It didn’t take long for many in Congress to ignore the will of the American people on earmarking special projects for states and districts. The Tea Party movement has a long way to convince members of both parties that the corrupting and wasteful practice of earmarking has to end. Later this month, Senators Jim DeMint (R-SC), John McCain (R-AZ) and Tom Coburn (R-OK) are expected to have to fight against an Omnibus Appropriations bill on the Senate floor in the Lame Duck session that is expected to be loaded up with earmarks.
According to National Journal (subscription required), some Senate Democrats and Republicans are teaming up with House Democrats to earmark.
Senate Democrats and Republicans don’t agree on much, but they appear to have found common ground in favor of the practice of congressionally directed spending, also known as earmarking.
The Senate will come back into session the week of November 15th and Congress is expected to complete the appropriations work for Fiscal Year 2011. Rumors have been swirling on Capitol Hill that some Senate Republicans have been teaming up with House Democrats to craft an Omnibus Appropriations bill, one that would fund all discretionary agencies for the year. That Omnibus spending bill may be loaded with earmarks.
National Journal reports that House Republican Leaders are solidly against earmarking. The House Republican conference has adopted a rule against earmarking and they are expected to pass the same rule for the next Congress:
Rep. Eric Cantor, R-Va., who is seeking to become House majority leader in the Republican-run House next year, this week called for an extension of the current House Republican earmark moratorium. Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio, next year’s likely House speaker, is expected to heed Cantor’s call and seek to extend the ban to the current fiscal year, which began October 1.
Congressman Jerry Lewis (R-CA) is outraged that Republican Senators are secretly crafting an Omnibus budget busting spending bill, in order to cut out House Republicans who would oppose the measure’s size and inclusion of earmarks.
According to a story posted on Government Executive:
In what could be a preview of clashes between Republican purists and pragmatists, the top Republican on the House Appropriations Committee on Thursday blasted plans by Senate Republicans to collaborate with Democrats and push through a $1 trillion catch-all spending bill. “Any effort by you or the present Democrat leadership to move a budget-busting omnibus spending measure will be met with my unequivocal opposition,” wrote Rep. Jerry Lewis of California, the committee’s ranking Republican, in a letter to Appropriations Chairman David Obey, D-Wis. “Further, I will strongly encourage every Republican Member of the Committee, my leadership, and the entire Republican Conference to oppose such legislation.”
National Journal is not the only outlet reporting this deal. The Hill reports that House Republicans are worried that lobbyists have teamed up with pro-earmark forces in Congress to load the Omnibus with earmarks.
The two biggest points of contention are likely to be the overall spending level and whether earmarks are included. The House GOP leader, Rep. John Boehner (Ohio), joined more than four dozen Republicans in signing a letter to Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) earlier this month calling for no earmarks to be included in the omnibus legislation. “Taxpayers deserve to have appropriations legislation considered in an open and transparent process,” the lawmakers wrote in the letter, which was drafted by Rep. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), a prominent earmark foe. “At a minimum, taxpayers should be protected from thousands of unvetted earmarks, produced by a process driven by a spoils system, being stuffed into any end-of-year appropriations measure and shielded from review.” Democrats may balk at that request, particularly if they lose control of the House. The omnibus would be the last opportunity to fund pet projects while the party has full control of the budget process. “Democrats are hell-bent on getting their earmarks,” said one appropriations lobbyist.
The newly formed group Taxpayers Against Earmarks has an excellent explanation of the evils of the earmarking process.
What’s an earmark? In general, it is a provision inserted in the text of a Congressional bill or report that allocates money or a tax benefit for a specific project, program, or organization, circumventing a merit-based or competitive allocation process. There are many reasons to be “against earmarks.” Earmarks provide federal funding for projects benefiting only a state or local interest, or a private company, university or non-profit. In other words, most earmark-funded projects do not benefit the nation as a whole — though the “giving” of an earmark by a Member of Congress certainly benefits that Member. While spending on earmarks may be a small percentage of the overall federal budget, the dollar amount and number of earmarks (over 9,000 earmarks totaling over $15 billion last year alone) is still quite large. And this is saying nothing of the fact that the 535 Members of the House and Senate last year requested over 40,000 earmarks!
Congressman Jeff Flake (R-AZ) defines an earmark for a video put out by Taxpayers Against Earmarks.
Jeff Emanuel
Neil Stevens
Caleb Howe
Daniel Horowitz
Lori Ziganto
Good God!!
jtlfrommd Saturday, November 6th at 9:32AM EDT (link)When will it ever end? That’s my money you’re playing with. I’d like to have it back sir.
EARMARKS
sirjason (Diary) Monday, November 8th at 7:41PM EDT (link)I believe a certain amount of monies should be allocated to the States population according to the latest Census for their particular needs that are voted on by their constituents and re-negotiated after the next Census!
This would force ALL legislation to be FREE of ‘earmarks’ and allow ONLY legislation pertaining to the subject to become law.
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Jason Leverette, Patriot
Whatever evolves was first, created-
Semper Fidelis
One of the leadership qualifications...
Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 9:32AM EDT (link)should be holding the Republicans in Congress together on this issue. If Boehner and McConnell can’t pull this off then they don’t deserve those honored positions and it is proof nothing has changed.
Over are the days of watching McConnell say “Aw shucks” as Republicans defect on key issues of principal.
What’s going to happen when we have the conversation about our debt limit? Will our leadership have the moxy to stick it out and watch Obama dip into Federal Pension Funds, alla Clinton, to finance the Democrats debt load? Unless I start to see otherwise my bet is they fold like lawns chairs.
“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson
McConnell loves earmarks.
1volunteer Saturday, November 6th at 10:14AM EDT (link)He is notorious for bringing home the bacon to Kentucky. I fear that his heart will not be in the fight against earmarks unless he thinks that in the new climate he could get more votes by opposing them than by getting them.
I recall that President Obama was against earmarks on the campaign trail, promising to veto them. Upon signing his first budget he said that he would let them slip by that time, but no more. Will he honor his word?
'Honor' and 'Obama' do not belong in the same sentence
MF (Diary) Monday, November 8th at 12:27PM EDT (link)unless it’s of the form, There is no honor in Obama.
Decorate the Mall with corpses !
mark1957 Saturday, November 6th at 9:36AM EDT (link)There are plenty of trees that line the mall, hang the corrupt bastards.
Mark W. Martin
I really prefer christmas lights to corpses, Mark.
acat (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 10:03AM EDT (link)Besides, as VB points out, it’s more effective to just make their lives outside D.C. a bit of a hell.
When they’re eating, don’t let ‘em enjoy their waffles, ask ‘em questions about their votes for TARP.
When the significant other is shopping, or shooting, or otherwise “living life”, walk over and ask about what the hell the senator was thinking with a vote for Obamacare.
A few months or years of that and they, like illegal immigrants in Arizona, will self-relocate to less public jobs.
Mew
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Moe Lane (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 10:41AM EDT (link)And by ‘thanks for stopping by’ I mean ‘get off of our website.’
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I want names, and I want primary challengers.... [nt]
acat (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 9:45AM EDT (link)——

Caveat Suffragator
Be heard.
rsjt Saturday, November 6th at 10:07AM EDT (link)I think one of the biggest issues conservatives faced the last time Republicans controlled the House was complacency. Too many of us assumed our representatives would do what was right and we failed to hold them accountable. We failed by not making our voices heard. We failed. It does not matter if your representatives are republican or democrat, conservative or liberal, lame duck or incoming freshmen, THEY NEED TO HEAR FROM US. And on every issue if possible. Put their numbers in your speed dial and call regularly. Because if we don’t make our voices heard we will be the ones to blame. It is in our hands now as to whether or not this election matters.
And yes, if the don’t listen we fire them too.
Jerry Lewis called king of earmarks
Locke (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 10:39AM EDT (link)http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2008/05/jerry-lewis-may-be-king-of-earmarks-but.html
“This one is all about Republicans and their refusal to give up their power to spend money at will and pass out “earmarks” like a bartender offering drinks on the house. The chief culprits are the House Appropriators, led by Committee Chairman Jerry Lewis of California and his 13 subcommittee chairmen known as “cardinals.”"
Cited as Wall Street Journal, but the original is no longer available or behind a subscriber wall.
And he’s now leading the fight against bloated spending?
Jerry Lewis - Good Work!!!
Brian Darling (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 11:07AM EDT (link)If you win the appropriators on earmarks, then you have won the war. Kudos to Lewis. Good work.
Too bad that understanding of the will of the voters is not held by others on the other side of Capitol Hill.
You think he's born again? Or is my sarcasm detector not working? nt
Locke (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 7:45PM EDT (link)Leadership choice procedures
Locke (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 11:01AM EDT (link)In looking for stuff on Jerry Lewis, I came across this excellent article by Michael Barone from 2006.
http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/barone/2006/12/08/house-seniority-and-committee-leadership.html
Name names
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 11:04AM EDT (link)Brian
Name names and give us some telephone numbers and email addresses.
Nothing like Pitch Forks, Torches, flaming phone lines along with the always popular snarky email to let “them” know we’re watching.
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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests
I don't have names
Brian Darling (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 11:12AM EDT (link)That is the problem here.
Evidently, Senate Republican appropriation staffers have been working with House Democrats to cut a deal on a bloated Omnibus. These guys are smart. They have preserved plausible deniability by deploying staffers to do the dirty work. If they get caught, then they run away from the deal and claim they did not know about these discussions.
Look at the list of Senate Republican appropriators and retiring members and you have a good pool of members who are probably in on this expensive deal.
When the lights come on....
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 11:19AM EDT (link)Brian
Well then it’s like Roaches, when the lights come on the roaches scurry about and out.
Is there not one staffer, one Senator who has the guts to lay down a marker and say NO very loudly and name names? What’s the worst that will happen, the R. Porkers won’t like you?
With the election over, the evidence is there for all to see, Obama, Porker Republicans, they need to be reminded, NO MORE SPENDING….NO MORE EARMARKS!
Hey, I know sounds like a job for the Senate’s “Mr. Congeniality”, Johnny Mac. Urinating on R’s is one of his favorite sports, well Senator McCain here’s some urinating that people will like….Find out who’s going for the pork and start naming names.
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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests
Deniability like that may work in normal times. Times are not normal.
acat (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 11:46AM EDT (link)Which senators are in a position to do this?
There’s enough vitriol to light up *all* their phones…
Thinking about it, that kind of “broadside” tactic might help here… if a Senator has staffers in the mix, they get a “whiff of grapeshot”.
If another Senator is waffly, they get the idea that maybe waffling on this is a Bad Idea.
If a Senator is actually opposed to this, they come in knowing We the People are behind them.
Just a thought.
Mew
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Great idea!
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 12:20PM EDT (link)How about the first “project” for RS and this post election period of time?
The “outing” of Republican Porkers on the front page of Red State with a plea to contact these Porkers to let them know how you feel about their Porker ways.
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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests
Shelby & Murkowski
After Seven (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 6:46PM EDT (link)If their hands don’t smell of pork from this omnibus ‘project’ i’ll be very surprised.
This post is so infuriating i’ll just stop here and concur with the suggestion that redstate post names when available.
“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the Federal Government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State Governments are numerous and indefinite.” ~ James Madison
(Federalist 45)
Shelby is one of the worst!
soljerblue Monday, November 8th at 1:08PM EDT (link)He was re-elected here in Alabama to his fifth Senate term with 66 percent of the vote. He will act as if he had a blank check viz earmarks. He has done some good stuff in the past with badly needed road funding, and much support of the state’s defense industry: Redstone, Rucker, Maxwell, Marshall, NASA, etc. BUT — he has also showered us with piddling stuff like dollars for the local volunteer FD, yada yada yada.
It will take some serious opposition from House Republicans and a few DeMint allies in the Senate to put a cork in this guy. I truly despair of it ever being done in his case.
Great post Brian
fpete13527 (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 12:09PM EDT (link)As per TPM article, http://bit.ly/a8Hn8P, here are some “probables.” I heard there a lot more.
Sens. Kit Bond (R-MO), Judd Gregg (R-NH), Bob Bennett (R-UT), Sam Brownback (R-KS), George Voinovich (R-OH), and (possibly) Lisa Murkowski (I-AK).
(Oh my my Lisa on the list. Why am I not surprised)
KBH should be added even though she is not retiring.
As commented earlier, here is a chance to see if Mc(earmrk)Connell shows any leadership (not).
It is very shoddy journalism
Adjoran (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 4:23PM EDT (link)to neither name names OR sources. Without either, it’s just an unverifiable accusation. A waste of time. Unless, of course, the purpose is just to smear broadly.
When even Jerry Lewis – not exactly known for his tight-fisted fiscal policies – is warning against earmarks in the Omnibus, how can we take these vague claims seriously?
Why would anyone pay good money for a yellow rag like National Journal?
Dear Adjoran
Brian Darling (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 1:26PM EDT (link)Funny that you claim that my piece is “shoddy journalism” without “names OR sources” yet you don’t use your actual name in your blog post in reponse to my piece. You might be one of those staffers in the room cutting the deal for all we know or a lobbyist recipient of an earmark. Why would you defend earmarks in your post and trash the National Journal?
I am not a journalist. I am more of a news analyst. If you read the post, I have cited three sources of authority in my piece. Two sourced from the National Journal and one from The Hill.
If I am incorrect, then prove me wrong an I shall issue an apology. If you are incorrect, please stop commenting on my pieces, because I worry that you have a motive to discredit my piece and the National Journal.
And it is not unlike politicians to say one thing and do another???
davesinsanantonio (Diary) Monday, November 8th at 6:36AM EDT (link)Nor is it unlike politicians to put up smoke to see which way the wind is actually blowing. If they can say there are lots of earmarks and get no response from the electorate, then they know it can be business as usual.
Never give politicians credit for having integrity, or for having the good of the country at heart until they actually do the things that are best in the long run, and keep their word on everything.
Here’s two things I wrote elsewhere:
If you make a promise that you have no intention of keeping, you are a liar and have no integrity. If you make a promise that you do not keep you have no integrity. If you make a promise and try your best to keep it, but fall short, you are ineffective and probably have over promised and your possession of integrity is questionable. If you make a promise and keep it you have done your duty and you may have integrity. If you make a promise and keep it, even though it cost you more than you expected in time, effort or resources, or maybe caused you some loss or pain, you have integrity. Measure your current politician against this standard.
– David E. Shaffer
Politicians: Mostly those overenthusiastic, addled, or malevolent amateurs who want to be in charge of your life because they are either too lazy, too incompetent, or too full of themselves to get a real job, who believe this definition does not apply to them.
— David E. Shaffer
An early test for Boehner and the Rep leaders - the Appropriations Committee
Locke (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 11:15AM EDT (link)Hal Rogers seems no better than Lewis.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/11/06/1910821/rogers-will-need-to-slash-earmarks.html
I want names
annas Saturday, November 6th at 12:16PM EDT (link)And email addresses!
Has anyone else noticed the change in the discriptor of Liberal Republicans..."The Pragmatic Coaltion" or is it just me...
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 1:11PM EDT (link)a new name for Liberal Republicrats has entered the lexicon. I’ve seen it in dozens of articles lately.
The term Moderate has become such a derisive and derogatory term that it’s rarely uttered without spitting in contempt.
So I guess the word has gone out that Liberal Republicans are to be called “pragmatists”. I’ve seen articles talking about a “Coalition of Pragmatists” and a “Pragmatic Caucus”.
Just like the press has decided to call Liberals “Progressives”.
The meme is going to be that this pragmatic caucus has been formed as a foil for the extremists and purists as represented by the Tea Party movement.
Mark my word…this is the way the Republican Main Street Partnership, The Republican Leadership Conference, and the the Tuesday Group started their subversion and the press is carrying their water.
I think "the bullseye caucus" may be better...
acat (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 1:33PM EDT (link)As in “these are the guys holding the targets for the Tea Partiers” …
They’re not “pragmatic”, except where their own careers are concerned. That’s a lever we can use, by the way….
Mew
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BTW...I say that by way of saying who those "Pragmatic Senators are".
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 1:50PM EDT (link)And they are all members of the RMSP. Lindsey Graham, Susan Collins, Olympia Snow….and the one that dropped out to run for President…One John Sydney McCain
Oh...I forgot the Senator Elect who will be sworn in for the lame duck session....One Mark Kirk nt
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 1:53PM EDT (link)Kirk to miss part of lame-duck session
izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 1:59PM EDT (link)Kirk to miss part of lame-duck session
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/politics&id=7769115&rss=rss-wls-article-7769115
Illinois Republican Mark Kirk won’t be seated in the U.S. Senate in time for the start of the lame duck session of Congress this month — unlike two other newly elected senators.
The session begins Nov. 15. But state officials say the paperwork officially declaring Kirk the winner of the Senate race won’t be delivered until Nov. 29.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Funny how that works out izoneguy
Scope (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 4:57PM EDT (link)When Republicans win seats to be filled immediately like Kirk, there’s always that pesky paperwork issue to delay things. On the other hand, Manchin and Coons aren’t measuring the drapes, they have already been installed. Even Roland Burris, appointed by an already disgraced Governor managed to put his cheeks on the seat almost immediately, and, in time to vote for Ocare.
Same thing happened to Scott Brown
The_Rebel (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 5:42PM EDT (link)His seating after the special election was delayed for 2 weeks.
Heh...good point Scope
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 8:31PM EDT (link)Anyway…it’d be a moot point anyway if the Dummycrats stick with putting up Crap and Tread as advertised since Kirk voted for it in the house.
His election is a mixed blessing. It would have been better if he made 50 or 51…as I see it now…he’s there as an R but might as well be a D since they will be able to depend on his votes on more legislation that the Rs will in him blocking anything.
I held my peace on him during the election but now I will say…I would vote for Castle over him any day of the week
I just noticed...McCin is now listed as an RMSP member again
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 3:35PM EDT (link)funny how that works isn’t it? They dropped his name as a member when he was acting like a Conservative to run for President and for Re-Election…Now he’s back and publicly listed as a member.
He wasn’t listed there a month or two ago…his name has gone back up sometime between the AZ primary election and now…
Looks like Mac will be reverting to his old self soon…
Get over it Ace.
mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 3:45PM EDT (link)We need to be thinking about who we can actually impact, like maybe KBH in your home state. If she runs, can Michael Williams take her out in a primary?
How about getting Hatch out of the Senate.
Those are things we can actually DO in ’12. McCain is in. He says he’s done after this term and we can fix it then with a real candidate who’s a real conservative. Oh, and if we had spent just 10% of the money that got pissed away with the JD Hayfool fiasco on AZ07 and AZ08 we’d have two more real, staunch conservatives in the House.
We need to stop tilting at windmills just because we think it feels good for the moment. At best it accomplishes nothing, at worst it is counterproductive. And usually, it’s the “worst” that happens.
Oh, and just watch for the next session and see if McCain doesn’t make Obama’s life miserable more often that he irritates you and me.
We need to get Jason Chaffetz to run for Utah Senate
calgacus (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 4:32PM EDT (link)If he runs he will win. Bob Bennett was caught off guard. Hatch will have time to prepare but I do not think people will forget any time soon.
I can walk and chew gum at the same time mbecker and if you want to shill for McCain...do it with someone else
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 8:41PM EDT (link)I’m simply making an observation that once again proves McCain to be a fraud of the first order….he ran away from the RMSP over the last couple years and now his name is up in lights on their site again.
I hadn’t heard he said he was done after this term…that’s good news….now we’ll have to make sure he doesn’t appoint Megan to replace him so we won’t have to deal with another entitled rich brat put in place by her daddy like Murkowski.
As for the mone that was pissed away on his over the top campaign against Hayworth….JD did us a favor because Johnny Boy wasn’t able to funnel tens of millions to Trey Grayson, Mike Castle, Charlie Crist, and the rest of the left wing Republicrats he’d have been propping up.
I’m not tilting at windmills…there is a method to my madness…to bad you can’t see that.
As for this:
I hope you’re right…I really do…but be ready for me to serve you a plate of crow if you’re wrong because I see him going back to form now that he has his pompous ass firmly planted in washington for another 6 years.
I'm not shilling for anybody. Especially McCain.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 12:16AM EDT (link)I’m dealing with reality, and the reality is that he’s ours for six more years. Another reality is that JD Hayfool is a complete buffoon and the people of Arizona did the right thing. Please note that the jerk announced he was going to be a “spokesman” for the “tea party” a couple of months ago and he’s not been heard from since. Thankfully.
There is absolutely no method to your madness. It’s just madness. We have an agenda to assemble and a legislative session to plan for for. Those are real. The rest is crap.
As far as him possibly running again, he might. This time around conservatives in AZ have the time to put together a plan, the money and find a credible candidate who will beat him if necessary. McCain is in his last term. I hope you can say the same for KBH.
I'll say it again...McCain's name is up in lights on the Republican Main Street Partnerships Web site
AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 12:30AM EDT (link)Hayworth has zero to do with that comment. McCain is back to his old stomping grounds and he’ll be back sticking it to us like he always have….yes we have an agenda…mine is a conservative one…McCains is not…he’s a fraud…and if I were a betting man…I’d bet $100 against a box of donuts that he’ll be up to his back handed tricks again since he’s back for another six…beyond that….I have nothing more to say about it
You say you don’t want to shill for him but why is it that every time someone criticizes him…your their to pounce on them…you’ll start out on how you don’t like him but then jam up the criticizer and go off on an anti Hayworth rant.
Maybe the reason is that you’re more a Hayworth hater than a McCain apologist…either way it’s getting hard to tell the difference.
If it’s that your a Hayworth hater….JD’s gone….he served his purpose as far as I’m concerned and I won’t belabor the issue by repeating myself…you know my thoughts on the subject…
I agree vsv KBH and Williams is the guy to take her down by the way…at least we can agree on something in all this
Ace, nobody is "defending" McCain. I think McCain is unversally
JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 1:39AM EDT (link)reviled on this site.
MBecker’s position has been pretty consistent:
McCain is a grumpy curmudgeon who likes to stick it to the President
McCain is popular in Arizona and difficult to unseat
JD is a clown
I needed some convincing on part #3, but I think he’s right on all three. Not sure what you are arguing about. I don’t see anyone defending McCain.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
Actually JS, McCain isn't all that popular, at least on issues
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 2:39AM EDT (link)here in Arizona. People tend to personally respect him though. As far as JD is concerned, people here generally revile him both on issues and personally. I doubt we’ll be seeing him ever again.
He’s beatable in a primary but there is a lot to overcome since the Democratic Party pretty much ceased to exist last week here in AZ, at least with respect to statewide offices. Bottom line is that either McCain or Kyl can raise all the money they want and spend it all in a primary because it will only cost about $2.00 to win the general.
I’d have given about anything if John Shadegg had chosen to run against McCain this year. He could have won.
I'm well aware of MBeckers position on JD...and again that's not the point of what I've posted
AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 10:43AM EDT (link)All I said was….McCain is back on the RMSP web site as a member after having his name missing from their member rolls for the last 3 years.
Mbecker took that as an opportunity to defend McCain and go off on an anti JD rant….
JD is irrelevant here since he has no power or position and is unable to effect anything…
McCain on the other hand has rejoined his cronies with the RMSP and will be compromising and cutting deals like he always has…
MBecker says he’s a grumpy curmudgeon who likes to stick it to the President…and I hope he’s right…but if he’s right…why has a allied himself with the fifth column RMSP.
Another question I have…if McCain is such a pillar of Honor and Integrity…Why did he have his name removed from their rolls for the last three years when he was pretending to be a conservative to win reelection only to re-join them once he’s won reelection….the man is a fraud and I’ve made it my mission to be the thorn in his side that he’s been in all of ours for the last 30 years
In other words...I'll be watching McCin and his participation in such Liberal Republican Groups as the RMSP, RIPON Society, The Tuesday Group
AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 10:50AM EDT (link)The National Foundation for Republican Women, The Republican Youth Majority and other such liberal fifth column organizations set up to compromise with Democrats and move the Republican to the left.
Yeah Ace? So what.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 2:34AM EDT (link)My point has nothing directly to do with Hayfool. It has everything to do with us wasting our time and energy on incumbent Senators when there’s not a damn thing we can do for at least another four years in McCain’s case. At that point we can start working on replacing him.
You are tinkling into a big wind storm with your crap about McCain, unless you’ve got a specific thing we can work on him about with reference to specific upcoming legislation. RMSP is nothing but mental masturbation.
None
of
this
crap
matters
unless it impacts legislation or a specific issue before the Congress. Get over it.
But it does matter MBecker...I'm not focusing on McCain with an eye toward removing him
AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 11:03AM EDT (link)One of the things that set us up for 2006 and 2008 was having McCain and his lackeys….along with coalitions of Liberal Republican groups such as those I’ve listed lucking in the shadows….moving the caucus leftward…sticking in their insidious and destructive agendas into every piece of legislation….and undercutting conservatives at every turn.
I’ve been working on finding out where these groups came from and I can tell you the RMSP and Tuesday Group were founded and set up with seed money from George Soros….Maybe it doesn’t matter to you that McCain is once again allied with them…but I for on will not let them operate from the shadows any more….
I know…I’ll be accused of being a tin foil hat wearer…and obsessed with these crap weasels…but I’m not about to let them continue what they have wrought over the last 16 years.
I’ve alreay had an effect because they’re not out there as in your face as they were when I first started writing on them….because Erick and others here picked up on some of what I had written and put the spot light on them in a way that I can’t
But to say it doesn’t matter to have a George Soros funded organization ensconced in the Republican coalition with the 2008 nominee for POTUS as a proud member just isn’t so…and the fact that you would defend McCain or that organization says more about you than it ever will about me.
Here is their site for those interested...
AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 11:07AM EDT (link)http://www.republicanmainstreet.org/index.php/Allies
They’ve sanitized it a lot and it’s not as viloe and in your face hatefull toward the base is it once was due to the increased scrutiny….but keep an eye on it.
Thanks for the sunlight Ace
Scope (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 12:17PM EDT (link)and I agree with you that these shaddy organizations need to be watched, and who there members are. Over the past 2 years or so, everyone seemed focused on Center for American Progress, but, there has been very little talk about the equally bad Republican organizations. Here are a few more links to info about RMSP-
http://redhampshire.com/charlie-bass-leader-of-the-pac/
http://michellemalkin.com/2005/11/28/exposing-the-main-street-republicans/
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/09/13/the-de-senate-gop-primary-castle-soros-a-health-advisory/
I didn’t know that Castle was the co-founder of the RMSP. I don’t remember hearing McCain come out for or against Castle, but, the disaster he created, Meghan, sure came out against O’Donnell. He was probably using her as his poroxy.
I'm calling Franz Rule.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 1:21PM EDT (link)Ace, really. You’re better than this. Your argument is simply a fool’s paradise. You’re laboring over crap that is nothing more than a six year out “maybe” and an organization that is so marginal today they don’t count. You’re ignoring – or at least using energy that should be focused on today’s fight – the fact that we are going to have an all out out war on our hands for at least the next two years. And then we’ve got a Presidential election to win in ’12 and that is by no means either a done deal or easy.
Franz thought this was appropriate, especially since your little Sancho has jumped in to help…
I’m back to dealing with reality.
Reality
SteveLA (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 1:36PM EDT (link)mbecker
You called it. Senator McCain is not going anywhere for the next 6 years and this is probably his last Rodeo anyway. I somehow doubt that the noise from those that he annoys even registers anymore and his fellow Senators are not going to mess with him ether.
If anything, I look for the bad old Maverick McCain to return soon to send “true conservatives” even further off the deep end as he really has nothing left to care about as a politician who will be 80 years old when his term is up. It’s like what McCain is going to worry about his legacy or turning his seat over to his daughter Megan….
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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests
You're a phony
Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 3:06PM EDT (link)You seem so pleased at the idea that McCain will collaborate with the left.
Just like you were so idle around here when it came to promoting the Whitman campaign. Your ideal campaign, no? Not one ounce of bend in the direction of the “SIVVs.”
In fact I just checked your diary. You spent more time bashing “True Conservatives” with your unsubstantiated claims about them, then you did backing our sainted squish of a nominee.
You’re a fraud, Steve. You’re a big fat phony. You stand for nothing and contribute nothing.
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Do you have a problem with readin comprehension Mbecker...or are you spouting at me without reading what I've written?
AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 3:20PM EDT (link)This isn’t about a six year out…I don’t give a tinker’s daXX about getting McCain out of office and I don’t care about JD…or any of the other straw men you’ve set up here. I made on simple observation that McCain is now OK with being associated with the RMSP after running from them like a scalded dog for the last three years and you’ve turned that one statement into a 16 post back and forth about me tilting at windmills and wasting energy on something that doesn’t matter.
So I’ll ask you this…if it doesn’t matter…why in hells half acre are you wasting do much energy going after me about it?
My reading comprehension is just fine.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 3:29PM EDT (link)You’re
Wasting
Your
Time
I’m holding to the Franz Rule. Go find a new windmill.
OK break it up
Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 3:31PM EDT (link)There’s a definite lingering odor of the primary here.
Becker: This isn’t about the primary so you can go back to hating McCain now.
Ace: Assume arguendo everything you say is true. So what?
Seriously, Why does it matter, and more importantly, what concrete action do you propose as a remedy?
If there’s nothing you can do about it, move on.
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just keep a light on the folks I've chroniclerd here...that's all
AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 8:06PM EDT (link)if they have nothing to hide…then they shouldn’t have a problem having people keep a weary eye on them….right?
again…I made a passing comment…and the fireworks ensued.
Mbecker wants to defend McCain and everything he’s done…that’s fine with me.
Ace- Sancho responding here
Scope (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 8:21PM EDT (link)I read the comments pertaining to the RMSP. Then I read, in my opinion, one of VB greatest diaries. He talks about exposing the worst of the worst within the Republican Ruling Class. If these people are not some of the worst, I don’t know what is.
The benefit of posting your information, is that just maybe they will be exposed on whatever website Vassar talked about. It is a worthy project to expose every last “squish” and every last “squish” organization they belong to. That is the worth, and goal, of all of us trying to stop those that want to break apart the Old Boys Republican party.
heh...so now I have a side kick?...Cool!
AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 9:51PM EDT (link)Since you asked Niel...
AceInTX (Diary) Monday, November 8th at 10:17AM EDT (link)It matters because these groups act in secret and they effect the things done by the Republican Caucus from the shadows…at least they have in the past.
I’ll reiterate….Some of them (The RMSP), were set up with seed money from George Soros. They are a fifth column set up to wreak havoc within the Republican caucus and drag party leadership to the left.
They do what other leftists organizations do such as what happened recently with the VFW PAC which was infiltrated by leftists who took control of the leadership and endeorsed and funded such anti military Libs as Nancy Pelosi.
All I’m saying is, they bear watching…and we need to be aware of their machinations going forward…and I find it curious that McCain was an RMSP Acolyte before running for POTUS and then his name disappeared from their rolls….then he ran a reelection campaign where he pretended to be an arch conservative…and now that he’s safely back in Washington for another 6 years…his name is back on there list of elected members.
It was a simple observation and I’m frankly mystified at the dustup that ensued over a passing comment in a thread to a post that discusses sneaky and underhanded attempts by unnamed senators lining up to keep the earmark express rolling along….and I almost guarantee the RMSP Senators are among those pushing to preserve the practice….(with the possible exception of McCain to be fair since he’s supposedly always been against the practice).
Pragmatism has always been the nomenclature
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 2:41PM EDT (link)for liberals in both parties who see liberty, principles and Constitutionality as valueless.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Yeah...I realize that...but to suddenly see "Pragmatic coalition", "Pragmatic Caucus" and other descriptors....
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 3:20PM EDT (link)Used in dozens of articles all within s week of each other tells me the RMSP, The Republican Leadership Caucus, and The Tuesday Group and their press lackey’s are up to their old tricks…
I remember them playing this same game after the 1994 elections….soon they announce that the Republicans in congress need them to help moderate the more extreme elements in the Republican Party and there will be news reports that speak in glowing terms about how they are attending weekly meetings to strategize how to push issues that appeal to the “pragmatic center” of America and devise ways to “Reach across the isle and work with the Dems to seek “common ground” for the less “extreme” elements of the voting public
Ace- We are getting rid of them one by one
Scope (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 5:54PM EDT (link)Voinovich, one of the Senators in RMSP is gone, and none too soon. Snowe, another Senator from the group, hopefully will be gone in 2012. Maine just elected their first Republican Governor since about 1990. The Maine legislature was just flipped to GOP. I understand that Snowe is now seen as far too Liberal for Maine in polls-
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/09/13/nearly-two-thirds-of-maine-republicans-say-olympia-snowe-is-too/
We will get there, one seat at a time.
right...My number one target now is Graham though...
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 8:46PM EDT (link)Not only is he a RINO…but his loud mouthed proclamations and holier than thou asshattery are just too much to bear!
Graham will pull a Crist
Doc Holliday (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 8:49PM EDT (link)He will run as an independent, he has no loyalty.
Molon Labe!
Well, we can send Graham where Crist is headed
izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 10:12AM EDT (link)Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Jerry Lewis is outraged...
mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 3:47PM EDT (link)Where’s my Prilosec.
We’ll see if JB is serious when he has the opportunity to dump Lewis from Appropriations and put in Flake or a reasonable clone. Lewis is the worst of the lot.
Lessons from Tuesday
ojfl Saturday, November 6th at 4:32PM EDT (link)If Tuesday was supposed to teach these guys anything is that their seats are not safe. Keep going in that direction and they will find themselves out of a job in two years.
That goes for ANY politician
izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 5:50PM EDT (link)Left – Right – Center – Democrat – Republican – Independent
They will all be judged by performance.
A majority of the American people want smaller government.
It seems like 25-30% of Americans will always want that government handout. We need to cut them off so that the percentage become smaller every year. Or in the coming decades will we look like France & Greece.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
So, Where Does This Leave Ron Paul?
jwebb (Diary) Saturday, November 6th at 11:58PM EDT (link)Ron Paul is a huge fan of earmarks and repudiated the last year-long ban. What is to become of Ron Paul under this scenario. Heck, he thinks earmarks are patriotic, as long as you don’t vote for the final appropriation bill.
I checked out the Republican Main St. site, and they use Gingrich for a pitch
katesmith (Diary) Sunday, November 7th at 2:21AM EDT (link)On the RMSP PAC, they have quotes from 2 Beltway insiders, Olympia Snowe, and Gingrich. From the latter: “It’s impossible to create a right-only majority in America,”…”The key to electing Republicans to more offices and have a bigger majority is to be more inclusive.”
This just tells me that Gin-Grinch is a politician and not
davesinsanantonio (Diary) Monday, November 8th at 7:11AM EDT (link)a statesman.
To repeat a previous post:
Politicians: Mostly those overenthusiastic, addled, or malevolent amateurs who want to be in charge of your life because they are either too lazy, too incompetent, or too full of themselves to get a real job, who believe this definition does not apply to them.
– David E. Shaffer
What the Hades do we have to do to get
ihateliberals Monday, November 8th at 8:34AM EDT (link)These stupid Republicans to understand We the People don’t want earmarks or compromising with the Democrats? DeMint and McCain just don’t get it. I am so ticked at AZ for sending McCain back to D. C. I thought they had brains down there but obviously I was wrong. RINOs have to be stopped and that wil be the next mission for the Tea Party. Micheal Steele and the RINO’s have to go. We can’t wait until 2012. Somehow we have to get them to understand the message.
Pilfering the Silverware
bay0wulf Monday, November 8th at 10:30AM EDT (link)Almost all politicians (or their “SO’s”) have become the guest you most fear to have over your house. They somehow think that it’s right and proper to take everything they can get their hands on while on the way out.
This is not new. It has been going on for … as long as there are unscrupulous politicians. Earmarks are just one way of paying off all those outrageous promises they made along the way or, an advance method to feather their nest.
Heck, look at Hilary Clinton when she left the White House. She took so many “souvenirs” that they had to go after her and publicly force her to give them back. Did that hurt her politically? I am pretty sure that she was a contender for President and was bought off of that run fo office by being offered Secretary of State.
So … Earmarks, Pork, Outright Theft, Voting Special Perks for Yourself … none of it is punishable by … anything.
The “Tea Party” has come to town. I hope, I pray, that they are able to undo the damage done. That they are able to hang on to and maintain their integrity over the next several election cycles (or even a few). I don’t want them to become a Political Party, I want them to watchdog the whole process and point out the few nuggets of gold as well as the lumps of … scat.
As for punishment, maybe along with the Tea Party we could bring back the public rite of Hot Tar, Feathering and Riding The Rail. Its publicly humiliating, its very painful and it leaves permanently visible marks.
Read Glenn Beck's "Broke" if
mlowry Monday, November 8th at 10:32AM EDT (link)you want real insight into the criminal behavior that is our Congress. Earmarks are simply the most visible symptom. Both parties, all Presidents going all the way back to Teddy Roosevelt (yes, the includes Reagan), have participated in the party at our expense.
Mike L.
“The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it.”
–Chinese proverb
Outrage
miroco Monday, November 8th at 10:50AM EDT (link)Back ” in the day”, we always thought we would ultimately prevail because of the soundness of our reasoning and the obvious failure of EVERY lib solution. Balderdash— get somebody we trust to start a “Primary Fund” every time one of OUR morons votes for an earmark mount a primary challenge THAT DAY. Even our guys seem a bit slow, maybe the politician gene gets mixed in with the liberal gene.
Cut off you nose to spite your face.
eldstenorge Monday, November 8th at 12:01PM EDT (link)We had candidates who stood by the GOP platform and the party did nothing for them. And, we as conservatives are also to blame. It seems that we eat our own if they are not perfectly what we want. Now, Castle and Crist were way too much to swallow. But, we criticize our own good candidates. Sharron Angle should have won and those Republican officeholders in Nevada who endorsed Reid should be stripped of any influence in the party. To vote for someone who disdains our Constitution and our freedoms and liberties, just because you are upset you did not get who you wanted, is heresy. The same in Colorado, the RNC lost that one for us. Get rid of Michael Steele. I was so excited when he first won. Boy, was that a mistake. And, we believe everything the liberal media tells us about a conservative. Why? We believed what it said about Sharron Angle who was in no way as radical as Harry Reid. Reid is so far left, you cannot see the middle any longer. He trashes his own faith’s leaders if they do not support the radical liberal agenda he stands for. He comes to Utah and tells us that our leaders have led the Church astray because of the right-wing ideology, and then says we have to get over the issues of abortion and gay marriage. He is just an apostate who is trying to mislead believers. We listen to the attacks on JD Hayworth. No matter what you say, he had a much better voting record in Congress than does McCain. So, go ahead and attack those who stand with us all you want. If you do so, you are the one who is defeating correct principles.
Jason Chaffetz
eldstenorge Monday, November 8th at 12:03PM EDT (link)Oh, I forgot: Jason Chaffetz could defeat Borin’ Orrin Hatch in Utah as he is the most popular elected official in this state.
Senate, were you not watching Tuesday?
Mark Malcolm (Diary) Monday, November 8th at 1:01PM EDT (link)Holy crap! I mean, come on guys. Either you are just plain stupid, which I don’t believe, or you’re fully in bed with the liberal progressives (I know a double negative). Offer me a third option that doesn’t sound like black helicopter conspiricy theories, I dare you…
I may not agree with what you say but I’ll defend your right to say it to the very death.
Ideally, we should be working towards the goal
912defender Monday, November 8th at 1:38PM EDT (link)of sending less money to Washington, thereby not being in a position to ask for some of it back. This is what earmarks are all about – getting back some of our money. Let’s work on the new Republicans to push this agenda. Let every state keep more of it’s own money and no one will ever have to ask for another dime from the federal government. Then the states can decide what they want to do with their citizens money. And abolish the IRS, Fair Tax all the way.
We want to know who these Republicans
lizaz Monday, November 8th at 3:36PM EDT (link)are who don’t get it. WE THE PEOPLE want earmarks eradicated and that means in the lame duck session as well. We will be watching who supports the Omnibus bill and its earmarks because there are 33 senators who are running in 2012, democrats, republicans and independents. You can see a list of them in Wikipedia, along with info about each one. No way can we start decreasing the deficit with this kind of legislative action. We will be watching!!!
Elephants and Donkeys
chicagoja (Diary) Monday, November 8th at 10:21PM EDT (link)If your surprised that Reublicans and Democrats seem to act the same when
it comes to spending our money, you shouldn’t be. After all, George Bush outspent Bill Clinton and Barack Obama is a bigger war-mongerer than George Bush. Who said we had a two-party system.