German Chancellor Angela Merkel has just broken one of Europe’s greatest taboos. But the truth may prove more dangerous than the lies that preceded it.
Europe has a decidedly love-hate relationship with racial, cultural and religious pluralism. On the one hand, Europeans have no choice but to deal – more than do Americans – with a continent with a multiplicity of languages, they love to lecture ‘simplistic’ Americans about tolerance, and moreso than in the U.S., there’s a powerful taboo among the governing elite against even talking about cultural or social issues of any kind, let alone subjecting them to free public debate. On the other hand, there’s thousands of years of history of racial, ethnic and religious animosities tearing the continent apart and leading to many of human history’s worst atrocities. And with regard to specific case of Europe’s relationship with the Islamic world, think location, location, location: even places we think of as far distant lands – Algeria, Libya, Syria – are geographically right on Europe’s doorstep, and familiarity in Europe has often bred contempt, and worse. It was Europe that was invaded by Muslim imperialists pretty much continuously from the 700s (when Charles Martel stopped the Muslim advance into France at Poitiers) to the 1600s (when the Turks were stopped at the gates of Vienna in 1683); Spain spent 700 years under Islamic rule, parts of the Balkans even longer. It was also Europeans who launched the Crusades, beginning some 300 years after Poitiers. European nationalism is not the conservative, free-market, liberty-oriented variety we have in the United States, and really never has been; it tends to be statist, befitting its feudal origins, and in recent centuries it has lost the restraining or at least balancing force of Christianity, as the continent has become less Christian.
The elite consensus has been placed under exceptional strain in the past decade by two symbiotic trends: the declining birthrates of native Europeans, who reproduce barely more than pandas, requiring large-scale immigration of young workers to make Europe’s welfare states even remotely sustainable; and the fact that those immigrants are predominantly Muslim and include large numbers of people who have no respect for pluralism of any kind. Put simply, Europe can’t live without Muslim immigration, but at some point, if demographic trends continue and the immigrants don’t drastically alter the extent of their cultural assimilation, it won’t really be Europe anymore.
We are only now seeing quite how traumatized Europe was by the riots over the Danish Muhammad cartoons in late 2005 and early 2006, a watershed in a long series of events across the continent in which Europeans were faced with behavior by the Muslim minority (or in some cases, almost now a majority) – usually involving violence or threatened violence – utterly inconsistent with pluralism of any kind. (Indeed, one of the great untold stories of the past decade is the extent to which events after September 11 have eroded the benefit of the doubt given by the public in the U.S. and Europe alike to the idea that Islam in practice is a peaceful faith and leached the credibility of leaders like George W. Bush who labored long and hard to draw distinctions between Islam’s majority and its terrorist minority.)
There is, of course, great debate to be had over issues of assimilation and cultural tension generally, and specifically over the extent to which Islam can or should be integrated into a pluralistic society in the way that Christianity, Judaism and other faiths have done in the West (albeit with always imperfect results). But the merits of that whole debate aside, what is newsworthy is that Europeans have started fighting back, and if history is any guide, there are real reasons to worry that the reaction will as bad as the problem. We’ve seen the early signs in France’s ban on the burqa and German authorities closing the Hamburg mosque where the September 11 attackers met.
Chancellor Merkel has now broken the elite consensus of silence wide open:
Germany’s attempt to create a multi-cultural society has failed completely, Chancellor Angela Merkel said at the weekend, calling on the country’s immigrants to learn German and adopt Christian values.
Merkel weighed in for the first time in a blistering debate sparked by a central bank board member saying the country was being made “more stupid” by poorly educated and unproductive Muslim migrants.
“Multikulti”, the concept that “we are now living side by side and are happy about it,” does not work, Merkel told a meeting of younger members of her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party at Potsdam near Berlin.
“This approach has failed, totally,” she said, adding that immigrants should integrate and adopt Germany’s culture and values.
“We feel tied to Christian values. Those who don’t accept them don’t have a place here,” said the chancellor.
“Subsidising immigrants” isn’t sufficient, Germany has the right to “make demands” on them, she added, such as mastering the language of Goethe and abandoning practices such as forced marriages.
And there are signs that Merkel has public opinion on her side:
A recent study by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation think tank showed around one-third of Germans feel the country is being “over-run by foreigners” and the same percentage feel foreigners should be sent home when jobs are scarce.
Nearly 60 percent of the 2,411 people polled thought the around four million Muslims in Germany should have their religious practices “significantly curbed.”
Far-right attitudes are found not only at the extremes of German society, but “to a worrying degree at the centre of society,” the think tank said in its report.
It’s easy to think today of European society as a static feature of the landscape that will ever be with us. But much of the continent was, little more than two decades ago, living under the yoke of tyranny. Stable government is a tenuous tradition in Southern Europe, we last had a significant coup attempt in France in 1958, and the last time we had religious war and something like genocide in Europe was in the mid-1990s. With demographic and fiscal crisis rising on the continent, we may yet be in for another time of turbulence in Europe. Germany, at the continent’s cultural, geographic and financial center, will be a crucial test of how it weathers that storm.
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Whew! Talk about kicking sacred cows !
johnt Monday, October 18th at 11:00AM EDT (link)Wait till the liberal wackos digest this one. Get ready for a flood of stereotyped outrage and name calling, including that old standby “nazism”.
Under no circumstances imaginable are you to speak the truth, worse, to point out the very, very obvious. Unforgivable because she is directing her remarks mainly at the American lefts new and best friends, the islamists. There will be hell to pay.
“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville
I'm glad
irishfreedomfighter (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 11:02AM EDT (link)that finally someone in a position of authority has spoken up. When I went to Europe, everyone there vehemently denied any danger of losing their culture and country, and they really were oblivious to the horrible crimes that some Muslims were doing. In American, when a new group begins to arrive, they join our society and assimilate into our culture. In Europe, the exact opposite is true. Many Muslims make their own little countries, and quite often the police do not even dare to go into these Muslim neighborhoods.
Multiculturalism in Europe has not only failed, it has been a catastrophe. They should either become part of the society, or join a society where their beliefs fit in better.
I went to grad school in Vienna
DerKrieger (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 11:23AM EDT (link)…and lived in a district with a lot of Turks. I was able to see first hand how the Turkish youth intimidated the Austrians who, as ever, remained pacifists in the face of the aggression. It was Khadaffi (sp?) who said “There are signs that Allah will grant victory to Islam in Europe without sword, without gun, without conquest. We don’t need terrorists; we don’t need homicide bombers. The 50 plus million Muslims (in Europe) will turn it into the Muslim Continent within a few decades.”
I think it’s too late for Europe to stop their slide toward Islamic states unless they decide to go to war to protect themselves. It won’t even take a majority for Islam to dominate as the average of the Muslims will be decades younger than the average age of the Europeans. They will have the youth and the energy. Europe is more than likely gone and we have to adjust to that reality by recognizing that an Islamic Europe is also a nuclear armed Islamic Europe and we will be the last Christian stronghold they will seek to conquer.
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690
It's now up to the women of Germany
blooch Monday, October 18th at 1:00PM EDT (link)to turn the tide, if that is even possible. The German woman has been the driving force behind the pacifist, leftist and feminist-dominated postwar German culture. Her intensity and ferocity in claiming the moral high ground has turned the majority of German males into outright Sitzpinklers and meek accomodationists who dare not speak out against Islamization–and almost anything else–for fear of upsetting “domestic tranquility”.
My best friend is from Cologne, and he brought his girlfriend, whom he had met on a visit home, to America for a visit, in hopes of persuading her to live here with him. She arrived here a week after 9/11, and her obnoxious preachiness was astounding. She was Imam Rauf in drag, and I would have kicked this Teutonic Islamist apologist out of my house, were it not for the respect I have for my friend. Nature took its course, however, and she ended up grating on his nerves, since he was already thoroughly Americanized after living in the USA since 1990.
When my friend brings his nieces and nephews over for vacation during the Summer, it is both amusing and alarming to hear what comes out of their mouths…especially the girls. Interestlingly enough, he is one of three sons, and his parents were somewhat frowned upon fifty years ago for having so many children. When I first met him, he was embarrassed that his two older brothers had three children each! Not good to crowd the Lebensraum like that.
However, Americanized though he is, my friend still spouts what seems to be the party line regarding Islam: Christianity went through an age of enlightenment and reformation, and we must be patient while Islam does the same, since it is a much younger faith. I am still working on him in that regard, but I don’t see much hope for German men. They have ceded too much authority to their women in every aspect of their lives, and they will not act to change anything unless their women demand it.
Uber-feminist notions about economic security, nationalism, tolerance and family-planning have dominated the culture of Germany for too long. If I am correct, Merkel is in for one big cat-fight.
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
Austrian Exchange-Student: Same mindset...
msgrant (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 9:30AM EDT (link)We once hosted a teenage girl from Austria. Yeesh! Bratty, morose, and self-confidently full of anti-American, Socialist drivel (e.g. Bush bad, Palestinian terrorist good.) She was also emotionally traumatized by Austria’s role in World War II, and constantly defended her country (I told her she wasn’t responsible for the sins of the past but it didn’t help. Sound familiar, you evil WASP Americans?). One ray of hope – she was a fan of Angela Merkel…
Women and children first?
blooch Tuesday, October 19th at 10:30AM EDT (link)I don’t know if it’s part of the German psyche or what, but they seem to have a certain…intensity once they take a position on something, and they don’t dial it back. It’s more like a binary switch. I think this tendency is what Dan is worried about.
I was in East Germany in 1990 when the wall was still coming down. We stayed overnight in this little town named Coswig, and we met some teenaged boys the next morning. They were very friendly, once they found out we were Americans, and invited us to visit their “Clubhouse”. we went with them to this little shack, which was festooned with Anti-Fascist and Anti-Communist posters and screeds. When they told us they were members of a group called Autonome, my West German friends became somewhat alarmed, and told us in English (which these kids didn’t speak) that Autonome was a no-no, and we should leave ASAP. We parted on friendly terms, but I thought the West German guys were going soil their britches. That knid of thing just wasn’t done in the West
I don’t think the kids knew exactly what Autonome was all about. They were most likely playing Autonome just to be contrarian and for the shock value in the reactions of locals and the new West German visitors. But who knows what they’re up to now. From my experience, Germans are very conformist, but what if a new, more sinister conformity takes hold? Where German nationalism is concerned, the worm does not always turn slowly. I hope Merkel is aware that she may be riding a young tiger.
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
Get ready for a flood of stereotyped outrage and name calling, including that old standby “nazism”
izoneguy (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 11:24AM EDT (link)I think Merkel is on the opposite side of being a “nazi”
http://media0.terrorismawareness.org/files/NaziRoots.pdf
The Muslim Brotherhood and the Nazis
The ideology of the Islamists whose ranks today include not only
al-Qaeda but also hamas and hezbollah — originated with egypt’s
muslim Brotherhood (al-khwan al- uslimoon) founded in 1928 by
Iman sheikh hassan al-Banna.2 And the muslim Brotherhood finds not just its roots, but much of its symbolism, terminology, and political priorities deep within the heart of Nazi fascism.
…..
It was during this time that the muslim Brotherhood found a soul
mate in Nazi Germany. The Reich offered great power connections to the movement, but the relationship brokered by the Brotherhood was more than a marriage of convenience. long before the war, al-Banna had developed an Islamic religious ideology which previewed hitler’s Nazism.
Both movements sought world conquest and domination.
Both were triumphalist and supremacist: in Nazism the Aryan
must rule, while in al-Banna’s Islam, the muslim religion must hold
dominion. Both advocated subordination of the individual to a folkish
central power. Both were explicitly anti-nationalist in the sense that
they believed in the liquidation of the nation-state in favor of a
trans-national unifying community: in Islam the umma (community
of all believers); and in Nazism the herrenvolk (master race). Both
worshipped the unifying totalitarian figure of the caliph or führer.
And both rabidly hated the Jews and sought their destruction.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
izoneguy, just to be clear.
johnt Monday, October 18th at 11:39AM EDT (link)My point was that the nazi stuff and other such attacks would be a smear against Merkel. Of course she’s the opposite of being a nazi, but when has that ever stopped a liberal[ ?] from calling someone that?
“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville
johnt I understand what you are saying
izoneguy (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 11:57AM EDT (link)I posted that has a brief history lesson to show that the Nazis and the Muslims were brothers in arms. So when the left chants that people on the right are nazis you must explain to them who the nazis support.
In Germany if the Nazis are supported by the Muslims then Germany will have a real fight on their hands.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Pope Benedict isn't one to say, "I told you so."
Crowe (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 11:34AM EDT (link)But that’s kinda what he said a while ago.
Now, Merkel arrived at it from a governmental and economic perspective, but “Truth from any source is from the Holy Spirt,” so we can handle that.
Only a return to the Christian roots that are the wellspring of authentic, historic European culture will save that culture from disappearing.
“We sleep soundly in our beds only because
rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harmDear Leader Obama gives us leave to do so.”Merkel will be called a xenophobe, but she's right.
conservativebeacon Monday, October 18th at 11:37AM EDT (link)The only exception I have with all of this is that what has taken place in Europe and what’s currently underway here in America isn’t multiculturalism.
It’s an invasion.
Multiculturalism is what we experienced at the turn of the last century with Italian and Greek immigrants coming to America. They assimilated to our language and culture but they also incorporated theirs. The key is that they didn’t seek to replace ours with their homeland’s.
They became Americans, not hyphenated Americans. That’s true multiculturalism.
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Demographics is Destiny.
Incredible (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 11:38AM EDT (link)Therefore, if you want to travel, see Europe before it isn’t.
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Multiculturalism doesn't work when one part doesn't want to assimilate nicely.
anotherindyfilmguy (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 12:08PM EDT (link)Europe has a problem. The problem is self evident and will likely feed itself until there is massive violence on a very large scale. Unless the immigrants move out of the ghettos/off the dole and into the mainstream of the host nation en masse then there will be no real assimilation of them. Europe’s leaders, trying to instill a culture of pacifism has done little more than prepared their people to be slaves. Add to this an immigration group that looks on the host population as targets for killing/enslavement and it’s not a pretty picture down the road. Not everyone in Europe is ready to be a overt slave to obnoxious immigrants though and it is very possible that at some point there will be a big militant swing in attitudes and then things get very bad for everyone there.
America has a similar problem, to a lesser degree. The big difference is numbers of immigrants and the attitude in dealing with it on the street level. Americans only take so much BS before telling someone who is being a jerk to stuff it. Americans who will not put up with the BS for long way outnumber the pacifists.
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Multiculturalism doesn't work, ever.
Loren Heal (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 12:25PM EDT (link)By definition and design it is intended to prevent assimilation. It is the fragmentation of culture. Culture defines countries, and multiculturalism is designed to undermine the nation-state. The end goal of the multiculties is world government, with guess who at the top.
And it doesn’t matter who is at the top. Once the world is run as a single political and cultural entity in which all cultures are declared equal, there will be no escape from the oppressive hand required to enforce it, in the form of the most massive bureaucracy the world has ever known.
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Indeed
aesthete (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 1:05PM EDT (link)Forced assimilation rarely works, either, and typically involves copious amounts of bloodshed (see the Russian attempts to create a national identity, the several attempts of the same in continental Europe, “Hanification” in China, etc). However, inducing multiculturalism artificially subsidizes various beliefs and attitudes that actively hinder life for immigrants in the US. I believe that the US can and should handle much more immigration than it is currently handling, but that can only happen when we acknowledge that 1) cultures are different and that 2) *gasp* the US’ culture has several positive attributes which can and have been absorbed by immigrants more or less voluntarily (and that this is a good thing).
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
The forced assimilation strawman is offensive.
Loren Heal (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 2:09PM EDT (link)But I think we mostly agree.
Additionally, the American culture has a unique (I think) feature of actively seeking chunks of other cultures to adopt. I think the English language influences that, with its built-in ability to adopt foreign words.
Love to finish, but I’m deciding between a giro and fries or a giant burrito for lunch.
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Agreed. Immigration is voluntary, subjugation is not. People come here voluntarily
JSobieski (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 2:59PM EDT (link)Which is in sharp contrast to the examples provided by Aesthete.
Russian soldiers showing up at your door and saying assimilate as Russians is just military conquest. The “analogy” is misplaced.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
I wasn't accusing you or Socrates
aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 1:28AM EDT (link)of wanting forced assimilation, simply tacking onto Socrates’ statement something that I knew that he believed from prior posts, and that shows how different the US immigration experience is compared to others worldwide. I’ll grant you that my examples were poor, but will point out that examples of forced assimilation definitely exist in great number (perhaps most famously in the case of Jewish and Chinese immigrant populatoins in Europe and the Far East, respectively). Europe and pretty much everywhere that isn’t a settler nation has a history of various shades of violent assimilation and redistribution of immigrant capital to natives.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
And the point is: SO?
Loren Heal (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 10:52AM EDT (link)Forced assimilation has nothing to do with the process of allowing people to immigrate and become part of our society. Trot out the Bolsheviks or the Huns or some mid-century Teutonic militarist aggression …
(*ahem*)
… as you will, it’s still irrelevant. The straw man is in using something no one here defends — killing people who don’t conform — as a way to say the multiculties have a point. It’s the standard liberal tactic:
Everyone: X with Y is very bad.
Right: We want X.
Left: You want X with Y!
Media: Right is extreme. They love X with Y.
In this case X is ‘assimilation’ and Y is ‘capital enforcement’. But it could be X is Social Security reform and Y is ‘immediate cutoff’, or X is ‘school prayer’ and Y is ‘authorized bullying of atheists’. Or whatever.
You’re bringing up “X with Y!” as if it has anything to do with the current discussion. It does not.
And that’s the last I’ll say on the matter.
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aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 12:31PM EDT (link)You said “multiculturalism doesn’t ever work”, which I agree with. You said it in the context of Dan’s post on continental Europe, where the historical alternative to soft multiculturalism has often been forced immigration of some sort or another. This attitude persists today in the right *in continental Europe*. This is not a problem in the US: those who have proposed disproportionate measures in response to immigration, like Pat Buchanan, are rightly seen as idiots. My statement was made in the spirit of comity, and to clarify that the US right wants nothing to do with the attitude that the national right in Europe has regarding immigrants and immigration, even if we both oppose multiculturalism.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Forced immigration doesn't happen in Western countries
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 12:30PM EDT (link)Agree the Europe has some ugly history (who doesn’t). but Merkel’s statement is made in the context of a Western country that people have voluntarily immigrated to.
Assimilation is part of the deal. If they don’t want to assimilate, they should leave.
Forced assimilation in that context is really saying either assimilate or leave, not assimilate or die—the scenario of your examples.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
I'll make myself more clear
aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 12:59PM EDT (link)The examples that I cited (European Jewry, Chinese immigrants), even incorrectly (Russia, China), were not characterized so much by assimilation by the sword (though that was certainly an element) as by an oppressive atttempt by the majority to make others second-class citizens until they “assimilated” to the satisfaction of the majority population. With the exception of the Japanese and Chinese in the West Coast, we never had that problem in the US: and in those two cases, we got over that pretty quickly.
I have little fear that Europe will start throwing Muslims in ovens or anything like that. I am concerned that Europe would establish a secular dhimmi-like status for immigrants and naturalized citizens, wherein those groups must constantly display obesiance to “Christian values” through punitive and oppressive government measures. I think that we forget that Europe’s right really isn’t open to freedom, as ours is, and that it is supremicist and nationalist (not the good kind of nationalism, either). The right in the US is talking primarily about immigration restrictions and enforcement: I don’t agree with the former, but it’s not motivated by racism or supremicist thought, nor does it add arbitrary burdens to the current legal population of immigrants. The right in the Netherlands is talking about bans on the Qu’ran, taxes on women wearing headscarves, and country-wide bans on the construction of mosques. There’s a wide chasm between those two positions, and I for one want it made clear that while we both oppose forced multiculturalism, we do not share the same values or start from the same premises as the European right.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Aesthete, the idea that Europe would create some type of "Christian" version of dhimmi status is laughable
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 4:11PM EDT (link)First, the Christianity of Europe is extremely muted
Second, its 180 degrees from what is actually happening, i.e. bend over backwards, put people on trial for insulting the Koran but not for making threats
Third, Christianity does not have within itself a dhimmi status. It would be unChristian for such treatment to occur.
A lot of things would have to happen before I got even close to being in any way concerned about human rights abuses going the other way.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
I said secular, didn't I?
aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 5:24PM EDT (link)It would be silly if it were some religiously-based dhimmi status, wouldn’t it? And considering that Europe’s polities have gone from favoring extreme socialism to extremely nationalistic governments since the Napoleonic period (with these trends having moderated as Europe lost its military strength during the Cold War), I easily see Europe’s backlash resulting in policies which severely limit the freedoms of immigrants and naturalized citizens. Given that this is already happening in the form of mosque and burka bans, I would say that if anything, I might be underestimating the strength of European nationalism. (This is not the case in the UK, which has a stronger tradition of freedom than the continentals.)
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
My bad, but I still don't see a backlash any time soon
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 6:22PM EDT (link)I put this is the category of when trade barriers would be necessary to preserve an auto industry—theoretical
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
I hope I'm wrong, and that you're right
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 1:34AM EDT (link)Sure would be nice to be pleasantly surprised by European political trends, for a change.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Europe seems to be doing better than we are in terms of many fiscal matters
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 1:57AM EDT (link)It will be interesting to see how the riots in France progress on the pension issue. Hard to imagine Obama putting up much resistance if the situation was here in the US.
Europe seems willing to try and save itself. I previously thought that all sense of self-preservation had since disipated.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
What Aesthete is saying (i think) but not saying
kyle8 (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 5:32PM EDT (link)is that there might be a tremendous backlash brewing in Europe. I see the beginnings of it as I have friends who are French. They used to be down the line left wing Euros, and now I see them embracing LePen and his party.
It is kinda funny to me after all the crap they gave me during the 1980′s and 1990′s for being such a reactionary. But I gather that there is a growing movement in all of western Europe.
As to Eastern Europe they are already very xenophobic. Communism did NOTHING to retard these tendencies.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Disagree than Eastern Europe is xenophobic
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 6:21PM EDT (link)There is a difference between a healthy fear of heights and an irrational fear of heights.
The fears of Eastern Europe are quite understandable and even healthy given their history.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
Well, I cannot speak for all of Eastern Europe but..
kyle8 (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 6:44PM EDT (link)I can tell you that Russsians are the worst Fricking racists in the whole world.
I worked with several Russians (well educated) on a project, both Male and Female, and They were all horrible racists.
They called all of our people who had slightly brown skin the “N” word.
Mexicans, Indians, it did not matter. And when I confronted them and said that this was not acceptable in the United States the laughed in my face and said that “I would have to kill the N@gg@rs sooner or later. ”
I don’t give a hoot in hell for any of those bastards.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
I'm not a fan of Russian either
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 9:44PM EDT (link)But labeling Poles, Hungarians, Czechs, Lithuanians, et al. will Russians is insulting and distasteful. Had you said Russia is a xenophobic country I wouldn’t have said anything.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
Exactly
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 12:59AM EDT (link)La Pen is probably the best example of what I’m talking about, thanks for bringing him up Kyle. The right and far right in Europe is, ironically enough, everything that the left accuses the right in the knuckle-dragging US of being: supremacist, often racist, and willing to use government to further the vision of the entrenched native populace.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
La Pen is a good example, but is there a German equivalent?
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 2:00AM EDT (link)A Dutch equivalent (no Wilders isn’t even close)? An Italian equivalent?
I know the UK has a party that gets accused of being similar to La Pen, but I have also heard some US conservatives defend that party as well.
Now Russia on the other hand . .. lots of folks over there who would fit in the La Pen mode.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
Austrian equivalent, maybe
blooch Wednesday, October 20th at 8:27AM EDT (link)Joerg Haider?
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
Certainly
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 2:19PM EDT (link)Wilders wants to ban the Qu’ran, tax women wearing headscarves, ban all immigration from Muslim countries, and stop all construction of mosques. Besides not being an anti-Semite how does he not fit the La Pen template?
The British party you’re referencing is the BNP. I don’t know what conservatives in the US have defended the party, but there’s nothing worthy of defense from a conservative perspective: they’re a white supremacist party in favor of the welfare state (for whites), deportation of all Eastern European immigrants, and keeping the UK “pure”. Here’s their home page: if you find anything of merit amongst the rabid defenses of whites and unions, and the trades against privatization and immigration, please let me know. It restricted party membership to indigenous Caucasians until 2009, when this requirement was overturned by courts. It is loathesome, and any American conservative who voices support for the party is either misinformed or not an American conservative. (Hopefully the aforementioned conservatives were talking about UKIP, a right-libertarian party which has been unfairly labelled as racist for its stance on immigration.)
In Italy, the National Alliance, La Destra (“The Right”), and some other niche parties more than pick up the slack for the crazy European right. The National Alliance is the result of a merger between a disgraced Christian Democrat party and the neo-fascist Italian Social Movement: a party which clung to all of the fascist paraphernalia, racism, and various aspects of German and Italian fascism. The right in Italy still has Alessandra Mussolini (yes, the daughter of THAT Mussolini) active as part of the political “center” (she’s a third-way moderate fascist), if that tells you anything. The Italian political scene is particularly relevant to what I reference: for years, it oscillated between euro-communism (not socialism, communism) and some “moderate” merging between fascism, social democracy, and Christian democracy.
Germany is a bit different in that “the right” there has strong negative connotations related to Nazism (which I think are unfair, given that fascism is a “third position” ideology and that several German conservative institutions strongly opposed fascism, but that’s how it is). Anti-Nazism is a really big deal there, and Germany collectively faces its past in a way that is quite unlike anything I’ve ever seen in any nation. From grade school on up, there is an attempt to build up a strong aversion to Nazism and fascism, so any potential connection to the ideology (no matter how tenuous) is seen in an extremely negative light. In my experience, however, this has not so much made the Germans renounce their views as much as it has made them hide them; particularly among the elderly, Again, this is purely anecdotal, so take that with a grain of salt. However, I think that it makes more sense than saying that the German right simply has no fascist or national conservative predilicitons, despite their history and the political makeup of the right in the neighboring countries. I don’t think that Merkel is a closet Nazi or anything like that, but I do fear a potential “grassroots” anti-immigrant movement that places serious restrictions on the liberty of citizens and immigrants.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
You are mischaracterizing Wilders
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 2:41PM EDT (link)and in terms of racial motivations for the BNP, I would be open to looking at some links.
Wilder’s on the Koran has simply made the point that some books with bad stuff in it (Mein Kempf) are banned in the Netherlands. His point it why ban some books and not others? Implicit in that argument (and explicit at his criminal trial) is that books shouldn’t be banned.
There is nothing racial about what Wilder’s is saying. Ideology is not race.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
In Wilder's own words . . .
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 2:52PM EDT (link)“I propose the withdrawal of all hate speech legislation in Europe. I propose a European First Amendment. Freedom of speech is the keystone of our Western civilization, it is the keystone of our democracies and the keystone of our freedom. That is why freedom of speech should be extended instead of restricted. ”
http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2009/02/21/freedom-of-speech-wilders-orwell-and-the-%E2%80%9Ckoran-ban%E2%80%9D/
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
No, there isn't
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 3:16PM EDT (link)To Wilders’ credit, he isn’t a racist. I have also heard his arguments in favor of a US-style amendment for free speech. However, considering that he is gaining traction on banning the Qu’ran, and not on getting said amendment, I think it’s more akin to social conservatives who theoretically want Constitutional government, but favor federal bans on gambling in the interim, or to Ron Paul’s voting against free trade agreements because they aren’t 100% free trade: voting against incremental moves towards freedom (or for incremental moves away from freedom) because of problems with purity are indistinguishable from not favoring that freedom at all.
The BNP’s Deputy Leader said in 1993, “We are 100% racist” in response to a journalist’s question. The party’s founder, John Tyndall, said “Mein Kampf is my Bible.” The BNP’s constitution limited membership to those of “indigenous Caucasian stock” until just a year ago. There’s more than enough evidence to indict the BNP on the charge of racism. Here’s a good site with a panoramic view of the party, its history, and its views. Please click on my link to their home page; it really is loathesome and contradictory to any view of American conservatism. I won’t hold anyone accountable for not knowing about them, and supporting them offhand based on hearsay, but any conservative in a high position who publicly supports them (as Pat Buchanan did) deserves excoriation, just as any leftist who supported any iteration of communism does.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Now that I think about it
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 3:16PM EDT (link)Said conservatives could be talking about the English Defense League. In that case, the charges levied against the group were unfair: I don’t 100% agree with them, but they aren’t fascists, and have publicly disassociated themselves from facists, even burning a Nazi flag at one of their rallies.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
Both Europe and the US could pick from other places
JoeG Monday, October 18th at 12:29PM EDT (link)There is a long list of countries that both the US and Europe could pick from to bring in younger workers.
By no means do I consider this a complete list but here are some:
Korea, Honk Kong, Vietnam, Cambodia, Loas, India, Brazil, Chile, Argentina.
I moved to Germany...
builder20 (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 12:35PM EDT (link)…in April of 2007. I originally planned to stay here for about 15 months, but then I found out how cheap it is to study in Germany in comparison with the States. 75,000 dollars seemed like a good enough incentive to learn a new language!
I had always found it irritating when individuals would move to the States and refuse to learn english or respect our american culture. Therefore when I moved to Germany I put my mind to work and began learning the German language and its various cultural quirks. Some of these quirks I find to have added value to my own life, and at the same time drive me nearly insane.
For example: The Daily planner.
Have you ever called up a friend on a weeknight and asked if they wanted to go see the latest blockbuster? I know in the States I did all the time. Tried that here a couple of times and the answer was always the same. “Oh, tonight is not good…how about…next month…Wednesday the 25th….20:00…sound good?”
Everyone’s lives, even kids, are planned weeks in advance. Even if they do have a free night when you call, the grand majority will not go because Germans seem to need to mentally prepare for events before they can take part in them. At the same time I have learned how to organize my time to the minute if need be. After a while I adjusted and now feel at peace with this cultural quirk.
My observation in regards to the mass immigration in Germany is personal for me because I am also an immigrant in Germany. This is more of a blessing than a curse because I can speak freely about immigrant issues whereas the typical German can not without being labeled a racist Nazi (they HATE that label by the way). And yes, it is wonderful to be in the minority and be able to open my mouth without being labeled a meeny poo-poo head.
I speak German with a thick American accent, which is “cool” apparently, and that allows me to come quickly into contact with people from all backgrounds here. I also volunteer as a Betreuer at a Hauptschule (think dummy/wild child/immigrant kid school) here, which has a allowed me a significant view into the lives of immigrant children as well. Immigrants fall into 4 different groups, or variants thereof, when in Germany.
1. Those who have integrated into German culture.
2. Those who are trying to.
3. Those who wish to retain their culture by living in their own cultural “bubble” in Germany.
4. Those who are actively trying to force their culture into dominance over German culture through law, legislation, or intimidation.
The immigrants of group number one are virtually invisible. They don’t make a fuss and go about their lives side by side and indistinguishable from their fellow Germans. They go to school, find a berufung, and live their lives full of urlaub and the occasional Colaweizen at the local Kneipe.
Group number two, of which I am a member, are typically those first generation immigrants who did not speak the language when they arrived. There are many language and cultural courses that can be (extremely cheaply) taken to help them integrate into German society. This groups children normally enter into the world and view themselves as fully german with an “X” cultural background. They speak German fluently with no accent, and think like Germans. They can also equally celebrate both their parents and german culture with little to no complications.
Group number three is where things start to get interesting. It is natural for people to stick together with people of like tastes and mentality. When large groups of people immigrated to Germany, the Turks for example, many of them carved out little Turkeys (no pun intended) within Germany. They learned little to no German, and were quite content to remain Turks within Germany. Some of this was due to the fact that they believed that they would only be in Germany for a short period of time. Where the tragedy comes is when these first generation Turks began to have kids. The problems for them are:
a. They can not speak German properly. Their parents either did not speak the German language with them, or spoke it so poorly that their kids were already academically handicapped once they entered school.
b. Once in school they typically end up in the lower tier schools because they don’t have the necessary language skills to succeed. After the 4th grade your teacher choose if you go to Gymnasium (Smart School), Realschule (Normal school), or Hauptschule (Low academic proficiency school).
c. These kids end up feeling not apart of the German culture, at worst abused by it, but tragically they are also NOT accepted when they go back to Turkey. They are for all means and purposes “lost boys”.
d. They get out of school, (possibly) find a low wage menial job or go on unemployment (because it pays better) and then repeat the process when they have children of their own.
A truly horrible cycle that “Multikulti” allowed happen. My downstairs neighbor, and Italian woman, lived in Germans for 20 YEARS and after 7 months in country I could speak german better than her. Inconceivable!
Now group number four pisses almost everyone off. ESPECIALLY the secular Turks. They dislike Islam more than most people, and it drives the ones I know crazy to see what is happening in Germany. They understand what extremist islam means and want nothing to do with it.
This group wants to eliminate the cultural quirks that make Germany german because it offends them. Everything said and done is a slight to them.
It is group four that the German people have the biggest problem with. It is this group that label germans as “far-right” for being upset when their treasured cultural heritage is trashed on. Especially since germans have done their political, financial, and emotional best to integrate group four into their culture. Only to be called the names “Schweinfleischfresser”, or “Kartoffel” for their hospitality.
As long as Merkel clearly separates germanys feelings towards group one and two from three and four. Works on the issue of number three, and kicks all of group four out of Germany then I think everything will be okay.
But more than likely they will do what Germans do best. Write thousands of new nearly indecipherable regulations, then write more regulations for those regulations, and finally create a pile of documents (in 30 different languages) for people to fill out. Problem solved! Richtig!
Did I mention that Germans LOOOOVE paperwork? It’s another cultural quirk that I am still trying to get used to…
This is a great post
aesthete (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 1:33PM EDT (link)And matches my observations when I was there from 2004-2007. That said, it would be a mistake to think that the right, particularly the far-right, in Germany is concerned mostly with group 4. The “right” in continental Europe, as Dan notes, developed on radically different lines from that of English/US conservatism post-Burke, with origins in the French feudal-bureaucratic state. Generally speaking, this means that the right in Europe is both very authoritarian and collectivist, in that it sees people as members of groups, rather than as individuals in their own right. The very few times I got to speaking about politics with Germans (they are more private about their politics than we are), especially those of the far right, I’ve heard particularly loathesome ideas and generalizations about all immigrants that liberally tarred those in groups 2-4 (sometimes 1-4, as well) as all being part of group 4. Continental Europe has never been all that good at accepting new immigrants: they’re not pre-disposed to understanding or sympathizing with transitionary “immigrant culture” as settler nations like the US/Aussieland/Canada are, and their citizens typically share the same experiences and viewpoints (as is not the case in places like Israel). Hopefully, this European backlash will limit itself to those in group 4, but historically (and given the various characteristics of continental Europe), those immigrants in all groups have found themselves targets of European wrath.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
At least group four knows a few German words.
blooch Monday, October 18th at 1:34PM EDT (link)At least enough to keep from eternal damnation by accidentally eating something with Schweinfleisch in the Rohstoffe.
lol
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
In Switzerland a year
JakePrime (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 9:22AM EDT (link)Not to threadjack, but I’m still having a tough time wrapping my head around the dailly planner, as you call it. Seriously, the Swiss plan the slightest thing weeks ahead of time!
I find Switzerland to be in a very place from Germany and many of the other European nations in the immigration regard. They are not big proponents of immigration in general and are very proud, not really of their national identity, but of their regional identity. They have, as far as I know, the most federal system of government in the western world.
They do not have any issues with muslim immigrants, as their immigration policy is so restrictive. However, they are very cautious, worried even, of what is happening in Germany, France, etc and are trying to get ahead of the game. The recent Minaret ban and potential Burqa ban are symptoms of this worry.
In Switzerland a year
JakePrime (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 9:22AM EDT (link)Not to threadjack, but I’m still having a tough time wrapping my head around the dailly planner, as you call it. Seriously, the Swiss plan the slightest thing weeks ahead of time!
I find Switzerland to be in a very place from Germany and many of the other European nations in the immigration regard. They are not big proponents of immigration in general and are very proud, not really of their national identity, but of their regional identity. They have, as far as I know, the most federal system of government in the western world.
They do not have any issues with muslim immigrants, as their immigration policy is so restrictive. However, they are very cautious, worried even, of what is happening in Germany, France, etc and are trying to get ahead of the game. The recent Minaret ban and potential Burqa ban are symptoms of this worry.
Sweden has begun to answer this
Castor (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 12:52PM EDT (link)The Swedish Democrat Party which wishes to block further muslim immigration and deport muslims who will not integrate went from 0 to 20 seats in the last elections for parliament!
Yes, similar movements/elections have occurred
throwback59 Monday, October 18th at 3:55PM EDT (link)in Holland and Austria as well. Europe, the land of my ancestors is dying, over run by people who will not assimilate but want to dominate. While the far right may be a bit crude for our tastes, if they can force the goverment to take the proper steps, so be it.
Did they refuse to speak Austrain? /nt
Incredible (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 6:36PM EDT (link)“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” Thomas Jefferson
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"Austrian" is only considered a language inside
throwback59 Monday, October 18th at 10:24PM EDT (link)the White House.
That Was Good
edintexas Tuesday, October 19th at 10:39AM EDT (link)Indulging in sarcasm. Doing it quite well, too.
The Guestworker Problem
indyjohn Monday, October 18th at 3:46PM EDT (link)is a typical unintended consequence of the Social Democratic State. Generous welfare payments always reduce the incentive for natives to accept work that requires physical labor and low pay. Since natives can’t be found to do essential jobs, like trash collection, governments must look outside of the country for employees. In Germany, this meant encouraging the immigration of Southern Italians and Turks. These immigrants were always in a rather untenable position. They were never particularly welcome, but were considered a necessary evil. They had no particular reason to assimilate, because they were never officially citizens. They existed in an odd sort of stateless limbo – a critical part of the country, but not really part of it. Decades of this policy, and Leftist PC, have created the unpleasant condition that exists now.
But what is liberty without wisdom, and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without tuition or restraint.
Edmund Burke
And GW wanted to create precisely the same system here
Next93 (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 7:31PM EDT (link)The whole idea of the “guest worker” program is toxic. It simply doesn’t make sense to have 12 million people working here who have no stake in the future of the country.
I’m not crazy about people who think we should implement social programs simply because they “work” in Europe (particularly since when you look at the larger picture, they actually don’t), but maybe it would be a good idea to look at the programs that have FAILED in Europe, and avoid making the same mistakes here. Like guest workers.
Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.
Multiculturalism is cultural suicide
Next93 (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 6:30PM EDT (link)Why would anyone vote for a politician who didn’t have the confidence (or the spine) to stand up and say he was a better choice than his opponent? Yet we expect the flower of our culture to be willing to give their lives to protect a society that can’t bring itself to say its values are the ones we expect people living within our own borders to abide by. And once the youth decide that their society isn’t worth defending, you’ve basically thrown open the city gates and invited the visigoths inside.
Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.
As long as we’re indulging in intellectual taboos....
Next93 (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 7:25PM EDT (link)I keep hearing that the terrorists represent a lunatic fringe element in Islam and not the mainstream. Problem is, I never hear anything to back that up, and frankly, I just don’t believe it anymore.
My family lived in the south in the 60’s, and while it’s true that most people down there wouldn’t have *dreamed* of joining the klan, the truth is that a majority of people (or a close approximation of a majority) quietly believed that the klan was doing work that needed to be done. Despite the best efforts of the US government, national and international scorn, and any number of northern agitators, the klan didn’t go away until that attitude went away.
The Muslims we saw dancing in the streets on 9/11 weren’t the lunatic fringe, and they weren’t Astroturf bussed in by the Mullahs for the benefit of international TV cameras. They were “mainstream” Muslims who watched the slaughter of thousands of unbelievers at the hands of the True Faithful and rejoiced, because they beleived (and STILL beleive) that a great deed had been done in the best Islamic tradition. To my mind, THAT was the true face of Islam in the 21st century.
Now, if someone can show me something that would change my mind, I’d be happy to hear it. But I won’t be holding my breath.
Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.
I think DC's Jim Treacher parodies that mindset best
hippiessmell Monday, October 18th at 7:42PM EDT (link)The way he inserts ‘Not All…’ in front of every headline where Muslims commit some violent crime is hilarious. Especially the most recent item where he criticized O’Reilly for not following his Not All Muslims rule on the View when those two squawking hens Goldberg and Behar walked off the set.
Leftism is just the latest incarnation of the decaying feudal system with its top-down paternalistic management of people’s lives–a system of having the “betters” take care of the dependent serfs, with the serfs surrendering their wealth, freedoms and choices.
Kowalski - I appologize for the threadjack
Next93 (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 8:10PM EDT (link)After re-reading the above, I realized it doesn’t belong in this thread. Sorry.
Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.
Not Utterly Unrelated
edintexas Tuesday, October 19th at 10:42AM EDT (link)There is more than a modicum of relationship between those of whom you write and the “Level 4″ residents in Germany written about earlier in the comments (and quite possibly many of “Level 3″ also).
Back to America
superamerican (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 11:13AM EDT (link)Bringing this back to America. 1) there is no empirical evidence that I’ve seen that “diversity” is good for anyone other than those profiting from it. STOP! and 2) along with immigration should be the requirement that immigrants do in fact assimilate. It has worked here in America for all immigrants except. 1) Indians who were put on reservations and not assimilated (so what if they immigrated before the “white man”? and 2) African Americans (slaves were immigrants just not voluntary ones). They have been used for generations by those profiting by power or money by their lack of assimilation. Let your people go Jackson, Sharpton, Obama. Let them assimilate, let them succeed, let them fail. I have confidence in them even if you don’t.
If Muslims can’t assimilate (culturally, not religiously) sent’em home.
http://www.periodictablet.com
Does Merkel speak for
timchgo9 (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 12:37PM EDT (link)the majority of the German people? My oldest is currently stationed over there, preparing to go to Afghanistan. We were talking this morning about Merkel’s comments. He said he had heard them, and from what he can see of the local people, and what he can glean from the news, public opinion seems to be behind Frau Merkel’s remarks. He said he has met quite a few Germans (and, since my family is largely of German decent) who have problems with immigrants, especially those from Muslim nations. One person he spoke with said that “Germany is losing it’s identity, and needs to do something about it”. Even though Germany, through much of history has been maligned as a militant aggressor, there is much in German culture to feel good about.
The remark that was made about guest workers going home when there are no jobs has merit. This is an extreme example, but after WWI when the German economy was struggling, Gustav Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach, head of the Krupp firm discharged all foreign workers that had been working at his steel mills during the war. Any German who was on the payroll prior to the start of the war was kept on, everyone else was given two weeks pay, and train fare back to wherever they came from, in the case of the many Poles, Austrians, and other Eastern Europeans that were working for Gustav’s firm. Many of them took immediate advantage, probably fearing persecution if they stayed. (Source: “The Arms of Krupp” by William Manchester)
My son has told me that during his visits of the German countryside during weekend passes and what not, was kind of a disappointment. He said that if you want to see “real Germany” you have to stay out of the cities, and visit the countryside. The larger urban areas don’t seem all that “German”…. Not sure what anyone else has noted, but that was his view.
There are many Europeans worried about their cultural, and heritage disappearing. I have spoke with a few folks from the UK, and it is a big concern within their country, as way, way too many British politicians want to appease and pacify the Muslims and give them what they want. The same holds true in other parts of Europe.
“Chairman of the Awkward Squad”
Important read, dan and some great comments
Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 5:05PM EDT (link)which I’ll print out and read again….after Nov 2. Europe is perfectly capable of another Kristallnacht, and like the first, with no Christian underpinnings. It does no good hereto make conjecture as to how that might work out…for it will be one of state endeavor, or popular endeavor….which in a generally godless environment there, is the blind leading the blind. This is what happens when you toss away the only real fixed star in your sky only to find your man-made sextant doesn’t work. Merkel only stated the obvious.
Russia is living proof of the long way back, still going in the wrong direction, East Europe at least two generations from finding the original path though headed back by all my benchmarks.. All we can do, since we know the star, is to be able to watch and say what will work and what will not work.
Excellent.
Alyssa Kaeding (Diary) Tuesday, October 19th at 10:41PM EDT (link)Great post! Dinesh D’Souza talks a lot about “bogus multiculturalism” in his books and Thomas Sowell just had an article out today on townhall.com about the same thing. It is a very fascinating subject that more people must be aware of. America became successful because the immigrants who came here WANTED to be American citizens. They learned the language and adopted some of our habits. Did they give up all of their ancestry? Of course not. But they learned something crucial: Becoming an American is embracing a set of ideals. Those ideals are what enable them to have a significantly better life in the US than they could have had anywhere else in the world.
Germans and Americans Fail
Donald Ayotte (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 9:19AM EDT (link)Multiculturalism will fail when a fresh new culture that is needed for labor attempts to replace the core values and religion of the existing indigenous peoples. France is also being severely threatened in a similar fashion.
You address a very important point; the solution however is a difficult one to address if no impossible.
America has a similar problem on our southern borders, now exacerbated by violent attacks on our citizens by thug and drug cartels who cannot be controlled by their government. We can expect this problem to worsen quickly due to the inaction of a weak-kneed president couple with the polarity in America between two existing political ideologies.
The president will not take a stand when our citizens our enjoying themselves jet skiing on a border lake in Texas are murdered for no apparent reason other than they “bothered” a drug cartel operation.
We have a serious problem and it will get much worse.