We have the results of the CPAC straw poll of preferences for the 2012 presidential race:
Mitt Romney — 20 percent
Bobby Jindal — 14 percent
Sarah Palin — 13 percent
Ron Paul — 13 percent
Newt Gingrich — 10 percent
Mike Huckabee — 7 percent
Mark Sanford — 4 percent
Rudy Giuliani — 3 percent
Tim Pawlenty — 2 percent
Charlie Crist — 1 percent
The remainder of the vote was undecided.
Gee. Who’d have thought that Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal could be so popular with the conservative base, given the way the Left constantly attacks them?
I'd pick Palin/Romney
djemi Saturday, February 28th at 4:45PM EST (link)with Ron Pual at the Treasury and Bobby Jindal at HHS, that’s if there is anything left in four years
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There is only one appropriate place for Ron Paul.
mbecker908 Saturday, February 28th at 6:43PM EST (link)Hell.
The guy is an utterly failed representative. He’s spent more than 20 years in Washington and has exactly zero to show for it. He’s made no impact on the Congress. He has exactly nothing to offer the party or the country.
Sorry, man, but that's a bit much.
bs Saturday, February 28th at 6:51PM EST (link)I would say “out of the party” … your proposed destination is a wee bit too extreme just for being a loser politician.
Decorum is fo’ suckas
Political hell.
mbecker908 Saturday, February 28th at 7:16PM EST (link)I have no control over the other.
We know what we have to deal with now
nivlem Saturday, February 28th at 7:32PM EST (link)Ron Paul continues to be a player iin the party……Romney is an easy choice
in an economic tormoil. This strawpoll accomplishes a great deal. We now
know where we stand. 44% are not happy. The rest voted on the moment…
because those were the choices.
What a great opportunity to grow and learn from….now we fine tune, and get
ready for 2010 and 2012 based on what we learned today.
Not so easy when you consider he wanted to bailout Detroit
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 8:17PM EST (link)before Tarp, Before Obama, and Before McCain, Bush, and Paulson were for Bailouts. Not such a logical choice when you listen to him talk in such glowing terms about MassCare and then look at the way it’s bankrupting the state. He’s not such a no brainer on fiscal issues when you consider the fact that he advised McCain to sign onto TARP. He’s not such a great choice when you consider the candidates he’s endorsed recently!
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Ron Paul is NOT a player in the Republican Party
mbecker908 Saturday, February 28th at 8:23PM EST (link)and never will be.
What's wrong?
kingsley Sunday, March 1st at 7:17AM EST (link)Scared of the Constitution? Worried about having somebody who’s actually conservative in the party?
Listen up you idiot...
mbecker908 Sunday, March 1st at 12:37PM EST (link)I’ll try to be clear enough so even somebody with a single digit IQ can understand. And, in thinking about it, this may go over your head.
1. We’ve had the RonPaul™ discussions here ad nauseam.
2. Paul has been in the Congress for 20+ years.
3. He’s actually accomplished nothing.
4. He’s not made any progress on even one of his “signature” issues.
5. He doesn’t have one Congresscritter who he can count as an ally.
6. He’s never been able to sell his “vision” (and I use that word in it’s loosest possible sense) to Republican voters.
7. He’s never been able to make a convincing case for anything to the national party, or any segment of it.
8. He either doesn’t show up or strikes out when it comes to discussions on the Party Platform.
9. He didn’t support the Republican nominee for President.
10. Ron Paul is NOT a “conservative”. He’s a libertarian. You’re obviously not smart enough to know the difference.
11. He’s not even an acceptable libertarian. the “L” Libertarians won’t have anything to do with him.
12. He has, in 20+ years in the Congress, never put forward a plan to accomplish even one goal.
13. As far as his commitment to “the Constitution” and to “fiscal responsibility”, you might want to find out why he’s a major earmarker.
The guy is an utter failure in every sense of the word. He does manage to get reelected, which doesn’t speak too highly for his constituents.
I’m not scared of the Constitution. I’m scared of people who think an idiot/loser like RonPaul™ matters. The guy is an oxygen thief.
The same could be said for McCain...
Jim Sunday, March 1st at 5:14PM EST (link)…and many other deadweights who like to latch onto the conservative movement when it is popular to do so. Or if they have “accomplished” anything, it was not something that advanced the conservative cause.
Look, if we define success as getting legislation passed, then yes, Ron Paul has been unsuccessful. But I do not think that is why he is in Congress. I think his goal, more than anything, is to educate and inform about the issues he views as important. He wants to promote sound money (i.e. non-government, monopoly controlled, fiat currency), adherence to the Constitution, and a non-interventionist foreign policy.
And as for his libertarian credentials, I am sure he is not popular with inside-the-beltway, Cato-type libertarians. But he has close affiliations with the intellectual heavyweights of the libertarian movement these days (which, by the way, is not encapsulated or even associated with the Libertarian Party).
Again I ask the question, while he is not perfect (as no one is),he brings a lot of good things to the table. So why the hate? Why demonize someone who brings a lot of youth and enthusiasm to the movement?
“On the free market, everyone earns according to his productive value in satisfying consumer desires. Under statist distribution, everyone earns in proportion to the amount he can plunder from the producers.”
Murray Rothbard
You're as ignornant as the other idiot.
mbecker908 Sunday, March 1st at 8:13PM EST (link)People shouldn’t be going to Congress to “educate”, they go to legislate and to effect national policy. Ron Paul has done neither in twenty years. Hell, he hasn’t even educated anybody but small slice of willing, ignorant fools. Count yourself in that group.
He brings nothing, as in zip, nada, bupkis, to the table. He knows nothing about economics, even less monetary policy,and nothing about national security or foreign policy and damn little about the Constitution. And he knows absolutely nothing about how to get something done.
If, as you say, he has contacts with “intellectual heavyweights” in the libertarian movement he should go start a new party with them because he’s got nothing (see above) in common with conservatives.
I don’t hate RonPaul™, I just find him to be a hopeless simpleton with no concept of the real world who has managed to pull the wool over the eyes of a fair sized (but not large by any means) group of like minded simpletons. He’s a fakir and frankly I resent his using an “R” after his name with the same level of resentment I found for Senator Chafee. They are two peas on the opposite end of the same pod. Although in his defense, Chafee would have had the good sense and decency to refute the SkinHeads and return their money.
Alright then...
Jim Sunday, March 1st at 11:55PM EST (link)You keep supporting the Republican candidate, whoever he/she is, no matter how much they have stomped on the Constitution and actively worked against the conservative movement (cough…McCain…cough). Good luck to you there. Stay principled.
Meanwhile the small slice of willing, ignorant fools will continue educating about the reasons we are in a financial meltdown, why our currency is on the brink of collapse, and how to reconnect with the ideas of liberty and freedom. I personally would rather see conservatives of all stripes unite where possible, and have honest debate on the issues where there are differences. It is sad to see how you can find NOTHING attractive or worth reaching out to in a small government, pro-life, youth vote attracting congresman. I really, honestly don’t understand this knee-jerk dismissal of a growing and vibrant movement in the conservative ranks. Again, it is just…sad.
“On the free market, everyone earns according to his productive value in satisfying consumer desires. Under statist distribution, everyone earns in proportion to the amount he can plunder from the producers.”
Murray Rothbard
Agreed completely
kingsley Monday, March 2nd at 3:06AM EST (link)It’s pretty much been the story for most of the people on this site. It would be funny if it wasn’t so mind-numbingly stupid.
Nobody wants to have anything to do with the only candidate to have never voted to raise taxes. Nobody wants anything to do with the candidate who had the economic knowledge and foresight to predict the housing crash as well as the rapid inflation and devaluation of currency that we are seeing today.
Instead, they wanted McCain, a guy who didn’t even know what the President’s Working Group on Financial Markets was, and couldn’t help but bumble and stumble his way through any question about the economy. Paul is apparently a retard, and yet Paul made McCain look like the biggest dunce of all time. So they went with McCain.
And of course, if you didn’t support McCain, you’re apparently not worthy of being a Republican. Because we shouldn’t demand better from our candidates. We should just blindly choose whoever is chosen for us.
That’s the state of today’s GOP.
Good job
kingsley Monday, March 2nd at 3:19AM EST (link)Of course you wrote it so somebody with a single digit IQ could understand it. How else would you know what you were typing?
Seriously though, I do find it amusing that you try and mask your complete ignorance with ad hominem attacks and other argument-shattering tactics. But alas, such is the way of the weak-minded. But hey, sure, let’s bring the discourse down a notch:
It truly would be a waste of time to go point-by-point in your ridiculous list and illustrate your ignorance and intellectual dishonesty on so many issues, not to mention embarassing for you. Let’s just skip it, and when you’re ready to discuss subjects with a shred of intelligence instead of insults and blanket generalizations (that end up being false), we can talk.
Until then, please continue to be the shining example of why the GOP is in the mess it’s in. Keep fighting with that same message that brought us a fantastic candidate in McCain.
Paul on tranquilizers
Doc Holliday Sunday, March 1st at 2:34AM EST (link)would be good for an advisory group, just to keep the compassionate conservatives in check a bit. Better yet, a liberatarian conservative hawk who is not so crazy.
Molon Labe!
mbecker I couldn't agree with you more
Scope Saturday, February 28th at 7:42PM EST (link)Ron Paul is more dangerous to the Republican Party and the country than some Libs. He is a freak show that inspired the freaks of the country to rally behind him. They sent him their money and they put alot of boots on the ground for him. They got in your face and were going to educate you as to the Conspiracy theories, because you have to be aware of what is really going on with the government by their interpretation. They have unfortunately not gone away. They are now the Campaign For Liberty which is still infiltrating ever Republican site they can. They most likely showed up in numbers at CPAC to give Paul a tie for third. They will not give up. It’s not anything about Paul’s useless time in Congress, it’s all about his radical supporters.
I agree with you
Rapunzel46 Saturday, February 28th at 8:44PM EST (link)and from what I hear his supporters are trying to take over Republican committees at lower/local levels… the level where few people really pay attention…
Hey look, a straw man!
Jim Saturday, February 28th at 9:22PM EST (link)This demonization of Ron Paul really comes off a childish and shallow. I understand that his views on foriegn policy are controversial amongst some in the conservative movement these days. But beyond that, what is it that conservatives have to disagree with him about?
You can point to any candidate and find crazies who support him/her. Debate the ideas, don’t just blindly insult people who you have disagreements with.
“On the free market, everyone earns according to his productive value in satisfying consumer desires. Under statist distribution, everyone earns in proportion to the amount he can plunder from the producers.”
Murray Rothbard
Well yeah...every candidate has "SOME" crazies that support them...
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 9:36PM EST (link)But Paul’s are ALL crazies!!!
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Ha Ha Ha!
Jim Saturday, February 28th at 9:41PM EST (link)Good one! I fell off my chair laughing.
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Murray Rothbard
Pot meet Kettle
ajl_mo Saturday, February 28th at 9:46PM EST (link)Well yeah…every candidate has “SOME” crazies that support them…
But Paul’s are ALL crazies!!!
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 9:36PM EST (link)
meet
…I got attacked and smeared by people…
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 9:16PM EST (link)
And your point would be? nt
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 10:00PM EST (link)It’s a joke…lighten up!
Being attacked as a bigot with now substantiation because you doubt someone’s authenticity is a different matter all together.
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The point being
ajl_mo Saturday, February 28th at 10:26PM EST (link)With seemingly most anti-Paul posts calling him and his supporters to be tossed, calling all his supporters “crazy” doesn’t sound like a joke.
Being called a bigot without substantiation doesn’t seem to be much different from calling others crazy without substantiation.
Perhaps a “j/k” or the like would help point out jokes in the future.
You have a point...
AceInTX Sunday, March 1st at 3:53PM EST (link)I know it’s an insult to be considered crazy or called so because of your beliefs…
I can get on board with Paul on a lot of things…it’s just the weirdness I get from his supporters fanaticism that earns him such disdain
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Ironic...
kingsley Sunday, March 1st at 7:18AM EST (link)You would think that among conservatives, having an absolutely spotless record on things such as taxes would be appreciated. But then again… I do have to wonder how many conservatives are actually posting here, and how many are neoconservatives like Bush who “love them some spending.”
Spotless record.
mbecker908 Sunday, March 1st at 12:41PM EST (link)Heh.
Yeah sure. He’s spotless on taxes. He’s also a MAJOR source of earmarks.
And Conservatives expect results and accomplishments. Ron Paul has neither. But heck, he’s only been in Congress for 20+ years.
Romney, eh?
bs Saturday, February 28th at 4:46PM EST (link)Cue the idealogues in 5…4…3…2………
Decorum is fo’ suckas
I'm not sure that the snarky "ideologues" comment
USNJIMRET Saturday, February 28th at 4:57PM EST (link)is at all accurate.
But once again, should the Republican Party choose a squishy conservative…..4 mores years of Obama, IMO.
It will be for life, not four more years
civil_truth Saturday, February 28th at 5:00PM EST (link)Complete with a spanking new Constitution.
And Rightly So!
Exactly!
Rapunzel46 Saturday, February 28th at 6:25PM EST (link)If the conservatives voting at CPAC studied the real Romney I think he would not have won this poll… this is a man who is currently supporting for the governor of CA a woman who is pro-abortion and against offshore drilling. Which IMHO is pretty much in line with the sort of things he went along with when HE was governor of MA.
Of course, didn’t Romney bus in people to vote for him in the straw poll last year?
Rapunzel46 - I agree - I am a nurse and could never back anyone who started a socialized medicine program in his state while he was Governor
Elizabeth Christian Saturday, February 28th at 7:03PM EST (link)n/t
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
~Benjamin Franklin
Romney Supporters
Rapunzel46 Saturday, February 28th at 7:43PM EST (link)Tend to ignore the elephant in the room and there is no difference at all between Romneycare and Obamacare and Romneycare is killing MA… yet we want more of this? I don’t think so. The doctor I work for is saying “and I went to school for 16 years… for what?” He is right, they cut their pay any lower and they may as well all work for public health facilities on a salary because their cost of malpractice will put many out of business anyway,.
Exactly and not only that - with socialized medicine...
Elizabeth Christian Saturday, February 28th at 7:58PM EST (link)the elderly, the over weight, the whatever the government determines is not as strong as the young healthy person will not get the treatment they need (unless they go out of the Country - sound familiar Canada, UK, etc… as they come here to the USA). Where will they go when Obama, Romney, whoever goes for this? I’ll tell you - they will go south - Cayman Islands, Costa Rica, etc… (where the majority of nurses or doctors will be - if they stay in healthcare).
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One brief question...
HaroldHutchison Saturday, February 28th at 6:54PM EST (link)Would you rather control a minority party, or be a team player in a majority coalition?
Being a team player means supporting Romney I suppose? nt
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Scope Saturday, February 28th at 7:59PM EST (link)Romney’s positions became Conservative shortly before he decided he had enough money to run for the Presidency as a Conservative. I have a real big problem with people who hold his Mormon Religion against him, but, I have no problem at all with questioning his real Conservative beliefs as nothing more than expediency.
Amen...but can we put the Mormon thing to bed already?
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 8:25PM EST (link)There’s plenty of reason to oppose Romney for besides his religion. I don’t see a reason to even mention it yet it keeps being brought up…Romney and his supporters killed himself with me by over playing that Card because I could have gotten on board with him otherwise…as I stands now…I’d eat Decon by the box before I’d vote for him.
And I won’t be bullied into supporting him in 12 like I was McGoo!
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I'd rather be a team player on a majority.
mbecker908 Saturday, February 28th at 8:28PM EST (link)And Romney will never be the head of that majority. He had his shot, he spent his kids money, he lost. If he tries again, he’ll get buried.
RINO Romney?
1stRichard Sunday, March 1st at 2:19PM EST (link)Romney also strikes me as yet another RINO. As former Governor of Massachusetts Romney he was known as absent Romney, always had some other special interest. He was a flip flop on too many issues. His move to reduce taxes was offset by calling them fees and resulted in bigger government, an army of tax collectors to collect all those fees. His health care reform was too costly and corrupt. And so much more…
Romney is qualified and he may or may not be a true conservative but there is more to consider. Given everything in Romney’s past the democrats will cut him to pieces as did Kennedy therefore making him a bad choice. Those on the straw poll did not look before they leaped….
Sheesh........ Romney? And Ron Paul TIES with Palin??
USNJIMRET Saturday, February 28th at 4:51PM EST (link)No wonder conservatives just can’t, strike that, refuse to win!
The only thing Ron Paul and his "supporters" are good at
mbecker908 Saturday, February 28th at 8:25PM EST (link)is stacking polls.
At least we know many mobies CPAC attracted
civil_truth Saturday, February 28th at 4:57PM EST (link)Anyone who voted for Charlie Crist - might as well have been wearing a Great White Whale shirt.
And Rightly So!
Question
Cowboy Saturday, February 28th at 5:15PM EST (link)If CPAC is nothing but a moby gathering and the poll is meaningless why is Red State and anyone else paying attention.
I was referring those who voted for Crist in the straw polls as mobies
civil_truth Saturday, February 28th at 6:13PM EST (link)What did you think I was saying?
And Rightly So!
Just sayin
Cowboy Saturday, February 28th at 10:39PM EST (link)It is what it is. If Jindal would have won with 80% everyone would be going nuts.
Look, its just a stupid worthless straw poll 4 years out. It means nothing.
ditto - nt
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Crist Got 1%...Must Mean Only 100 Voted in Straw Poll
rcov092 Monday, March 2nd at 9:49AM EST (link)we know who Charlie voted for.
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The voters at CPAC
SCSoxFan Saturday, February 28th at 5:55PM EST (link)59% were under 26 and 59% male. Hardly representative of the GOP as a whole. Also explains how Paul did as well as he did. Plus, Romney has always had a good org on DC/VA area campuses. Finally, Romney won in 2007 and 2008 — how far did that get him?
Ron Paul Supporters
Rapunzel46 Saturday, February 28th at 6:42PM EST (link)are getting more active in local state organizations. They could well be a force to be reckoned with sooner rather than later.
If that's the case then Boehner should toss him
mbecker908 Saturday, February 28th at 6:45PM EST (link)out of the Republican caucus. And Michael Steele should show him the door to the national party.
To clarify, Ron Paul is every bit the outlier that
mbecker908 Saturday, February 28th at 6:46PM EST (link)the former senator from Rhode Island was, he’s just on the other side of the same coin.
Let me see if I understand this...
Jim Saturday, February 28th at 9:07PM EST (link)Ron Paul attracts younger voters, he is for shrinking the size of government, abolishing the income tax, he’s pro-life, very much against all these bailouts, and he came in tied for 3rd (with the VP candidate on the GOP ticket in ‘08).
Romney started psuedo-socialized medicine in MA and said he would have to consult with lawyers when asked if he needed Congressional authority to go to war with Iran.
Who should be thrown out of the party?
(BTW, I say neither because the GOP is a big tent and we should be debating ideas, not blindly throwing people out who we have disagreements with. All the people in that straw poll, including Ron Paul, have strengths that can be brought to the table.)
“On the free market, everyone earns according to his productive value in satisfying consumer desires. Under statist distribution, everyone earns in proportion to the amount he can plunder from the producers.”
Murray Rothbard
*Who should be thrown out of the party?*
itrytobenice Saturday, February 28th at 9:36PM EST (link)Ron Paul.
Have you not been paying attention?
The problem with America is stupidity. I’m not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don’t we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
Yes, very much so...
Jim Saturday, February 28th at 9:49PM EST (link)…watching the GOP circle the drain for the past 8 years. How much did government shrink and adhere to the Constitution after 6 years of control of the Executive and Legislative branches?
I am NOT saying that Ron Paul, and only Ron Paul, has all the answers to everything. But is it possible, even just a little, that the he and Campaign for Liberty have SOME good things to bring to the table? Is it possible that moderates like Huckabee, Romney and Rudy offer just more of the same? Why not answer those honestly instead of insult, insult, insult?
“On the free market, everyone earns according to his productive value in satisfying consumer desires. Under statist distribution, everyone earns in proportion to the amount he can plunder from the producers.”
Murray Rothbard
I agree
BrianGarst Saturday, February 28th at 9:56PM EST (link)Absolutely they have something good to bring to the table. And not for nothing, Ron Paul’s speech was very well received, and by more than just 13% of attendees. Frankly, I thought it was better than Romney’s.
It’s also worth noting that, in many ways, this CPAC showed a movement moving toward Ron Paul, not away. I have issues with him personally, but his ideas are thoughtful and deserve consideration, agree with them or not.
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They could have brought lots to the table...
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 10:11PM EST (link)I live in south Texas and I know a lot of Paul supporters…there’s a part of me that likes some of what he espouses…so I know there are things they could bring to the table…the problem is…they’re not content to bring it to the table and debate it’s merits…they insist on grabbing the edge of the table and flipping it over!
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I wonder if Sanford lacks the star name
mbauer Saturday, February 28th at 6:07PM EST (link)and did poorly for that reason. I’d really like to see him at the top of the ticket in 2012. I’d love to see Jindal serve out 2 full terms as governor before considering the white house- which I think he will.
Jindal definitely
Rapunzel46 Saturday, February 28th at 6:41PM EST (link)needs to season. Palin as well. I like Sanford… but I’m not certain we have anyone strong enough in the bullpen right now to defeat Obama unless he really messes up big time.
If it's not Palin or Jindal...Then I'd go for Pence in a NY Minute
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Rapunzel46 Saturday, February 28th at 8:49PM EST (link)I think he is awsome and he did give a great speech this week. But do we really want someone who doesn’t have executive experience? or does Pence and I missed it? Maybe he would do well to run for governor of Iowa? We are sorely in need of GOP governors. I don’t know what the party was thinking the last 10 years or so but we have slowly been losing the head job in state after state which has left the GOP with a weak bench to choose from.
Sigh...to true...being a congressman or Senator is normally doom for someone running for POTUS
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 9:02PM EST (link)And truthfully…I’d never buy someone wholesale based on one speech….but if he believes what he said in that speah…and if he has or had executive experience…he’d be just what the doctor ordered!
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Hoosier Mike Pence would do better as Indiana gov than Iowa gov. nt
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I always confuse the I states...I'm sure Rap did too...nt
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Rapunzel46 Saturday, February 28th at 9:46PM EST (link)Yep! I knew that… being out here West of the Rockies those mid states all run together… I do know we have 50 instead of 57 states though… and no matter the state, I do like Pence.
I'm partial I love Pence.
Maggie_in_Indiana Sunday, March 1st at 1:07PM EST (link)I ‘ say hello passing him on the sidewalk by the court house,where his office is. I’ve sat in his townhalls, I’ve followed his web-site since day one,I’ve cheered him on when He and others stayed over in revolt last year,I campaigned for him door to door,and in all that time I have NEVER heard a single word against him even from staunch democrats in Indiana. If he were given consideration for the primary I’d support him in a minute.
But we so desperately need him in the House. He has the respect of most members on either side and returns that respect with genuine feeling. Yes I would vote for Mike Pence in a heartbeat for President but be a a little anxious to see his seat open up in the House.
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Romney 2012
publiussteve Saturday, February 28th at 6:32PM EST (link)If he decides to run again, there’s a decent chance he’ll have my vote. But that’s a long way off.
Sigh…Mitt would have been the best and most qualified of all the candidates (GOP or Dem) to handle the economy now.
Then
Rapunzel46 Saturday, February 28th at 6:39PM EST (link)did you support John McCain voting for the Bailout bill last year? One of the peopke who recommended he vote yes was Romney. I was against it before the vote, after the vote and still think it was wrong. If Romney thought it was the right thing he was as wrong as McCain and Bush, so I don’t see that he would be any great shakes in this mess, either.
McCain can't talk economics...
HaroldHutchison Saturday, February 28th at 6:59PM EST (link)Romney can. He certainly wouldn’t have been pushing huge spending bills to pay off special interest groups. Oh, yeah, Gitmo would still be open. We’d actually have an Administration interested in fighting the war on terror instead of groveling before people who don’t like us anyhow. We’d have had a president who wouldn’t have blown off the Medal of Honor winners’ ball for MTV. And we’d certainly get some better SCOTUS nominees.
Need I list MORE differences, or are you still going to snark at him because he doesn’t do EVERYTHING your way?
Fact is
Rapunzel46 Saturday, February 28th at 7:10PM EST (link)Romney was in favor of the bailout.
Romney is supporting Meg Whitman for Gov of CA and she is in favor of abortions and against offshore drilling. He was for abortion when he ran for governor and then said he was against abortion when he ran for President.
No, Romney “probably” would not close Gitmo… however, I don’t think any Republican would close Gitmo.
As to SCOTUS frankly, I don’t know what kind of person Romney would nominate to the court because I am not convinced Romney is a social conservative. We know what he says he is, but his actions as governor do not convince me.
Romney care and Obama care are very much alike.
Being equated with Obama in policy should be the del knoll of any and every politician that is right of center. nt
barry915barry Saturday, February 28th at 9:55PM EST (link)oops, "death knoll". nt
barry915barry Saturday, February 28th at 9:55PM EST (link)I do trust mitt on judges and abortion - more later - nt
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McCain is a senator. Not a president. Not now, never.
mbecker908 Saturday, February 28th at 7:12PM EST (link)Never was, never would have been. He’s not a leader. He’s a single minded man whose mind never leaves what’s best for John McCain. All those Presidential wet dreams of yours are nothing more than that.
There’s a high probability, based on history, that McCain will do more damage to the country by supporting Obama that Specter will.
If you read
Rapunzel46 Saturday, February 28th at 7:31PM EST (link)what I said I was not supporting McCain… I asked you if you supported his vote for the bailout bill because ROMNEY recommended he vote yes on the bill.
A lot of conservatives did not vote for McCain because of that vote… and yet they still say how wonderful Romney is/was. Either you are a conservative or not a conservative. Romney does not have a record as a true conservative. A person can say anything they want, but actions speak loudest of all.
I really don't care one way or the other about Romney.
mbecker908 Saturday, February 28th at 8:11PM EST (link)He’s history.
In point of fact I preferred Romney to McCain for a whole host of reasons. And likewise, for a whole host of reasons, you can lose the “true conservative” crap. If you think you’re a “true conservative”, that makes exactly one in your universe. There are exactly none who will fit your little box come nomination time. Like it or not, politics is the art of negotiation and compromise. No “true conservative” survives that.
mbecker...is that you?
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 8:30PM EST (link)Like it or not, politics is the art of negotiation and compromise.
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mbecker908 Sunday, March 1st at 1:39PM EST (link)I am a firm believer in the doctrine of “incrementalism”. The elephant must be eaten one bite at a time and the liberal state cannot be politically overthrown in a day.
Example: Abortion.
1. Restrict it a piece at a time.
–> PBA ban.
–> Parental consent.
–> Crossing state line restrictions.
–> Informed consent waiting periods.
–> Regulate abortion clinics with medical requirements like a hospital.
–> “Born Alive” legislation.
–> Require 3D ultrasound with informed consent.
–> Stop third trimester abortions except for the “life” of the mother.
–> Stop second trimester abortions, same reason.
–> Include wording on rape/incest in above that allows abortion if criminal complaint is filed within X days of rape/incest. Make filing false charge a Class A felony.
2. As restrictions are enacted, people will understand that we’re talking about protecting human life. See the PBA debate.
3. Abortion supporters marginalize themselves with their rhetoric.
4a. Maybe overturn RvW.
–> States move to outlaw abortion.
–> States are sued, SCOTUS upholds their right to make law.
4b. RvW doesn’t get overturned… move to 5.
5. A state passes legislation recognizing the unborn as “human” and holders of “rights”.
6. Abortion is criminalized, with rape/incest provision (see above).
7. State is taken to SCOTUS by the first “doctor” convicted by new law.
8. SCOTUS must decide if the unborn have rights superior to RvW if it’s not yet overturned or if they have rights if it has been overturned.
9. SCOTUS rules for the unborn, negating abortion laws nationally.
The other alternatives are doing what Ron Paul would do, namely nothing, or blowing up abortion clinics. I’m of two minds on the subject, but I’m not really an anarchist so I end up being an incrementalist. Hence, negotiation and compromise.
I almost failed to mention
Rapunzel46 Saturday, February 28th at 7:48PM EST (link)In addition to his recommendation to McCain to back the bailout bill, Romney was on the cable shows advocating for the bailout of banks. Clear back to the beginning of 2008, Romney was recommending the auto industry in Michigan be bailed out.. which, of course, helped him carry MI in the primaries yet now he says he is opposed to the auto bailout and stimilus plan from the Messiah. If we want a President who places a finger in the air, determines which way the political wind is blowing, and then acts accordingly, then Romney is the man for sure… however, I want one who is willing to say what he/she thinks and then have the nerve to actually stand for it for better or worse.
Romney, if Presidential Candidate.. WILL NOT CARRY MI...
JLenardDetroit Saturday, February 28th at 8:24PM EST (link)I like Mitt, personally… but….
He will not win some States (especially MI) that some folks imagine would happen….. cannot say it any plainer than that… The State will be BLUE again over Romney…. There is NO nostalgia that some seem hung up upon thinking will help over former Gov George Romney to help…. We went through this exercise already when we actually had a Republican Governor and Secretary of State… we actually had people with us…. momentum was still on our side in MI…. yet G. Scott Romney did NOT get elected as AG…. The same FAILED fate will be Mitt’s in MI as a Presidential candidate….. (sure, he can win a Rep. Primary, but that is it)…
Nor will he (Mitt) garner any Eastern State sympathies just because he cooperated with Liberals in MA while Governor of that State….. Mitt needs to head Commerce and work to shut it down….. Then he could be put in charge of other BUSINESS related (job growth) matters….
We need several Candidates coming together early on and forming what would be the Cabinet around a single Candidate if we are to win… IHMO….
Mitt Commerce, Rudy HSA, etc….
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Good post
Rapunzel46 Saturday, February 28th at 8:54PM EST (link)I agree… with one caveat, I am not yet ready to get on anyone’s bandstand. I think we would all do well to sit back and carefully evaluate all the potential candidates and when the people interested in running step forward and the debates begin we can all make an educated decision on who is the standard-bearer for the GOP.
I’ll tell you one other observation, as soon as I see all these politico articles, I am certain Romney IS running again, he made some sort of aliance with Politico last year and garnered fawning stories from them, but that should scare us all as we all know where Politico came from and who works there and, to quote Rush today, when the media is playing up a candidate it is not to benefit the GOP.
yes, we need focus on 2010 races... not 2012 right now...
JLenardDetroit Saturday, February 28th at 10:17PM EST (link)One thing at a time…. plenty of time for people to step up and/or fall off by then…
The more the merrier, from now ’til 2012, giving/stating the Conservative message is a plus…. I’m just hoping some will know better to get out the race early to get behind one while still campaigning as a group/whole as assured Cabinet Posts for whomever the nominee is…
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+ Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
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I'd like to see John Kasich step up...
JLenardDetroit Saturday, February 28th at 10:24PM EST (link)but he’s busy looking to run for OH Governor (so we hear)… Maybe he thinks 2012 is a lost cause and 2016 will be his shot from OH Governors Office…
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+ 0bama Lies & your Bank acct will Die! (4/15 Truthers)
+ Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
+ I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
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Why does it always come down to that?
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 8:02PM EST (link)Those of us who are involved in Politics because we believe in something don’t need anyone to do “EVERYTHING” our way. But when they’re wrong…we don’t want them to be SO wrong.
He’s questionable on social issues and he’s proven as Governor and over the last months to not be reliable on fiscal issues…the only thing left is national security and he’s a big fat question mark on that too…
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Where did he prove he is
Rapunzel46 Saturday, February 28th at 8:56PM EST (link)good on fiscal issues? Have you looked at what he left behind in MA?
My point exactly...
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 9:08PM EST (link)I think that line proves the truth of “a lie told often enough becomes the truth!”
Romney is as fiscally conservative as GW Bush…which is to say…NOT AT ALL!
Saying he is fiscally conservative over and over will never make it so!
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Romney equals more of the same crap that got us where we are
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 7:56PM EST (link)He was for Bailing out Detroit baefore Bailouts were cool. He supported TARP, He stall brags about MassCare even though it’s bankrupting the state He’s backing a pro abortion ant drilling moderate/Liberal in CA and we’re supposed to support him?
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I have to agree to a point....
JLenardDetroit Saturday, February 28th at 8:14PM EST (link)It is NOT just Romney…. It is all the Candidates that have compromised Conservative principles in order to “get by” and run their State/City/whatever… I find it easier to be more forgiving of Romney, Huckabee, Rudy, etc…. for working within the Liberal environments they had to govern than I was/am of John McCain…. Once you are on the BIG STAGE if you still are selling out principles your chances (and my forgiveness) ends…. It is the risk we run with any of those candidates as to whether they will indeed live up to the Conservative they want everyone to believe they are over the SELL-OUTS they had undertaken in the past….. DARE WE TAKE THE CHANCE?!?!? I’d rather we not, and move on (though I will and do support all of the those I’ve mentioned to some degree…. like I HAD TO support McCain over the pathetic alternative once OPEN PRIMARIES got us his disgraceful (still Bi-Partisanship Disease filled/infested) BS as the GOP Presidential Candidate…
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+ Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
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I'll declare it here and now...Nominate Romney and I walk...Period! nt
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He'll get the same luke-warm support I gave McCane...
JLenardDetroit Saturday, February 28th at 8:40PM EST (link)Yes, I purposefully spelled it that way….
McCANE killed ABLE Republicans…. would be funny if not true…
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+ Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
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I voted for McLame under duress...Romney won't get that same consideration from me! NT
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Jim Saturday, February 28th at 9:15PM EST (link)No more holding the nose and pulling the lever for these pseudo-conservative sellouts. Remember, Reagan won two landslide victories running on an unapologetically conservative message of limited government. It is that message that wins when clearly articulated, not compromised and watered down.
“On the free market, everyone earns according to his productive value in satisfying consumer desires. Under statist distribution, everyone earns in proportion to the amount he can plunder from the producers.”
Murray Rothbard
My thing is this...regardless of his environment...
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 8:46PM EST (link)Romney not only compromised on every issue for political expediency, he bragged about it all the while claiming he was a true conservative! To add insult to injury, he and his sycophantic followers tarred many good people as Anti Mormon Bigots for daring to question his history and hypocrisy!
As for his compromises…It drives me nuts to see people jump on the bandwagon of people who claim to be conservatives even when their record proves otherwise because they “had to compromise because of where they ran or governed.”
Yet these self same people are shocked and surprised that the people they made excuses for end up reverting to form as soon as they’re elected!
Simply put…I despise the man not because of his history, not because of his positions or his hypocrisy, I despise him because he and his followers played the victim in the primaries by insisting those of us who had policy differences with him were bigots!
I wouldm’t vote for him if his opponent were Beelzebub himself!!
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Kowalski moment: How many votes McCain lose that could've shaped the Election differently?
JLenardDetroit Saturday, February 28th at 8:47PM EST (link)Seriously?!?! Paulites especially…. (OK, he probably still would’ve lost… but we don’t really know… never will)…
WE ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, MUST HAVE CLOSED PRIMARIES! we cannot allow DEMOCRATS to pick our next Candidate!
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We know he lost
Rapunzel46 Saturday, February 28th at 9:07PM EST (link)North Carolina and indiana due to Bob Barr… (What in the world was Barr thinking?)
I agree the primaries need to be closed — who decides that, though, the states and didn’t Arnie just make a deal in CA that opens all primaries so anyone can vote in any party? The GOP had a tight voting policy in CA till now. Janet Napolitano messed with AZ last year and pushed to allow Independents to vote R or D instead of having ot re-register… but the very worst of all has to be NH where no only can you register on the day you vote, but you can say you are moving to NH and want to vote in the election — without being a resident of the state.
IMO, same thing 1 Issue only voters thought....
JLenardDetroit Saturday, February 28th at 9:55PM EST (link)no more holding nose to vote…. which insures Democrat victories…
I know it is painful to have to vote Marx… when the only other choices are Lenin, Stalin, or Hitler…
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+ Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
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Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless (empty Liberal) Mind...
JLenardDetroit Saturday, February 28th at 9:58PM EST (link)Blissful ignorance that those that poke their head out of their hind-side just long enough to pull that JackAss lever…. which is what we are always up against…
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+ 0bama Lies & your Bank acct will Die! (4/15 Truthers)
+ Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
+ I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
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Heh
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 10:25PM EST (link)I can tell you without equivocation I wouldn’t vote…and as a result…I wouldn’t be to blame for the mischief and pure evil they would commit in office…
What frosts my britches is that some here would say I was responsible for the 20 million people Stalin killed because I didn’t vote for Hitler who only killed 12 million!
I’m sick of the arguement that if you vote don’t for McCain or some other squish you are voting for the Democrat! I’m not playing the game any more!
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The whole PUMA scam is example... how this doesn't happen in the JackAss Party...
JLenardDetroit Sunday, March 1st at 2:14AM EST (link)I can/do appreciate your position Ace and applaud your Passion…
I hear ya…. I sympathize, I do…. It irritates me too…. but the other side will always vote Democrat regardless of their Candidate…. For us to go on and on and withhold our vote because of this problem or that, one complaint or another (especially those 1 issue [and it is not one particular cause that has an exclusive on 1 issue] voters - and I am NOT saying you are one of those [just want to be clear, that I am just saying these things IN GENERAL]), etc… if this is going to be how we react we may as well grant the Presidency (concede to the Dems) to whomever wins the Dem Primary for Life….
We have got to do a better job of coming together and focusing on those things that we agree on and focus on those….
Don’t give up the ship yet Brother…. It is early and keeping the Fire to fight for the best possible Candidate possible is obviously needed…. It seems obvious that we agree it is tiresome that we keep landing up with such mediocre Primary Candidates to have to choose from AND Open Primaries screwing us over with cross-over votes….
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ugh, didn't finish PUMA thought....
JLenardDetroit Sunday, March 1st at 2:35AM EST (link)They ranted a bit… they raved for show… but when it came right down to it 95% of them fell back in line and pulled the JackAss lever….. Very few, IMHO, cared (at least enough to be truly offended and outraged) over the RACISM AND SEXISM that went on throughout the Democrat Primaries (and carried it over into Race Baiting for the Election)…. Some (few really) may have honestly/actually been outraged when Palin got even worse treatment from the MSM (which are their allies) …. but again… at the end of the day… they are still JACKASSES and will only pull that lever! It was a great show and distraction, but that was all it was from most those folks (as they have no core principles - Democrats never do, other than POWER and REWARDING THE BASE which means kickbacks to themselves ultimately… why would they give that up?)
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We end up with them because we keep accepting it!
AceInTX Sunday, March 1st at 2:49PM EST (link)The party thinks they can keep pushing mediocre candidates on us because we’ll just bockle down and do what we’re told….and they have good reason bhecause we do…
No more! I was a puppet and voted for Dole in 2006….I swore then I would never do it again…I was a sucker and voted for W twice because I thought he was a conservative…looking back I was a fool..and I let myself be bullied and harangued into voting for McCain…to my ever lasting shame…I’m off the bandwagon now…I’ll march beside it but I’ll never again be taken for granted and I’ll never again be an establishment puppet…and I truely believe that until a majority of us finally decide to have a little pride in ourselves, show some backbone, and tell the moderate establishment where they can shove it…it will never change!
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Achance Sunday, March 1st at 10:28AM EST (link)See, California Democratic Party v. Jones. You might have to sue your state legislature but you should win since it was 7-2 at the USSC (Ginsburg and Stevens dissenting, Scalia wrote for the majority). It catches Hell from the media and the Left and is usually characterised as denying people the right to vote, so you have to stand up to that. You’ll hear about it every election, though. There’s less flak if you let NPs vote in the R primary but not Ds, You can close it to only Rs though. Here in Alaska, the NPs can vote in the R primary but not the Ds.
If you can’t get the primary closed by the legislature, nothing says you have to have one or that it has to mean anything. I would prefer a caucus and convention system to a primary and I would certainly prefer caucus/convention to an open primary.
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I agree with everything there Art...but what about the Paulbots...
AceInTX Sunday, March 1st at 2:53PM EST (link)I’d be all for a caucus system…but then you open yourself up to being overrun by a well organized and fanatic movement to pick the Nominee.
Any ideas? I’d truely be interested if you had a way to deal with that weakness?
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Is there anything Mitt can do between now and then to change your mind?-nt
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I can't imagine what it would be...
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 9:16PM EST (link)It’s a shame really…I started out the 2008 cycle thinking he’d be the likely guy when everything fleshed out and I was fine with that…in fact…I would have campaigned for him early on…but as time went on…and as I gave voice to the questions I had about him…I got attacked and smeared by people I could happily have allied with…At this point I can’t see myself getting behind him no matter what he says…no matter what he does…not now…not ever!
I’d make one caveat on what I just said…if her were to step forward and acknowledge that he and his over zealous supporters were wrong for smearing and tarring good people…I might be persuaded to rethink things…That in and of itself wouldn’t change my mind…but it would open the door a crack!
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Rapunzel46 Saturday, February 28th at 9:19PM EST (link)I started out actually liking him a great deal. Quickly cooled to him when I started digging into his real record and then when he started feeding stories to Politico to drop on other Republican candates so he could appear to keep his hands clean, I washed my hands of him.
And I Will Be In Front of You!
papalee Saturday, February 28th at 10:45PM EST (link)Romney’s record will turn off too many conservatives, social or fiscal. But, frankly, I don’t think I could stomach anyone from the North East.
John Adams was from the northeast - nt
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Come on mike...LOL that was 200+ years ago...
AceInTX Sunday, March 1st at 2:55PM EST (link)Who was the last great president to come out of the NE?….Kennedy maybe?
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Mike gamecock DeVine Sunday, March 1st at 3:04PM EST (link)values, principles and policies
cool?
Yes, I think JFK was great in many ways.
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LOL...I know...I couldn't help the dig though...nt
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Kennedy was from the Northeast, but he wasn't great.
janis Sunday, March 1st at 3:06PM EST (link)Were it not for the assassination, I doubt we’d have had Kennedy wannabes like John Fraud Kerry or Obama.
maybe not, but consider some great things he did
Mike gamecock DeVine Sunday, March 1st at 3:23PM EST (link)The phone call to Coretta just before his election when MLK sat in jail.
His old as the scriptures speech on race in which he appealed to judeo-christian values to denounce segregation.
His bear any burden Inaugural speech.
His blockade during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
His tax cuts.
His opposition to racial quotas.
I know he might have helped bring on the CMC with his naive meeting with Kruschev, and JFK admitted that and I know that he made a secrt deal re missiles in Turkey (obsolete and redundant anyway), but he did advance American deterrence and liberty in the process of standing up to the USSR.
Maybe he didn’t serve long enough to be a”great” President but that is a word. He did some great things and was the last strong on nat sec dem president.
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He would also be unelectable as a Dem these days.
janis Sunday, March 1st at 3:30PM EST (link)How sad is it that you have to go all the way back to 1963 to find a Dem POTUS who was strong on nat sec ? And you’re right, he did do some very good things in his short time in office. Unfortunately, his accomplishments were overshadowed by the myth of Camelot.
One of my fondest memories is of watching us land on the moon, and I know that it was due to his determination to beat Russia that put us there.
agreed - nt
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At the very least...he's the last president to come from NE...PERIOD...
AceInTX Sunday, March 1st at 3:46PM EST (link)NE is made up of all the states that wanted to cede the Union to the South…They wouldn’t fight buy and large….that’s not to say their weren’t some genuine heros who fought for the Union from NE…but the draft riots and the fact that McClellan had even a slim chance against Lincoln on 1864 speaks to how weak that whole region has been since after the revolution!
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Romney = a worse loss than McCain - I don't care who he chooses for VP
Elizabeth Christian Sunday, March 1st at 1:36AM EST (link)Palin was the only reason McCain came even close to Obama. For me as a nurse I cannot vote for Romney - he is the creator of Romneycare aka socialized medicine. But no worries I am sure the “ONE” will try his version soon!!! (and I will be exiting the healthcare profession with many of my colleagues).
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Yep, you are right here...
dbecraft Sunday, March 1st at 1:44AM EST (link)Have to agree wholeheartedly… McCain was a defective Republican candidate from the start and repelled many of the conservative base. Unfortunately, Romney may have won the straw poll now, but the future will be much different. This will be the “after Rush speech” delegation that will actually select a Conservative next time (not a pretend Conservative, not a Liberal Conservative). This time we either get it right or become France2.
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Republicans and Socialized Medicine... Talk Right, Rule Middle (at best)...
JLenardDetroit Sunday, March 1st at 2:20AM EST (link)Can’t argue with you there…. It is bad enough we’ve already had one Republican get us Medicare-D (to preempt Democrats thinking it would help the Party in the long run…. WRONG!!!!!!!)…. I don’t trust the Huxtable (that’s Huckabee to the humor-challenged) to a large degree either because (as discussed several times in this thread) Sell-outs within previous Governance that we are asked to “pass” and “forgive” because of circumstance…. It is getting harder and harder to do that when the last 2 (both Bush’s) have promised Conservatism and NOT delivered on it…. I AM RATHER TIRED OF IT as are all the rest of you….
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Right on...am really tired of Democrat light...
dbecraft Sunday, March 1st at 2:26AM EST (link)Either we get a Conservative next time or I’m going Libertarian. It does not seem to matter anymore since the Republicans seem to think that they too can by votes with spending…
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buy votes...
dbecraft Sunday, March 1st at 2:26AM EST (link)correction…
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What burns my but hairs is that the Republican Party acts like <span style="color:#ff0000"><b>WE</b></span> owe <span style="color:#ff0000"><span style="color:#ff0000"><b>THEM</b></span></span> our vote!
AceInTX Sunday, March 1st at 3:01PM EST (link)As if they don’t have to do anything to EARN it…as if they can do ANYTHING THEY DARN WELL PLEASE and we still HAVE to vote for them…
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Doc Holliday Sunday, March 1st at 2:30AM EST (link)I am not with those who have annointed Sarah, there is a long way to go, we need a battle and let the best man or woman win. Annointing gave us Bush.
Molon Labe!
That is the correct attitude, but you have to
dbecraft Sunday, March 1st at 2:35AM EST (link)finally decide whether to anoint a Conservative or another liberal Republican. You just can NOT win with the base unless you make a reasonable choice… Yes, Palin is not yet nominated but if she does decide to run, you can bet that she will get an enthusiastic support from the base - something lacking with the McCain nomination.
Your choice Doc… Keep trying to go Democratic Light or go Conservative…
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the Doc never wanted Democrat lite
Doc Holliday Sunday, March 1st at 2:53AM EST (link)but if a true conservative leader can not win our primary, what chance do they have in the general election? We all need to face that we had a week field and hope someone is out there that can energize conservatives and proud Americans.
Molon Labe!
Call me a Optimist!
dbecraft Sunday, March 1st at 3:03AM EST (link)Hey, if we can’t get the appropriate candidate elected, then it is too late anyway, so what does it matter!
It’s like this…(I say this now that the worst possible has happened - America has elected a full-blown Socialist), if we can’t elect a REAL Conservative to take the country back to its original ideals and values then it just does not matter anymore…
So, after Obama, if a Conservative is not elected to turn back all this foolishness, it doesn’t matter anymore. We either stop this nonsense quickly or it becomes a permanent part of American society - unchangeable.
So… to me it is next time or never! If these programs continue for another 4 years, it can NOT be undone. It will NOT be undone by a Liberal Republican. Our only chance to continue as an economically free country is to get a Conservative elected that will reverse this trend.
Wow, just saying this made me more a pessimist…
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well I am an opptimist too
Doc Holliday Sunday, March 1st at 3:17AM EST (link)I am hoping we can take back at least one house of congress in 2 years and some state houses, we need to start coming back now.
Molon Labe!
Unfortunately, the way the Congress works,
dbecraft Sunday, March 1st at 3:24AM EST (link)we will have to take back the Senate by enough of a margin to allow for the Liberals in the party. It does no good to take back the House as they tend to be way too pliable to the public (hell with the Constitution).
So, either there is a major shift in political parties (not looking good) and the Senate is changed or we become just another Eurpoean country (call us EU want-a-be).
I think you are of a similar mind…but maybe just a bit too optimistic regarding how much time we have…
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dbecraft, actually I think I realize the hard work
Doc Holliday Sunday, March 1st at 3:37AM EST (link)we HAVE to do to come back more than most. I do not believe just running Sarah Palin, Mitt, or even Rush will change the outcome McCain gave us. I think we conservatives have to take the heavy load on ourselves as individuals and as a team. The obstacles we face are tremendous! We better get cracking now it is will be over as you imply.
Here are some things I think we MUST do in order to even let a great leader emerge and win the next presidential election:
1) We must finally take on illegal immigration, election fraud, and media bias. Fox is not enough, we need a second Fox, we need a third Fox. We need conservatives in all areas of the media so our philosophy can be “mainstream” again.
2) We need to take on the NEA and all institutionalized liberal indocrtination in our schools. If our young do not know our real history or our real liberty, then they will have no reason to join us to defend this country.
3) We need to never again allow the Democrats to outspend us and outwork us. We will always be at a disadvantage for one reason or the other, if we are not MORE motivated than our opposition, we simply can not win.
Those are probably the three biggies for me and I have not mentioned any candidates, great speakers, or annointed leaders. WE have to put in the hard work and sacrifice for our future just as our Founders did by creating this nation. I wish things could go back to the Reagan era just by finding a better candidate, but they can not.
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Wow! I would vote for you!
dbecraft Sunday, March 1st at 3:40AM EST (link)Thanks, I knew you were a Conservative, but you sound like me and I really enjoy it…heh. Thanks for that… You give me hope yet…
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thank you, same to you sir :)
Doc Holliday Sunday, March 1st at 4:10AM EST (link)now we just need a few million like minded individuals and we are going to be just fine
We will get this done, we have to do it for those that came before!
Molon Labe!
And for those yet to come. nt
barry915barry Sunday, March 1st at 8:50AM EST (link)quite right 5 -nt
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Molon Labe!
Oh...and the name is
dbecraft Sunday, March 1st at 3:44AM EST (link)Dan Becraft…heh…thanks…
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Need I remind you...McCain WON the primary and lost the general...
AceInTX Sunday, March 1st at 3:06PM EST (link)f a true conservative leader can not win our primary, what chance do they have in the general election?
and I’m convinced any one of the other candidates could have beaten Obama with the possible exception of Romney!
It was McCain’s finger in the wind last June that destroyed him! We need someone who believes something instead of a “Pragmatic” (read confused) politician!
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Correction...and I’m <span style="color:#ff0000">NOT</span> convinced any one of the other candidates could have beaten Obama with the possible exception of Romney!
AceInTX Sunday, March 1st at 3:07PM EST (link)nt
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Much as you like Romney...
dbecraft Sunday, March 1st at 4:19PM EST (link)and I actually like him - just not for President. He is just another place holder until a real Conservative comes to the fore…
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holding what place? nt
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dbecraft Sunday, March 1st at 4:43PM EST (link)How about a Republican placeholder until the actual candidate comes to the fore…
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Just clarifying...I don't know what you mean by placeholder...
AceInTX Monday, March 2nd at 3:08PM EST (link)if it’s what I think it is…then I have a problem with it…W was a placeholder from 96 to 2000….it was obvious he was the one set to be the establishment’s hand picked guy right after Dole went down in smoldering ruins!
If Romney is the placeholder…then we’ve got Problems and not just from me but from the millions who think like me that Romney is a continuation of GW Bush and GHW Bush and Gerald Ford before that
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Good point!
AceInTX Sunday, March 1st at 3:02PM EST (link)We agree Doc H
Cold day somewhere today…LOL
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Rapunzel46 Saturday, February 28th at 9:03PM EST (link)another step further. The candidate most vilified last year was Rudy. Yet of all the candidates with executive experience running, Rudy was the proven tax-cutter and a track record of taking a huge city that was failing and turning it around and, in the process, bringing back business… Rudy was the one who told a Saudi Sheik to take his $10 million and shove it… however, because Rudy refused to lie and say he was no longer against abortions.. that he did believe they should be few and far between and adoption was preferred, he was a pariah, while Romney suddenly became a born-again pro-lifer (though now he seems to be pro-abortion again — who can keep up)…
In addition compared to Romney, Rudy had more foreign policy chops, knew the justice department quite well and more… but heaven to betsy he was a cross-dresser and that was that! Compare what Rudy did in NYC and what he left for Bloomie to screw up to what Romney left in MA…
Another thing.. to this date Freepers will say “if only Duncan Hunter.” Well.. who turned out to be the largest beneficiary of the Murtha Lobby scandal brewing — Duncan Hunter! Think the dems would have had a field day with that, even if it meant Murtha lost his own seat in the process.
I say one thing we all could/should agree on is forget 2008… and the candidates who ran in 2008 and start with a new, clean slate.
Amen to that...
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 9:24PM EST (link)If the RNC and the Repub establishment has any sense they need to quietly walk Romney to the door…whisper thank you in his ear and make it plain that he’s not welcome at the party any more…we need to move on.
That being said…I think his sudden surrender at CPAC one year ago tells me a deal was cut between Romney and the establishment…and he’ll be the pick in 12…if not we’ll have on pissed off bunch of NE parliamentarians just like we did when Reagan was given the mantel against their wishes!
It sickens me…it really does because if I’m right….Obama will win a second term…because I won’t vote….and I won’t be bullied into voting for him!
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Rapunzel46 Saturday, February 28th at 9:27PM EST (link)Republicans are slow learners… I hope I’m wrong, I fully expect we will not win in 2012, I’m not even convinced a Jimmy Carter economy will convince his supporters to turn on him, especially if the alternative is someone like Romney… Newt has been making noises about running in 2012, I like Newt, not certain if I like him for POTUS, but the debates would at least be interesting.
I'd back Newt for anything else but I draw the line at Pres
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 9:50PM EST (link)I know I’ll get in trouble for saying that…but it’s true none the less…I don’t have a real reason either…but I’m uncomfortable with the idea…
I think my aversion comes from my memories of him just after the1994 elections…I remember the budget shut down…when he was whining about Clinton putting him in the back of AF1 when they flew (I think to CA for Nixon’s Funeral). I remember telling a friend…and mind you this was before I was saved…but anyway…I told this friend that “Newt has the same problem Bill Clinton has…he just doesn’t know when the ATFU!”
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AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 9:51PM EST (link)STFU I mean!
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Newt.... Cabinet yes, POTUS no.... I agree...
JLenardDetroit Saturday, February 28th at 10:06PM EST (link)don’t think he’d really have a Prayer….
I’m not going to get back into the whole long thing but to just refer to Contract II? Opportunities Lost. The FAILURE to keep pushing (returning to re-address aspects of) the Contract lost opportunities and what eventually allowed the Republicans to slide into just being (like Democrats) big Government Spenders…. Newt represents those lost opportunities and a reminder that Republicans failed to follow up, on if nothing else, as pushing for a Constitutional Amendment for Line Item Veto….
IMO, Newt is NOT ELECTABLE to POTUS….
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Cowboy Saturday, February 28th at 11:03PM EST (link)While your kicking Romney out of the party would you also like ALL his supporters to go as well? That will help the conservative movement nicely.
A perfect fate for all those nasty slimers you speak of.
Don't let the door hit you if you're inclined to go Cowboy...
AceInTX Sunday, March 1st at 3:10PM EST (link)I didn’t say anyone had to leave the party so put your straw man away…
I won’t support Romney…Period…I compromised with McCain…and I reached my line in the sand…that far I go and no farther…
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Cowboy Sunday, March 1st at 7:59PM EST (link)I see that honesty is not your strong point. You posted up thread that the RNC should make it plain to Romney that “he is not welcome at the party anymore”
So you did say that someone should leave the party. Ace before you make a bigger fool of yourself stop and think who is making a bigger contribution?
Traveling the country raising money, speaking for and supporting GOP candidates with thousands of dollars or sitting behind a keyboard crying about how bad the former is.
"AT" the party being the operative word...
AceInTX Monday, March 2nd at 3:46PM EST (link)If I was unclear on that point then my apologies…
My meaning was that your time has come and gone…thanks for your contribution to this point but we need to move on to a stronger field now!
I can see how you read that and I’ll go back to sucking on my shoe now!
:>)
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That was big of you
Cowboy Monday, March 2nd at 7:01PM EST (link)FWIW my opinion of you just took a big jump.
BTW I agree that his time has past even though I supported him.
However, as long as he is giving money to and helping good candidates I will keep sending money.
I wouldn't minimize his help to the party at all...
AceInTX Monday, March 2nd at 7:14PM EST (link)I just don’t think he should be president for the many reasons I’ve stated here one of which I admit is personal with me…but there are enough other reasons besides personal ones IMHO
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I like Guliani too
mom2oneson Sunday, March 1st at 4:52AM EST (link)He appears to be very genuine, honest and real. We need someone with that fatherly type you can trust me presence and he puts people at ease with the way he relates to them. He would be so perfect right now for the economy, people would not be reacting the way they are. He seems like a man’s man even if you don’t agree with him on everything you can trust him 100% and he will get things done.
Not to mention that he's never won
mbecker908 Saturday, February 28th at 8:16PM EST (link)reelection to anything.
Romney is an excellent businessman. I don’t happen to think his business skills translate particularly well to politics, any more than his dad’s did. I also think he’s way to nice. Personally, I’m looking for someone who can’t get through an entire sentence without using the phrase “f*ing Obama and his f*ing party” and was released from prison on a technicality after being convicted of being a serial killer who specialized in killing and eating professional politicians.
Contrast This
adamsweb Saturday, February 28th at 6:57PM EST (link)With the CNN poll that showed Palin at 29%, Huckabee at 26%, and Romney at 22% and you see the difference beltway insiders and people with money to burn on a $125 a night conference in DC and the grassroots of the Republican Party in middle America.
Exactly...
Josh LeGuern Saturday, February 28th at 9:57PM EST (link)….Iowa is also tailor made for candidates like Palin and Huckabee. Romney’s best hope is putting alot of money into New Hampshire and pray to come close in SC, where again people like Palin and Huckabee are going to do a lot better.
Unless we’re the state of the union is absolutely cut and dry dire in 2012 and what the media says is true about Palin, that she’s a total moron–which I don’t believe for a second, I have a feeling the GOP is going to be the first major party to nominate a woman for president.
I’ll also predict Palin will have a pretty good shot at winning on Nov. 6 too!
CPAC is all the hard core party faithful who fell for Romney when he started attacking their mortal enemy John McCain. Most of us regular conservative folk outside the beltway/talk radio class probably wouldn’t have picked McCain first, but think he’s alright and probably would have lacked enthusiasm voting for Romney.
I think Romney is a decent guy, miles better than Obama, but I don’t think he’d excite me the way Palin, Jindal or even Mike Huckabee would.
Quitting at CPAC last year was another gaff that disqualifies him in my eyes
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 10:31PM EST (link)I know in my heart of hearts he cut a deal…I can’t prove it…and I may be full of crap…but I believe it…
whatever the case…I was on the brink of signing on with him to stop McCain when he just quit and let the old fart have it…That to me…aside freom everything else I’ve mention here should disqualify him…especially if he did it because the party bosses promised him the nomination in 12 or 16!
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Now you are just looking for a reason to not support someone.
Brian Simpson Saturday, February 28th at 10:35PM EST (link)That’s pretty weak sauce Ace.
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I gave a bunch of reasons to oppose him in numerous posts before this...
AceInTX Sunday, March 1st at 2:10PM EST (link)This is just one more reason in a string…I really do believe there was a deal made…He’ll be the choice of the establishment this time around because he’s the heir to the Bush legacy…He’s a big government, compassionate conservative
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BrianGarst Saturday, February 28th at 10:04PM EST (link)Beltway insiders? Sorry, that’s just ridiculous. I was there. I talked to people. Those were not insiders. Hell, half of them were college students. Those people there are the grassroots. They are dedicated the time and energy to advancing conservative.
I don’t really take Romney’s win as much. The vote was very fractured as he was the only serious, and tenable, candidate returning from the last crop (sorry, Huckabee is a disaster for conservatism, and his meekly defensive speech at CPAC did nothing to alleviate his deserved criticism as a populist).
I like Palin, but why is everyone insisting on anointing her just because John McCain picked her for VP? And we know that’s the reason, because we know she wouldn’t be hardly anyones first choice if he hadn’t. I think she could probably be a good candidate and president, but she has to earn it. Give it to her without first considering the options is completely unnecessary.
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I totaly disagree
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 10:37PM EST (link)She was on my radar far before McGoo picked her and I think she showed during the primaries and through the beating she took why she should be seriously considered for the top next time…barring some catastrophe. The fact that McCain picked her has nothing whatsoever to do with her popularity in fact…had she not shaken off his advisers and come out swinging like she did I’d say the fact that he picked her was more a liability than an asset!
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Palin was on a bunch of peoples radars.. including mine too...
JLenardDetroit Saturday, February 28th at 10:46PM EST (link)That is/was why she was atop the VP list (for those of us) which is why there was some enthusiasm when she was picked for VP… She would remain atop the list of many of us as a wonderful new fresh face with the right message the Party needs… Her being named VP choice was just a plus (yes, a minus in that she has been pre-attacked by the MSM, but with time can over-come)…. Not saying she automatically is my pick in 2012, I will be OPEN (too many closed minds around already, though there are several I am not too keen on because of this last election and/or past ACTIONS) to see who else pops up and what else happens….
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AceinTX, Why must you keep making sense?
papalee Saturday, February 28th at 10:56PM EST (link)She was also someone I was looking at and I was surprised McGoo picked her. But I was elated that she stepped in and worked so hard to get Chamblis elected in Georgia. Weren’t McGoo’s folks gone then? Look how she did then!
She was the last one to go in
Rapunzel46 Sunday, March 1st at 1:30AM EST (link)and she went in big time for Chambliss, he had nothing but good things to say about her.
She is having her issues in Alaska right now, in the long run it’s probably a good thing, it lets her make her mistakes. learn and grow up there… Hopefully she will easily be re-elected, though if she does plan to run in 2012 she may not run for Governor so she can go full time running for President between 2010 and 2012.
Ann Coulter said today on Fox she wants her to wait until 2016 and let her kids all get more grown and gone and then run… and in the meantime read, read, read.
Yeah... where was McGoo?
AceInTX Sunday, March 1st at 2:16PM EST (link)She’s a star and will remain a star…with each attack by the so called main stream media she becomes stronger…She’s just not popular with the cocktail and finger food crowd because she’s not from Harvard and Yale and refuses to kiss their ivy league rings!
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I was hoping McCain would choose Palin
Rapunzel46 Sunday, March 1st at 1:26AM EST (link)and was very pleasantly surprised when he did. That said, it is a new game, we have three years. Maybe her coming in tied for third was a good thing, if it gets the press off her back and the Obots off the Anchorage Daily News blogs for a while.
In the meantime, Romney is not making any friends with me putting out statements like Bush is to blame for Stimulus, etc… and most everything Romney is coming out of Politico, which tells me he has them already in his pocket for the near future,..
Anyway, I say we all hang loose and when the debates begin form our Maginot lines then.
McCain was a defective Republican selection
dbecraft Sunday, March 1st at 1:31AM EST (link)from the start. Only the liberal Republicans thought that his nomination would make a difference (the base was solidly against him)…sooo, even though he chose a great VP, it would do him no good. The reverse might have made a difference though…
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True, but it was
Rapunzel46 Sunday, March 1st at 1:52AM EST (link)the sudden economic crisis that literally led to him dropping overnight in the polls and never regaining his footing. It is very possible to my way of thinking that was all orchestrated by someone like Soros to get Obama elected… and., like Newt said at CPAC, right now we would ALL be better off with McCain who we were fighting 20% of the time than Obama who we are going to have to fight 90% of the time.
Yes, We would have been much better off
dbecraft Sunday, March 1st at 2:21AM EST (link)if McCain were elected, but sorry, I really doubt that he would have been elected under the best of circumstances. He was just way too weak with the base - turnout would have determined his fate if the economic problems did not…
I don’t disagree that other factors came into play also (nefarious - maybe)…
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Well said dbcraft nt
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I totally disagree...McCain voted for TARP
AceInTX Sunday, March 1st at 2:33PM EST (link)and was advised to by Romney. He was for global cap and trade, He was for Federalizing the health care system…I’m not sure where he is on nationalizing banks but hie favorite butt boy is out there calling for it…and on to of that…everything he’d have done, we’d have been saddled with, forced to explain it, appologize for it…and act like we supported it…All has squish supporters would be on our backs right now whipping us mercilessly to shut up and get in line…
With Obama…the issues and the enemy is clearly defined…I thank God McCain didn’t win this election…and I’ll fight like hell to make sure the establishment that gave us McCain won’t get their boy in 2012!
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I actually agree with Romney there...Hog meet nut!
AceInTX Sunday, March 1st at 2:27PM EST (link)Bush is to blame for the stimulus…He and Paulson kicked the door in with TARP…”how can anyone argue about giving the little guy trillions when Bush gave greedy bankers 2/4 of a trillion dollars?”
That said…I will not concede that we need to wait till the primaries to draw our lines in the sand…people need to know what these politicians are doing…who they are forming alliances with…I know I sound like a broken record but the reason we keep being subjected to rule by the establishment of this party as represented by Romney. They’ve been allowed to operate in the shadows in off years. I’m not playing the game anymore…I’m watching them and I’ll shout their missteps from the rooftops!
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I will be watching for you to name "NAMES"
papalee Saturday, March 7th at 1:48PM EST (link)so that we can all join in the watch. The Rockefeller RINOS have spent years doing us all in with Socialism lite.
I like Romney...
Josh LeGuern Sunday, March 1st at 12:51AM EST (link)He’s just not all that to me. He’s not the next Reagan like some of my friends think.
I like Palin, I like Romney, I like Jindal, I like Huckabee. I could support any one of those four people, but out of all them I am least excited about Romney.
Also..
BrianGarst Saturday, February 28th at 10:09PM EST (link)It was $150 for all three days. If you’re going to be unnecessarily insulting to people you know nothing about, try to at least get the verifiable facts straight.
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He's too wishy washy
Kayla Saturday, February 28th at 8:47PM EST (link)First he supports Tarp, now he doesn’t He was for the auto bailout, but not anymore. He supported $50 abortions and restrictions on gun rights. That’s not gonna play well in the South, I can tell you that now. Yes, he can talk economics on tv, I just don’t think he’s the one. Shop around.
He can talk economics on TV just like a talks every issue!
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 8:58PM EST (link)He talks and talks and talks…but does the oposite…or he lies about what he’s done in the past. The man is as stiff as Al Gore and twice as boring! He attacks his potential allies as religious bigots, claims he’s converted and is now pro life while backing an abortion loving RINO in CA, says he’s fiscally conservative but brags about his socialist Health Care law in Mass, He backed a bailout of Detroit before Bush and Paulson even concived of TARP and then advocated McCain sign onto the boondoggle…and on top of that he now says that TARP and the Detroit Bailout was a bad idea!
I mean…why is he even a consideration is beyond me!
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Am I the only one who would have like to have seen Duncan Hunter there!?! nt
barry915barry Saturday, February 28th at 10:01PM EST (link)You area aware Duncan Hunter
Rapunzel46 Sunday, March 1st at 9:25PM EST (link)was the largest recepient of money from the lobby firm under fire due to Murtha right now — aren’t you?
I am now, Rapunzel.
barry915barry Monday, March 2nd at 8:46AM EST (link)Just liked what I have previously understood to be very solid conservative credentials.
nothing poll, no importance
nivlem Saturday, February 28th at 10:19PM EST (link)call me back in two years……
This is not about who can handle the situation in 2012, it is about today….
this is a stupid poll- with the exception to show the devided in the party….
Rommey is a given today because of his economic background…..other
then that…it’s a toss up…..
It’s so unimportant because we are only beginning to grasp the danger and the
depth of the Obama plan. The first Reuplican that can grasp and articulate
a clear, God given freedom choice and direction will be the one that
will be given this leadership.
God Bless us all and our country.
Heh
AceInTX Saturday, February 28th at 10:39PM EST (link)Why is he a given…because everyone says so?
Look at his record…even a cursory look at his record shows the vapidness of that staement
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JQA Saturday, February 28th at 11:15PM EST (link)Just gotta comment on this notion that Mitt Romney cut a deal with Politico - did you actually read Politico at all during the primary? Romney got no favorable coverage there whatsoever. It was a sickening McCain lovefest!
JQA...It's a recent phenomenon, They seem to be all in for Romney this go round nt
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New game....FOCU
nivlem Saturday, February 28th at 11:43PM EST (link)I am sick and tired of “you all” runing your mouths on some ficticous candidate
for 2012….
Let’s try a new tune…..
30 second phrase on what we care about as Americans
30 second phrase on how we, as Americans can survive
30 second phrase to combat the racism that we know is going to come
30 second phrase that convinces the middle class we care about them
30 second phrase we cand tell the elderly we love them.
30 SECOND ANYTHING THAT WILL KEEP US FROM FOCUSING ON
WHO AND WHAT WE ARE……..
OK Mr. 30 second phrase...why don't you start us off! nt
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I meant FOCUS, however....
nivlem Saturday, February 28th at 11:48PM EST (link)****
Romney opposed amnesty
publiussteve Sunday, March 1st at 12:06AM EST (link)Another good thing about Romney is his opposition to amnesty for illegal immigrants, including his opposition to “pathway to citizenship” a/k/a amnesty.
OK...he was right once...does that mean he should be POTUS? nt
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This was all fun, but...
bs Sunday, March 1st at 12:18AM EST (link)2012 is 3+ years away. We have plenty of other Republicans to beat the crap out of before 2010. So we should probably spend time on those circular firing squads first.
Or we could focus on the Democrats.
Decorum is fo’ suckas
Say it again brother!
barry915barry Sunday, March 1st at 8:53AM EST (link)I am not opposed, however, to targeting an ineffective or a rino (from the Right).
Circular Firing squads?
AceInTX Sunday, March 1st at 3:32PM EST (link)How about and about face and shoot the SOBs that are stabbing us in the back?
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bs Sunday, March 1st at 4:29PM EST (link)I call them “people with a different opinion”. Sorry that everyone doesn’t meet your standards.
Decorum is fo’ suckas
Come on bs
AceInTX Sunday, March 1st at 4:40PM EST (link)maybe you’re aptly named…
It has nothing to do with meeting my standards…it has to do with standing for something and not cutting your trench mate’s throat when the battle is on!
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I have had my fill
bs Sunday, March 1st at 5:34PM EST (link)of your beating up nothing but Republicans. If you’d expend just a fraction of your energy on the Democrats you’d be far more productive. I don’t think I have EVER seen you post anything in opposition to them.
Decorum is fo’ suckas
Because The Democrats aren't our problem right now...
AceInTX Monday, March 2nd at 3:28PM EST (link)I’m opposed to every single thing the Democrats do…But I’m even more opposed to those on our side who want to help them do it! I also know nothing we say right now has any credibility with the public because of all the people I’m obsessing about!
My issue is that we’ll never stop the Democrats till we stop our guys from colluding with them! We’ll never stop the Democrats by electing Romney who is only a dim shadow of them. We’ll never defeat them till we can get the Republican Caucus in the Senate to not put Arlen Specter who opposes the party on it’s judicial philosophy as chairman for the Senate Judiciary Committee and ditto other Senators who oppose our agenda heading up committees where they oppose us!…or putting John Sydney McCain who agrees more with Democrats than he ever did with his own party as the Nominee for POTUS. We’ll never make any progress against the Democrats while we have back biting gutter snipes attacking Palin and other good conservatives from the shadows with the tacit endorsement of their bosses and Party leadership. We’ll never make headway against the Democrats until we deal with the political fifth column in our party who formed themselves into a group dedicated specifically to undermining and stopping the 1994 election landslide. Whose goals are stated without apology in their founding documents and statement of principles and happens to have their public faces those very Senators that sould us out on a near trillion dollar stimulous package! .
Am I overly obsessed with the squishes in this party and do I spend too much time attacking them?….Maybe….but I have no intention of stopping just because you’ve had your fill…if you don’t like what I have to say…then don’t read my posts and ignore my thread posts from now on!
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Way too early to tell...
dbecraft Sunday, March 1st at 12:55AM EST (link)but I really want a charismatic speaker who articulate conservative ideas and jokes back at the media when they put him/her down. Getting the points of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights across to the individual is the important thing, especially during the times that seem to be coming… This may be the last chance…
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About three years too early...
dbecraft Sunday, March 1st at 1:04AM EST (link)Our conservative representative will become apparent in about two years time. It may be someone who is currently the conservative leader but most likely NOT… Actually, we do NOT have a conservative leader at this point - just a Republican leader…
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Any candidate field has to narrow...
6eorge Jetson Sunday, March 1st at 2:24AM EST (link)…and that narrowing does not favor Romney.
Conservatives - 41% (Jindal/Palin/Gingrich/Sanford)
Moderates - 30% (Romney/Huckabee/Guliani)
X-factor - 13% (Paul)
Other -16% (Pawlenty/Crist/Field)
You have it mislabeled...
kingsley Sunday, March 1st at 7:16AM EST (link)Paul is by far the most conservative in the group, at least economically. More socially liberal though.
At any rate he represents most of the Goldwater Republicans the best nowadays. And some of the others you have listed there are not fiscally conservative in the least.
In your guts, you know he's nuts.
Achance Sunday, March 1st at 11:08AM EST (link)That was the Democrat spin on Goldwater’s “In your heart, you know he’s right.” It more truly applies to Paul. The man cannot be taken seriously.
In Vino Veritas
Amen nt
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If Paul runs outside of the Republican party in the general
6eorge Jetson Monday, March 2nd at 8:56AM EST (link)as he did in 2008, you can’t project his support to fall to another candidate.
Thje problem I see George...
AceInTX Sunday, March 1st at 3:36PM EST (link)you have 30% moderates for Huckabee, Romney and Guliani and 16% representing liberals like Crist, or Pawlenty, (I’m not familiar with Field…
That’s 46% whop would vote for Romney if he’s faced with a real conservative with a chance to stick it to the establishment!
I like your scalpel though!
:>)
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Crist & Pawlenty only garnered 3% so I grouped them w/ "the field"
6eorge Jetson Monday, March 2nd at 9:04AM EST (link)which in aggregate must have garnered 13%, but individually less than Crist’s 1%. So that makes only 33% for the moderate/liberal candidates vs 41% for the conservatives (not counting Paul).
Becasue They Are Squishes And
rcov092 Monday, March 2nd at 9:51AM EST (link)their followers are squishes not committal on anything, nor core principle other than the principle of “ME” which is the same as the “One”.
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I see...nt
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Now we know who wins NH for 2012
jackbenimble Sunday, March 1st at 11:00AM EST (link)Charlie Crist — 1 percent
It does not matter who conservatives want so long as we allow blue states to choose our nominee.
“I repudiate the idea of voting for a Democrat
Crist Will Run For Senate In 2010....
rcov092 Monday, March 2nd at 9:53AM EST (link)and if we are extremely lucky in Florida we will beat him in the Primary, otherwise Florida’s Senators will both be Dems.
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Have conservatives learned nothing?
skymuse Sunday, March 1st at 1:20PM EST (link)Romney is another “electable” faux-con, Jindal is a pretty good governor but is in no way ready for primetime.
If we don’t get back to supporting hardnosed conservatives, the electoral slide to the socialist abyss will continue. There is no way that conservatives will be more excited or turn out more for Romney or Jindal than they did McCain or Dole.
I dig Palin, but she’s also not ready for primetime, and there are other question marks about her. Paul’s heart is in the right place, but he’s already saddled with the “insane” image even in our own tent. Everyone else in this poll is a pretender with no realistic shot.
AHHHHAHHHHHHH!!!! The sky is falling....WE HAVE NO HOPE!!!!! nt
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Much like Skymuse said...
dbecraft Sunday, March 1st at 4:23PM EST (link)but who are you anyway…? No hope! Maybe you are just one of those non-Conservative Republicans looking to bring the party to the left so you can compete with the Democrats? Yes, we may win with that supposition, but what will it gain? Oh, I know, lessen the rate that the country moves left - my bad…
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I want to move the country left? Are you serious?
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Sorry, but your "Sky is falling" comment was
dbecraft Sunday, March 1st at 4:39PM EST (link)taken as an opposite reaction…but that then asks why you took offense to Skymuse’s comments?
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It just sounded so defeatist...I guess it struck my sarcasm button...nt
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Well, I would think that things are sooo...bad
dbecraft Sunday, March 1st at 4:47PM EST (link)now with Obama, that you might think of the future of the country instead of electing your favorite candidate… Oh well, at least you have the country at heart - mostly…
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Obviously you don't get it...it's not about my fovorite candidate and never has been
AceInTX Monday, March 2nd at 1:53PM EST (link)“Well, I would think that things are sooo…bad”…why would I support candidates who will aid and abet everything is trying to do?
seriously…if you do the same thing over and over again…why would you expect a different result…in other words…if you keep on electing Republicans who are complicit in…and insist on…passing the democrat agenda in the name of “bipartisanship”…why would you expect anything to be passed that doesn’t help Obama forward his agenda…
This is enough to make my head explode!
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WOW Ace you have now been accused of wanting...
JadedByPolitics Sunday, March 1st at 5:02PM EST (link)to move the country to the left…how freakin insane is that?
There seems to be a problem on this site and it appears that problem is alot of Paulites and haters of Rush who are calling themselves conservatives….and the same old tired people who are “satisfied” with a moderate….I suspect you are right as of this day that there is NO HOPE however I suspect that come 2010 when we retake the House it will be clearer to whom WE all shall see rise to the top!
Patience is a virtue that all in the grassroots ought to partake of this early in the next Presidential election!
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does not destroy him is his own enemy
No..not at all...
dbecraft Sunday, March 1st at 5:05PM EST (link)He just has become so sarcastic that his comments are very hard to determine… That is his problem. A Conservative yes, a clear and coherent responder he is not… That is a problem that he needs to address..
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Heh...if you know me you know darn well when I'm being sarcastic...
AceInTX Monday, March 2nd at 1:56PM EST (link)as far as a clear and coherant responder goes…if you have a hard time understanding me then I don’t know what to tell you…but there are pleanty here that have no problem at all.
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Wow, what a crock you are providing...
dbecraft Sunday, March 1st at 5:11PM EST (link)“There seems to be a problem on this site and it appears that problem is alot of Paulites and haters of Rush who are calling themselves conservatives….and the same old tired people who are “satisfied” with a moderate….I suspect you are right as of this day that there is NO HOPE however I suspect that come 2010 when we retake the House it will be clearer to whom WE all shall see rise to the top!”
I love Palin and Rush (actually Rush’s speech got me back into the commenting stage here - I know, much to your dismay). You are so wrong and out of it that it needs no further response…Heh.
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Much to my dismay...I don't believe I have ever...
JadedByPolitics Sunday, March 1st at 5:21PM EST (link)paid any attention to you specifically at all no matter what your ego tells you! I only referenced you specifically for calling out Ace for wanting the party to go left….on the rest of my comment I was addressing an issue I have noticed on this site for over 2 weeks now. I actually love Palin and respect Rush too so drop your attitude and get a life!
Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy
I find it fonny he accuses me of being a poor responder
AceInTX Monday, March 2nd at 2:10PM EST (link)when he turns around and attacks people out of context…Me?…I remember people for the most part and I take them in the context of the person I know them to be…
I’m not so arrogant as to think I’m never wrong…and I’ll take my lumps and acknowledge it when someone justifiably pins my ears back…but my memory of dbecraft is that he’s of the school that teaches one Republican is as good as any other and having the numbers is all that matters regardless what those we elect do!
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Elect John Galt
farstar99 Sunday, March 1st at 1:53PM EST (link)None of the treasonous, “ex-Republican” Obama cultists who helped elect ObamaCommie are going to vote for names they’ve heard before.
These are the miserable, crouching cretins who voted Republican once or twice not out of conviction but because their emotions, like guilt, were tweaked by something like 9/11.
Reason and logic mean nothing to them, so the approach, and candidate, have to appeal to conservatives through reason, libertarians (both of them) through liberty and the simple-minded through fuzzy good feelings and hysterical rhetoric.
It’s a multi-pronged approach, something the GOP can’t handle, so I would hope they’re hiring professionals.
What? No discussion about Newt.
Nelsen Sunday, March 1st at 4:10PM EST (link)Honestly, I believe he is the best man for the job in 2012, especially in the unlikely case that Obama hasn’t destoyed the country and is still somewhat popular.
I would say Pence is my number two choice after him.
And I think ya’ll are being too hard on Paul. He isn’t perfect, but there sure are a lot of appealing things about him. I think part of the GOP’s problem is we aren’t as radically conservative as the dems are radically liberal. Paul could help in this respect, but certainly not on the top of the ticket and with anything to do with foreign policy. Some kind of economic advisor, or treasury secretary would be good.
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He is a great IDEAS man, just not someone who
dbecraft Sunday, March 1st at 4:25PM EST (link)could actually compete for President. Too bad really…but that is the way it is…(someone famous said that, I think)…
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My first posts on RedState always had the line "I do not like McCain and I do not trust Romney"
ZootSuit Monday, March 2nd at 9:56AM EST (link)But I may have changed a bit. As strange as it may seem, especially when you consider that I did not vote for him, I am actually beginning to like McCain. The reason is because we condemning him for doing what just about every other major Republican, so-called conservative politician has done. The only difference is, when someone other than John McCain does it, we so-called conservatives still support and even laud them.
Let’s look at Mitt Romney for an example.
Mitt Romney ran for office (not only for Governor but also for U.S. Senator earlier) as pro-abortion and even pro-gay rights. His “Romney-care,” which is bankrupting the state of Massachusetts, is virtually identical to “Hillary-Care” and may actually even be a little bit to the Left of Obama’s healthcare plans. Moreover, Mitt Romney won the Michigan Primary by promising an “auto bailout”; and this before Obama, Pelosi or even Bush got the idea. Indeed, it was Mitt Romney who was pushing McCain to come out in favor of the bank bailout: If John McCain had come our against the bailout and championed a more free market-based solution, he would have won.
In fact, comparing Mitt Romney and John McCain, McCain does not look so bad. I think the finest moments in John McCain’s political career was when he opposed Romney’s “auto bailout” plan in Michigan and Crist’s “Federal catastrophic hurricane insurance” in Florida. Moreover, I think McCain was correct when he accused Romney of supporting a “timetable for withdrawal” in Iraq before it was clear that the siurge was working.
Yet, for all this, Mitt Romney currently polled as the front-runner at CPAC!
Conservatives deserve to lose!
And the fault is not with Mitt Romney. The fault really isn’t with any of our politicians: they are just politicians who are pandering for our votes. The fault is with us conservatives, because we keep giving them our votes when they are not conservative.
Indeed, I think those of you who are arguing for “closed” primaries are way off. Personally, I think “open” primaries have their advantages and should remain in the GOP nomination process. But for those who still want only “closed” primaries and think they would result in something better, just look at this straw poll. This was at CPAC, ladies and gentlemen. This straw poll was conducted amongst — and ONLY amongst — the so-called “hardcore conservatives” that would be part of a GOP “closed” primary.
And a squish/fake like Mitt Romney still won!
The problem is not “open” primaries or even our flawed candidates. The problem is us!
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TxCon Monday, March 2nd at 3:44PM EST (link)George Allen would have been a great conservative candidate in 2008.