Reid’s trillion dollar gimmick


Harry “the only compromise is mine” Reid’s so-called budget cuts are based on the false assumption that we would keep spending the same amount on operations in Afghanistan and Iraq for ten more years even though President Obama has already started to withdraw our troops.

That’s right, the Reid plan is based on cutting spending that was not requested and will not be spent.

Congressman Paul Ryan explains this Democrat smoke and mirror budget gimmick:

Remember after the Obamacrats increased spending by 29%, it has now been It’s 822 days since the do nothing Senate Democrats last passed a budget.

The Senate Democrats refused to allow an up or down vote on the House-passed the Cut, Cap and Balance Act of 2011. The Obamacrats also refused to allow an up or down vote on a second House-passed bill that would raise the debt ceiling — the Budget Control Act of 2011.

Do the Democrats really fear losing reelection that much?


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They really think we're stupid.

msctex (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 12:20PM EDT (link)

But their worst nightmare, whether they know it yet or not, has come to pass. People are actually paying attention, and shameless manipulations like this are being brought immediately to the light.

And all it takes is one well-spoken, knowledgeable soul willing to call a spade a spade in public. Their whole house of marked cards comes crashing down at the hint of it.

 

Yes they do

banzaibob (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 12:24PM EDT (link)

Do the Democrats really fear losing reelection that much?

Yes they do.

Just like their dear leader Obozo they don’t want to have a paper trail for their opponent to campaign on.

After the debt ceiling battle is the 2012 budget. The Republicans must draw the line here or face doom in November.

Prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas
It’s better to die upon your feet than to live upon your knees!
Emiliano Zapata

 

Paul Ryan?

e_rowe (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 12:32PM EDT (link)

That’s a bit of a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Don’t you think?

e rowe, Ryan/ Reid, pot/ kettle, no difference,none??

johnt Saturday, July 30th at 1:12PM EDT (link)

Please explain.

“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville

Ryan accused Reid of using smoke and mirrors to raise the debt ceiling and make it look like they're cutting something

e_rowe (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 1:27PM EDT (link)

That’s exactly what Ryan himself did, and exactly the kind of thing he has done over and over again throughout his tenure in the House. Notice that his name is not on the list of detractors (it never is).

Oh look, e_rowe attacks a Republican who is attacking a Democrat. Yawn.

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 1:38PM EDT (link)

You and McCain are the same.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


Except we're not

e_rowe (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 1:44PM EDT (link)

Paul Ryan and McCain are the same.

I’m more in line with the people on the list of 22. How about you?

But one instance of likeness is all it take according to your logic.

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 1:49PM EDT (link)

You and McCain get your kicks off of attacking Republicans, even Republicans who are going after the actual bad guys like Harry Reid.

You have no credibility to attack any Republican.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


Yeah I get it

e_rowe (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 1:53PM EDT (link)

Paul Ryan has an R after his name, and that’s all that matters.

That’s not where I’m coming from. I’m a principles guy, not a party guy. I don’t pretend otherwise.

We both know, of course, that Ryan (and you) have no compunction about criticizing Republicans. But somehow when the Republicans being criticized are the ones trying to change the party, rather than the ones trying to entrench the big-government GOP establishment more deeply, then it becomes a good thing.

"has an R after his name, and that’s all that matters." Clearly, that's why I dogged on McCain.

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 1:57PM EDT (link)

I have no problem criticizing Republicans when they are wrong. When they are attacking Democrats I tend to let that slide.

Not you though, you make sure to give the Democrats cover. And they love you for it.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


 

And since when are you a Republican?

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 1:58PM EDT (link)

hmmmm?

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


I'm a lifelong Republican

e_rowe (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 2:00PM EDT (link)

Precinct committeeman, dues paying member of my county party, have been involved in multiple campaigns going back to 1992.

I just don’t look at the party and say, “I love you just the way you are.”

Since 1992 huh? You've been rather ineffective then.

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 2:04PM EDT (link)

Have a good day providing cover for Harry Reid.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


 
 
 
 

You're right though about McCain and Ryan being different in some things

e_rowe (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 1:59PM EDT (link)

McCain voted against Medicare Part D.

You missed the logic of what I said, though, and it’s not because the logic was bad. The pot/kettle line was comparing the two on precisely the matter in which Ryan criticized Reid. This is how the phrase “pot calling the kettle black” is always used (at least by those who understand it). It has nothing to do with two people being alike in all respects.

 
 
 
 

e rowe, funny, you say you're a principles guy.

johnt Saturday, July 30th at 4:56PM EDT (link)

not a party guy, then you go on to proudly list your direct and official party connections. Should I take you seriously?
I asked you to affirm or deny the sameness of Ryan and Reid, and if you would, justify it. As for example Ryan has never supported the death of a viable American Health care system & Reid has, as Ryan as never advocated the growth of $1.6 trillion deficits, but Reid has, as Ryan has not advocated cutting a $trillion in an ongoing war, but Reid has, I would dare say there are marked differences, enough to erase your “principled”, ahem, classification of pot/kettle identity between the two. Haven’t you noticed?
But why am I doing your work for you?
I’ll be back Sunday, this will afford you extra time to Google away.

“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville

 
 
 
 

It's worse than you can imagine

amigag Saturday, July 30th at 12:43PM EDT (link)

Reid’s plan is worse than anyone can imagine. He’s going to try to get this passed in the Senate ASAP and send it to the House ASAP.

Since Congress is in session now, time is of the essence!!

HotAir have all the sordid details. “Reid changing debt ceiling plan… thread.

I’m starting to call/fax immediately, no time to waste!! I plan on contacting the Senate first, followed by the House. If this is passed, we are done.

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm

 

+$3.8 trillion, largest tax increase in American history in Reid’s bill

Viator Saturday, July 30th at 1:00PM EDT (link)

+$3.8 trillion, largest tax increase in American History in Reid’s bill

“Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has said that his debt ceiling bill, in a bow to Republicans, includes no tax increases. But does it really?

An analysis from the Republican Senate Budget Committee staff shows that Reid’s bill includes gimmicks that, if passed, would account for approximately $3.8 trillion in revenue — or tax increases.

The maneuvering is complicated; but when explained properly, it becomes clear.

Reid’s proposal includes a provision that “deems” budget resolutions for fiscal years 2012 and 2013, but Senate Democrats have not yet produced a 2012 budget proposal, much less one for 2013.

Within those anticipated budget resolutions lie the tax increases, according to the analysis, and here is where it gets tricky.

When the Congressional Budget Office scores a proposal, it uses either current policy or current law as its baseline. Reid’s bill is based on current law, which assumes certain tax breaks will expire according to pre-determined scheduled. That is a big deal.

The 2001–2003 Bush tax cuts are set to expire at the end of 2012. And some business tax breaks, “death tax” cuts, and the patch for the Alternative Minimum Tax expire at the end of 2011. Reid’s proposal assumes that Congress will not act to renew or extend those expiring tax breaks.

The Alternative Minimum Tax patch is a tax that runs parallel to the regular tax code for high-income Americans. If a taxpayer falls within the right bracket (a high one), he must use the AMT to calculate his federal tax. The AMT targets items that are write-offs or tax-exempt for people in lower income brackets.

Congress acts to “fix” or raise the AMT patch every year, in order to ensure that it does not inadvertently include middle-class families.

Reid’s proposal assumes Congress will not act to fix the AMT at the end of 2011.

All told, the expired tax cuts would cost $3.8 trillion.

According to the Republican staff analysis, the baseline is not the only gimmick in Reid’s proposal, but it could be the worst.”

http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/30/analysis-says-reids-budget-plan-contains-gimmicks-that-could-result-in-tax-increases/#ixzz1TbisXTio%22Daily

Shrug, baby, shrug.

acat (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 1:03PM EDT (link)

(nothing further)

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self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

 

That is Reid's "compromise"

amigag Saturday, July 30th at 1:38PM EDT (link)

I don’t know if he can get this passed in the Senate. There are a lot of Dems up for re-election in 2012; don’t know how many would want to commit suicide. That would be a shame if they voted for it and then the House would not pass it:-)

Boehner wouldn’t dare to even schedule this for a vote, would he? All the criticism he’s been taking wouldn’t compare if he did that.

Talk about a poison pill, Reid’s plan is it.

Hopefully this evil can be stopped in the Senate.

43 Senators Sign Letter Opposing The Reid Bill

izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 1:42PM EDT (link)

43 Senators Sign Letter Opposing The Reid Bill

The only possible justification for a $2.4 trillion increase in borrowing authority is to allow the President to avoid any accountability for these issues before his 2012 election. It is by constantly putting off these tough decisions that we have found ourselves with a national debt nearly equal to the size of our gross domestic product. The time for action is now, we cannot wait until we accumulate another $2.4 trillion in debt.

For all of these reasons, we must oppose your unprecedented $2.4 trillion debt limit amendment. Given the nation’s enormous future spending challenges, it would be irresponsible to give the President this unprecedented additional borrowing authority without requiring the enactment of significant spending reductions and reforms. We urge you to abandon this reckless proposal and instead pursue a more responsible course of action that would rein in spending, reassure the financial markets, and help promote private sector job growth.

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

Thanks for sharing this, izoneguy

lineholder (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 1:53PM EDT (link)

Well done by the members of the Senate! Let’s see what Reid does with it.

So do they tell Obama

izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 1:58PM EDT (link)

Before or after he is done golfing?
I guess those 43 Senators won’t be invited to Obama’s big 50 BD bash??

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

 
 

43 Senators against

amigag Saturday, July 30th at 2:03PM EDT (link)

Bless you izoneguy for putting this up. Now, I can have a late lunch:-) since I have my appetite back.

Aren’t there some R Senators missing from that letter? Scott Brown would be one I know. Oh, McConnell, since that would be a conflict:-)

Glad to see we have 43 anyway for now. Hopefully, we can increase the number.

The hold outs are...Brown, Collins, Snowe and Murkowski.

izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 2:08PM EDT (link)

Surprise, Surprise

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

Since I know he is watching this... Great job Art!!

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 2:23PM EDT (link)

Hope your pride was worth it.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


 
 
 
 
 
 

Scott brown's office is only taking calls from MA

earlgrey (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 1:06PM EDT (link)

He has said he would support the Reid plan.

I've heard that before

amigag Saturday, July 30th at 1:14PM EDT (link)

That’s ok, I have his fax number. If they have that one shut off, I have his District #’s. I’ve been thru this before, not my first rodeo, LOL

 

Then I suggest Brown only take money from MA in his re-election bid. nt

Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 1:59PM EDT (link)

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)

Scott Brown

amigag Saturday, July 30th at 2:06PM EDT (link)

Nicely said !!! When I fax him, I’ll include that gem, LOL

Maybe I’ll ask for a refund for any money he received outside of MA.

Nothing worse than an arrogant member of Congress.

 

I am sure Brown's Opponent will take outside money

kipling (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 2:35PM EDT (link)

I think I will send him some when the time comes.

kipling- That would definitely

Scope (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 2:40PM EDT (link)

be taking one for the conservatives, and well worth it.

 
 

That is what makes me so mad

earlgrey (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 6:09PM EDT (link)

I gave several hundred dollars to his election. Gee I hope I get a phone call from his campaign.

 
 

I really don't see Brown

Scope (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 2:13PM EDT (link)

winning the re-election, or not easily anyway. I would think that “Ted’s old seat” Democrats would be targeting Brown very heavily. They won’t make the same kind of Coakley mistake again in 2012. The only reason Brown won the special election was because he promised to be the 51 vote against Obamacare, which never did come back up for a vote once he was elected. Since then he has sided with the Democrats more often on some pretty major issues like banking reform. Now saying that he would support the Reid bill should be the icing on the cake. He was elected with the help of many many from around the country, and with some Tea Party support. That won’t happen again. Who would vote for him in 2012? the Democrats? Why vote for a Liberal with an R after their name when you can just for for a Liberal that will bring it all to the Liberals.

I think Scott Brown

izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 2:29PM EDT (link)

Has his eye on a CNN job

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

Hahahahahaha

Scope (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 2:33PM EDT (link)

or maybe PMSMSNBC.

 
 
 
 

He's one of my senators.

swami7774 (Diary) Saturday, July 30th at 3:13PM EDT (link)

I won’t dignify the other one by mentioning his name.
Brown is the best you’re going to get from this state. He’s with us 70% of the time.
Would you purists prefer a 0% guy? Keep it up and that’s what you’ll get.
And maybe if you succeed in defeating Brown, that will make the difference in controlling the Senate.
Nose, meet face.

Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism.

Amen, swami.

RichmondG30 Saturday, July 30th at 8:29PM EDT (link)

I guess the purists will be happy when Scott Brown is replaced by the next Ted Kennedy or John F. Kerry.

Having lived in Massachusetts for more than ten years, I can tell you that state is a cesspool of leftists. It is nothing short of a miracle that they elected someone as “conservative” as Scott Brown. He is so far right of the political center of gravity in Massachusetts, it’s not even funny.