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The Tax-cut Deal Is A Good Outcome

My observations on the tax-cut deal:

I don’t have a problem with extending the UI benefits. As I’ve said elsewhere, I think there are a few million people out there, mostly middle-aged, who will never see another job at their old rate of pay, and this is because the economy is changing, not because of recession. We’re going to eventually end up with permanent income supports for these people, so get used to it.

I do have a problem with the payroll tax cut: not big enough and not long enough. This cut will feed maybe $85bn or so into the economy next year (by the back of my envelope), but if we eliminate the payroll tax altogether (and both sides of it too), the hit could be more like $700bn. Now that’s stimulus I can believe in.

“But Francis, you hypocrite, you were against the $800bn porkulus last year.” Yes, but this is an altogether different stimulus. Last year’s was fed to Democratic state and local politicians, who passed it on to their union supporters. A full payroll tax holiday would go to ordinary people all over the country. And ordinary people are the ones I want to see empowered, not politicians.

To the deficit question: yes, a payroll tax holiday increases the deficit. Now show me a red-blooded Tea Party type who has a middle-class or low-end job and believes that, for deficit-reduction reasons, she should NOT get an immediate 7% pay hike, together with another 7% later as prevailing wages rise. The people don’t hate deficit spending. They hate deficit spending that provides no clear benefit to them.

Hard-core anti-Social Security types on our side have long wanted to reduce the payroll tax, just to prove to everyone that SS is just another current expense, and not truly an insurance benefit. Heads are exploding on the Left, where SS is one of the Ten Commandments, because none of them ever figured Obama would be the one to let this particular camel’s nose under the tent. This is a side-benefit that I’m happy to get.

The estate-tax reduction is a welcome surprise. No, it’s not enough, but we might get another crack at it later. And this is something that is pure class warfare, since the revenue it generates is trivial. I’m delighted to see the Left get hurt (by Obama, no less!) on this one.

On the income-tax reduction for high earners: Here, there is a deficit-based rationale for doing it the President’s way. But the argument from job-creation trumps it. Sorry, economists, I’m a job-creator myself, and I can tell you that increasing the drag on my company’s earnings most definitely cuts job growth.

And besides, what about Paul Krugman’s column yesterday? He literally told Obama to kiss off the deal and let EVERYONE’S taxes rise at the end of the year, if he couldn’t get a tax hike for high earners. Krugman let his true feelings show with that. He’s not about what makes economic sense. This has been pure class warfare all along.

And finally, on not allowing the capital-gains rate to rise from 15% to 39.6% with a 4% Obamacare surplus on top of that: HALLELUJAH, thank you Jesus! For this, I might even start saying nice things about the Republicans.

Political calculus: do not be surprised if this ends up playing as a win for Obama. He’s going to say that he’s really a moderate leader capable of making the compromises that it takes to govern. My guess is that by giving us so much of what we wanted, he strengthens his political position, not the reverse.

On the economic effects: YES. Removing the uncertainty surrounding tax rates will make a lot of businesspeople feel more confident about planning for growth and hiring. It doesn’t remove the fundamental drag on business performance in the US, which is poor final demand, but it helps.

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  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    that (providing all this absurd spending doesn’t catch up with us before 2012) should the economy recover and job creation truly begin, Obama will likely be unbeatable in 2012 and he would be getting at least some credit for passing this bill. I am still unsure that the economy is going to create enough jobs though, as I really believe we have reached that Luddite tipping point in technology/productivity that has been theorized for 200 years.

  • CJB68

       I was never very fond of going on unemployment insurance, no matter how long it would last.  However, I’m one of those middle-aged folks who got the axe (although I was never really in the income bracket you’re describing, due to a misspent youth), and have found it only a small relief in my present situation.  What I’m looking for now is a JOB! that can allow me to cut that particular string…

       Color me “cynical” about the President’s apparent signing on to this deal.  I’ll believe it when he actually signs the bill, but there’ll still be the threat of an Executive Order hanging over the next Congress’s heads, and that means that they’re going to have to keep fighting to overturn those things.  Barack Hussein Obama is still a Big Government Leftist, after all…

       The thing that I’m waiting for is a real tax cut.  Not just holding the line on what G W Bush had put forth years ago, but an actual reduction in the rates that are imposed on businesses (and that includes small businesses) that has probably done as much to stifle the economy (and force potential employers to slam the doors in the faces of unemployed workers like myself) as any OPEC extortion tactics, threats of terrorism, and union thug intimidation.

  • IJB
    • Bill S

      without at least explaining yourself.

      • IJB

        (I’d rather let people who are better at making those arguments, like Marcus, make them, then make a lame attempt myself.)

  • Marcus_Traianus

    We?re going to eventually end up with permanent income supports for these people, so get used to it.

    You will have to walk me through that one my friend.

    I say take the job at a lower rate of pay and deal with it. Yes, it sucks and it is the new reality. But there are plenty of people waking up to the same reality and they are not holding onto another few months of taxpayers money to let it sink in. They have pride and want a job, not a handout.

    This economy is in for some big changes and for once I wholeheartedly agree with Bill Gross’ prognostication. We have tried to build an economy on “knowledge” jobs and forgone manufacturing. That approach is a miserable failure and we need to selectively regain a stable, diversified job base. Unfortunately that means lower pay to compete with the developing world.

    The choice is jobs with lower pay or a new group of permanent welfare recipients in an economy that already can’t afford the public assistance/Social Security commitments. I’ll take jobs any day.

    • texasgalt

      I am with you- I sure hope not. I often wonder, in the context of our times, how we ever fulfilled our manifest destiny.

      It’s time to go back to work, America.

    • MrMosis

      would be nice if Francis could expound on what exactly he meant by that…

      • izoneguy

        Is that eventually you will run out of other people’s money…….

        Increase in cost of unemployment insurance slams Colorado firms
        Premiums more than quadruple for some as the state fund has a shortfall.

        http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_16765083

        Businesses are being hit with large premium increases to prop up Colorado’s broke unemployment-insurance fund.

        In notices that went out over the past two weeks, some firms are facing rates that have more than quadrupled from last year.
        “I had to pick myself up off the floor after I opened the letter,” said Linda Greene, owner of Westminster-based Merry Maids North. Her first-quarter premium for 2011 will be $2,200, compared with $497 a year earlier.

        “Money doesn’t just fall out of the sky, so I’m going to have to totally rework my budget and hope for the best,” said Greene, who employs 28 workers.

        The Colorado Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund covers the cost of payments to jobless workers. Record numbers of unemployment claims caused the fund to go broke this year, forcing Colorado to borrow, so far, $368.5 million from the U.S. government.

        Taxes, Health Insurance, Unemployment insurance…..
        are strangling small business. And when states “borrow” from the U.S. Government, where do you think that money comes from?
        It comes from those same business’s that pay the taxes or it comes from borrowing – mainly from the Chinese.

    • Bill S

      unless you have been in that position. There is an entire class of more-than-GED-educated people out there now who have been displaced by a number of factors, and many of them are in the age bracket where it’s too late to retrain and too early to go on SSI. Now I suppose you can blithely wave your arms and say “screw ‘em, they should just die and decrease the surplus population” or you can say “this is a problem we have to deal with.” In case you haven’t noticed, Wal Mart greeter jobs ain’t exactly falling off the trees either.

      This is a real issue that requires attention beyond “deal with it, it sucks”.

      • JadedByPolitics

        • Bill S

          In fact, I think I’ll endorse Barack on the front page next, and maybe I’ll call for passage of the DREAM act and for us to pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq and to stop the filibuster, too.

          GMAB.

          • JadedByPolitics

            begin to express how UN Conservative it is to talk about “taking care” in perpetuity a sub group of Americans based upon their inability to rework their brains and or fingers to find meaningful work until such time as their SS kicks in, that is well crazy. Now I know you well enough to know that you are a Conservative but I have to say the “conversations” that are being had by Conservatives about taking care of certain segments of Americans is not very Conservative.

            I ask how in the hell did the GREATEST generation who were born during the depression and then fought a WW and came back and built a nation that seems to have softshoed hard work ever happen? It is not my job nor yours nor the Federal Governments to “take care” of people that is how we are in this mess now. It is the job of the Federal Government to get out of the way so that business can grow and hire and keep people taking care of themselves and their families. I am not a coldhearted person but nor am I a fool, when you keep giving, people keep taking and eventually you have Europe.

      • acat

        Company I used to work for hired a couple older folk via an Illinois government program that did a very in depth skill inventory – looking at everything a person has learned to do over a lifetime…

        (a very dense skill inventory – if someone said “I was a riveter for 20 years” the follow up might be “Yes, but do you know how to drive a stick shift? How about a truck? How big a truck? Ever use a drill press? Table saw? Band saw? Do you know how to type? How are your telephone skills? Do you play any instruments? Can you read music or sing? Can you cook?” …)

        We ended up with guys who had spent years in industry and we had them doing somewhat menial stuff, but .. we made them part of the team, and used whatever skills they had that we could apply.

        It wasn’t a perfect solution – the pay was still dreadfully low, but .. part of the problem with UI is that the guys on it aren’t doing anything, and that eventually causes physical problems.

        Mew

      • IJB

        The fact is, people in those higher age-brackets are not going to get the same level of high-wage jobs again. That’s just a fact.

        If the choice is between them taking a lower-paying job for a few years until retirement, or them being on permanent-UI/welfare, I (like the other poster in, I think, this thread) will choose having them go into the lower-paying jobs, every single time.

        Those people *are* “hire-able” – they’re just not “hire-able” in the same kind of jobs.

        • Bill S

          But someone who knows only one thing needs time to get to a point of doing something different. It may just take a while to get there.

          • The_Gadfly

            that “We?re going to eventually end up with permanent income supports for these people, so get used to it.”

            For someone who has been as good as he has been in the past at the complete analysis on these things, that was a stupid statement.

            It implies a constant future payment on par with current UI expenditures being paid by companies. That means MUCH lower future job growth when we already know we are skating on thin ice with our debt appetite without that cost.

      • Marcus_Traianus

        Is dealing with it giving folks false hope that their old job/pay will return in the future by kicking out another few months of assistance?

        I completely empathize with anyone in this situation and the horrible choices they are confronted with. But it is time to reevaluate one’s position and regroup because our economy has fundamentally changed for the foreseeable future. And it is not for the better.

        I suppose some folks genuinely need the assistance and it will truly buy them much needed time. But if people are making the same choice they would have made prior to the extension, I am not sure how that benefits anyone.

      • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics
    • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

      I think needs clarification

  • http://www.naitonsofrumi.blogspot.com eomonroe00

    this tax bill should never have been extended, to even sell it as a rasie in taxes if left to expire is not fair, it was a temporary decrease, set to expire, you cannot call it a tax hike by letting it play out -

    -obama should not have done this, its a republican idea, that FAILED-little to no jobs were created from this from 2000-2006 ( just cause you say cutting tax makes jobs doesnt make it true) , why the hell would a democrat, who won a campaign, on the idea of change, keep the same old non working policy? its the most retarded thing i can think of. What is the deal with all these democrats begging for republican approval? That is one thing i respect about Bush II he passed whatever he wanted, no if’s and’s or but’s , this guy passes whatever the other side wants-

    • IJB

      And to burn a 1+-year old account on such mediocrity!

      Oh, well – you can’t teach a Leftie common sense… [sigh]

    • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

      Shoo.

    • Aaron Gardner
  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    I wish anyone good luck with just quarrantining this to older, economically displaced workers. We start getting class after class of unemployable liberal arts majors as well. All of them claim grievance under similar gravamen and are also put on UI for perpituity.

    If I look at this from the moral point of view of a basilisk, why should I care enough to go to work this AM again? This is a question that increasing numbers of Americans will answer in a short term manner athwart our national commonweal.

    • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • victrola

    Republicans are eventually going to have to stand up to Democrats on this issue, it’s become a backdoor source welfare, just with a different name.

    99 weeks plus of “unemployment” is absurd, and I imagine the majority of Americans also find it infuriating that they’ve had to work for the last 2 years while other Americans have been sitting on their butt collecting a check.

    I definitely agree with the column that the tax deal is good for America and the economy, REALLY good for Obama, and really bad for Republicans, as it takes away their most potent issue in 2012.

    • IJB

      I’m not a fan of this deal, but it doesn’t “take” this issue away – this is but a 2-year extension of the tax rates, which means the issue will have to be taken up again, right around the 2012 campaign season. So it’ll be front-and-center for our guys in just 2 short years.

      • victrola

        Just as Obama broke his promise NOT to extend these tax rates, he’ll say during the election something along the lines of, “The economy is in worse shape than we expected, so we plan on keeping the current rates.” Then it’s no longer an issue that favors Republicans, and his liberal base is not going to leave him on this.

        If the deal is two years from Dec 31 2010, that means it won’t actually have to be signed until AFTER the election, in which case Obama can then do whatever he wants, win or lose.

        It’s going to be almost impossible for a Republican nominee in 2012 to take on Obama for his tax policy.

        • JSobieski

          Play it out:

          The R House will pass a permanent extension or even better, cuts prior to the 2012 elections.

          D Senators will be pressued to sign on. They will either vote for it or vote against it and sign their own political graves.

          It will be darn easy to a Republican Presidential Candidate to push Obama to either help cuts through the Senate, or be labeled as someone in favor of increases.

          There are lots of leverage points here. Putting pressure on the D Senate is a win win for our side.

  • johnt

    found other employment, who arranged for some additional security before hand, who thereafter was never out of work, and who did this in the “changing economy”, I have doubts about Mr Cianfroccas assurance of a new, and huge, dependent class.
    Of course if we create the cushion, or welfare program, he mentions, it’s arrival and continued existence are more assured. Just what we need, give people a check and they will sit, and sit, and sit.
    Loosen the purse strings of a relatively free economy, allow for and encourage the formation of capital and there will be the seeking of gainful work that most people wish for, regardless of age.
    I say this in full awareness of the current trends, & grant their deliberately destructive aims.

  • freemanja1991

    I cannot support the estate tax at any level even with exemptions. It is wrong, since it has been taxed all through someone’s life. It is so gross, Uncle Sam saying, “sorry you mom died now i want my chunk of what she gave you”. This must be changed. We need a new tax amendment. Stating there may be a national sales tax or income tax, not both, a VAT would be considered a sales tax. There shall be no Capitol Gains tax or Estate Tax. It should put caps on the % of income or sales tax.
    I wish we would slash all tax rates and do away with deductions.

  • The_Gadfly

    but I hope you are back to your old self really soon. The only thing you got right in this column is that this deal is a really big win for The Big 0.

    To maintain the status quo, and ONLY to maintain the status quo, Republicans have traded away:

    * 13 months of unemployment that will stifle new job creation.
    * The tax reducer banner to The Big 0 for his 2 point reduction on payroll taxes. What worse, at only 2 years, and going directly to employees it won’t actually increase job hiring, which was the reason given for advancing it. And it will further balloon an already unsustainable deficit.
    * All the previous stimulus “tax credits” to people who aren’t paying income taxes which will be ANOTHER ballooning on the unsustainable deficit.
    * a 35% increase on estate taxes, albeit only on those over $5 million. The estate tax was DEAD. Worse, this was a self-inflicted wound from Jon Kyl.

    Republicans in the House should make an unprecedented bipartisan stand with Democrats in rejecting this bad deal for the American public. The poison it contains may take longer to kill us, but it is just as toxic long term and more addictive than the one we have already taken.

  • JSobieski

    “Hard-core anti-Social Security types on our side have long wanted to reduce the payroll tax, just to prove to everyone that SS is just another current expense, and not truly an insurance benefit.”

    There is a downside to this. If SS becomes just another expenditure, payroll taxes could be ditched all together for a “more progressive” system under which 40% of the population would pay no taxes rather than merely no income taxes. If income taxes were raised to replace payroll taxes, income tax rates would rise and overall tax collection would become hyper-progressive to what they are now.

    I side with conservatives who want to show that SS is just another expenditure and would support means testing as another step in that process. However, there is a danger that the tax structure would become even more progressive.

    • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
      • JSobieski

        nt

        • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
    • itrytobenice

      It was sold as a payroll tax refund and has been expanded to a full powered welfare check.

      It’s time to call a spade a spade and get rid of the payroll tax and show SS and Medicare as what they are: current expenses of the taxpayers.

  • http://theconservativecrawfish.wordpress.com/ reelman

    Highlights of the proposed bipartisan tax cutting agreement announced Monday by President Barack Obama.

    _ Extends all tax rates approved under President Bush for two more years for all taxpayers. Republicans wanted a permanent extension. Obama wanted to extend the current tax rates only to households earning less than $250,000.
    ***this 1-2 year stuff must stop…its never going to be long enough for a strong lasting recovery and the dems know that…so they can point to it as a failure by late 2011…an issue to run on of course…the economy is such that only a permanent lower rate can work…so this is problem #1***

    _ Applies a 35 percent tax for two years on estates worth more than $5 million. The Obama administration had proposed a 45 percent rate with a $3.5 million threshold.
    ***the voters want less gov-meant and the death tax is odious, simply odious and nothing less than a permanent zero is really American or constitutional…its not the government’s money***

    _ Extends unemployment insurance for 13 months, providing benefits to two million long-term unemployed workers in December and seven million over the next year.
    ***this is hush money welfare that means more borrowed billions for a broke America…wrong on all levels***

    _ Cuts payroll taxes by 2 percentage points for 2011 for a total of $120 billion. That means employees will pay 4.2 percent to Social Security instead of 6.2 percent. A worker who earns $40,000 a year would get $800 over the year; a worker who makes $70,000 would get $1,400.
    ***once again this 1-2 year baloney must stop, make this permanent, stop the teasing with about $75 a month which won’t fill your truck gas tank thanks to blocking the drilling***

    _ Extends increases in the Earned Income Tax Credit, the child credit and tuition credits adopted in the 2009 economic stimulus package that were set to expire.
    ***instead of this, permanently cut income taxes 5%…its past time to be bold or we will not recover in this decade…the U6 number is about 16%, that means 1/6 are jobless…which is intolerable***

    _ Allows businesses to write off 100 percent of their capital investments for tax purposes during 2011. The current write-off is 50 percent.
    ***another short term for show only move by the demo-socialsts instead of 5 years needed to launch a recovery…same ole baloney half measures that history and economic law tells us work if given a lot more time, more up-and-down guaranteed failure***

    The bottom line here is simply more rope-a-dope by the socialist Party that will not give America the robust long term jolts that history proves work.
    Now the heavy lifting, the FEDERAL 2011 cuts and freezes required to save a bankrupt America 13 trillion in the red thanks to 4 years of democrats spending our tax money like there is no tomorrow. Well, its the day after tomorrow NOW!

    http://theconservativecrawfish.wordpress.com

    • GT350

      “this 1-2 year stuff must stop?” I completely agree with you. Economics shows that temporary tax cuts are saved, while permanent tax cuts are spent or invested.

      Small businesses in particular need to believe that the tax regime will remain unchanged in order to make long term plans like expanding, hiring, and growing. If they think that taxes are likely going to go up again in 2012, then they will not. So I don’t think this temporary extension will help create jobs as much as a permanent extension would.

      Consumers also will be less likely to make long term changes in lifestyle (buying a first or larger house, buying a new car, putting their kid in a more expensive private school) if they think that it will just be reversed in the short term. So the short-term cut will just be dedicated to paying down debt. That’s not a terrible outcome, but it’s suboptimal.

      On the other hand, I’m having too much fun reveling in the tears of liberals who are completely, utterly gutted by Obama’s betrayal. That makes up for the disappointment I’m feeling with the temp-vs-perm tax cut issue.

  • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics

    First it will go to the O’s victory column as I predicted back here http://www.redstate.com/roguepolitics/2010/11/04/a-tale-of-two-cities/

    It won’t be the last compromise that helps get him re-elected.

    Second we get to create a new entitlement class with permanent supports for UI.
    “Millions” of voters who won’t forget which side went to bat for them

    Are we going to start burying the dead in the pike position so they are easier to screw? Was this a sop to Barney?

    Excellent analysis above Marcus.

    We have NO REASON to be compromising with EVIL.

    This is the beginning of the sellout if we let them.

    THEAmericanDriveIn.com

    • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics
      • JadedByPolitics

        The whole point of the last election was to rid this Country of Obamacare and WE The People have spoken and ANYONE who votes for funding for Obamacare will be on the primary list of those to go home in 2012! Do you hear me Mr. Boehner?

  • LeaveMeAlone

    …will put a few more dollars into the employees’ pockets.

    The fact that there’s now some certainty for an employer’s hiring costs (notwithstanding the murkiness that is Obamacare) also helps, but there’s more that could be done.

    If they really wanted to help hiring, there could have been a corresponding reduction in the employer’s share of the payroll tax.

    Again, we see a proposal directed at buying votes, rather than boosting employment, and in the process increasing overall revenues, even at the lower rates.

  • E Pluribus Unum

    It’s the best case I’ve seen for being pleased with the deal — and I don’t pretend you are a cheerleader here, just giving your straight-up assessment.

    And I offer one point in favor of my own (which I haven’t really seen elsewhere). By keeping all the Bush tax cuts together, we get to re-fight this battle, on exactly the same terms, on terrain more to our advantage.

    Let’s say the agreement was to make permanent all the tax cuts under $250k, and those above get extended for 2 years. Then in 2 years we have a battle solely on preserving “tax cuts for the rich”.

    But I hate the deal. I absolutely hate it. We were holding higher cards than this, and as Brian Darling suggested today, as this deal wends its way through Congress, it’ll get worse, not better.

  • realskinny

    I was wrong if such apologias as this make it to the front. Last week all the talk was of the need to cut the deficit (spending). This deal will cost about $150 billion we don’t have. For all of the reasons spelled out above, this is a bad deal and shows all those who said the Republicans could not be relied upon were right, at least as far as the Senate goes.

    The Democrats were willing to extend current rates for all but the top so all we got was that extension. The Bolshevics got a wish list and we’re back where we were two years ago except $ 5 trillion further in debt. Really something to celebrate. I run up credit card balances to help get these guys elected and Mitch McConnell says “Bend over”.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      Francis also writes under his own name.

  • izoneguy

    Small-Biz Killers: Who Pays for Jobless Benefits?

    http://michellemalkin.com/2010/12/08/small-biz-killers-who-pays-for-jobless-benefits/

    All of the reps & Senators in D.C. need to read this.

    • texasgalt

      and I got our new Texas Workforce “Tax Rate Notice” for our unemployment liability.

      Not happy.

      As I now calculate my tax liabilities we will be in the area of 46% which includes:
      (1) Federal Tax, (2) TX Margins Tax, (3) SUTA (state unemployment tax) (4)
      FUTA (federal unemployment tax) (5) TX property taxes & this doesn’t include all the sales and excise taxes.

      Now, depending on what the congress actually does on the “tax deal”, that our effective tax rate may go up to just shy of 50%.

      If they keep the 100% depreciation in the deal, our federal tax liability may be near zero, but we’ll catch-up and get killed the next 2 years.

      Plan that.