If you want to live in a state that is owned by public employees,crazy industry killing liberals and illegal aliens and soon to go broke then California is the place to be.

How bout keeping it 1 state but call south a District of California.
A separate entity unto itself. Different tax base,no wealth transfer,total anonymity and delegates.

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Using the May numbers. California has 18,065 in the labor force, with 11.7% unemployed; the US as a whole has 153,693, at 9.1%. All numbers seasonally adjusted.

I live in one of the 13 counties included in what ostensibly would become South California. My initial reaction was “what would change?” We would be ruled by a different set of autocrats, only slightly less crazed than to ones we are currently ruled by.

For a long time I’ve thought “okay, we’ll hit bottom soon and things will start to turn around. We hit bottom a long tome ago, and the idiots keep DIGGING!

I wrote a piece in Jan 2010 about California heading for a green train wreck and several others along the same bent, but never in my wildest imagination did I ever think that Californian’s would (re)elect Gov Moonbeam … again, and on top of that, for the first time ever, elect Democrats to all of the state-wide offices.

Creating another state couldn’t hurt things any more than they’re already being destroyed … but I’m not so sure it would ultimately help!

From: #InvestedtoDeepinCAtoGetOut

…I support not only secession but an amicable divorce. The differences between Left and Right are simply insurmountable and I don’t really want to spend the rest of my life battling for my liberty and the conservative agenda. Let the Lefties form their own country. It will be no small dose of schadenfruede to watch them rapidly descend into totalitarianism. We conservatives are the economic fuel for the socialist parasitic agenda of the Left. Let’s cut them off before they kill us.

Best/Worst States for Business

http://chiefexecutive.net/best-worst-states-for-business

California, once a business friendly state, continues to conduct a war on its own economy. According to the Pacific Research Institute, it has the fourthlargest government of all U.S. states, with spending equal to 18.3 percent of GDP. The comparable figure for Texas is 12.1 percent. Survey respondents uniformly say the state’s regulators are hostile. “No one in his right mind would start a new manufacturing concern here,” said one California CEO.

Although California is not unique in pursuing policies that prompt wealth and job creators to expand elsewhere, (New York being a good example), the Golden State seems uniquely oblivious to the effect its labor and other regulations are having on its innovative and growth-oriented Silicon Valley. Job growth in the Valley has flatlined. Firms keep their HQs there, but pursue growth in friendlier states. Google, Intel, Cisco and other companies locate new plants in states such as Arizona, Utah, Texas, Virginia or North Dakota.

Sacramento seems to take perverse delight in job-killing legislation, of which the pair of bills known as California’s “Green Chemistry Initiative” that former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law in September 2008 serve as an example. The regulations mandated that “manufacturers seek safer alternatives to toxic chemicals in their products, and create tough governmental responses for lack of compliance.” When the 92-page final set of commands was issued, the “green community” demanded a rewrite with even tougher requirements. Writing in the Washington Examiner, Chapman University Law professor Hugh Hewitt said that the new rules will mandate testing and labeling changes on tens of thousands of products, likely triggering product recalls. “Take whatever you think is the worst regulatory regime out there, and expand it exponentially.”

Then there is the state’s carbon emission law (AB 32), which the Small Business Roundtable and PRI say will cost half a million in foregone jobs in 2011 and up to 1.3 million jobs by 2020. What’s more, it is by no means certain the law will reduce carbon emissions since it only applies to California.

…..but we already left.

Idyut.

Taxpayers and tax consumers and yes, public employees are very much net tax consumers.

Taxpayers have been leaving California for years leaving an ever increasing percentage of tax consumers. The eventual outcome of this is apparent to all but Liberals who have no core moral values and no fundamental ability to understand even rudimentary economics.

Personally, I would leave California and move to Arizona but Becker would want me to hang out with me and I can’t afford his bar tabs.

Let it be ruled as a federal territory for a while until it gets at least partly straightened out, then split it up into three states, or maybe more.

The liberal bastions will never get it. It doesn’t matter to my fellow citizens that we are borrowing and spending beyond our means. I was crushed in 2010 when the red wave and tea party surge failed to make it to CA.

The average person has no clue the true state of affairs. The Obama administration will have to keep the shell game going.

As a proud Texan, I would like to invite all CONSERVATIVE HARDWORKING Californians and their businesses to consider a move to Texas. Liberal deadbeats and pariah must remain in Kali. We already have enough of those guys in Austin.

Another option would be to secede and become a part of west Texas. Either way is good.

Only if you define the bay area as “Northern.”

Barring the hippies on the coast, once you get North of the bay area California is very conservative.

. . .are leaving. Self deporting. Moving to Texas and Arizona. And then they can’t figure out why the tax revenue is drying up as everyone who actually produces anythignn goes away leaving behind only leaches with none to suck blood from/.

The good news is that there is stark difference in the outcomes of liberalism in states such as California and Massachusetts versus states that practice conservatism (Texas and the rest of the South). The voters are beginning to notice.

is doing now to OUR economy. Creating uncertainty does nothing to enhance productive efforts. My wife in fluent in Metalworking and brings home countless periodicals, regarding Her avocation, and many others.(Oil exploration, Infrastructure,design are only a few) An editorial I noted last year (Written by a California Resident) was most explicit in stating no one in their right mind should ever start a business there, as The State was always trying to be a leader in everything Progressive and you could never predict expenditures. Being Cutting Edge is all well and good, but to just demand and not realize mandates have consequences has been counterproductive, to say the least. But few if any Progressives want to think ,”IN TOTAL”, and all others (you know, the Producers and EARNERS) are left to muddle through.(“BUT WE’RE For The People”!) Some of the out-migration’s effects can be seen in Colorado, where existing residents complain that when Californians move there, they bring their politics with them. Haven’t seen this much in Texas, maybe the less Utopian weather makes these immigrants a different breed. Since repetition of a mistake (BROWN TIMES TWO) suggests Mass Insanity of a sort, maybe it’s only correct that out-movements accelerate. Consider it a form of what Sam Kinison used to shout to hungry multitudes: “MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS!” OR Freedom and Prosperity, as the case may be.

If California was split into a conservative and liberal part, the conservative part would grow, business would thrive in both the conservative and liberal state (some spill over from the conservative portion)

However, liberals, as individuals, don’t like paying taxes or having difficult regulations so they would move to the conservative state and yet keep their liberal voting ideas. Soon, the conservative part would be over-run with liberals.

This is what is happening in New Hampshire. We would then have two liberal states with 2 additional liberal senators in the U.S. Senate. The only way to divide California would be in such a way that the liberals would not be willing to move to the conservative portion of the state. Perhaps over the mountain divide in the more farming areas. A new conservative state with 10 electorial votes would be much preferable to two liberal states with about 25 electorial votes each.

The LA TIMES says such a new state would be dysfunctional and particularly unresponsive to the needs of the residents? They already have that. That’s a pretty good description of the government in Sacramento.

the word “humility” does not belong anywhere in any discussion of our state’s policies or the attitude of Sacramento toward the citizens. We are, after all, a state whose Legislature has been unable to produce a balanced budget for so long we cannot even summon our collective memory to remember where it was, but that same Legislature does have the time to mandate politically correct “gender awareness” courses in our schools.

There was a time, when Wilson and Deukmejian were in office, that the state did have some semblance of fiscal and political sanity. Today, when the best the Republicans can offer is Schwarzenegger or Meg Whitman, the possibility that such a day will come again is more than remote.

The bottom line here is that South California may as well secede and leave LA to the tender mercies of San Francisco and Sacramento. We have been two states for decades. No real good reason not to make that reality. At least we wouldn’t have a “state” government sucking us dry.

A divided California would be as lovely as a delightful Banana Split. I left California in ’99 after being there most of my life from childhood on. I’ll never return and I love that state for it’s geographical diversity,it’s a beautiful state once prosperous now in a liberal shambles. The split should be East and West. The west being the left coast with stupid San Francisco as it’s capitol or equally stupid Berkeley. The East retaining it’s capitol with Sacramento(which has a larger conservative populace versus lefties). The central valley could once again flourish with agriculture and screw the Delta Smelt. No gun laws means less crime. No taxes with enactment of the Fair Tax as the only tax. Gold or silver coin would be the only acceptable money as federal reserve notes would be considered useless fraudulent fiat money unacceptable in Eastern California. The Auburn Dam would get restarted to completion,Rancho Seco nuclear power retrofitted,updated and brought back to life,thereby energy needs satisfied to more than meet demand and PG&E put out of business except for the left coast. Eastern California would boom. Left Coast residents would not be able to purchase firearms in the East just like the whole state can’t purchase in Nevada,Arizona,or Oregon now. Eastern residents would enjoy restoration of 2nd Amendment rights to buy at home with no waiting period or from a bordering state just like all the others. Nice,huh? Illegals would be deported back to their home country or to San Francisco,Richmond,Santa Monica and L.A. where they’re welcome. Eastern California would become a model for the nation just like California once was. The Left Coast to the West would become the model for misery just like the whole state is now.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/28/news/economy/California_companies/index.htm

The guy who’s supposed to fix it all? Would you believe ex-SF mayor Gavin Newsom? I love at the end of the article how we learn they don’t really need to change anything – except perceptions.

Later this year, California will set up a new agency that will serve as a focal point for economic development and job creation, he [Newsom] said. Among its goals will be to reverse the perception that California is business-unfriendly.

Other states should ship all the illegals rounded up to CA sanctuary cities. Let them eat their words and walk their talk.

What is this need California lefties have to attack AZ, their neighbor state? They trashed them over their immigration law and drove bus loads of people to protest there. In addition, they boycotted them.. Now they call them out in a hateful way over their own in state problems. Guess they are getting are getting short tempered waiting for their bail out from BO.