Peter King Lays Out The Stakes


What Price Is The Left Willing To Pay? And With Whose Blood?

The GOP has been in a defensive crouch for too long on the war on terror. But one of the Republicans who hasn’t been afraid to lay the stakes of the current debate about interrogation procedures is Long Island Congressman and possible Senate candidate Peter King. King argues that if the Democrats try to prosecute Bush Administration officials for approving coercive interrogation techniques against 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and other high-value Al Qaeda detainees, the GOP should pursue a “scorched earth” policy of shutting down Congress - and make the Democrats take full and complete responsibility for the consequences of pulling punches in the battle against terrorists:

“If we have another 2,000 people killed, I want Nancy Pelosi and [liberal philanthropist] George Soros, John Conyers and Pat Leahy to go to the funeral and say your son was vaporized because we didn’t want to dump some guys head under water for 30 seconds.”

If they aren’t willing to do that…well, maybe they should rethink their position before we get to that point, shouldn’t they?

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Scorched earth politics - long, long overdue

E Pluribus Unum Thursday, April 23rd at 4:42PM EDT (link)

We’re hearing plenty of that idea from everywhere but the Repub caucus in Congress. Somebody — FINALLY — is ramping it up.

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mom2oneson Thursday, April 23rd at 5:28PM EDT (link)

I thought it was your idea from your patrick henry blog. Sorry I posted that below I didn’t see you had already posted. I bet he read your diary!!!

Hi mom!

E Pluribus Unum Thursday, April 23rd at 7:18PM EDT (link)

Always wanted to say that.

I appreciate the thought. I’d like to think it was King reading my diary, or having it called to his attention. However, all across right-blog land, many, many bloggers have been calling, for years, for our Congress-critters to man up and play hardball. The Tea Parties held a message not unlike that. My guess is that some of these guys are hearing the call, and answering it.

Good for them, I’ll take it.

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555555555555555555

JustLeaveMeAlone Thursday, April 23rd at 7:04PM EDT (link)

Absolutely. And about dang time. Bring it on!

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

 

when can we see Republicans lead TREASON Trials?

JLenardDetroit Thursday, April 23rd at 7:19PM EDT (link)

First up… HARRY REID (D-NV) for providing aid and comfort to our enemies declaring the war “Lost.”

Next, DIANE FEINSTEIN (D-CA) for leaking Classified information Loose Lips Sink Ships, Feinstein Torpedoes Pakistan

and work our way down to all those who have supported unconstitutional gun laws

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I hardly know where to start

E Pluribus Unum Thursday, April 23rd at 10:14PM EDT (link)

Of the nationally prominent elected Democrats who should stand trial for treason, I got:

John F-ing Kerry - meeting with the NV while still a member of the USN circa 1972.
Bob McDermott - going to Iraq circa 1991 and denouncing the US on TV.
Nancy Pelosi - undermining the war by visiting tin-pot despot Syrian dictator, circa 2007.
Harry Reid - “this war is lost”.
Just getting warmed up too.

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Teddy Kennedy meeting with the Soviets to undermine Reagan (n/t)

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what does nv stand for nt

Gyorc Nacain Friday, April 24th at 11:15AM EDT (link)

North Vietnam Gyorc....nt

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North Vietnamese. nt

Achance Friday, April 24th at 11:18AM EDT (link)

In Vino Veritas

 
 
 
 
 

Amen!!! I hope he does run for senate..and wins...

Aaron Gardner Thursday, April 23rd at 4:45PM EDT (link)

We need fighters like this!!

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55555 !! nt

mom2oneson Thursday, April 23rd at 4:47PM EDT (link)

maybe there is a Republican leader alive, after all (nt)

RJD Thursday, April 23rd at 4:49PM EDT (link)

This is bad

leftylurker Thursday, April 23rd at 4:54PM EDT (link)

I really, really don’t like the attitude I’m hearing, if I’m hearing it correctly.

Again, I’m not saying that what I know went on was illegal, or torture.

But…

I’m getting the sense from some commentators that we almost have an obligation to break the law if it’s in the fight against terror, and I think that’s a really dangerous position to take. It’s NOT okay to break the law, even if you think it’s REALLY REALLY important to do it in a given situation. That kind of thinking can lead to bad results, and it’s un-American, and un-democratic.

Your response is making the assumption that

Brian Hibbert Thursday, April 23rd at 5:01PM EDT (link)

“what I know went on was illegal, or torture.” even though you claim to not be saying that.

The point is that what went on wasn’t torture or illegal but the Obama administration is wanting to put on show trials to make political points at the expense of our national security.

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what's bad is your reading comprehension skills leftylurker...

Aaron Gardner Thursday, April 23rd at 5:02PM EDT (link)

Don’t twist what has been said to try and make some BS claim to the moral high ground.

Bottom line…the EIT were deemed legal. So no one is saying to break the law, and frankly the insinuation is insulting.

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What's bad is my explanations

leftylurker Thursday, April 23rd at 5:35PM EDT (link)

I’m not saying that this particular instance is that bad, but Aaron, can you really tell me honestly that you haven’t seen a current in the general discussions on counter terrorism that implies we should do whatever is necessary, as opposed to whatever is legal?

I’m no bleeding heart. If you read my posts I agree that we should hang pirates, investigate Pelosi, whatever it takes.

For the dorks out there, I think I’m pretty Lawful Neutral. =)

Lefty don't imply something without providing some sort of proof...

Aaron Gardner Thursday, April 23rd at 5:53PM EDT (link)

that will only cause you to lose and respect people might have for you.

Waterboarding was deemed legal…no one has said that we should break the law and you know that otherwise you would have linked to someone here who did say it.

Let’s not play this game ok.

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With the exception of John McCain,

Justin_Case Thursday, April 23rd at 8:19PM EDT (link)

most people against enhanced interrogation lack the perspective of having had their lives hanging by a thread in a combat situation. Having that perspective causes one to know that he or she will do anything in order to survive. Anything.

Rules of engagement, sound like a nice “civilized” touch but they are perilous to our soldiers.

Now that we have experienced attacks on our own soil, our civilian population is more at risk. Concern as to whether or not water boarding constitutes torture and recent publication of formerly top secret intelligence might make the world think better of us, but these actions put our civilian population at greater risk.

The “current in the general discussions, etc” is very real. I fully agree with you that there is one. However, in my opinion, it results from a realization of the peril in which our leaders have placed us, and their predictable attempt at shirking responsibility in the event of another terror attack, while placing blame on Bush/Cheney.

 
 
 

We all have lines we're not willing to cross

Dan McLaughlin Thursday, April 23rd at 5:05PM EDT (link)

but the point is, you better be drawing that line somewhere you could justify to people who have lost a loved one because you weren’t willing to cross it. That suggests that the line not be drawn lightly.

If you’re the president, you go absolutely as far up to that line as the law will let you, and if you’re Congress, you draw the line first, and make the law conform to it.

“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” - Winston Churchill

Exactly. That's why the fact that we foiled the plot

maynardjames Thursday, April 23rd at 5:19PM EDT (link)

to attack LA is so important.

White House fact sheet: “In 2002, we broke up a plot by KSM to hijack an airplane and fly it into the tallest building on the West Coast. During a hearing at Guantanamo Bay two months ago, KSM stated that the intended target was the Library Tower in Los Angeles.”
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070523.html

The only problem is, we didn’t capture KSM until 2003 (http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/rendition701/timeline/timeline_2.html), let alone waterboard him. So, INHANCED INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH FOILING TH LA PLOT. All we did was confirm the intended target of a plot we already foiled.

I think we should let all the facts come out before rationalizing and justifying actions that we have executed others for in the past.

You really SHOULD get YOUR facts straight before posting.

Brian Hibbert Thursday, April 23rd at 5:31PM EDT (link)

Jumping on lefty talking points without confirming them is usually a bad idea.

A VERY quick search of older articles will yield things like”
http://cbs2.com/local/Library.Tower.Los.2.528854.html

Which states:
” The plot was derailed in early 2002 with the arrest of an al-Qaida operative by a southeast Asian government that wasn’t identified.”

Though the plot was masterminded by KSM, he wasn’t the person who gave up this particular bit of information.

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You proved my point.

maynardjames Thursday, April 23rd at 5:34PM EDT (link)

Waterboarding had nothing to do with foiling the plot.

NO he proved you were a TOOL!!!!...nt

JadedByPolitics Thursday, April 23rd at 5:35PM EDT (link)

Whoever has his enemy at his mercy &
does not destroy him is his own enemy

Eloquently stated.

maynardjames Thursday, April 23rd at 5:43PM EDT (link)

My toolness notwithstanding, I think it is telling that the only success story we are hearing about waterboarding is foiling a plot that was already foiled a year before we even waterboarded the guy.

Why don't you tell us how you really feel about waterboarding?

The_Rebel Thursday, April 23rd at 5:45PM EDT (link)

Why don't you ask our government,

maynardjames Thursday, April 23rd at 5:52PM EDT (link)

who tried and executed Japanese soldiers for doing the exact same thing.

Typical lefty response.

The_Rebel Thursday, April 23rd at 5:55PM EDT (link)

Don’t answer the question. Just editorialize.

I'll answer.

maynardjames Thursday, April 23rd at 6:04PM EDT (link)

As far as torture goes, it’s pretty tame. But it’s been considered torture by our government in the past, so why not now.

My question to you is, if it were done to an American by another country, would you want prosecutions?

look another dihonest argument by maynard...nt

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not the exact same thing maynard...

Aaron Gardner Thursday, April 23rd at 5:59PM EDT (link)

wow you must come from dKos. The Japanese water torture actually forced ingestion of water to the point that the stomach would actually explode.

Read a history book sometime…that way you won’t sound so idiotic when you come here.

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I have read a bit about it.

maynardjames Thursday, April 23rd at 6:21PM EDT (link)

I don’t think that’s a fair statement on their technique. We may have been more deliberate and careful in our execution of it than they were, but the technique is basically the same. We just made sure people people didn’t die from it.

that's just not true maynard...

Aaron Gardner Thursday, April 23rd at 6:41PM EDT (link)

the techniques are completely different.

just another disingenuous moment in your line of lefty lies. Troll.

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Read a bit more then...

Ward_Off_Monkey Thursday, April 23rd at 7:48PM EDT (link)

Not the same by any stretch of the imagination. Sorry for referencing wikipedia but it’ll do in this case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_torture

First two entries:
Forced ingestion
Main article: Water cure
In this form of water torture, water is forced down the throat and into the stomach. This happens repeatedly until osmosis causes the cells to explode[citation needed]. It was used as a legal torture and execution method by the courts in France in the 17th and 18th century, was employed against Americans and Chinese during World War II by the Japanese, and was also used against Filipinos by American Forces during the Philippine-American War.

Terror of drowning
Main article: Waterboarding
Waterboarding refers to a technique involving water poured over the face or head of the subject, in order to evoke the instinctive fear of drowning.Often,a wet cloth is placed in the subjects mouth,giving them the impression that they are drowning.

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Thanks for the backup W_O_M...

Aaron Gardner Thursday, April 23rd at 7:55PM EDT (link)

But you are talking to a ghost at this point.

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I always seem to be late to the party.

Ward_Off_Monkey Thursday, April 23rd at 8:10PM EDT (link)

Oh well, maybe some other troll will read that and become enlightened. Nah, who am I kidding? :)

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Good rule of thumb W_O_M..

Aaron Gardner Thursday, April 23rd at 8:12PM EDT (link)

look for multiple posts in a short period of time by me…I am somewhat of a pit bull when I need to be…as if that isn’t obvious…lol

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Ignore him. He's a troll with no knowledge of history.

farstar99 Friday, April 24th at 3:35AM EDT (link)

Ignore him. He’s a troll with no knowledge of history.

That describes most RS trolls

Neil Stevens Friday, April 24th at 3:45AM EDT (link)

Most leftists even, as Jonah Goldberg demonstrated.

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You're not real quick are you?

Brian Hibbert Thursday, April 23rd at 5:39PM EDT (link)

You make the claim that enhanced interrogation had nothing to do with the LA plot because KSM wasn’t captured until afterwards. The article in question mentions that it was a KSM plot that was foiled after capture of an Al Qaida operative. It does not say what techniques were used to gather the information from this operative.

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You are correct.

maynardjames Thursday, April 23rd at 5:45PM EDT (link)

However, the current talking point is that waterboarding KSM prevented an attack on LA, which isn’t true.

It may very well be the case that waterboarding someone else may have produced the information. My point is that a dishonest argument is being made by former administration officials to justify their actions.

Are you sure?

Brian Hibbert Thursday, April 23rd at 5:49PM EDT (link)

The claim was that enhanced techniques prevented the attacks on LA that were planned by KSM.

It’s the left and the media which has twisted that into KSM was the person who gave up the info.

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Actually, Karl Rove has been making this argument.

maynardjames Thursday, April 23rd at 5:50PM EDT (link)

maynard...since when do you lefties consider Karl Rove a credible source...

Aaron Gardner Thursday, April 23rd at 5:55PM EDT (link)

not that he is wrong…I am just wondering how your spine is feeling after contorting it so much.

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That's the point. He's making a dishonest argument.

maynardjames Thursday, April 23rd at 6:00PM EDT (link)

You are the one making the dishonest argument..and I think you know that...nt

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Not that I know of. Please point out to me the

maynardjames Thursday, April 23rd at 6:09PM EDT (link)

dishonesty in my argument.

read the link I posted maynard...I even gave you the page numbers to look at....troll..nt

Aaron Gardner Thursday, April 23rd at 6:11PM EDT (link)

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I am reading it.

maynardjames Thursday, April 23rd at 6:16PM EDT (link)

It looks like the KSM interrogations led to the arrests of others who werre involved in the LA plot that had already been foiled, but who had not been captured yet, who then corroborated what was learned from KSM.

While it may have been valuable information that led to arrests, I still don;t see proof that it disrupted the LA plot. Just that it led to the arrests of those involved.

maynard you are an idiot...

Aaron Gardner Thursday, April 23rd at 6:19PM EDT (link)

if they were free they would have tried again. That’s what they do.

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I agree that it led to arrests.

maynardjames Thursday, April 23rd at 6:29PM EDT (link)

But it didn’t foil the LA plot. It’s possible that they would have tried to execute a plot that we were already aware of anyway, but I doubt it. But yes, they likely would have started planning another attack. That is what they do. However, we foiled several plots without torturing, and as far as I know, those instances outnumber the plots foiled due to torture. I’d be open to evidence that refutes that.

OK, so that's the standard now?

E Pluribus Unum Thursday, April 23rd at 6:36PM EDT (link)

First of all your use of the word ‘torture’ is out of order in the manner you use it. But in my mind I’ll substitute ‘.waterboarding’

So if I get you right, because we allegedly foiled more plots by other means than by waterboarding, we should abandon waterboarding.

This year the Dallas Cowboys scored more points by passing than by the ground attack. Therefore, we should abandon the running game entirely because we scored more by passing.

Got it.

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well maynard according to the law we haven't tortured anyone...so your argument is a false one...

Aaron Gardner Thursday, April 23rd at 6:36PM EDT (link)

additionally it proves that you aren’t here in good faith. Since you are claiming waterboarding to be torture which according to law it is not.

Furthermore we have no way of knowing what would have happened if KSM wasn’t waterboarded and didn’t give up these guys.

You leftists like to act like these guys gave up on terrorism after the 2002 plot was discovered…that fact is they didn’t and don’t and that is why you can’t say that the attack was foiled in 2002…because participants in the plot were still on the lose…the plot could not have been totally foiled as you are trying to make it seem.

It was not until all the participants in that cell were captured that the plot could be considered foiled and that occurred due to intelligence gather from KSM by means of waterboarding.

You are a disingenuous troll. And you are wasting our time.

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Wow, lefty logic at its best.

Ward_Off_Monkey Thursday, April 23rd at 8:05PM EDT (link)

That’s as good as the great O saying his stimulus bill will create or save 3.5 million jobs. How does one measure the “saved” jobs? The One will always succeed with goals such as this, By your reasoning we should abandon all EIT techniques because most terrorists may not be trained to endure more than the simplest interrogation and give up their information easily, therefore it is not reasonable to use enhanced techniques on those who are a bit tougher to crack. Since we can’t necessarily measure lives saved we should just assume it’s a win-win situation? We saved some lives and the terrorists didn’t have to endure anything more than some tough questioning followed by a nice thank you?

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you doubt it.... you obviously know NO facts....

JLenardDetroit Thursday, April 23rd at 8:22PM EDT (link)

Oversea wire-tapping uncovered a plot regarding the Brooklyn Bridge without specifics…. it was later deemed that the best way to bring the Bridge down was to torch through the cables via access in an out of the way and shielded building underneath the Bridge (not giving any secrets here, it is still guarded today - NOW!)…. WATER-BOARDING of one of the only THREE individuals that were water-boarded (don’t recall this instance which one) yielded the name of the saboteur…. Chatter later revealed a message “Brooklyn Bridge ‘Too Hot’” referring to all the stepped up security but NOT that the plot was called off entirely but that it could NOT be undertaken until things cooled off around the Bridge…. That person was caught and arrested with the Torch and Tanks that would be used to burn through those Cables in his Apartment!!!! All 100% because the Water-boarding yielded 100% accurate intelligence!

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maynardjames...you are incorrect...

Aaron Gardner Thursday, April 23rd at 5:50PM EDT (link)

The memo that your man-god declassified proves you wrong.

And your tired talking point has been disproven multiple times already today.

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Please expand on where I am incorrect.

maynardjames Thursday, April 23rd at 5:53PM EDT (link)

I am open to your arguments.

sure no problem maynard...

Aaron Gardner Thursday, April 23rd at 5:57PM EDT (link)

Pages 10-12 Now run along before you trip up on your talking points and embarrass yourself.

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you assume it's the same plot.

E Pluribus Unum Thursday, April 23rd at 5:53PM EDT (link)

The record shows that a bunch of people, as a direct result of the intel extracted from KSM in the fall of 2003, were arrested in a plot to fly a commercial airliner into the Library Tower.

If you dispute that, then you dispute the memos. It doesn’t really MATTER whether you think it’s the same plot, whether it WAS the same plot, whether it was a revival of the same plot with a new cell, or what.

KSM gave up information. CIA used that information to shut down a plot. Period.

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It was the same plot, EPU...

rbdwiggins Thursday, April 23rd at 6:28PM EDT (link)

KSM was the mastermind behind the Second Wave which included flying a high-jacked airliner into the Library Tower. He confirmed the validity of the information extracted by the unidentified Southeastern Asian country (Which I believe to be Malaysia.).

Note to our lefty participants: There were multiple plots, enhanced interrogation techniques were highly successful in stopping another 9-11 style attack on US soil and we are safer today because of the intelligence those techniques produced. That’s why President Obama doesn’t want to release the rest of the memos.

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Jumping to baseless conclusions...

rbdwiggins Thursday, April 23rd at 6:06PM EDT (link)

is an inherent flaw commonly found in the liberal mind.

I don’t believe the article identified the specific enhanced interrogation technique employed by the unidentified Southeastern Asian country.

One very popular interrogation technique employed by a few Southeastern Asian countries involves a generator, some jumper cables and human testicles.

The technique also seems to be quite popular in some parts of Latin America and the Middle East. Saddam Hussein certainly enjoyed the spectacle.

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

If these techniques are effective,

maynardjames Thursday, April 23rd at 6:08PM EDT (link)

should we use them as well?

Honest question.

I seriously doubt that's an honest question -nt

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It is actually. How far are we willing to go?

maynardjames Thursday, April 23rd at 6:17PM EDT (link)

I think that’s a healthy thing to discuss.

OK - then it kinda depends on the definition of 'we' then, doesn't it?

E Pluribus Unum Thursday, April 23rd at 6:23PM EDT (link)

Since you brought it up, let’s say it was you in the Captain Kirk chair. How far are YOU willing to go to extract vital intel from a known terrorist mastermind about suspected ongoing plots against the nation you swore to defend?

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Well maynardjames WE (doesn't include you) would...

JadedByPolitics Thursday, April 23rd at 6:33PM EDT (link)

go as far as WE needed to to ensure the safety of America….lock stock and barrel if so required! Terrorists need to FEEL like their lives are going to be taken if they do not cough up information! WE will not chop off their head BUT I would like them to think it just MIGHT occur! I like the way the Russians do it….http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htterr/articles/20060629.aspx

THAT IS THE WAY TO HANDLE TERRORISTS!

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does not destroy him is his own enemy

If you read the memos,

maynardjames Thursday, April 23rd at 6:53PM EDT (link)

the threat of imminent death is what we considered illegal at the time. That’s why we had to tell them that the insects we put in the little box while they were in there might sting them, but would not kill them.

so you tehn admit maynard that what they did was legal...my you are a duplicitous bunch you leftist cowards...nt

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We are willing to go only as far as legally allowed.

Brian Hibbert Thursday, April 23rd at 6:34PM EDT (link)

And the interrogators specifically asked if their planned actions were legally allowed.

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maynard...I possted the memos...you still haven't read it...why do you continue to lie...why won't you address the link I posted....I think I know why...troll..nt

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going to eat now maynard...I will be back to check on you in a bit...troll...nt

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Define the parameters...

rbdwiggins Thursday, April 23rd at 6:38PM EDT (link)

What is the threat-level?
What does the subject supposedly know?
What is the time-frame?
How many Americans are going to die from the failure to act?

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I bet he read EPU's diary nt

mom2oneson Thursday, April 23rd at 4:55PM EDT (link)

The time is not right for Eastern Front Politics

Section9 Thursday, April 23rd at 6:27PM EDT (link)

It’s not time yet to refight the battle of Kharkov quite yet. It’s quite time to let the Democrats stew in their juices and allow the Administration camp to wallow in some confusion.

What will happen is that the Republicans will come together and becoming much more cohesive. I call this the “Wehrmacht in retreat” phase of the party’s existence. Yeah, I know, the Wehrmacht lost in the end, but the Democrats are full of pi** and vinegar right now, and they are taking steps which they believe will give them power for a very, very long time. The Republican Party is coming to believe that it is in an existential fight. All that they fought for in the war against Islamic Fascism is being called in to question, and their leaders, if not their Party, is being held up ridicule and as an example of wickedness and evil.

This is an example of the Winning Party prosecuting members of the Losing Party. There is precedent for this: the McCarthy Hearings, when the Tailgunner went out of control and led Jacobin Republicans on a series of witch hunts which tarred the good name of anti-communists.

Obama has unleashed the Furies. He simply doesn’t know it yet. The pent up anger and vitriol of the Democratic Party, flush with victory and full of self-righteous anger and conviction, will overreach as McCarthy did before them.

This is like a Greek Tragedy. Obama is at the zenith of his power. All before him lay prostrate. He has made his fatal mistake. He has given his enemies the sword they need to defend themselves and called into question his word and his judgement.

But it is not time yet to go scorched earth on these people. Let them first fight over the spoils of victory a little bit more, let them concentrate on prosecuting Republicans instead of bringing the country together and doing what is good for the whole nation.

Let the electorate see what this crew of Jacobins are actually made of first.

“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”-Winston Churchill

Hope you're right, Section9, but don't think you are.

Achance Thursday, April 23rd at 6:39PM EDT (link)

Democrat strategists have spent every waking moment since ‘94 thinking about how they let that happen. They’re not far from hegemony now. The business community won’t dare cross them or spend money against them. All they have to do is pass Card Check and they have their socialist workers party with compelled contributions in half the Country with the rest of the Country not far behind. The economy will immediately begin to reel once the arbitrations start under Card Check. First there’ll be wage driven inflation, then there’ll be Godawful layoffs and the attendant distress. All he needs is to downsize the military and we can add an American version of the freicorps to the poisonous mix.

In Vino Veritas

Donks are running rampant...

larryp Thursday, April 23rd at 7:19PM EDT (link)

and the “Truth” hearings are designed to suck theair out of the news cycle.
No donk will testify or be deposed. Only the GWB appointees and all the dnk news twits will be sothrilled. Nothing of what Obama’s shock troops do to theUSA will be covered. It waill be all torture all the time. Like on MSNBC last nite, a collage of “wanted posters” will be on the screen.

 

They're Really Bad At This, Though

IJB Thursday, April 23rd at 8:40PM EDT (link)

If the Dems were really serious about turning the U.S. into a one-party state, they’d be going ahead full-bore on these show trials, and lengthening the ‘indictment’ list every hour. (And they would have passed Card Check on, like, Day *10*!)

Instead, they’ve quasi-retreated, like a confused deer in the headlights. It now looks to me like the ’show trials’ have been called off!

Maybe Kos & co. are right after all - when the Dems really have the chance, they do seem to fail to pull the pin/go for the jugular.

In the end, what always seems to undo the Democrats is ‘not overreaches’ on their grandiose Stalinist Utopian dreams and policies - in the end, it always seems to be their inherent incompetence that’s their undoing.

 
 

Except that, in McCarthy's case....

furious Friday, April 24th at 10:14AM EDT (link)

…there really was Communist infiltration of the Gov’t at the time. Not fair to compare TailGunner Joe to today’s Commuinty-Based Reality.

–furious

“I find your lack of faith disturbing.” — Darth Vader

 
 

As far as "scorched earth" goes,

Joe_Cor Thursday, April 23rd at 6:47PM EDT (link)

I’ll believe it when I see it. These are Republicans, after all.

If they were to follow such a course, they better have a plan in place to deal with the media that involves more than sitting there with a deer-in-the-headlights expression while Charlie or Matt or Katie or Brian savage them in interviews.

And if there are procedures out there they can use to “shut down” Congress, why aren’t they contemplating any of these procedures to slow down the Obama agenda down a little bit? Like on defense cuts, socialized health care, massive deficits, etc.?

The GOP's

BlueLandRed Thursday, April 23rd at 7:56PM EDT (link)

fiscal irresponsibility over the past 8 years is now coming back to really bite it in the a**. And I’m afraid the MSM is taking the Dems talking points hook line and sinker and is starting to frame the Republican party as the Party of No.

I get the emotional appeal of “shutting down Congress”, but we’re all foolish if we don’t understand the risks, which are substantial.

If the public doesn’t follow the GOP but instead aligns with the Dems in this fight it could embolden the Dems to counterattack the scorched earth policy by going nuclear. And all the recent polling I’ve seen doesn’t bode well for the Republicans, so don’t assume that it couldn’t happen.

Like it or not, the Dems hold significant majorities in both houses and the executive branch, so while this might be the time and the place to fight this battle, failure to win could result in things being a whole lot worse.

What Polling Are You Talking About?!

IJB Thursday, April 23rd at 8:44PM EDT (link)

Because the only polling I am seeing these days shows Obama & the Dems both plummeting to Earth, as they get 0% GOP voter support, and as increasingly large sections of the ‘independent’ vote go running for the exit!

Can you site any of those polls?

Joe_Cor Thursday, April 23rd at 9:14PM EDT (link)

I hope you’re right.

Rasmussen's Pretty Much The Only One I Pay Attention To...

IJB Thursday, April 23rd at 10:06PM EDT (link)

But I’ve seen some other polls cited by others around this site over the past month which show the same basic trends. (Don’t remember details…)

Right now, Obama’s down to 54-55% in Rasmussen. That means all it will take is for one more pretty bad thing to happen, and he’ll plummet towards 40-45% pretty quick…

His approval index also hit +2 not too long ago

scarlos Friday, April 24th at 6:15AM EDT (link)

if it drops to negatives before his 100 days are up that will be one heck of a blow since it was at +30 when he took office.

I mean, Bush’s Strongly disapprove rating was at 41% when he left office, and Obama’s is currently hovering around 34%. The Democrats have also lost an 8-point lead on the Generic Congressional Ballot. This makes his first 3 months arguably the worst politically of any president since the 19th century.

Socialism is Oligarchy in disguise

A liberal is a person who thinks there is no problem that cannot be solved by consolidating more power in their own hands

 
 
 
 

☝ ☝ Doesn't distinguish between 85 mph and 115 mph ☝ ☝

6eorge Jetson Thursday, April 23rd at 9:27PM EDT (link)

In a mere 8 weeks, Obama managed to pass an agenda that will dwarf what George W Bush did in 8 years.

Yes, the Republicans spent too freely in the last two presidential terms. As to Obama campaign criticisms such as the $10 Billion/month cost of the Iraqi and Afghanistan wars, all I can say is “How quaint!”

Republican leaders need to present the magnitude of the future debt to the public in some easy to grasp medium (such as the repeated use of an agreed upon chart).

 

Is the risk of shutting down Congress more substantial

ocleverone Thursday, April 23rd at 10:36PM EDT (link)

than the subversion of the Republic?

To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher

 
 
 

Rep. King:

WarEagle01 Thursday, April 23rd at 7:02PM EDT (link)

One of the few up there who isn’t testicularly challenged.

“A wise, doughy leg with rich tingly experiences will always reach better conclusions than will a more tanned, muscular leg that hasn’t felt those thrills.” –Chris Matthews’ Leg

 

Finally

applycs Thursday, April 23rd at 8:22PM EDT (link)

A voice that resonates some common sense.

The rest of you congressional Republicans take note. If only.

 

Gov't Shutdown of '95 -- How'd THAT work out...

furious Friday, April 24th at 10:21AM EDT (link)

…for Newt and Co? As I recall, Bubba played the Congressional Republicans like a banjo. And the media now are even more in the tank for the current White House occupant.

And Republican leadership (Newt) were arguably smarter politically and the Republican caucus in better array than either are now.

–furious

“I find your lack of faith disturbing.” — Darth Vader

 

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