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Florida investigation reveals 180,000 non-citizens may be registered to vote

By: Dan Spencer (Diary)  |  May 12th, 2012 at 03:44 PM  | 

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Florida officials have discovered that 180,000 registered voters may be non-citizens.

A CBS4/Miami Herald analysis of information supplied by Miami-Dade shows a large number of the potential non-citizens voters cast ballots in the past — including the 2000 election, when the presidency was decided by just over 500 votes.

According to Deputy Supervisor of Elections Christina White, there are a “lot of non-citizens on our registration rolls.”

Florida’s Division of Elections is checking the citizenship of voters by comparing drivers license records, which show whether a licensed driver is also a U.S. citizen.

Non-citizens are able to become registered voters in Florida because if a non-citizen checks the box on the voter registration form that says they are a citizen they are registered to vote, because the form is signed under oath.

Those registered who are identified as possible non-citizens are reported to the State Attorney’s office The States Attorney may charge anyone who unlawfully registered to vote with a felony.

According to the Heritage Foundation’s Hans Von Spakovsky, Florida’s investigation is only looking at legal immigrants, not illegal aliens, who may have registered to vote even though they are not citizens. Von Spakovsky, a former member of the Federal Elections Commission, says that Florida is doing the right thing with this investigation, but is only scratching the surface. Florida can’t check for illegal aliens who registered to vote because the Federal government is not giving Florida access to Immigration and Naturalization Service records which would help identify illegals who have registered to vote.

You can watch Bill Hemmer and Hans Von Spakovsky discuss Florida’s investigation of non-citizens illegally voting in the accompanying video here.

Nearly four years after CNN reported on the scandalous ACORN voter fraud, and those fraudulent voter registrations were converted into fraudulent votes, we are still struggling to prevent voter fraud. Instead of working to prevent voter fraud, the Obama regime goes so far as to sue some states that require voters to show a photo ID in order to vote.

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  • califgal

    How the GOP doesn’t pound and pound and pound the common sense voter ID notion makes me livid.

    They let the Dems get away with saying poor people don’t have ID. There isn’t a person in this nation that really believes that but silence in the face of silly arguments always winds up down the road resulting in those silly arguments taking hold among growing subgroups of people.

    • westcoastpatriette

      stripped of their offices and sent to prison. Just how much more abuse of power should we allow before they are stopped? Any other public officials who abused their power such as they are doing would be exposed and prosecuted.

      • Dave_A

        This isn’t in defense of Obama – but rather a ‘remember when’ pointing back to when the Democratic Congress was subpoenaing Bush Administration officials to testify over why they fired federal employees (US Attorneys) – and threatening contempt charges…

        Executive Privilege was asserted & no testimony was given…

        We need to be VERY, VERY careful as to what matters we use criminal charges for when dealing with inter-branch relations, simply because it opens the door for bananna-republic style political prosecutions.

        • westcoastpatriette

          Fast and Furious and the resulting deaths can hardly be compared to the firing of US Attorneys. Are you saying there is nothing that a sitting President or the DOJ should not be held to account for no matter how egregious?

        • johnt

          Those actually on the civil service may have more protection, but Bush was within his rights and doing what is common, replacing prior senior appointees.
          Does Obama now know about Fast and Furious? I daresay he does, and has for quite some time. Voter fraud in federal elections? I do think there is validity to such a suggestion of contempt if not impeachment. I don’t think it will happen.

          • Dave_A

            And I agree that he was.

            I just want to keep ‘Executive Privilege’ around, as a firewall against such absurdity.

            I want a future GOP President facing a political witch-hunt similar to W’s to be able to say ‘Sorry, Congress doesn’t have the power to do that’…

            So I’m willing to extend it to Obama, even as I disagree with the actions that he has taken, because a certain level of immunity from Congress is required for the Presidency to operate properly…

            Should Holder be fired? Absolutely. Will he be fired? No, because the one man who CAN fire him, is the President.

          • checkmate2012

            I agree that the prez won’t fire him but the House Judiciary Committe can and should impeach him and let it go to the Senate to try him for conviction where most likely it won’t get the 2/3rds vote necessary.

            But history tells us that a person who is impeached in the House frequently resigns before a Senate conviction. And since the Senate must be under Oath for the impeachment proceedings, 2/3 vote may be possible regardless of aisle side. Or if the House starts the articles of impeachment, Mr. O will probably make him resign.

          • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

            Holder hasn’t had articles of impeachment brought against him. I have been talking to a couple of congressional staffers I know and they have been telling me Congress has been getting many requests for impeachment of Holder but the Speaker hasn’t given the green light. There is serious talk in Congress of trying to get a Special prosecutor appointed to investigate Fast and furious.

          • commonsenseobserver

            Speaker Boehner knows that anything which distracts voters from the economy and focuses attention on Eric Holder would be dangerous politically. I think that Chairman Issa has chosen the right approach by bringing contempt charges against him (the Dems’ heads were already exploding). Impeachment would be overreacting at this point, especially because we still need to consider executive privilege, until he ignores the clearest expression of congressional will possible, that is, the contempt charges.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            It’s not possible to get a conviction, there isn’t time and it will give Obama a foil to distract the Presidential campaign from the economy.

            Want to reelect Obama by a landslide? File articles of impeachment.

          • johnt

            then English has been stretched. But I’ll pass on the rest.

          • edintexas

            The position of US Attorney is a political appointee position (Schedule C). Each US Attorney’s office has Assistant US Attorneys, who are Civil Service employees. So the US Attorney for the Eastern District of Texas is a political appointee who serves a 4 year term (or until replaced) at the appointment of the President and the confirmation of the Senate. Assistant US Attorney’s employment is not at the pleasure of the President and requires no confirmation by the Senate.

          • ZZMike

            “Florida?s Division of Elections is checking the citizenship of voters by comparing drivers license records, …”

            That’s clearly racist. Everybody knows that no one should have to show ID to vote.

            You only need to show ID to rent a car. Open a bank account. Cash a check. Rent a video. Buy liquor (if you appear to be under 35). Get onto school grounds. …..

        • exrayman4000

          The US Attorneys being fired was an issue being driven by the press. It was a witchhunt BY the press and the Democrats in Congress to embarrass the president. NO laws were broken and Bush was correct in his Executive privilege reaction. On the other hand anytime US laws may be broken by the Executive branch it’s the DUTY of the Congress AS OUR Representatives to get to the bottom of it. It appears as if laws were broken in the fast and furious scandal and the stonewalling being done by the Executive branch is both illegal and NOT a proper use of Executive Privilege.

        • johnhandel

          Let me start by saying I don’t think it is a good idea, necessarily, but the historical context and meaning behind ‘High Crimes and Misdemeanors’ is crimes and misdemeanors committed by someone in high office, not an especially egregious crime. It is based on the notion that those in public office should be held to a HIGHER standard than the typical citizen. Legally, any crime for which a conviction can be attained, excluding ex post facto laws and bills of attainder (which are illegal anyway), could be justifiable grounds for impeachment.

          Further, we know the President has broken a number of laws. I cannot even begin to touch the surface of everything. The full list could make an articles of impeachment filing longer than the special investigator’s report on Bill Clinton.

          The problem is not that there are not plenty of justifiable grounds to Impeach President Obama. The problem is that no matter how much evidence is presented or how guilty the evidence clearly presents him to be, we have a Senate that will illegally vote to acquit. We have seen it before with Bill Clinton. We would see it again with Barack Obama. Any juror that said during a trial what some Senators said during Clinton’s impeachment would have been in prison for years, after paying stiff fines. In spite of that, the Senators saw no legal penalties, and the same would happen again.

          So the largest reason not to impeach President Obama is not that he isn’t guilty of impeachable offenses, but that he would never be convicted for the offenses he is clearly guilty of committing.

          Yes, I am opposed for impeaching over the commission of trivial crimes, but any crime that would see a citizen in court should see a President facing Impeachment or at least public congressional rebuke/censure.

    • greyeagle

      Well, the Democrats are still in control of the Senate and Harry Reid is blocking everything, and Holder is suing the states trying to implement the Voter ID laws such as Texas and others. So how would the Republicans get this pushed through. TX is suing back, and so are some of the other states. Probably wind up in the Supreme Court.

  • califgal

    NY are now arguing that fingerprinting illegals is just soooooo unAmerican.

    Romney, all GOP candidates starting right now, need to repeat and repeat and repeat that the GOP is a party of common sense and that history shows us that the progressives who control the Democrat Party are those who fly in the face of common sense, for whatever reason…but that they wind up foisting their nonsense on all of us eventually unless we call them out for their loconess.

  • Neal Kahn

    Are they going to remove their names from the voting lists?

  • txgho1911

    The right to vote should be beyond reach for those who entered the US illegally.
    I know we cannot just pack them all back to wence they came. A reformed policy of some kind is going to go through congress. The pandering to and for the illegal populace is changing the game for all of us.

    For those who came in the front door I would not impede them in any way after they are naturalized.

    • Dave_A

      Is not with illegals who get caught, but rather those who don’t.

      The only reasonable way to deal with them, is through laws that encourage self-deportation & legal re-entry…

      We will never be able to know if someone who is now here legally, was once here illegally – nor should we really try…

      Make it so that if you’re caught here illegally, you can never come back – and while here illegally no one will hire you, sell you a car or house, or rent to you…

      And they will all leave…

      Especially if, at the same time you enact those restrictions, you lift immigration quotas & allow legal immigrants in to replace them.

  • njinfl

    has been his unwillingness to Hispander. Let’s hope that continues.

    Newt wrecked his candidacy here in FL by foolishly going progressive on illegals. The old folk set in FL, especially a great many of the older Dems who might well vote for Romney, hate the illegal human wave and wont tolerate it being coddled.

    The illegals have also become the mortal political enemies of the white working class with their widespread welfare abuse and disenfrancisement of real Americans via their unlawful voting.

    Mitt has been wise indeed to be the most rightward of all major Republican figures with regard to illegals. Once the GOP is in control of the federal bureaucracy again, a major reconning is in order

    • Dave_A

      In that a good portion of the Hispanic community there is Cuban – and there is no such thing as an illegal Cuban, once they’re on US soil…

      Which somewhat relieves them of any connection to the immigration debate, since the ‘feet dry’ policy will remain in place so long as Communism remains in Cuba. Which is a GOOD thing….

      • GregInFla

        Hispanic community. While they are welcome here and get asylum, Cubans are not automatically granted US citizenship. Those that have it cherish it more than many of us who were born here. It is painfully ironic that many of those fleeing Cuba ended up in Venezuela, and now are fleeing from there, with some heading back to their native Spain.

    • mikeymike143

      the 2010 election results down here proved that.

  • retrocon87

    If a non-citizen is able to register to vote because they have a driver’s license, then how would requiring them to show their driver’s license at the election site (a valid photo ID) instead of just their voter ID card prevent them from voting?…

    • retrocon87

      If they have photo ID (which many of them do), making them show it at the polling site won’t stop anything. The problem seems to be how they can get away with registering in the first place when they’re ineligible…

      • GregInFla

        I just looked at mine, and was hoping to see some indication that I am a US citizen, and was disappointed. As was warned at the time, motor-voter laws essentially applied inflation to your voting rights, adding illegals to the voting rolls and diminishing the power of your vote.

  • Viet71

    Those here want the nominee to tell the truth as he or she sees it.

    The pros like Obama are cynical: do what’s needed to win.

    Folks need to accept that after Eve and then Adam ate fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil (giving up innocence), cynicism rules in the secular world.

  • checkmate2012

    like those that live 6 months up north and 6 months in FLA as my hunch is (w/o proof) that some of those folks vote in two states.

    I like your article but don’t understand how this sentence makes sense: “Non-citizens are able to become registered voters in Florida because if a non-citizen checks the box on the voter registration form that says they are a citizen they are registered to vote, because the form is signed under oath.”

    Just because someone checks a box on a form to register to vote while getting a drivers license, under oath or not, doesn’t mean the state should issue a voter registration card before the Election Division does their due diligence. I doubt one gets the voter reg. card on the spot as it usually comes in the mail after registering. Wouldn’t that prevent the exercise the Division of Elections is doing now?

    Of note, as of Jan. 2010 in FLA, you must have original documents that prove your identity, social security number and residential address in order to get a drivers license. With that info, they could use e-verify. Of course that doesn’t catch previous year’s offenders.

    Well at least FLA is making an attempt to clean up the rolls which is probably more than can be said for some other states.

    Another more sinister ballot stuffing occurs when conditional votes are thrown in with verified voters at the polling location…not good.

    • GregInFla

      also apply to getting renewals, so eventually things will get better. I got mine renewed in person last year, and had to bring all sorts of stuff to the DMV.

      Voting story: A colleague of mine was flying from Virginia to Florida on Election Day in 2000, and (jokingly) mentioned to the passenger next to him that he had voted that morning, and still had to vote later in Florida that day. The lady got so mad I think it’s fortunate it did not happen today with air marshalls and the like. She may have gotten some extra attention at the gate in Orlando.

    • trutexan

      that he has a friend who chases this stuff and there is a vacant house across the bridge from him (home or office I’m can’t recall) that has 10 registered voters living there. TEN! In a vacant house!

  • lastgopinillinois

    will be tabulating the votes in 900 jurisdictions across 14 States in the November election with their electronic software system.
    Do you trust a socialist country to produce our election results?
    Not to mention that the system is reportedly easily hackable.

    But, we gotta get those results to the news media pronto! Yeah, we cant even wait till all the votes are counted, so we have the media “call” the winner prematurely.

    Lets get those election results finalized as quick as possible!
    Doesn’t matter if hundreds or even thousands of non-citizens and dead people voted. Doesn’t matter if a few hackers break in and wipe out thousands of Republican votes. Lets just feed that news media the results as fast as we can.

  • radicalrighty

    This, and all of the voting corruption James O’Keefe has uncovered makes one wonder if elections have EVER been truly representative of the majority’s wishes.

    Just as national polls are meaningless because of the electoral votes, it seems all it would take is for a dozen or so precints in swing states to completely throw a presidential election.

    Would it be that simple?

  • http://MichaelHarrington.org Michael Harrington

    Property taxes, income taxes, business taxes…

    If this info was shared between states it would probably identify a lot of the double/triple/quadruple/… voters out there.

    We need to stop the Liberals. You never hear of Conservatives cheating a vote… cause it don’t happen or the media would fry us…

    • acat

      One for each SSN on a 1040 or 1040EZ submitted.

      You want to vote? File a 1040. You want to vote multiple times? ….

      Mew

    • edintexas

      Some states had to pass laws exempting residents from confiscatory attempts by California to tax their citizens for income not received in California. An example of the “logic” CA was using was if a person worked in CA, and qualified for a retirement from that employment, then the retirement checks received in another state were subject to CA taxation.

      I can see tax-hungry states, like CA, NY, NJ, etc. claiming income tax liability based on owning property in those states without consideration of actual residency. People with summer homes, non-income producing inherited property (or a percentage share in same), etc. could be placed in a situation of fighting to prove they are not a legal resident owing income taxes. When it comes to tax collection, there is no “innocent until proven guilty” status, they would have to prove they aren’t subject to taxation.

  • http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php kralizec

    …Florida all locked up.

    (rolling eyes)

  • jpmhofct

    The comment most disturbing to note is the refusal of the Federal government to the request for assistancew in accessing a citizenship database to assist the State in sdetermining validity of voting registration.

    Perhaps not surprising given the prponderance of acts to stymy any effort to curtail illegal immigrant activities. However, when a criminal receives assistance before or after committing crime the assistant may be charged as an accomplice’ Aiding and abetting criminal illegal alien behavior should not be toleralted.
    Yet we have office holders, appointed officials, law enforcement and courts and politicians at all levels of government all over this country that are assisting illegals get benefits, attend jobs and avoid taxes and use facilities without paying so as to add taxpayer burdens. The Democratic Party will attack any criticism as racist. Media reports sympathetically to situations and decries the efforts to cutail illegal immigrant costly existence in our midst. Citizens need to become more diligent ala this Florida effort to ensure the illegals are not able to further benefit by illegally voting to keep their advocates in positions of power.

    This sad state of affairs can and should be eliminated!

  • mutantone

    Finger print every one that registers to vote, match the finger prints with a field finger print reader at the polling site check off the name so they can not vote more than once.

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