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What’s At Stake In Delaware

For, But Ultimately Against, Storming This Castle

Tomorrow, the voters in seven states and the District of Columbia go to the polls to conclude the primary election season. The most closely-watched race on the ballot will be the race between long-time at-large liberal Republican Congressman Mike Castle and Tea Party-backed conservative insurgent Christine O’Donnell for the Republican nomination for the open Senate seat previously vacated by Joe Biden. Because the election is a special election, the winner of the seat will be seated immediately (as with the Illinois Senate race) and serve until the general election in 2014.

There have been a long series of contested primaries in the GOP this year, albeit not all of which ended up getting resolved at the ballot box. Just in the Senate races we’ve had victories of one sort or another for the conservative insurgents in Florida, Pennsylvania, Utah, Alaska, Colorado, Nevada, and Kentucky, victories for the moderate establishment candidate in Indiana, Arizona, California, Washington, and (likely on Tuesday) New Hampshire, victories for conservative establishment figures in Ohio and Missouri, and less clear-cut ideological battles in Connecticut, Kansas, Arkansas, Louisiana and Wisconsin (New York’s another story entirely). In only one state (Illinois) has a liberal Republican won a race against any sort of opposition, and prominent and experienced liberal Republicans have gotten crushed in Connecticut (Rob Simmons) and California (Tom Campbell). Notably, a few of the moderates who did fend off a conservative challenger (e.g., John McCain and Carly Fiorina) did so with the help of an endorsement by Sarah Palin, the lightning rod of this primary election season.

The Castle-O’Donnell race has become perhaps the most divisive primary of this cycle within the conservative movement, for reasons I’ll explain in a moment. There are a couple of important questions at stake that are worth considering, which really go to the heart of what kind of party the GOP should be; but it’s equally important to recall that we are compelled to face those questions only because of the particular weaknesses of these two candidates and the conditions in Delaware. The result is that there are good arguments on both sides of this one, arguments that have been made eloquently already on the RS front page by people on both sides. As I’ll explain, I come out on the side of backing Castle, but the case for backing O’Donnell can’t be dismissed out of hand and deserves serious reflection.

Let’s start by remembering a crucial principle that I have reiterated at every possible opportunity, and that is almost invariably the first casualty of commentary on primary fights: the individual circumstances of individual races matter. Ideas don’t run for office, people do. The dynamics of different races in different years in different jurisdictions with different electorates are different. Arguments that win in one race may be foolish in another. We all need to put down the rhetorical blunderbusses on this race and look at the facts in making our judgments.

Why Conservatives Should Support Castle

At first glance, the argument for Castle is a microcosm of the argument for moderate or liberal Republicans in a lot of races: he can win and O’Donnell can’t, or at any rate he’s a fairly sure winner and O’Donnell, in a general election, would be a very long shot. This is not, however, simply a repetition of the idea that moderates are always more electable, a view that is often flat wrong (the people who want us to run moderates are often the same ones who criticize the party for not having ideas…but of course, not having ideas is generally the defining characteristic of moderates, see the John McCain and Bob Dole presidential campaigns). It’s not even just the assumption that conservatives can’t ever win in Delaware, although it would be nice for people commenting on this race to understand that Delaware really is a different animal from Colorado or Nevada or Utah or Alaska. As Martin Knight noted:

The race to replace Mike Castle in the House has the Democrat leading either of the two likely Republicans by approximately 16 points. This is the exact same electorate that will be faced with a choice between Coons and O’Donnell in the Senate race – the same electorate that is already showing that they prefer Coons to O’Donnell by 11 points and prefer Castle to Coons by a similar 11 points.

Castle, of course, has won many statewide races in Delaware, and is the easy favorite if he wins the nomination. The last guy more conservative than Castle to win statewide in Delaware was Bill Roth, and Bill Roth was nobody’s idea of a conservative; the last actual conservative elected statewide was Pete du Pont, and that’s more than two decades ago, plus electing a du Pont in Delaware is pretty much the opposite of populism. Even a passing familiarity with the state’s economy and political culture should tell you why a populist candidate like O’Donnell is a tougher sell in Delaware than even in, say, Massachusetts or Connecticut.

And we’re not talking about a generic conservative candidate like O’Donnell, but O’Donnell herself. O’Donnell’s not a veteran state legislator like Scott Brown or Sharron Angle, or a former federal judge like Joe Miller, but a repeat candidate with no real experience at any level of government. I’m all for citizen legislators, but my point is that she really has nothing to fall back on to convince skeptical voters that she’s a serious person. And O’Donnell has had a series of problems the past few weeks, from a trainwreck radio interview where she was caught fibbing about having won some counties against Joe Biden in 2008, to a disastrous effort on her behalf to claim that Castle was gay, to a series of hit pieces on her financial and other woes (Robert Costa at NRO sums up O’Donnell’s troubles, and see also John McCormack at the Weekly Standard). Undoubtedly some of this is dirty pool – the Castle camp’s last-minute FEC complaint smells like this – but we’re 51 days from the general election, and it’s not helpful to have a candidate who is taking on water as rapidly as O’Donnell, and far too late in the day to find a replacement candidate.

The picture, looking at the polls, is predictably grim for O’Donnell; as Neil Stevens has catalogued here and here, polling shows fairly convincingly that O’Donnell isn’t even as popular with Republicans in the general election as Castle, even before you get to independents and Democrats. The PPP poll showing O’Donnell pulling to a within-the-margin-of-error 47-44 lead among likely primary voters may establish that she’s electable in a primary that doesn’t even draw all Republican voters to the polls, but it certainly doesn’t suggest that she’s a strong candidate:

GOP voters are pretty sharply divided about O’Donnell as well. 45% have a favorable opinion of her with 41% seeing her unfavorably. Only 50% of primary voters think she’s fit to hold public office but she does much better than Castle on the ideology front- 53% think she’s about right.

If you believe in supporting the most conservative viable candidate, there’s still a rather persuasive argument that you have to back Castle because O’Donnell’s just not viable, and Castle is – if nothing else – more conservative than Chris Coons. Even some arguments for O’Donnell, like Erick’s view that O’Donnell shouldn’t be a priority to Jeffrey Lord’s argument that losing elections today helps build to victories tomorrow, assume that O’Donnell is basically a sacrificial lamb. Democratic observers seem inclined to give Delaware a pass if Castle wins, but possibly jump into the race if facing O’Donnell.

Should it matter whether the GOP wins this race? There are three critical numbers in the Senate: 41, 51 and 60. You need 51 votes to control the chamber – i.e., chair committees, hire more staff, etc.; the Democrats for the next two years can get this with 50 Senators plus the Vice President – and to pass legislation (including tax and budget bills not subject to filibusters), but you need either 60 votes to override a filibuster or 41 to hold the line on one. Right now, the GOP has 41 Senators, so there’s no margin for error in holding the line, not unless there are defections by Democrats or Joe Lieberman. In a potential lame-duck session in November, there could be 42 or 43 Republicans, if Castle and/or Mark Kirk wins their races. Even if you don’t especially trust either of them, adding those extra votes (ideally both of them) immediately improves Republican chances of staving off a last gasp of legislative mischief before the consequences of this fall’s elections set in. There’s justifiable skepticism about whether Castle would indeed oppose something like cap-and-trade, which he’s long supported, in a lame duck session, but Jim Geraghty, in his defense of Castle’s record, points to a statement given by Castle to Americans For Prosperity in which Castle is (at least for now) promising not to:

Castle recently matched her promise to stop the lame-duck agenda. I asked his staff for a statement from Castle on the lame-duck session and they provided this very strong statement from the congressman: “The only business that should be conducted during a lame-duck session of Congress is keeping the government running until the newly elected legislators are sworn in. I do not agree with those who say this period of time should be used for passing controversial legislation and would not play a role in helping to circumvent the will of American voters.”

I accept that people experienced in dealing with Republicans of Castle’s ilk may not place a lot of value on that promise, but in weighing the likelihoods here, I expect that it’s probable that Castle at least would not break a promise that unambiguous that quickly.

As for what Castle would do in office beyond a lame-duck session, I have no illusions that he’d be in the GOP foxhole more than half the time at best, and far less than that on fights where conservatives are taking on the GOP establishment, as opposed to siding with the powerful corporate interests that hold so much sway in Delaware. Geraghty’s piece is worth reading for the details of how Castle got a career ACU rating of 52 and a rating of 56 in 2009 (up from 28 in 2008, natch), even if you gag on the rather risible suggestion that Castle is any but the most once-in-a-blue-moon accidental kind of friend to pro-lifers. Either way, however, Castle’s status as a fair-weather friend to the GOP and only very rare fellow traveler with conservatives is better than the Democratic candidate, Chris Coons, a man who once wrote a college newspaper article entitled “Chris Coons: The Making of a Bearded Marxist” about his political conversion after a trip to Kenya. Whatever your view of the 2006 Rhode Island Senate primary race between Lincoln Chaffee and Steve Laffey, the outcome from a Coons victory would be similar to the one in that race, ensconsing a liberal Democrat who could well be in office for decades. If you’re serious about beating liberal Democrats and driving their terrible ideas from the public square, wanting to keep Chris Coons out of the Senate ought to be a thing worth doing.

The real rub is the 51st vote to control the chamber and pass a budget. It’s unlikely that the GOP will get close to needing a 41st vote to hold filibusters, or having a 60th vote to break them without bipartisan support, between this November and the 2014 election, when Castle’s term would be up. Moreover, if (as many of us now expect) the GOP gains control of the House this fall, there will be little threat in 2011-12 that the Senate will be voting on a whole lot of liberal legislation, and thus few “bipartisan compromises” on which a Castle defection might be damaging. But with GOP gains in the Senate looking like a good shot at +7 or +8 and a non-trivial chance at the +10 needed to swing the chamber, the decision on whether to throw away the Delaware seat could be a consequential one. And I trust that, at least between now and 2012 (when the GOP could conceivably take the White House, but could also get more reinforcements in the Senate), Castle won’t have any reason to bolt the party Jim Jeffords-style, not having done so yet (not that I’d put it past him once Republicans are governing again).

There’s also a benefit to demoralizing and defunding the opposition. The Democrats, lacking control of the Senate, will lose the jobs of a lot of staffers; they’ll lose access to corporate and lobbying money that (as we all know in the real world) flows to the party in power. They’ll lose the ability to recruit candidates on the promise of joining the majority (recall that in both 2012 and 2014 the Democrats will be defending twice as many Senate seats as the GOP, so unless we see a repeat of the 2006 and 2008 Democratic waves, it’s not likely they’ll gain seats and highly likely they’ll lose more). The GOP will gain these things. If you think that shifting more power and advantage to the GOP over the Democrats is a good thing, you would presumably support Mike Castle.

Now, if you assume GOP control of the House and Democratic control of the White House, control of the Senate is not quite as urgent in other ways; the GOP has a firm foothold in the legislative process and a platform from which to launch oversight investigations, etc. But not every issue goes through the House; the Senate has unique jurisdiction over matters like treaties and, of crucial importance, judicial nominees, and the agenda-setting power of a majority in those areas can be profound. We know from experience, as well, that even liberal Republicans like Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins and (once upon a time) Arlen Specter can be counted on to take the conservative side in some fights, witness the confirmations of Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito (by contrast, liberal Republicans will never be useful in a fight against any but the worst judicial nominees from the Democratic side; that’s life).

All of this assumes that conservatives, having no realistic alternative but to work within the Republican party, despite not having undisputed control of the party, have a stake in the party’s electoral success, and that gaining control of the Senate by means of Mike Castle would not hamper either the party’s success or the movement’s power within it. Which leads us to…

Why Some Conservatives Have Good Reasons For Supporting O’Donnell

The fact that there are good and practical arguments – with which I largely, if reluctantly, agree – for supporting Castle does not mean the arguments to support O’Donnell are frivolous or unworthy of serious consideration.

Erick put it bluntly:

I’d rather see the Democrat get elected than see Mike Castle get elected. Seriously, I know many of you disagree with me, but if the majority depends on Mike Castle, to hell with the majority.

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I would rather 50 seats without Mike Castle than 51 seats with Mike Castle. The push to support Mike Castle by “conservative” groups, pundits, and others says more about the selling out of the conservative movement to the GOP than anything else. It happened in the Bush years and many conservatives were so thoroughly co-opted by the GOP Establishment they might as well be cut off from the conservative movement permanently.

Here’s the point of departure: there is a serious argument, and one I have particularly credited in races like the Pennsylvania and Florida Senate races, that even if they’re electable, Republicans can’t afford to elect big-government moderates and liberals, because both as a matter of philosophical conservatism and, ultimately, long-term political self-interest, the GOP can’t afford to be in a position (as it was by 2008) where voters feel they simply can’t tell the difference between the two parties in terms of spending, regulation and the size of government. The argument goes that guys like Castle will badly dilute the GOP brand every time they either (1) give “bipartisan” cover to some Democratic nonsense or, worse yet, (2) water down the GOP’s own agenda as a condition for getting it passed. This is an especially big problem when you’re dealing with the last vote in a majority. And as a practical matter, because Castle knows that the likely outcome of a primary challenge to him (assuming he intends to serve more than a single term, which is debatable) is a Democratic victory, he’ll actually be less persuadable by grassroots pressure from the Right than a guy like Ben Nelson, who will vote for Democratic control of the chamber but needs to win Republican-leaning independents in Nebraska to keep his job. Hogan adds detail to the behind-the-scenes dynamic of adding a guy to the caucus who is neither conservative nor trustworthy:

Liberal and establishment Republicans have corrupted the entire Republican Conference in the Senate. Other than a very few stalwarts, most Republican Senators (whether they are supposedly “moderate” or “conservative”) simply do not IN ANY WAY stand for the principle of limited government – they like to spend money, they want to be seen as “reasonable” more than principled, and they get together in their little Senate club and drench themselves in the kool-aid of “getting things done” for the American people (which is code for sticking it to the people). That remains true today. They look at the Tea Party movement and what is happening in primaries around the country with dismay and disdain. They want it to go away.

Adding Mike Castle, a veteran liberal Republican, to the Senate would add another voice to the room of the need to moderate our tone. He would be a voice for compromise and reaching across the aisle. He would give lip-service about voting to repeal Obamacare, while at the same time demanding that Republicans “replace” it with something reasonable, which would undoubtedly be God-awful policy. He would be a poison in meetings of Republican Senators, where they like to talk themselves into nonsensical positions based on some mix of polling, overpriced consultants and most of all, stupid group-think.

The related argument is, basically, that Mitch McConnell and his leadership team simply aren’t ready yet to absorb the full lesson of the 2006 and 2008 elections and the Tea Party movement; that while John Boehner may be ready to take a harder line on spending and size of government in the House, giving McConnell the majority back – with all its perquisites – would reward him before he’s learned any lesson.

These are serious points, but I think ultimately they misread the times and the extent to which different strategies are needed in different situations. Republicans in 2002-06 grew a majority, it is true, that depended on way too many people who were not small-government conservatives. But we need to recall three things. One, the war was such a dominant issue in those years that the grassroots of the party simply wasn’t looking after these issues (and that includes bloggers like me, I admit). Two, and relatedly, we had leadership from the White House that de-prioritized and at times affirmatively trashed small government. Bush wasn’t nearly as bad as Obama, and the flaws in his record on spending and regulation are sometimes exaggerated, but there’s no serious argument that he was a small-government guy, and we knew that even before he began running in 1999. And three, we had a lot of misalignment, i.e., non-conservatives elected in jurisdictions where a conservative should have a fighting chance. We’re at work fixing that problem in places far more hospitable to conservatives than Delaware.

When we turn to 2009-10, Republicans have needed, as an outnumbered and beleaguered minority facing an unprecedented effort to permanently expand the federal government, to insist on a greater level than before of party discipline and ideological purity so as to get the message out to a frustrated public that both sides were not equally guilty of the things that have so inflamed public sentiment about an out of control government. My own guess is that a guy like Castle doubled his ACU rating from 2008 to 2009 not because he was thinking about an election before the same voters who have been electing him for years, but because he saw the ground shift to the point where even he had to vote against some really alarming things, like the Obamacare and stimulus bills.

But these things will not always be the case. The goal of anyone who cares about conservative ideas becoming public policy should be to build a working majority. A working majority needs a core, and we’ve been building that in the many states where a conservative can get elected. But it can also make use of marginal members who don’t vote with the core all that much, but who win elections that would otherwise be won by determined opponents. In the long run, I’d rather have a Senate with 45 or 51 conservatives and 10 moderate/liberal Republicans than a Senate in which we can only win those elections a conservative can win, a Senate in which we give ourselves no margin for error in having the votes to make policy (consider how few conservatives you can think of who never dissent from the pure conservative position on any issue). That may be a frustratingly incomplete result, but frustratingly incomplete results are what the Senate was designed for. A movement serious about governing must try to win the marginal districts like Delaware, even if that means electing marginal candidates.

As for the concern about McConnell, I fear that some of the critics are letting their focus on McConnell distract them from what’s really going on. The GOP will return just 32 incumbents (including Scott Brown) in 2011, so if a majority is possible it will consist of an unprecedented 19 freshman Senators, many of them ready and able to join the “blow stuff up” caucus of Senators like Jim DeMint and Tom Coburn who are serious about fighting tooth and nail against government excess. You don’t need that many of those people in the Senate to make a lot of havoc. Also, McConnell’s close associates among the moderates in leadership have been systematically eliminated – you can bet that we’re going to have a leadership team that has more voices at the table for conservatism in 2011, given the number of new Senators who will have overcome determined opposition by the NRSC and the leadership to win election, and those people will have a very powerful argument that if they’re ignored, yet more heads will roll in future primaries in states more conservative than Delaware. Those new conservative Senators will also bring to town a lot more new conservative staffers. Majority leaders by nature have no choice but to ride the tiger of their own caucus, and while a caucus with Castle, Kirk, Snowe and Collins will pull McConnell to the left, he’ll have an awful lot more people pulling him to the right no matter what his own inclinations.

Then there’s the strategic argument, which is basically that leaving the Democrats with an impotent majority in the Senate is better than having a Congress fully under GOP control, because Obama will be able to repeat Bill Clinton’s record of demonizing the GOP’s obstructionism. I hear this, but I don’t buy it. One, the public will already know that Obama is engaging in knock-down-drag-out budget fights with John Boehner and the House GOP; Obama’s preparing the ground for that already. Two, the public isn’t always that attentive; voters seemed barely to notice in 2008 that the Democrats were already running both Houses of Congress. Three, Obama’s not Bill Clinton. Clinton had failed to do half as much damage to small government in his first two years in office, and had a lot more skill and experience in presenting himself as a man capable of learning lessons about the size of government. Clinton could plausibly portray himself as a reasonable, compromising fellow spurned by extremist Republicans because he was actually, if grudgingly, signing on to some significant conservative policy priorities, notably welfare reform. Obama will do nothing of the sort. And as I said before, in terms of short-term electoral strategy, I think the GOP is better served institutionally by defeating the Democrats, demoralizing them and stripping their power base than by banking on winning the rest of the majority later.

Erick has suggested another concern whispered of in Delaware circles, that “[i]f Mike Castle becomes the next United States Senator from Delaware he is going to get sworn in, serve a bit, then become a Democrat, resign, and let Beau Biden get an appointment.” This may sound less fanciful if you’ve noticed three things: one, that when Castle finished his term as Governor of Delaware he basically cut a deal where he’d run for Congress and the state’s Democratic Congressman, Tom Carper, would run for Castle’s job; two, that Castle never tried to run against Joe Biden; and three, that Castle’s allies in the Delaware GOP haven’t run a candidate against Beau Biden for the State Attorney General job.

All that said, it seems to me much more likely, given how Castle and Delaware politics work, that what would actually happen is that the 71 year old Castle serves out his four years and then steps aside, at the point at which Biden would be deemed ready to run after four years as AG. If the idea is that Castle is going to all this trouble to keep the seat warm for the Bidens as part of a clubby backroom deal, it doesn’t make much sense; Biden could have been the nominee this year if he’d wanted to, or the incumbent Ted Kaufman – a Biden crony – could have run again.

Then there’s Jeff Lord’s argument that essentially casts O’Donnell’s race as a Goldwater-style sowing of the seeds for future conservative victories in Delaware. The problem with this idea is pretty much the same as the problem with arguing for a moderate presidential nominee for the GOP after the debacle of 2008: it’s already been done. O’Donnell ran for the Senate just two years ago, and got 35% of the vote. Conservatives have had our say already in Delaware, and hopefully someday we’ll find another great candidate who can try again there, as Pete du Pont did. Supporting Castle can itself be reconsidered under the conditions of 2014. But losing with O’Donnell will accomplish nothing.

I know part of this whole thing is about sending an intraparty message that guys like Castle aren’t acceptable, but have we somehow not sent that message already by knocking off Bob Bennett, Lisa Murkowski, Charlie Crist, Arlen Specter, Trey Grayson, Sue Lowden, and Jane Norton?

At the end of the day, yes: Mike Castle would be a weak, unreliable Senator who will do little for the conservative movement, and perhaps marginally weaken the movement within the GOP. But a Castle victory will also deal a blow to the movement’s bitter enemies in the Democratic party, whereas an O’Donnell win is highly likely to increase the power of the Democrats. You want to choose likely defeat with a conservative, do what I’m doing and vote for David Malpass in New York tomorrow. But while there are real and serious arguments on both sides, I can’t let an opportunity to defeat the Democrats and all they stand for pass by, not this year. If I was in Delaware, I’d vote for Castle.

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  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    is that I would much rather have Rob Portman operating in the majority than the minority, and thus I hope Castle wins the primary so we have a better shot at gaining the majority.

    • http://www.2010blog.net jsanzone

      We need to consider the implications this has for articulate conservatives competing in winnable races. O’Donnell is neither, and nominating her could really blunt opportunities for conservatives like Rand Paul and Joe Miller.

  • texicanstar

    Still shilling for the Ruling Class are ye…can’t stand that a conservative can win in DE. Now how many states did Reagan win the last time…hmmm 49.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      Yeah, if Dan’s going to make a good faith effort to illustrate the strengths of both sides, then if you’re going to comment you are obligated to make a good faith effort to comment intelligently.

      But you’re just trolling so you’re gone.

      • chipbennett

        I am SO tired of the canard that because we have reasonable arguments in favor of Castle vs. O’Donnell, that we must be part of the “ruling class” or “party apparatchik”.

        Such specious arguments really aren’t helpful for discourse.

  • indylawyer

    Question though, while I haven’t read everything on this blog about the race, most of the debate seems to be assuming that nominating O’Donnell makes it very likely or certain that Coons wins in November. Does anyone think O’Donnell would have better than 1 in 4 odds of beating Coons? If so, why?

    From here she looks like a very dubious candidate for such a high office, especially after reading her complaint against ISI. I’d probably vote for her, but I’d have to be holding my nose to do it.

    • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

      …no matter how much at length or often it’s discussed…that she can’t win in the general.

    • SIConservative

      I think that if people agreed that she would have at least a one in four chance of winning, the overwhelming majority of people here would be fighting for her. The real question is whether she’d even have a one in four chance of winning. To this point, I’ve seen two answers to this question: no and maybe. The days after the primary will be telling. For starters, once the voting is done Republicans have to just sit tight and wait for some polling. There’s nothing to be gained by saying that she can’t win before we see any polling. Similarly, if the post-primary polling says that she can’t win, there’s no point in deluding ourselves into thinking she can.

  • Aaron Gardner

    We disagree on the outcome, but you are made of class.

    • Dan McLaughlin

      I’ve been trying with mixed success to keep us all from killing each other over this race.

      • rdelbov

        I agree 100% with on you on this post.

        I am not sure I can add anything to it.

        My only comment is that as I spoke highly of Jane Norton and still speak highly of Kelly Ayotte-conservatives can disagree. We can also disagree in a pleasant respectful way.

  • streiff

    is that he might be the 10th Senate pickup this cycle. If we had a Senate majority dependent on Castle, Snowe, Collins, Brown, and a few others we would have all the responsibility that accrues from owning one of the branches of government — I’m assuming we will take the House — and no power to do anything because an already wobbly McConnell would not have a working majority.

    Personally I’d rather punt the DE seat… or see our version of Jim Traficant win… and face the next two years with 47 or so seats than see us dependent upon Castle to govern.

    • jyalai

      When you look at Bush’s 8 years, he is blamed for all sorts of fiscal irresponsibility. However, a closer look at how bills passed congress during his time would demonstrate that conservatives were never in control of congress. We continually had a cabal of Republican senators that forced the Republican leadership to compromise on almost everything.

      Snowe, Collins, Specter, Jeffords, et al were continually undermining any conservative efforts. It seems that whenever a good conservative bill would present itself enough senators were available to water it down. If it wasn’t one of the above mentioned, then an otherwise conservative senator would throw their hat into the ring to tip the scales. McCain, Hatch, Graham, or whoever wasn’t getting bad press at the time.

      Then in 2006, Republicans all of a sudden became the owners of all fiscal irresponsibility in the government.

      • Dan McLaughlin

        as Erick has pointed out, a lot of the more conservative-in-broad-outlines Senators like McConnell and Hatch were also part of the problem.

      • aesthete

        heaped on him regarding domestic issues, particularly when it comes to his signature initiatives (NCLB and Medicare expansion being the large ones). There were several Senators who called themselves conservative, like Frist and DeLay, who played a role in the GOP’s disastrous domestic agenda, as well.

        It is eminently arguable that Bush’s two terms were worse for fiscal conservatives than anyone since LBJ, and though the comparison with him and LBJ on foreign policy is somewhat tired (I think Truman fits better), it is also somewhat apt.

        • Tbone

          But, it was his Party that get sending the crap up.

          • JSobieski

            NCLB and prescription drugs were programs that he pushed through. If a President Gore had presented those issues, the Congress would have voted them down.

          • Dan McLaughlin

            Granted, there are fair arguments about NCLB, but the prescription drug bill’s entire reason for passage was that Bush ran on it in 2000.

          • jyalai

            There are probably other items Bush pushed that we could have done without. I am not removing blame from Bush where he deserves it. My point was that conservativeRepublicans did not have control of Congress, especially in the Senate. Republicans compromised over and over with the Democrats, then recieved the blame from the failures those compromises created.

            I remember when many conservatives were pushing for Bush to get rid of the Department of Education when he was campaigning in 2000. He immediately turned around and pushed NCLB. I knew at that point it was not going to be a happy eight years. But happiness is relative. I now look at those eight years from where I am today and realize I was way happier than I am now.

          • aesthete

            And as I previously noted, several of the large budget items over the years have been items that he personally pushed for in his campaign and later as president. It’s exactly like liberals who say that Obama really is a moderate/liberal at heart, it’s just those darned Senators sending him liberal/moderate bills to sign!

  • http://pragmaticpachyderm.blogspot.com texasproud

    This is a good article and it pretty accurately sums up my opinion. I am big on being practical and the logic used sums exactly what I have been trying to say for some time though people seem to blindly think Delaware is like Oklahoma and that O’Donnell is the grand strong conservative advocate both personally and professionally which is patently false. I have plenty of reasons for that, but to save people time, if you want to read it, you can see it on my blog, http://practicalgopvoter.blogspot.com/2010/09/gop-voters-have-to-share-blame-too.html.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    A remakably thorough, balanced presentation of the positions of both sides and analysis of the arguments.

    However, what may get lost in the turmoil, is that the most important outcome of your article reflects the fact that come Wednesday morning, we all have to pull together to win in November regardless of whether our guy wins or not.

    Thus perhaps the most important thing then that you have done with this article is to validate the views of conservatives on both sides and thus provide a basis for reconciliation after the vote – because while both sides have strong arguments, we know that only one candidate can go on to the general.

    And if we don’t unify behind Republican candidates, we lose regardless – and our country loses too.

    • eburke
    • jomo2009

      to both those points.

    • furious

      …agreed for the sake of argument, that Cong. Castle leaves a bad “Gang-
      of-14″ sytle aftertaste; however…

      …worse than Sen. Majority Leader Schumer (sp?), Judiciary Chairman Leahy and whoever is next-in-line to assume Chris Dodd’s gavel at Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs? Worse than a guaranteed lame-duck session stampede? Worse than Stimulus III? Nuh-uh.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    nt

  • renny

    The majority gets the leadership roles, the chairs, and the staffs. If Reid is righteously defeated but the Dems. still hold the Sen., we are likely to get Chucky Cheese Schumer, prob. a WORSE choice than Reid, who at least once came from a cons. state.
    Schumer sponsored the anti-1st Amendment Disclose Act, is from the state in the worst shape after CA where no fiscal responsibility has ever been considered by either party, and he would lead the Sen. into a greater lefty quagmire than even Reid could conceive.
    If Castle can win, he is the candidate to promote, despite whatever impure cons. creds he has racked up.
    As a frosh Sen., a Castle might well discover among Angles, Toomeys, Pauls, Rubios,, et. al. with DeMint and Sessions already in place, that he is not as lefty whacko as his Cong. career might indicate.
    Sometimes, we have to do what is DO-ABLE.

  • http://www.2010blog.net jsanzone

    Both sides in this argument have their legitimate points, and you manage to navigate all the nuances and interests involved, arriving at (what I think is) an appropriate conclusion: the smart vote would be cast for Mike Castle, not because he’s everything we want in a conservative, but because his general election victory is a vehicle for a Republican majority. O’Donnell’s nomination would accomplish nothing in the way of advancing conservatism in Delaware, just as her two previous races accomplished nothing.

    Great post.

  • zollistar

    That said, I will merely make this observation:

    Many times in my life — and not just in politics — I have (and have seen others) compromise a principle either to: (a) to get along; and/or (b) for an apparent, near-term advantage to be improved and/or made better at a later date.

    What I have learned: In the long-term, it almost never worked.

    A price was paid in both in the short term AND in the long.

    Just an observation….

    • tempest

      regarding compromising principles. What is to be gained by compromising on principle?

      I think you are right that any gain would be near-term in nature. I equate it to public company making bad long-term business decisions for a short-term gain in meeting quarterly earnings estimates without regard to the long-term consequences to the business.

      What is unclear is the cost of compromising your one’s principles. If you compromise now, what is to keep you from compromising in the future? If you do compromise, then aren’t you just as guilty as the politician who is castigated for compromising his/her vote? How can one strive for Conservative ideals and circumvent those ideals at the very same time?

      Lastly isn’t the true cost of a Mike Castle nomination that the good people of Delaware will NOT be offered a clear choice between Liberal and Conservative policies?

      In this year of Conservative ascendency, the people of Delaware have the opportunity of a lifetime to advance Conservatism. If they nominate a liberal Republican?they will have missed an opportunity to shift the political winds of Delaware…and that would be a crying shame.

      • Kyle-MI

        My opinion is that we can gain slight control this election and expand it (with many more conservatives) in 2012.

      • davesinsanantonio

        compromised principles. Any supposed gain is short term and ephemeral in comparison. It takes a great deal if time and effort to get back to solid principles. However, that is what repentance is all about. That is what forgiveness is all about.
        We all make mistakes, and we all need repentance of one sort or another. So, we must stand on principle, and climb back up as quickly as possible whenever we falter or fall.
        If we willingly give up principle for something less, we end up with something less. However, sometimes others (voters, in this case) can make it so that the decision is not ours. Whenever that happens, we must have stood on principle before and during the election, and then continue to espouse those principles afterward. This will give the voters the opportunity to repent in the next election. But, if we end up embracing or excusing the compromise, well, then, what real choice do we give those voters? Where do they then turn for real principles? We must do all we can, and keep doing it, even when we lose in the short term, in order to have the possibility of ever winning again in the long term. If we compromise our principles in the short term we will always lose in the long term.

  • norfolker

    to the movement?s bitter enemies in the Democratic party.

    I want to differ here. It would be a blow to Sarah Palin and the Tea Party movement. Mainstream media will point out this every day till November and demoralized Tea Partiers will not participate. The professional right will be celebrating no victory.

    All the negative coverage by the Professional Right against O’Donnell will help the left to show that the Right is against women.

    End of the day there would be a blow to Republican party.

    • Dan McLaughlin

      Both Palin and the Tea Parties have already won several rounds this cycle and already lost a few others (and in some races, like CA-SEN and AZ-SEN they’ve been on opposite sides). This is but one battlefield. Any Tea Partier who stays home after all those wins because of one defeat is someone we can’t count on anyway.

      Against women? What about Angle, Haley, Martinez, Ayotte, Fiorina, McMahon, Whitman…we’re running plenty of women in high-profile races.

      • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

        with respect to “Palin and the Tea Parties.” As if to say, they got their booty, we got our Republican party out of the ditch, now they can run along.

        If “someone you can count on” is the gold standard, Mike Castle flunks miserably.

        The Tea Party didn’t pull the collective Republican head of it’s arse only to be told to go home and leave driver’s seat to te professional political class, who, to paraphrase Barack Obama “got the party where it is in the first place.”

        It’s not a reflection on the Tea Party if it gets hijacked by establishment untouchables who seem more bent on reconstituting the Mitch McConnell Kitchen Caibinet than rolling back the last two years of unmitigated disaster, and then the Tea Party again rebels.

  • redcometchar2010

    Really I couldn’t. That was the best post encapsulating why I am supporting Castle. Well done.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    But I will file an appeal (and tread lightly because you are an ex-Rocklander);

    - I don’t care for “deathbed conversions”. Castle has some old baggage which foretells he may not be sincere in his recent positions. I could be wrong- but happen to be a very big “past is prologue” kinda guy. Being principled to me means saying I love you and meaning it. Always. Not just when you are within earshot of the one you love.

    - I don’t believe this election will have any precedent, just like this current government does not have any precedent. So throw out the old molds, polling and stereotypes. This November will be historic.

    - Is O’Donnell or Castle the “ideal” candidate? Well, that all depends on how you define the word ideal. Frankly, I would vote for an emu, if it would be a sincere, reliable, honest vote on the issues most important to a majority of the electorate. I have had enough of incumbents and various career politicians on both sides who make dishonest promises or more closely represent the other parties agenda.

    - If Castle’s views are closer to the Democrat Party then he should join them. He would still vote the same way and at least he wouldn’t undermine our principals or obfuscate the Republican message.

    Oh whatever. May the best emu win.

    • Dan McLaughlin

      1. I don’t think Castle’s converted on any issues, he’s just promised not to support the use of one particular procedural gimmick.

      2. Ignoring the polls did not turn out to be a winning strategy in 2006 or 2008.

      • Marcus_Traianus

        NTU Rating = C (up from a D in 2008)

        Club for Growth = 39.13

        ACU= 28%

        We knew he was not a fiscal conservative but on spending and taxation he matches the Democrats toe-to-toe.. Is this the reputation our party wants to promote? Will the new ?middle? as quoted below destroy our party?s image- again? What do we stand for- what Mike Castle and other ?Democrat?s-Lite? want or what the American people want; fiscal conservatism, lower taxes, responsible, smaller government?

        Oh and this from his website (courtesy of CSM);

        Much has been made of the conservative “tea partyers” who look poised to send a posse of new senators to Washington ? starting with Joe Miller of Alaska, Rand Paul of Kentucky, and Mike Lee of Utah. Ken Buck of Colorado also has an excellent shot at winning, and Sharron Angle remains competitive against Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid.

        But the middle isn?t hollowing out. In fact, the ranks of Republican Senate centrists could grow as a result of November?s midterm election, following on the heels of Republican Scott Brown?s improbable election to the Senate from Massachusetts last January.

        Nuf? said.

  • eburke

    the calm and reasoned manner in which you represented both avenues of thought.

    Most of all, I appreciated that you called Castle what he is, which is a liberal. That means that you understand what you’re advocating with both eyes wide-open, and have made a determination that the positives outweigh the negatives.

    While I arrive at a different conclusion, I appreciate that your analysis fairly presented the warts on both sides of this race. Having done that, we can agree to diagree reasonably, and move forward on Wednesday getting whoever wins elected to the Senate.

    Thanks for taking the time to lay all this out in the manner in which you did.

  • smitch61

    I do not live in Delaware, but I would vote for Christine if I did. Mike Castle is no different than a democrat and is part of the problem. Good argument on both sides. Personally for me I would be thrilled to have Castle the hell out of there even if the democrat wins the general. I know what the democrat party is, that is why I am not a member. What they do with their party is up to them. I am looking forward to weeding out the RINOS regardless how much time it takes.

    • chamberD

      Really?

      Dan, you’re really making a case for a pro-abortion, pseudo-conservative candidate? These are the people who have sold conservatives down the river consistently (and our COUNTRY along with us) over the past 30 years.

      This is the way I see it — and call me any name you like, makes no difference to me — a nation, much less a man, has any claim to call itself civilized that condones the butchery of an innocent unborn child for mere convenience and the facilitation of sexual hedonism. Such an attitude springs from a wicked heart and corrupted reason, so corrupted that all other judgments of such a person must be suspect; and indeed, going by the record of Castle, we can see how easily he’s swayed to the progressive agenda. He is a man without a spine and without a moral core. He does not deserve to represent DE.

      • Dan McLaughlin

        there are jurisdictions where it’s very hard to win with pro-life candidates. I don’t think we should cede efforts to win elections in those places.

        This is NOT a diary explaining why Mike Castle is a good guy, a good Republican or a good conservative. He’s none of those things. But politics is full of necessary evils.

        • chamberD

          to get elected?

          We do what we know is wrong to keep power?

          So, the good people of Delaware are not going to be represented. You advocate instead giving the voters an echo and not a choice?

          All because the polls say that Delaware is a state full of reprobates and moral pygmies (pro-abortion people).

          I say, show the reprobates and moral pygmies — the ones who call me and people like me bigots — what virtue looks like. Prick their consciences, if you have any concern for them at all except as useful tools to promote REPUBLICAN victories. Far more is at stake here than the winning of elections, unless, of course, you too have bought into the postmodern worldview.

          As fas as I’m concerned, the country is going to hell in a handbasket because too many of its people are cowards who have lost their moral compass; it’s so much easier to go with the flow and believe the lies spewing from public edu, the congress, the courts — all our institutions that were originally established to promote and secure the moral and religious citizenry capable of maintaining our fragile republic. (See John Adams.) But now these same institutions mock and trample our Constitution underfoot, subvert justice, and revel in indecency and corruption.

          Mike Castle is a career politician. He’s 71 years old, He’s a liberal — get rid of him. At least if DE is going to vote liberal, let them do it on the Democrat’s dime.

          It’s time to purge the Republican Party of those people who will not OPPOSE liberalism. The American people deserve to have a choice. With liberal Republicans running the party, that can never happen.

          • aesthete

            We pull our country and our government’s finances from the brink, and release the stranglehold that government has on our lives and finances, before tackling the enormous venture that is getting rid of Roe vs Wade.

            Which is, incidentally, what our Founding Fathers did vis a vis slavery. It’s not easy to say that, and if I could ban abortion today, I would, but this is the only practical solution for the time being.

          • Dan McLaughlin

            Take the victories within your reach. Keep moving forward.

          • chamberD

            Republican is not — IMHO — a move forward. It is not a victory, unless you’re on the opposing side, in which case you’re happy as a clam to have another sycophant on board.

            You’re talking strategy here at the expense of principle. You know what Castle is. Yet instead of giving him what he deserves, which is a vote of no confidence, for ‘pragmatic’ reasons you’re willing to COMPROMISE. Motivated by fear, that’s all I can see. Just exactly where are the balls in this party???

            Compromise is the supreme virtue of the losing party. Republicans win the medal for it.

            And I’m sick of it. It’s enough to make you want to get behind a third party. The more I read of pragmatism as a guideline for voting, the more I know this party is dead. Where, oh where, are the fighters? Is it any wonder we have idiots like McCain walking across the aisle to help the dems destroy us????

          • cordpt

            say, a conservative who’s ethically challenged as an individual, a pathological liar or something, or someone who claims to be a conservative in daylight while at the same time claims that conservative principles lead to gender discrimination, a move forward?

          • chamberD

            Are you sure you really want to go there, cordpt?

            A pro-abortion candidate — who uses his office to further the continuance of the barbarism of butchering the unborn is YOUR idea of an ethical candidate?

            I’ll trade O’Donnell’s lapses for Castles any day.

          • http://practicalgopvoter.blogspot.com/ texasproud

            O’Donnell is a severely flawed candidate who has lost multiple races by landslide margins for a reason. The choice is not O’Donnell or Castle but Castle and Coons. If or when the democrats push through card check or another large bailout for a union like the Teamsters pension that Senator Casey is pushing, and Coons is the 60th vote for cloture, you will know that YOU are just as responsible for that legislation as Coons because of who you voted for in the primary

          • cordpt

            I never claimed Castle was ethical or a conservative. So how could he be an unethical, bad conservative?

            My question was very direct. Are you going to answer it directly or not?

            Is electing a bad conservative a move forward or not? Yes or no question.

          • cordpt

            Formidable analogy.

      • Kyle-MI

        It is not just Castle who is pro-abortion. The majority of DE voters are pro-abortion. I don’t think we can win DE with a pro-life candidate, although I wish we could. The choice is either a pro-abortion Dem or a pro-abortion Rep. A pro-abortion Rep at least gives the GOP control of the Senate and puts pressure on Obama is nominate less radically liberal judges. GOP control also gives us better chances to get pro-life language into bills. It is not certainty but it is better than what we have with the Dems in control. Keep in mind that the election of Sen. Brown almost killed Obamacare.

    • zollistar

      This vote — and others in other districts– may be the ones that begin to do that crucial “weeding”.

      In the long run, “weeding the garden” is our best chance for a return — which will take time — to limited, constitutional government.

      Let’s start tomorrow.

      • Achance

        but you wouldn’t know that around here.

        • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

          …when it’s so much more fun to focus on taking out other players.

          (For those who need translation: this is a second to Art’s comment.)

          • Achance
          • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

            …still, “own goals” is an apt concept.

  • cbc80

    I’d rather lose with ODonnell then win with a leftist like Castle. Then go at them again in 4 years,

    And 51 doesn’t depend on Delaware. It depends on WVU…and Wisc…and Calif…and Washington.

    I just ain’t buying what you’re selling.

    • Achance
      • cbc80

        I find your view the dumb one. But so be it.

        I want all the loons in our party out.

        I want to see the bopsi twins in Maine out! A want to be rid of Goober in SC. And if Brown votes again like he did on the financial reform bid. I want to see a conservative primary challenge for him in 2 years.

        I’ve already call my Senate candidates office (Kirk) and said I support him as long as he sticks to conservative principles. His line about Cap and Tax is he thought it was best for his district…but now not best for Illinois. Lame…but we’ll see what he does.

        If he turns out to be another Grahmn or Snowe…I’ll be very involved in replacing him next time.

        • Achance

          in the Party. Remember, when the enemy is in range, so are you.

          • cbc80

            …it doesn’t matter My future in the party is secure. We’ve had a whole year’s worth of an election cycle that shows that the lefties in the party are the ones on the endangered species list.

          • Achance
          • cbc80

            I’ve been a voting conservative since the Nixon administration. What were you doing back then?

          • cordpt

            n/t

          • cbc80

            There was no primary his 2nd term

          • cordpt

            John Ashbrook run as the conservative candidate in the Republican Primary. John G. Schmitz run as a conservative candidate in the general election.

            Anyway, Nixon certainly wasn’t a conservative (except maybe one of those self-anointed conservatives like Tom Delay, Bob Ney, and others), so anyone who has voted for Nixon and his communist price-controls hasn’t voted conservative since Nixon.

          • cbc80

            I turned 18 the fall of 1972. The Presidential election was my first election.

            And I agree Nixon was no conservative.

          • cordpt

            They were the conservatives, not Nixon.

          • cbc80

            …I had a draft number of 72…and Nixon was in the process of getting us out of Vietnam. I wanted nothing to disrupt that. It was the left who got us into that war…and escalated it and continued it for nearly a decade before Nixon. He won the election by to 4th largest margin in Presidential history.

            See…you kids on this forum may think you know your politics….but I’ve lived it much longer than you have.

            btw…President wasn’t the only elective position on the ballot that year.

          • cordpt

            You have no idea what my age is but that’s irrelevant anyway.

            The truth is that you voted for a socialist like Nixon over great conservatives like Schmitz and Tom Anderson. And you’re lecturing others about the purity of voting for the alleged conservative in any race (e.g. O’Donnell).

            You just said you’d rather lose with O’Donnell. Why weren’t you willing to lose with Schmitz then? Where’s your consistency? And you dare to blame Snowe for not being reliable? You are even more unreliable as a voter, you voted for a hardcore socialist like Nixon.

            Nixon, the Nixon who nationalized all railroad passenger service in this country, copying the Soviet Union and Cuba; him of the huge subsidies to big business; him of price controls; him of the Comprehensive Health Insurance Act, the first version of Obamacare; the one who appointed so many liberal judges to the Supreme Court.

            Maybe you actually believed in Nixon’s bullet points where he’d present himself as a “really anarchist”, as a “common sense conservative” and all that crap just like you believe in O’Donnell today? Or you just have a penchant for ethically challenged candidates?

          • cordpt

            McGovern as the leader of the free world could have meant the end of the human civilization as we know it.

            Too bad you’re such a staunch supporter of the position that you have to vote for the candidate who claims to be the conservative in the race.

          • cbc80

            …expecting me to understand all those issues as a senior in high school.

            But by the quality of my posting in here…I guess I can understand your high opinion of my political acumen…

          • cbc80

            Schmitz and Anderson? And what were the issues they campaigned on and against that would have led you to make such a decision.

            LOL!!

      • JSobieski

        I think the Maine sisters proved their value over the past two years. There is role for RINOs, just don’t want too many.

        • cbc80

          And what value would that be? Other than more Maalox moments for conservatives every time a big bill comes to the Senate floor?

          Snowe stood against a public option…but supported the left’s “more moderate” version of government controlled health care reform.

          So nice for us that she got her way. Isn’t it???…

          • aesthete
          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Not one Republican voted for final passage of Obamacare.

          • cbc80

            She may have voted against it in December. But she helped set the table for what the leftists left us with. And I suspect the only reason she did so was because the left didn’t need her vote to get it done.

          • aesthete

            In addition to being the only “rational one” on this board, predicting the Republican rout before any other, and being an arch- conservative Republican for over 40 years, cbc can also read minds! I imagine that he also predicted the season finale of LOST while it was still on the air.

          • cbc80

            But I do predict you’re a big fan of Fantasy Island

          • Achance

            yourself amongst all us imperfect Republicans? And you people wonder why office holders and Party operatives HATE you?

          • Aaron Gardner

            That was actually witty. Quit while your ahead.

  • Achance
  • http://kevin-wardsworld.blogspot.com/ kevinaw2

    Your article is a brilliant expose of political realities, properly tempered.

  • aesthete

    As even-handed, comprehensive, and classy as always.

    I would note as an addendum to your rebuttal of the pro-O’Donnell (which is really the pro-Minority Leader DeMint argument, if I read it correctly), while Castle certainly damages the Republican brand some, O’Donnell arguably damages both the Republican and conservative brand in the NE to an even greater extent the longer she is in the race, which is a cost that must be factored into analysis. Her weaknesses as a candidate already noted, having an inconsistent, unserious perennial candidate with a record as a culture warrior representing the Tea Parties and Republicans presents major problems for candidate recruitment, GOP outreach efforts, and for conservative education in general.

  • Tbone

    in the Republican barrel just to fill up the barrel.

  • Kentucky Scott

    I have followed the exchanges on this with great interest. My heart breaks at the thought of Senator Castle joining the Maine twins to crush us at times. But we can’t have a perfect world in one cycle. If O’Donnell cannot win I want Castle to be the Delaware Senator and live with the baggage that brings.

    The final thing that sways me is we cannot pass any chance to have Senator Jeff Sessions hold the title of Chairman Judiciary Committee. We must protect the integrity of our judicial system at all costs … it is the last defense of the constitution and is under assault from all directions.

    • tempest

      can not win. If you truly believe that then I understand. However, we are in a Conservative ascendency. One of the likes we have arguably never seen before within a two year perios. There are candidates nation-wide that have been down by huge numbers that are now closing within striking distance.

      Linda McMahon was -41 to Blumenthal as is now within striking distance of -7/-8, That is a +30 swing to McMahon in CT…and yet you give O’Donnell zero chance against Coons. I respectfully disagree.

      • Dan McLaughlin

        1-She has zillions of dollars
        2-She had a lot more time. If she was down as far as O’Donnell now, she’d be a hopeless case.

        • furious

          3. Unlike O’Donnell, she doesn’t have a curriculum vitae that reads like an
          episode of ’48 Hours Mystery’.
          4. She has the good fortune of a flawed opponent in the General.

          • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

            5. She was focused on Blumenthal from the beginning.
            6. Her campaign staff impresses me.

    • chamberD

      the ESTABLISHMENT always uses, isn’t it??

      We always have to have a weasel on the ballot, one who will attract “the middle,” because the people are too stupid and too immoral to have any convictions about what’s right, what promotes freedom and Founding principles; THEY DON’T GIVE US ANY CREDIT for having the courage of our convictions — because they don’t have any convictions, except to get elected and wield power and influence.

      And then we act all surprised when the Snowes and Browns vote with the liberals. You vote weasel, you get a weasel country.

      Our congress will have no spine until the people do. I reject the notion that conservative candidates cannot win against democrats. The problem is that the establishment — RINO — wing of the party wants to maintain its grip. Our foes are not the dems so much as they are the progressive Republicans whose goal is power-sharing, not OPPOSING our slide into despotism.

      And this is most certainly true: as the establishment ruling class types put fear into your hearts about the implications of an opposition majority, you have to know they are appealing to your worst instincts. Who gives a c#ap if Republicans win when they VOTE WITH LIBERALS??

      Expose RINOS for what they are: Nation destroyers. BOOT THEM OUT.

      Just let me ask you this, Kentucky Scott: How energized to get out to vote for Castle will the voters be in November when they realize there is little daylight between the dem and the rep??? Castle now means a dem in November; and that’s a fact. Voter apathy and disgust at being denied a real choice will keep the BASE at home — you can take that to the bank.

      • Spiker

        Marco Rubio, Ken Buck, Rand Paul, and Joe Miller are all favorites to win their races. Even Sharron Angle has a 50/50 shot.

        The argument is not that conservative candidates cannot win. The argument is that Christine O’Donnell cannot win.

        There are thousands upon thousands of elections in even our recent political history. We both can find examples of conservative candidates winning, and conservative candidates losing; of moderate candidates winning, and of moderate candidates losing.

        As for Castle’s base not showing up, he’s been winning statewide elections for the past 20 years. He’ll be fine.

      • Kentucky Scott

        Mitch and the boys tried to jam their establishment candidate down our throats and Kentucky voters told young Master Trey to go home. Rand Paul will likely take this state with about 58% of the vote.

        I just don’t see the history in Delaware of sending a message like that. Delaware has cursed me with Joe Biden since I was nine years old so they do owe America an apology and maybe this is the time.

        If O’Donnell wins the primary and the general, every O’Donnell supporter will rightly deserve our credit and thanks. I just hope all of you understand that as much as you detest Castle, his RINO betraying vote is still better than Coons and I hope you will find the motivation to support him in the end if he wins.

        If we wake up November 3rd with a 50-50 senate including Senator Coons, every ruling class Republican in the beltway will be claiming victory. They will all forget Murkowski, Bennett, Rubio, etc. and start crowing that the TEA Party and conservatives cost the party the Senate.

        November 2 will be an historic night … I want to win it all with conservatives whenever possible but with Republicans when practical. We can take our more RINO”s in future cycles by showing the country what conservative principles and governance actually looks.like. This country only had it briefly the 80′s and you have would have to be over 100 years old to remember what it was like to have Silent Cal lead by conservative principles.

        • chamberD

          about what people say — unless it’s people whose character merit my respect. I ALWAYS credit comments from nefarious types as grounded in an effort to silence me and cut me off at the pass, so to speak. I dismiss it outright as the manipulation it is.

          Should your scenario (in paragraph four) play out and the establishment Republicans “start crowing” about how the Tea Party is at fault, well, I say let them: the people of this country have developed highly sensitive radar of late and recognize the ruling class for what it is, freedom-destroying looters. All their crowing will do nothing except further expose them to the ridicule theyso richly deserve and as the enemy who must be defeated (regardless of how many election cycles it takes).

          Castle will be nothing more than a limp dishrag to the voters in Nov if he takes the primary today. All the talk about Castle being a shoo-in is nonsense. Don’t think for half a second that the Left will not move mountains to defeat anyone with an R next to his name. Better to vote your principles now than to concede defeat to the Left at the starting gate out of fear of the future. Don’t be held hostage to your fears; act on your principles — and if everyone followed this maxim we wouldn’t be confronted with the abysmal situation in which we find ourselves now.

  • Adjoran

    This is a tough gap to bridge, though. When Erick and others come right out and say they’d rather have a Democratic majority than Castle in a Republican one . . . I mean, seriously? They’d rather have more judges like Sotomayor and Kagan on the federal bench than Castle in a Delaware Senate seat?

    I can’t argue with that sort of thinking. I can’t have a rational discussion on that, because I see nothing rational enough about it to discuss.

    This isn’t “Tea Party” momentum. This is some conservatives using the Tea Party as cover for vengeance against those with whom they disagree. And they don’t care who is nominated, or what happens to the seats in November, as long as their enemies go down. They would rather nominate a nut or a crook than a “RINO” . . .

    I won’t support a dishonest candidate, no matter how many of the “right” boxes they check on the questionnaire.

    • Dan McLaughlin

      you must not vote much,

  • cbc80

    Gee…I wonder where all his millions came from…on his congressman’s salary?

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • chihank

    The DE Senate primary is the NY-23 all over again.

    • rbdwiggins

      Delaware Republicans get to choose their candidate.

      If those same Republicans want to take Biden’s old seat and have a legitimate shot at securing a Republican majority in the US Senate, they’ll choose wisely and vote for Castle.

      According to Rasmussen, Delaware voters will reject O’Donnell and choose Coons as the lesser of two evils.

      The race is little changed from early last month, when Castle held a 49% to 37% edge over Coons, a county executive who has never sought statewide office. July was the first time in Rasmussen Reports surveying of the race this year that support for Castle dipped below the 50% mark.

      Prior to July, Castle earned between 53% and 56% support, while Coons? support fell in a 27% to 32% range.

      Coons leads conservative activist Christine O?Donnell, who is challenging Castle for the GOP Senate nomination in a primary next Tuesday, by a 47% to 36% margin. Given that matchup, eight percent (8%) prefer another candidate, while nine percent (9%) are undecided.

      Last month, Coons held a similar 46% to 36% lead over O?Donnell after the candidates were virtually tied in July.

      Castle captures 71% of the GOP vote, while O’Donnell earns 63% support among voters in her own party. While Coons is backed by 70% of Democrats against O?Donnell, he earns the vote from just 55% of Democratic voters when matched against Castle. Voters not affiliated with either major party prefer Castle over Coons but favor the Democrat if O’Donnell is his opponent.

  • cbc80

    It also stands for complete blood count.

    I prefer conservative backers coalition.

    Which do you prefer?

  • avgjo

    What a choice.

    I tend to agree with the people that say the problem is the candidate, not the platform, when it comes to O’Donnell. As someone pointed out, Reagan won 49 states.

    Of course, this is many years later, and things have changed.

    Still, I wonder whether the rarity of conservative officials from that part of the country has more to do with a combination of ‘conventional wisdom’ about RINOs being the best we can get in the NE (qua self-fulfilling prophecy) with a poor choice of conservative candidates up there?

    One must wonder: could an articulate, likeable true conservative who reminds NE citizens what makes America great get elected there, even in 2010?

    Just my two bits.

    • rbdwiggins

      Not until/unless our failed government schools have been reformed and the Partisan Press has been held accountable for the abrogation of its constitutional responsibilities.

      • avgjo

        we’ve got some work to do.

        I remember a while back, before I entertained the above idea, that it seemed to me that the true fringe in this country largely resided in the coasts, and that they seemed to be pincering ‘flyover country’ with their big-government policies and ‘cultural’ gobbledygook. And I remember having this idea that we should reverse the process, by taking back the school system that they hijacked. As far as the media, they still need flyover folks for ratings, and by all accounts, we (as a group) seem to be abandoning them. So, if your premise is right, and if we can reform the school system, maybe in 10-20 years we can see conservatives from all 50 states.

        Now THAT’S something worth fighting for!

        • rbdwiggins

          sports, reality shows, sitcoms and perennial audience-favorites.

          The news divisions continue the propaganda despite hemorrhaging viewers and enormous mountains of cash. It doesn’t really change anything though because the same propaganda is written into nearly every storyline throughout the broadcast day.

          The key is education. It will be a generation-long battle, and it will be bloody.
          Politically speaking, of course.

    • SirGladiator

      It sounds like avgjo, that you haven’t seen or heard Christine O’Donnell speak, and you’ve only heard the RINOs spreading misinformation about her. Regardless of whether someone supports O’Donnell or Castle its just plain untrue to say that Christine isn’t an ‘articulate, likable true Conservative’, if you’d ever seen her on TV or heard her on the radio you’d know that’s exactly what she is. I encourage you to go to her website, Sean Hannity’s website, any website you can think of that would have her speaking for a few minutes, just listen to her, and you’ll see why she’s winning this race, because the lies about her are refuted simply by listening to her, something most Delaware voters are doing, and tomorrow they’re voting for her. I’m sure once you hear her for yourself you’ll feel the same way.

      • cordpt

        For example, this radio interview to conservative host (and her former supporter) Dan Gaffney.

        http://www.wgmd.com/?p=9496

        Listen to her particularly conservative defense of her very articulate and conservative claim that she won two counties in the 2008 elections, for example.

        • avgjo

          Like any human being, she has some lumps.

          I’ve heard two points raised about her that, if true, concern me: she still owes some businesses for costs incurred in a previous campaign. She should have squared those away at the beginning before she ran for this race. This is a moral imperative and a common sense one. I’m not knocking her for having debts; that’s the story of many, perhaps most people in our country. It’s just that (a) if you have the money to pay your debts, you should and (b) if you don’t, your opponents will beat you over the head with it. If she has the money to run for Senate, she has the money to pay her debt.

          The other thing I’ve heard is that she is supposed to have filed a suit playing the gender card. I’m not saying that there isn’t some misogyny out there, but I don’t like identity politics period.

          This all said, for me the biggest difficulty in the vote would be making the choice to (a) vote for the RINO who is likelier to win than not and poke the Donks in the eye or (b) vote for the conservative who is (at best) as likely to lose as to win and give the Donks something to beat the Tea Party/Conservatives over the head with in Nov. The fewer ‘see, we told you their candidates were too extreme’ cases we have to deal with, the better. This could have an effect in 2012.

  • ardvarkmaster

    But when do we start remembering principles before party?

    If you believe in Conservatism, you vote that way. But if you just want the Republicans to win, you vote for the person you THINK can win the general election. Isn’t that how McCain got the presidential nomination?

    I would must rather see a (D) who I know who he is going to vote with 100% of the time then an (R) who will, at best, only vote with the other (R)s 50% of the time, but only if its for National Oatmeal Day. I don’t want an (R) who will vote with the (D)s for Cap and Trade, for God’s Sake.

    I can handle the fact that not all (R) march in lock step with my views but it would be nice if we were listening to the same music. It shouldn’t be that both parties hear the same music, just at a different tempo.

  • rbdwiggins

    Democrats and Independents, voting in open primaries, chose McCain as the Republican nominee.

    • rbdwiggins

      is my friend.

      Reply directed to ardvarkmaster.

    • chamberD

      by establishment Republicans controlling the state voting apparatus who were all too happy to have ‘moderates’ voting so as to keep conservatives shut out.

      They really do despise us that much.

      • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

        Make no mistake about it.

        I don’t have any use for Republicans who don’t get it. The Tea Party is the only thing standing between them and oblivion.

        http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/mike-castle-murkowski-warned-me-about-tea-partiers.php

        “Rep. Mike Castle, on the ropes in Delaware before tomorrow’s GOP Senate primary, said in an interview with ABC which aired today that he was warned about the tea party’s strength and tactics by fellow Republicans.

        Castle (R-DE) told ABC’s Jonathan Karl that he spoke with Sen. Lisa Murkowski after a tea party-endorsed candidate unseated her in Alaska’s Republican primary.

        “She called me several days after she went down and said, ‘These people will come hard, be careful,’” Castle said in the interview, which aired on ABC’s “TopLine.”

        Castle said that Murkowski told him, “Prepare yourself,” given the battle she’d faced in Alaska. He’s facing the same forces, with the Tea Party Express spending more than $250,000 for his Republican rival Christine O’Donnell, who has never held political office.

        After Castle made similar remarks to The Hill, the Tea Party Express fundraised off of it, saying he was colluding with “sore loser” Murkowski. Tea Party Express officials wrote:

        • chamberD

          we want in the Senate, there is no way he could consider the Tea Party people his opposition; rather he would embrace them for their Founding ideals and their hard work to set this country back on course.

          He betrays his heart and his intentions by going against them.

  • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

    1. can’t win in .

    2. All the cover Mike Castle could ask, for a campaign that has done nothing but trash Christine O’Donnell (the “Nuts and Sluts” tactic http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/09/nuts-and-sluts-in-delaware.html) and serve up plenty of red meat to her Democrat opponents if and when she does win (so much for party unity).

    3. Advance the meme that numbers are a substitute for principles (how did that work out for Republicans last time around…can you say “Gang of 14?”)

    • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

      1. “insert unapologetic conservative candidate here” can’t win in “insert deep blue state here”

  • bobguzzardi

    Against All Odds Doing the Impossible

    Only a person with an impulsive, aggressive, confrontational, pugnacious,risk taking, visionary personality like Christine O’Donnell, willing to stand her ground and persist against all odds, could have done the impossible and challenged the Incestuous Incumbency of the Elite Entitled Entrenched Establishment in Delaware.

    Let us not complain what she is not, let us be thankful for what she is- an agent of change.

    • JSobieski

      nt

      • bobguzzardi

        Are you recommending that I advocate for the status quo?

  • Josh Painter

    To win my vote and support, a candidate must at a minimum be pro-life and pro-firearms. A candidate’s position on these two issues tells you a lot about how he or she views our nation’s founding documents.

    Pro-life candidates almost always take the Declaration of Independence seriously and understand the meaning of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    Pro-firearms candidates tend to view the Constitution as the ultimate guide to governing this republic. The Second Amendment’s “shall not be infringed” language, like that of the other nine amendments in the Bill of Rights make it clear that the people, not government, have rights. The Declaration makes it clear where those rights come from.

    Unfortunately, Mike Castle is rated zero by most pro-life groups and gets a grade of “F” from the major pro-firearms groups. Those are two huge clues that he just doesn’t understand much about the foundation upon which this nation was built. Such a person cannot be trusted to be a U.S. Senator. If I lived in Delaware, I could not in good conscience vote for the man.

    End of story.

    - JP

    • davesinsanantonio

      Well thought and well said. Both are very telling indicators. Thank you.

  • nepanyrush

    As a Pennsylvania resident, I heard much of the same arguments why I should vote for Specter over Toomey. Even Santorum and Bush campaigned for Specter. Within 2 months of voting for Specter, I was dismayed that I had elected this man. Sorry, but I am voting my principles from now on rather than using a “ends justify the means” kind of value system.

    • chamberD

      The voters are finally getting it!

      Never, ever, sacrifice your principles for expediency’s sake. This anecdote comes to mind:

      Churchill: Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?
      Socialite: My goodness, Mr. Churchill? Well, I suppose? we would have to discuss terms, of course?
      Churchill: Would you sleep with me for five pounds?
      Socialite: Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!
      Churchill: Madam, we?ve already established that. Now we are haggling about the price.

      Always act according to your principles and let the chips fall where they may. Otherwise you are proving yourself arrogant and seeking to wrest control from God by your vain machinations. Man up and be who you are, if you are men at all.

  • audax

    …..Heres the full article:

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/05/13/conservative-but-also-republican/

    And here’s the full quote from the fourth paragraph:

    “At RedState we have always and will always be conservative in primaries and Republican in general elections with very, very, very few exceptions”

    Guess the last 6 words are the “out” when the stuff hits the fan over wether we really , really should back the conservative noun over the…over the…over the….who? The candidate who doesn’t really stand for freedom? here is the last sentence from paragraph 3 of EE’s article: ” I am with freedom. Therefore, I am with the Republicans.”

    Now when I look at the GOP primary in any State…well let’s look at Delaware….which candidate is “with freedom” over, I guess, tyranny? (as defined herewith by being for) more government? higher taxes? more regulation over our daily lives? Answer that question and who to vote for becomes obvious. Or read Mark Levin’s “Liberty & Tyranny” for a really good description.

    Many arguements made in the article for Castle and some comment’s, remind me of this same battle which occured in the GOP presidential primaries of ’76 between the conservative-noun candidate and the ’76 version of a RINO who thought government could “WIN”.

    Regardless of the outcome today in Delaware it sure will be interesting reading tomorrow on Red State.

  • zr2x4

    that Malpass helped cause the collapse of bear stearns?
    malpassexposed.com

    Vote Joe DioGuardi!!!

  • ac7880

    NO MORE RINOs. No Castle. Never!

    Teach the RINOs that liberalism is a disease and poison to their “careers”.

    NO RINOs!

  • glorious

    You can write all the well-reasoned (you think) arguments you want for voting Castle. We say no. Not interested in RINOs.

    NOT INTERESTED!!!!

    It’s the princilples stupid. You can save yourselves (Repubs) only if you wake up. The country, our way of life, is at stake. And you want committee chairmanship…….shame on you.

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