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Filibuster Reform is “Unwise”

Retiring Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT) gave his farewell speech on the Senate floor yesterday and he reiterated his opposition to filibuster reform.  Dodd, as quoted by The Hill, said yesterday:

I can understand the temptation to change the rules that make the Senate so unique — and, simultaneously, so frustrating.  The Senate was designed to be different, not simply for the sake of variety, but because the Framers believed the Senate could and should be the venue in which statesmen would lift America up to meet its unique challenges.

Filibuster reform is a mistake and it will transform the Senate into an institution not envisioned by our Founding Fathers.  Our Founders wanted Senators to be statesmen capable of compromise and negotiation in the face of the threat of unlimited debate and amendment.  Dodd correctly recognizes that filibuster reform will not solve the problems of the Senate;  it will destroy the rights of individual Senators to participate in the process as envisioned by the Founders.  Three Cheers to Senator Dodd!!!

Dodd argued yesterday that Senators should resist the urge to convert the Senate into a smaller version of the House of Representatives.

I have heard some people suggest that the Senate as we know it simply can’t function in such a highly charged political environment, that we should change Senate rules to make it more efficient, more responsive to the public mood, more like the House of Representatives, where the majority can essentially bend the minority to its will.

This argument is critical, because the legislative branch of the federal government would be denigrated if the Senate changed the rules in an effort to expedite legislation or nominations.  Dodd understands the concern that a stubborn minority can force the majority to bend to its will, yet filibuster reform is not the appropriate solution to that problem.  The solution is for Senators show a willingness to sit down and talk out problems while respecting the tradition and rules of the Senate.

That level of senatorial comity has not existed for a few years and both parties are to blame.  Democrats filibustered Bush judicial nominees in 2005 and Republicans responded by threatening the unwise parliamentary maneuver of ridding the filibuster for judicial nominees under the pre-text that filibustering is unconstitutional.  Now liberal Democrats want to use the same argument that they fought against in 2005 to claim that the filibuster is unconstitutional.  The filibuster was constitutional in 2005 and it is now. 

As I wrote in October on Red State, President Obama is now in favor of the filibuster even though he participated in filibusters in 2005 against Supreme Court Justice Sam Alito and John Bolton to be U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations.

The filibuster is contained in the Senate Rules (Rule 22) and merely protects the right of extended debate by Senators before a final vote is scheduled on a matter.  The rule specifies that after 16 Senators sign a cloture petition, a petition to shut off debate, the Senate needs 60 votes to end debate.  The evidence suggests that the left is preparing liberal Senators to push for the elimination of the filibuster in the next Congress if they hold onto a slim majority. 

It is in the interest of the President to change the rules of the Senate to allow his nominations to get through the Senate without the threat of a filibuster.  Dodd plead with members of his own party to pause before destroying the institutions and traditions of the Senate by limiting the rights of all 100 members.

To my fellow Senators who have never served a day in the minority, I urge you to pause in your enthusiasm to change Senate rules. And to those in the minority who routinely abuse the rules of the Senate to delay or defeat almost any Senate decision, know that you will be equally responsible for undermining the unique value of the United States Senate, a value greater than that which you might assign to the political motivations driving your obstruction. But in the end, this isn’t about the filibuster. What will determine whether this institution works or not, what has always determined whether we will fulfill the Framers’ highest hopes or justify the cynics’ worst fears, is not the Senate rules, the calendar, or the media. It is whether each of the one hundred Senators can work together – living up to the incredible honor that comes with the title, and the awesome responsibility that comes with the office. Politics today seemingly rewards only passion and independence, not deliberation and compromise as well.

Senator Dodd’s history as the longest serving U.S. Senator from Connecticut should hold some weight for those liberals who would like to toss the rules and traditions of the Senate for the short term gain.  They may control the agenda of the Senate for two years, but the price that they will pay when they are back in the minority is unconscionable.  Short term gain in power is no reason to toss aside the long tradition of the Senate as the most deliberative body in the world.

Ezra Klein and Dylan Matthews of the Washington Post provided a good review of the filibuster reform proposals on the table right now:

Tom Udall is the only senator who appears open to eliminating the cloture requirement altogether, and even he’s not explicit about that.

Senator Udall of New Mexico is a proponent of the idea that the Senate can change rules in a new congress with a simple majority.  It is the same so called Constitutional Option that Republicans toyed with in 2005.  Udall argues the following:

When the authors of the Constitution believed a supermajority vote was necessary, they clearly said so. And while the Constitution states that we may determine our own rules, it makes no mention that it require a supermajority vote to do so. In addition, a longstanding common law principle, upheld in Supreme Court decisions, states that one legislature cannot bind its successors. To require a supermajority to change the rules, as is our current practice, is to allow a Senate rule to trump our U.S. Constitution and bind future Senates. This should not be.

The problem with this argument is that, unlike the House, the Senate is a continuing body.  There is no rule that makes an exception to changes in the Senate’s rules during the first few weeks of a new Congress.  For example, what if a Senator took to the floor in a new Congress and proposed a rule stating that “it shall be out of order in the Senate, subject to a 67 vote (or 80 votes for that matter) threshold, to consider any bill, resolution or any other legislative matter infringing on the 2nd Amendment right of all Americans to Keep and Bear Arms.”  Could Senators adopt a new pro-gun rule with 51 votes to make anti-gun initiatives out of order in the Senate?  According to Udall of New Mexico, the answer is yes. I bet the Center for American Progress and MoveOn.org would have a fit if that proposal was proposed in the new Congress and you know what — it would pass.  

Another interesting question is whether the 2/3rds requirement for for suspending the rules of the Senate expires at the end of each Congress, allowing Senators to do whatever they want.  In other words, do the rules go away in every new Congress and if so, can Senators ignore precedent and introduce legislation without the requirement of an amendment being read by the Senate before consideration (Rule XV)?  Do all Points of Order disappear in the new Congress (Rule XX)?  Does the Senate fall into anarchy with no rules governing the procedure to adopt new rules or change the rules? 

I don’t think many believe that the Senate should operate with new rules every Congress governed by the party with a simple majority when the Senate is a continuing body.  Senator Chris Dodd thinks not and many other liberals have heartburn over the idea that a Republican controlled Senate in 2013 could impose personal accounts for Social Security, install hard right judges and repeal all gun control initiatives without liberals having a substantive role in the legislative or nominations process.

Another proposal on the table is Senator Michael Bennet’s (D-CO) proposal to reduce cloture to 55 and Senator Tom Harkin’s (D-IA) proposal reducing the numbers of votes needed to get to cloture after every vote.  According to Klein and Matthews

Michael Bennet’s proposal only reduces the requirement to 55, and then only in certain circumstances. Tom Harkin’s plan has a gradually reduced cloture requirement, which could clog up Congress even more by forcing the majority to wait weeks until the requirement is low enough.

These are also unwise chipping away at the rules of the Senate.  Senator Frank Lautenberg has his own proposal that, according to Ezra Klein would force member to conduct a filibuster by actually being on the Senate floor and debating.

Lautenberg’s proposal is more modest. Called the Mr. Smith Bill (Lautenberg brought a cardboard image of Jimmy Stewart from the film to the hearing), the bill would allow the Senate majority leader to call an immediate cloture vote as long as there is no discussion occurring on the Senate floor and the deadline for amendments has passed. This would force filibusters to actually be conducted on the floor — hence the “Mr. Smith” moniker — if the opposition wants to take advantage of the two-day “ripening period” before the Senate can vote to end a filibuster

These proposals fly in the face of the fact that the filibuster rule is not a problem.  The Senate has a problem that members refuse to respect each other.

Sam Stein of The Huffington Post wrote about Senator Dodd’s comments on MSNBC on February 17, 2010 on Morning Joe.  Senator Dodd defended the filibuster rule in the Senate and urged newer members to avoid the “foolish” idea of filibuster reform.  Old bull members of the Senate understand the tradition of extended debate and the free amending process in the Senate as sacrosanct.  Newer members of the Senate want to take a run at the filibuster to constrain the rights of the minority party and individual members in an effort to give more control to the party in power.  They may be engaging in a good faith effort to make the Senate better, but filibuster reform rules changes are destructive to the institution and will not make the Senate a better institution.

The video below is courtesy of TPM Muckraker containing Dodd’s comments on Morning Joe.

 

Dodd said that filibuster reform is a bad idea.  “I think that’s foolish in my view. You can write all the rules you want. At the end of the day if the chemistry isn’t there [it won't work].”  Dodd is correct.

The left is promoting the idea that the Senate is not a continuing body, therefore the Senate’s rules can be changed by a simple majority vote.  This is false, because most experts in Senate procedure consider the Senate, unlike the House, to be a continuing body that requires a rules change of 2/3rs vote, not a simple majority.  Lefties are preparing for a big fight in January and conservatives, moderates, liberals and fair minded Americans need to dig in and fight the terrible idea of Filibuster Reform.

COMMENTS

  • maindependent

    Who was the last “statesman” in the U. S. Senate?
    If that were the criteria for selection, there would be a lot (100?) empty seats in the chamber.

  • sarg01

    At least not once the Lame Duck is cooked and being served for Christmas.

    No one in the minority would vote for it, which leaves them with only a three vote margin – assuming Biden would break the tie against filibusters. Lieberman, Landrieu and Nelson would be rendered absolutely powerless by such a move – all three are up in 2012, all three are in tough relection situations, all three are despised by the progressives, and all three were able to leverage the filibuster to land major agenda compromises. So that means you need only a single other Dem who feels the way Dodd does about the filibuster. Out of 50, it’s pretty hard to imagine there’s not at least 3 or 4.

    • Brian Darling

      Some of the members in the minority might vote for this tactic. They supported it in 2005 and would have a hard time explaining away a flip flop in 2011. I think Senator Cornyn has even written a law review article supporting this idea.

      • jeffreywturner

        What most Republicans (including me) supported in 2005 was not an abolition of the filibuster. It was simply taking the special exemption already applied to the budget and extending it to nominations, because like the budget, nominations are needed in order for the government to function properly.

        Contrast this with law changes, without which the government would continue to function just fine.

        As far as I can remember, no one supported changing filibuster rules regarding legislation in 2005.

  • Brian Darling

    To me for daring to say nice things about Senator Dodd. He is right on this issue. This issue tends to break down between newer members and the older members who want to protect the traditions of the Senate.

    • Next93

      i was one of the people cutting open pillows and heating up the tar when McCain and the “gang of 14″ torpedoed filibuster reform when the Dems were blocking judicial and ambassadorial nominations during the Bush administration.

      I still see what the Dems were doing then as as an abuse of the system, but I readily admit I was wrong, and the “nuclear option” should never have been on the table.

      So I have to ask, did you support filibuster reform back when the Republicans held the Senate, and if so, do you admit that you were wrong? In other words, are you intellectually honest, or are you acting out of partisanship?

      If it’s the former, then I’ll call you friend and patriot, regardless of who you agree with. If it’s the latter, then may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.

      • Brian Darling

        No fleas for me. I was a vocal opponent of Republican efforts to pull the trigger on the so called Constitutional Option in 2005 and argued that the Ds would use that silly idea when Hillary Clinton became President. I was wrong about Clinton but right about the Ds use of the Constitutional Option.
        The filibuster is inherently conservative because it forces the Senate to take more time before they pass legislation. Yes, we as conservatives lost a few battles when Republicans were in control, but as a whole, the filibuster has been a tool for conservatives to slow terrible legislation and nominations.

      • cwilson

        that the filibuster should not be used with regards to judicial nominations or executive nominations. Even if it’s Harold Koh or Cass Sunstein (horrors) — elections have consequences, and the President is entitled to a floor vote on his nominees that receive committee approval. (I have no opinion on the other delaying tactics, such as “bottling up in committee” or “blue slipping” — those apparently go back, informally, to the Washington administration, although the blue slip was not formalized until 1917…)

        That, however, does NOT mean that the filibuster should be eliminated with regards to general legislation. Heck, I don’t even think the “reconciliation” rules — where budgetary bills get a “free pass” from filibustering — make sense. What more important job does Congress HAVE than legislation governing how we are taxed and what the money is used for?

        ALSO, HOWEVER, we CANNOT follow one set of rules for Republican presidents — where the Dems filibuster judicial and executive nominations, and a different set of rules for Democrat presidents — where the R’s take the high road because “filibustering nominees isn’t proper”.

        That’s just wearing a kick-me sign, acting the Charlie Brown to Harry Reid’s Lucy.

        No…now that they’ve opened Pandora’s box, we must make a Dem President feel the pain. THEN we can reform the rules and officially disallow judicial filibusters. Not that I think any of our spineless weasels would actually impose such a filibuster against Teh Won’s nominees…

        • Brian Darling

          in proposing the so called Constitutional Option. There is nothing unconstitutional about the filibuster. There is no distinction in the Senate’s rules on a judicial v legislative filibusters. Rs made a mistake in the past on this issue and that should not bind conservatives today.

          • IJB

            You keep trying to lump all Filibusters together, Brian, like they’re all the same thing. They’re NOT.

            I doubt any of the Founders ever envisioned a Filibuster applied to Executive Appointments, but that’s what we have now.

            Honestly, I don’t have much of an opinion of the legislative Filibuster (there are good arguments for and against). But Filibusters against appointments *is* blatantly unconstitutional, and obscene. They should be eliminated as soon as a Republican majority is obtained.

          • JSobieski

            In terms of Legislation, Congress has the primary role and the executive a secondary role.

            In terms of appointments (judicial and others), the executive has the primary role and Congress a secondary role.

            “Advise and consent” is different may enact. Different degrees of discretion. Senate rules can’t contradict the constitutional order, any more than an executive order can undercut Congress on an Article I power.

            So the fact that the Senate Rules make no distinction

  • victrola

    It may ruffle some feathers around here, but I think the answer is “likely never”. It hasn’t happened in the last 100 years, so it’s reasonable to assume it won’t in the next 100 years.

    Even with a blowout year like 2010, we still don’t even have a majority in the Senate, much less 60. I think we saw how difficult it is to win Senate seats this last election, a “sea-change” only netted us 6 seats. My guess is 2012 we’ll net another 6 to 8, still far short of 60 “conservative” Republican seats we need. It would also be foolish to think Republicans will never have a bad election in the future where we would have a net loss of seats, we all remember 2006 and 2008.

    How then do we pass the important legislation this country needs, like entitlement reform? If it’s going to require 60 Senate votes, it’s either going to take HUGE compromises on our side (like substantially raising taxes) so we can get Democrats to vote with us, or we’re just going to wait until it all crashes before something is done (and then it’s simply too late).

    I still believe that if the Founders wanted 60 votes in order to pass legislation, they would have originally put that in the Constitution. Instead they chose a simple majority, with the Vice President being a tie-breaker vote.

    • Brian Darling

      Liberals would have ObamaCare with a public option, Cap and Trade, Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, multiple stimulus plans, even more leftist justices on the Supreme Court and more bailouts but for filibuster. I am willing to trade entitlement reform to provide conservatives in the Senate with tools to further slow President Obama’s massive increase in the size and scope of the federal government.
      When we had 8 years of President Bush, conservatives were stuck with No Child Left Behind, the Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit and TARP. But for the filibuster, we would have the welfare state and stagnation of France right now thanks to both Rs and Ds.
      I would argue that if you remove the filibuster, statists in Washington *(both Republicans and Democrats) would have put us in an even bigger hole and they would have hoised a massive tax burden on the American people over the past 20 years.

    • ceili_dancer

      Granted getting to 60 votes is a major task, but you can’t relate the results of the last election and forecast the future results. The netting of 6 Senators is a considerable victory just with the fact that we had to defend so many seats within our party. The netting of another 6 to 8 would be on the extremely low end of the spectrum. The democrats have so many more seats to defend, especially first term senators who voted for all of those toxic bills. The hard part is to maintain the intensity of the last election and recruit quality people for each race. I think that we could get somewhere on the range of 8-10 with 12-14 being a distinct possability if stars align and we have an awsome top of the ticket candidate to get people fired up and out knocking on doors.

      • victrola

        It’s an event that only happens once in a few generations (if ever), and it’s usually for only a brief amount of time.

        Even though Republicans have an opportunity to take more seats in 2012, I’m absolutely certain we’re not going to be anywhere near 60. And don’t underestimate the idiocy of who we end up nominating that may cost us seats we should have no problem winning.

        I believe we’ll take both the White House and Senate in 2012, but I don’t believe it’s going to be another tsunami unless the economy double dips. Even with landslide victories like Reagan’s over Carter, there wasn’t enormous swings in the Senate, and I don’t believe for a minute the Republican nominee in 2012 will win 44 states like Reagan did in 1980.

        After the 2012 election, it will probably be a similar environment like it was after 2004, where Democrats will essentially shut down the Senate, and we had trouble even nominating low-level judges. We might get lucky and get a tax cut in (because we don’t need 60 votes to pass that) and that will be about it. No significant reform of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security because NO Democrats will go along with that, even in the face of certain collapse.

        • 6eorge Jetson

          having to defend the +4 pickup of 2004. Victories in Wisconsin and Illinois? A battle in the state of Washington?

          In the next two cycles, Dems will have to defend a +6 pickup from 2006 and a +8 pickup from 2008.

          THe pendulum swings back hard!

  • cwilson

    has a long history…but IMO stretches back to 1964 when the “two-track” system was created. Then, in 1976 the threshold to end debate was modified from 2/3 of Senators present, to 3/5 of all Senators. Together, these changes made the use of filibusters actually *less* disruptive to Senate business, and thus more common.

    In the 1950′s, there was less than one filibuster per session of Congress. In the 80′s, there were on average 17. By the last two years of W’s term there were 52 filibusters.

    And that’s not to mention the, err, innovative tactics used by the Dems in 2001-2002, and continuing thru the rest of W’s presidency, in which nominations (judicial, but also executive) were filibustered. This had never happened before, except in a single case: Abe Fortas’ nomination as Chief Justice was filibustered by a bipartisan coalition of Senators because it was revealed that Fortas had lied to the Judiciary Committee about accepting payment outside of his Associate Justice salary.

    So, sure, I can see SOME reform of the filibuster, even if it might weaken the R hand in the next Congress: such as doing away with the two-track system and forcing a return to the old Jimmy Stewart Mr-Smith-Goes-To-Washington style.

    However, contra victrola above, the Founders established the original Rules of the Senate. It included the provision for unlimited debate — but they had never heard of the “two-track” system, where such “debate” could be pushed off onto a second track (e.g. debated off-line, in the cloak room, or the smoke-filled room, take your pick) so as not to “disrupt” the ongoing business of the Senate. The two track system vitiates the entire POINT of the Senate’s rules, as envisioned by the Founders: HEY! THIS IS IMPORTANT! We need to keep debating this…and if I get tired and nobody agrees to spell me at the lectern…then obviously I haven’t managed to convince ANYONE of the importance of holding up passage — but in that case, the other 99 should have a pretty easy time mustering 2/3 of all Senators present (now: 60 total) to shut me up.

    In any case, we don’t need 60 conservative Senators to pass conservative legislation — the leftists never actually had 60 leftists. They moved incrementally, dragging their less-marxist fellows in both parties along. We can do the same thing — but it requires committed conservative LEADERSHIP in the House and Senate to do so. Propose conservative legislation, and persuade and convince the RINOs and the two or three D’s who may still be rational to support it.

    Instead of, you know, what we did in 2001-2006: propose “Compassionate Conservative” (e.g. liberal) legislation and twist the arms of actual conservatives to swallow the s*** sandwich and vote for it, cause, you know, W was a Republican or something.

    • Brian Darling

      I agree with you that the current incarnation of the filibuster makes it easier than in the past to deploy a filibuster.

      • froster

        nt

        • Brian Darling

          I agree. I would force members to compromise more and to pass less extreme legislation. Incremental socialism is far less damaging than flat out socialism.

      • cwilson

        it was 2/3 of all Senators present. So, assuming you had an actual quorum (e.g. 51 Senators present) — but only 51 — then it would take 34 votes to halt a filibuster (e.g. 18 to sustain) until somebody else showed up.

        So, what this really did is force the people that want to sustain a filibuster to all be present continually (bring out the mattresses) because otherwise, the proponents of cloture could show up and shut them down. The current system, where exactly 60 votes are needed for cloture, works in reverse: during a filibuster ALL of the cloture proponents need to be present until they reach the magic number, but the filibusterers need only have one person on the floor, talking. Or…not talking, in the case of the two-track system.

        So, the current system is almost cost-free for the filibusterers, but puts all the costs on those trying to achieve cloture — while the old system (2/3 of all Senators present) put most of the cost on the filibusterers themselves.

  • npaul

    It’s interesting that despite his slimy personal finances, his lame duck status has given him clearer insight than he’s exhibited in many years. Too bad it came so late in life. I wish he’d had more common sense earlier this year when he and Bozo Barney came up with their financial reform boondoggle.

  • runner12

    Senator Dodd. The filibuster is a part of the balance of power of our Republic, without it the minority is silenced. This is a bad idea and no true conservative should support it.

  • chihank

    The idea to raise the Filibuster to 67 votes will be meant with charges of racism from the usual suspects.

    The Senate used to have the 67 vote rule until the 1960s. Senate Democrats changed the rules because racists like Robert Byrd kept blocking civil rights bills.

  • E Pluribus Unum

    He is right on this one. Which does not mean I will not relish it when he tries on his new cuff links, which he certainly will in the next 5 years:

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