because you believe that the government should be providing healthcare to all it’s citizens on the governments dime? Isn’t that socialism? Are you a socialist, as most of the liberals are?

social services, and you carefully don’t provide your list, is that not socialism? Or have you redefined the definition of socialism. You keep bringing up all those nasty insurance companies, and it is all their fault that medical care in this country isn’t first rate, your words not mine. You want the government to “better” regulate those nasty terrible companies that make obscene profits at the expense of all Americans. Excuse me Mr. Moss, but, it is an already over regulated industry, which is to a large degree why the costs are what they are. If you are not a socialst, are you then a Marxist or Communist? Just askin’.

any of the Republican proposals to the healthcare debate, such as getting the government out of the way, and letting insurace companies sell across state lines, and, instituting tort reform, which would go along way with doctors and medical personnel in lower costs for malpractice insurance. Have you read about any of the Republican proposals? Do you know they do exist? The Republicans are not proposing government regulation over what should be a free market solution.

The government has for years insured that those in need, have what they need. They are called safety nets. The problem with liberals is that the definition of need is always moving upward, to now include the right to big screen TV’s.

No Republican or conservative has ever ever suggested that any not have the opportunity to succeed and get ahead in life. The approach has been different with the conservatives in that they ask/require that a little effort and work be put into everyone’s success. On the other hand the liberals think everyone should be handed everything, including A’s on exams that they couldn’t even read.

“One is not either a free maket proponent or a socialist/Marxist/Communist. It?s more complex than that.” Are you suggesting that one can be just a little Marxist/Communist, like a woman being just a little pregnant? If you can’t even denounce Marxism and/or Communism, then you really do not have the right to utter another word on this site. As has been said above, the site tolerates rational and reasonable debates from everyone. There is zero tolerance here for someone who considers himself even a little on the side of Hitler, Lenin and Mao.

The solution to the country’s woes is in denouncing the welfare/nanny state in full. The answer to the country’s woes is in getting rid of as much liberal policy as possible, which you unfortunately subscribe to. The answer to the country’s woes is in abiding by the Constitution of the United States of America, not the Constitution of the Liberal states of America.

I can’t see you being very happy here at a conservative activist site, who outright denounces the Liberal/Marxist/Communist meme which believes that Government is the Solution, not the problem. I suspect that even if you are not banned here, you will ban yourself and run as far away as you can and as fast as you can. Please take your silly civility talk with you, and, don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

people with pre-existing conditions will be denied coverage and people will be dropped when they get sick. No one, read my lips, no one is denied basic healthcare when they get sick. That’s why our emergency rooms are over flowing. No one is denied care. You say that the Republicans use scare tactics when talking about healthcare, well sir, that is a liberal scare tactic. The Republicans have suggested state high risk pools for those with pre-existing conditions, and for those who are sick, which by the way is one and the same.

To demand that insurance companies cover the burden of those with high medical costs is to demand that they go bankrupt. It would require that all citizens purchase health insurance, whether they want to or not, in order for that system to work. You claimed to be against the individual mandate. Without the mandate, but being required to cover everyone, would require the insurance rates to go even higher than they already are, which I’m sure you agree is already a burden. To have no mandate, but to require that everyone be covered, would mean that only when one got sick would they purchase insurance, and then could drop it again after they were well. That is the path to socialized medicine, as the insurance companies would all close because of bankruptcy within a month or two, if not sooner. What would be left, government healthcare Canadian style. Did you hear that England is now reforming it’s socialized system into a more private structure. Did you hear the Englishman call their current system second rate by mistake, even though it is the truth.

So other countries are finding the error or their ways with going with socialistic policies and practices, but, you want us to move in that failed direction. You did say that the US health care system was not first rate. What countries health care system do you consider to be first rate. Why do world leaders come to the US for health care if we are not so great? Why do the Canadians constantly cross the border to come here for healthcare?

There really would be no common ground in discussing the health care issue until you would agree that the government needs to butt out of the system. The Republicans deserve, and will eventually get the opportunity to reform health care in a manner consistent with conservative principles, which means not sending all of the citizens to the poor house, and not sending the countries economy over the cliff. Until you see the wisdom in those conservative alternate solutions, there isn’t an inch of common ground to dance on.

spend less money, for government to have less power, and to get back to the constitution, you are preaching for the exact opposite. More government social programs (have you seen anything about Greece or Span lately) , more government regulation, more unconstitutional government power and control over the healthcare industry. Are you hoping for more government control and regulation over the energy industry as well. You know, those evil oil companies for example with all their evil profits. How about the liberal education being shoved down our childrens throats. Oh of course you would not be opposed to that, you are preaching and teaching the same thing to your congregation.

Mr. Moss, does the constitution have any meaning for you, or do you consider it to be a living breathing document, that some old white men wrote. How about the liberal activist judges making it up as they go, according to their own personal ideology? Like the judge in CA that overturned the will of the people, with respect to their vote against gay marriage, because he himself is gay. Do you agree with that?

until the government gets out of the corporations business, stops taxing them to death and driving them out of the country, stops regulating what bonuses they can or cannot pay their execs/employees, stops regulating what carbon emissions they can tolerate, stops telling them that they can’t drill for oil and/or gas almost everywhere in the US now, stops forcing them to turn green because of some made up climate garbage. As to a few of them such as GE, they are not only in bed with the government, they are sleeping at the WH, and happily I might add. It is your liberal government that is picking the winners and the losers with bailouts for some, just to keep them floating. The government has no business interferring in a companies bad business model when they should just be allowed to fail for bad practices, or even fraud.

Hey, ya think the government (our tax dollars) should keep propping up Fannie and Freddie, and to keep giving, or actually forcing banks to keep giving mortgages to people who have no ability to pay the money back? Maybe you think the government should own all housing, and to provide free houses to all those poor people so they have a place to park their big screen TV’s.

God dam^ America, God dam^ America, it’s in the bible. Americas chickennnnns are coming home to roost. Unfortunately they found their nest in the WH.

at a Progressive site, and came over here to walk amongst the unwashed. How very big of you. As far as I can tell, the welcome mat has not been put out for outright Progressives. By the way, you now call yourself a progressive, but, upthread you call yourself a liberal. I know they are one and the same, but don’t the liberals now hate being called liberals because the brand is so damaged?

here at Redstate at least, I suggest you denounce liberalism in full, move at least to the right of center, and, then we will all be working within common ground. The conservatives are working very hard to keep our Republican reps. and senators from working in the middle of the aisle, or even thinking about looking at the left side of the aisle.

and while I usually don’t get involved in religious debates or preaching because I guess I still have that old lesson in my mind that you don’t talk religion or politics in polite society, or something like that, I still usually shun religious talk, though no longer political talk. I don’t know how old you are, but, there was a time when many/most wouldn’t admit what party they preferred, or who they voted for. I have briefly made some comments about a particular religion having bought into the redistributionist goals and the illegals are still God’s children positions, it wasn’t the Presbyterian denomination, but beyond that I’m not going there again. No way, no how.

By saying that some pastors hide behind their robes, I was not meaning to imply that any of them are hiding their agendas. I agree with you that they are serious and forthright with their parishioners, but they really are misguided. As to propaganda, they may not see it as propaganda, as I said they probably really do believe that what they are saying is the best for the country and it’s citizens, but, it is still propaganda. Just because you believe it doesn’t mean it is something else.

I do have strong convictions that religious leaders big and small, do have their first priority as preaching God’s word in whatever manner they see fit, or whatever they believe within the church’s religious beliefs and guidelines. There should be no role in preaching government positions. When particular preachers preach the importance of the respect for the greatest gift God gave to us, and that is life, it transends (sp) everything because without life their can be nothing else, especially a government.

Again, I do appreciate your well though out post. I believe that we mostly agree, but just say it differently. I’ve been accused of not being able to make my arguments cogently, and for that I am guilty.

the nation just woke up and decided that the right is just to nasty and bad. The left wrote the book on civility, right? They would never dream of calling former presidents hitler, and a nazi, ot that he was just too dumb to be president, right? Good Lord I don’t know what we would have done without your politically correct words of widom to us, the unwashed creeps. Geeez.