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Why General McChrystal Must Be Fired – But President Obama May Not Be Able To

A Hole of His Own Making

President Obama should fire General Stanley McChrystal, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, for a highly impolitic interview Gen. McChrystal gave to Rolling Stone magazine (of all places) mocking the Vice President and the U.S. Ambassador in Afghanistan, among others, and making evident his disdain for the Administration’s civilian management of the war effort. Obama should fire him – but he’s painted himself into a corner in which doing so would be damaging to him politically and to the nation’s war effort. Let’s review why.

When Barack Obama came into office, he had an Afghanistan problem. Obama had won crucial credibility with the anti-war Left, and thus the Democratic presidential nomination, by opposing (at times) the Iraq War. At the same time, he marketed himself as being serious about national security by touting his support for the war in Afghanistan. Coming into office, he needed to reassure the military, the Afghan government and other U.S. allies, and the existing domestic supporters of the Afghan war (many of whom were Republicans unenthused about supporting any Obama initiative) that he was really serious. Complicating matters, the Democrats had spent the prior several years building a narrative in which the Bush Administration had sinned by not listening to criticism from the brass, and in which military men like Gen. Eric Shinseki (now Secretary of Veterans Affairs) were all but sainted for publicly splitting with the Bush Administration’s war management. Obama, having little credibility of his own on national security matters, could scarcely hope to survive a public battle with his own military leadership.

Obama got off to a rough start. First of all, he came to office with no executive experience, no national security experience (in the Senate he’d never bothered holding hearings on the subcommittee he chaired overseeing Afghanistan) and no military service record; his Vice President, while schooled in foreign affairs, was likewise a career legislator with no military service record, ditto his Secretary of State. He ended up with yet another legislator running the CIA after his first choice was seen by the Left as too tied to the intelligence community. To balance this team out (Presidents always lack something and need balance from their advisers, but Obama lacked more than most), he had to lean heavily on holdovers: he kept Bush’s Defense Secretary, Robert Gates, and gave wide latitude to General David Petraeus, architect of the Iraq War surge that Obama, Biden and Clinton had opposed with varying levels of scorn. He also picked a military man (Gen. James Jones) as his National Security Advisor, although that has worked out poorly.

Then, as I detailed back in September, Obama backed off his original promises for more troops in Afghanistan and sacked the commander there, General David McKiernan, in May 2009 after McKiernan asked for more troops. McKiernan was replaced with General Stanley McChrystal, a blunt-spoken counterinsurgency specialist and ally of General Petraeus who had something of a track record – known to those around him – of speaking out of turn.

McChrystal quickly lived up to that reputation, with speeches and an assessment of the Afghan situation (leaked to the public) that increased the public heat on Obama to come up with more troops for the mission. McChrystal’s actions at the time tiptoed up to the line of undermining the all-important chain of command, but they were also critical to moving the public and the President in support of the war effort. The President eventually gave in, delivering a substantial troop surge, albeit one with a good deal fewer forces than McKiernan or McChrystal had asked for and with a bunch of promises to his own supporters about withdrawal timetables.

Now, months later, McChrystal has plowed over that line, and done so for no such obviously good purposes, and with plenty of notice about what the article would look like. Military men in a theater of war are prone to strong opinions, and it’s hard to say that Vice President Biden and Ambassador Karl Eikenberry, among others, haven’t earned Gen. McChrystal’s contempt. But doing so in public is insubordination, plain and simple, and completely inconsistent with our tradition of a chain of command and civilian control of the military. A military man who wants to open both barrels in public against the political leadership has a time-honored way to do that: resign his commission and enter politics. As Harry Truman understood when he fired Douglas MacArthur – then a national hero – at great political cost, a president who doesn’t show the generals who is boss is no longer running anything. That’s bad for civilian-military relations and bad for the president’s and the nation’s credibility, as subordinates learn they can get away with more and allies and enemies wonder who they should listen to. While it speaks well of Gen. McChrystal that the Afghan government is publicly backing him, a president who lets foreign governments, even key allies, have any say in picking his own military officers has lost face he can’t recover.

So, to preserve his own credibility and authority and secure the chain of command, Obama must fire General McChrystal. But doing so isn’t so easy. As Dan Foster notes, the conclusion of the prior dust-up over troop strength showed that much of the public’s trust in Obama was based on the credibility of McChrystal’s recommendations. The champions of Gen. Shinseki will look – rightly – like contemptible hypocrites for sacking a distinguished commander for saying what he thinks. The troops in the field, always prone to regard civilian meddling as foolhardy, may regard the firing of a blunt commander – barely a year after the last commander was sacked after disagreeing with the White House – as a sign that the civilian leadership can’t take some hurt feelings. Obama is also simultaneously cruising for a divisive showdown over ending Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, a change that is sure to be opposed in at least some corners of the military. More significantly, in the short run, McChrystal’s experience and expertise may be hard to replace overnight.

And worst of all for Obama, a credible declare-victory-and-begin-to-draw-down scenario, as was attained by the success of the surge in Iraq by mid-2008, is not on the horizon:

Underlying everything is a far bigger problem. Obama’s strategy of shifting the military’s focus – and 30,000 troops – from Iraq to Afghanistan hasn’t yet yielded a major breakthrough.

The disaster in the Gulf has obscured a steadily increasing drumbeat of bad news and ill omens on Afghanistan. After mixed results in the campaign to re-take Marja, the Pentagon was forced to delay a critical summer offensive in Kandahar, the cradle of the Afghan Taliban insurgency. Earlier this year simmering tensions between the administration and Afghan President Hamid Karzai broke into the open with U.S. officials sharply criticizing Karzai on issues ranging from corruption and nepotism to the fitness of the country’s fighting forces to electoral reform – set against the backdrop of a resurgent Taliban.

That lack of tangible success seems to be splitting official Washington, slowly but inexorably, into hawks and doves camps, with Gates bearing the flag for those who favor a relatively open-ended large-scale commitment of troops with Vice President Joe Biden and others pushing for a far more scaled down approach and Obama himself somewhere in the middle.

People close to Obama say the president recognizes the crisis isn’t just about any one general, but recalibrating policy after a delay of the summer offensive in Kandahar and harmonizing a fractious team of military and civilian advisers.

Whether Obama chooses to start abandoning the war effort or again to face down calls from his own base to do so, he will need the credible backing of trusted military leaders – and shoving out the architect of the current plan (who may well respond by issuing blunter critiques from the outside if he’s pushed out) and bringing in a third commander in Afghanistan in 14 months is no way to win confidence from the public, the military or our allies.

These are tough decisions, and precisely why the presidency is not suited for on-the-job training for people who have never run anything before, or for politicians like President Obama who have built up no basis for trusting them on critical issues of national security. Obama has been walking a very narrow tightrope on Afghanistan, supported largely by the generals. He may be about to fall off.

COMMENTS

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    Who would want to be the next man up?

    • The Old Dog

      in Star Wars when a commander failed – after he killed the commander he turned to the next officer and said something like “you’re in charge now” and the terrified look on the man’s face was priceless.

      • stephaniet

        “YOU are in command now, *Admiral* Piett.”

        …I’m a nerd. I’ll be over here in my nerdy corner.

        • Raven

          I’m thinking of Captain Needa, though.

      • wayneepalmer

        At the head of an armored column.

        • granitegriz

          We can only hope that some day a General who took his oath seriously in protecting the United States and it’s constitution will show up at the White House and Congress and remove all that have apparently declared war on the country’s citizens and its Constitution. Quickly remove the closet Muslim who is bringing us to our knees without ever firing a shot! Pure & Simple. Then there will be a need for a real grass roots elections around the country maybe even drafting the reluctant ones that are true believers in what our forefathers had intended for us. Term limits for all just as the President has and by all means no lawyers.

  • Achance
    • yoyo

      Mutiny not only reflects poorly on the Commander, but it also reflects poorly on the crew.

      You had a poor Commander/Skipper; granted. However, now you are left with an undisciplined crew and an agitator at the helm.

      Not the military I want defending me, thank you very much.

      • http://www.wolvesofliberty.com GJ Merits

        I don’t Obama will fire him out of sheer fear. Just think of the book McChrystal could write. I bet we haven’t heard the half of it. I say if you have an incompetent CIC who does not even return your phone calls then your options begin to shrink if you want to get his attention. I say well done to the General. He did his duty.

        For some reason I am reminded of the military in Honduras marching out that country’s president when he refused to leave office and wanted to serve another term – in clear violation of their constitution. I find it very telling that Obama, Fidel, and Hugo sided together. Really let that sink in. The leader of the free world and two communist dictators hate it when the constitution is enforced.

        • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

          All siding against the Constitution (of Honduras). All siding against the Rule of Law, and not of Men. All siding against free markets and freedom of speech, and in favor of mercantilist, fascist government and government control of political speech.

  • http://truthupfront.blogspot.com jsanzone

    I still think even military personnel should not be afraid to express their opinions. If McChrystal is fired, this will be the result. The Obama Administration is obviously bumbling on Afghanistan, and if it weren’t for McChrystal’s/aides’ comments the problems at the highest levels may not have ever been exposed so clearly (or come under scrutiny). We should be putting more pressure on the Administration, even if insisting on asking the questions of military decorum as pertains to McChrystal.

    • yoyo

      Disciplined leaders follow the Chain of Command.

      If you have an issue with something, file a grievance or suck it up. You sure as hell do not back talk or blab to the press all your boss’s dirty laundry. You can’t even do that as a civilian. You would become part of the 15% of America looking for a job.

      Loose Lips Sink Ships. In this case, the ship is McChrystal himself.

      The military is NOT a democracy and decisions are not reached by consensus.

      To quote (uhhgh) TopGun: “[The military] does not make Policy, civilians do. We are an instrument of that Policy.”

      • acat

        And I don’t mean Trash Haulers vs. Fighter Mafia, or Air Scouts vs. Leathernecks. I don’t mean Fobbits vs. front-line either, but that’s closer….

        What I do mean is we have a military where some members have felt a need to create the Oath Keepers…. in a well disciplined military where the chain of command is secure and respected, there would be no need for this kind of organisation – alas, the military chain has been so mucked up by the civilians (read Democrat office-holders) that some feel the need to reassure themselves and the public that they’re on the side of the Constitution.

        This is not headed anyplace good, and McChrystal speaking out of line will only reinforce the perception that this kind of divide already exists – that the time to “choose sides” is approaching.

        Mew

      • obladioblada

        and discipline requires that leaders follow the chain of command. Consistency and a respect for military discipline force me to agree that McChrystal needs to be fired.

        However, part of me also says that Barry and his minions should be held to the same standards to which they held W. Since insubordination was celebrated as an honest expert opinion and a matter of competence when military leaders criticized W, shouldn’t Barry be welcoming this independent thinking? Perhaps it behooves Barry to be magnanimous and publicly acknowledge McC’s concerns and use them as a basis for re-evaluating his strategy. You know, live up to his promise of no “yes men.”

        ?I want somebody who can be an outstanding president, should something happen to me. I want somebody who?s got integrity and I want somebody who has independence. I want somebody who will tell me when they disagree with me.

        ?I don?t like having a lot of ?yes? people around me who are just telling me what I want to hear all the time. That?s part of what happened with George Bush. He surrounded himself with people who were of the same mind.

        ?As a consequence, once he started making mistakes on things like Iraq, they just kept on saying it was going OK, when it wasn?t. That?s a huge problem. That?s something that?s going to have to change.?

    • aesthete

      for expressing one’s opinion. A rag like Rolling Stone isn’t it.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    Something nobody in the MSM would even have a clue how to do.

    The other conflict that is brewing is between an administration that views military action strictly from a viewpoint of its own political interests and thus has no respect for the lives of our soldiers versus a military that has loyalty to its soldiers and protecting their lives from being wasted.

    If the military leadership decides that they are being sacrificed literally to the political interests of politicians in detrement to the security of the U.S. and the lives of our soldiers – we could be headed towards a constitutional crisis unprecedented since 1861.

  • bk

    McChrystal is not an idiot, and it seems to me that he decided to sacrifice the rest of his career to get the word out that we’ve got a bunch of idiots in charge of our national defense.

    Now Obama is stuck – he’s going to have to fire McChrystal while making comments about how important it is that Obama and “his team” (sycophants only need apply) are all “on the same page” (don’t stray from the script) when it comes to our “long term strategy” (today’s talking points).

    Obama is going to try to act tough by throwing another general under the bus while Afghanistan – you know, the one that candidate Obama said was the ‘good war’ that needed all our focus – is turning into a complete quagmire because he’s got our guys’ hands tied. Meanwhile Obama has done absolutely zero at protecting us abroad.

    It’s a perfect parallel to the Mexican border situation. Act tough against Arizona while doing absolutely squat to protect our border.

    • Kyle-MI

      He would have made a much bigger statement by resigning and then raking Obama and his minions over the coals in his public letter of resignation. Setting himself up to get fired over an interview in Rolling Stone won’t have the same affect. It give too much ammunition to Obama.

      • acat

        even if it’s not immediately clear what that ‘something` may be.

        Recall that this is the same theater of war that Obama had ignored pretty much since taking office. Had ignored in fact until the last time McChrystal went outside proper channels.

        This is a highly dysfunctional White House, one that doesn’t recognize the responsibilities that come with its’ rights and powers, and as a result is going to run into walls that it literally doesn’t know are there.

        Mew

  • ZootSuit
  • E Pluribus Unum

    I agree with you, Dan. McChrystal should be sacked. I agree on the particlars as well, noting that it would not have come to this point if Bambi was not making political decisions based on his stupid ideology that have no connection to reality.

    This week, the bill is due for his foolishness.

  • ciscoguy

    Was wondering when you guys were going to report on this ? worth the wait.

    Politically speaking, Obama has to fire McChrystal over this. The narrative that Obama is an incompetent boob is (correctly) starting to crystallize in the minds of many people, so this will be a way for him to quickly reassert his authority as president. The problem is, who do you replace him with? And, if you replace him with a guy who is worse, there will be a political price to pay for this too. These are the decisions being weighed by Obama and his political cronies.

    The funny (or not so funny) thing here is that this is all about politics with this president. He didn?t give McChrystal the levels of troops he requested and offered a ridiculous withdrawal (surrender) deadline as a cookie to the Code Pink acolytes. He was never in it to win it but rather as this crazy political triangulation game in order to get himself elected while not looking too hawkish nor too dovish.

  • taxpayer1234

    He’s a general, not a raw recruit–he knows exactly what insubordination is. Whatever his reasons, I’m sure we’ll find out after he gets booted.

    • acat

      Yes, it’s in the nature of a joke.

      Mew

      • The_Fastest_Squirrel

        So I’m not sure that is going to work out. It really is too bad. I’ve worked with Stan McChrystal and respect him. I just can’t see why a guy like that would think that Obama would be the guy to be his boss. I suppose a lot of people are in that boat.

        Not round these parts, at least.

        • erod

          Article on McChrystal’s vote here…
          http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/68229

          • acat

            It was a joke at best, and not a good one at that….

            Mew

          • ciscoguy

            “Yes, I think I’ll vote for the guy who will to shred the same Constitution that my men are getting killed defending. And, while I’m at it, give me the apathetic anti-war guy who will get as many of my troops killed as possible in a politically correct war fought for no other reason but to uphold a campaign promise that he made for political reasons.”

            Maybe this guy’s decision-making skills really are suspect.

          • acat

            Which just goes to show Mellencamp had it right. “You gotta stand right up for somethin’, or you’re gonna fall for anythin’.”

            Mew

            (off the album “Scarecrow”, for the historically-minded)

          • yoyo

            A three-star General does not make Three-Stars by just being a warrior or a soldier. They make it by being a Politician.

            My guess, McChrystal read the tea-leaves in 08 (possibly as far back as 05) and moved with the political wind. It is an expedient way to further your career.

            I just think he became chided once the Won began undercutting him. McChrystal does not seem the type to take being ignored too lightly. Plus, the Warrior in him cannot not protect those whom he commands. I think he figured this was the best way he could serve them.

            One thing is certain…Obama is listening to him now!

        • erod

          Article on McChrystal’s vote here…
          http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/68229

    • doncorleone

      I agree with you that this is no accident, Gen. McChrystal took himself out of the game. His “superiors” weren’t going to allow him to win this fight. Community organizer in chief and his flunkies running the war with antiwar throwbacks in his ear, results in a “jabberwocky” battle strategy, which is nothing new, and the results will be the same.

  • longwalker

    If General McChrystal had done the honorable thing – resign and then speak out – how much media exposure would he have gotten? IIHO, I doubt that the MSM would have been camped on his doorstep. Aside from a few bloggers on the internet, I doubt that the reasons for his resignation would receive much publicity. Having said that, I agree that he must be fired. Such insorbordination in a professional military officer should not be tolerated for any reason.

  • longwalker

    If General McChrystal had done the honorable thing – resign and then speak out – how much media exposure would he have gotten? IIHO, I doubt that the MSM would have been camped on his doorstep. Aside from a few bloggers on the internet, I doubt that the reasons for his resignation would receive much publicity. Having said that, I agree that he must be fired. Such insorbordination in a professional military officer should not be tolerated for any reason.

  • izoneguy

    and spend the summer campaigning for conservatives all over America.

    And shine a 500,000 watt light that is the dim bulb will call ZERO.

  • http://www.veronicaestrada.com/ Veronica

    Obama owns the MSM, so no coal-availability, Kyle.

    This is all very curious.

    We know McChyrstal’s always had a wild-man streak.

    Didn’t McChyrstal’s first insubordinate set of remarks last year occur out of the country, where they had a chance of being picked up?

    And now he’s speaking directly to Obama’s key demographic via Rolling Stone?

    I predict McChrystal will go, but primarily because Obama won’t have the patience *waste a crisis*.

    The crisis, it’s been revealed these last weeks, is Afghanistan is fast going downhill, with the UN leading the charge on saying how things are getting worse.

    Once McChrystal pays the price, we’ll have to draw up new plans to delay the draw down, send more cash and civilian ops via USAID… then things will only get better!

    We will have to re-elect Obama in 2012 to see the second chapter of this drama and let the fruits of Obama’s worldview unfold.

    We’re just a buncha useless by-standers, golly gee.

    Time to unplug the ‘net before McChrystal starts his own blog and gets addicted to Twitter!

    Can’t wait for the tell-all!!!

  • snowshooze

    I think he is playing the whole hand here, either let me run this show to win and get out of Afghanistan with a victory and minimum troop losses, or fire me because I won’t quit on my boys.
    That’s my read.
    He has to be sick of losing troops and ground due to the indecisive administration and has decided to cut loose and let the chips fall where they may. I think he feels it is his duty to his office and men.

    I believe there is a chance that Obama does not have the guts to fire him, but that is balanced against Obama being the complete idiot he obviously is…
    So…
    I bet Obama fires him, because Obama never fails to make the absolute stupidest decisions possible.

    Good luck General McChrystal, you are an honorable man.

    • Jack_Savage

      Then he will be free to speak his mind and unite the country – doesn’t the left always fawn over generals speaking truth to power?

  • smitch61

    He will get everyone off the hook. He will probably resign for the betterment of the troops.

  • Jack_Savage

    It seems that the reason Obama and the general got off to a bad start was that Obama had no idea who McChrystal was or any clue about his distinguished military career. The Dems can’t make political careers and political hay out of trashing the military and not expect some blowback. Real men and women make a decision then stand behind it. Gutless cowards vote for the war, then campaign against it. The military, more than anyone else, knows the difference.

    McChrystal absolutely must go, but he is exactly right – the enemy is here. Maybe home is where he can do the most good.

  • http://www.thehayride.com MacAoidh

    Link: http://pajamasmedia.com/eddriscoll/2010/06/22/times-joe-klein-on-cnn-mcchrystal-has-submitted-resignation/

  • http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/ reaganiterepublicanresistance

    If you believe Joe Klein and his sources

    http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/2010/06/breaking-mcchrystal-resigns.html

  • redcometchar2010

    McChrystal should be canned. You can’t have generals undercutting the President even though the President might be doing some stupid things. Now, I’ve read the Uniform Code of Military justice regarding mutiny and I’m not sure, but would a mass resignation of senior commanders constitute mutiny? Since everything I heard, an officer tendering his/her resignation is not classified as insubordination, would mass resignations be considered mutinous? I don’t know, please someone here feel free to correct me, but a mass resignation would effectively cripple the President and send a powerful message that things need to change. However, I would only contemplate that if 1.) It wasn’t illegal (i.e. mutinous) and 2.) only under very very desperate circumstances. What do you all think?

    • jfrykman

      Of course it isn’t illegal for any officer to resign, except if it involved leaving his post during the heat of battle. Additionally, it isn’t exactly unheard of for military personnel, through the chain of command, to request reassignment.

      Can you think of anything more ridiculous than having a man who served honorably being excoriated, let alone court martialed for requesting a transfer?

      Now wouldn’t the press have a field day over THAT! (As well they should)

  • Tbone

    If Obama keeps him, he looks weak.

    It’s a win/win.

  • kowalski

    McChrystal isn’t an idiot, and he’s most certainly not juvenile, although he looks like both right now. He committed intentional suicide by giving Rolling Stone the imprimatur to publish the article.

    Methinks he wanted out a long time ago. Out of a failing war effort that Obama is probably about to pull the plug on. Obama knew he wanted out, and so a convenient method was found: “Make a mockery of yourself in the pages of Rolling Stone and I’ll just have to barbecue you.”

    I support firing him. I won’t accept anything less than a complete and total loss of his stripes.

    • kowalski

      In Iraq and Afghanistan is going to dwindle after this, and everything we gained will be lost in both. This was a decision that has come from the highest offices in America.

      • bk

        His only interest in the was was for political purposes. “Sir, focus groups like the ‘I’ll get us out of Iraq in 16 months’ line more than the 14 month or 18 month versions we tested, so we recommend that be your soundbite.”

        Afghanistan was the “good war” that he promised to focus on. Instead, he’s spending all his time working on the next version of his “strategy” since it changes every couple months. Meanwhile people here aren’t losing interest in winning; they’re figuring if he’s got our guys over there with both hands tied behind their backs that they’d rather see them come home than be sitting ducks in a guaranteed losing effort. The Taliban can just wait, as they know it’s only a matter of time before Obama bails.

  • ntrepid

    This is an excellent piece but this just makes me laugh:

    ?The champions of Gen. Shinseki will look – rightly – like contemptible hypocrites for sacking a distinguished commander for saying what he thinks.?

    As if those tools were remotely capable of intellectual consistency.

    Q: If a ?reliably incurious press?* does not acknowledge a contemptible hypocrite does one really exist?

    Now, discuss amongst yourselves?

    Ntrepid
    Proud Redstate Member since April 2006??

    * Relying only on memory, I believe this is how A. McCarthy phrased it in Willful Blindness

  • kowalski

    He’s waiting to see what the polling looks like before he does. But he can fire him with the wave of his hand. Ultimately he should fire him. It’s a fait accompli. There’s no forgiving what has been done.

    Obama is going to have to replace him with someone “more to his liking.”

    This is a clumsy way of American military leaders engaging in hari-kari, but it’s about the only way we have: blab to Rolling Stone. But I don’t buy that it wasn’t unpremeditated. McChrystal is getting himself out of the job he no longer wants to do.

    • kowalski

      And he’ll be in demand at all kinds of universities and command a speaking fee of $5,000-$25,000 per appearance. My sincere guess is that he just wanted out of the Obama Administration’s approach to losing the Afghanistan war. He’s willing to take the embarrassment for what he said in Rolling Stone now, which is really very little.

  • kowalski

    Is that McChrystal didn’t have this story published in the New Yorker or in Vanity Fair or even in W. He knew it was going to be published by Rolling Stone, and he must have known that it would make his continuing to be a General impossible.

    He basically read the writing on the wall and decided to give up completely. He’s giving up completely because he’s been told that he can’t win the war in Afghanistan no matter what he does. So he’s going on the lecture circuit after a minor scandal with a few choice words.

    That’s it, folks!

  • kowalski

    And it’s just a guess…

    Is that the Obama Administration and in particular the State Department has been successfully blackmailed by the founder of Wikileaks.

    He’ll have a button pushed somewhere and several years of top secret diplomatic cables will be published to the entire world, and they will put millions of American lives at risk. Obama won’t go after him as a matter of principle, he can’t stop him because the Europeans are sheltering him, and as a result there is one guy in Sweden who is really running our foreign policy right now.

    Welcome to the 21st Century.

  • Old_Crow

    Obama is in a lose – lose position.
    Fire McChrystal (as he should) and he owns the outcome of A-stan 100%. The war is failing due to lack of political commitment, an impending deadline to withdraw, and passive ROE.

    Keep McChrystal and the General owns him. Not a good position to be in as president, but it keeps Obama from getting more personally involved in a deteriorating situation.

    Mattis is the only possible replacement that would work, but I don’t see Mattis and Obama seeing eye-to-eye on anything.

  • sargeantshooter

    his oath. After all he swore to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. If a domestic enemy of the Constitution isn’t a good description of Obama, I don’t know what is.

    • snowshooze

      Wow. Love it.
      And how else could McChrystal get past the WH spin and the MSM?
      Go straight to the people. The cost is a given…but the reward could be getting our boys everything they need to win outright and avoid needless loss of life due to lack of coherent support.
      Unfortunately, there is no known technology that can produce enough horsepower to extract Obama’s head from his tail.

      I hope we do not lose the General for nothing, he just put it all on the line.

  • tngal

    what a way to go. Although his administration deserves it. Personally, I like Mac, and I hate to see this happen to him. Maybe they’ll put the wars under Napalitano. She has so much experience now with security and such.

  • Ed54

    This whole thing is utter crap. Read the article closely. At no point is McChrystal insubordinate to the President. I challenge anyone to provide the exact quote from McChrystal about the President.

    The closest is a one-liner about Biden. But there is no context to the quote, nothing about what was said before or after to help understand what he meant. So now we’re going to fire a 4 star General who is our most critical wartime leader because of an out-of-context quote from a leftist journalist with an anti-war agenda?

    Yes, his staff said some idiotic things. I’ve worked for McChrystal and he does have some loyalists who can be arrogant jerks. But again, we’re going to fire our top military field commander because some of his aides said stupid things in unguarded moments to a Rolling Stone reporter LOOKING to take McChristal down?

    The only people of whom McChrystal showed clear contemt for were Holbrook and Eikenberry. But last I checked, the chain of command runs from the President to the SECDEF to the CENTCOM Commander to McChrystal. He doesn’t work for Holbrook or Eikenberry. While it may be impolitic for him to badmouth them, it is not a threat to civilian control of the military. The only civilans McChrystal works for are Obama and Gates. Nobody else can expect or demand deference.

    • tngal

      who let out the insults, rather the aides. But, he saw the story ahead of time and ok’d it and has been critical of the civies. (people, not the underwear) . Besides I’m not sure sure that he was happy with the support/lack thereof he was getting with this admin. But, in the military pyramid scheme of things he’s the one who could nexed the story, and didn’t. Remember to always paint your boss in the most favorable light, or don’t take up painting at all.

    • snowshooze

      Thanks for the insight.

      • snowshooze

        So I read the Rolling Stone six page article…
        I do not see a problem.
        No way Obama is going to like it, but there’s no insubordination, and I don’t see anything to apologize for.
        Yes, it is candid and rough around the edges, that’s all.
        I respect the General even more for having read it.

    • melatr7

      I would LOVE to see McCrystal put boots on the ground, tender his resignation, and point out that Obama has made EVERYTHING in this country all about national security- even to school lunches and salt- EXCEPT things like the southern border and the two wars!!

      Then I would like to see him use the national stage to SERIOUSLY announce his candidacy for POTUS. McCrystal/DeMint looks good to me. This country would do well if it had a leader with some man parts and McCrystal is far removed from the wimp in chief we have now. We need a leader like him. He has the ability to run this country the way it should be run, provide REAL national defense and restore some badly needed lost pride.

      McChrystal is a GOOD man and an HONORABLE man. The article is a lot of flap about nothing and if that’s all the writer can come up with after following him around for a year- he’s got nothing.

      As for the Biden comment- around here, anytime anyone FARTS in my house, we ask Obama WHO?

    • namron

      NO DIRECT QUOTES FROM MCCHRYSTAL.

      The Article is a MAGNIFICENT piece of deception. Just a thought

      I would encourage people to download Mark?s broadcast from 6/22/2010. It?s free, it might just change your prespective on this, It change mine.

      http://www.mhttp://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/wp-content/themes/redstate4/css/img/button_post_comment.pngarklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930

  • jcincy

    I appreciate the desire for respecting the chain of command, but the weakest link in this chain is the first link and it is broken. Obama and his administration chose ignore General McChrystal. They broke the chain of command.

  • Husker

    I could see a tell-all book in the future for Gen. McChrystal on how the administration and the State Dept. screwed the pooch to be released around October 2012.

  • http://electionsanalysis.blog.com paint_it_red

    1. Obama chose McChrystal because he believed he was the best one to lead our troops in this war.

    2. McChrystal exercised the sacred right of every American and criticized the administration. (seems to me when Chinseki did it, he was revered as a hero on the left).

    3. Obama, in pure hubris, fires McChrystal. (The resignation does in fact mean he was fired).

    4. As a result Obama is putting his pride in front of America’s best chance to win this war. He is putting the lives of more American soldiers at risk. He chose to send a chilling message to those who would criticize him rather than continue with the man he himself declared would be the best man to lead this war.

    Time and again, Obama continues to infuriate me. His incompetence and backseating the good of the country for his political games is so emotionally draining to witness, it is discouraging more than words can say.

  • Dr. Botkin

    some common sense has come into these comments. God bless the General. No longer must he salute the arrogant community organizer.

  • gunslingr45

    or smart is this man? Rolling Stones rag? REALLY? Did he not think it would not get back to the CIC who had just had Paul the British commie over to the WH! Is he stupid or os he planning a coup?

    “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”
    Thomas Jefferson
    How come they have not taken our guns?
    Me.

  • gunslingr45

    He said he voted for the Muslim in chief. What did he expect? Maybe he thought the guy would grow a pair overnight and develop a sudden case of loyalty?

    ?No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.?
    Thomas Jefferson
    How come they have not taken our guns?
    Me.

  • steve53

    Dan McLaughlin wrote: “….So, to preserve his own credibility and authority and secure the chain of command, Obama must fire General McChrystal…..”

    Why should we care about this dangerous man’s credibility or his authority? Anything that redounds to the political destruction of this man and his supporters in Congress, all to the good for the U.S. and the free world. This man, B. Hussein, is an unmitigated disaster. He will destroy this nation. Doesn’t McLaughlin understand this? Why is he advocating for him?

    • Ausonius

      McChrystal’s Motivation as a MAObama voter must be that of a dewy-eyed bride now discovering her husband’s adultery.

      McChrystal must have been doing something recently about expanding the rules of engagement, about receiving more troops, about trying to “win” or at least damage the Taliban/Al-Qaeda so badly that it would seem like a win, before MAObama’s withdrawal deadline.

      And he must have been rebuffed, so that the only recourse was to throw himself onto his sword in the form of the Rolling Stone interview, a known anti-war magazine. People wonder why he did not resign first and then slam MAObama: I think the media fuss would not have been nearly as widespread that way, and he WANTS a media fuss.

      An anecdote on needing the 90,000-100,000 troops vs. the 30,000 sent: I have a friend whose son-in-law is with the Army in Afghanistan. He is in the hospital there temporarily due to dehydration. It seems he goes out on missions so often – without relief – that dehydration is a constant danger.

      So I assume that McChrystal voted for BIG BRObama because he really believed that the cool black dude wanted to win in Afghanistan. Now he knows that we cannot win with the number of troops we have, and has most probably been told that the deadline is etched in stone, no matter what.

      The general should have looked more carefully at BIG BRObama’s books and previous speeches! Winning was never an option in Afghanistan: it was rhetoric only, just like “no middle-class tax increases” was a lie, as is now being revealed.

      So as Steve 53 wrote above: What “credibility” of MAObama’s are we talking about to be preserved? There never was any credibility, if as a voter you were not a dewy-eyed bride.

  • jcincy

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/100044536/breaking-general-stanley-mcchrystal-tenders-his-resignation/

    That’s what I read in this news story.

    If so, then he got a 2 for 1.

    - The general captured a news cycle. He got the news out that B.H.O. has abandoned our troops in Afghanistan. The socialist media was drawn into the story and although they will work on twisting the coverage to follow the W.H. talking points, some of the truth hit the light of day.

    - Whether Obama accepts his resignation or not, General McChrystal now has some name recognition in the media. He can use this to gain more air time to rip apart this administration’s lack of competence and strategy in conducting a war.

    We either need to get out of Afghanistan or we need to use every resource possible to win in Afghanistan. Half-hearted wars (LBJ in Vietnam) threaten the precious lives of our soldiers, destroy morale, and weaken our position in the world.

    • mdd1956

      made this assessment, flown to Afghanistan, met w/ McChrystal, got him a few more things he needs, and reaffirm his commitment.

      He doesn’t have the balls.

  • renny

    and after a “private” moment that will be leaked later as a “stern” speech by little o, we’ll have a war rose garden reconciliation with lots of photos and New Age hugs, because what else is an inexperienced, pacifist lefty going to do?

  • mdd1956

    that’s another disaster

  • GenEarly

    How did we get here? 9/11.

    The need to eliminate Muslim Terrorists from any location where they sought / seek to safely organize is the target.

    It is best done with Special Forces, Drones, and Naval Air Attacks; Fast ,(unannounced), deadly and global.

    Nation Building was a Clintonista Policy that GW Bush originally campaigned against but fell in line with. Iraq ,Afghanistan, Pakistan, and yes, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah controlled Lebanon, and Yemen all are covered by this 9/11 targeting.
    Bring the Big military deployments home to USA for rest, refitting, rearming, retraining for the future.

  • http://www.veronicaestrada.com/ Veronica

    I think he’ll keep him — because McChyrstal could inflict more harm if Obama doesn’t keep him close to the White House.

    I’m thinking Plouffe.

    It would be much worse to allow McChrystal the freedom to make the conservative talk shows.

    There’s too much Obama doesn’t want the country to know.

  • namron

    Mark Levin did a great piece on this yesterday and I would ask that people go back an actual reread the piece. Because there are few direct quotes from McChrystal. Look at what is actual said, who is saying it and who is crafting the articles. It is a MAGNIFICENT piece of deception. Just a thought

    I would encourage people to download Mark’s broadcast from 6/22/2010. It’s free, it might just change your prespective on this, It change mine.

    http://www.marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930

    • jcincy

      Thanks for the link Norman.

  • ktrs

    Couple folks have mentioned Shinseki, but Shinseki didn’t “speak out of turn” and was not insurbordinate. He was asked, point blank, during sworn testimony before the US Congress, how many troops would be needed after the war in Iraq and he gave several caveats as the Senator Levin(?) pressed for an answer, before answering “several hundred thousand” which ultimately was closer to reality than Rumsfeld’s original plan. The “civilian” administration rebuked him, most famously Paul Wolfowitz (who had Phds but no military experience) who said the number was wildly off the mark. Shinseki wasn’t publicly sacked by the president for insubordination, though he was forced to retire. In the McChrystal case, there was disrespect for the chain of command, in an interview, not testimony environment, however its hard to tell from the article if this was aides or McChrystal himself.

    Ultimately the decision boils down to whats more important- chain of command or success in Afghanistan. With chain of command, there seems to be enough uncertainty in the piece to make a lesser punishment possible.

  • jbben

    To all you “military boys”: I don’t care about your unbreakable “chain of command”. Obama is NO Commander In Chief! Anyone can see that. He’s destroying this country in so many ways, it’s hard to keep track. I applaud the courage of Gen. McChrystal who obviously values our country, the Constitution, and the lives of our military forces. He may be sacrificing his career because he cannot in all good conscious see his troops being led to the slaughter by an arrogant, ignorant, clueless commander in chief wannabe. There comes a time when damn the rules and save the sinking ship!! Our country is in unprecedented danger–from it’s own President! This is no time for military etiquette and war games!! Who is willing to stop playing politics and step up to the plate and start fighting for the democracy that is slipping away? It just might be McChrystal. I applaud him. Could it be that outrageous danger from within this country demands seemingly outrageous strategies to protect this country?? Who started this anyway?

    • Vegas_Rick

      illustrate perfectly why it is a VERY BAD idea to have people with no military experience and absolutey no concept of what is required to maintain a combat ready fighting force involved in military matters. The chain of command is paramount you idiot. Without trust and respect for the chain of command, a military cannot operate.

      Having said that, I think old Stan did this on purpose out of frustration with the waffling Obama administration. But, because he knows that he has compromised the mission by challenging the chain of command in a public way, I’m confident that he would have resigned regardless of what Obama said.

      And, yes, I am one of those “military boys.”

      • jbben

        I did not suggest that we should have people with NO military experience involved in military matters. (Better put on your glasses.) You brought up trust and respect … you really think our military trusts this CIC? I don’t. So by your own reasoning, our military already cannot operate. This is what O has earned all by himself.
        Why would you suppose that the term “military boys” is derogatory? It’s not, but I’m sure you can’t be persuaded otherwise. I just noticed that many military people were responding in defense of the chain of command. And I’m questioning whether there doesn’t exist some extreme circumstance that would require extreme measures.

        I am expressing my opinion. What are you going to do, shoot me? You obviously can’t think outside the box. I have nothing against the military. My husband is a Viet Nam vet. Of course the chain of command is necessary in almost all circumstances. BUT not in an extreme crisis where our Pres. is our worst enemy. Open your eyes. I wonder if you would have blindly followed Hitler. I’m not saying that you would or wouldn’t, so don’t get your blood pressure up. Just wondering. Blind obedience is not always such a good thing.

        I’m not surprised that you are a name-caller. That says much about you. And it’s Mrs. Idiot to you.

        And yes…I hope Gen. McChrystal has persistence.