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Ten Reflections On Libya

Theory Gives Way To Practice

I had intended to write up a longer or at any rate more organized essay about Libya, but for now, here are my two cents:

1. I was open initially, at least in theory, to the U.S. arming the rebels and enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya, on the theory that we could tip the balance in favor of the rebels without the need to commit ground troops. I don’t buy the theory that the U.S. has no stake in overthrowing Ghadafi* as a matter of national interest, as doing so may advance our broader strategic goal of changing the political structure of the Arab/Muslim world so as to break the status quo in which the only alternatives are (a) terror-sponsoring tyrannies and (b) tyrannies whose only credible opponents are Islamist terrorists. Probably the most glaring omission from the Administration’s arguments in favor of this action is any sense that this is part of a coherent regional or other strategy – nor could it be, given the Administration’s passivity in Egypt and its unwillingness to do anything to support opponents of the much more dangerous and hostile Iranian and Syrian regimes.

I don’t regard regime change in Libya as a sufficiently compelling interest that I’d want to commit ground troops to such a project – nobody has argued that the U.S. had cause or interest in starting a war with Khadaffy, as opposed to joining one in progress – but you don’t commit air assets unless you are willing to contemplate either ground forces to support them or just losing any pilots who get shot down.

2. I’m completely opposed to committing U.S. forces (air, ground, whatever) unless our goal is to destroy Quaddafi’s regime and we are committed to see that through to the end. Bad as Kadafy is, he’s been much more contained in recent years than Saddam ever was – among other things, surrendering his WMD programs to outside inspectors after seeing what George W. Bush did to Saddam – but if left in power after this, he will have much the same desire to make trouble for us that Saddam did after the first Gulf War. And more broadly, as I have explained before, the one indispensable prerequisite for using military force is defining who the enemy is and committing to defeat him. Doing less than that is worse than pointless. Unfortunately, Obama has been (depending how you interpret his oracular pronouncements) vague and/or contradictory on whether we are truly committed to eliminating Gaddafhi’s regime.

3. My openness to a no-fly zone in Libya decreased dramatically when we sat by and did nothing for over two critical weeks while all the rebel-held cities other than Benghazi fell back into the regime’s hands. Now, our arrival may be too little too late. Not only does toppling the regime without a major Allied military commitment look like a longer shot now, but specifically we gave the regime the time to move military assets into those cities. Air power is never more effective than against armored columns traveling in the open desert (Libya isn’t the mountains of Bosnia or the Ho Chi Minh Trail), but the regime is much more entrenched now in those urban positions. Things can change quickly in an unstable situation, but unlike in Afghanistan and Iraq there’s at least a significant chance right now that the regime we’ve bombed will still be standing a year from now, and what then?

In war, a questionable decision made swiftly is often better than a good one made too late. At least Sarah Palin, who supported a no-fly zone weeks before Obama, understood this. If anything, Obama’s reliance on the humanitarian argument (Benghazi will be flattened) suggests that he was more inclined to back the rebels as their chances of victory diminished. I am left with the creeping suspicion that Obama isn’t anti-war so much as he’s uncomfortable with American victory.

4. We also went into this with the average citizen having no clue what kind of people the rebels are, and apparently with U.S. policymakers not knowing a whole lot more. It increasingly appears they may be linked with Al Qaeda and participating in more than the usual atrocities attendant to civil wars in the Arab/Muslim world. Ghadaffy may be a bad guy, but he’s the devil we know, and the prospects for replacing him with something worse look even more problematic than they did in Egypt.

5. I’m fine with us working within NATO, but let’s not pretend that that means any less U.S. commitment. Or that Obama’s coalition is somehow superior to the multinational force in Iraq, which involved many more nations putting boots on the ground. As for going to Congress, there’s interesting Constitutional debate around what powers the President has to act militarily without Congressional approval (almost nobody disputes that he has some) and what power Congress has to restrict his existing Article II powers by statute, but if the Iraq experience convinced me of anything, it’s that Bush – and the mission – would have been in much worse shape in terms of popular support if he hadn’t gone to Congress in advance.

6. I’m not opposed to considering humanitarian concerns – or access to oil, for that matter – as a reason to go to war (they were one of numerous reasons for the Iraq War), but I’m very uncomfortable with using it as the sole justification for a war, especially when we self-evidently are not applying the same standard across the globe. Principles are important, but in the real world you can rarely afford to enforce them consistently; wars are ultimately a matter of national interest, and you can’t turn a principle into an interest just by calling it one. Nobody can possibly take seriously the idea that we are being entirely consistent here (we’ve watched many worse things unfold in sub-Saharan Africa).

7. This whole thing is going to cost a bunch of money. I generally pay little attention to financial cost in decisions about war and peace, on the grounds that if something is worth losing lives over, it’s necessarily going to be worth spending money on as well. But if the calculus here is that knocking out the regime can be done on the cheap, it becomes more relevant to consider the dollars as well.

8. Yes: given that bombing Libya is a close call and depends on a lot of pragmatic factors, it does matter that I don’t have any faith in the current Administration to carry out the fundamentals – i.e., defining the enemy and the objective – competently or in the best interests of the U.S.

9. Polls are showing at most 50% public support for this mission. That can’t be good news for Obama if this doesn’t wrap up quickly; the Iraq War and Vietnam both began with 80% public support (I’ve been reading Steven Hayward’s Age of Reagan, and he cites among other things a May 1967 Gallup poll that found only 14% support for withdrawing from Vietnam, compared to 25% support for nuking North Vietnam). If the mission goes badly, Obama will be left with nearly no support.

10. At least having a Democratic president means that we don’t have to listen to idiots arguing that the use of military force is illegitimate because neither the President, the Vice President nor the Secretary of State served in the military. That argument was never the province of remotely serious people anyway, let alone anyone who would use it consistently across partisan lines.

* – Given the absence of an agreed-upon transliteration of his name, I refuse to spell it the same way twice in a row.

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  • andystone

    is the only half-decent way out of Obama’s mess now. It’s become clear by now that Qaddafi has sufficient support in Tripolitania and the rebels in Cyrenaica. No re-union can be effected without major bloodshed and expense.

    On the other hand, partition can be achieved immediately and enforced at little cost. The airforce can easily destroy any armored columns travelling in a demilitarized desert strip.This also gives the rebels time to organize politically and demonstrate what they stand for.

    If, on top of partition, the agreement of both sides could be secured for a referendum with international observers, Obama might even be able to claim a victory out of the whole affair.

    • acat

      That was, after all, his brilliant strategy for Iraq…

      Mew

      • andystone

        Iraq and Libya: boots on the ground.

        • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack
    • streiff

      how, exactly, does that work? You realize the “rebel” held areas aren’t contiguous but rather enclaves, right?

      • acat

        Lots of itsy bitsy enclaves, remaining free only because of the German or French or English or Scottish or, of course, American troops standing between them and their neighboring enclaves….

        Sound nightmarish and expensive in every way possible? Yeah. Sounds like that to me too. Cheaper for the Italians to buy Libya outright…

        Mew

      • andystone

        the rebels control Eastern Libya (AKA Cyrenaica), while Qaddafi has regained control of Western Libya (Tripolitania + Fezzan) with the exception of a couple of small pockets that are basically beyond external help right now. A demilitarized zone around the 19? E meridian would separate the two sides quite clearly along currently held positions, I believe, while also avoiding any built-up areas.

      • aesthete
  • http://UnitedConservativesofVirginia Cargosquid

    Since we attacked a country that was no threat to our citizens, had not threatened those outside its borders, had renounced nuclear weapons thanks to the Iraqi invasion, and had stated that he had renounced terrorism?..

    Is that county now justified to respond in kind? Isn?t it justifiable for Libya to bomb or otherwise attack England, France, Italy, and the US? Whether we call it an act of war or not, THEY think that its an act of war.

    • med151

      So to the point. We have no business meddling in the internal affairs of a foreign nation. The problem is oil delivery to France and Italy. Let them solve their own problem.

      The last time he messed with our maritime commerce Reagan sent him an air mail message. He got the message. Shipping, specifically our vessels, were a target, and the Navy, authorized by the Constitution, is there to protect maritime interests.

      Let them solve their own problem. We don’t use their oil. We have zero national interest here.

  • spainishirish

    Handing arms to such individuals, which likely sooner rather than later will be used against our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq or here as home, is nothing short of psychotic. Already, Obama and a few of our own talking empty heads should be writing letters of apology to the loved ones of our servicemen and servicewomen who died at the hands of some of these fighters for sharia, jihad, and the terrorist way.

    • GregInFla

      and have a lawyer from CAIR. But somehow the Obama administration can get away with it.
      H/T to caller to Rush on Monday.

  • PubliusII

    the three strongest Western powers suffer an unmitigated and calamatous defeat. I have said on another thread that we should have stayed out. But like it or not, we are in.

    Libya is a mess, and there are no good solutions for Libya or for the Libyans.

    What is the best result for the United States in this situation? At a minimum, Qaddafi must cease to rule Libya. For Qaddafi to survive as ruler now, after the three strongest Western powers have, de facto, committed to his fall, would be a disastrous defeat for us, the UK, and France. This is what we must avoid.

    Who replaces Qaddafi is secondary. It is possible that Libya’s new rulers will be as bad or worse than Qaddafi. We must take that chance.

    • spainishirish

      I would say that installing an al-Qaeda dominated government in Libya is a tiny bit worse than loss of face. You want to see a real disaster? Watch what a jihadist oil rich nation looks like.

    • YnotNOW

      so I agree that Gaddafi must go. We are committed now, for better or worse.

      However, an islamist regime would indeed be worse. For example, Iran is worse than Gaddafi.

      That’s why Obama’s poorly thought-out end game is so terrible. We will be stuck “nation-building” in Libya a long time, and our assets are already stretched doing so in Iraq and Afghanistan.

      • spainishirish

        I opt for the substitute.

        • YnotNOW

          An Al Qaeda victory does not constitute victory for the US.

          Which is why we’re stuck in Libya for a long time. To have victory, you have to decide the outcome.

  • YnotNOW

    these 10 points have much wisdom.

    especially relevant is: “In war, a questionable decision made swiftly is often better than a good one made too late.” and I would add, even worse is a questionable decision made late.

    Obama’s decision point came 2 weeks ago, and he deffered foreign policy to the UN Security Council. Now we are left without decisive leverage and bad choices.

  • simplyright4me

    Libya is just a way for Obama to show the Muslim world that he can help them get rid of their enemies. Now are troops are assisting the very ones they are trying to kill. Dos that make sense? Obama has seen to it that Egypt and now Lybia fall into the hands of not only our enemies but Israel’s as well, and John McCain just keeps on cheering him on. Before, Israel really did not have to worry about Egypt and Lybia, but now thanks to Obama and Soros they have to. Obama is not smart enough to do this on his own. He has a whole closet full of Soros trained Czars and aids. While the congress continues to negate itself and allows Obama to do it as well, Harry Reid is seeing to it that the fire keeps burning so the King can campaign and ruin the rest of the econmy and what little security Israel had left. This Barak Osama ben Soros are two evil dudes that need to be gotten rid of. Four more years of this Soros team will destroy the world, which leaves room for this nasty old Nazi aid to have his “New World Order”, it would be too bad if he just curled up and faded away before he saw that happened?

    • radicalrighty

      Soros will somehow tick off the Russians, and get a plutonium milkshake, a la Alexander Litvinenko . . .

  • edintexas

    I’m darned tired of people repeating this propaganda term. We had a “No Fly Zone” in Iraq years ago, and it did not include attacks on ground troops of the Iraqi Army. It did not include attacks against tanks, artillery and vehicles. It did include attacks on anti-aircraft radars and batteries ONLY if they attempted to engage our aircraft.

    We have committed an Act of War against the nation of Libya. Whether we like (I don’t) the government of Libya, or not, until somewhere around 1 February 2011 our government recognized that government as the duly constituted and legal government of Libya. We now have an administration which takes the position that the UN (and “world powers”) will decide whether a country will be allowed to put down a rebellion. The UN certainly agrees with the proposition that a nation’s police powers are subject to UN approval. NATO’s bureaucrats are still seeking to establish a reason for NATO to continue to exist – it currently appears it will be as the UN’s military force – that is the US military will be the UN’s military force with some contribution from some member nations of NATO when they feel like it.

    Should we depose the current government of Libya, the probability that jihadists will control whatever emerges as a non-temporary government is rather high (given that we know Al Quida elements are involved in the rebel force). As others have pointed out, if we fail to eliminate Daffy, we’ve made a gross mistake that will probably cause him to renew his terrorism efforts and support. If we do eliminate Daffy, we’ve probably assisted a new government which will undertake terrorism efforts and support against the US and European countries. Heads we lose, tails we lose. What a way to go to war – a no win situation.

    It appears that our current Administration was working towards a “democracy agenda” in Eqypt, involving National Security Council staff in meetings on the subject as far back as the Fall of 2010. At least, whatever involvement we had in fomenting that insurrection, it did not require KMA* on our part. Of course we still don’t know how Eqypt will turn out, but it seems likely that the “secular and non-violent” Muslim Brotherhood will be the political victor there. They have already stated that they will renounce the peace treaty with Israel on achieving control of the government. Good thing they are a peace loving “secularist” group.

    * Kinetic Military Action, of course

  • silkywiley

    This nightmare is going to go on for a long time. There is absolutely no coherent reason for what Obama has done, unless he is a sworn enemy of our country and our military. There is no coherent plan for victory. Obama came out and said “Daffy has to go.” Was it suppose to happen by pronouncement? Does he truly believe that he is a Messiah and can state it and make it so? It is bizarre. There is only one good way out of this, the country has to admit that Obama has made a mistake and put our boys back on the ship and chug away from this hell hole. Yeah, I know that is not going to happen. How much worse can this administration get?
    Will our higher military command have the guts to walk in and put their resignations on Obama’s desk and get this idiot back under control? This country is spinning into mental illness just like Libya and Iran and other insane countries. There are few explanations for Obama, he’s stupid, (oh I know you can’t say that about a black man) but so was Carter so there is equality there, or he is anti-American, and so was Carter so there is equality there.

    Let the Arab League pick up the pieces and either make a deal with Daffy for cessation of actions or let the Arab League arm the insurgents. The US truly does not have a dog in this fight.