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If Obama's Tax Deal Tanks, He's Hobbled And Quacking

What will happen to Barack Obama’s presidency if his tax compromise is shot down with the help of his own party? The House Democratic caucus just voted against it, which puts the deal on life support, at best. Can Obama recover from that?

One of the great questions of the past two years, ever since it became obvious that Democrats would suffer significant setbacks in the 2010 elections, was how President Obama would respond to life with a Republican Congress (or, as it turns out, a Republican House and a weakened Democratic majority in the Senate). On the one hand, you have the fact that Bill Clinton managed to use the “triangulation” strategy to win re-election in 1996, and surely Obama is capable of being equally cold-bloodedly dismissive of his now-depleted Congressional troops. On the other hand, Obama is naturally much more ideological than Clinton and doesn’t have Clinton’s deft political touch, his decade-long track record as an executive or his experience winning multiple elections outside deep-blue territory, all of which suggests that even if the spirit is willing, Obama may not be competent at executing the same strategy.

Bowing to the results of the 2010 election, Obama has taken at least some tentative, temporary steps towards accomodation with the center. The first of these, which already irritated his base, was the announcement of a “pay freeze” for federal workers (actually just a freeze on annual cost-of-living salary adjustments). Now, he’s struck a deal that gives GOP leadership nearly everything it had asked for on taxes – a two-year extension of all the Bush income tax rate cuts, a payroll tax cut, and a lower estate tax than what would return under current law after the 2010 moratorium in the tax, all in exchange for extending unemployment benefits as far out as three years for some recipients.

Now, both liberals and conservatives are up in arms against the deal, and it’s hard to see how it passes even the House when the Democratic caucus is against it. What happens if the deal falls through?

The merits of the deal, from the GOP side, are debatable. What’s really needed to kick-start the economy is to improve the long-term returns on investment, and more temporary tax cuts aren’t going to help that any more than the “stimulus” did, because you can’t plan long-term investments around two years of tax policy. On the other hand, tax hikes right now would be a very bad thing, so while the tax cut extension isn’t going to help, failing to extend the cuts would only make things worse. As for extending unemployment benefits, anyone with basic knowledge of human nature knows that many people will work harder to find new work if their benefits are ending, so you’re laying out a bunch more cash for a net economic negative. I’m in the camp that accepts that lengthy unemployment benefits can certainly be justified, and conservatives have better and more politically feasible targets to take on government spending, but you have to start by acknowledging the costs of the extension. Anyway, from a conservative perspective, the deal may not be great but it’s hard to see how the GOP could get a better deal right now, while still not in control of any House of Congress, and while a better deal might be doable in January, that’s a risky play.

From the liberal perspective, the deal stinks – opposition to the Bush tax cuts has been an article of faith on the Left for a decade, and more broadly speaking, reductions in the top marginal tax rates has been anathema to liberals since Reagan. The case in its favor is that the deal breaks the legislative logjam (the GOP is holding up the entire lame duck session over taxes) at only temporary cost, and like the pay freeze does nothing to obstruct the long-term growth of government at the expense of the private sector.

At any rate, the incensed reaction from quarters like Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow has liberal/progressive activists aflame, and with the House vote there appears now a real chance that Obama – who is furiously trying to sell the deal, with his whole White House communications operation touting it – won’t be able to deliver enough votes from his own party to pass both Houses, putting him at the mercy of conservative hardliners like Jim DeMint who argue that the deal should be scuttled in favor of a new round of negotiations in January after the GOP assumes control of the House.

Obama has assumed thus far that getting the deal passed over outraged opposition from the Left will only help him, in the way that welfare reform did for Clinton, but without having to swallow any policy changes that last past 2012 – it will make him look more moderate, he’s counting on liberals hating the next GOP nominee too much to stay home in 2012, and he knows that he faces no real risk of a primary challenge because African-American voters will remain a loyal firewall in the primaries no matter what he does.

But as I wrote of George W. Bush in the aftermath of the somewhat similar collapse of the Harriet Miers nomination, it’s always foolhardy to pick a fight in politics without considering whether it’s a fight worth losing, and ultimately harder to win if everybody knows you can’t afford to lose. Obama has already incurred all the costs of winning this battle – he showed a new willingness to cave in to the GOP, and enraged his base. Both of those things will be true whether the compromise package passes or not. But if the deal is tanked by the likes of Bernie Sanders and Barney Frank, where does that leave Obama? I’m sure I’m forgetting someone, but I can’t recall another President who cut a major bipartisan deal on a major legislative priority in his first term and had it collapse; the two major first-term failures that come to mind (Clinton’s healthcare plan and BTU tax) had no significant GOP support. Bush, you’ll recall, went to great lengths to get No Child Left Behind and Medicare Part D passed, and his legislative disasters – Miers, Dubai Ports, Social Security, immigration – were all in his second term.

The obvious lesson, if the deal collapses, will be that Obama can’t deliver anything – he can be pushed into compromise with GOP priorities, as he wouldn’t before the election, but he can’t bring along his own caucus, which has suffered so many losses for following his lead. Liberals will learn that they are better off striking their own distance from an unpopular and increasingly impotent leader. And heavy liberal opposition to the deal will make it impossible to blame DeMint or Republicans for the collapse, and will encourage conservatives to push for even fewer compromises with Obama in 2011. That calculus of legislative forces will make it hard for Obama to plan for the other leg of the Clinton strategy, a budget battle in which the GOP blinks. Obama can try to use the whole mess to argue that “Washington is broken” and all that, but it’s a hard argument to make from the Rose Garden.

By failing to ensure ahead of time the support of his own caucus, President Obama may have shot himself in the foot in dealing with the Republican-controlled House even before the new majority is sworn in.

COMMENTS

  • izoneguy

    House Democrats defy Obama on tax cut bill

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/09/house-democrats-defy-obama-on-tax-cut-bill/

  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    If the Bush cuts expire and taxes do indeed rise, I am wondering if there would be any impetus from either side to put them back in place come 2011. The Republicans would be free to start from square one on a tax package since the Bush rates would no longer exist to be renewed and Obama and the D’s would not want to capitulate so fast to new Republican demands (assuming there were new ones). The interesting thing would be what would happen to the dollar should it look like no deal can get pulled off once rates rise, because whether we like it or not, there are two ways to get our fiscal house in order (ie cut spending and/or raise taxes). So, with a (hopefully) new spending cutting regime in January, coupled with no tax deal, we could close our longer term budget problems pretty quickly (even if growth would take a temporary hit from the tax hike, I am not sure it causes a double dip).

    • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

      on this news. Unbelievable. Obama has just been exposed as a completely crippled. The dems will now be seen as killing this bill and they are going to pay dearly with the public for it. We need to fix this tax issue because it has real and tangible effects on people, including myself. I can’t believe they did this, are they trying to commit suicide?

      • izoneguy

        They just did. This is the democrats “Jim Jones” moment…..

        Let’s whip up a killer batch of Kool Aid to finish them off in January.

      • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

        The latest rumor is that Reid put the Build America Bonds back in the US Senate version. The House Dems may well be holding out for BABs in their version as well…

      • Common_Cents
    • realskinny

      Assuming no tax law change, the first paycheck in January for almost everyone with a job will contain large increases in withholding—ranging from 100% for those at the bottom to 10% for those at the top. Considering about half of the country pays almost no attention to politics or the news, this is going to come as a huge shock. The propaganda media has been talking about tax “cuts” when they should have been talking about tax “increases”. Many people are going to be very, and unpleasantly, surprised.

      The Republican House can announce they are going to rescue everyone, pass a “clean” bill making 2010 rates the law retroactive to January 1st and send it to Reid. If the Dems delay it they will be toast in 2012. Obama can sign it and try to take credit for “saving” the country or veto it and become the most reviled man in the USA.

      This all depends on the Senate Reps not giving away the farm in a pre-emptive surrender.

      • Death_of_the_Donkey

        A realization by markets that no tax deal is getting done leads to a strengthening dollar than causes gas prices to fall precipitously (along with many other imports), thus reducing the impact of the tax hikes on the vast majority of Americans and shoring up our fiscal problems at the same time (assuming the R’s still cut spending). After a brief lull in GDP growth (but still remaining positive), the economy reignites, as with less government debt to buy banks have to start lending to business again and a now reduced inflation picture allows interest rates to stabilize at historically low levels. Risk of US fiscal problems down the road is greatly reduced, which again spurs foreign and domestic investment in American and the economy takes off again (this time without government input).

        It may be far fetched, but it is definitely possible.

        • http://www.scragged.com petrarch

          I suppose I could see your scenario, IF the extra money went to deficit or debt reduction. Do we really think that’s likely?

          • Death_of_the_Donkey

            cannot constrain themselves this time, I think they are done as a political party.

          • IJB

            If the GOP fails to constrain spending this time, it’s not the Republican Party that collapses but the ENTIRE American political system.

            We are two years (or less) from riots in the streets. These guys have one last shot to get it right. If they blow it… I think that’s the whole ballgame.

        • itrytobenice

          Under this kind of analysis, tax rates have no effect on economic activity. If you raise my taxes from 20% to 40%, I just go right on plugging along like nothing ever happened and you get twice as much money.

          There is another diary on RS right now that shows you in a pretty little picture why this is stupid. I’ll try to link it here: Diary

          I think it is safer to assume that if they don’t try to pluck every last feather off the goose, the goose will thrive and produce more golden eggs. Ds seem determined to kill the goose with their incessant plucking.

    • rdelbov

      situation. Obama okayed a deal with just the republicans? Are there no adults in the White House? Biden was a US senator for 36 years so maybe he had a clue about how congress operates? Its a insult for a President to speak for the congressional side of his party.

      The House democrats become toothless or non players in January. This their last moment in the sun. In January the 193 house democrats are footnotes-especially with 9.8% unmployment plus 10 or 15 blue dogs who are unreliable votes for liberal causes.

      So let come January we can redo all this or do a new something.

      This is just a heck of a mess from a legislative standpoint. Pelosi may also be thumbing her nose at Boehner and his nice arranged house schedule for 2011. Its her way of saying “not so fast guys-the 1st woman to become Speaker of the house is in charge”.

      I do note that is was voice vote for her caucus. The vote probably went like this “All in favor of rejecting the Obama/Boehner compromise say “Aye”. The motion being passed I move to adjourn”. What a joke-a voice vote.

  • audax

    and Mr. Mclaughlin, here is an excellant review from Jeffery Lord at American Spectatrt re same…

    http://spectator.org/archives/2010/11/09/mark-levin-and-the-book-that-c/

  • http://www.facebook.com/BigGator5 BigGator5

    MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHaHaHahahahahaha!!!

    This is the first time he has sent something to House Democrats and they reject it wholesale. Up until this point, he’s let them lead. The proof is in the pudding: Obama is an empty suit.

  • skorrent1

    You say: “extending unemployment benefits as far out as three years for some recipients”, but I’ve heard it described (by Rush) as an extention of the 99 week provision for those who have been unemployed for less than 99 weeks, without which they would lose benefits at 52 weeks, or some such. The latter would be a much easier sell (status quo) to the TEA party types.

    • The_Gadfly

      They have to pass the bill so they can find out what’s in it.

      /end snark.

      Seriously, there’s no way to make this an easier sell to Tea party types. I know, I am one of them. Like social security, there is no money left in the unemployment insurance coffers. Which means all of that spending has to come out of current receipts. Of which there were not enough before this latest boondoggle came through.

      So the debt, which is already precipitously perched near the tipping point (as in Greece and Ireland bailout type tipping point only there’s nobody bigger than the US to bail us out).

      Alternatively, you could just pass the cost on to companies in the form of higher unemployment taxes, which sort of takes the wind out of whatever minimal job creation impetus you get out keeping the income tax rates where they are now.

      We may swallow hard, hold our noses and accept it, but there needs to be something in it for us. Maintaining the status quo doesn’t meet that requirement.

      • jimbo2

        Pelosi was implying the bill would need to be passed for OTHERS (specifically opponents that kept confusing the issue) to find out what’s in it. She knew darn well what was in the bill and liked it. No politician could ever be dumb enough to say, into a microphone, what you think she said.

        • The_Gadfly

          Not a darn one of them read the bill and everybody knows it. Now I will grant she was smart enough not to explicitly say it, but when I’m channeling people for humor, I don’t put lies in the words I’m attributing to them, even if they did when they originally spoke.

        • gekster

          After a year, things are still being found out.

    • edintexas

      And I also assumed he knew what he was talking about (unlike the New START Treaty, where he truly doesn’t know his posterior from his elbow). But that same evening FNC was reporting the extension applied across the board. Between the two, I decided it was more likely than not that FNC had the resources (including people dedicated to the politics on Capital Hill), and time, to find out exactly what was in the proposed bill. That could have been incorrect, but all other reports I have heard/read have agreed with the FNC position.

  • nessa

    …could address all these issues. Has anyone heard plans for one?

  • msctex

    This is a wonderful Christmas present, intentions be damned. We’ll get a retroactive package from the grownups in a month, and even the most hard to convince Independents now must see that the only way to get your money back from a Democrat, once it is within their grasp, is to do away with the Democrat.

    • clydehorsesense

      In one fell swoop the dimlibs have established themselves as the true party of NO and the ones unwilling to compromise. This is going to have a big impact on the independent voters when they are slammed by higher taxes on Jan 1 and there is no question who to blame. Not to mention the 20 million additional taxpayers who will get hit by the AMT in 2010 and then there’s those who will no longer get paid not to work (not to mention the turmoil it will cause in the markets).

      This is such a gift that I can’t believe they won’t eventually pass it anyway as they come to grips with their stupidity. However, even if they do pass it, the longer they hold out the worse they look to everyone but the few dimlibs still living in la la land.

  • http://www.inthisdimension.com inthisdimension

    … and our ability to get anything done internationally now that even the Left begins to understand this Emperor has no clothes…?

    … gonna be bad for the little guys out there.

    Good work, Dems!

    Kissinger on Carter: “The Carter administration has managed the extraordinary feat of having, at one and the same time, the worst relations with our allies, the worst relations with our adversaries and the most serious upheavals in the developing world since the end of the Second World War.”

    Obama has seen Carter and raised him: The worst relations with the American People and the worst relations with Congress. And, of course, about to confront his own Cuban Missile Crisis with his buddy Chavez putting MRBMs in Venezuela, The Messiah has no clue. Wonder how he’ll rephrase Carter’s statement about Brezhnev: “He lied to me”? Wonder if he’ll go to DefCon Two and tell Hugo to pull ‘em down… or leave America at risk. We already KNOW that the huggy-kissy-duo of Ahmanutjob and Chavez will ensure Ugo has Iranian nukes for his MRBMs, right? Obama still going to high-five the guy next time around? Or send B-52s to their Fail Safe points as JFK did that October? What do YOU think?

    Well, with an obvious-to-everyone-on-the-planet INCOMPETENT and now neutered President… not much is going to be looking-up for The One … or America… any time soon.

    Two questions remain:

    1. Will Progs finally begin to awaken to the fact that their ideas and pre-adolescent policies and leadership ALWAYS FAIL?

    2. 25th Amendment, anyone?

    • napensnake

      at the end of this post is completely inappropriate. Unless you are referring to impeachment, you have crossed a line. No matter how much you disagree with the president, your implication is unacceptable. Liberals often use such references. Conservatives should be above this.

  • acat

    Obama is showing himself to be a terrible president, never mind the illusion of genius he pulled off during the campaign. (fooling enough of the people for enough of the time…)

    With this latest exposure of his incompetence, it becomes even more likely for a center-left Dem (or a Dem who is believably center-left) to challenge him for the nomination .. assuming it isn’t all decided in a smoke-filled room before then.

    This is where Assange comes in. The best anti-Obama candidate was, until Wikileaks, Hillary. At this point, though, the leaks have shown her to be exactly what conservatives have known she is all along…. and now that it’s all out in public, the anti-Hillary campaign ads just about write themselves.

    Just a thought.

    Mew

    • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

      It may be the case that wikileaks weakens a potential Clinton campaign. It also highlights how bad some antagonist nations are, especially relative to the United States. In this way, I think that it bolsters a lot of conservative arguments. The Obama administration has mishandled the case as well, demonstrating themselves to be incompetent. John Bolton’s star has never burned more brightly.

      These are all good things, but the trade-offs (e.g. the potential for less international stability) have to be taken into account, and I think that there will be a number of significant, negative downstream effects.

      Even more importantly, the achievement of desired ends does not justify illegal and immoral means, and thanking Assange, Manning, et al is akin to saying that the ends do justify the means.

      That’s my two cents.

      • acat

        ..is, to this cat, a clearly identifiable silver lining.

        The PUMA factor alone would give Hillary a very strong start should she decide to challenge Obama .. and while we have a very good stable of potential candidates this year, there’s a big difference between running against a failed president and the wife of a fondly remembered one. …

        Mew

        • itrytobenice

          He’s still got 90% support levels among blacks and unless another black guy wins the primary against him – and that ain’t gonna happen – the Ds would lose the black vote in the general. That would not only spell defeat for them in the Presidential race, but the blacks would probably just stay home, wiping out their seats in the Senate/House/Gov/State Races/all the way down to dog catcher.

          • acat

            … to get rid of a sitting POTUS. (which is why I mentioned smoke-filled back rooms…)

            I’ve predicted for a while – and have a side wager – that Obama will not be the Dem nominee for 2012.

            If the economy still looks this bleak in late 2011, watch the Dem house members very, very closely.

            Mew

          • jrfoleyjr

            …is Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, with Der Schlickmeister stumping hard for her. As SOS she is picking up all sorts of foreign policy experience that she claimed and lacked during the last presidential election cycle. Der Schlickmeister really wants to be able to once again have sex in the oval office, even if it is only when Hillary is elsewhere on state business.

            The big question is whether Hillary would have a kennel built in the White House basement for the her horn-dog if she becomes president.

            Hillary will be seen as the salvation of the socialist Democrat party after what the O’bama regime has done. Democrats make changes “gradually”, not in lump chunks where it is painfully obvious.and causes damage to the party, as evidenced by public reactions to O’bama and the regime.

    • texan4america

      Incompetent is not even a close word for what Obama is. Saw a great ad for a T-Shirt: January 20, 2013: End of an error!

      What was this country thinking when they elected Obama? Simple — they were not thinking at all. McCain would have been pretty lousy, but nothing to compare with what Obama is. Sad state of affairs.

  • Kyle-MI

    House Dems to middle class, “Go take a long walk off of a short pier.” I am sure there are other less family friendly ways to say this.

    Is essence the Dems care more about increasing taxes on the rich then they care about middle class tax relief. All this talk from the Dems about caring for the middle class is shown to be the scam it has always been.

    Nothing is more important to the Dems then class warfare (except maybe abortion). They are Captain Ahab and this is their Moby Dick.

    • Scope

      The Dems really don’t, and never did, care about the middle class, as was seen with the Stimulus, any of them. They care only about the Union Class.

      • izoneguy

        The dems are really mad because they have been expecting tax rates to go up for 10 years now. All of their re-distribution plans were based on higher taxes. What they did not plan for is how the voters would react to crap like ObamaCare & the “stimulus”…….

        2012 will rush up & smack the liberal democrats this time.

        All the dems will have left are the hardcore socialists in the CBC.

  • jimbo2

    “Obama has taken at least some tentative, temporary steps towards accomodation with the center.”

    So a Democratic President relenting on the bedrock promise of his presidential campaign, to extend a tax credit to the only sector of the economy capable of saving (which they will, since demand is low and thus job-creators have no incentive to expand/hire), is now viewed as a “tentative” step toward the center?

    Expanding temporary tax cuts for upper income brackets is a Republican position. But around these parts, apparently, it takes Obama only from socialist to quasi-socialist. I’m new around here, so that will be a good axiom to keep in mind.

    • clydehorsesense

      So if an arsonist and I come to a mutual two party compromise, I won’t shoot you if you don’t set my house on fire, does that make him less of an arsonist? Don’t you think even quasi-arsonist is a bit generous because instead of burning down N houses, he ends up burning N-1 houses in his career?

      Clearly burning down one less house is a good thing but the arsonist is still out there. Granted, there are a lot more people in a position to stop him now than before but he’s still an arsonist that needs to be watched.

    • Dan McLaughlin

      I’d regard that as a more significant step towards the center. As it is, he’s just promising to revisit the issue in two years.

      • izoneguy

        The Republicans won’t go along with any changes Pelosi will want to make. The tax rates will go up Jan 1 and the Republicans will keep introducing bills to make the tax rates permanent – without extending unemployment benefits. Or use what is left of the “stimulus” money to extend benefits. No more spending.

        Put a bill on Obama’s desk every week as the stock market goes down and unemployment goes up……

        By June we should have Obama and what’s left of the dems over a barrel.

    • texan4america

      You can’t be serious? It was in Obama’s PLAN all along that his party would not support the tax extensions — he just wanted to APPEAR to be “playing nice” with the Republicans. Get real.

  • Return to Revolution

    As someone who has absolutely no skill as a politician, it seems obvious even to me that you consult leaders form your own party before making the biggest compromise deal of your presidency.

    With this level of incompetence, it would seem Obama will fail politically regardless of his strategy (triangulation v ideology), though one can’t put anything past the democrats with their army of yellow media carrying their water.

  • usadying

    If the capital gains rate increases Jan 1, there will be a massive stock sell off at the end of December, which could trigger another panic. Since we are in worse financial shape than when Obama took office, that could be our death knell. Obama, who could care less about economics except to re-distribute wealth to his favorite constituents, finally realized that could be the end for him. Hence, the uncharacteristic rush to make a deal with Republicans. The progressives are putting on a good show for their re-election campaigns, but in the end will vote for it. They aren’t going anywhere. It’s not like they are going to support a Republican. What burns me is that the Republicans accepted 13 months of extended unemployment. They violated “Pay as you go” just as much as the Dems. You are on probation, Boehner and McConnell, and you just lost me.

    • IJB

      If Congressional Dems pull a stunt like that, I think the Nutroots, et al. would finally wash their hands of the Dems and move, en masse, to the Green Party.

      Having now gone on record that they will oppose Obama’s deal, I don’t think they can turn around and vote for it.

      • Scope

        and added all kinds of green crap to appease the environmentalist wackos. It’s reported on the Hill today as a bipartisan deal because Chuck Grassley is all for it. There’s that name once again- Chuck Grassley. He voted for the destructive food bill, he pushed for the Pigford II payout, he supports the extension of subsidies for ethanol, and now supports a sweetened for the Liberals tax bill.

        • izoneguy

          But this bill does much more than simply extend tax rates.

          For starters, it includes approximately $200 billion in new deficit spending and stimulus gimmicks. That’s a lot of money that will have to be borrowed from China and repaid by our children and grandchildren. If we’re going to increase spending on new programs, we must reduce other spending to pay for it.

          The bill also only extends rates for two years. We don’t have a temporary economy so we shouldn’t have temporary tax rates. Individuals and businesses make decisions looking at the long-term and we’re not going to create jobs without giving people certainty as to what their taxes will be in future.

          The bill also fails to extend all of the tax rates. It actually increases the death tax from its current rate of zero percent all the way up to 35 percent. One economic study shows that this tax increase alone will kill over 800,000 jobs over the next ten years.

          Finally, the bill now includes dozens of earmarks for special interests, including ethanol subsidies, tax breaks for film and television producers, give aways for Puerto Rican rum manufacturers, favors for auto racing track owners, and a hand out for businesses in American Samoa.

          The President called Republicans “hostage takers” this week but he should be pointing his figure squarely at himself. We’ve known for years that these tax rates were going to expire but he did nothing about it until the last minute. Now Americans are being told they have to accept hundreds of billions in new spending and stimulus gimmicks, an increase the death tax, and a bunch of unnecessary earmarks or their taxes will go up.

          I’m not going to be bullied into voting for things that will hurt our country because politicians in Washington ignored the problem until it was a crisis.

          Many of you fought hard to elect new leaders to the Senate this year with the expectation that they would fight deficit spending, tax hikes, and backroom deals. I take that commitment very seriously and I’m prepared to vote against this bill even if I’m the only one in the Senate to do so.

          I appreciate the efforts made by my party’s leaders to negotiate this deal but I believe Americans deserve much better. This deal should be rejected and then fixed. We can easily extend these tax rates without increasing spending once the new crop of Republican senators, including Pat Toomey, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and Ron Johnson, are sworn in. The President has already conceded that taxes cannot go up and we’ll have more Republicans in Congress in a few weeks to fight for a better deal.

          Thank you for supporting the principles of freedom and for your continued encouragement. I will continue to do my very best to be your voice in the United States Senate.

          • IJB
          • Scope

            I heard Mike Pence on Hannity’s show yesterday saying much the same as DeMint. I’m sure Pence will vote against the bill in the House, and I hope he can talk sense into many more R house members.

            I am now in favor of allowing this to go down in flames also. I thank God for DeMint and Pence, and will now count only on the new incoming members. Boehner, Cantor and McConnell can all shove it.

            If this isn’t the very same thing the Dems did to get Ocare passed, I don’t know what is. If we don’t stop bribing for bills now, it will never end, even among some Republicans.

          • Scope

            so everyone can see what has been added to this bill.

          • izoneguy

            Swindle of the year

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/09/AR2010120904472.html

            I don’t know why the democrats are so angry…….

            Obama is no fool. While getting Republicans to boost his own reelection chances, he gets them to make a mockery of their newfound, second-chance, post-Bush, Tea-Party, this-time-we’re-serious persona of debt-averse fiscal responsibility.

        • doubledok

          Scope et al. -
          No doubt Grassley falls in with Snow and others as a RINO. Tactically, if we can activate some DINOS out of the South, Midwest, Inland Empire of the Norrthwest, and SW – there could be a non-caucus voting majority for the relatively more fiscally conservative neo-Senate.

          Clearly the group that earns the label of RINO changes depending on the issue. The DINO group just got larger in proportion to the Republican shift. At some point. the Independent senators must see the futility of not caucusing with the ascendent Republicans. Add the Republicaqn governorship majority, and the Dem’s either shift to centrist policy AND votes, or take the unsavory gamble of nurturing all their eggs in the basket of failed leadership. I expect many idealogues to go down with the Democratic Titanic, but most put self-interest (i.e. re-election) above ideology.

          If Senate DINOS + 5 > RINOS = recovery
          If Senate DINOS + 5 < RINOS = rioting anarchy

  • doncorleone

    This money grab isn’t new, or isn’t going to stop with increased taxes. Obama knew his base in the congress was not going to let this fly. People hedging/protecting their wealth will continue to go into the precious metals, until the govt. steps in to take it, the lending institutions still flush w/stimulus and profits will have their stash of cash taxed into the 90% range again, that goes for big business too. The big pinata that should worry everyone, is the 401k pool. There’s 27+ trillion dollars in there, obama, clinton, a host of democrats in the house including 1 from my state of Ohio, talked about a govt. takeover of the 401k’s and doling out a soc/security type of stipend every month, no matter how much you had in yours, under the mantra of “spreading the wealth”.

  • LisaDe

    These holier than thou rich liberals who have “absolutely no problem with paying more in taxes because its the right thing to do.”

    Well, one extra line added to the bill would alleviate the big debate.

    “A new tax form will be available to anyone making over $250,000 who would like to voluntarily pay an extra share in taxes for the year 2011.”

    Let THEM put their money where their mouths. Lets see if Pelosi, Wiener, Reid and the rest of them fill out that form. Fat Chance.

    • bk

      Note how all these liberal billionaires are coming out saying they are donating all their goods to “charity” when they die. What a load of crap. That means they’ll avoid estate taxes to put money into a “charitable foundation” they set up to fund left-wing causes, while some poor jerk who spent his life running a successful small business has idiots like Anthony Weiner saying that the government should confiscate all his assets when he dies.

  • tomaso11

    Would these be the same “Bush tax cuts for the RICH!”, as we’ve heard since 2001 and 2003, that, unless extended, result in tax increases for the middle class of thousands of dollars? How can the Bush tax cuts for the RICH expiring cause tax increases for the middle class?

    • texan4america

      Not only will the Bush tax cuts expire — but we will have a total of 32 NEW taxes that affects everybody. And what about the $0.15/gallon tax Obama is proposing on gasoline? You don’t believe that won’t affect everybody? Get in touch.

  • texan4america

    Come on people — you honestly don’t believe that Obama didn’t know his party would not approve the Bush tax cuts extension do you? Of course he knew! That is exactly how Obama will get exactly what he wanted (increased taxes on the “rich”), and who will be able to say that Obama didn’t try? Get real. Of course Obama knew this would not fly. Politics.

  • izoneguy

    Pelosi and the Hostage Fakers

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703766704576009684148164872.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

  • ihateliberals

    why up to now the Democrats haven’t needed the Republicans to do anything. As of right now the Republicans are still the minority party yet the Democrats and the President are acting like the power has already shifted. something really stinks inside the beltway. Another mistaken piece of information is that the extension of the tax rates is a tax cut. This simply is not true. The media continues to misinform the public. All that will happen if the tax rates are extended is NOTHING. January 1st will not be any different than December 31st except for the Hangovers. The extension will mean that the Republicans have stopped catastrophe.

    Obama is throwing his party under the bus to via for re-election in 2012. he intends to run with or without the party support. He is banking on the Republicans making the economy better and then taking the credit as Bill Clinton did to get re-elected. the really scary thing is th he might pull it off. I hope that i am giving him too much credit for thinking this way.

    • izoneguy

      The Democrats are not acting like power “will” shift. They are going full steam ahead to the cliff.
      They are desperate. Yes this is not a “tax cut” – The dems have been spending money that they don’t have counting the days when the evil Bush Tax cuts would throw off the shackles so they could get down to some serious re-distribution of your wealth. As it is the deal sucks because it includes approximately $200 billion in new deficit spending. The “death tax” will still go back up to 35% and this is only a 2 year extension – not a permanent rate.
      I suggest that the House Republicans leave Washington D.C.
      until the 112 Congress is seated. The democrats can pass anything they want. Let’s see who the real “hostage takers” are.

  • cam1

    the deal collapses. If it does, bho will lose his base and the middle and a Republican House can begin to undo the damage.

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  • mspector

    of his own party, if indeed he ever was.

    His handling of this miserable “compromise” has been at best astonishingly amateurish, even assuming he had the power to deliver it in the first place. He did to the radical wing of the Dems what he has done all along to the American people: deliver a fait accompli and expect/demand that everyone will happily hop on board.

    The heatedly combative response of the House Dems is hardly surprising in that sense: they cannot possibly like being treated the way they treat the people they purport to represent.

    But all this makes me wonder about something else: has it been true all along that it has been Pelosi, Reid and their ilk that have been driving this administration? Has Obama always been “just another pretty face” whom they supported because he served their purpose from his nomination forward? Put another way, has the congressional tail been wagging the Presidential dog throughout the last two years?

    Not that I like Obama (never did and never will), nor that I have any particular sympathy for him in his present quandary (it’s all on him), nor that I have any hopes that he will learn anything important from this even though he now touts the benefits of the present tax rates to the economy (too much the arrogant elitist to admit that he has anything to learn).

    But in light of the immediate factionalizing of the Dems over this issue and the coarse language directed his way in the House, I’m just wondering. Who has really been in charge here?

  • izoneguy