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"Lying To The Choir"

So the reviews have begun to come in for Markos Moulitsas’ book “American Taliban,” which argues that American conservatives are just like the Taliban, and they’re…well, let me start with Jamelle Bouie’s review at the left-wing The American Prospect:

Given the subject matter and his own influence, Moulitsas is sure to find a large audience for American Taliban. This wouldn’t be a problem if the book were a careful comparison of populist nationalist movements, highlighting similarities, underscoring differences, and generally documenting points of congruence between the U.S. conservative movement and populist nationalist groups around the world. But it isn’t.

As Bouie notes, “Moulitsas elides glaring contradictions in his argument and routinely misrepresents his evidence,” and is completely lacking in perspective:

Now, it’s true that certain tendencies on the American right have analogues in fundamentalist Islam; for example, and as Moulitsas points out in his chapter on sex, right-wing conservatives share a hatred of pornography with fundamentalist Iranian authorities. Of course the similarities end there; conservatives boycott pornography, Iran punishes it with death.

But, this gets to the huge, glaring problem with American Taliban; ultimately, any similarities are vastly outweighed by incredibly important distinctions and vast differences of degree. I’m no fan of the right wing, but the only possible way it can be “indistinguishable” from the Taliban is if conservatives are stoning women for adultery, stalking elementary schools to throw acid in girls’ faces, and generally enforcing fundamentalist religious law with torture and wanton violence.

Bouie could have added that American feminists have also campaigned against pornography, which doesn’t make them the Taliban, either. Bouie’s conclusion:

Yes, progressives are depressed and despondent about the future, but that’s no reason for dishonesty and scaremongering, and it doesn’t excuse the obscenity of comparing our political opponents to killers and terrorists.

The whole thing is well worth reading. Kos’ sort of reductionism barely deserves the label “thinking”; it’s shtick, as Bouie observes: “Moulitsas seeks to classify right-wing conservatism as a species of fundamentalist extremism, for the purpose of spurring progressive action.” Matt Yglesias, a progressive blogging contemporary of Kos, reaches the same conclusion, and thinks it’s not even effective as shtick:

This stuff doesn’t win votes anyone [sic] because, after all, it’s a form of preaching to the choir. Which is fine-the choir needs some sermons. But there’s no real upside in lying to the choir. Political movements need to adapt to the actual situation, and that means having an accurate understanding of your foes. You need to see them as they actually are so that you know the right way to respond. Either underestimating or overestimating their level of viciousness and evil can lead to serious miscalculations. Which is just to say that getting this stuff right is more important than coming up with funny put-downs.

Yglesias also notes that “the jacket copy heavily features a misleading out-of-context quote from Rush Limbaugh,” and on Twitter he’s even blunter about Kos’ thesis:

This is false: “in their tactics and on the issues, our homegrown American Taliban are almost indistinguishable from the Afghan Taliban”

And mind you, this coming from a guy who has asserted that “Some day I will write a list of conservative writers who I respect. It will be a short list” and that “most liberals are not nearly condescending enough to conservatives.” But Kos’ shtick is a bridge too far even for Yglesias. Kevin Drum, who’s now at Mother Jones, likewise sniffs, “I haven’t read American Taliban and don’t plan to. I figure I already dislike the American right wing enough, so there’s little need to dump another load of fuel onto my own personal mental bonfire.” The Atlantic rounds up more negative reviews from the Left.

I will give Yglesias and Drum the benefit of the doubt and assume that they’re genuinely put off by Kos’ tactics, and not merely jealous that his visibility and influence have eclipsed theirs (although Kos has come down in the world of late; he lost his TV gig on MSNBC and is apparently bombarding his website’s email subscribers with messages touting the book, while releasing it only in paperback and planning a fairly modest book tour). Either way, it’s clear that even fairly committed activists on the Left aren’t buying what Kos is selling.

Where Bouie, Yglesias and Drum miss the mark, however, is in drawing a parallel to Jonah Goldberg’s book Liberal Fascism, to the point where I wonder if any of them read the book, or even made it all the way through the introduction. Bouie at least notes that “Goldberg sought to make a historical connection between American liberalism and European fascism for the purpose of ‘clearing the record,’” but then blathers that “books like Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism or Mark Levin’s Liberty and Tyranny present a world where liberals are the embodiment of cruel statism.” Drum asks, “Did Liberal Fascism get any similarly incendiary reviews from mainstream conservatives writing in any of America’s premier mainstream conservative publications?” Yglesias refers to the “apocalyptic ‘my enemies are totalitarian madmen’ strain of Birch/Beck/Goldberg conservatism.”

I haven’t read Levin’s book and won’t get into the other parallels, because this does an awful disservice to Jonah and his excellent, serious and thoughtful book. Goldberg’s starting point, of course – as you’d know if you’d read his columns for the decade leading up to the book’s publication – was defensive, against the decades of effort by liberals to characterize Nazism as a movement of the right closely akin to American conservatism. Goldberg took great pains, over and over and over again in his book, to note the very real distinctions between, say, the Nazis and modern American progressives, and to explain that he’s not calling anybody a Nazi (although he does make a fairly compelling case that the Wilson Administration during World War I was perilously close to a European fascist state like Mussolini’s Italy). While Goldberg is harsh in dealing with some of the truly disreputable characters he chronicles, like Margaret Sanger and Woodrow Wilson, he treats many modern liberals not as evil people but as fundamentally well-meaning but misguided people who don’t even understand the intellectual history of their own movement and its common roots with those of European fascists. His use of the smiley-face on the cover is explained explicitly as showing how “nice” modern liberals are, or at least believe themselves sincerely to be. That said, Goldberg’s parallels, such as they are, are sufficiently unforced that they continue to be predictive. The book was written in 2007, before the rise of Barack Obama (who merits only two brief mentions in the book), yet it perfectly captures the strains of both liberal and fascist rhetoric and policy that have recurred through Obama’s tenure. The rhetorical tropes Goldberg details at length are particularly on display everywhere in Obama’s speeches – the invocations of a nonideological Third Way, the veneration of youth, the insistent demands for the Man of Action (“the time for talk is over,” Obama so loves to say). Ditto for policies and ideas, from substitution of politics for religion, to the coopting of business and labor into an unhealthy symbiosis with government, to the persistent efforts to use government hectoring to create a New Man. But the purpose of these parallels is not to defame the good intentions of supporters of liberal politics or diagnose them as demented perverts, as Kos does, but simply to illustrate that ideas have consequences and these particular ideas are dangerous.

The correcting-the-record part of this is Goldberg’s point that conservatives are forever told to do daily penance (and nothing else) for the bad parts of conservative intellectual or political history, while the progressive movement doesn’t even address its own history. And indeed, the historical treatments of Mussolini, Wilson, Hitler, Sanger and FDR are the best parts of the book (especially the explanations of the roots of European fascism in the thinking of American progressives), careful and detailed in their presentation of both the commonalities and the divergences. Color me doubtful that Kos’ book has any similar historical perspective, especially on where the Taliban’s ideas come from; that I can pretty well guess even without reading the book, from the way he talks about the book and the blurbs from people who purport to have read it. Here’s an excerpt from an email from Kos:

The values and tactics that make Jihadists so despicable are the same values and tactics embraced by our own homegrown fundamentalists — the American Taliban.

That’s why I wrote the book American Taliban: How War, Sex, Sin, and Power Bind Jihadists and the Radical Right.

In the book, I show how similar both the American Taliban and Islamic Jihadists are — from their fetishization of violence and guns, to their love of theocracy, to their hatred of women and gays, to their fear of scientific progress and education, to their weird hangups about sex, to their disdain for popular culture.

That’s right: not only does Kos draw a direct parallel, he argues that conservatives are objectionable for exactly the same reasons as the Taliban. Which is ignorance of recent history so vast it can’t begin to be described.

Or consider the blurbs, from calm and unbiased commentators like John Aravosis and Amanda Marcotte and noted historians like David Coverdale of Whitesnake, lauding among other things the book’s “outrage and profanity”:

“It isn’t possible to understand American politics now without understanding the worldview and arguments of Markos Moulitsas. If you still believe the beltway caricature of the squishy, compromising, conciliatory American left, American Taliban should disabuse you of that notion.”
-Rachel Maddow, The Rachel Maddow Show

“Moulitsas alerts us to a clear and present danger in America: radical zealots who disregard our Constitution and our freedoms and who disguise themselves as patriots.”
-Roger Ebert, film critic

“I can’t remember a time in my life when anti-intellectualism and intolerance-from America’s prejudice against evolutionary science to its reactionary condemnation of a scholarly African American president-has been more pervasive. The time has never been more ripe for a book such as this. American Taliban reminds us that fanaticism isn’t always an import.”
-Brett Gurewitz, Bad Religion

“A thorough compendium of right-wing hypocrisy and selective memory that is either hilarious or tragic, depending on your mood. And it’s all lovingly couched in outrage and profanity.”
-David Cross, I Drink for a Reason

“While not afraid to laugh at the American Taliban, Markos Moulitsas sees the culture warriors for the insidious, dangerous force they present to a free and democratic society.”
-Amanda Marcotte, Executive Editor, Pandagon.net

“Markos writes with a conscience and armed with facts to let you know: no, you’re not crazy. What you suspected all along was true-America’s right wing lives on a myth of self-constructed lies about the Other, with a juvenile disregard for reality, and Obama’s presidency has further radicalized an already radical conservative movement.”
-Janeane Garofalo, comic and actor

“Markos Moulitsas vividly exposes how the radical right and many leaders in the Republican Party, contrary to their incessant claims, actually hate the cherished American values of freedom, justice, tolerance and diversity of thought and expression. With sparkling clarity, American Taliban sounds the alarm on the well-funded, highly-placed authoritarians in this country who work daily to strip away civil liberties and viciously malign gays, women and other groups, and shows why they are treacherous to American democracy. We better listen.”
-Michelangelo Signorile, The Michelangelo Signorile Show, Sirius XM Radio

“American Taliban makes it clear that in a blind taste test the only way you’d be able to tell the difference between the GOP and Taliban philosophies would be beard hair.”
-Sam Seder, author, F.U.B.A.R: America’s Right Wing Nightmare

“Markos Moulitsas exposes Limbaugh, Palin, Beck, O’Reilly, Boehner, Gingrich, the Teabaggers, and the Birthers as mullahs of a modern American Taliban hell-bent on imposing their narrow-minded political jihad on us all.”
-John Aravosis, editor, AMERICAblog.com

“American Taliban shines a blinding light on the conservative right’s dark agenda. Anyone who genuinely cares about America should read this book.”
-David Coverdale, Whitesnake

Nothing in there is anything like Goldberg’s declaration, right up front, that

Now, I am not saying that all liberals are fascists. Nor am I saying that to believe in socialized medicine or smoking bans is evidence of crypto-Nazism. What I am mainly trying to do is to dismantle the granitelike assumption in our political culture that American conservatism is an offshoot or cousin of fascism. Rather, as I will try to show, many of the ideas and impulses that inform what we call liberalism come to us through an intellectual tradition that led directly to fascism. These ideas were embraced by fascism, and remain in important respects fascistic.

As Goldberg writes today of the parallels:

While I do not smear all of my political opponents as monsters (people who say I do this, again, have either not read the book, are too blinkered to understand it, or are lying), it seems pretty clear that’s exactly what Kos sets out to do.

Kos’ book is getting poor reviews from his own side because his thesis is ridiculous, his tone excessive, and his perspective warped. But don’t throw Jonah Goldberg in the same remainder bin, as none of those things is true of his book.

COMMENTS

  • GT350

    ?Moulitsas alerts us to a clear and present danger in America: radical zealots who disregard our Constitution and our freedoms and who disguise themselves as patriots.? -Roger Ebert, film critic

    Hmm. Interesting. I didn’t know Roger Ebert is a lunatic lefty.

    I have stopped going to the movies altogether, since I refuse to patronize the Hollywood Liberalism choir. However, I do enjoy home DVD’s, since the inhome experience on HDTV is as nice as movie theaters used to be. I usually use Siskel & Ebert’s recommendations to find a lesser-known movie out of the back catalogue.

    I should say, I used to Robert Ebert’s recommendation. No more. I’ll throw his opinion on the trash heap, along with any interest in movies starring Michael Douglass, Martin Sheen, George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Sarandon (Slut!*), and so on. I guess I’ll have to limit myself to the John Wayne, Clint Eastwood and Schwarzenneger film catalog.

    ** Susan Sarandon will always be Janet from the Rocky Horror Picture Show. Every time I see her, I yell “Slut!” at the TV screen, out of habit. It drives my wife crazy, since she never saw the movie.

    • Dan McLaughlin

      Ebert is off his rocker.

      • RedBeard

        He has always been a leftie, but only in recent years has he decided to reveal himself so publicly.

        He did suffer a serious stroke (nothing pejorative meant; just a fact) and one must wonder if that could explain some of his more bizarre and hateful behavior of late.

      • http://itsaboutfreedom.proboards.com Conservative Phantom

        and always has been.

        Political/social conservatives and even moderates in the newspaper/film/media industry are extremely rare. Instead, non-critical “thinkers” such as Ebert are the norm.

    • spainishirish

      Among other gems, Ebert claimed Yale and Harvard grad Bush was stupid and divinity school drop out Gore was smart. I know this it typical left-wing trope–our guy is smart, facts be damned (Exhibit A: college transcript-sealed affirmative aciion baby President Barack Obama), but in the case of Gore it was a howler.

      Ebert can be a sharp film critic, but often as not he is simply promoting a director he likes or denigrating one he dislikes. Again, typical left-wing behavior.

      • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

        finally got everything they dreamed of, a far left minority President, control of both chambers, A raving far left San Franciscan in charge of the house, 2 new ultra liberal minority justices, And a huge trillion dollar left wing slush fund for all the favorite lefty cronies.

        And they still are angry, hateful, and unhappy.

        Leftism is not a movement, party, philosophy, or construct. It is a cooperative mental disease.

  • Tbone

    his throat slit on the internet a long time ago.

    Here endeth Tbone’s lesson of the day.

    • http://www.veronicaestrada.com Veronica
  • audax
    • Dan McLaughlin

      I am not a big fan of Levin. He does good work at times for the movement, but I’ve had my share of heartburn from his approach to particular controversies.

      • http://www.2010blog.net jsanzone

        For all his pronouncements on liberty, he’s often the first to attempt to shut out all dissenters from the conservative movement.

        • http://itsaboutfreedom.proboards.com IronDioPriest

          keep you from reading this book. It is very methodically laid out, and gives every conservative who is looking for succinct ways to wage the war against the burgeoning tyranny some great rhetorical ammunition.

          • http://www.scragged.com petrarch

            I mean, no they’re not, but if I didn’t know better I’d say the Mark Levin that wrote the book and the Mark Levin on the radio were two different people. The underlying beliefs are the same but the styles are as different as it is possible for them to be. The book has none of the shrill stridency of the radio show; just the historical facts and crystal-clear logical arguments. I can’t take more than 5 minutes of the tone of the show; I love the book. I agree with those above who say you should read it.

        • audax

          ….of Mark Levin shutting “out dissenters from the conservative movement……and WHO would be a “dissenter” from the “conservative” movement that we should care about?

          • merryj1

            We should care about “shutting out dissenters” from all perspectives — shrugg and walk away if and when their views are abnoxious or a waste of time, but the “shutting out,” “shutting down” and “shutting up” gets plenty of action from the leftists; it’s not acceptable there, either, but they’re not nice like “we” are.

          • audax
          • http://www.2010blog.net jsanzone

            It’s been typically Levin.

          • audax
      • audax

        …piece of crapola book from Markos Moulitsas so I don’t have to. If you liked “Liberal Fascism” you’ll love “Lawyer/Constitutionalst” Levins “Liberty and Tyranny”. IronDioPrest and Petrach make good points about the book below. A Good read AND Levin is on OUR side!

    • RedBeard

      As for his harshness on the radio, perhaps we all need to become more outspoken in similar ways. This is a war for the soul of America, and it will not be won through timidity, or by compromising with evildoers, or by accomodating those who passively foster the destruction of our country through their ignorance and inaction.

  • NeoKong

    He may have been a hot shot a few years ago but his site turned into the looney bin that drove off many of it’s longtime members much like Charles Johnson has done.

    Today he is doing a hit job on Sharon Angle where he calls her stupid and then puts words in her mouth and rants on about something she never said.
    He also posted a diary where he called Sheriff Joe Arpaio a racist and slime.
    I always get a kick out of the hypocrisy of the lefties who go on and on about the anger and hatred on the right while they are calling you every name in the book and lying through their teeth.
    It’s too funny.
    His book will flop.

  • Henry

    She could go through it one page at a time.

    • throwback59

      Perfect bathroom reading.

  • spainishirish

    Goldberg meticulously researched his book. The subtitle, “A Secret History…” is overlooked far too much. Liberal Fascism tried to document parts of our political history that have been ignored, hidden, or glossed over. I think a good example is the one you cited regarding Woodrow Wilson. Most American schoolchildren will read about the Palmer raids, because that fits the left-wing template, but won’t get the details about the other excesses of the Wilson Administration. In addition, the eugenics movement undeniably was an important Progressive pillar but this, too, has not been taught because the template again is dented due to the Left’s refusal to acknowledge its own past racism.

    Some of Goldberg’s conclusions are worthy of debate and may be wrong, but no one can claim they are based on emotion and whim.

    I haven’t read American Taliban, nor do I intend to do so. But I gather it was a typical DailyKos screed presented as a counterpart to Liberal Fascism. I would wager that any left-wing comparisons of the two will fail to mention the undeniable and well-documented criticisms of their curiously revered heroes and causes.

  • aesthete

    I wish it didn’t need to be written, as its truths and logic are so blindingly obvious. What is also obvious is just how much of a publicity ploy this book is: even for leftists, there is no new material here. The “American Taliban” was a popular leftist meme that started up somewhere during Bush’s second term, and ever since then, the merits and demerits of this comparison have been discussed on the blogosphere and the media ad nauseum. It is so tired a clich?, that I wonder if Marcos had the manuscript written up three years ago, and just shipped it off to a publisher to keep his media image afloat. The laziness shows even in the cover of the book: an obvious allusion to Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism”. Problem is, it doesn’t work as a cover: while Goldberg’s cover obviously says that progressivism is, essentially, a bad philosophy dressed up to look and feel better, Marcos’ cover is shoddy allegory. Is the smiley/frowney face meant to indicate that the American right is the nice version of the Taliban? Obviously not, as the book’s references are more direct than that, and the author doesn’t acknowledge any potential “niceness” in his opponents. Why is it sad? Going by Marcos’ premise, wouldn’t it make more sense to make it angry? Yes, but then it would be harder to keep the reference to Goldberg’s book. What is the flag meant to symbolize? Nationalism, while a component of the American right in popular media, isn’t (and never has been) a characteristic, defining or otherwise, of the Taliban.

    In contrast, Goldberg’s book was an academic treatise (despite the inflammatory reviews and responses) detailing the idea exchange and connections between American progressive policies in the 20s and 30s, and the various fascist movements in Europe. These connections are neither novel discoveries nor groundbreaking scholarship in academia, and were rather apparent to contemporaries. Indeed, discussions between Rawls and Haysarni in the 70s, Hayek’s “The Road to Serfdom”, and several other intellectual debates and writings of the past century rather relied on this fact as context. Even now, most “third position” and fascist movements in the US and Europe endorse the welfare state, universal healthcare, and other “progressive” ideas. In a sense, it is like the idea that conservatism and libertarianism in the US had significant amounts of idea exchange from the 50s to the present: while both are different movements, and one can argue the differences between the two, the connection between the movements in the US is undeniable as a matter of historical record. Leftists and their enablers have made it a discussion about whether modern liberals are crypto-fascists, precisely because they’d rather avoid the uncomfortable fact that there was idea exchange between the two movements in a manner similar to that of progressives and communists/socialists from the 30s to the late 80s.

  • http://www.veronicaestrada.com Veronica

    and a great defense of Goldberg’s Liberal Facsism.

    In no way do I intend to sacrilege The Book, but his book is a conversative biblia to me. I carried it everywhere for months. It’s beat up, penciled in, scribbled on by the kids, and there are prayers written on the inside covers because before and after reading it, it so moved me.

    This was the first time this American was shown her country’s history, so honestly and without condescension. Personally, I credit him for helping awaken America. He spoke to the common person, even though he’s an academic. He inspired many, many people.

    If I ever meet him in person, my dingy copy will be the one I ask him to sign. :)

    I’m bothered that Markos’ pathetic write was even compared to Goldberg’s definitive answer to the creeping progressivism that’s plagued our country.

    But .. you know. The differences are so blatant. Pitting them side-by-side helps expose the truth between the right and the warped left.

    Hopefully, this experience will cause the progressives to get off the high horse they’re on.

    Then again, I would much prefer being told the truth — and have the truth exposed — than to keep it hidden.

    Look at what we ended up with.

    btw .. I appreciate your honesty on Levin. In America, we’re free to like and dislike, prefer and disprove of whomever we choose, last I checked.

  • romeg

    This is what passes for intellectualism on the left. He is what he is and they are what they are. Nothing written on this site will change any of that. Just look at who’s blurbing the book: Maddow; Garofolo: The pair that beats a full house. What a pair of whack jobs.

    This is the lunatic fringe left that has come to dominate the thinking and direction of the current administration. Not until the rest of America wakes up to just how unhinged they actually are will anything happen to change that. Perhaps this book will accelerate that process.

  • NotSoBlueStater

    He’s a lifelong hero who was fine as an ideologue, but has become unbearably annoying as a partisan. What I’m learning during research is that liberal scholarship (in this case scholarship that binds Springsteen’s music to progressive ideology) is incredibly thin. The reason for this, I think, is that serious scholarship tends to disprove most of what they hold dear.

    The reason that Kos’ argument falls flat is that the facts don’t back up what he’s saying. It won’t matter to the target audience, though, who find facts inconvenient.

    • Dan McLaughlin

      One of my longer-delayed projects is an explanation of Bruce’s appeal to conservatives despite being himself a flaming lefty. Aside from just the fact that Bruce is awesome, that is.

      Bruce’s politics are really 1930s leftism (without the Stalinism, that is), real Catholic Worker stuff. He’s not a modern progressive at all.

      • aesthete

        than anything else, judging by his written material.

        However, I would say that a lot of the appeal that Springsteen holds for conservatives is based on the mistaken notion that “Born in the USA” was a patriotic anthem, and its subsequent use in the Reagan campaign (to Springsteen’s objections, no less).

        I look forward to reading your explanation of the phenomena, when you’re done with it.

        • NotSoBlueStater

          He went on 60 Minutes and did a really long rant about the standard civil liberties “known facts” so often spouted by the left during the Bush era. He doesn’t seem at all troubled that almost none of it has changed under Obama.

  • jcp370

    Why would someone who spent time & energy on Kos’ ridiculous book – so bad that even leftists pan it – not have bothered to read one of the most popular & best-selling conservative books of all time?

    Perhaps for the same reason Rich Lowry has never read it – according to one of his posts during the ridiculous contretemps over epistemic closure. Let them cling to their guns, religion and copies of Liberty & Tyranny. We of the superior intellects cannot be expected to read such drivel as the commoners enjoy.

    Somehow this makes me think a Republican takeover of Congress won’t make a dang bit of difference. Ruling class & country class. In fact, as I recall, NRO couldn’t lower themselves to comment on Angelo Codevilla’s essay. A reader asked Jonah Goldberg to read/comment on it, and although he said he would, well, you know how it is when you have more scholarly pursuits to engage in….

    • Dan McLaughlin

      I haven’t read Kos’ book either, but he’s the enemy, it’s appropriate to take fire and sword to him at every opportunity.

      Codevilla’s essay was outstanding. I didn’t buy every particular, but his theme was brilliant.

      NR/NRO is a mixed bag depending on who you’re reading, but Jonah is always oustanding, as are Ramesh, Steyn and Geraghty.

  • jcp370

    Unless you count endless references to the cool kids at the The New Republic malt shop as outstanding, I fail to understand this adjective as applied to Ramesh. His accusation that Andy McCarthy’s was “nit-picking” when Andy objected to NR’s endorsement of John McCain during the primary was particularly rich. Ramesh Ponnuru = our side’s Jonathon Chait.

    Nice misdirection on my original point, though. Our so-called betters can’t be bothered reading books popular with the little people even if it might help them understand what the great unwashed might be thinking. And even if these books are short!

    Ruling class & country class, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    • Dan McLaughlin

      is also excellent and consistently worth reading, and shame on me for not mentioning him as well.

  • romeg

    the reaction to it and the entire Left’s outrage at Goldberg and ‘Liberal Fascism’ is a case of methinks they do protest too much. Goldberg, a meticulous researcher and gifted thinker, went out of his way (some say excessively so) to avoid making the kinds of charges that Mikos spews with impunity. And they called Newt a ‘bomb thrower’?

    The fact is that Goldberg was spot on and THEY KNOW IT. They recognize themselves on the pages of ‘Liberal Fascism’ and feel compelled to not only obscure the message but kill the messenger as well and any who might dare take up that banner and carry it forward.

    • spainishirish

      Until Goldberg published Liberal Fascism, I didn’t grasp how gifted a thinker he was. Shame on me.

      As an aside, isn’t it amusing the we concentrate more on Goldberg rather than the vapid drivel we expect from the mentally challenged Left?

  • drillorbedrilled

    Speaking about double-standards, check out the editorial “An inconvenient eco-terrorist” over at:

    www.theclimatereport.com

    .

  • Green_Lantern

    but What A Girl.

  • RedBeard

    …so I’m not terribly surprised that the ever-confused Moulitsas seems unfamiliar with them.

    He would be better off, and more in his element, running some sort of teen angst website, complete with spy photos of Miley Cyrus and ads for pimple cream. In that venue, facts would never be required.

  • jackhammer

    almost every picture of Kos I ever see looks like it is a horribly mean photoshop montage, but most are real photos, and often ones he actually approves and releases.

    If he wasn’t such a self-righteous pr**k I could almost feel sorry for his whole world tumbling down around him in slow motion…..his site traffic is way down, his guy in office, house and senate are disheartening his fans daily, while he stays cheerleader #1 (you gotta at least give Hamsher credit for staying looney left at FDL and not being tingly in the leg anymore for Zero)…his polls have been shown to be worthless, he’ll never see a cent of that money back….assumptions he has been making for years were based on those made up polls.

    He is a lightweight. He is not particularly bright, and like many not particularly bright people who wished they were and are interested in politics, he is incredibly boringly wonky. Some very smart people are very wonky too. The not so smart like Al Gore, Kos and The One, mimic a sense of cerebral thoughtfulness inot their wonky analysis. It is boring, and it is a disguise. I’ll give Maddow Intelligence, and the sort of boring you can only be living in western MA….

    I mean if Kos would just admit he was always a loser with no friends, who wasn?t particularly smart, good looking, athletic or popular in school, not particularly successful in the Army, and Dailykos is the first thing that might put food on the table in a meaningful way….

    He is a loser, it’ll be fun when he completely goes away.

    • Green_Lantern

      I have read this post 10 times now. Spot on.

  • hengistviggen

    THE DISMAL STATE OF AMERICAN POLITICAL DEBATE

    I must confess that I have not read Moulitsas’ book nor have I any particular intention of doing so. While I have grave misgivings about The Tea Party movement, there seems to be little point in drawing far-fetched parallels.

    I do not doubt for a moment that the TPP is awash with poorly-educated bigots and cannon fodder for Mark Meckler’s corporate-inspired political agenda. Indeed, I have crossed swords with many of them on Meckler’s own mega-blog site. Even so, calling them Taliban only blinds us to the nature of the problem.

    To my mind, the TPP is a child of the Information Society – the Internet has made it much easier to articulate and hoodwink the brainless and articulate them as a political force. This only goes to show that more efficient information channels do not strengthen liberal democracy by themselves.

    Perhaps the depressing truth is that the current superficial, hyper-polarised debate is the price Americans are paying for a society in which educational attainment is generally low and where commercial television panders to man’s basest instincts. That is something that ought to stir the conscience of my fellow liberals.

    • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil_truth

      1) This is a conservative and Republican site. Your comment fails to promote either purpose and instead attacks our constituency through a fallacious moral equivalency argument.

      2) It’s not good form to resurrected a thread that’s been dead for four week.

      3) Your post fails to demonstrate even a basis understanding of the conservative mindset – along with the deadly elixir of smugness.

      You’re welcome to observe – and if you’re willing to challenge your biases and presuppositions, you may even come to know truth. Take the time you need to do so.

      But speaking words without wisdom from an elitist vantage point is going to earn you a quick escort out the front door.

      And by the way, I hope you’ve not been banned at RedState previously. That would be a major no-no that could get very awkward for you.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
      • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil_truth
        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • hengistviggen

    My post should read “…easier to hoodwink the brainless and articulate them…” (i.e. remove the first instance of “articulate”).

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