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Mitt Romney’s Health Care Problem

The big news yesterday on the health care policy front is that the 11th Circuit case against the individual mandate is headed to the Supreme Court before the 2012 election, not after. This means a decision about the constitutionality of the individual mandate is likely to come in mid-2012, after the Republicans have chosen a nominee but well before the election ramp up. This is good political news for nearly everyone in the race on the Republican side, with one obvious exception: Mitt Romney.

Let’s back up a moment to explain why. There’s one line that Romney used in Florida during the most recent debate which is still sticking in my craw today, and I’m having a hard time shaking it. Excerpt – in response to a question from Chris Wallace about Perry referring to Romney’s Massachusetts’ reforms as “socialized medicine”:

“I don’t think [Perry] knows what he was talking about in that — in that regard. Let me tell you this about our system in Massachusetts: 92 percent of our people were insured before we put our plan in place. Nothing’s changed for them. The system is the same. They have private market-based insurance. We had 8 percent of our people that weren’t insured. And so what we did is we said let’s find a way to get them insurance, again, market-based private insurance. We didn’t come up with some new government insurance plan.”

Now, there’s a factual criticism here regarding the latter part of his comments, and the way people get that insurance under Romney’s plan – namely, the overwhelming number of those newly covered are subsidized by other taxpayers, and are on Medicaid, not private market-based insurance. This is directly the opposite of Romney’s case for his plan in 2007 and 2008, where he explicitly framed the matter not as a Massachusetts-specific solution, but as he said on the day he signed the bill into law, the “Republican way of solving a problem which we face as a nation.” He’s continued to maintain his approach is a “Republican way to reform the marketplace” which ensured personal responsibility, as opposed to “expecting someone else to pay” for your own care.

This is ironic, given that the effect of his plan has been to shift health care costs for the newly covered (reducing the number of uninsured from a little over 9% to 4.4%) to the taxpayers. Of the 412,000 people added to the insurance rolls in Massachusetts since 2006, 47% are on Medicaid, and only 7,000 of them have coverage not subsidized by other taxpayers.

The same subsidy-driven flaw is at the heart of Obama’s federal law and Romney’s Massachusetts law – a profound disincentive to increase your self-sufficiency, to work more and to earn more, given that you stand to lose out on significant taxpayer funded subsidies:

“For example, a family earning $33,000 pays no premium at all under Commonwealth Care. But if their pay goes to $46,000, they’re obligated to contribute about $2,400. That’s an effective tax rate of 18.5% on that $13,000 raise.”

As you can tell, Romney’s policy is inherently redistributive, disincentivizing success and placing the overwhelming burden for the newly insured onto other taxpayers while doing little or nothing to leverage market forces to drive competitive costs. As Cato’s Michael Tanner pointed out in that piece: “It’s a situation where the entire escalation in costs is paid by the government, not the people receiving the care.”

But let’s put all that aside, because that’s not really the line that irks me from Romney’s statement. It’s the “nothing’s changed for them” line, which evokes so much of the misplaced optimism on Obama’s part that his national reform wouldn’t change things for the majority of Americans who like their insurance plans. Because things have changed for the 92% of insured people in Massachusetts in the five years since Romney’s reform passed. Namely: everything costs more.

Since Romney’s law went into effect, the cost of Massachusetts premiums have increased dramatically, at a much faster rate than the rest of the country. Today, the health insurance premium cost for the average family in Massachusetts is the highest in the nation. It is double the national average. And yes, that counts as a change.

This gets us back to SCOTUS and the individual mandate. When Romney originally passed his reform, he maintained that it – and the individual mandate within it – would become in time a model for the country. His first line in the 2010 edition of his book on this point was thus consistent with his past remarks of his solutions in Massachusetts becoming the basis for a nationwide approach.

But before I looked into this, I had assumed that – given Romney’s expressed opposition to the federal individual mandate – he would logically support its repeal. This is, surprisingly, not the case. When Romney was asked on his book tour in 2010 about whether he’d repeal the individual mandate, he apparently said “No.” Has he shifted away from this? Has anyone followed up on this point since he officially began his 2012 campaign? It seems like a rather relevant question.

Here’s an interview he gave while on that book tour:

NEWSWEEK: Back in February 2007, you said you hoped the Massachusetts plan would “become a model for the nation.” Would you agree that it has?

ROMNEY: I don’t … You’re going to have to get that quote. That’s not exactly accurate, I don’t believe.

NEWSWEEK: I can tell you exactly what it says: “I’m proud of what we’ve done. If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be a model for the nation.”

ROMNEY: It is a model for the states to be able to learn from. During the campaign, I was asked if I was proposing that what I did in Massachusetts I would do for the nation. And the answer was absolutely not. Our plan is a state plan. It is a model for other states—if you will, the nation—it is a model for them to look at what we’ve accomplished and to better it or to create their own plans.

One wonders what elements of this “model for other states – if you will, the nation” Romney is referring to. Is it the redistribution of costs? Is it the costly subsidies? Is it the skyrocketing premiums? Is it the price controls? Is it the individual mandate?

If the activity of Romney’s campaign is any indication, it seems unlikely that Romney’s view has shifted on any of these points. Just last week, they took time to bash yet another health care study illustrating how his reforms in Massachusetts raised premium costs and cost the state jobs, the second negative study in as many weeks. Rather than laying out Romney’s plan for health reform as president, they give all the indications of still fighting the last war.

In debates, Romney always cites his intention to grant waivers to all the states from Obamacare. That’s fine. But waivers are temporary, and do nothing to solve the long term problems of health care. Romney is essentially using the waivers as a substitute for proposing an actual reform, and should SCOTUS rule against the individual mandate, his utility in namechecking waivers will likely dissipate.

What really matters – and this is true of all the Republican candidates – is what he’d do next to fix the system. This issue is currently clouded, but will enter the forefront if Obamacare is gutted or if the individual mandate is maintained. Whether Romney’s plan in Massachusetts is a model for the nation or not, it is all we have to go on when it comes to evaluating his model for reform as president. And his continued defense of his Massachusetts’ law, including the individual mandate, long past the point where more honest supporters have backed away slowly from its well-evident mistakes, indicates that as much as Romney has shifted over the years across the gamut of policy positions, there is one area where he will not budge: wherever he is on health policy at the moment you ask him a question, he is never wrong.

COMMENTS

  • freentn

    romneyCare has been a disaster for the People of Massachusetts just as obamneyCare is a disaster for all the people of the United States.

    • freentn

      ObamneyCare waivers to States any different from BO granting ObamneyCare waivers to States?

      • strangebuttrue

        And a step the President could do immediately, by himself, on the first day in office.

        I would like to think most of our Republican nominees would take a similar step on their first day in office!

        (Obama has not granted waivers to the states- most states would immediately opt out effectively killing the program).

        • freentn

          waivers and he most certainly does not want to kill ObamneyCare.

          • gekster

            Who got the waivers.

          • freentn

            Don’t you read the news? What planet are you on that makes you so uninformed?

          • gekster

            at least that was the what the commenter you replied to was talking about.

            Let me check that.

            Yep, the guy you eplied to was talking about waivers to the states.
            and you replied that Obama has already given waivers (to the states)
            with no elaboration.

            And my question to you was in regard to said waivers.

            I was kinda following the thread.

          • freentn

            We are talking about WAIVERS. What about waivers do you not understand, romneyBot?

          • rkcon

            Stop trying to make Romney criticism the product of mindless fanatics. This conversation about waivers was surreal. The thesis that Huntsman is preferable to Romney and that you wouldn’t even vote for Romney in the general are way over the top even for someone who really hates Romney (at least if that someone is a Republican). You’re trying to caricature someone suffering from RDS.

            You’re a Moby.

          • freentn

            Don’t you get it? IMHO romney is an UNACCEPTABLE LIBERAL!

            Yes if Huntsman somehow got the nomination I would support him 100%!

            In the unlikely event romney gets the nomination, I will consider voting for a 3rd Party candidate because there is not a dimes worth of difference between romney and bo or hillary.

          • rkcon

            nt

          • gekster

            Reading comprehension is your friend.
            He said state waivers.
            You said he already gave those waivers.
            I just asked what waivers, and you decided to go stupid instead of just explaining what you meant.

            Like I told you before, give the laptop back to mommy, and go to bed.
            You will be late for school tomorrow if you don’t.

          • lineholder

            There have been temporary waiver to states re: the maximum annual limit clause of O-Care. Maine received a full waiver. Several other states have applied for full waivers and been denied. A few states have received partial waivers. I think maybe it is these waivers that freentn was referring to.

            But I think the waivers Ben is referring to are waivers from participation in O-Care. At least that’s the impression that I got.

          • gekster

            If that is what he meant, he should have said that.
            Again, thanks.

          • jlsankot

            to let yourself get upset very easily. Try to take a few deep breaths before you start shooting from the hip. (i.e. “What planet are you on that makes you so uninformed?”)

          • freentn

            believe that some here don’t know that romney’s proposal to grant waivers is just like what BO is already doing.

            Some romneyBots feign ignorance of romney’s true history so that they can claim plausible deniability just as democRats do with BO. Others appear to be woefully ignorant of the true romney (pardon me for the oxymoron) again just like the moronic democRats who support BO

          • strangebuttrue

            Again, how many states have sued the federal government over Obamacare? All of those and more would choose not to participate.

            Obama’s waivers were political payback to small organizations and companies such as unions and the like.

            Again, I would think all Republican candidates would do something similar in their first day in office. I understand you don’t like Mitt, but this is something most of us would agree on.

          • freentn

            All bo Donors have gotten ObamneyCare waivers.

          • strangebuttrue

            :) Because that’s the only point I think I proved. Granting waivers can be done by Executive Order, repealing legislation cannot, but it is the first step.

            Of course, not all donor’s get waivers- but actually that would be a great idea for Obama if he wanted to improve fundraising!

          • lineholder

            If you need the link I’ll be happy to find it, but it isn’t donors that got waivers. See my comment to gekster above, please.

          • freentn

            All Conservatives know bo donors have gotten waivers from ObamneyCare.

          • lineholder

            The waivers were granted to businesses/states that met qualifications of standing at high economic risk if they implemented the maximum annual limit clause regulations included in O-Care. The state of Maine did receive a full waiver. Yes, there are Unions that received waivers. Perhaps it is this association that you are thinking of.

            But NO, this can not be claimed solely on the premise of being donors to the Obama campaign.

          • gekster

            I called Hinz Rule.

            I won’t tell you what to do, but the more you feed him, the more he craps on the floor.

            What is ?The Hinz Rule??
            This ?rule? originates from a diary by RSer David Hinz, where he encouraged us to not ?feed the trolls.? When someone invokes the Hinz Rule, it says ?OK, folks, that?s enough, let?s not encourage this troll-like person to continue?. But what?s a troll, you ask? ?Troll? is a common term used to describe Internet message-board troublemakers.

          • lineholder

            I have all the respect in the world for you, gekster. IMO, this is one instance where I would rather refute the claims being made with facts, okay?

          • gekster

            After three days of him, though, I don’t see where he adhears to or admits to the facts.
            But as you are a respected poster, I will not tell you what to do.

          • californiagold

            One of the issues Bachmann actually is coherent on is ObamaCare. And she is correct when she states that waivers will not kill ObamaCare. At best, all waivers do is temporarily delay ObamaCare until the democrats retake the white house.

            The republicans are heading into a potential trap coming up next summer. (just before the election in November) All indications are that the supremes will rule on ObamaCare during the 2011-2012 session. That means ObamaCare could be a big issue during the general election. If the supremes rule that the individual mandate in ObamaCare is constitutional, that takes the sails out the republican argument. And if that happens, do you really think Mitt Romney will fight very hard to dismantle Obamacare if he wins ?

            Republican candidates need to be much more detailed on how they propose to end ObamaCare. But one thing is certain, waivers won’t end it, but only delay it’s implementation.

          • lineholder

            Bachmann is correct. I have no idea what Romney may or may not do, but given that he supported the type of healthcare system in MA, I rather seriously doubt that he has either the inclination, creativity or ingenuity that would be required to come up other viable options.

            I’d like to hear candidate express more clearly the approach that they would take in addressing O-Care, regardless of what the decision of SCOTUS turns out to be.

            Actually, I’d like here to them discuss the underlying healthcare issues, such as the national primary care physician shortage and the economic impact of rapidly growing Medicaid costs…I’d like to hear the ideas that they have about how these issues can be resolved.

          • gekster

            The taxes and regulations would still be in place.
            The only way is a total repeal from the Congress and signed by the President.
            If you can realise this, then you know how important it is to elect Tea Party, constitutional, conservatives to ALL branches of office.
            From county dog catcher to President.

          • lineholder

            We have to have the right people in place. Repeal is the best option by far!!

            But I’d still like to hear what options the candidates have in mind. Call it hoping for the best and planning for the worst, if you will.

          • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

            Pardon if it’s been mentioned, I’ve not read the thread, but…

            Romney has to stop his non-sense DODGE. The Waiver Authority EXPIRES on Dec. 31, 2012 and WILL NOT be available when the next President is sworn in!! That was all part of the DODGE/design of the UNaffordable Care Act to get Democrats through the 2012 Election before kicking in the most pathetic of the BIlls parts (until after, they hope, to retain the POTUS). Romney refuses to say he’ll sign a REPEAL.

          • gekster

            That is something I didn’t know.
            That puts everything Romney says into perspective, and re-establishs him as a liberal.
            Saying he would do something that is apearently meeningless, and he couldn’t do if he wanted.

            Hey Romney supporters, what say you.

          • freentn

            confirming romney is a fraud;

          • freentn

            for your most intelligent and insightful post!

      • freentn

        The title of this thread is: Mitt Romney?s Health Care Problem

        Ergo it is mitt’s problem and I dare say U romneyBots can NOT solve it.

        Face it romneyBots, mitt is UNELECTABLE!

  • http://teapartisan.wordpress.com Loren Heal

    will not have the fortitude to force ObamaCare repeal. He will do it if he can take credit for it, but will not stake political capital on it.

    Romney has made clear that his only opposition to ObamaCare is because other people don’t like it, not because he himself thinks there’s anything wrong with it.

    • strangebuttrue

      Romney’s will be forceful and relentless in getting Obamacare repealed if elected.

      Repealing Obamacare would actually gain him (or any other President) political capital.

      • freentn

        romney is the Father of ObamneyCare.

        • strangebuttrue

          :)

          (of course I disagree with your statement, but I couldn’t resist!)

          • freentn

            romney will never kill his obamneyCare baby. All Conservatives know that and that is one of the many reasons we will never vote for romney.

          • strangebuttrue

            Thank you for telling me what all conservatives know, and how all conservatives will vote. I’ll be sure to pass this along to all my conservative friends that support Romney that haven’t received your directive memo.

          • freentn

            May all romneyBots see the light!

          • gekster

            What is ?The Hinz Rule??
            This ?rule? originates from a diary by RSer David Hinz, where he encouraged us to not ?feed the trolls.? When someone invokes the Hinz Rule, it says ?OK, folks, that?s enough, let?s not encourage this troll-like person to continue?. But what?s a troll, you ask? ?Troll? is a common term used to describe Internet message-board troublemakers.

            The more we feed this guy, the more he craps on the floor.

          • aesthete

            nt

  • http://redmeatconservative.blogspot.com/ Daniel Horowitz

    This is a quintessential example of how Romney is Obama-lite.

    Romney said,” Let me tell you this about our system in Massachusetts: 92 percent of our people were insured before we put our plan in place. Nothing?s changed for them.”

    This is exactly what Obama meant when he said that if you have your insurance you can keep it. The fact is that both Obamacare and Romneycare have raised the cost of premiums on on everyone to the extent the many can no longer keep their insurance.

    • freentn

      between RomneyCare and ObamneyCare. Obama-Lite? I’d say that romney is Obama-Maximus!

  • Adjoran

    Not much explaining how a SCOTUS decision would hurt him against Obama more than the others.

    It’s always been true that Romney would not have the heavy cudgel of ObamaCare to beat Barry over the head with, at least nowhere as effectively as the other candidates could. But it seems to me a SCOTUS decision against the individual mandate and voiding the law takes him off the hook, whereas an affirmation of the bill would leave him forced to advocate repeal.

    Again he would have less moral authority than others, but it seems to me he would be at a greater disadvantage with the case still pending.

    But the election hardly depends on ObamaCare. There is such a wealth of reasons to throw the bum out that our nominee’s biggest problem will be fitting them all into his campaign.

    Face it: the election will most likely turn, as every single incumbent’s reelection campaign in the last half century has turned, on the public’s judgment on their economic performance.

    • bonnman

      then Romney or any of the potential nominees will have a hard time running on that issue.

      A SCOTUS decision against would be played as a conservative court driven by conservative ideology repealing health care, which some provisions like pre-existing condition coverage for children are very popular. From a political campaign perspective its a shrewd move.

      • californiagold

        …when they pinned the future of Obamacare on SCOTUS. First of all, even if the mandate is ruled unconstitutional, that in itself doesn’t end Obamacare. And if SCOTUS sides with Obama, then what ? There are ways to dismantle Obamacare without a 60 seat republican senate, but to do that republicans would need a president who is serious about repealing Obamacare.

        Romney is the wrong guy to be leading the republican opposition to repeal because he has no credibility in the issue.

        • wonkish1

          To deal with the law because then it wreaks massive havoc. If the GOP doesn’t budge then Dem senators would be more pressured if the individual mandate was in place.

          Don’t worry its the next best step forward is to go to SCOTUS.

          • lineholder

            Costs are going to increase if it stays intact, no matter what. DHHS badly, BADLY underestimated costs for public health exchange subsidies. Take the individual mandate out and the risk pool decreases, driving costs up even more.

            It will wreak havoc, no doubt about that. And it will have to be dealt with.

        • freentn

          “Romney is the wrong guy to be leading the republican opposition to repeal because he has no credibility in the issue.”

  • freentn

    !

  • dajeeps

    It’s rather disingenuous for Romney to state that his program is about that. There doesn’t have to be a mandate to subsidize the purchase of insurance for people who cannot afford it and would really like to have it. In fact, it would be a much better idea to substitute that kind of program for all of the fee for service programs out there, sans mandates for either individuals or providers. And that would be at least closer to a market-based solution.

    RomneyCare is big government from top to bottom that tells people what they have to buy and how insurance companies have to provide it. It is price-controlled, centrally planned medicine – control of the means of production without owning it and the market. He blames his compulsion toward socialism on free-riders primarily; the government couldn’t possibly be the culprit in out of control health care costs, it’s people abusing the system government patched together in its march to single-payer.

  • 1stRichard

    That is of the Massachusetts Constitution, and Romney admits it was for the 8 percent of our people that weren?t insured, that 8 percent of ?any one man, family, or class of men.? There should be national outrage and being on the receiving end of Romneycare I am really offended conservatives are ignoring this. Romneycare is unconstitutional here in Massachusetts on many points and the values thereof. Romney was the same as any other moonbat here that bastardizes and distorts our Constitution and therein is of questionable trust.

    The Fact is?..

    ?Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity and happiness of the people; and not for the profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men?

    http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/Constitution

    Sadly, this is no longer the law here and so many others thanks in part to Romney.

  • freentn

    romney is the only Republican who does NOT have a chance of beating boHillary in 2012.

  • silentcal2012

    He’s been spewing anti-Romney filth for years, even Romney wasnt running for anything, but shhhh…

    This issue helps Romney like it has in every debate. The whole world expects something different. What they see is a smart, articulate professional man tell them he will repeal ObamaCare, which is what they care about,

    Then there are the weirdos and freaks who obsess over a nine years state plane that is approved by the residents in the most liberals state in the country.

    Domenech looks as stupid as usual.

    • freentn

      ?

    • manny

      Why is a careful writer like Domenech referred to as a “hater” just because he brings up uncomfortable facts? SilentCal stoops to name-calling, as the bots usually do when they don’t have rational arguments. These are leftist, Alinsky-style tactics, which RomneyBots freely employ.

      SilentCal sends you to Hugh Hewitt’s attack on Domenech in his book “A Mormon in the White House?” (See Cal’s further comment below.)

      Hewitt advised Romney in the strongest terms to DEFY the illegitimate Mass. Supreme Court opinion for “gay marriage” in Nov. 2003. See Weekly Standard, http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/398rgioz.asp
      Then, in , Hewitt (an attorney) acts like he never had such thoughts and thoroughly defends Romney’s unconstitutional actions implementing “gay marriage” w/o legislative authorization.

      So Hewitt’s attack on Domenech are questionable.

  • silentcal2012

    Yeah, this boy has issues. Hugh Hewitt started to track his strange obsession last election cycle. He even cites a redstate blog. Domenech needs counseling.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=N6_qd-UfgBUC&pg=PA108&lpg=PA108&dq=Domenech+and+romney&source=bl&ots=dOf9vEhS9X&sig=it8HGm2YI16VfIbDUEanYOd1A1g&hl=en&ei=P7aCTu2XIejm0QHO24muAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDwQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Domenech%20and%20romney&f=false

    • manny

      Hewitt advised Romney in the strongest terms to DEFY the illegitimate Mass. Supreme Court opinion for “gay marriage” in Nov. 2003. See Weekly Standard, http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/398rgioz.asp
      Then, in his absurd book (“A Mormon in the White House?”), Hewitt (an attorney) acts like he never had such thoughts and thoroughly defends Romney’s unconstitutional actions implementing “gay marriage” w/o legislative authorization.

      So Hewitt’s attack on Domenech are questionable. As are Romney’s “pro-life” principles. SilentCal stoops to personal attacks, as the bots usually do when they don’t have rational arguments.

      • freentn

        paulBots.

        They always resort to personal attacks because there are no logical reasons to nominate romney. In fact there are no logical reasons for romney to even be running for the Republican ticket. He is as LIBERAL as BO/Hillary.

      • streiff

        being compromised implies you have core values that you’ve deviated from. Hewitt is a sockpuppet for the GOP establishment.

      • http://www.whyromney.com Ryan Larsen

        I don’t believe Romney’s pro-life principles are compromised. I believe you should read “Pro-Life Principles” at whyromney.com

  • billstanley

    Government health insurance subsidies increase the demand for medical appointments. However, since they do not pay medical providers adequately, it is difficult to find a doctor and get an appointment. Commonwealth Care (Romney Care), established 5 years ago in Massachusetts, uses taxpayer subsidies to provide health insurance for adults not eligible for Medicaid. 98.1% of Massachusetts residents have health insurance. For all 5 years, the Mass. Medical Society has recorded critical and severe shortages of internists and family physicians. A survey released in April showed that emergency room usage has risen, due in part to physician shortages. 51% of internists and 53% of family physicians are not accepting new patients. Average wait times for appointments are: internal medicine = 48 days, gastroenterologists = 43, obstetricians/gynecologists = 41 and family medicine = 36. 85% of internists and 87% of family physicians accept Medicare, but only 53% of internists and 62% of family physicians accept MassHealth (Medicaid and CHIP). 96% of cardiologists accept Medicare, but only 78% accept Commonwealth Care. 98% of orthopedic surgeons accept Medicare, but only 59% acceptCommonwealth Care. www.newsandopinions.net

    • freentn

      done to the once Great State of Massachusetts.

      If we don’t elect Conservatives to Congress and the Presidency then ObamneyCare will wreck the entire Health Care System in the US, just as romney wrecked the Health Care System in Massachusetts.

    • renl57

      ….has been dropped by my own hospital’s organ transplant unit. (That’s Massachusetts General in Boston, one of the finest hospitals in the nation.)

      We have poor patients who are getting (or who just got) organ transplants, who were informed by Massachusetts General Hospital that they will no longer accept Commonwealth Care, leaving those patients high and dry. Even after you get an organ transplant, you have to spend about $16,000 per year on immunosuppressant medication to prevent organ rejection–not counting the cost of blood tests to constantly monitor the levels of those meds in the bloodstream. Nobody who’s not wealthy can afford to pay for all this out of pocket.

      Still, I don’t understand what our own conservative solution is for such patients. Lots of people work for a living for employers who don’t offer health insurance, and whose wages are too low to purchase private individual insurance. What happens to them?

      Do we have any plans that might lower the cost of health insurance to the point that it would become affordable even by the non-affluent?

  • billstanley

    Perry has been among the most vocal critics of Obama Care and Romney Care. But in 1993, Texas Agriculture Commissioner Perry praised the efforts of Hillary Clinton’s failed reform of health care. In a letter to Clinton, Perry wrote: I think your efforts in trying to reform the nation’s health care system are most commendable. I would like to request that the task force give particular consideration to the needs of the nation’s farmers, ranchers, and agriculture workers, and other members of rural communities. Rural populations have a high proportion of uninsured people, rising health care costs, and often experience lack of services. Again, your efforts are worthy and I hope you will remember this constituency as the task force progresses. Clinton’s plan called for universal health care along with a federal mandate for employers to provide health insurance for their employees. www.newsandopinions.net

    • freentn

      Perry wrote a letter urging billary to improve the Health Care System. romney pushed a Health Care System Wrecking Bill through the Massachusetts Legislature and then urged that his Health Care System Wrecking Plan be adopted as a “model” for ObamneyCare to wreck the entire Health Care System of the United States.

    • streiff

      it was written before HillaryCare was written…. as the letter you quote makes clear.

      Are you seriously contending that it was wrong for the state ag commissioner to ask the HillaryCare task force to consider health care for rural families?

  • manny

    The Heritage Foundation helped Romney develop his health care plan. Google it. Why is Heritage off the hook among conservatives for this disaster?

    Another example of Romney’s defiance of the Mass. Constitution is his kowtowing to the Mass. Supreme Court on “gay marriage” — calling their opinion law, and implementing the “marriages” without the necessary legislative authorization. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwwcAa6nHm4

    The man cannot be trusted. He is neither a free market champion nor a constitutionalist.

  • renl57

    I would like to understand what the GOP should offer here in place of RomneyCare.

    The dollars cost of saving Herman Cain’s life from stage IV cancer was staggering. I’m sure it ran into the tens of thousands of dollars.

    My own hemodialysis treatments plus prescription meds and lab tests and visits to specialists ran about $80,000 per year, till I got a kidney transplant.

    To save Cain’s life and to save my life, somebody had to pay. A lot.

    Now he’s a wealthy man, and I had had employer-provided health insurance, so we were covered. In my case, the premiums of healthy people went into the insurance pool out of which my claims were paid.

    But millions of other Americans aren’t that fortunate. If they get stage IV cancer or kidney failure, what happens to them?

    • explodinghead

      There are several things that could reduce healthcare costs:
      1. If medical malpractice claims were limited, providers would not order multiple, unnecessary defensive medicine tests to CYA.
      2. If people had their own insurance which was portable, sold across state lines, then they could shop for the best coverage for them, and they could stay with one insurance company, so the company would have an incentive for them to remain healthy.
      3. People need an incentive not to become frequent flyers at their primary care physician because “it’s covered by their insurance”. People should pay for all routine visits and most diagnostics up to an agreed sum based on their coverage. If they had to pay the whole charge for each visit this would reduce many unnecessary visits. I include all Medicaid and Medicare patrons in this strategy too. It doesn’t matter how poor you are, you should have to pay at least a minimum charge per visit, so the cost matters to you.
      4. If the government wasn’t artifically interfering in the medical marketplace, costs would be different. Patients should be allowed to see what everything costs and choose where they spend their dollars, and it should be “their” dollars. I believe in health savings accounts that are tax-free.
      5. Catastrophic coverage would be a smart decision for a lot of people. For chronic illness or life-threatening disease perhaps you could buy a more extensive plan. My church,and school community has raised a lot of money to help individuals we know in their fight against cancer. We are not selfish people, we will help the helpless, but personal responsibility needs to be front and center.
      These ideas are nowhere near a complete answer, but there are many things that can be done to improve healthcare costs.

      • lineholder

        these are really good suggestions.
        1)Another idea would be altering regulations placed of purchasing coalitions. 2)The national primary care doctor shortage has been a cost driver, because patients have to utilize ER services more frequently. (There is no simple answer to this problem, but there are options that we haven’t considered as much as we should have that could bring about reduction in costs)

        • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

          It is an anomoly that in this one area Congress has not nationalized the industry via the interstate commerce clause.

          • westcoastpatriette

            .

          • wonkish1

            But good luck convincing your average citizen to go along with that.

            My attitude is that if you move to a high deductible + HSA for most, high co pay + HSA for chronic, roll Medicaid and Medicare into a sliding scale voucher and subsidy system and you can hit a point where everybody should be able to afford insurance, the only reason someone wouldn’t because they want to be a free loader, and then maybe it is politically palpable to remove Gov. charity care because that is the big elephant in the room.

          • wonkish1

            The underlying problems still remain.

            Iowa(I believe still the cheapest health insurance in the country) is about 1/3 of the price of a similar policy in New Jersey or Maine, but even Iowa’s health premiums have been on the rise over the last few decades. While you do provide health insurance at a much cheaper cost for the medium term to the country and simultaneously increasing Iowa residents premiums it doesn’t solve the problems.

            The big 3 are transparency in pricing, skin in the game, and charity care. Transparency in pricing is that you get quoted price before you go into the hospital. Skin in the game is that you either have a high deductible or high co-pays to disincentivize people from utilizing healthcare expenditures they don’t need(because somebody else is paying for it), and the removal of charity care is so that hospitals are no longer forced to cost shift unpaid expenditures onto the insured.

            Now I’ve never agreed with an individual mandate for legal reasons(I don’t believe any gov has the right to force a citizen to purchase anything), but it is 1 of only 2 solutions to the issue of charity care and hospital cost shifting. Also if you conjoin it with community rating(no pre-existing conditions) and less skin in the game which both ObamaCare and RomneyCare do then you actually take you actually make things much worse not better even if you can get by the fact that mandating people to buy insurance is morally and constitutionally wrong.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            are state and federal elected officials that enjoy doing favors for the monopolists.

  • ihateliberals

    because they are the same piece of socialized medicine. What so many people just don’t get is that if the world were still under total socialization as it was before the 1600′s we would not most likely even be having this conversation let alone on a computer. The Free market system called Capitalism came about because of America and the 1776 Revolution. Before freedom innovation was extremely slow. Most of the inventions since WWII have come about from America or American products. Now many countries have mimicked our products but very few have invented them. With out the free market to drive thngs the reasons to invent or better things falls by the wayside. For example up until 1980 there was little movement in computer telephone communication. The reason for that is that Ma Bell controlled the entire system. They would not let completion in. In the 1970′s if I wanted to get a modem line I had to purchase a special line from Ma Bell then it had to have a device called a DAA attached that you paid rent on per month. The DAA was nothing more than a fuse box. there was absolutely no reason for one to exist. Then When Judge Green broke-up the AT&T monopoly the markets exploded. All of a sudden i didn’t have to have a DAA any more. Nothing changed except Ma Bell now had completion. Computer innovation exploded and more advances were made in medicine, TV broadcast, Internet and a multitude of business growth. If not for that one act of stopping a socialist practice we would still be trudging along in the 1950′s world. Now you ask how other conutries have some of the same thugs we do now like the internet etc. Plain and simple because the Free World drives the market not socialism, or communism or whatever you want to call the practice of government control. I realize this is a very simplistic example but the basic principles fo free markets work this way. Free generates innovation government control stimulates nothing but bare essentials.

  • jabajax44

    RomneyCare did in fact use private insurance companies to give the newly covered their insurance, with no single-payer system objective as with ObamaCAre. I don’t like the individual mandate or using Medicaid to pay for people who don’t really want insurance anyway, but those aspects won’t destroy our private health insurance system. ObamaCare will… That’s a big difference.
    There is no price control on insurance premiums in Mass.; there is no 15% gross profit limit in Mass.; there are no death panels or other large beaurocracy contemplated in Mass.; private insurance will always exist as an independent force in Mass. We already have Medicaid; a little more is not a big deal compared to all the other programs that Bush approved while he was President.
    But even if it was a big deal, and I don’t like it either, consider what the alternative was for Romney: His legislature was 6 to 1 or more Democrat. They could have passed ObamaCare over his veto. He had to work with them to moderate what they would have done otherwise. He got the best deal he could. That’s not a bad thing.

    • Bill S

      Since Romney?s law went into effect, the cost of Massachusetts premiums have increased dramatically, at a much faster rate than the rest of the country. Today, the health insurance premium cost for the average family in Massachusetts is the highest in the nation. It is double the national average. And yes, that counts as a change.

      Yeah, it’s a bit more than “minor”.

      • Scope

        It will be a major topic of discussion and speculation for the next year or so. That cannot help Romney, who has been trying to redirect the focus and conversation away from his signature prototype legislation in Mass.

        • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

          Which is why repeal is crucial.

          • snowshooze

            Then what?
            Ya can’t squeeze blood from stone without it.
            And there is that severability thing… but they already built that bridge with the 1099 thing… I wonder why that battle was never fought.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            and do most everything else the ObamaCare law entails, whether they also pass funding mandates or not. The regs requiring ins cos to cover pre-existing conditions, etc are the most onerous part of the law as they would eventually put the industry’s viability at risk and since Congress didn’t put in a NON-severability clause, the default position of a conservative majority is to give the intent of Congress effect. Congress can repeal the constitutional parts themselves. Its not the court’s job to pass on what is good policy or not. Courts don’t need to guess at severability. When no clause exists, the only issue is can the remaining parts be effectuated w/o the unconstitutional part. The answer is clearly yes. I wrote extensively on this matter from a legal standpoint at the time of the Florida court ruling and if you wish will get the link and reply with same. Let me know. The 1099 matter is not relevant to the question faced by the court on appeal.

          • onemovoter

            in Congressional bills if at a later point the bill is facing a court challenge and you say all the court has to look at is the rest of the bill is still Constitutional?

            What am I missing here? Some rulings have indicated that the whole thing must be thrown out because of no severability clause. My understanding, limited as it is, is that laws are encapsulated as a whole unless a severability clause is included. Am I wrong on this?

            I’m just trying to understand better.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            seem to invite it. Many have argued persuasively here that they think the Dems intentionally left it vague for a reason that escapes my memory just now. Maybe others will remember and I will probably go find my old columns, also posted here, that has the answer in the comments. More later, but probably not tonight.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2011/08/12/atlanta-court-right-not-to-sever-obamacare/

            and look at my more extensive analysis in text and comment responses.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    tendencies and be required to pledge to de-fund whole departments of government. He needs some Cain in him.