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The vaunted youth vote gets a cold dose of reality

This video, from the U.S. Senate campaign of Rep. Roy Blunt, who is running against MO Sec’y of State Robin Carnahan for Sen Kit Bond’s seat, caught my eye for several reasons:

  • I went to the University of Missouri, which is strongly represented in the vid
  • One of my kids is a college student, and the other one soon will be
  • I was amused by the blather about the youth vote in 2008, and this video points to a trend that I fully expected

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Looks like maybe the “youth vote” is wising up.  But why?

As of February, 2010, ABC News reported that the recent college graduate unemployment rate was running just under 19% – about 2x what the overall rate was at the time.  According to the National Association of Colleges & Employers, average salaries of recent grads dropped about 1.3%.   37% of 18-29 year-olds have been unemployed during this recession.  And more than 2/3 of college students are graduating with student loans.  With all that going on, the last thing that students seem to be concerned about is voting.

Last week the NYT published an interesting front-page piece: “Fewer Young Voters See Themselves as Democrats” (which was brought to my attention by none other than my 20-year old college student):

The college vote is up for grabs this year — to an extent that would have seemed unlikely two years ago, when a generation of young people seemed to swoon over Barack Obama.

Though many students are liberals on social issues, the economic reality of a weak job market has taken a toll on their loyalties: far fewer 18- to 29-year-olds now identify themselves as Democrats compared with 2008.

“Is the recession, which is hitting young people very hard, doing lasting or permanent damage to what looked like a good Democratic advantage with this age group?” asked Scott Keeter, the director of survey research at the Pew Research Center, a nonpartisan group. “The jury is still out.”

How and whether millions of college students vote will help determine if Republicans win enough seats to retake the House or Senate, overturning the balance of power on Capitol Hill, and with it, Mr. Obama’s agenda. If students tune out and stay home it will also carry a profound message for American society about a generation that seemed so ready, so recently, to grab national politics by the lapels and shake.

That “whether” word is important for the Democrats.  Just last week, Gallup published polling results showing that the enthusiasm levels of black and youth voters have plummeted since the 2008 election.  “Thought given to the election” by 18-29 year-olds is at the lowest level since 2002.

And even the Democrats are crying DOOM!

Philip Stricker, 21, a biology major who voted for Mr. Obama but says he has not been paying much attention to politics lately, uses a nontechnical term to describe the phenomenon.

“There’s a vibe,” he said on a recent afternoon, while pumping weights at the gym. “Right now it seems like Republicans just care a lot more than Democrats.”

A spokeswoman for the university’s chapter of College Democrats, Mandi Asay, 22, said her group battled apathy on one hand and anger on the other.

“People are angry — about the budget deficit, health care plan, angry about this and that,” she said. “I feel like Republicans definitely, definitely have a chance of getting back on their feet.”

They should be angry, with an unemployment rate that’s 2x that of the rest of the country.  Although the youth vote still skews heavily Democrat (by a 12-point margin as of last April), that makes little difference if they are too indifferent to show up.

The Economist, not exactly a conservative bastion, notes this indifference and disillusionment:

WHY, asks a Democrat leading a training session for fellow activists, doesn’t “Yes we can” work as a slogan any more? “Because we haven’t,” a jaded participant responds. Progressives, as bedrock Democrats like to call themselves, are despondent. The election euphoria of 2008, when their party secured heavy majorities in both chambers of Congress and Barack Obama won the presidency with ease, has deflated so rapidly that analysts are now diagnosing on the left an affliction they ascribed to the Republicans back then: an “enthusiasm gap”.

The present gap is really more of a chasm. Gallup, a pollster, reckons that a mere 28% of Democrats are “very enthusiastic” about voting, compared to 44% of Republicans. By the same token the Pew Research Centre found in June that only 37% of liberal Democrats were “more enthusiastic than usual” about going to the polls, compared with 59% of conservative Republicans. And according to an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll the same month, the categories of voters whose interest in elections has dimmed the most since the last one are liberals and those who voted for Mr Obama (see chart). “You can’t deny the level of disappointment,” says Raul Grijalva, a Democratic representative from Arizona and head of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

Rep. Blunt’s campaign video seems to accurately reflect the gloom and disillusionment of many recent college grads.  The youth vote may still lean towards the Democrats, but the longer they are out of college and living in Mom’s basement, the deeper the disgust with Obama policies will become, and conservative Republicans like Roy Blunt will be successful in defeating Obama lapdogs like Robin Carnahan.

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  • http://charlemagne-the-hammer.blogspot.com/ DerKrieger

    No offense to your kids but I think, in general, most young people don’t have the knowledge required to make an informed vote. They’re the group to whom Obama’s “coolness” and “hipness” mattered most, well ahead of reason and thoughtful consideration of the issues. My son is 17, thinks he’s a Liberal, and I thank GOD that he can’t vote yet.
    Most youth simply haven’t experienced life to a degree that turns them off of government, i.e. they haven’t had to pay taxes and until you look at your paystub and see just how much the government steals you really can’t appreciate the Conservative philosophy.

    “If you’re not a Liberal when you’re young, you have no heart. If you’re not a Conservative when you’re older, you have no brain.” – attributed to Churchill

  • Michael Dugas

    Not only are they competing with other grads for fewer jobs but also against experienced applicants who have found themselves in the job market and are offering that experience at a much cheaper price.

    I feel for them but I also hope they are learning something about consequences. Maybe some day soon conservatism will be the new cool.

  • Bill S

    If so, as you note, we probably wouldn’t be in the shape we’re in.

  • E Pluribus Unum

    As long as it’s not a Volt!

  • acat

    Want to vote for a Senator? The question before “Which candidate do you vote for” should be a multiple choice “Who are your current senators”.

    At least in my neck of the woods, the ballots are scantron – color the ovals – so easy enough to code for “If question # 17 is wrong, invalidate question # 18″ …

    Just sayin’

    Mew

  • acat

    The day a professor who knew I was thinking of going into teaching pulled me aside and pointed out that he’d be my competition for jobs.

    That started a serious career track re-think…

    Mew

  • http://charlemagne-the-hammer.blogspot.com/ DerKrieger

    Strip the right to vote from anyone on a public assistance program. If you have a vested interest in higher taxes for actual taxPAYERS then you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

    Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment aren’t public assistance.

  • AceInTX
  • redcometchar2010

    I am a recent MBA graduate (odd in my case because I went straight in from undergrad) and I haven’t been able to find a job four months after graduation. I am applying for teller positions just to get some money in my pocket to pay off my school loans. I also live in my mother’s basement. I can’t (and don’t considering my politics) speak for my age group (I’m 24), but I’m sorry we helped scr*w this country over. I didn’t vote for Obama (I’ve been a conservative Republican going on three years now), but for every one of me there are three of my “peers” that vote the other way. If someone wanted to apply a civics test for the right to vote I wouldn’t mind at all. I’d actually support it. When I read the reports of X percent of high school graduates can’t name which party controls Congress or who the Vice President is, it just drives me to drink. People need to read a book or two other than “The Communist Manifesto” or “A People’s History of the United States” and learn something.

    Kids these days…

  • Tbone

    post partum abortion. Tell him before birth it is the mother’s right to choose. After birth it is the father’s. See how supportive he is of that.

  • Michael Dugas

    Don’t get me wrong, we have 2 other teachers in our family and there are a whole lot of good teachers out there doing good work, I love teachers. It’s just that let’s be real here the pay sucks and if you actually care about the kids then the stress level is high. She didn’t listen and spent five or so years broke before going back to school and becoming….cough…a …..ahh man she became a lawyer. Considerably more bang for your buck. Much better jokes too.

  • Bill S
  • E Pluribus Unum

    I just can’t say the words “thank you” to that jerk.

  • aesthete

    and perhaps cruel, but I feel little sympathy for college grads who supported Obama. They’re by far the most self-entitled, ignorant demographic out there, and they don’t come close to realizing it. Watching the video just depressed me further: one of the girls in the video said that she majored in public relations and media, and one of the guys confessed that he blew 40K attending college to pursue a lifelong dream of… manual labor. And they wonder why they can’t get employment?! College kids who get worthless degrees subsidized by the taxpayer and complain about their hiring prospects afterwards get no sympathy from me. Got college loans? Tough; get an entry-level job, work hard, and save money to pay them off. If you’re young and single, you have no excuse not to actively seek employment. Having a college degree is reason to think of any type of labor as “beneath you”. College students are not entitled to their jobs: no one is. It’s nice that these kids apparently understand the problems with large government; the more the merrier. And to be sure, there are some great college kids with exactly the right attitude and outlook on life and work (some of them in this video, in all likelihood). I wish them all the best, and I hope that they reap the rewards of hard work. Those who attended school for a Chicano Studies degree, on the other hand, can suck up their tears and reap the consequences of their bad decisions: the sob story of the liberal arts major without work is absolutely pathetic, and why anyone cares about such self-absorbed squalling is beyond me.

    /rant

  • JSobieski

    and you will increase the number of self-identified conservatives in a couple of weeks.

  • Finrod

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  • JSobieski

    I distinctly remember when my RA ran for city council of Evanston. It was written up in all the papers how he was the “University candidate.”

    He was very popular with students, but he ended up with a remarkably few votes. Not only did he not win, he came in dead last even though the University dominated the particular War. Nobody registered to vote, or nobody voted.

    Good news is that he has a great career in sports announcing. Funny thing is, his bio on wiki doesn’t mention any of it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Geffner

  • JSobieski

    Its how they react to the “I am digging ditches for a living” reality that you should judge them on.

    They were sold a bag of goods by so many people, including parents, administrators, etc.

    Libs decry Big Pharma, but its Big Ed that needs a haircut.

    Ditto your sentiments on Chicano Studies, and all the esoteric stuff.

    I got an engineering degree for my undergrad years and I am ashamed to admit that I resented the people scating through–particularly in my fraterinty.

  • Achance

    deal with it. Arrogant little brats and single, divorced, and never married women elected the communist SOB. The fundamental problem is that they are allowed to vote.

  • mboyle1988

    I don’t think you should raise the voting age. I think you should change qualifications. If you don’t pay income tax, you don’t vote. If you pay income tax, no matter your age, you do vote. If you have paid income tax for 20+ years, you earn lifetime voting privileges.

  • zarathustra57

    If only wives voted the way their husbands told them to, this nation would be so much better off, by jiminey! Damn kids and their iPods, this is all YOUR fault! (Actually, Obama took every age demo under 65, though the 45-64 split was just about 50/50.)

    Maybe the “fundamental problem” isn’t letting unmarried women, minorities and people under the age of 30 vote, but the fact that McCain ran a horrible campaign and that the GOP has, time and time again, let itself be slapped as the party of, well, “Old White Men”, with nothing to offer these other Americans.

    Thankfully, with some fantastic female candidates poised to win Senatorial and Gubernatorial races this election cycle, as well as candidates from a multitude of racial and ethnic backgrounds, this might be the year we put a stake through the “Old White Men” meme’s heart. Personally, I think offering Americans of all stripes alternatives to socialism is more productive than griping about Those Damn Kids, but, maybe that’s just me.

  • Achance

    See where I said “single, divorced, and never married women.” What does that have to do with wives doing as their husband says? You’re just a “celebrate diversity” Talking Point-O-Matic. Comrade Obama was elected on emotion unguided by reason and the demographics I described are most given to acting on emotion unguided by reason.

  • apen

    You hit the nail on the head. At least one of them. I suspect the complex issues of youth have as many reasons as they do answers for any given question.

    Polling the local youth and my own kids I find they are simply in need of the truth. They can weigh information if they have it. That’s the medias duty or danger of being provider of all things youth. My kids know why they trust me and it isn’t because I promise a lot it is because I show them the right way and allow them to choose and when wrong I make sure they admit why. It is worth every minute to raise a child to be a discerning adult.

  • maindependent

    I’d be interested to know how many of those filmed or their contemporaries have visited their local armed forces recruiter or applied for a Peace Corp or Teach America position. All three are great leadership learning experiences and you can vote absentee.

  • bk

    Are kids in 2010 going to sit still long enough to watch 3-4 mins of anything?

    It was good in expressing the reality of the real world vs the idealism of academia that Obama fed off of. It never struck me before, but the Obama campaign was like a vapid Miss America Q&A of old in a way – vote for Obama and the world will be filled with peace and love.

    On the down side, it felt a little too scripted in parts and for God’s sake couldn’t they have spelled “absence” correctly at the 1:25 mark?

  • AceInTX
  • tigertooth

    We don’t need to raise the voting age, we need to have a better informed youth who will appreciate our Constitution, the sacirifices made for it, and the importance of our Republic based upon a free enterprise system. Our Public Schools and Universities must be rid of teachers and professors who have amission to indoctrinate rather than teach the truth of our American Heritage.
    The young men and women of our country are nor stupid. They have purposefully been dumbed down with fragmented teaching to the test, little to no personal or civic responsibilty, and a history of lies.
    Our youth is the future of our country. If we continue to ignore the infiltration of our educational system on all levels, our country will continue down the path of self destruction!

  • greyhawk

    So folks, welcome to the Kinder, Gentler America since we elected a president who is revered by Radical Muslims the world over, revered by Communist Dicatators the world over, revered by the Russians because he took down the nuclear shield that was in place in Eastern Europe as a reminder to the Empire Building Russians that they better not dare invade their neighbors.

    Now, we are going to go the way of France and England and other European Nations where they have allowed Muslims and Their Sharia Laws to supplant their civil laws. Where Rule is By Violence or Threats of Violence.
    Is it not pathetic that if you threaten to punch your next door neighbor in the nose that your neighbor can go and file a charge against you and you will be arrested for making terroristic threats, but if you are a Terrorist Religious Cult, you can Threaten To Murder American Citizens, and our government Does Absolutely Nothing, and in fact appeases the Radical Muslims.

    The Muslims have basically laid down the gauntlet that says: “If any American or Anybody Else dare Offend Us, We Will Terrorize You.” And, what is really sickening about this is the fact that our own government and mainstream media is on the side of the Radical Muslims, and will use all the power of the U.S. Govenrnment and All the Power Of The Mainstream Media to Squash Anybody or Any Group that dares challenge them.

    Welcome Folks to the New United Fascist States Of America. Fascism defined means “No opposition allowed.” This, my friends, is what our government has just told us. Also, look at what they are doing to Arizona and other States Who Dare Defend the Legitimate Laws of the Land.

    Better wake up folks and rally Conservative Voters on November 2, 2010. At the rate the Obama-Pelosi Regime Dictatorship is moving, there may never be any elections ever again. If they will not tolerate basic First Amendment Rights of Speech and Expression, how long do you think they will tolertate the rest of the Bill of Rights and the U.S. Constitution, which one of the Communists in the Congress, Al Cee Hastings recently said when he was asked about the constitutionality of the Socialized Medicine Bill which they call Obama Care, Hastings replied: “What, the Constitution?? WE, The U.S. Congress do not care anything about the Constituton.” Al Cee Hastings was speaking for All of Congress and the President of the USA.

    If you care about your freedoms and you do care about the Constitution, you need to get Out The Vote and Take America Back, and Totally Ignore the Mainstream Media, because they have just shown us how far they will go to Aid and Abet Our Enemies while Squashing A U.S. Citizen who dares express his Displeasure with Islam and With This Government and the Obama Regime.

  • ywhyvon1

    Being used as a tool of the left when he stated on National television ( I don’t remember which one) something along the idea that ” All of the really smart kids from the really good schools are votoing for Obama”.

    BWAHHHHHHHH

  • JadedByPolitics

    would become disillusioned and would be heartbroken at the REALITY of politics and well once again I am correct because I am JadedByPolitics and I became that way because of the LYING of politicians :)

    OBTW if they don’t get a job then all the more better because they VOTED for their own joblessness, they should hang their heads in shame! WE old people will get those jobs before they do because WE have experience and WE are smarter then they are….you reap what you sow…haha!

  • congressworksforus

    The voting age for a given elected position should be the same as the minimum age required to RUN for said elected position.

    If they’re not wise enough to run for President until they are 35, who the heck thinks they are wise enough to VOTE for President???

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    once you get dipped in the stench-ridden void that is reality!

  • congressworksforus

    “Though many students are liberals on social issues”

    Nonsense. They’re not liberal, they are libertarian. The sooner we start referring to them correctly, the sooner we can wake them up they are NOT progressive liberals, and they’ll start voting the right danged way!

  • eburke

    Ummmm…..no.

    Did he mention married women?

    No.

    Try to actually respond to what the post said instead of using it as a launching point for whatever PC screed you’ve been itching to go on.

    (and FTR, poll after poll shows that there is no gender gap; what there is, is a tremendous gap between the voting habits of women who married a man and women who married the government)

  • mriggio

    to over-generalize and put it in a nutshell, college students:

    want to be entertained
    want to cut to the chase, get their deserved A, the quickest, easiest way possible
    require stroking (positive reinforcement)
    resist critical thinking
    lack any true historical perspective

    So what do you expect? They’ve been raised believing college guarantees an easy high-paying job, doing what they like, when & where they like, because they’re really smart. When a political candidate pushes those buttons, is cool & hip, and also provides a live band to entertain, they’re nearly always going to drink the Kool-Aid, whether any of it makes sense or not.

    Teh One spoke at my Illinois campus before he announced his Presidential run. I missed it for a lot of reasons, but mostly because I had to work. Anyhow, the resulting buzz within the staff & faculty was breathtaking–he simply had to become President, because he was just so, so wonderful; and sorry ladies, but to my jaded eye, this was markedly true with the females. I don’t want to speculate as to the classroom conversations that followed, but the bottom line is that 99%* of sentient humanity there was pro-Obama during and following the election.

    Factor in anti-Bush, anti-’everlasting war’, McCain?s so-called campaign (and That Woman), plus America’s First Black President?, and you get what we got. Are they waking up? Perhaps, but only because an empty wallet is a powerful motivator. Whether they?ve actually awakened, and are really beginning to smell the coffee beyond the broken promises, remains to be seen. Cheers!

    *The remaining 1% consisted of me and primarily other former military personnel. Go figure.

  • zarathustra57

    That’s the full phrase where you mentioned “single, divorced and married women”. You followed this up with, “The fundamental problem is they are allowed to vote”. That’s two sentences, guy. There’s not a lot there to misinterpret, though if I’m just missing some sarcasm, lemme know.

    Had to stifle some laughter after being called a “”celebrate diversity” Talking Point-O-Matic”, though. First time for everything, I guess.

  • Doc Holliday

    make election day a work holiday, all votes on election day.

  • zarathustra57

    Just as Art suggests Reading Comprehension and I should be better friends, The Process of Elimination’s a pretty good friend, as well.

    Admitted I threw in minorities due to the fact that’s actually the demo with the largest gap btwn voting Democratic and Republican, much more so than women or age. Jerk move on my part. Mea culpa.

    As to your second point, which is actually a pretty good one, this stems from a substantial shift in what issues are important to married women and to unmarried women. Useful? Demonstrating to single and divorced women, and the young, for that matter, how the GOP outperforms the Democrats on those issues, and does so through conservative, free-market solutions on issues like healthcare. Not so useful? Chalking it up to “Women do THIS, while Men do THAT!”

  • zarathustra57

    Nail on the head, friend!

  • izoneguy

  • Achance

    They’re certainly not liberal in any meaningful sense because they’re totally intolerant of anything that doesn’t fit the academic canon of celebrating diversity. They’re not libertarian because true philosophical libertarianism takes far more work than I’ve ever seen a college student be willing to do; most don’t do that thinkin’ stuff. They’re spoiled, undisciplined, and have lots of self-esteem and very little reason to have it.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    Accepts the consequences of their own behavior. Most modern “Libertatirans” are that way until the Visa Bill arrives in the mail.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    that gives them all blow-jobs every day and prevent them from having access to any power or making important decisions….

  • JSobieski

    coupled with a confidence that is totally undeserved.

    20 year olds who have accomplished nothing in life who are utterly convinced they know better than anyone else.

    Who does that sound like? Obama when he was in his 20s.!!!

    A 20 year old left-wing college punk is far more doctrinaire that the average 40 year old union stooge

  • Achance

    that one is a teacher and most likely a “single, divorced, or never married woman.”

  • Achance

    was to tell the DEA and ICE to stand down about a month before the election. That way a huge proportion of Comrade Obama’s support would have been too stoned to remember to go vote. We need to file that one away for the next election when we’re in power.

  • lbjgal

    Funny thing is with the unemployment so high, taxes high and most my friends settling for beggars of the year… Even my socialist girlfriend from college whom originally grew up in Europe is now realizing President Obama, the liberal Congress, and the U.S. government has too much power. My European friend learned their lesson when more than half their overtime pay went to taxes in the private sector.

    Sadly through my American born girlfriend from high school believes she’s better off under the current government. My American friend works in government.

    End of story

  • lbjgal

    In my case what should I do? I did not vote for Obama and a recent college graduate. However I am seeking employment. Due to my multiple physical disabilities there are some jobs I am unable to physically perform.

    Although the government sends me a monthly check not to work, I am still seeking employment. Meanwhile I intern and volunteer on most days in an office setting. The office setting allows me to be independent and continue to build my skills. However I have been interning for quite awhile. I even have been an intern at the White House.

    If you have any ideas please let me know.

    Much Thanks!

  • edintexas

    As someone who is retired, and living in a rural area, I would sorely miss early voting. Early voting allows my wife and I to stop and vote while we are in the nearest town on an errand, rather than having to make a special trip to vote. You may think that is a small inconvenience, but when you are on a fixed income you plan several activities on every trip to town so as to maximize use of the fuel (admittedly, I’d view this differently if there were still gas wars reducing the price to $0.149 per gallon – yes I remember them). I know we are not the only retired folks who appreciate, and take advantage of, early voting. Eliminating it would reduce the “geezer vote” to some degree, and that is a demographic group we don’t want to see diminished in turnout.

  • http://www.2010blog.net jsanzone

    If not hedonist. So once in a while you’ll hook them with a fad (Obama) but normally they are far more interested in drunken sex than anything remotely philosophical, purposeful…

    Feel free to disagree of course, but in a decent majority of today’s college students I’d be willing to bet you’d find this to be the case.

  • http://www.2010blog.net jsanzone

    We need to be careful not to assume that wanting to be left alone to get high or whatever doesn’t equate to understanding the fundamentals of liberty.

  • aesthete

    If you haven’t already done so, lower your standards. That helped me in getting a job quickly, and allowed me to demonstrate productivity, work skills, professionalism, etc. Since you are interning, you are certainly showing these qualities quite well to prospective employers. Second, I’d look and post on Craigslist for job offerings: although there are certainly plenty of jobs that are manual labor, there are others that involve less physical labor, such as work with the elderly. If you are good at school/live near a university, tutoring offers a good opportunity to make money. In addition, make contacts with professors in your area of expertise, or even “hobby” areas: ask them to meet with you for lunch, do small talk, etc. They may be able to get you to places you otherwise wouldn’t be able to reach on your own. At the very least, you will be able to get a good reference out of it. Above all, don’t give up and make sure that you maintain your human capital: your most important investment is you and the skills that you have learned. Maintaining positivity, professionalism, and good work ethic can really go a long way, and people will notice. Make sure that you don’t give in to inertia: get out of the house. Jog, people-watch with friends, explore the city: do what you have to do to make sure that you’re in public and that you’re looking around, even if it’s in a casual environment. Even in the age of the internet, it’s easy to isolate yourself from potential opportunities by confining yourself to your house. Generally, make sure that you are mobilizing yourself to actively look for employment, rather than filling out applications and hoping that you get a call back. There’s some preliminary, non-specific advice for what one can do, and it isn’t easy to do with regularity (Lord knows I haven’t followed it consistently). However, it starts with realizing that there’s more that you can do to get a job if you think hard enough, and that priority #1 is to get and hold a job. Since this is a conservative board, I don’t think that anyone would be averse to me suggesting that you pray, if you aren’t already. It sounds like you’re on the right track; good luck with your job search!

  • JSobieski

    . i.e. tutor students, babysit, house sit, deliver groceries to old folks,etc. Be enterprenurial in looking for odd jobs. No individual gig is likely to support you, but you can do a variety of things to supplement your income and be enterpreneurial at the same time.

    What do you like to do? What are you good at? What are you physical limitations?

    There are all sorts of value-added services that people provide. I recently learned about someone making money just to be at people’s houses when there is an appointment in the day. I.e. someone to let the cable guy repair person, furniture delivery, plumber, etc in the house. They advertise in the church bulletin. Not big bucks, but you can supplement your income while doing other things, i.e. bring a laptop with you and leverage social networks.

    Look for ways to provide value.

  • realskinny

    The GOP, at least nominally, has offered to “those other Americans” limited self-government, a secure nation and the right to enjoy the fruits of one’s own labor. These are all positive goods. This is no more than it offers to “old white men”. The fact that they have failed to deliver during the short periods when they held power is our fault. Too many of us have not gotten involved and performed the work required of a free, self-governing people. As was said in the beginning, “This government is designed for a virtuous people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.”

    That the “old white men meme” gains any traction is due to the hammerlock the ruling class has had on the media and socialist education. The average American 18 year-old has been comprehensively lied to for 15 years. If he attends the leftist septic tanks called college, he’ll get 4 more years of indoctrination. It’s hardly surprising “those other Americans” tend to believe the propaganda as they are the primary beneficiaries of the income transfers. It is difficult for them to see they are also the primary victims.

  • joayn

    like raising the retirement age on Social Security – doesn’t do a thing in terms of solving the problem.

  • Lock_Piatt

    Vote for candidates that will restore the limits on government as enumerated in the Constitution and restrict the powers of the Courts to create rights, alter laws and order actions in the public sectors.

    The Courts must be a check as intended in the Constitution not a law creating body; if they find a problem with a law it must be returned to the State or Federal legislature for correction or rejection. There should never be a modification of the underlying laws and rights by the Courts using their own work products (case laws) as precedents. This would also reject and eliminate the so called “SETTLED LAW” that is based not on the Constitution but the opinion of the Judaical review. The Courts must be reigned in for they are out of Constitution limits and infringing on the executive and legislative branches powers and responsibilities.

    If candidates can not support these return to American principles then find another person to vote for.

  • Achance

    Most states have at least a semblance of security on absentee requests and ballots. My state will let you vote early at Elections offices, some airports, etc., but it is treated as an absentee ballot with the security inherent in absentees. Most of the states that do “early” voting as distinguished from absentee just let you cast a regular ballot early and that is an invitation for voter fraud.

    And somehow I think the “geezer vote” would turn out; I know this one would.

  • Achance

    If you go on the dole, in order to do so, you have to declare yourself a civic bankrupt and surrender your right to vote, serve on a jury, etc. until such time as you have restored your capacity to support yourself unaided.

    And I agree, SS, Medicare, and UI aren’t the dole. You might not have paid enough, but you did pay to participate.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I don’t want to threadjack but I disagree.

  • acat

    First, this is an invalid comparison. Let me explain.

    The youth vote will continue to be more liberal (because they’re starry-eyed idealists) and more unpredictable (because they’re easily distracted) but that’s not a real problem.. nor a reason to change the age. The argument “Old enough to die for their country” still applies.

    (sidebar – cat is in favor of lowering the drinking age to 18 – any kid dissuaded by the law on this issue is an exception, and teaching disrespect for the law is a bad practice)

    The problem with social security cannot be solved by raising the age. The problem is structural – the whole program is a Ponzi scheme.. a financial perpetual motion device because, simply, you can get more money out of it than you put into it.

    So, if you want to raise both, that’s fine, but doing so doesn’t really address much.

    Mew

  • WIBadger

    …all she could do was answer a question with a question of her own ? And they werren’t even substantive questions ((how could you NOT vote for the Fraud-in-Chief…how could he NOT know what he’s doing ?) ? I would have loved to ask her what proof she has that he DOES know what he’s doing ?

    And of course she had to resort to the race card to distract from the issue. How very original.

  • callmeroy

    I am my college professor’s favorite pupil. He calls himself a “philosophical progressive” (whatever that means) and he tells wonderful stories about Mao Zedong and how deeply spirtual it is to become a Progressive. He told us not to pay any attention to those horrible rumors that the Conservatives preach to us about Brother Mao’s murder of 60 million. I know it’s a lie, that’s what a girl on Facebook said. After all, President Obama had a Mao ornamate hanging fron the White House Christmas tree, right on cool. After learning all of these new political ideas, I went out and got the latest Che Guevara t-shirt. It is so rad. My professor went to Harvard like Obama did so I know he loves Che too. My professor said Hollywood helped to revive another leftist martyr but my uncle (who was in the Army) said Hollywood has dutifully churned out yet another cinematic agitprop paean and that I should read to try to discern why many supposedly democratic, civil libertarian liberals still swoon over this Stalinist mass-murderer. What ever that means, later dude.

  • capeconservative

    It used to be that a college education meant something (back in the olden days ;-) However, now there are far too many who are pursuing an education just because…not because of any strong desire to better themselves. And to hear of the majors…where do they think they are going to get a good job with some of the off-the-wall degrees?

    It used to be that high schools offered business education courses and general education courses and college preparation courses…all of equal value just designed to fit the needs of both the student and society. None better, just different.

    College is definitely NOT for everyone. And from what we witnessed watching the post-election interviews, I was actually embarrassed for the stupid responses from people who stated they were college graduates yet they knew NOTHING!

    I go along with requiring passing a 9th grade civics test before anyone is allowed to vote. And the test should be administered in ENGLISH. It used to be a badge of honor for immigrants to come to America and learn to speak our language.

    I would like to see ALL forms of employment being considered honorable as it used to be when I was growing up. Our neighbors were the proverbial ‘butcher’ ‘baker’ and well I didn’t really know any ‘candlestick makers’ but I did have friends whose parents were machinists or mechanics or businessmen or lawyers…and NO ONE was considered more worthy than the others! We were all neighbors!!!!!

    In fact today someone who works with their hands is probably far more qualified to deal with life than those perpetual students who have never had to figure out how to come in out of the rain unless their mom or dad gave them step by step instructions.

    What we are witnessing is the result of helicopter parenting…young people who are still living off their parents and ‘finding themselves’ at an age where I was the mother of 4! I did not think it was cruel and inhumane punishment to be allowed to live my own life…and find out as my dad loved to say, ‘that salt and pepper cost money’!!! No amount of ‘telling’ can ever teach as well as ‘doing’ – even if it means you learn by your mistakes! Those are the lessons you carry for a lifetime.

  • capeconservative

    Guess you are one of those who believe that Sarah Palin does not fall in the ‘fantastic female candidate’ category. I believe she was the best qualified of all four candidates running for office in 2008.

    As just one example, there is no doubt in my mind that her handling of the recent oil spill would have been much better for the country and the industry than how the current president operated…again in his ANTI-American manner.

  • joayn
  • capeconservative

    I would definitely choose to homeschool my children or send them to a private school before I would allow them to be brainwashed by the public school system.

    I have friends who are spending big bucks to send their children to college…and they are coming home with all of the parental guidance they received for the previous 18 years washed aside by the William Ayers gang of progressive college profs!! They know NOTHING about the classics or world history…all they know is the liberal message they are fed from day one.

  • capeconservative

    I urge everyone to get out there and volunteer for CONSERVATIVE candidates! Give both your time and money if possible…make calls, participate in fundraising events, hold campaign signs at standouts – become an ACTIVE PARTICIPANT! Believe me it helps you stay focused on the possibility that our country may just escape ‘total transformation’ after all.

  • proudmarinemom

    to ten years of debt and the fold-out couch in Mom’s basement. Did you all know that college Freshmen are encouraged (in some cases required) to take a course called “Reading 100?” No, I’m not kidding. They learn “techniques” and “strategy” to help them figure out what all those Alphabits mean. If they do well enough, they matriculate to English 101.

    College is the most spectacular rip-off of the American consumer since the Pet Rock.

    If you love your children, take them down to the Armed Forces office and let them spend four years learning something useful. There’s time for the degree later, when they’ve earned the right to it and can pay for it all by themselves. Then practice your Sympathetic Puppy Expression to bring out when the neighbors complain that their unemployed 23-year-old Sociology major keeps hogging the remote.

    Semper Fi and Good night!

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    GOTV is not a cable news channel. Yet.

    ALL of us need to DO SOMETHING concrete to help get voters who did not vote in the 2008 general election (only about 65 per cent of registered voters voted in the 2008 election).

    The BEST way to get involved, if you’ve never done it before, is to get in touch with the nearest Republican campaign. If you live in an area that happens to be a Republican stronghold, and the candidates lead in the polls by large margins, then please get on the net, like at www.40seats.com. Go there, click on a district, and then contact the campaign and help from afar by making Get Out The Vote phone calls.

    Another resource is the Concord Project. Again, please go there and click on a state and find a campaign and help. Everyone can do this. It just takes a little time and effort. And if you get just one additional voter to the polls, you’ve accomplished more than most bloggers ever have, in my humble opinion.

    Don’t wake up the morning of Nov. 3 saying, “Gee, “the Republicans” didn’t get their majorities after all. Hmmm, maybe I should have gotten involved in GOTV after all.”

    For Liberty,
    ColdWarrior, PC (that?s ?precinct committeeman,? not ?political child!?)
    Conservatives, UNITE! CHANGE the Republican Party and save the world by UNITING INSIDE the Party as precinct committeemen. NOW! (53 days until Nov. 2 — what are YOU DOING to help get out the vote in your precinct?)

  • Achance

    Obviously your college education hasn’t taught you to either write or think. And don’t call me dude, punk.

  • zarathustra57

    Good food for thought, realskinny. I agree just about entirely with your post.

  • zarathustra57

    I’m not as in love with Palin as some others, but she wasn’t the problem with McCain’s campaign. I’d say stunts like suspending his campaign to go to DC…and support the bail-out, along with Obama, or his refusal to really go after Obama on his complete lack of qualifications for the highest office in the land, his refusal to call out Obama on his associations with hacks like Rev. Wright, Ayers, etc., are more demonstrative of what I meant by his running an awful campaign,

  • acat

    Don’t care if you give the government money or they give you money – filing a 1040 shows that you’re working within the system.

    Besides, the IRS is going to be managing our health care anyway, why not add voting to the list of things they manage?

    Mew

  • lbjgal

    I appreciate your ideas! I will keep on plugging away with Lord allows me too.

  • lbjgal

    Currently I do data base entering by night on behalf the of union (sorry this all a temp agency could find), while attending conservative events as well as voluteer for conservative political campagins by day. Addtional I voluteer to teach adults English through my church. I am filling out applications and finding out the positions are turning into internshps due to people are waiting for the election. About getting out I am doing what I can. I pray all the in my heart.. Thanks again guys.