states that strongly favor him. – not all. NY and CA alone won’t give him the nomination. And aren’t they proportional this year?

          • acat

            Your assertion is that Santorum can either win the nomination or can prevent Romney from doing so.

            That may have been possible with Gingrich as a second (third?) branch through Romney’s wheel … but bluntly, Santorum’s nanny-statist pro-union record, and his anti-libertarian screeds turn off more than they turn on.

            Not seeing it.

            Mew

          • clowngirl

            No time right now. :)

          • clowngirl

            “Your assertion is that Santorum can either win the nomination or can prevent Romney from doing so.

            That may have been possible with Gingrich as a second (third?) branch through Romney?s wheel ? but bluntly, Santorum?s nanny-statist pro-union record, and his anti-libertarian screeds turn off more than they turn on.”

            it’s not so much that I think Santorum can block Romney is that I think he and Newt together possibly could. (I also think Newt might be able to do so alone if Santorum dropped out but that doesn’t seem a realistic possibility)

            I think May could be a very good month for candidates not named Romney.

            The voting starts of with Indiana on May 8th and then proceeds to N. Carolina, W. VA, Nebraska, Oregon, Arkansas, Kentucky and Texas (if that’s updated)

            The ONLY state that looks good for Romney out of that is Oregon.

            How inevitable would Romney look if he got his butt soundly kicked throughout the month when he should be wrapping things up?

            What would the momentum look like then?

          • Common_Cents

            I’d be surprised if there is much of a non Romney surge going forward. What would the catalyst be? And that is coming from a Newt supporter.

          • acat

            unless Romney stumbles badly.

            Given the States clowngirl mentioned, I don’t see any where Romney has a huge advantage .. but given his delegate strategy and the non-winner-take-all nature of the contests, Romney doesn’t *need* much excitement. It’s actually more important that he not stumble… that’ll keep him gaining delegates….

            Gingrich, Santorum, and Ron Paul must give people a reason to change their minds…. but none of ‘em seem to know how to bring the heat.

            Mew

          • garfieldjl

            We’re waltzing into a trap here folks, Romney is probably the only candidate in this that Obama can easily beat.

            I think even Ron Paul would be a stronger candidate verses Obama than Romney is.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Meanwhile, the Republicans who actually want to beat Obama have work to do.

            Though we can point and laugh at you candibots with your petty infighting.

          • garfieldjl

            I have serious misgivings about Romney both on whether or not he is being honest with us, and on the fact I honestly believe that he is the one candidate that Obama could easily clobber.

            Now seriously, you are commenting because you didn’t understand why I’m posting what I am posting, and hopefully this post clears that up.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            We get it. You hate Mittens.

          • garfieldjl

            I don’t trust Mitt Romney to actually do what he’s campaigning on, I don’t trust him when he calls himself “severely conservative,” that doesn’t mean I hate the man, good grief.

            I hate what Obama is doing to this country, but I don’t hate him personally either.

            I’m opposed to Romney being the nominee because.
            1. I don’t believe he’s telling us the truth on his actual stances.
            2. I honestly believe he’s the only one in the race that Obama can easily beat.
            3. I seriously disapprove of the stunts he’s pulled in this race.

            So honestly, even if you don’t agree with what I’m saying at least have the courtesy to respect my viewpoints and myself, like I have the courtesy to respect your opinions when you’re not taking swipes at me.

          • acat

            Romney will make competing on several obvious issues (Romneycare, global warming, jobs) difficult, but I don’t expect a dirty tricks campaigner like Willard to try to compete on those…

            Romney’ll use his money and proxies to do the dirty attacks; he’ll sow fear, uncertainty, and doubt .. and keep running on his squeaky-clean eagle-scout image. You and I know that’s a load of manure, but does Joe Sixpack, who won’t start paying attention – not really – until September.

            While this isn’t an orthodox approach, it is one that can work .. and I don’t see how it would be less effective than Gingrich or Santorum going at Obama hammer and tongs (and getting attacked from the sides by Obama’s proxies) …

            Mew

          • garfieldjl

            Cause I sure don’t, in fact I expect all the dirty tricks to be thrown into the light by the media as soon as Romney becomes the nominee.

          • acat

            I’m sure the media plan to be just as in the tank* as they were in 2008 and 2010 …

            They’ve been so obvious about being in the tank*, though, that I’m both questioning how much Joe and Jane Sixpack still trust them on politics – especially pocketbook politics – and questioning just how far out of the loop Romney would have to be** to not know this and account for it.

            Mew

            * clearly a sensory deprivation tank, by the way…

            ** is he in his own sensory deprivation tank?

          • Common_Cents

            That’s why I was asking what kind of catalyst is there to reverse the Romentum. I still think Newt is the best choice , followed by Romney, and Santorum as able to beat Obama. Save some new debates that could re-launch Gingrich I don’t know what will reverse the capitulation. I think we really got suckered falling for the onslaught on Newt’s personal life. The powers that be really really didn’t want to face him. That will be telling.

            It does suck to conservatives that Romney is slowly getting their reluctant support based on attrition, capitulation, and nowhere else to go.

            Something would have to change to reverse Romentum. Either a candidate gets some sudden surge/spark or Romney really bombs on something.

          • acat

            …with the proverbial live boy or dead girl for Santorum to have a shot. (the moral outrage would work best for him)

            Romney would have to say something incredibly stupid on the economy *and* get caught with a live girl for Gingrich to get traction.

            Mew

          • lapert

            For Gingrich to restart his campaign he probably needs Romney to get caught with Santorum. – and it wouldn’t hurt if Paul was the one filming it but that is probably unnecessary.

          • clowngirl

            1. Could either of us predict exactly what the catalyst would be to bring about Newt’s first surge?

            I know I always thought it was possible and even probable and I certainly thought the debates would help but I didn’t predict exactly the sequence of events that would bring Newt to the top of the polls.

            He’d been gradually creeping up for a while but it wasn’t until Herman Cain became the temporary frontrunner and then came crashing down that Newt’s numbers really started to soar — and did they ever!

            I think we could see a little bit of a similar pattern repeating itself – where Newt gains gradual respect for his passion, commitment and vision and where Santorum somehow falls.

            2. Speaking of Santorum — I remember when I went to see him in Colorado and he was talking about using that round of caucuses to reset the race and totally change the dynamic. Somebody asked him his path to victory and he was very vague just talked about how the dynamic of the race had changed several times and it could change again.

            There wasn’t a clear, carefully outlined strategy, just a plan to campaign and try and win a beauty contest and some non-binding caucuses that nobody else was competing for and have that momentum change things for him.

            He was right. it worked.

            3. Louisiana was Romney’s biggest loss in a primary. There wasn’t any sign of growing capitulation there. And most of the states that vote in May seem similar to LA.

            4. I think there could be a tipping point for Romney, Santorum and Newt.

            A tipping point is when there has been gradual change until it reaches a certain point and then it suddenly changes exponentially (just on the off chance anyone didn’t know that)

            Romney could have 3 more gaffes and even though they were no worse than the ones he’s had already it could be the thing that costs him his reputation for verbal discipline and has enough people questioning whether he’s really the most electable candidate and costs him his main selling point.

            Newt might simultaneously start gaining a little support while Santorum might make a couple of costly mistakes and lose some.

            A lot of Newt’s diminished support right now is almost certainly due to him being so far behind Santorum in the polls. If it shifts to the point where Newt is within single digits Santorum could lose his mantle as the primary Romney challenger and Newt could get a lot of his old supporters back.

            I’m not saying I don’t see the difficulties. I do. I just still think Newt would be such a better candidate and a much better President than either of the other 2 that I’ll be for him for as long as he stays in the race (which I hope is until Tampa as he’s promised) and – with as many changes as we’ve seen in the race so far- I don’t think it’s impossible for him to somehow still win.

            As to Romney — IMO it is better for him to have to win over the base and earn the nomination than for everyone else to just capitulate and hand it to him.

          • lapert

            In looking for when he clinched I forgot about Romney’s delegates that went over to McCain after he suspended – so he did clinch on March 4th because Romney had recognized the lost cause after Super Tuesday.

            As for the rest. Following Super Tuesday, McCain had 697 of 1271 available delegates – or 56%.

            As of today, Romney has 565 (according to realclearpolitics) of 1028 allocated delegates – or 55%.. Virtually identical – the only difference is that in 2008 more delegates has been decided.

            Romney in 2008 had 286 delegates, or 23% of the total. Today Santorum has 256, or 25%. Again, nearly the same rate. Romney had the good sense to know it was over and stop wasting his time and money (while Huckabee who had even less wanted to continue his audition for Fox).

            As for the states ahead – you don’t think Romney has a favorable slate of upcoming primaries in MD, DC, NY, CT, RI, NJ and DE?

            Finally, yes McCain had similar ‘problems’ after a similar number of contests in ’08. The Kansas caucus immediately following Romney’s withdraw went to Hucakbee by 36% – an even bigger win than LA. But, as with LA, it meant nothing to the contests that followed it. Because Hucakbee wasn’t a real competitor – he had no realistic path to deprive McCain of the nomination.

          • clowngirl

            THAT was and is my point.

            McCain was not just prohibitively ahead at this point in 2008 – he’d actually clinched the nomination.

            That’s a completely different situation from what Romney has none.

            As to the remaining states- I’ve worked it out previously and calculated that there are enough states remaining (you mentioned just 7 states and left out the rest) that don’t particularly favor Romney or even strongly favor his opponents that he could conceivably fail to achieve the required delegates.

          • clowngirl

            not “none” that was a typo.

          • lapert

            Except the closer analogy to the point we are now, based on the delegates awarded, is Super Tuesday in 2008. Romney is in a similar position to McCain then – we won’t have seen as many delegates as went in 2008 by February 5th until May 8th.

            The GOP is getting the longer, later primary it asked for – but just because we are drawing out the process doesn’t mean we are really changing the dynamics. As Romney recognized after Super Tuesday last time, the path is nearly non-existent for the leader to be caught.

          • clowngirl

            McCain was not “on pace” to clinch, he HAD clinched.

            It was not over in the sense that there was no likely chance that anyone could catch up it was literally over because McCain had secured the delegates he needed.

            In other words, the issue with getting behind McCain came up when he was the definite nominee – not when the contest was still in doubt. It’s different with Romney — there’s still the possibility of denying him the nomination.

            The question at this point isn’t whether either of the other candidates can get to 1144 delegates themselves — Speaker Gingrich himself said that we’ll either have Romney secure the nomination or have an open convention — it’s whether they can prevent Romney from securing 1144 delegates before the convention. And there are plausible scenario’s where that could happen.

            I really don’t care whether Romney is winning delegates at the same pace as McCain did in 2008. Not even enough to check if that is an accurate claim.

            McCain was a candidate who inspired remarkably little enthusiasm with most of the base. And that’s a major understatement.

            But – among other differences – at least McCain was acceptable enough to his fellow candidates that they were ok with dropping out and endorsing him.

            Not so with Romney – at least not in the case of Santorum or Gingrich. Santorum has clearly taken a firm “Anybody but Romney stance” and Gingrich seems as committed to staying in as he ever has — and he’s having fun.

            Santorum and Gingrich would rather see a contested convention than get behind Romney. So would I — and who knows how many others.

            (I haven’t seen any recent polls on how many Republicans would prefer a contested convention to Romney – but would be curious to see.)

          • lapert

            First, I will point out that Romney dropped out in ’08 when the race was extremely similar to where we are today (relative to Santorum, Newt is far off of even Huckabee’s pace at that point) – as I pointed out above.

            So yes, Romney had the sense then to recognize his race was over even if not ‘officially’ clinched. But you seem to think that Santorum and Newt haven’t demonstrated that good sense is a negative comment on Romney – I disagree. I think it speak volumes about them. Newt is basically in Paul territory in terms of their irrelevance to the outcome but insistence on being viewed as important and Santorum, well I’m not sure what he is after. Huckabee stayed in not because he thought he would win or was on some special mission but because he was extending his audition for TV – I suppose Santorum could be taking the same angle. But if Santorum wanted to position himself for a run in 4 or 8 years (he is still young enough that he could easily do that) I would think he would be better off recognizing how Romney’s behavior last time fed into his campaign this time.

            Ah well, really doesn’t change the outcome, just curious decision making from my perspective.

            Oh, and anyone who thinks that in a contested convention where one nominee has a large plurality and is a few votes from a majority, that anyone other than that nominee wins is just fooling themselves. There is near zero chance the party, on TV, would thumb its nose at the plurality of its primary voters.

          • aesthete

            After getting hit by so many during his career, he finally had some success and is milking it for all it’s worth.

            When it comes right down to it, Santorum ain’t that bright.

          • acat

            Cheshire grin

          • clowngirl

            It’s conceivably possible, and not even that improbable that Gingrich and Santorum combined will get more votes than Romney.

            They could combine into one ticket representing the majority of the voters and arguing persuasively that the vast majority of the people who voted for them really didn’t want Romney as the nominee and it would be “thumbing their nose at primary voters” to choose him as nominee after the majority of Republicans rejected him. Even after ham handed attempts by the establishment to shove Romney down their throat.

            They could let the delegates decide who is on top of the ticket.

            Regarding Speaker Gingrich. I don’t think his relevance can be assessed purely by looking at his performance at the moment. Unlike Ron Paul ( who’s actually had a rather large impact on the race in Romney’s favor) Speaker Gingrich was either national front runner or tied for it for most of 2 months.

            Also unlike Congressman Paul who has been absurdly ineffective as a Congressman and who has excelled only in getting pork for his district and developing his cult following; Newt Gingrich rose to 2nd in line to the Presidency, wrote best selling books rather than racist newsletters and has arguably done more for conservatism and for this country than any other single person alive today.

            I’m not counting Newt out – and most who are going on about his irrelevancy were declaring him dead back in June of last year.

          • lapert

            For the two of them added together to end up with more bound delegates than Romney they would have to win over 57% of the remaining delegates.

            If you really think there is a meaningful chance of that good for you. I think it wishful thinking on your part and not based in reality at all – if you give Romney the winner take all states of MD, DC, DE and NJ Santorum and Newt (who isn’t polling better than third, and I don’t think even gets to 20%, in any state at all at this point) need to take over 64% of the rest of the delegates – and there are no obvious winner take all states on their side of the ledger.

          • clowngirl

            Though I don’t think it’s impossible for the 2 of them combined to do that.

            What I wrote was that it isn’t implausible for Newt and Rick combined to get a larger percentage of the overall vote than Romney alone.

            Taking the very arguments you just made:

            MD, DC, DE, NJ and UT were all states that favored Romney- and they were all winner take all, Santorum and Gingrich had no obvious winner take all states in their favor but with that ( AND all his other advantages ) Romney STILL couldn’t secure the required delegates.

            As I told acat, I’ll go through state by state and map out scenarios that I think could result in a contested convention tonight – probably around 10pm (MT) or later.

          • acat

            That was the last time we had a split that denied the front-runner a clear lock on the nomination before the convention….

            Unless you think that Santorum, Gingrich, and Ron Paul will all decline to trade their delegates to Romney in exchange for .. something .. I just don’t see it.

            Treasury Secretary Rand Paul?
            A major speaking role at the convention?
            Vice President Santorum?
            HHS Secretary Gingrich?

            Who knows?

            Mew

            p.s. – these are politicians, I’m assuming you understand one or more of ‘em will cut a deal with Romney…

          • clowngirl

            You don’t seem to be arguing with the notion that Romney could conceivably fail to achieve the necessary delegates on his own.

            Question: if Ron Paul were to “give” Romney his delegates (which wouldn’t surprise me) would they HAVE to vote for Romney on the first ballot or would they still be able to make that decision for themselves?

            As to the other 2 — I could be wrong but I would hope they wouldn’t sell us out.

            If Santorum is willing to sell out to Romney and Newt won’t maybe that’s how we could wind up with Gingrich taking the nomination.

            I’m not arguing that Romney doesn’t have some huge advantages or that the nature of the process doesn’t make it hard to catch up. He/it does.

            But this has been an unusually unpredictable primary season. It doesn’t seem impossible that Newt could have one more surge, that Romney could somehow fall from grace (his negatives are already going up and could -at some point – reach a critical mass) or that something else could happen to somehow change the dynamic of the race one more time.

            If we get to the last few states and it becomes clear it is possible for them to stop Romney from cleaning winning the nomination — there could be a huge boost in momentum for the non Romney’s at that point.

        • Dave_A

          Since Mittens only has 50% of the delegates needed to lock it up…

          At this point, we are in the Mac/Mittens/Huckster phase of the 08 election, not the one where Fred was still a choice – if you’re using comparisons…

          - From someone who supported Thompson & Perry until they dropped out, & wasn’t able to vote for Santorum this time because WA cancelled their primary ‘to save money’ this year, and there’s no way to attend a caucus from Afghanistan.

  • redstateneck

    Its kind of nice that Romney won’t be beholden to the out-of-touch ideologues. The designated hitter stinks too, but its how the game is played.

    • trickamsterdam

      I agree.I know Al Gore personally and I can tell you he has enjoyed the freedom that the Nader voters provided to him.

      Think of all the sleazy massages w/ happy endings he was able to get that could never have happened if he were POTUS (well I guess that never stopped Clinton).

      I’m guessing after Romney loses maybe he and Gore can get together and get something going to fill the hours…maybe an Off Broadway production of “The Odd Couple”?

      Except I guess they’d both have to play Felix.

      Maybe they can dig Romney’s dog up stuff it and have it play Oscar? Except instead of dialog they stick a microphone inside it that continuously plays negative robocalls about Newt and Santo.

      I’ll have my people call their people.

      • redstateneck

        To believe there is a significant difference among he Republican candidates lacks the perspective of politics across the globe. There never was a conservative candidate that didn’t understand political realities. Hatch, another mormon, is in one of the safest seats in the Senate. He has strong conservative breeding yet he has had to deal with reality as best he can to be effective. I suspect this is where the new President will fall. With only a modicum of support from the South, we aren’t likely to get much. Our radical impractical bigotry driven approach will close more of our bases even under a Romney presidency. We did it to ourselves.

        Obama is a Marxist. Even the nutty Democrats should not of let him in the tent.

        • trickamsterdam

          It’s like telling someone a knock knock joke and in response they start reciting Einstein’s theory of special relativity.

          I think this Primary season is starting to push certain people beyond what is apparently their limits.

          I want Romney to be defeated and still think there’s a small chance (perhaps 5-10%) that that can happen…but if he’s going to win it in the end maybe it is better that he win it right now.

          I want to be able to stop paying attention to people like this as soon as possible.

          • jamesm

            according to Intrade. So yes there is a chance.

      • greenpoint

        So true. Romney reminds me of Gore much more than any other politician. Both lack charisma and will assume any position on any issue and change it wnenever needed.

  • spinoneone

    by any means is what we will be fighting from now through November 6th. We will be fighting a politician, party, and media cohort which are well versed in Chicago politics. They tend to bring guns to knife fights. While many will find it distasteful, we absolutely must be prepared to do the same.

    Our task this morning, at least those among us who are agreed that Romney will be the GOP nominee for President of the United States of America and that B.H. Obama will be the nominee for President of the nation formerly called the United States of America, is to agree that the “etch-a-sketch” meme has validity. Why? Because that is what we need to apply to the entire primary campaign by all of the participants.

    Ben Franklin once commented to his compatriots who had signed the Declaration of Independence that the British were coming, and that if they didn’t all hang together they would most certainly be hanged separately. In fact, a few of them were as I recall. It is time to hang together. Someone on this site call on the Tea Party members to become Minutemen Party members. Good idea. Keep your social ideals; keep your small government priorities; and keep you fiscal responsibility mantra.

    We have three goals for November 6th: 1) defeat Obama beyond a shadow of a doubt; 2) gain control of the Senate; and, 3) maintain control of the House. That requires unity. That requires getting out the vote. That requires not allowing the Democrats to get away with the lying and obfuscation for which they are famous. That must not go unchallenged. That, my friends, is the game. Onward!

    • redstateneck

      Let’s use gentle persuasion and subtle suggestion to sway our independent and Democratic brethren to realize the President has abandoned fundamental Democratic thought and moved to appease the mob.

      • cacharlie

        with redstateneck.
        My independent and Democrat brethern show signs of being persuadable.

    • naraht

      No signers were hung by the British and only a few actually had even their property targeted more than non-signers of the same location and class. See http://www.snopes.com/history/american/pricepaid.asp .

      Five signers were captured by the British, however Four of them were actually engaged in Military Combat against the British at the time and were treated no differently than others captured. Richard Stockton was actually arrested but was eventually released when he signed a document swearing allegiance to George III again.

      Randy

  • fredflintlock

    Given the right set of congressional tools, even Romney has the potential to be a good president. Not a great president, but a good one.

    Congressional primaries are still a few months out. The time to give the conservatives name recognition is now. Find out who is in your district primary. Find out who is thinking about running. Find out who isn’t lying when they claim to be the only true conservative in the race, and give them what ever you can to get them to the general.

    That’s how a conservative can vote with a clear conscience for Romney.

    • xymbaline

      There is still time to stop him.

      • fredflintlock

        Nothing says “principled stand” like losing in a massive landslide.

  • YnotNOW

    Ben – you are very correct in pointing out that the battle for a flawed presidential candidate is not the end-game, but only one (significant) step toward the longer goal of constitutional liberty. Coalescing support for a majorly flawed candidate is a step forward, versus a step backwards in re-electing Barack Obama,

    And the major way to keep a president in check is via the powers of Congress – so our focus on increasing conservatives in both houses (not just R’s but conservative R’s) is essential. And building the foundation for an increasingly successful future.

    I’ve written about this previously:
    http://www.redstate.com/ynotnow/2011/08/18/what-to-do-about-the-dilemma-of-voting-for-the-less-bad-candidate-vs-the-3rd-party-protest-vote/

    1) Vote for the most conservative who can win
    2) Build the base to support better conservatives in the future
    3) Impact the culture so that when politicians reflect the populace, they are conservative.

  • tnguy

    You mean like all the tea party candidates that have shown a distinct lack of spine since getting to Washington? Or Boehner, after conservatives gave him the speakership?

    Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking and trying to rationalize voting for yet another left/moderate republican, much like 2008.

    • xymbaline

      wishful thinking and lack of resolve by conservatives.

      Romney can still be stopped.

  • alaskaescapeartist

    than the Magic 8-Ball we got now (Is that racist? should I call it a Magic-Cue Ball?). At least with an Etch-A-Sketch, you can exercise some imagination.

    And so far as Romney as our nominee…Certainly not my first choice, but there is no argument against him, or concern about him… that trumps the argument for replacing the incumbent.

  • artaustria

    Although I personally don’t agree with some of your statements, I gotta admit that the primary message is just the right one. @BenShapiro has gotten it similarly. It means: Either way, the fight must go on.

    This is the real world, and you have to make decisions. There won’t be a shining conservative President in a shining conservative Washington after Jan’ 13. But Obama can be replaced with a guy who (then) owes the conservtive base of America quite a lot. And who will need these people in Novemer ’16 as well.

    I wouldn’t go as far as to say Mitt Romney is a liberal. I mean, come on. Instead of merely insulting our best shot aganist an ultra-liberal president, we should make him stick to his promises (e.g. get rid of Obamacare). Yeah, let’s do it!

    • garfieldjl

      The truth is Romney is a liberal, one shouldn’t be afraid to tell the truth.

  • General_Confusion

    I have no idea where people get this idea that somehow Mitt will listen or be beholden to conservatives. Look at 2010, conservatives made a huge difference in the House but were quickly told to sit down and shut up by the GOP leadership.

    There isn?t and will not be conservatives in leadership positions in congress. Congress is in full on ?get along, go along? mode. Whenever anything conservative rears its ?ugly? head our losership quickly closes ranks with the Democrats to shut it down.

    Why in the world would Mitt care about conservatives in any way shape or form when the current congressional leadership has already thrown in with the Democrats at every important policy juncture. Mitt will simply follow their lead and form his political base around liberals (and thus return to his roots and his comfort zone).

    McCain 2.0 ?Fighting the common enemy, Conservatives!

    • texastaxpayer

      Another dose of reality is on its way I am afraid. Sadly all of these people who vote for this “moderate(read liberal)” will soon be filling this site with posts denouncing his policies and betrayal’s. Should he actually manage to win of course.

  • angryguy77

    I can see the buyers remorse after he announces that he will only tweak obamacare. I can already see the crying on RS after he nominates some lefty to the court. I will laugh at all you “get in line” folks who discover they were fooled after he announces a need to reach across the aisle.

    He hasn’t played to the base too strongly during this campaign. What makes you so sure he will once he’s elected?

    If he wins, he will believe he did it without the conservatives and will do nothing but try to please the moderates/independents-a.k.a liberals. This means we will not get anything real done.

    It seems to be that many of you people seem to think we would have a chance to oust Mitt in his second term if he doesn’t tow the line. Yeah, that’s so easy to do. If that’s the strategy, I’d like to have a hit off of whatever it is you’re smoking.

    But then again, it he could be kept in line by the likes of Boehner and Mcconell(end sarcasm). He will pull the congress to the left more so than they will pull him to the right- mark my words.

    Face it people we are screwed either way. Mitt won’t be a strong enough pres to fix what Obama and the left have done.

    • alaskaescapeartist

      But it’s not really the argument. It’s Romney vs Obama.

      And for the sake of your point, do you really believe that if your predictions are true, that a majority of Red Staters will have been caught off guard??

      So far as the Republican “establishment”… they need to be un-established. It doesn’t happen with one or two elections, but never the less, the vote is the tool to get it done.

      • texastaxpayer

        Nothing in Romney’s record truly separates him significantly from Obama. Healthcare, Cap and Trade, Tax and Spend policy, Religious Rights, Homosexual agenda and his foolish economic ideas like tying minimum wage to the inflation index are just a few examples of how close these two are.

        I truly wonder when people like yourself cast this as Romney versus Obama what besides rhetoric actually separates significantly in your mind? Personally I think people have let their hatred of Obama cloud their judgement…….

      • angryguy77

        that everyone will be surprised. But I do believe there will be a lot of remorse for believing that we had to get him into the WH just because we had to be beat Chairman O at any cost.

        I understand that obama is bad, I understand that this nation is in serious trouble, but I don’t understand why people think we have to beat him at any cost. If we are on the verge of complete collapse, what in the world is it about Mitt that gives the impression that he would be strong enough to pull us from the brink? If he wins, we are not beating him in 2016 I hate to say.

        Everyone that says we need to support Mitt no matter what, is using the excuse that the sky will fall under an Obama second term. If we are in fact that close to destruction, then I have a hard time believing Mitt will do anything more than a sloppy patch job on the problems we face. All that is, is an excuse to set aside ideals for a victory.

        In essence, we are doomed either way. No nation that is so close to collapse can be saved in 4 years. If people really believe that we will never recover from obama, then there is not point to bother voting for Mitt because we are too far gone.

        The left uses the “we must do something now, otherwise were all going to die” as a tactic all the time. It seems the “get in line” crew has adopted that very same method to achieve the desired result.

        f we truly are going to save this country, we need a true conservative gov to do it, not some lame excuse for a Republican. I’d rather endure 4 more years of Obama than 4 years of some soulless pseudo conservative who will make it more difficult to elect real conservatives after he is gone.

        I believe that we can bring this country back to greatness, even if obama is elected again. But I believe that we need someone who at their core is a conservative, not a “win by any means” man like Mitt.

        • JX12

          Kind-of bummed by the prospect of Romney getting the nomination myself.

          Having said that, there is at least a chance that he will sign on to repeal of Obamacare (Romneycare history notwithstanding). Granted, all we have is his word on that – but the alternative is the absolute certainty that Obama will veto any attempt to undo it. I’ll take the chance that Mitt will be true to his word on this issue, because – if he is indeed the nominee – that’s all I’ve got to go on. Obamacare simply must not be allowed to stand through full implementation. If Obama wins in November, it will be fully implemented (unless SCOTUS strikes it down – not guaranteed).

          If Mitt is the nominee, I won’t like it, but I’ll swallow hard and vote for him in November anyway. I’d rather at least have hope of Obamacare repeal than to be resigned to the certainty that it will not be repealed.

    • texastaxpayer

      I doubt Mitt wins but its nice to know that if he does we are “pre-screwed” for 2016…. What a great time to be an American.

      • alaskaescapeartist

        then we gotta get him across the finish line.

        Who knows… maybe he will be one of those that rises to the challenge and rights the ship.

        And thanks to your “pre-screwed” comment, my entire nasal passage has been caffeinated….. and it’s not as fun as it sounds!

        • rednation

          We were told Romney was “inevitable” almost before one vote was counted.

          He might yet win, but it’s not time yet (quite) to close ranks.

          Not yet.

        • garfieldjl

          I hope someone really good decides to run as a third party if Romney is the nominee, someone that can actually win as a third party candidate.

          I don’t see any difference between Romney and Obama.

          • Ender

            against the GOP with this third party crap?

          • garfieldjl

            I’m not trolling Ender, I’m merely stating the obvious that a lot of people are afraid to say.

            Obamney = Obama, it doesn’t matter which wins the general.

            I would want a 3rd Party candidate at that point because we would have literally nothing to lose by supporting a 3rd party candidate.

            I don’t want it to come down to this, which is why I’m hoping Romney doesn’t become the nominee.

          • gekster

            Because by all appearences, it’s going to be Romney.

          • gracie

            The place hasn’t been the same without your pithy comments!

            Interesting thought that; disconnecting yourself from all electronic media. Wondering what wisdom you attained. Maybe some late night you will share.

            The thing is, I am not sure you find us in much better shape than when you left. At least you are back in to help us fight! :)

          • gekster

            Nice to be back.
            No wisdom gained, just a clearer perspective.
            I’ve been doing that for about a month for three years now.
            I can’t say say it’s nice to see not much has changed, still idiots spouting off like they are smart.
            I really shouldn’t say that, cause it could apply to me also.
            None the less, it’s good to be back in the game, just now trying to convince
            people to support the eventual nominee. ;)

  • angryguy77

    “toe the line”

  • rsgp

    For two reasons, both related to his asinine “etch-a-sketch” comment.

    1. Astonishing incompetence as a senior adviser on campaign communications (!), not to mention an utter lack of common sense. Someone who would say something that stupid could very well say something that would make the difference in the general, leaving us with Obama for 4 more years.

    2. Reminding me how old I’m getting. How much of our population has never seen an etch-a-sketch, or doesn’t even know what it is? Well, when I was a little kid it was practically considered a high tech toy. Thanks a pantload Fehrnstrom for reminding me how friggin’ old I’m getting.

    • garfieldjl

      We can’t trust Romney, we now know that he has no intention of actually doing what he’s campaigned on.

      While I wish this had come out earlier, I’m just glad this came out while there is still time to keep him from being able to become the nominee.

      Eric Fehrnstrom has pointed out what has been obvious to all of the critics of Romney, that Romney is unelectable in the general election, and that we couldn’t trust him to undo Obama’s policies. Fact is his instinct is to keep going the same direction as Obama has been.

  • clintonformccain

    I believe that the social conservative and tea party conservative blocs have decreased their relevancy in the Republican party during this nomination process. Jumping from one terribly flawed candidate to another, with little or no apparent appreciation for things like qualifications, has reinforced the notion that Sharon Angle and Christine O’Donnell were not isolated anomolies. I don’t know the answer, but somehow the Republican party needs to channel the anger of the right into something with a bit more political pragmatism. Mike Huckabee, Donald Trump, Herman Cain, and Rick Santorum are not really strong Presidential material.

    • rednation

      Do you write for Kos also?

      • acat

        you should think about what was said.

        Conservatives did what Conservatives almost always do – divided our forces behind a dozen different candidates, refused to come together, and let the moderates pick the GOP nominee, simply because they coalesced first….

        If you’re not looking at ways to solve that, you’re part of the problem.

        Mew

        • vastrightwingconspiracy

          …acat.

          Does the Tea Party actually know what it still stands for? When it started, it seemed to consist of members of all political parties with a common goal to shrink the gov.

          Now, it seems to have been hijacked by the theo-cons who want to regulate behavior just as much as the current administration does.

          • acat

            People have some very odd illusions about power. Mostly it consists of finding a parade and nipping over to place yourself at the head of the band. — Bujold

            Ironically, the best way to explain it is via a network analogy – the leaderless design of the Tea Party is under siege by hackers who wish to use parts of it as their bot-nets… not the least of which is Ron Paul. .. Nipping over and getting in front of the Tea Party band.

            I *think* that the right ticket, and certainly the right congressional candidates, can – like a good anti-virus – get the Tea Parties back in time for the 2012 election, but .. it’s going to be close.

            Mew

        • Dave_A

          If we had united behind Perry… Or Santo… Or even Huntsman…

          Romney would have been sunk like he was Guliani, Cain & Gingrich would never have had their publicity-stunts become viable candidacies (because in both cases, that’s what those two started as, before they got a pile of ‘not-Romney’ support), and so on…

          The problem is, we splintered – in some cases over the STUPIDEST of issues (Guardasil? Texas state-level handling of immigration issues? Come on guys!!!!) – and the moderate wing of the GOP always had ‘their man’ from the start…

          End result? Victory with 30-something poll numbers for Romney…

  • aleena

    I agree that Mitt Romney will be the candidate. As a Perry supporter, I was and have been very unhappy about the way things have turned out. However, I have come to believe that the Republican race has been a distraction from the real issue. President Obama needs to be replaced next fall. In a down economy, he has hired thousands of new government employees to mirco manage our lives. The latest example is the set of new farm regulations.
    http://www.thune.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/op-eds?ID=b8417f3d-072b-4e8f-918d-fb41ba3fcb2b

    On a daily basis President Obama is shredding the Constitution and rapidly eroding our freedoms.
    As was pointed out, Mitt Romney is a practical politician. He is also a competitive person. He wants to do well. President Obama thinks of the United States as a second rate nation and is doing everything in his power to make it one. Whatever his faults, Mitt Romney wants to be successful, and he wants the same for this country. I also feel that he does love his country, and I cannot say the same thing for President Obama.

  • rednation

    There is still a shot for Santorum, the media’s inevitability and mapping out and crying “math!” non-withstanding.

    It’s still possible it could lead to to brokered convention, and as long as that’s so, and LA and WI and TX and such have not weighed in, it’s not the time to bandwagon and give up even if it seems tempting, etc.

    I am not giving up and do not buy the “at this point he’s gonna win so now we have to back him since it’s damaging for the party, he needs time to turn his guns on Obama, our true enemy, etc.” YET.

    He has to get to the 1100+ and he has not done that yet.

    He may have to survive a floor fight and win on a 1st ballot.

    He has not done that YET.

    He has not, if failing on a 1st ballot, won on the 2nd.

    Until Mittens meets those conditions, it aint over til it’s over.

  • drivlikejehu

    No President can survive politically without the support of his own party. Carter and George H.W. Bush are prime examples. Romney simply will not be able to betray conservatives without destroying his administration politically. The real concern is the GOP establishment in general, as we have seen over and over again since the mid-terms.

    As others have noted, it doesn’t make sense to say Romney is committed to liberal policies while also having no ideology at all. I believe he will repeal Obamacare, because even though it’s basically his idea, the policy is unpopular. It can be a positive or negative, depending on the situation.

    The bottom line is that Obama needs to go. Romney will be the nominee. He can build a winning coalition but conservatives will have to turn out- whether or not they hold their noses in the voting booth.

  • http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/ pilgrim

    Pres. GHW Bush

    it is clear to me that both the size of the deficit problem and the need for a package that can be enacted require all of the following: entitlement and mandatory program reform,tax revenue increases, growth incentives, discretionary spending reductions, orderly reductions in defense expenditures, and budget process reform.

    Pres. George W. Bush

    I?ve abandoned free market principles to save the free market system.

    Pres. Reagan never ever trumpeted this kind of stuff, but will Romney trumpet like the Bush family? I worry.

    • Dave_A

      Ignores what actually happened during the 01-09 period…

      W Bush governed almost identically to Reagan – save for one campaign promise enacted by a Dem Senate (Med D)….

      Despite W’s rhetoric, TARP didn’t ‘abandon free market principles’ – rather, the government bought some non-voting stock, prevented a deflationary spiral (had we ‘let them all fail’, the credit markets would have frozen, and our money supply would crash back down to the 1.xTN of actual paper USD, absolutely crushing the economy in the process. Inflation is harmless compared to DEFLATION), and did it without actually costing taxpayers any money…

      Bush deserves more credit from conservatives than he gets….

      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

        made that mistake. He was a supplysider and his tax rate cuts prevented a Tech bubble double dip after 911.

      • http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/ pilgrim

        That is like saying other than that, Mrs Lincoln, did you like the play? President Reagan did face a big Wall St crisis in 1987, and he did nothing. The world did not come to an end. When the House voted it down the first time in 2008, there was a 700 point drop on the Dow; The world did not come to an end. We are never going to know what would have happened had Pres. Bush did in 2008 what Pres. Reagan did in 1987.

  • Common_Cents

    It would be helpful to have input on what people can/should do, and how could they go about doing it?

    any suggestions?

  • burke

    “I’m running as a conservative Republican. I was a conservative Republican governor. I’ll be running as a conservative Republican nominee.” .

    …He does not say that he’ll be a conservative Republican President.

    Not like I’m worried he won’t, or anything. I think if Congress holds his feet to the fire, he’ll be fine. It’s just kind of funny to point out.

    • garfieldjl

      Romney called himself “severely conservative” like it was a disease, sorry but I highly doubt he’s a Conservative.

      The record shows he ran Massachusetts as a Liberal.

      All the indications are that Romney doesn’t intend on doing what he is campaigning on.

      • annie54

        the oval office, where he, Ann, and their sons will bask in the fame, but he will do nothing.

        umm – like we have now.

        OMG I hope they don’t bring a dog. They don’t know how to . . . . . .well, you know.

  • annie54

    look who’s up close and personal with him. . . . . .yet another Bush.

  • filobeddoe

    Yes. If we conservatives vote Romney, he will somehow be beholden to us. Except, he doesnt seem quite interested in getting conservatives votes now. I dont see him giving a fig for conservatives once he is elected.

    I wish Romney supporters would not go about trying to persuade using really foolish arguments.

    I really get a kick how everyone wants to twist themselves into pretzels trying to woo independent voters. Conservatives have to eat dog food. Victory is not replacing Obama with Romney but a conservative. No more Souters. No more Harriet Myers. I will NEVER vote for Romney. If the Republican party wants my conservative vote, it can woo me for once. I will write in.

    • morrigan

      >”he doesnt seem quite interested in getting conservatives votes ”

      What would he be saying and doing differently if he was interested in getting conservative votes, in your opinion? Because it looks to me like he’s promising essentially the same stuff as Santorum, who is promising essentially the same stuff as Gingrich.

      >”Victory is not replacing Obama with Romney but a conservative”

      There’s no conservative running in the Republican primary.

  • red2013

    When I checked about his background and his claims, I have more questions than answers. It seems to me he frequently changes his mind just to get our votes. How can he win having a lot of personal and political baggage? He is saying different things in different places; Recently he said the economy has shown improvement and recovering on its own when there are about 50 Million Americans on food stamps; our country is over $15 Trillion dollar in debt and it is own its way to about $25 trillion in about 10 years; with unfunded liabilities estimated to be in the range of $25 to 100 trillion? Unemployment according to gallop is about 10.3% ? If the economy is recovering, according to what Romney stated on its own under BHO, why there is too much emphasis on a private sector experience? One major problem which created uncertainty for a private sector to grow jobs is Obmacare, and Romney promoted Romneycare to BHO to be used as a model for our country in 2009. How can Romney credibly challenge BHO On Obamacre; bailouts; cap & trade; climate change; and TARP? Is keeping his money in foreign banks such as Cayman Islands to shelter from paying taxes a recipe for a class warfare?

    • ennaneko

      He’s a former missionary. He’s been married to the same woman forever. His personal life has the facade of stability. He’s successful in business.

      So… what’s the problem?

      The gaffes…
      The condescending remarks…
      How he totally dismisses the importance of the conservative vote..
      How his supporters imply they can steal liberal votes from Democrats…
      Etch-a-sketch…

      • Flagstaff

        Gaffes… Which ones were as serious as Newt/Pelosi? Newt/moon base? Santorum’s support for Specter and opposition to right to work?

        Condescending remarks… I missed those. Can’t help you. Unless you heard “condescending” when I heard “inept sense of humor.”

        Dismisses the importance… Wha?? I don’t believe that. I do believe he thinks they’ll vote for him over Obama. Is there any reason to not believe that?

        His supporters imply.. Isn’t that a long way from “The candidate says…”

        Etch-a-sketch… Campaign official without a way with words. As somebody else said, it’s unfortunate that the only memorable phrases his campaign comes up with are some that hurt him. If it sticks around for very long, let’s see how he handles it. So far, he’s ignoring it, which is probably the right strategy at this point. It worked for Santorum and the “aspirin between the knees” joke.

        Although you reveal your true feelings with the phrase “facade of stability,” I know how you feel. I want to like Santorum, but it’s hard to like a whiner. And Newt, like McCain, is always halfway across the aisle, and still I do like him. But then, I’m an issues guy, not a religious guy.

        Probably didn’t help.

  • tommyfrisco

    The Dems nominated their most liberal candidate in 2008 without knowing much about him. Now, we’re going to follow that up with our own most liberal candidate…while we’re still debating about whether he’s an opportunist or a leftist idealogue.

    We’re wasting a perfect opportunity to offer the voters a sharp contrast between liberalism and conservatism. I’ve come to the realization that the GOP is not a conservative party, at all, if their goal is to stay just slightly to the right of the Dems. The Dems have steadily moved farther to the Left and the GOP insiders are going in the same direction.

    OK. I’ll vote a straight Republican ticket one more time, but don’t expect me to do anymore than that. If guys like Karl Rove want Romney so bad, let them make the phone calls and knock on doors for their candidate.

  • vastrightwingconspiracy

    …with disgruntled employees.

    Many of you sound just like disgruntled employees. You have such a narrow view of the office of the President, what it takes to get the job, you think that your needs are the needs of everyone, and think that you all know how to to it better than the guy that actually stuck his neck out and took the job.

    Romney’s not perfect. Are any of the other candidates objectively “better?” They sure as heck are not “more conservative” than Romney, although your selective memories might remember him as a liberal and the other candidates as conservatives, the answer to the question is a resounding “NO.”

    You people really do crack me up though.

    • texastaxpayer

      Provide some evidence from Romney’s record that demonstrates his conservative convictions with credible sources to validate any claims you care to offer.

      Waiting patiently……

      • vastrightwingconspiracy

        …”conservative convictions,” please define the term.

        It seems to be a moving target for people who don’t like him.

        “Waiting patiently…”

        • texastaxpayer

          Surely you have something from his record in mind when you make statements like “They sure as heck are not ?more conservative? than Romney”. Certainly your not the type of person that would just randomly post OPINION as FACT. So do tell, what have I selectively forgotten that demonstrates that Romney is a bonafide conservative. Bring fourth the accomplishments and let’s revel in his record together. Come on I have stuff for smoors and we can sing kumbaya together….
          :)
          Still Waiting….. crickets….. crickets…. crickets….

          • vastrightwingconspiracy

            … since you won’t define the term you threw out, then I will use examples of what “conservative” accomplishments he has acheived, at least as I understand the term to mean.

            Private Life: Married 43 years to the same woman. Stuck with her through grave illnesses. 5 sons, all of who support and admire their father. Member of the same church, in which he served (for free), in good standing, for all his life. No skeleton’s, to speak of, minus a dog on top of a car some 30 years ago. I remember riding in the back of a pickup for 400 miles. Is that worse? Hmmm. Donates at least 10% of income to charity/church. Doesn’t drink, smoke, use profanity (that I’ve heard), and drives (several) American made cars. According to his family, is still “cheap.”

            Business: Ran a highly successful and reputable company which was instrumental in the beginning of a number of other highly successful companies. Made money for himself and countless of investors. Carried himself in an ethical manner (no scandals or investigations to speak of). Once shut the entire HQ down to travel to NY and search for a partners daughter – which they found strung out on ecstacy. My contacts in the business world who have worked with either Mr. Romney or people who have worked with Mr. Romney, speak very highly of him and his firm.

            Politics: Not a perfectly “conservative” record but did cut taxes 19 times, balance budgets, left MA with a surplus, vetoed stem cell legislation, private solution to health care coverage, worked with gun lobbyists to enact gun control legislation they were happy with. “Saved” SLC Olympics (for free). Also took no salary as Gov of MA.

            Campaign platform: Repeal Obamacare, strengthen military, cut taxes, broaden base, supports Ryan budget, streamline government, cut programs, push welfare plans back to states, supports marriage amendment, defund planned parenthood. No new gun legislation.

            Is that a good start?

          • texastaxpayer

            Start backwards if thats ok?

            Campaign Platform:
            His campaign platform is only relevent if you believe a single thing the man says. Considering the wealth of video demonstrating the man has absolutely zero credibility I think its a stretch to tout his campaign pledges as proof of his credentials. Wouldn’t you stipulate that?

            Politics:
            “Not Perfectly Conservative” wasn’t the question was it. It was provide evidence of his conservative accomplishments. You mention he cut taxes 19 times. But didn’t he in fact raise taxes and “fees”?
            Factcheck.org: Romney?s Fee And Tax Increases Were “Between $740 And $750 Million Per Year.” [Factcheck.org, 1/31/08]
            Factcheck.org: The Massachusetts Tax Burden Went Up Under Romney From 5.93% To 6.57%. [Factcheck.org, 10/12/07]
            ” In his first year alone, Romney actually set the record for the most fee increases enacted by any state, according to the National Conference of State Legislators” Doesn’t seem like your being honest with this whole he cut taxes 19 times line of yours now does it?

            You mention balanced budgets? But isn’t the governor reguired to “balance” the budget by law in MA? So your bragging about something he is legally required to do? See above for how he did it….
            Surplus?? fiscal 2007 ended with a $307.1 million deficit. Where is this surplus you speak of?

            Vetoed stem cell legistation sure, but provided explicit funding for Planned Parenthood as well $0 to $100 dollar co-pays for abortion in his signature healthcare law. So really? Touting him as pro-life?

            Romneycare with its mandates, penalties and tax subsidies is a “private solution” to healthcare? Surely you had to take a shower after typing that. I know you don’t need me to respond to this right?

            Gun Control that gun lobbyist were happy with? Don’t you mean better than what they feared would happen if they turned down his “generous offer” to ban only assualt weapons and “some handguns” while raising fees 400%? Guess you can tout that as better than Obama. I guess.

            Saved the Olympics? Really? Well let’s just put him in charge of our nuclear arsenal because he can build a parking lot…. Didn’t he get a massive federal “bailout” for the games? Isn’t that how he “Saved Christmas… I mean the Olympics”?

            So politically the guy is basically Obama. Raise rates and fees to finance new entitlement spending while instituting crippling environmental regulations that costs tens of thousands of jobs? Sound about right?

            “Highly successful and REPUTABLE company”? Two names for ya GSI and Damon Corp…. GSI he left the tax payers on the hook for tens of millions of dollars for under funded pension funds. Damon Corp is still the largest case of medicare fraud in state history. Defrauding the taxpayers out of tens of millions in excessive fees. You know as well as I do I could continue all night here so lets just leave it at I dispute reputable….

            Honestly like the family story. Great wife and kids from what I have seen. The dog story wasn’t thirty years ago and is a bigger deal than your letting on but Ok. I don’t understand why he feels the need to promote the “cheap” mo personally if I had $240 million I would have what is 12 houses also. BTW know one with 12 houses can be considered “cheap”.

            So there we go a big governement big spending pro-choice anti-gun pro-gay ex governor from a bright bright blue state….. Conservative??? If you say so brother….

          • vastrightwingconspiracy

            …now that I’ve laid out what I believe are MR’s “conservative” credentials, please tell me how the other candidates are “more conservative” than Mitt Romney.

            At the end of the day, for right wingers, isn’t that the real question? It’s not about a white knight, it’s about who is the best of the lot.

            Why is Rick or Newt better?

            If you think both of their records can’t be nitpicked more handily than Romney’s, the discussion is over as you have already made up your mind.

            By the way, did you hear Santorum today say that he would rather have Obama reelected than Romney?

            Here’s his quote:

            “If you’re going to be a little different, we might as well stay with what we have instead of taking a risk with what may be the Etch-A-Sketch candidate of the future.”

            This is tragic and he should be thrown out of the party based on that comment alone.

          • The_Rebel

            story. Santorum really stepped in it today with that comment. Eric Fehrnstrom was just an operative and people are calling for his head. To be consistent, those same jokers should be calling for Santorum’s, wouldn’t you think? Crickets……

          • aesthete

            There are plenty of us who despise Santo and Mittens, and are equally willing and able to call both on their BS.

            HURR DURR LUK OVOR DERE AT DOSE DUM SANTORUM SUPORTORS is an idiotic argument to defend your guy, no matter who “your guy” is — classic misdirection.

          • The_Rebel

            You know what they say, if the shoe fits………………….

          • aesthete

            The shoe *doesn’t* fit. You’ve been on this site long enough to know that the vast majority of us don’t support Santo. Hell, you’ve been on here long enough to know that I, specifically, and many (if not most) of the site regulars could care less about the political fortunes of that noxious douche. You’re just trolling to distract from your guy’s enormous frak-up.

            I’m so glad you’re posting on RS. After dealing with single-digit IQ Santo supporters, I forgot about the mendacious smarminess of the Romney supporter demographic. Thank you so much for reminding me of why I don’t support Romney.

          • vastrightwingconspiracy

            …why get your undies all wrapped around your axle about it?

          • aesthete

            who have no reason to feel superior, spout off as if they have a clue.

            You ‘bots want to deify your candidate and engage in fallacious defenses of him? Expect to be called on it.

          • Martin Knight

            Milton Friedman in a nutshell elegantly explains why I believe that Mitt Romney is going to end up pleasantly surprising Conservatives if he’s elected President. Unlike Jonah Goldberg, I don’t believe he’ll be a Conservative out of gratitude, i.e. because he’ll “owe” us – it will be because he’ll have no choice. Keeping the GOP’s conservative rank-and-file happy would not be just be a matter of political profit for a President Romney, it will be a matter of political survival.

            Like I’ve written before, when I look at Romney’s record, I add in 800 vetoes (700+ overturned) and factor in an 85% Democratic State Legislature and a 100% Democratic Governor’s Council (which signs off on judicial nominations). I also count eight overturned line item vetoes in the Massachusetts Health Care Insurance Reform Law (AKA RomneyCare), multiple attempts to cut taxes and the fact that he came in facing a $3 billion deficit and left office with a nearly $600 million surplus.

            I believe Romney would be a strong and able President and he would be fiscally better than George W. Bush and most importantly stratospherically better than Barack Obama. I believe he will be pro-life and pro-gun in word and deed throughout his Presidency and that he would nominate conservative judges and push them through the Senate.

            I believe all this because I believe that a President Mitt Romney would seek a second term in 2016. He’s too ambitious not to, and if there’s anything no one can doubt, it’s the breadth and depth of Mitt Romney’s ambition. And he certainly would not want to be a one-term President. Which is where we’ll own him, lock, stock and barrel.

            Jonah Goldberg’s Case for Romney has as a subtitle; “A president who owes you is better than one who owns you.” My case is somewhat different; “A President you own is better than one who owes you.

            Let me spell it out; 2016 will see a whole bunch of people finishing up their sixth years as Governors in their states – people with names like Susana Martinez, Brian Sandoval, Nikki Haley and Scott Walker(!). A man named Chris Christie would actually be rounding up their seventh year in office while another guy named Bobby Jindal would be just one year out of the Governor’s office in Baton Rouge. There’s also a guy named Bob McDonnell who would be three years termed out of office in his home state of Virginia, perhaps even serving in the Senate. And speaking of the Senate, there are one or two former Governors who are young enough to try their luck if a President Romney is stupid enough to provide them with an opening, not to mention a rising star named Marco Rubio and old veterans with names like John Thune.

            In other words, unlike 2008 and 2012, in 2016 Conservatives are going to have lots and lots of … options.

            And you’d best believe that a President Romney and his staff are going to be well aware of those options and what would happen if he fails to walk the line – and the need for him to do so would be even more acute given how little he’s trusted by Conservatives in the first place. No Republican White House would want a repeat of 1992 – and with so many viable alternatives, and a significantly more organized conservative base, it’s not so much that a President Romney would fear not being able to win the General Election in November 2016, it’s that he might just become the very first sitting President to experience the humiliation of failing to win his own Party’s nomination in the Primaries.

            That’s why I will quite happily vote for Mitt Romney in November – not only do I believe that he’s immeasurably better than Obama, I believe he’ll govern as a conservative because I believe he’s much more conservative than he’s given credit for.

            And because we’ll have him by the cojones.

          • ennaneko

            2016 pool of nominees will be a lot stronger? Wow!

          • ennaneko

            i meant to say candidates.

            By the way, I think that guys like Romney are more likely to cave to lefties when they get into office. Look at Scott Brown. Very few of these “moderates” ever turn to the right, they turn to the left thinking they can get on the good graces of the media. They always start playing the popularity contest.

            They only want the conservative to give them power which they can use to become the center of attention amongst the “popular” clique.

          • vastrightwingconspiracy

            Like you have the answers that we should kow-tow to your wisdom.

            Too funny.

          • texastaxpayer

            Please point to legislation they have enacted that:
            Violates the right to life
            Violates the second amendment
            Requires someone to purchase a product as a result of breathing.
            Furthers the gay agenda against traditional values
            Promotes class warfare and social justice
            Raised taxes for the sole purpose of expanding the depth and reach of government

            Or you could point to a position they have taken in error that they will now not admit was a mistake.

            I don’t expect perfection just an honest accounting of a candidates views and positions. That is something that Romney is incapable of providing. He is truly willing to say whatever he feels will get him what he wants at the moment. At this moment its the presidency…

          • vastrightwingconspiracy

            …could you nitpick any more?!

            Santorum voted to fund planned parenthood.
            Romney did nothing to violate the 2nd amendment. Please cite the case where his law was overturned.
            They only have to purchase health care if they use health care w/o insurance – the point was to get rid of free riders – a “conservative” policy, at least according the the Heritage Foundation.
            “Furthers the gay agenda?” What a joke.
            Promotes class warfare how? By being rich? Are you jealous? He has 3 homes, not 12, slick.
            Santorum, on the other hand, promotes religious and gender warfare and wants to ban pornography, contraceptives, put cameras in people’s homes, and legislate how peope can have sex.

            Now he admits that he wants Obama to be re-elected. How else can you take what he said?! There’s not a snowball chance in hell that either he or Newt would win so he wants the only person with a chance to lose in order to re-elect the President.

            Fed Spending increased 80% while the Senator was in Congress – Federal spending – not State spending – Federal Spending – that affects everyone.
            Voted against right to work because out of the four, he is a staunch STATIST. He wants to control you, your behavior and thoughts just as much, if not moreso than the President.

            He has stated himself that he is anti-libertarian.

            Howzabout stealing money from PA school district to home school his kids…IN VIRGINIA!!!! Not to mention he’s a peddling lobbyist.

            As for Newt, his personal life has been hased to death and got booted out of Congress, but he’s not a liar, no. Criticizing Romney for owning stock in Fannie/Freddie when he himself owns it and lobbied for them to the tune of over a million $’s. Pandering to every locality on the campaign trail – I’m going to build you this and give you that. Sitting on the couch with Pelosi.

            Admitting error is one thing but being repeatedly incompetent is another.

            Your guy, whoever it is, has warts too. As I stated, Romney isn’t perfect. Heck, maybe he’s not even a good candidate. But he’s by no means as bad as you make him out to be.

            He IS the best candidate out of the lot. He WILL be the nominee. You can get behind him to oust this failed President or you can take your ball and go home. What I won’t let you do, is piss down my back and try and tell me it’s raining by saying that Rick and Newt are squeaky clean “conservatives” even by your mushy, vague and ever changing standards.

          • texastaxpayer

            Frankly your neverending attempts at making Romney out to be anything other than what he is (a lying, hypocritical, sleezy liberal) is boring. Your list of his “conservative credentials” doesn’t survive the Facts. Your pathetic attempt at conflating Newt and Santorum with Willard is just sad. As far as who’s pissing down who’s back and calling it rain. Well your backing the candidate that has no less than a dozen time stated he “never advocated a national mandate”. Yeah that’s not rain….

            Just curious, do you have to be willing to lie, spin and deny blatant facts first to join team Willard or do they send you people to some kind of training?

            FACT Romney ranked 47th out of 50 in economic growth. The guy created his own personal recession with his failed attempt at leading a government during a period when the rest of the country was growing.
            FACT Obamacare is modeled on Romneycare tax payer subsidy, mandate, penalties and all. Romney invented socialized medicine in America and advocated Obama use his model for the nation.
            FACT after a single term leading a government Romney left office with a 34% approval rating. His negatives were so bad he couldn’t credibly run for reelection. After Romney’s stunning failure of leadership Massachusetts voted for the first democrat governor since Dukakis in 1987.
            FACT Romney left office in 2007 with a $300,000,000.00+ deficit. After raising taxes and fees over $750,000,000.00 annually creating the phrase Taxachusetts in the process.
            FACT Mitt Romney currently rates a 39.6% approval rating with American voters the lowest of any nominee from either party in over 30 years.

            So considering Romney and Obama have governed exactly the same except of course unlike Romney Obama hasn’t raised taxes. Is it just the fact that Obama is black that makes you hate him? A you just a racist? You obviously don’t have a problem with big government, deficit spending, stifling environmental regulations or government over reach…

          • vastrightwingconspiracy

            …you seem like a really smart guy.

            Have you done as much vetting of your own candidate as you have the others? It doesn’t seem so. I can and have disputed your claims, but what good would it do to continue? It seems that you have some underlying problem with Romney. You call him a liar but don’t hold Newt or Rick to the same level of accountability. Newt, with his obvious personal and political indiscretions and Rick, “I stand on principle/take one for the team/rather have Obama than Romney,” Santorum.

            I don’t know if it’s his religion or where he comes from or what but you have demonstrated an inability to look at the other candidates with the same skepticism as you have with Romney. If you had, you wouldn’t be so quick to diss Romney for those guys. It took me a long time to see that Romney was the right candidate.

            Whatever your problem is, it’s your problem. Again, Romney isn’t perfect by a long shot. What he IS, however, is he IS the best of the R candidates and he WILL be the nominee. I hope that at some point, you can come to terms with that and support him in the general, because…

            …contrary to what RICK SANTORUM said, it would not be better for Obama to be re-elected than having a Romney presidency. Or, perhaps you feel the same way as him.

    • Stricia

      Nicely put. SOME remind me of disgruntled employees on the edge of going postal unless they get their way. Hey, Romney wasn’t my first choice either. I had dreams of “another” candidate, but one has to recognize that the majority still rules. And to date, Romney has the majority. End of story.

  • demsaresatanic

    Great punt.

    • vastrightwingconspiracy

      …Santorum or Gingrich “conservative” then I’m not sure what they think the term means.

      Romney’s not a perfect conservative, at least according to my understanding of the term, but to claim he’s any less than the other two is quite laughable.

      • demsaresatanic

        some help, try individual rights vs group rights for starters.

        • vastrightwingconspiracy

          …your line of thought.

          Please elaborate on what you’re talking about and I’ll be happy to respond.

      • Lynn Otting

        you don’t know what it means to be a conservative. Obsiously, you have problems determining conservative principles when looking at past records, so attempting to have a serious conversation with you about conservatism is pointless.

  • pieter

    EE, you’ve sold your soul to politically expedient nonsense. A vote for Romney is one for advocating and supporting the healthcare mandate, pro-choice, liberal judges, and gun control.

    I challenge you to prove that his previous endorsements will translate to his recent etch o sketch rhetoric.

    He is McCain 2.0 that will be destroyed in the general election. He is not a contrast to what we have presently…not even transparent (remember the hard-drives?).

    Thanks for advocating what’s best for the country rather that what we all know to be an unsavory alternative to the present officeholder.

    Please go check your mirror and conscience, you’re starting to scare some us.

  • vangoghssister

    and says “Mitt, before we get started, I’d like to take a minute and thank you for providing me and my administration, as well as the American people, the blueprint for the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. I should have thanked you before now and thought this would be a good time to right that wrong.”

    What’s Romney going to say? You’re welcome??? Even worse, what are we going to say when trying to convince voters that Romney is better than Obama?

    • The_Rebel

      about this before that debate, making it a moot point by then. But in any event, Romney will be ready to deflect that by thanking him for bringing the American economy and fiscal situation to its knees, so that the American people can elect a new President who understands such matters.

      Two can play that game.

    • vastrightwingconspiracy

      …”well Mr. President, I appreciate the rhetorical sentiment. The American people, and I, would like to know, however, how you managed to take the concept of getting rid of free-loaders, something so simple, and manage to turn it into the worst piece of convoluted, self-destructive legislation that the country has ever seen? Talk about a swing and a miss Mr. President. It’s as if you are deliberately trying to bankrupt this country with this foolishness.”

      See? Not too difficult.

      • Lynn Otting

        is that he will say something exactly like this and he, too will not what is wrong with this statement.

  • furiouschads

    Wooden
    Inevitable
    Electable (I don’t like him but normal people will vote for him.)
    Privileged
    Well funded
    Moderate (in his party?s view)
    From Mass.
    Francophone
    French-lover
    Flipflopper
    Weird when agitated
    Looks strange in jeans
    Really prefers souffle to cheese grits

    • acat

      WIEP WMFF FFWLR doesn’t seem to mean anything … just like your post.

      Sure, he’s an awful candidate. The better response, since we seem to be stuck with him, is to start working on Congress.

      Mew

  • annas

    What is it about Romney that makes you “hate” him? Only slightly less than Obama? He seems a decent family man to me. Maybe not your choice, but hardly a magnate for “hate.” Romney happens to be my now choice as I think he is he only one who can win, but I don’t “hate” Santorum or Gingrich or Paul. As someone has said, I would vote for a strange smell in the attic before Obama and certainly whomever is our candidate.

    Another Texastaxpayer

    • texastaxpayer

      But the short list goes something like this….

      He is a blatant bald faced liar and not in the distorted “from a certain point of view” spin you expect from a politician. I mean in your face “I never promoted a national mandate” out right liar.

      His campaign has been just as sleezy and underhanded as anything we have seen from Obama and his Chicago minions. His attack ads have time and again been proven totally false and yet they continue as he claims innocence.

      His policies as governor were nearly identical to those he now attacks Obama for. Romneycare, cap and trade, gun control, gay marriage and abortion funding are just the highlight real.

      Finally the fact that after three years of railing against government spending and over reach he are now set to prove ourselves the hypocrites the left has always accused us of being. Honestly besides rhetoric tell me the difference between Romney and Obama. If you strip out all the “I’ve spent my life in the private sector” BS from Romney and the “rich should pay their fairshare” crap from Obama. You will find to people who have governed exactly the same way. From tax policy to stifling environmental regulations these two are as different as night and later that same night.

      I don’t personally think Romney can win. What will his platform be? “Hey I’m not him!” As acat noted I think with Romney we can only hope Obama loses. Unfortumately unlike Romney Obama has’t lost a lot of elections :(

      • Kyle-MI

        You don’t get to set things off-limits when others are deciding how to vote.

        If you want a reason to vote for Romney (at least in the general election) then here are several reasons:
        http://www.mittromney.com/jobs

        Among other things they include:
        Fairer, flatter, simpler taxes
        Smaller, simpler, smarter government
        Cutting red tape for regulation
        etc. Just read the link.

        Yes, it would be better if he had a more conservative record, but we can’t change that. IF he is our nominee, there are plenty of reasons to get behind him.

        And his private sector experience is no BS. He wasn’t just involved in a company. He was involved in a company that help many other companies across many different economic sectors.

        • texastaxpayer

          Get over yourself…..

    • ennaneko

      almost every politician on both sides has the “family man” facade. John Edwards made a career of being a southern “family man” in the Democrat party. Look at how that went.

      • vastrightwingconspiracy

        …”family man facade” candidate in this primary.

        The other three are real family men.

        • texastaxpayer

          Perhaps you should vote.for the president we have. Faithful husband and father. Plus he is a big government big spending liberal and we both know how much you like that ;)

          • vastrightwingconspiracy

            …bro.

            I do love them libs though. They keep me entertained.

        • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

          when he was pro choice or when his wife was making donations to the abortion mill called Planned Parenthood.

    • Lynn Otting

      but am rather furious at this party for giving us a candidate that makes it so difficult to defeat a President that could have easily lost.

  • ennaneko

    The Tea Party is barely 3 years old. It spawned from Obama’s election.

    Tea Party candidates have only been around for one election cycle… a midterm one. This is a brand new movement.

    They’ve shown they can beat out establishment Democrats and Republicans.

    Of course, they’ve had their growing pains with guys like Scott Brown turning into a lefty but this episode will just makes tea party members more jaded and cynical. Tea Party candidates will be vetted harder.

    We won’t see the “Tea Party” presidential candidate for at least another 4 to 8 years.

    IMO, there is no reason for anyone with Tea Party sensibilities to settle for Romney. The future belongs to the Tea Party and electing the wrong Republican would set back conservatism decades.

    It’s better to focus on congress and minimizing the damage of Obama’s second term knowing that in 2016 it;s an open race and that Romney’s backers and their ilk would have already spent their political capital.

    Romney may have the personal life and past that a lot of conservatives would find acceptable but he’s slept with the left far too many times and bragged about it. The Etch-A-Sketch stuff is just another indictment of his character flaws. You just can’t trust Romney. He doesn’t instill confidence. I’m sure a lot of people believe he’s out to deceive conservatives and pull a Scott Brown… sell liberal policies under the cover of conservatism.

    The future belongs to the Tea Party, IMO. Romney’s campaign seems to be the last hurrah for some desperate faction of the GOP.

    • clintonformccain

      The completely ineffectiveness of the Tea Party in the Republican nomination was the turning point, with support gong in every direction, mostly to candidates that have no business even being mentioned as Presidential candidates. Being “mad as hell” is not enough. There has to be some ability to make constructive political calculations and deliver support in a meaningful way. I mean, with the era of Tea Party, how can it be that the Republican Party couldn’t attract even one credible conservative candidate of stature? Govenor Perry was the only one and he flamed out, in part because he didn’t pass a litmus test on immigration.

      The problem is not Mitt Romney. He’s just taking advantage of the situation. The problem is the incomprehensibly weak field. And, please, don’t say “Rick Santorum”. Good grief, he lost his Senate re-election bid by 18 points. He’s the poster boy for what I’m talking about.

      • ennaneko

        No way in hell Bachmann, Rand, and the slew of other candidates that just got into office a little over a year ago are going to have enough resources or clout in the GOP to run someone against the power of the establishment.

        Bachmann is barely a congresswoman. Bachmann is legit if she wins a senate seat.

        The movement is brand new, in its infancy.

        The Tea Party is the future.

        Wait until people like Rand Paul, Michelle Bachmann, and others build their careers.

        No way that governors who’ve only been in office 2-3 years or been associated with the movement for a year to a month will have the clout the run.

        As for Santorum… he’s not a Tea Party candidate. There is no Tea Party candidate this year… Romney sabotaged the primary in his favor.

        The only people sticking around are the candidates with nothing to lose. Santorum’s political career was dead before this. Gingrich hasn’t held office since the 1990s.

        Santorum and Gingrich offer an alternative to a candidate a lot of conservatives don’t like and win or lose they sort of rebuild their political careers.

        Neither is truly Tea Party kosher but still better than Romney in the estimation of many conservatives.

      • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

        And it’s laughable for a Clinton lover to call *us* ineffective.

        Talk about a lack of self-awareness.

        • clintonformccain

          I’m not complaining. There’s a Republican nominee who passes my Commander-in-Chief threshold test. I’ll happily vote for Romney (and Scott Brown) in November. And, I’ll honor the commitment I made to Rep. John Tierney to vote against him in every election until he’s out of office or until I die, which ever comes first.

          I think Romney has a shot at being a reasonably effective President. I think it’s more than a little ironic that he’s going to win the nomination without owing diddly-squat to the “tea party” to get there. If you had told me two years ago that the tea party would have this little power in the Republican nominating process, I would have laughed. But, there you are. They have thrown their support behind a guy commited to fighting pornography and endorsing a vote for Obama over the Republican nominee. That’s not a real great place to land.

          • ennaneko

            Romney is the last big hurrah of a lot of establishment folks, in my opinion. The Tea Party focuses on local and statewide elections and is hunkered down for years of battle. It’s the establishment that is panicked. The desperation to give Romney the nomination is palpable.

            Tea Party power is growing. Some people are just wishful they disappeared from the face of the Earth and are pretending a infant and growing movement is somehow gasping its final breath. There is some sort of Tea Party derangement syndrome.

            Romney has had his way because other GOP factions are older and more entrenched… like the PNAC faction.

            If Romney is the nominee, the Tea Party activists will put all their chips on their local boys, get them elected.

            Of course, Romney may not end up owing the Tea Party but he won’t beat Obama either.

            Gotta remember that the majority of the GOP is composed of males, a lot of them cynical. They can’t be talked down to like Democrats and they’re less likely to settle.

            Conservatives are more likely to trust god, not people. Liberals trust people with authority and badges blindly… conservatives don’t. God doesn’t screw over people, people screw over people.

          • morrigan

            But Romney gets at least as much TP support as any of the other candidates.

            That’s at the voter level. It’s also worth noting that a lot of politicians favored by the Tea party – from Christine O’Donnell to Mike Lee to Marco Rubio – have endorsed Romney.

            Are O’Donnell, Lee and Rubio also “the establishment”?

    • Lynn Otting

      a third of the Tea Party voted for Romney…in some states, he got about half of their support.

  • Stricia

    I think the TEA party movement has been wounded, but not fatally. It will recover nicely I’m sure.
    Try to remember the first week or two of November 2010 when we all kind of rode that high of coming off the election. It almost seems like a lifetime ago already.
    Maybe the voters can grab on to some of that TEA power again this November and usher Romney in to victory!

    • vastrightwingconspiracy

      …the TP can be very effective and cross party lines if people simply would remember why it was started, organize and get back to what it stood for;

      Smaller, less instrusive, government that spends less money.

      Since those days, it’s seemingly been hijacked by theo-cons and repulsed fiscal cons/social mods.

  • redstateneck

    If I were the Romeny folks, I would put Newt on the payroll. The more he says Mitt is a moderate or liberal the more the indies and swings will feel he is a centrist. If Romney can win the nomination without the perception that he has cow-towed to the ultra-right then thats perfect. If the dang democrats would have vetted folks like the republicans Hillary would be in and we’d not have to worry about Healthcare. Romney and Newt aren’t very different when pragmatism in governing comes around.

  • Seedyrom

    If he loses, Romney validates the GOP is still full of fools and idiots who are hellbent on doing what the media dictate via liberal proxy. If Romney wins, he will go down worse than Bush and it will validate people like me aka the Not-Romneys who aren’t afraid to vote for a better candidate while saying exactly what most of you are now afraid to say.

    You Romney voters are the same apologists who glad handed every bill Dubya signed into law guaranteeing deeper debt and a sure fire win for a zealot like Obama to rise up. Win or lose, we lose because Romney is not a fiscal anything and his economic policy is a joke. Notice how the media never detailed his 3rd plan that isn’t much better than the 1st.

    You get what you vote for, Shake Romney and maybe you’ll see yourself but you will never see a winner nor a conservative.

    • gekster

      And crystal balls are easily broken. ;)

      • Seedyrom

        and all the women’s issues plus a lack of enthusiasm that’s lower than the McCain enthusiasm could be the crystal ball we can both laugh at after Super Tuesday. Conservatism loses either way if moderates shift the party and spend like its 2001 all over again.

  • Seedyrom

    Santorum has a chance till the TX election is over. I’m praying for a brokered convention. I’d rather lose with a winner than a born loser whose election track record is comparable to Obama’s ability to speak without a teleprompter.

    Oh yea, Romney uses the teleprompters a lot. Etch-A-Sketch loser on the board to see what it looks like.

    • Scope

      I read an article this morning at the Hill which claimed that a new poll shows Romney’s negatives increasing, while Obama’s positives are gaining. Of course the poll was done by the lefties, and they are claiming the independents and moderates are now swinging toward Obama, no surprise there. It is interesting though that even before this poll, Romney was losing the independents, and they were in facy going back toward Obama.

      This morning Fox showed another poll, where people were questioned on what GOP candidates should exist the race. Don’t know who did the poll. The results showed that 60% of those polled thought Gingrich should get out, and 61% thought Ron Paul should get out. Santorum came in at about mid 30′s, and Romney came in about mid 20″s. Don’t remember their numbers exactly. Then it was reported that if Gingrich got out, about 15% said they would go to Romney, and about the same 15% of Paul supporters said they would go for Romney.

      Of course Brain Kilmeade, a long time Romney shill at Fox said he would really miss Gingrich if he got out. Yes of course he would say that as with Gingrich still in, he keeps splitting the anti-Romney vote, and giving the nom. to Romney by default. It seems many on Fox are not even trying to hide their Romney alligence any more.

      • Seedyrom

        caring for facts at times. Kilmeade is a clown at times, I often wonder why he works there.

      • littlehouse18

        It was interesting that he said downsizing his campaign was looking at ‘reality’. I think he’s missing the real ‘reality’ due to ego.

        If his votes go to Romney, so be it. We deserve a chance to see what one-o- one looks like.

        I don’t see reason for Republicans to panic just yet regarding a continuing primary fight. We are getting real discussions on the issues, It’s still over seven months till the election. Giving Obama seven months to completely focus on one opponent and to put out his anti-Mormon propaganda (for example) doesn’t seem helpful to me.

        • clintonformccain

          Newt is irrelevant now. Nobody really cares what he does at this point. Itwould be nice if the losing candidates would now turn their fire on Barry Obama and stop attacking the Republican nominee, but with so little media coverage, even that is a big deal one way or another.

        • Seedyrom

          the second time around.

          As for Newt, he’s looking for a job after the election and of course to keep Romney from earning delegates. I think Santorum and Newt never stopped working together after the alliance made before the SC election.

    • zachv

      That’s not ridiculous, that’s downright dangerous. You’d rather sacrifice our nation to another four years of Obama? Have you looked at the news recently?

      Right now, the Supreme Court is spending the week arguing over a wholly unconstitutional mandate that was imposed upon us by President Obama and the left wing of the Democratic Party.

      It is only by God’s good grace that Kennedy is still a sitting justice, and that Obama has not yet stacked the courts. What exactly are the chances that Obama is going to be nominating another Supreme Court Justice? 100%? 150%?

      This “rather lose” mentality is rotten and harmful to everything [I hope] we stand for.

      • Seedyrom

        while thinking Romneycare is any different. Stop with the ridiculous nonsense because you sound like a a newbie to politics Santorum hasn’t lost yet and he’s more conservative but what do you know.

        Romney will most likely lose, why do you think the gop states are going after so many social issues? They know odds are low with the incumbent potus, that’s one reason why better candidates are not running. Get over your lack of reading skills while choosing to impose your thoughts as if I said I want to lose. I know better and I know we don’t have great choices while the squish’s continue to think money can buy Romney happiness. You have no idea what campaigns are like, so you must be young.

        As for BOCare, odds are we’ll most or all of it ruled unconstitutional so stop thinking you can scare brave people into thinking it has anything to do with the primary. Thanks to Romney we have to face Obamacare and you think he’s a great choice?

        • acat

          There are a few more reasons to support not-Obama .. even if it’s one of the four idiots we’re calling candidates.. than there are to insist that “they’re the same”.

          Mew

          • Seedyrom

            appointments, and a lack of foreign policy experience. Mitt has yet to demonstrate he’s any more educated than Obama.

  • cheetah2

    This is good: “it?s up to us to make sure that this wrong guy does the right thing.”

    We’ve got to go which what we’ve got. And we have to win! It is still the most important election ever for our country.