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The Conservative Race In Iowa

The Race That Matters

Image descriptionThere are 2,286 delegates awarded in the GOP primaries and caucuses; the nomination thus requires wrapping up 1,143 delegates. Between them, Iowa and New Hampshire award 10 delegates; South Carolina and Florida, the other two states voting later this month, award 75. By contrast, three states (California, Texas and New York) award a combined 422 delegates, more than a third of the total needed to win. So, the race is far from over after New Hampshire, and as long as there is credible opposition, it can go on for quite a while after South Carolina and Florida as well.

That said, the early states are traditionally a test of strength that helps winnow the field to the more serious contenders, especially those with the fundraising ability and appeal beyond a narrow niche to make a serious effort to win the nomination. But three of the seven candidates now in the race are pretty much guaranteed to go beyond Iowa. First, Mitt Romney: Romney would like to win Iowa, and could be embarrassed if he finishes third (lower is very unlikely), but no matter what happens, Romney’s money, his appeal to the moderate wing of the party, and his establishment support will carry him to New Hampshire, where he is heavily favored to win easily. Second, Ron Paul: Paul could do well in Iowa as a protest vote if there are a lot of independents and Democrats re-registering tomorrow on caucus day, but his hard core of support and idosyncratic appeal guarantee that he will be in the race as long as there’s a race, regardless of how he does in any contest, yet with no chance of ever winning. And third, Jon Huntsman: Huntsman has placed all his chips on New Hampshire and already plans on finishing a distant seventh in Iowa. The only effect Iowa has on Huntsman is indirect: if Romney looks weak coming out of Iowa, Huntsman can ratchet up his efforts to convince New Hampshire moderates that Romney is fatally flawed.

Where Iowa could matter a lot, however, is in sorting out the four candidates running as the field’s conservatives: Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Michele Bachmann. (Let’s leave aside for the moment the arguments over who can claim the term “conservative”; clearly this is the role in the field all four are pursuing). They represent a caucus-within-a-caucus, and even though they are likely to be separated 1-4 by a relatively small number of votes, their order of finish could have an outsized impact on the race, eliminating anywhere from 1-3 of them from the field.

The reason for this is the basic dynamic of this race: after six years of running for President, the polling and anecdotal evidence is quite clear that Mitt Romney is the preferred choice of only about a quarter of the GOP electorate, and at least two-thirds would clearly prefer a more reliably conservative candidate. Paul, for a variety of reasons, can’t present that alternative, and Huntsman won’t. But just as clearly, Romney can win the nomination by a strategy of divide and conquer: keep the conservative wing of the party from putting its votes and money behind a single alternative. His campaign has pursued this strategy craftily, focusing fire on whoever looked likely to dominate the conservative vote at any given time, and more recently by his allies talking up Santorum, an alternative Romney clearly feels he can defeat. It’s a strategy that has relieved Romney of the need to make any sort of positive argument on anything other than the faults of various conservative Republicans. But it will be his undoing if, as the race proceeds, he fails to prevent the majority faction within the party from uniting around a standard-bearer.

Of the four conservatives, Bachmann is now the most vulnerable to a poor showing in Iowa, assuming that she’s running out of self-interest and not – as some have suggested – as a stalking horse for Romney. Bachmann was born in Iowa, hails from a neighboring state, won the Iowa Straw Poll, has spent a bunch of time in the state, and led the RCP polling average in the state most of the summer with support as high as 27% (higher than Romney has ever polled in Iowa; he’s never cracked 23% after winning 25.2% in 2008), and her social-conservative, evangelical background and message should resonate well in Iowa. Yet, she’s collapsed to single digits and sixth place in most polls, has suffered key organizational losses, she doesn’t have a ton of money in the bank, and – not to be overlooked – unlike the other candidates besides Paul, she actually has to run for re-election in a not-entirely-safe district this fall. If Bachmann finishes fourth of the four, it is hard to see how she justifies staying in the race.

At the opposite end of the scale are the two guys Romney fears: Gingrich and Perry. Newt surged to national and Iowa poll leadership in December on the basis of his massive name recognition and excellent debate performances, and his role as a former Speaker of the House and leader of the 1994 conservative revolution still give him a lot of credibility and goodwill on the Right. Newt could, despite his many vulnerabilities, sustain a campaign with sufficient funding and earned media exposure to beat Romney if he could unite the Right; while polling is somewhat stale at present, he was last seen with significant leads on Romney in South Carolina and Florida, both states in which the other candidates haven’t polled in single digits. Ideally, Newt wanted to beat Romney in Iowa, so he could build the argument that he was the man to stop Mitt. But Newt’s support, much of it cannibalized from the early December collapse of the Herman Cain campaign, is not deeply rooted, and the not-Romney aspect of that support could desert him quickly if he’s shown to be unable to either outpoll Romney or unite the Right. Newt’s poll support in Iowa has dropped in the RCP average from 31 to 13 in a little over two weeks of ceaseless negative TV ads from Romney allies, he’s currently polling fourth, and it’s questionable if Newt has the organization on the ground to capitalize even on that much support. If he finishes far behind Romney and behind Santorum – worse yet, behind Perry as well – Newt’s supporters in the southern states may start taking a harder look at alternatives. It’s hard to see Newt leaving the race without being forced out, but then he’s clearly bitter at Romney right now over the negative barrage; were I Perry (whose last book Newt wrote a forward for), I’d work overtime in the aftermath of a poor Iowa showing by Newt to try to convince Newt to step aside and focus the field.

Then there’s Perry. Let me go out on a limb: if Perry finishes third in Iowa, he’ll be the nominee. He’s the guy best suited by money, organization and resume to capitalize on a strong Iowa showing, which is why Romney’s media allies have been talking up Santorum’s momentum instead. I don’t expect Perry to finish third; he’s polling fifth, and is probably most likely to finish fourth behind Romney, Paul and Santorum. Perry can afford that, if it’s a respectable fourth: if Newt and Bachmann end up out of the race, Perry can make a solid argument that he’s still the only credible alternative to Romney, and his style is clearly more suited to running in southern states like South Carolina and Florida. Perry’s debate stumbles buried him for a while, but more than one candidate in this race has gotten a second look as the wheel continues to turn; but he needs to show that his hard work in Iowa of late has yielded some sort of progress. A fifth place showing behind both Newt and Santorum will put him on the ropes – not out just yet, perhaps, but with a much more complicated road to climbing over both to win South Carolina.

Which brings us to Santorum, the spoiler, only finally drawing attention (and scrutiny). Santorum has almost no campaign outside of Iowa, where he’s spent vastly more time than anyone else in the race, doing endless, weary retail events touting his social conservatism. It’s much harder to envision Santorum scaling up to a national race against Romney than it is with Newt, and just as Newt bears the scars of the GOP’s failures in the 1996-2000 period, Santorum bears those of 2006, a more recent loss when he – as a member of the Senate GOP leadership – lost the Senate majority, lost his seat by 18 points to a colorless opponent, lost the support of party conservatives over his endorsement of Arlen Specter, lost the party’s credibility on spending, and became a lightning rod for gay activists over his various foot-in-mouth moments on social issues. Santorum is an ex-Senator with no executive experience, and Senators are famously terrible presidential candidates, as we saw in basically every primary and/or general election since 1964 (think of McCain, Kerry, Goldwater, McGovern, Dole, Hillary, Kennedy, Bradley, Biden, Tsongas, Muskie, Edwards, Gramm, Dodd, Byrd, Gore, Brownback, Baker, Bayh, Glenn, Harkin, Hatch, Hollings, Hart, Kerrey, Lugar, Specter, Bentsen, Church, Cranston, Bob Smith, and Scoop Jackson) – the only way a Senator can win a presidential election is against another Senator, as Obama did by beating Hillary and McCain. While there may not be time to ventilate all of Santorum’s problems, the greatest of which is his legacy as a loser in 2006, there is little doubt that Romney could and would destroy him once he’s no longer useful in denying oxygen to more capable adversaries. But a top-3 showing in Iowa makes it impossible for Santorum to go away before South Carolina.

The clearest outcome in the conservative primary in Iowa would be for Perry or Newt to win it. The second clearest would be Santorum first and Perry second, which largely deflates Newt and takes out Bachmann. The worst plausible case is Santorum-Newt-Perry-Bachmann, which probably eliminates Bachmann but leaves Newt and Perry both wounded and regrouping for a messy South Carolina showdown.

We’ll finally know more tomorrow.

COMMENTS

  • buddyp

    Funny thing about Santorum’s line — well, other than what Erick pointed out — is that Santorum has never “commanded” anything, nor does he have any experience that one would think would prepare him to be commander in chief, which is…an executive position (also, in effect, a military officer position, for which he also has no relevant experience).

    In other words, while a Senator hopefully has acquired some insights into foreign policy and military matters, and probably generally more so than a governor, commanding is an executive role requiring a different skill set best honed through executive management experience…which Santorum completely lacks.

    • don12345

      Without question RedState.com is Perry territory. I thought Perry was going to win myself back when he first got in. Unfortunately, it doesn’t look like Perry is going to be able to even get past Iowa when he comes in fifth place or worse. Perry is gone. Gingrich is gone. Bachmann is gone. Huntsman is gone. All we’re left with is Paul Santorum and Romney. Santorum and Paul have no shot at surviving Obama’s hell kitchen, even Gingrich couldn’t survive Romney’s kitchen. I guess now is the time to join the Romney boat before we all sink.

      • Lesstressrx

        Romney supporter, “Dream on”, you must be a RINO…

        • don12345

          What do you think RINO means ‘Romney in name only’? I find it silly that the same people that say Romney has the support of the Republican establishment are the same people that say Romney is not a true Republican??? The definition of being a true Republican is having the total support of the Republican base.

          • rogershru2

            One is in Washington and the other is everywhere else.

          • don12345

            I didn’t know >1000 major Romney Republican endorsements all lived in Washington. The total amount of Gingrich endorsements you can easily count aloud within a minute on your fingers and toes.

            The Republican establishment are the guys that have been Republican all their lives, born from Republican families, and donate money to Republican causes like myself. If you really think that isn’t the Republican base, then I have some beach front property you’d be interested in.

          • acat

            The Republican Establishment, on the other paw, are the consultants, apparatchiks, hangers-on, K street hustlers, staffers, media liaisons, and other riff raff whose rake-off comes from those same donations, or salaries of congresscritters, or donors seeking influence.

            I tend to sum it up as the gutless D.C. wing of the GOP.

            Romney has their votes lined up. This does not inspire me.

            Mew

          • rogershru2

            Nt

          • don12345

            Most of the 1000+ major endorsements are in fact from Republican politicians so I concede the point, and you’re right it’s not inspiring. I guess I’m just hoping now that we see who we’ve got left for candidates we will still get someone that can save the American economy. We are all in trouble, and Obama didn’t make things better, he made them worse. I don’t blame just Obama though, I think we’ve been heading for this disaster for a while now because politicians care more about lining their pockets rather than making America a better place for our kids and grandkids. Conservatism is about taking responsibility for our own mistakes and doing the right thing even if it hurts. So maybe I hope Romney will be willing to not care about getting another 4 years, (unlike Obama who dreams every night about making another term), but rather care about doing the right thing for us and our kids. It just gets tiring hearing guys like Gingrich tell me so many lines about how he cares, but in the same breath try to take my family into poverty by selling me copies of all of his books just to make the multi-millionaire and his third wife even richer.

          • edintexas

            The major component of the “Republican Establishment” – the timid politicians. Or do they fall under the heading “riff raff”? :-)

          • cwfoster

            Try “total support of less than 30% of the Republican base”! Over 70% are for “anybody but Romeny or Obama” but can’t agree on which “not Romney” to go with!

          • onenationundergod

            The first few states carry few delegates, so perfect time to winnow the field. Hopefully voters converge so candidates receive the message when their support it gone. As an Iowan and someone who likes Bachman, I ultimately had to decide she isn’t it. If she finished lower than 4th after winning the straw poll, I think she should get out. Unless there is evidence somewhere that she has swelling support on the eastern seaboard. Gov. Haley endorsed Romney.

        • guvhog

          RINO means “Republican in name only”, which is a very accurate description of Mitt Romney. A “True Republican is one who is both Fiscally and Socially Conservative. Romney is NEITHER.

      • gekster

        You really should before you post.

        • gekster

          //nt//

          • don12345

            Too bad you’re backtracking, Romneystate had real appeal and potential. Let me fill you in with how it works in Republican politics, we all love a winner. If McCain who is a RINO (Romney in name only) had won, then we would be applauding him as a great Republican. Since he lost big against Obama, he will always be the guy that gave us President Obama. When Romney beats Obama, we will be applauding Romney as the guy that beat President Obama.

          • edintexas

            He would still be prostituting himself for the MSM approbation. He was a great and heroic Navy officer. He might have been a great Republican when he was first elected to public office. I think he might actually believe that the MSM is on his side and Harry Reid is nothing more than a “friend across the aisle” in the Senate,

          • don12345

            gekster,

            Where was that Romneystate posting you are talking about?

          • rogershru2

            http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/01/02/is-rick-santorum-familiar-with-the-job-description-for-president/#comment-155296

          • gekster

            here

            Read up to see it.

          • don12345

            Thanks for the link.

            Well, you can’t ding Erickson for setting himself up for a backup plan if the Perry thing doesn’t work out. I bet deep down he still really wants Perry, but what do you do if Perry doesn’t survive Iowa tomorrow. If Romney beats Obama, the support will follow. If Ericksson and others like him don’t jump aboard when the conservatives will fall in love with the guy that got rid of Obama, then Ericksson will be looking for a new job. Perry is really the only guy stopping Romney from winning it. Perry should have done it, but the debate performances were enough to kill any candidate. The oops remark when he already created a lot of doubts in his debating was the final nail.
            Perry and Romney were the real candidates in this election cycle.

          • don12345

            Let me say one more thing. If Romney fails us, then guess who has a chance in 4 years as the next in line, Perry. So it’s not lost. We all know only Perry and Romney were the real candidates this presidential cycle so Perry will be the next in line.

          • acat

            Heinlein’s short story “If this goes on…” refers frequently to 2012 as the year of the last election of the old United States, with the government being subverted and replaced by a charismatic theocrat.

            The Mayans, of course, predict that 2012 is the end of time.

            So .. yes, we could end up with gridlock for another 2-4 years, or .. we could see the end of government as we know it, or .. we could just see the end.

            Mew

          • johnnyappleseed

            Predicted 2013, December I believe.
            So until that time lets get off the sofa and support Donald Trump…..naw!
            Just Kidding

          • edintexas

            Not the end of the world, but the end of this world time period – the 12th Bak-tun (maybe, or maybe the end of the world) comes with the Winter Solstice on 12-21-2012.

          • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

            …how various outsiders see this site.

            Mind-bogglingly bizarre, sometimes; but usually instructive.

          • votemout2012

            Romney is the only thing standing in the way of Romney. When he opens his mouth there is the ooze that says liberal. Romney is Obama lite. If he gets in Obamacare is here to say. Levin thinks so as well.

      • buddyp

        Listen, I can’t blame you for thinking a criticism of a Santorum talking point and acknowledgment of a weakness of Santorum’s must constitute an implication that Santorum is unacceptable or at least undesirable, and must be biased by a preference for another candidate or outright insincere shilling on behalf of that other candidate.

        But no, I’m not a Perry supporter. And more importantly, I don’t let my preferences diminish the objectivity of my analysis. I’m a rarity on political blogs in that respect, so I can’t blame you for your knee-jerk assumption.

        I dislike Santorum (for reasons unrelated to my criticism here), but that has nothing to do with the point I made, which I really would have made even if I supported him or even if I thought he was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

        In my case, take it at face value. His talking point is weak (at best), and it ironically highlights a major weakness of his. That’s all I’m saying. No more, no less.

        And by the way, I share the belief many RS commenters (and not just the Paulbots) have expressed that RS front-pagers and particularly Eric have apparently done their best to highlight and place great emphasis on every possible problem they could find (or craft) with every major non-Perry threat to Romney, while speaking highly of Perry and not giving him the same scrutiny. I think that’s unfortunate, even though I appreciate that that sort of approach can (generically speaking) potentially be justified as a practical strategy. Personally, I try to be as inquiring, open and objective about flaws of a candidate I favor as I am of his opponents. I consider that a matter of integrity for myself. I won’t hide info, I won’t spin, etc. I’ll lay out the strengths and weaknesses as I honestly, objectively see them, and if I can convince someone to support whomever I support, great, and if not, not, but at least I will not have misled anyone.

        • buddyp

          Pardon the typo.

      • josephine

        Newt is still in a dead heat with Romney in National Polling. Even after Romney’s attacks. Facts are facts.

        • guvhog

          The reason Newt is tied with Romney in the national polls is Newt is very strong in the southern states while Romney is virtually non-existant. That’s why Romney won’t be the GOP Nominee.

      • onenationundergod

        It may end up being Romney. I’m reading on freerepublic and www.trevorloudon.com about a Soros connection to Paul’s military budget committee…
        It has been disappointing at best to see the attack against Santorum on this blog after Perry faultered. EE seems upset at voters for evaluating a significant weakness in a candidate based on his own debate performance. I like Perry and I think he has handled the media well the past few weeks. I don’t like what he said about in state tuition to illegals, and he talks about closing depts which doesn’t nullify the laws they enforce.

        • onenationundergod

          http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2828009/posts
          WWW.TREVORLOUDON.COM

        • carolynr

          In-State Tuition. I think you need to read up on Texas politics. Really. Are you aware that the Legislature has as much power as the governor…and that it was their overwhelming decision to allow children of illegals to apply for citizenship ‘IF’ they went to school. The reason…they would come out more productive and not be a drag on Texas taxpayers. Contrast that with WILLARD’S home state of Michigan (no he is not a Bostonian Blue Blood) and the Detroit mess wherein they are selling lotto tickets to keep the government running.
          Question: Do you want to be paying or do you want them to pay? That simple.

          I mentioned this before and I will say this again. Santorum is spender. What is the problem in DC? Spending. Do we do what we have been doing and then cry in our beer because we are stupid.

          Concerning nullification of departments…I want them in control of the state’s. If you can name JUST ONE FEDERAL PROJECT that has not gone bankrupt…well I will listen. Otherwise…onenationundergod…no creditability.

    • devonshire

      My money is on Perry with the sense that he will do well in Iowa…better than most expect. New Hampshire is Romney country
      so my expectation is that Perry will do extremely well in South Carolina and Florida. This will be his “launchpad if you will. I do not believe Santorum or Bachmann have the organization or money to go beyond Iowa, Gingrich is imploding, Huntsman will disappear. That will leave Perry and Romney to battle it out and Ron Paul will be the wild card in the race. My guess is that he will tend to go more after Romney’s policies than Perry’s seeting Perry up for a victory.
      That is just my “gut sense analysis” based on my wife’s psychic power of prediction.

      • texastaxpayer

        If your wife’s pyschic power of prediction proves accurate. Would you mind her picking some lottery numbers for me??? I could use the cash brother….

        Perry 2012… Integrity Experience Results.

        • supergirl2911

          For Perry- I am praying for each of you and if I may would like to leave a scripture for you: Luke 12:11-12
          And when they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not be anxious about how you should defend yourself or what you should say, for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say.” (Luke 12:11, 12 ESV)
          Many will be praying and in the final analysis I agree with Moe Lane’s quote: (paraphrased) Don’t pray God is on your side, but that He keeps you on His.

      • carolynr

        about taking SS away from the already retired in FL or it is a no go for him.

      • guvhog

        Man you don’t realize just how much I hope you and your wife are correct! Perry was my first choice but I when to Newt after Perry’s collapse, Perry would be a GREAT President.

  • nepanyrush

    Coming from Pennsylvania, I can say with conviction that Santorum is a great conservative candidate. He kept his social, fiscal, and foreign policy conservative principles despite running in Democratic Pennsylvania (which has 1 million more democrats than Republicans). He won statewide office there twice. When he lost, it was because (1) he ran against a “prolife” son of a popular prolife Republican governor, such that the Catholic voters in Pennsylvania went back to the Democratic Party; and (2) he talked about reforming social security, which became a huge “he will dismantle social secuirty” wedge issue for the states huge elder population (2nd after Florida).

    However, he has proven he can win as a conservative in a blue state. Perry, who despite being rejected by the public after his disastrous campaign, has not a shot in a state that is not in the deep south. Santorum is a bright, articulate conservative. (Contrast hat with Perry!).

    When Perry comes in 4th or 5th in Iowa and gets about 2% of the NH vote, I hope that he gets out and doesn’t keep dividing up the conservatives. Perry has 0% chance of winning a general election, is cringe-inducing embarrassing to listen to, and and really needs to get out as soon as possible or Romney will be the nominee.

    • tdawg89

      convincing anyone that perry is standing in the way of santorum!! lol seriously get a clue. backing santorum is backing romney.

      • nancysabet

        you have to be totally dum to think santy has any chance to get anywhere after Iowa. Mit and Dems may pour money to keep him in the race to stop Perry.

      • onenationundergod

        the conservatives need to condense and the process will winnow the field

    • votemout2012

      Just wondering if your related to Santorum? Perry has known all along he will not play in liberal NH. After IA Santorum will be nothing but a memory.

      • Samsara

        and Santorum would be out of the race tommorow. The guy just needs a job. Unfortunatly, Rodger Alies has thrown his network behind Romney, so don’t look for “Saturday With Santorum” anytime soon.

        • windwaker24

          Santorum lacks tact and likability. He tends to say hurtful and jerky things that get him into trouble. Like tonight he basically said to a group of Iowans we need to get this economy going so we can help get BLACK people off of welfare and making their own money. There are more than just Black people on welfare. His statement is just ignorant and tasteless, even though I understood what he meant. I’ll wait for a clarification from his camp since everyone deserves a chance to explain themselves, but this still stinks!

    • texastaxpayer

      Santorum is the EX-Senator from Pennsylvania. If I am not misstaken he lost by 18points the largest ratio in history. I believe I am also correct in pointing out this was 5 short years ago, not exactly ancient history. Santorum is a Surfer, he rode a republican wave into office and a democratic wave out. While I don’t personally dislike the man or his stated positions. Though it seems more and more his stated positions very greatly from the facts of his paychecks. He has simply not done the things necessary to deserve the honor of the presidency. I like Rush Limbaugh as well, I agree with most of the things Rush says. That doesn’t make him presidential material. Like Rush Santorum hasn’t applied himself to building the resume it takes to be a legitimate contender to lead the free world. We have seen what a senator with no practical leadership looks like as president. I will pass on act two of this show thank you anyway.

      Your attacks on Rick Perry are laughable. You promote probably the least qualified candidate in the field while attacking the most. Let’s play a game of name that Rick, I will ask a question you pick which Rick’s record the question addresses.
      Who has the #1 job creation record in the nation?
      Who has used his philosophy of low taxes, sensible regulations and a rational legal policy to build the nations leading economy in his state?
      Who has signed loser pays tort reform into law?
      Who has passed Medical Malpractice Reform actually decreasing costs and increasing coverage for his citizens?
      Who has signed a law defunding planned parenthood?
      Who has engaged his own forces and spent $420,000,000 of his states tax dollars to try and combat the federal governments failure in securing our southern boarder?
      who has more than decade of successful governing experience as a chief executive?
      Who inherited a divided government and through his successful leadership has successfully built conservative super majorities in both his states house and senate?
      Who has actually worn the uniform of this country’s armed forces?
      Who has successfully cut spending in his budget no accounting gimmicks actual year over year decreases in dollars spent?
      Who actually has the background, experience and record of success to lead this country back to prosperity?

      Whose our Rick?

      Perry 2012… Experience Integrity Results…

      • nancysabet

        Santorum is not surging – it is a ploy by the media and pollsters…. Dems and msm are pouring time and $$$, on behalf of Romney, to keep him in race to stop Perry

        • onenationundergod

          The surge is real. I live here. I can’t predict where the undecided will go, my guess is Perry/Santorum and last Newt. I think Bachmann is done. I’ll engage in a rational discussion

      • renl57

        Those are the traditional keys to a Electoral College majority.

        Perry would have to write off FL, since retirees there won’t vote for a candidate who called Social Security “a Ponzi scheme” and strongly implied he wished it didn’t exist.

        Perry has no demonstrated appeal to any Rust Belt state. Ohio is not an oil state, so I don’t know how Perry can convince Ohio voters that he can help revive the Rust Belt economy. Pennsylvania leans Dem anyway, so they’re never going to vote for another swaggering right-wing TX governor. NOT.GONNA.HAPPEN.

        • texastaxpayer

          First of all Texas receives between 17 and 20% of its GDP form oil and gas. What’s the fastest growing sector of the Texas economy? Anyone? Anyone? Manufacturing as demonstrated by Apple and catepillar who have joined a growing trend in moving large portions of there manufacturing to Texas. So your oil state argument falls apart right there.
          Lest we forget Texas has created something like 54% of the new jons in this economy. Thats no accident, its not a miracle and no Perry wasnt just dealt four aces.
          Its a repeatable pattern that can be implemented nationally to lift up even the rust belt states. low taxes, reasonable regulations and a sain legal environment. Creates a consistent and predictable environment that businesses flourish in. Its that simple and Perry has mastered it.
          Your personal bigotry toward southernors aside people want jobs. they want a leader with demonstrated experience leading an economy successfully. Perry has lead the 12th largest economy to white hot success, while others have been drowning Perry has been practicing his breast stroke.
          Yeah they will vote for him. The only thing americans love more than Cowboys are winners and Perry is both.

    • nancysabet

      Santorum is not surging – it is a ploy by the media and pollsters…. Dems and msm are pouring time and $$$ to keep him in race to stop Perry. MSM , , including fox, and Rep. establishment are doing everything to stop Perry. Sadly, this is what Dems also want, The Dems DO NOT want to run against Rick Perry (witness what the WH has been doing to TX). How could they possibly put his record up against Obama’s? No debates needed ? facts are facts. There are no videos out there of Perry changing positions over and over. Now at the last 2 days they pull a trick and promoting Santorum who?? He is all over the TV and nothing is said about Perry and the crowds he is getting everywhere he goes. For God?s sake there is no news about the huge rally he has tonight with all his endorsers.

    • carolynr

      interwoven in it. Now…a senator with two terms is going up against a ceo of the 13th largest economy in the world…and still growing. Not a spend thrift…you do you we have a spending problem in DC…don’t you…or haven’t you noticed the deficit?

      I will say this again. Bringing back manufacturing into the USA will require non-union intervention to make us competitive against China. PA is a pro-union state. How competitive was PA and what industries has Santorum brought into the state. Case Closed.

  • nuclear139

    A win in the buckeye state for Mitt is game over for the republican field. He has the support of the establishment, the money and is by far the media darling in the race. If Perry does not come in a close third it is over for his campaign sadly and he needs Santorium to carry the state because as you said he has no major support outside of Iowa so a third place Perry could easily take South Carolina. Romney will win if social conservatives do not stand up now and put a stop to the nonsense and chose a more conservative candidate like Perry who could beat Obama.

    • deVere

      In 2008 eventual nominee John McCain came in 4th in Iowa, slightly behind Fred Thompson.

      Iowa will eliminate Michelle Bachmann, and that’s it. New Hampshire will only matter greatly if Mitt Romney doesn’t win. South Carolina, as usual, will likely choose the Republican nominee, as long as Florida ratifies South Carolina’s choice. If the two southern states disagree, we are in for a long race to the convention.

      • votemout2012

        I personally think she is in it through IA for Romney sake. After IA she will endorse Romney.

        • deVere

          She seems to me to have criticized Romney as much as any other rival candidate.

        • onenationundergod

          If she does, I’ll be glad I didn’t give her my vote.

      • greyeagle

        If Romney wins South Carolina, he is not likely to win Florida. Florida has been trending a lot more conservative. However, Perry has a very good chance to win South Carolina.

        • carolynr

          nt

      • http://lukos.com Ed54

        Not sure if that qualifies as something that “matters greatly”, but it is something.

    • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

      then we can talk

    • annie54

      n/t

      • jlsankot

        and proud of it, but NOT just because of the first in caucus thing.

  • A_Texan

    I think everything you wrote about his viability must be corrected. If Gingrich and Perry trail badly, it is Santorum that will have the momentum and tons of money to win SC.

    But if Santorum ties with Perry for fourth, then Santorum is out.

    • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

      he thought that because Huck did not have the resources and record, but he thought Romney did. Now this guy wants to be the anti-Romney all the while being in a worse off position than Huck was in 2008.

      Ill say this again, a vote for Santorum is a vote for Romney, period.

    • clowngirl

      Newt still looks dominant in South Carolina averaging 37% to Santorum’s 2.3.

      There won’t be a repeat of Iowa where Gingrich gets savaged by millions of dollars in unanswered negative ads. He’s willing to go negative now and reportedly now has the resources to compete.

      Newt continues to dominate South Carolina polls even after prolonged media scrutiny – presumably their are a good number of people there who think well of him and are likely to consider that Newt has dealt with a concentration of attack and hasn’t effectively moved to Iowa for several months like Santorum has.

      And presumably there will be more debates in which Santorum’s various baggage will be discussed…

      Besides that, there seems to be a lot of “why is Iowa given such an important role” type of talk. So, unless Santorum win something like 20% of the vote and Newt and Perry finish with low single digits, I don’t think the impact would be nearly enough for Rick S to coast to victory in SC.

      • thirstyboots

        will show Gingrich lagging Romney by double digits.

        The last public poll we have is from almost 3 weeks ago, when Gingrich was still leading in Iowa and nationally and he was already hemorrhaging support – leading Romney by 12, in the last poll from the same pollster he was leading by 23.

        I have no idea why you believe Newt will have the means to compete. If he doesn’t finish in the top-3 in Iowa or New Hampshire, his campaign is over. Same for Perry and Bachmann.

        • bzip

          Though I agree with you that Newt’s polls numbers will sink, and more so after the Iowa results if Newt doesn’t do too well (as expected) but I disagree with you on Perry. If Perry places 4th or better in Iowa and continues to campaign well as he has been doing – he will be fine.

          Just in on Tweeter https://twitter.com/#!/ArletteSaenz/:
          Perry will make 11 stops in South Carolina between Wednesday and Friday before heading up to NH for debate next weekend

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            feels right
            no more later

          • carolynr

            I just might drive on over there.

          • bzip

            Lots and lots of excellent Tweets coming out on Perry

            https://twitter.com/#!/CarrieNBCNews

            Perry fired up, not speaking from remarks like earlier in wk. Passionate, fluid critique of big govt. This is the guy we expected in Aug.

          • woggie

            and every Repub voter needs to read this post: 2 nite.Perry is the winner you lust ! Forget the smoke from the last four months. Don’t talk!. just go vote for a winner!

          • Carol Tarasewicz

            bzip-
            I think we “talked” on TRS a few weeks ago, about the ad Rick Perry had with veterans and Honor.

            I have FNC on and am on web. Another positive for Rick Perry is that he’s optimistic. He was on Greta’s show and she said tomorrow surely will be a happy day, with a great big smile on his face. I missed most of it but will watch again at one am.
            I was busy doing laundry etc at the time. When Perry smiles it shows in his eyes, unlike some that are phony.
            Carol

          • nancysabet

            unlike Mit and other candidates, Perry looks a real happy person and he has beautiful smile. He is a handsome guy, I’m just saying..

          • nancysabet

            NBC has more coverage of Perry than FOX

        • clowngirl

          You said you have no idea why I think Gingrich has the means to compete…

      • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

        whether his supporters like it or not, it is fact. He did get charged and found guilty of ethical a violation, which is a fact. He did cheat on his wives(2) that is fact, and he did get over a million from Freddie Mac, that is fact, even though you can argue why he got it. Newt is the one who said others should go to prison for getting money from Freddie Mac.
        There are many ways to establish connections when a lobbyist such as entertaining, gift giving, and campaign contributions. One of the newest forms of lobbying is to offer information, information packaging is done by people who have vast knowledge of how things work or have deep connections with elected members of government.
        This is why his numbers will tank everywhere he goes, because as soon as people start hearing about this stuff, they start to understand how toxic his nomination would be.

        I?m sorry, I like the way Newt debates as well, but he has had many issues with doing things the way they should. Newt is not conservative; he used to look down on conservatives, like they were some lessor being. He would say “those conservatives” this, and those conservatives that. He even called them hateful and cannibals.

        This is why Newt was never going to be the nominee, and I cannot see how that changes in other states.

        • bzip

          Yep, I totally agree with you.

          That is just it, even Perry said the same thing. The stuff on Newt is true, the negative ads aren’t Newt-boating. Newt did sit on the couch with Pelosi, Newt did get a ethic violation, Newt did support the mandate, etc – what is put in these ads are true.

          That is why Newt can get hit so hard and will be terrible if the nominee – he just has too much bad baggage. Now Newt can cry all he wants about the negative ads and ho much money was spent but what was in those ads are true.

          • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

            things against him. This is Newt we are talking about, he is the one who is known for taking someone down, and we know he is no wimp, but now he suddenly wants to act like he is above the process. What? This is a joke right Newt.
            Newt does not want to fight for it, because when it comes to the past Newt has so much to go after. The party is not afraid of Newt because he will rock the boat, they are afraid because he will not only lose big time, the coattail will also been hit in a negative way. Newt was a start before he decided to put himself ahead of everyone else, now he is feeling the results of his actions, not just losing the speakership, but he will not be the nominee because of it.

            They said he would run for president in the 90′s, but he could not then, and now that the Tea Party is around, Newt is trying to be something else.

        • clowngirl

          If any of the others had taken the kind of fire Newt has lately they’d be in much worse shape.

          Newt was conducting (apparently) an experiment in positive campaigning and seems to have learned his lesson.

          • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

            The problem is, Newts flaws are very real, and very tellingwhen you put being a bad debater against being some one who cheated on two wives, it is very different. When you put being the only speaker of the house to ever have been found guilty of ethics violations, it is very real. When you put getting paid over a million from Freddia Mac, it is very real. Newt has no ready made defense for these attacks, so he tried to just say hey I am running a positive campaign, That is not going to work, because of Newts past is very real. Newt says it was politics that gave him the ethics violations, but he was found guilty by 3 Repubs and 4 Democrats out of 8 people, and the one who did not want to find him guilty said it was not that he was not guilty, it was he thought the punishment was too much.

            Newt will fall like this in every state, and Romney is happy that Newt was on top, and now he is happy Santorum is helping split the vote. I see no path to the nomination for Newt, I cannot see why what happen in Iowa will not happen everywhere else. With the internet, all people have to do is research to see how much of the stuff on Newt is very real.

          • clowngirl

            And as I understand it, Newt was later vindicated on the ethics violations.

            Long repented private sins are far less relevant than a candidate’s competence as a debater.

            If you had anti-Romney commercials back to back to back evert commercial break, every day for the last 2 weeks in Iowa showing Willard talking about how he’s not Reagan Republican, how he’s always been pro-choice, how great Romneycare was, how he made money off Fannie and Freddie, how many people he laid off, etc., etc, etc. he’d be in single digits.

            If all Perry’s gaffes were played constantly – he would be as well.

            Don’t even get me started on Ron Paul.

            As to why what happened in Iowa won’t happen everywhere. For one thing, there aren’t that many states small enough for this number of ads to have such an impact and now Newt can afford to fight back effectively.

          • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

            ….but ethics and character are much more relevant, as is focus and persistence. What part of Newt’s record suggests that he has the temperament and intestinal fortitude to fight out necessary cultural change in Washington DC or would he just cut and run as is his habit?

          • clowngirl

            That’s a paraphrase of what Steve Deace said when endorsing Newt.

            I agree with you that ethics and character are important but don’t agree with you in assuming Newt * currently* lacks character. He says he’s repented and there doesn’t seem to be any reason to disbelieve that.

            As to Newt’s record: I would say that Newt’s leadership in bringing about welfare reform is just one good example of Newt’s ability to bring about cultural change.

            I just read and am disgusted by an article on politico that lumps the whole Republican field together and calls them weak, boring and mediocre — so I’m particularly disinclined to say anything negative about Governor Perry’s debating or anything else this morning.

            Look, Newt hasn’t been attacked to the level that he was because he’s a bad person. He’s been attacked with extraordinary viciousness mostly because he was a mortal threat to Mitt Romney.

            On top of that there was probably a momentum that encouraged piling on the guy getting attacked and with Ron Paul it was probably partly personal. Apparently Paul holds a grudge because Newt endorsed and raised money for his opponent at one point. (showing admirable judgement in so doing.)

          • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

            ….and to me Newt hasn’t shown the fruits of repentance, not necessarily just for his sins of the flesh, but for the even more dangerous prideful attitude of thinking himself above others, the smartest man in the room, that has led (probably) to many of his mistakes. Nor has he shown to me the discipline to deal with adversity rather than cut and run as he has so often in the past, both in his Congressional career as in his first two marriages. These are character flaws that cannot merely be brushed away in an instant, but take a lengthy process of correction and discipline which I haven’t seen.

          • ihateliberals

            another GOP loser in the Hall of shame with Ford and Dole.

    • http://www.baseballcrank.com Dan McLaughlin

      if he can repeat the Iowa trick there of spending massively more time in state than everyone else in the field.

      As you can well imagine, this is a physical impossibility.

      • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

        and I think that is why conservatives are messing up if they do not get behind Perry big time.

        • greyeagle

          Apparently they never learn. They will again let the Republican elite or the media choose our candidate.

      • A_Texan

        If Santorum wins in IA, then he’ll have the momentum to win SC, but much will depend on who will be splitting the conservative vote with him, and how they respond. If, as in 2008, Rick Perry plays Fred Thompson’s role of attacking Huckabee, not McCain, then Romney wins SC and the nomination. It looks, however, like Gingrich might focus his attacks on Romney, which might balance things out there.

        I was a Thompson supporter and majorly disappointed in the results.

        • carolynr

          I live in the neighboring state…..we are state’s rights and we don’t like spending.

    • Scope

      did he have “tons of money” to compete in SC? Isn’t SC where he said he spent the night in a Holiday Inn Express that didn’t have newspapers?

      • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

        he stated he went for Romney in 2008 because Huck did not have enough cash to face McCain, and Romney was the most conservative that could face McCain and win. Well that is the argument against Santorum right now.

        • carolina

          He’s an opportunist who does not have a clue about the reality of his ‘position’.

          • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

            No, he is much more frightening. He is a true believer, and a zealot.

            There are extremists of every ideology and conservatism is not immune to this. In this case he is an extremist social conservative and a war hawk. Fiscal matters for him are at best an afterthought.

            This is hardly the time for that kind of leadership.

          • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

            I think Santorum will do all he can to get power. He was so mad when others came up in the polls. You never seen Perry angry that he fell, he is willing to do the work it takes to win. Santorum is too, but for him it is all or none. He will lose to Romney and then endorse him to gain favor with the establishment media.

          • A_Texan

            Once you get to the point of trying to pile inconsistent epithets on a guy, your into derangement syndrome land where hostility blinds reason.

            Evil genius! No, he’s a moron! Cf. Bush Derangement Syndrome c. 2004.

          • carolynr

            he is unrealistic in his expectations. For instance…if you are going to wipe out Iran’s nuclear facilities…keep you mouth shut about it and blame China for it…or Saudi Arabia. At the very least…don’t get into policy decision…not past actions of Obama…but future policy decisions during this time of turmoil. That shows he lacks the maturity or wisdom to be president.

      • A_Texan

        And I think it’s fair to say the reason he lost is because Romney and Thompson split the social conservative vote with him. Frankly, Fred Thompson threw everything he had at Huckabee, which was perfect timing for McCain, whom Thompson then quickly endorsed after the primary.

  • texasref

    There are three tickets out of Iowa. Iowa’s Republican governor says so, and I agree with him.

    Your comment: “Where Iowa could matter a lot, however, is in sorting out the four candidates running as the field?s conservatives: Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Michele Bachmann.” We know Ron Paul and Mitt Romney are finishing in the top 3. We know that Huntsman is going nowhere in New Hampshire given how strong Romney is there. We know that others will play far more effectively in South Carolina than Hunstman will. He won’t be around by the time we get to Florida. So that leaves the four you mentioned. Three out of those 4 are going to leave Iowa with no ticket punched and no more money coming in.

    So while it’s true what you say about Iowa and NH being only the tip of the delegate iceberg, it really is curtains for 3 of the 4 true conservatives. It looks like Santorum is the mainstream conservative standard bearer coming out of Iowa.

    The only shot conservatives have at having another one besides Santorum from the list of 4 you mentioned is if one of them like Gingrich or Perry can somehow blow away Romney into 4th place. The chances of Romney finishing in 4th are about 2%. But hey, 1-outers do happen in poker as in life.

    • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

      if it did then Romney would already be the nominee.

    • bzip

      “There are three tickets out of Iowa. Iowa?s Republican governor says so, and I agree with him.”

      That isn’t actually accurate – I saw that segment on Fox. Branstand (sp) also stated specifically in the case of Perry – he had the money to continue onward even if he didn’t make the top 3 and I agree with that.

      Also, something many people keep forgetting or not mentioning much – this is NOT a winner take all, the process has changed since 2008 and it no longer is a 3 ticket or someone has to win either Iowa or NH…it doesn’t hold the process has changed.

    • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

      Fred! didn’t exit until after SC, and Giuliani stayed until he found out his Florida strategy was the failure everyone told him it would be. Romney hung on until Super Tuesday, and The Huckster never quit even when it was obvious he couldn’t win.

  • bzip

    My educated guess: Perry takes 2nd or 3rd but NO lower than 4th in Iowa. I think the polls suggest Perry is tied with Newt and not far behind Santorum BUT the ground game is the main game.

    So based on polling and the ground game numbers I predict a Perry 2nd or 3rd in Iowa. I can?t see Perry doing any worse than 4th and in 4th he still has a ticket out of Iowa (maybe a bit harder though).

    Iowa: 1,774 caucus precincts (number of actual voting locations is much smaller – 900 – because many smaller precincts are combined into one setting.).

    Ron Paul (1):
    1,480 volunteers to serve as precinct leaders

    Rick Perry (2):
    As of Friday, the Texas governor had signed up 1,500 precinct leaders
    The Perry camp also has 470 out-of-state volunteers

    Rick Santorum (1):
    ?over 1,000 precinct leaders?
    Rick Santorum?s support ? my guess is it is very soft, as he just started his surge and most of it isn?t well rooted like Perry?s or Paul?s.

    Newt: Not known but fairly well accepted that Newt doesn?t have anywhere near the ground game as: Paul, Perry or Santorum. That is why I can say fairly confidently that Newt finish behind Perry and Perry can?t do any worse then 4th.

    What I don?t know is the Ground game for Romney?

    My Take overall take on Iowa: Romney, Paul, Perry, Santorum, Newt, Bachmann

    In the end though, Santourm gets crushed at some point in the near future, he can’t compete against the big guys like: Romney, Perry, etc

    (1)Paul campaign reveals ground game details
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/02/paul-campaign-reveals-ground-game-details/

    (2)TRENDING: Perry bets Iowa fortunes on robust ground game
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/31/perry-bets-iowa-fortunes-on-robust-ground-game/

    • obamasocialist

      I’ll bet you $1 (I can’t afford $10,000) that Perry doesn’t do better than forth in Iowa.

      • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

        but I will say I am confident Perry will do much better than people think, Iowa is so hard to poll, and predictions here fail so often that no one really takes any seriously. Perry will probably come in 3rd in Iowa, if the non-Romney vote wants to keep from having a Romney nomination, then we better hope so.

      • gekster

        In what country and when has socialism wotked as a governing philosophy.

        • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

          Do not care if socialism has ever worked, they will point to the Swiss, which is just a distortion. The Swiss have a situation where they get money from so many other countries that it helps them maintain, but that would not work for the countries that do not have that situation, and why would we even want it too, that is not liberty. It is a Simulacrum, and it will not ever work.

          • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

            So I asked him if he would also like to see the USA adopt mandatory universal enlistment in the militia, along with mandatory gun ownership.

            He said, “Well I never said they were perfect”.

          • aesthete

            They have been quite high on Heritage’s index of economic freedom for many years, and have a small government compared to other Euro states. Scandanavia is where lots of government nonsense goes on.

          • ihateliberals

            Liberalism, socialism and communism can not stand on its own.

          • lineholder

            Even Communist China has recognized the fact that socialistic-style policies are very expensive and sustaining them requires a lot of revenues. Where do those revenues come from? The best means is through capitalistic trade.

            And oddly enough, in its own way, China is setting an example for other nations that have attempted to implemented full-blown socialism and failed to do so. Other countries are now looking at how to increase their share of the trade market, even if does mean applying the horrible,evil principles of free-market capitalism.

            What’s even worse for us? We could blow them all away! Our nation is the one nation across the entire globe whose people have proven time after time that they have the potential, creativity and ingenuity to be leaders where free-market capitalism is concerned.

      • bzip

        Nope, in fact you would be shock where I am from but it isn’t Texas.

        Perry has a pack full house for his Perry Event;
        http://twitter.com/#!/BenPhilpottKUT/status/153996729400823808/photo/1

        • pj2012

          http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2012/01/02/the-conservative-race-in-iowa/#comment-9994

      • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

        Hold on, let me show you the door.

        • texasref

          Perry is in roughly 5th place or 4th place in the polls.

          • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

            and what his/her very name is saying.

          • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

            …with his username, I generally take advantage of it. :)

          • texasref

            I saw it but just assumed he was calling Obama a socialist, which he is.

      • APA Guy

        Save it for a McDouble, kid.

        • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

          I am wondering how these people expect to survive without the tax payers paying their bills. It is the people who pay their taxes that allow me to go to school because my parents and I are poor, so loans was the only choice I had, and I am thinking will be paying them back for a while. Many of these fools are college students, and they are in situations like me, but rather than being thankful that we are lucky enough to have help, they want to destroy the ability of those who make that possible. I just do not get it.

      • annie54

        Are you saying that Perry is going forward? Do you even have a $1 to bet, obamaperson? ‘Better take a spelliing course.

  • alorfi

    You are absolutely correct about how critical third place is in Iowa. Romney can shrug it off and Paul is irrelevant since he can’t take the nomination. Third place would be the end of Santorum, but would be a huge moral victory for Gingrich. It is an impossibility for Bachmann. However, a third place finish for Rick Perry changes everything. It effectively blunts the Santorum surge as long-term viability of the non-Romney candidate becomes the focus. Should Perry finish third in Iowa, he will very likely break through and win South Carolina and probably Florida. The ace in his pocket, of course, is the Texas primary in early-April. If Perry is still in the mix, it stands to reason this winner-take-all 155 delegate primary goes to him. A third-place finish in Iowa would be enormous for the Perry campaign.

    • texasref

      but bronze is still bronze. You’re right it’s gold in the sense of it’s a ticket punched through to Super Tuesday, but bronze is not gold.

      • davesinsanantonio

        decathalon. The Republican primaries are endurance events, not short sprints. If Perry does well in Iowa he will be poised for the long run. If he does poorly there he will have to continue as the tortoise until the hares all fall asleep.
        Proportional delegates help him in the early primaries, winner takes all helps him in the late ones.

  • gator_hoo

    I agree with you that Perry will be the nominee if he gets third in Iowa AND Newt doesn’t get Fourth.

    If it finishes Romney.Paul, Perry, Newt… I think Newt may be able to ride his endorsements in NH to third in NH.

    Then he is still in the race with Perry in SC, and they split the vote again, and Romney wins again… at that point, Romney who has won the first three primaries, two of which were in “hostile” territory… is seen as the inevitable candidate and wins.

    • don12345

      Iowa looks like it will pick 1 of 3 people. In any of those scenarios Romney wins. If Paul or Santorum win Iowa, Romney will win in the end, because both of those guys only can win in a place like Iowa, and it means the rest of the field will drop out because they will look so unelectable after Iowa.

      • davesinsanantonio

        NO ONE has actually voted yet!!!!

    • carolynr

      From my experience on the phonebank I did listen to one man…heavy GOP that was going for Newt. Some establishment GOP people do not want Romney…no way.

  • gator_hoo

    I agree with you that Perry will be the nominee if he gets third in Iowa AND Newt doesn’t get Fourth.

    If it finishes Romney.Paul, Perry, Newt… I think Newt may be able to ride his endorsements in NH to third in NH.

    Then he is still in the race with Perry in SC, and they split the vote again, and Romney wins again… at that point, Romney who has won the first three primaries, two of which were in “hostile” territory… is seen as the inevitable candidate and wins.

    • flgal208

      and the GOV of FL likes Perry, a lot. He governs like Perry and if he and Alan West endorse Perry, Newt is gone. Also, in SC the big fish is Jim DeMint, NOT Haley. What Jim DeMint does, will determine SC, IMHO…

      • jayjayson

        What happens if Paul’s support is over sampled in the polls and we end up with a Romney, Perry Newt, Santorm finish? Perry and Newt could hit each other over and over till after FL and it not matter, as long as one of them has money left.

        • flgal208

          Newt won’t have a chance in Fl and here’s why: It’s HUGE and while 60 out of 67 counties are red, those red views are diverse, so you HAVE to have the ground game and money to travel the entire state. See, NE Fl is MILITARY, there are TWO Navy bases, a Coast Guard Station and two Marine bases and a TON of vets, so they want a STRONG leader (they voted heavily for mccain).

          Travel 1.5 hours down the road and you have the I-4 corridor with a big mish-mash of opinions and moderates, starting at Daytona with its college kids (4 colleges there), snow birds, good ole boys and beachers and ending in Tampa which has a large Hispanic community and a big university). And don’t forget Orlando voted for that idiot Alan Greyson (shudder)…

          Travel into the center and away from Orlando and you have retiree villages and good country folk.

          Travel into S FL and you have a housing market that’s been devastated and is riper than usual to hear from a job creator AND how Texas’s housing market is booming. YOu also have a large Jewish community who while being disgusted with BO, won’t lean Republican, no matter what. They will sit it out.

          The west coast is senior citizenville, but more conservative than the ones in S Fl.

          Tally is BLUE, but the college students there at FSU,( not FAMU) might be open to hearing about jobs from a job creator, but not a grey-headed grandpa who hasn’t done anything since before most were born (unless he wants legalize pot).

          The panhandle is military, but also country oriented.

          So, IMHO ONLY Romney & Perry have a chance and IMHO again, Romney will do better in S FL and Perry the rest of the state…

          • lizzie

            except for one thing about Jewish voters. We have the highest voter participation rate because we know historically that it is a privilege to vote.

            I was born and grew up in Miami, but came north for college in 1969 and never looked back.
            In 2008, Obama made Israel, and his foreign policy worldview, a top 3 issue for me for the first time. I voted for McCain in a NY CD where most of the Jewish voters split their vote McCain for pres, but most of us voted for our House rep, to send a signal, which he heard. Still awaiting the new NY map.

            I know reliable liberal dems who just did NOT vote for president in 2008, but did vote down ticket. because of Obam’s foreign policy.

            So, the SE Florida Jewish voters will do one of two things – vote for a GOP candidate they trust, or only vote down ticket.

            Gov. Perry’s relationship with Israel is so multi-dimensional, mostly based on economic and trade and technology and history, not the “Rapture” myth that liberals like to label him with. I can assure you that Perry can win the Jewish vote, and the Cuban Hispanic vote in SE FL, as easily as he can win the Jewish and Hispanic vote in New York outside of Manhattan.

            I am still puzzled why Miami’s Ileana Ros-Lehtinen endorsed Romney.
            I know she knows what Perry has done for Israel. Very disappointing for such a smart person who represents my birthplace zip code..

            I would go back to SE Florida to personally convince them to vote for Perry.
            Romney is a squish on Israel. Give me deeds and words over squish any day.

            The Federal debt and job-growing economy have always been my 1-2 issues.

          • lizzie

            except for one thing about Jewish voters. We have the highest voter participation rate because we know historically that it is a privilege to vote.

            I was born and grew up in Miami, but came north for college in 1969 and never looked back.
            In 2008, Obama made Israel, and his foreign policy worldview, a top 3 issue for me for the first time. I voted for McCain in a NY CD where most of the Jewish voters split their vote McCain for pres, but most of us voted for our House rep, to send a signal, which he heard. Still awaiting the new NY map.

            I know reliable liberal dems who just did NOT vote for president in 2008, but did vote down ticket. because of Obam’s foreign policy.

            So, the SE Florida Jewish voters will do one of two things – vote for a GOP candidate they trust, or only vote down ticket.

            Gov. Perry’s relationship with Israel is so multi-dimensional, mostly based on economic and trade and technology and history, not the “Rapture” myth that liberals like to label him with. I can assure you that Perry can win the Jewish vote, and the Cuban Hispanic vote in SE FL, as easily as he can win the Jewish and Hispanic vote in New York outside of Manhattan.

            I am still puzzled why Miami’s Ileana Ros-Lehtinen endorsed Romney.
            I know she knows what Perry has done for Israel. Very disappointing for such a smart person who represents my birthplace zip code..

            I would go back to SE Florida to personally convince them to vote for Perry.
            Romney is a squish on Israel. Give me deeds and words over squish any day.

            The Federal debt and job-growing economy have always been my 1-2 issues.

          • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

            …and that is [based on what I was told @ the ZOA Annual Dinner, in Thanksgiving] that Molinari is pressuring congress-people to endorse Mitt ASAP.

          • carolynr

            Having lived in the State for 35+ years….and having sold RE in the state….I know the demographics…and most of the papers…with the exception of the middle of the state or the panhandle, some of FL is evolving progressive..with Naples leaning moderate. We have to be concerned with Sheeples…and how they listen. Good communication is A MUST for Perry in FL…otherwise the press defines the candidate.

            We need the Latino vote. Dade County (Miami) has lots of Latinos and I believe that Perry could make an impact…because of his stance on immigration…meaning laws on the books and securing the border. However, he did show an economic viewpoint concerning in-state tuition. I don’t know how that will go over with the rest of the State in that LaRaza in now suing FL for in-state tuition rates. Most of the affluent Jewish population has moved out of Miami…they didn’t like the Cubans. They moved North into Broward County (Ft. Lauderdale). That is Blue. There is nothing Conservative about that County. Lots of the Jewish population moved into that county…however they are elderly. The Democratic machine goes and picks them up and tells them how to vote (shades of Teddy Kennedy). The one thing Perry needs to pound home is that current SS recipients will not lose theirs. Quite frankly, the Jewish population of that county could care less about Israel…they are more concerning about perks…good old Dems.
            Palm Beach County. More affluent. Now…here is where Romney and Perry can battle it out. Some believe that WILLARD is a New England Blue blood and will vote for him on that alone. However, Perry needs to sell Palm Beach on his economic plan and also keep pounding home SS for those living in the county that are less affluent. As we move up the East Coast…we get into Stuart (Martin County) and St. Lucie County. More bad news….they are blue collar democrats from the NE USA. They are rah rah for Santorum and his manufacturing gimmick. Further up the coast we get more Conservative….and it remains so because of military….WITH THE EXCEPTION OF Jacksonville. That is Democratic. The Panhandle is Conservative and military. However…did you know we have a MidEast Cabal in Orlando? Going down the West Coast…it remains Conservative until we get into Tampa. That will go WILLARD. St. Pete could go Perry IF HE MAKES SURE THEY KNOW THAT SS does not go away. Going South…more Conservatism. We get into Ft. Meyers and we are back into blue collar…but more Conservative thinking. Naples is wealthy…so business is on their mind. Perry needs to one up WILLARD on his wheelhouse crap and point to his success. The middle of the state is Conservative. The college kids at the University of Miami, FL State, Gator Country (Gainesville) and University of SF (West Coast) NEED TO hear Perry’s SOLUTION TO SS with private accounts. This is a BIG WINNER FOR PERRY with college students and it takes the wind out of Paul’s sails.

            Most important things to win FL for Perry. SS…the solution and a promise not to take away what they have. They are very worried about that. Business…needs to play that up big. Bring jobs and their housing is revived. The private accounts are important on the SS for the college students and younger people. The immigration issue is going to play big. Like I said, FL is being sued by LaRaza for in-state tuition. Somehow…Perry has to walk the fine line. He wins Dade County. However…WILLARD’S strong suit…no illegal aliens. How he intends to do this is unexplained…but that will play MEGA big in FL. They do not want illegal immigration.

            Another selling point…Perry needs to get this Healthy Texas idea in their head. They are paying $$ for health insurance. Tort reform.

          • flgal208

            it did NOT vote for BO. Even though Jville does have a large black population, they segregate themselves, so while they are blue, they only occupy one district and so even though they came out in force for BO, they couldn’t overcome the heavy military influence and its retirees that stay here. So, look for these counties here to stay RED and for the military guy. Yes, Jville just voted in a black DEM mayor, but he’s very moderate and won because he touted jobs, jobs, jobs and his opponents fractured themselves so badly and he was an “insider”. Anyway, the entire NE will go to Perry.

            Mom mom lives in Boca (where I grew up) and owns a thriving Interior Design firm and has a ton of Jewish clients/friends and she says they still defend BO (!!) and the few that don’t, just won’t vote for the presidency…so, I hope you’re right and they vote GOP/Perry…what I do know is that they don’t seem to care much for Mormons, but you’re right, if Willard makes a better play over SS, they and all the retirees (except military) fall for it.

            Yes, he needs to deal with in-state tuition by pushing the tax payer vice tax taker and address SS. As for the Newt comment, Newt’s numbers WERE big in BROWARD & DADE, not exactly a bastion of conservativeness LOL!

            Perry needs GOV Scott and either West or Rubio (but I think rubio is much more of a political beast than people know and could flip for Willard to boost his career)…I think it will depend on SC. If Perry wins SC, then I think the endoresements will roll in for Perry.

            Oh and because of the AIDS explosion back in the 90′s, I think Floridians don’t give a rat’s butt about the HPV thing (which was done for the right reasons), believe me they know prevention is huge AND ALL the pediatricians here lament the GOV NOT mandating them so insurance would cover it…

            Willard said he wants to ship all illegals back!! (Bachmann, too). That’s insane AND how does he think a ton of people ended up in Florida, not just Cubans, but the whole Caribbean? Hello, they came here illegally. The ONLY reason I think he can take the south is because he’s such a RINO as is much of the non-DEM’s, that Perry, even though he doesn’t believe in amnesty OR shipping them back, still gets hammered because he’s so fiscally conservative.

          • guvhog

            You do realize that Newt is currently Dominating Florida with a 14 point lead don’t you???

          • flgal208

            not in the North or country

  • flgal208

    is who the BUSINESS person wants and it’s Perry. Why? Because of all the candidates he’s the only with a state creating/enticing jobs. Romeny can SAY he’s a business man, but as a GOV, what jobs did he bring to MASS? Perry/TX has the record to back up his beliefs.

    While Perry is getting money from ones and twos, like us, businesses are dumping money into his campaign. They’re not doing that for Santorum, Paul, Newt, Bachmann or Huntman. Romney is getting money from BIG GLOBAL corporations, not American companies like Caterpillar…

    That’s why Fox Business Channel and its hosts (like Cavuto & Eric Bolling)are more friendly than FNC towards Perry—they like the 20% flat tax, they like no death tax, they like streamlining government and they really like his record in Texas of balancing their budgets and saving (they have a 600 million rainy day fund)…

    That’s why Santorum doesn’t have a chance even if he finishs first in Iowa, he won’t get any good endorsements because he doesn’t any governing record…

  • ombd

    Agree that Perry has the most staying power of anyone not named Romney but disagree that a 3rd place showing gets him the nomination. Likely a moot point as he’ll probably be battling Newt for 4th. Still, as this analysis points out, oftentimes in Iowa it’s what happens at the bottom that is more telling that what may happen on top … http://bit.ly/qVdDUt

  • Carol Tarasewicz

    I believe Rick Perry will win third, if not second. The people that support Paul don’t have a record ot turning out. Santorum is the newest not-Romney candidate and he can’t do anything once he’s out of Iowa.
    Iowa has to vote for a conservative that can carry the general election. I see Perry as the only one with the money and support from people, not big companies, that can win.

  • tomatin

    If Romney does win IA and NH it could give him a strong enough tail wind to carry SC, especially if Gingrich and Perry split the conservative voters there. I think we need to be rooting for ABR right now in IA because if he wins it could be game over.

    • guvhog

      That’s not going to happen. Romney will not win South Carolina or any other Southern state.

      • thirstyboots

        I bet he wins both SC and Florida.

        South Carolina has a history of coalescing around the establishment candidate/frontrunner and Florida is a lot about having the money to populate the airwaves.

  • waitaminute

    Ah, I can always count on RedState to overstate Perry’s chances and understate everyone else’s.

    • dirlie

      not just a river in Egypt, and the Perry-bots swim in it here

      • kindredsoul

        I’ve been reading all the posts on this site for the last several weeks. I think it’s fair to say that we all have our favorites — as it should be, that’s how the vetting process is supposed to work. What disturbs me, however, is the growing sense of mean-spiritedness I am seeing the closer we get to Iowa. I know who I want to win/place well and you and others have been clear as well. When the dust finally settles, we have to unite to beat Obama. I understand that passions run high. I think we all fear for this nation if Obama is selected for another term (notwithstanding George Will’s fine editorial the other day on why conservatives should be happy regardless of the 2012 outcome). But insults and sniping from people representing Candidate A or Candidate B or Candidate C are not exactly going to endear me to their candidate if they win. Frankly, I’d just prefer that folks make their case for their man/woman, point out the shortcomings they see in that candidate and others, and do so with the kind of class that I think all contributors here typically have.

        Part of what you’re seeing here waitaminute and dirlie is venting, worry, excitement and passion for the candidates. Red State is supposed to be a safe space to do that. The truth is that no one knows what’s going to happen tomorrow. If your guy wins and is the eventual nominee, I want to like him/her — not be bitter because of something someone wrote here. I can’t think of a more depressing way to suppress votes: conservative blood sport/infighting.

        Let’s all have a debate. Let’s not accuse each other of being delusional, stupid, or evil.

        Have a nice day.

        • dansvan

          Thanks for the reminder – good word!

  • lineholder

    Did you see the post at HA about the final two days of DMR poll in Iowa? Ron Paul was down to third and dropping, Santorum had increased to second, and Romney was holding steady.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/01/01/dmr-poll-shows-santorum-rising-paul-stalling-and-romney-steady/

    Depending on how quickly Ron Paul is dropping, this might generate an opening for one of the four candidates you mentioned, Newt or Perry being the most likely, wouldn’t it?

  • tomatin

    Poll Romney Paul Santorum Gingrich Perry
    RCP Avg 22.8 21.5 16.3 13.7 11.5

    Just for predictions sake I think it’s going to be.

    Paul
    Romney
    Gingrich
    Perry
    Santorum

    Now if Perry can get enough of Santorum’s and Bachman’s support he could finish 3rd. It really depends on how good Perry’s people are on the ground.

    RSer’s better hope Romney does not win for obvious reasons

    • lineholder

      -

      • tomatin

        I know it’s a pretty bold prediction but I’m counting on the cultish behavior of Paul followers and his organization in IA.

        I’m obviously counting on Perry to perform better than his poll numbers too because I think Santorum’s got phantom support in IA.

        I really can’t believe they are even going to bother to declare a “winner” when the lead candidate will get less than 25% of the vote.

  • pj2012

    http://www.c-span.org/Events/Rick-Perry-Ends-Campaign-Day-in-Perry-Iowa/10737426778/

    • pj2012

      nt

      • windwaker24

        He was great. Where was this Perry during this campaign? He rattled off information like nobody’s business. He was clear, passionate, and concise. I hope he brings THIS Perry to the debates and to SC and NH after Iowa.

        • pj2012

          and that’s what matters…. no looking back ;-)

        • lizzie

          posting the URL.

          I had checked C-Span’s schedule at mid-day, and happy they added this since then, because, THIS is the Rick Perry everyone expected. First time I have heard him in Iowa from my online seclusion in Blue State Blues Massachusetts
          as that full throated passionate Aggie Yell Leader – I am from the south, and know a yell leader’s job is to get the crowd to yell so loud that the opposing team can not hear the paly on the field.

          Well, that sure perked ME up.

          As to the Iowa outcome?

          I also am not in the betting business, so three thoughts on Iowa’s caucusees on Tuesday night:

          1) Blowback on Ron Paul if his precinct captains/surrogate speakers try to intimidate anyone. Also hoping that Jan 5 2009 Ron Paul interview with Iran’s PRESS TV has gotton around because, I do not care how anti-war you are, what Ron Paul said to Iranian state TV is to the far left of Dennis Kucinich (and probably why Dr. Paul supported Cynthia McKinney)

          2) Hoping football fans and NCIS fans (new episode!) who support Rick Perry all have dvrs. I am serious. Nothing comes between me and a new episode of NCIS. Fortunately, I am not an Iowan.

          3) With Iowa Rep. Steve King finally deciding to stay neutral, and Santorum’s alignment with the Big Government Bush43/DeLay years and Santorum’s post 2006 “consulting” for lobbyists coming out, I really do think Rick Perry will exceed expectations. Maybe even #1 or #2, but, if fourth, it will be fourth in an inconclusive four-way near tie.

          As for New Hampshire? the Boston Globe ran a very long article about Rick Perry and Marcus Luttrell today. Finally told the whole story.

          I sent it to a Mass. friend, who emailed me back, and thanked me, and then wrote “Now I understand why you support Rick Perry.

          Most of the voters in New Hampshire live in the Boston media market.

          All Rick Perry needs to do is ace the weekend debates when he gets his 2-3 questions, and barnstorm thru NH for two days. It really is a small geography, and Perry does have a ground game in place.

          The most important outcome in NH is for Romney to go below 35%, Ron Paul to fade (thank you Huntsman for working on that), and for Perry to approach 10%, far exceeding expectations. And to come in ahead of Santorum.

          Marathon indeed.

        • lineholder

          I didn’t see the C-Span video, so I’m going only from what you’ve posted, and the fact that I know you’re a Perry supporter…and the fact that even you seem to be somewhat surprised by this.

          Want to know a secret? I’m not surprised. I may not agree with Rick Perry 100% in his position on different issues, but I’ve always suspected that there are two candidates in this race who have a specific kind of potential that my grandaddy used to call “a fire in the belly”…Perry and Gingrich.

          This trait can be very compelling in many ways. People are just inherently drawn to the strength and confidence of it. And against the very stoic Obama, in the economic situation our nation has been facing, it is a this kind of “fire” that can win people to our side.

          Good. I hope he keeps it up. For his sake as well as for our own, because it will raise the bar for the rest of the anti-Mitts.

          • windwaker24

            Yes, I was shocked because one of the things that’s been upsetting me throughout this campaign was his seemingly lack of fire to be President. He always seemed shy and reserved. He had fire when he met Obama at the plane concerning the border. He had fire in Hannity’s 2010 rally. Tonight, I saw the man I’ve waited for. I’ve stuck by him because I love his record and I think he can get this economy going again like he’s done for Texas. For me, I want another job. I want to get out of my mother’s house. I want to get my paralegal certificate. I tired of putting my life on hold. For me to do all of this, the economy needs to be sound. Perry truly is “America’s Jobs Governor” and he articulated that perfectly tonight, and for that I am proud of him! :)

          • pttx333

            I was in downtown Houston for many years before retiring. You will LOVE it. Prayers go out for you in your quest, dear one.

            Still popping my buttons over Perry – he’s really got his natural-born Mojo working! He wasn’t a yell leader at Texas A&M for nothing – they do not elect shy, retiring, wilted petunias for that job! ;-)

          • pttx333

            I was in downtown Houston for many years before retiring. You will LOVE it. Prayers go out for you in your quest, dear one.

            Still popping my buttons over Perry – he’s really got his natural-born Mojo working! He wasn’t a yell leader at Texas A&M for nothing – they do not elect shy, retiring, wilted petunias for that job! ;-)

        • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

          His back must be 100% better. That’s my only guess. That, and the Lord is blessing abundantly. Praise Him and pass the ammunition! I think he’s going to give Newt and Mitt a run for his money.

          I’m looking forward to these next few weeks with a bizarre mix of excitement and trepidation. My mom and I were discussing it this evening while getting supper ready…she thinks it’s going to get really nasty. I’m agreeing with her, especially if Perry starts moving up and really challenging Romney. But I’m ready (sorta, I’m still mustering up all my courage!) and willing to be a little foot soldier. Please keep up the encouragement, friends, because I think we’re all going to need it!

        • pttx333

          is my Governor and the man for whom I have voted each and every time he has run for office. And, though it would grieve me to lose my Governor, I believe he is needed more as our President now in order to lead us through the abyss created by b.o. and his minions (I include RINOs in that statement). Enjoy him, hon, for what you see is what you get with our guy – no frills, no pretty talk, just shoot-straight-from-the-hip common sense with incredible creds to add to the mix. He’ll lead us back home, windwaker!

          • princessconsuela

            I too will miss him, but am willing to make the sacrifice that is needed. Wished we could’ve been with him tonight for support but alas, we are in Texas. The amount of praise everyone is giving him gives me goosebumps. They are finally seeing what we have been saying all along!

          • pttx333

            Oh, yes, I would have given anything to be there tonight, but I was doing my share whooping and hollering right here watching the video. Wow! He was wonderful. Yep, he’s got that Mojo going that he always had before the back surgery way-laid him for a while. But he’s back on his mark just where he’s always been.

            Yep, we’ll miss him and be stuck with Dewhurst (ugh) for a time, but in this day and age Perry is needed in D.C. We’ll tough it out here and fix things on our end.

            Good talkin’ to you ‘consuela! And welcome to RS – I’ve not seen you before.

          • princessconsuela

            Ive been reading out here for months but just got an account this past week. I have seen you though. I love all of your posts, very well stated. What is the saddest is if Perry wins and becomes President McDreamy and Dewhurst wins his bid who will we get??? A little scary. Perry is on a roll, saying everything he needs to and I have never been more impressed. As our governer we never really heard from him unless something was wrong. I liked that and look forward to not having to see president telepromt daily. Lol

          • pttx333

            I just calls ‘em as I sees ‘em and let the chips fall where they may. Good for you for getting an account – you’re going to love it here, I promise. There is no way to tell you just how much I have learned from RS, and the learning process continues anew each day. Since Fox bombed out for me, this is where I get the bulk of my news – it is reliable and far more extensively reported here than anywhere else. I’m so thankful.

            I’m liking Ted Cruz, ‘consuela, but haven’t thought about Texas a great deal the past few months – hate to confess that, but it is true. Just trying to get our guy Perry in the White House, then we can straighten out the mess here. And we will do it, no doubt about that.

            So nice to have you here, ‘consuela!

  • pj2012

    What was he thinking?

    Did Rick Santorum Really Talk About Making ?Black People?s Lives Better? With ?Somebody Else?s Money?? -Tommy Christopher

    • lineholder

      Although I’d probably agree with the sentiment of what Santorum meant, that it’s about providing people with individual opportunities rather than government handouts, his choice of words stinks, absolutely and totally stinks!!!

      • pj2012

        it’s all about the words, how you express your views makes all the difference. In this case Santorum blew it big time.

    • windwaker24

      No comment. *glaring*

    • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

      that low income people could be helped, but not by government. This raises the question, does Santorum see black people when he thinks government assistance.

      Well conservatives say goodbye to Santorum ever beating Obama.

      This will be a powerful argument against him like it or not. The nation?s first black president would no doubt not have a hard time using this against us.

    • bzip

      Boy oh boy, I think it is too late to affect Santorum in tomorrow caucuses BUT you can bet this comment by him will be blasted all over the place within days.

      You can also bet this now makes him a total waste in the general election.

      • lightspeed

        he is just making a last-minute push for the Ron Paul/White Supremacist vote.

      • lizzie

        as racist. oops.

        Santorum condescends to want to GIVE black people the opportunity…
        Does he own a cotton plantation somewhere? :)
        Santorum also blew his Breakfast with the Undecideds on Des Moines’ CBS affiliate. Not a good listener, just talks about himself.

        my PC buffer can not do another search to see where KWCH is, or where that event was.

        But, now I see Santorum’s surge deflating (raised the Federal debt ceiling 8 times!), as well as Ron Paul also continuing to deflate. sarc intended.

        • windwaker24

          As for Santorum’s comment, I think it was just ignorant, not racist. My best friend, who is white, had the same problem when we first met. She would throw out ignorant statements like Santorum did and I would gently correct her. She apologized and had to confess that I was the first black person she ever really got to talk to. After a while, as she got know me, she stopped spouting off ignorant things because she became aware that all black people are not cut from the same cloth. I don’t think Santorum is a racist. He just needs more people skills and to learn how to relate to people who are different from him.

          • pttx333

            As the old saying goes, “he’s just eat up with hoof and mouth disease.” And, for me at least, that doesn’t translate well for Presidential material. He does this quite frequently and is such a total turn-off, and I don’t believe there are any crash courses for learning people skills.

    • circlegranch

      .

      • bzip

        It may take some time and if Santorum does well it will take off for sure. Right now it looks like CBS is on it;

        Santorum addresses answer of black’s entitlement reform
        http://youtu.be/tb8dXD5LWZw

        Santorum targets blacks in entitlement reform
        http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57350990-503544/santorum-targets-blacks-in-entitlement-reform/

        • bzip

          Well it looks like it may gain more and more traction;

          Racist Rick Santorum
          http://youtu.be/arHbjqXxvFg

          • lineholder

            Don’t make the mistake of going deeper into this trying to paint Santorum as “racist”. And yes, you have done exactly that. Your words: “Racist Rick Santorum”, not mine. I may not like Santorum’s choice of words and think he could have found a better of pointing out that policies encouraging government dependency and redistribution of wealth are not the way to go. But I do recognize that his words were taken out of context. Here’s the context of what was said:

            “Except that?s not what Santorum said at all. What he said was, ?I don?t want to make [pause] lives, people?s lives better by giving them somebody else?s money.? This makes sense in the context of what immediately preceded this statement: ?It [Medicaid] just keeps expanding. I was Indianola a few months ago, and I was talking with someone who works at the Department of Public Welfare here, and she told me that the state of Iowa is going to get fined if they don?t sign up more people under the Medicaid program. They?re just pushing harder and harder to get more and more of you dependent upon them so that they can get your vote.?

            It doesn’t help Conservatism any if we keep following the lead of the MSM in the narrative that they try to establish about our candidates or about Conservatives in general.

    • carolynr

      Gift To Obama….is he related to Senator Allen…who also lost in VA because of his macaca remarks.

  • Ann2012

    The conservatives running for the nomination should get together before South Carolina and do the following to avoid splitting the vote:

    Newt runs for president and promises Rick Perry that he will be Secretary of Energy and Rick Santorum will be Secretary of Homeland Security in his administration. End of problem – and that guarantees that Romney or Obama will not be president.

    • kindredsoul

      Although I might mix around the cast of characters, I think it would be very interesting if some of the candidates ended their bickering, self-assessed, and tried to come to some kind of “package deal” arrangement. It won’t happen right away but might become part of the discourse if things march on and on and on. I know this is much easier said than done — and egos are/will certainly be in play all around — but your proposal would certainly would shore up the conservative team. Of course, I wanted a pony for Christmas and that didn’t exactly work out . . . but it never hurts to ask. Let’s see where this goes in the next few weeks.

    • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

      qualified that Perry. It makes no sense at all for that to happen, I cannot stand Romney, but he would be better than Newt. Newt would not last against the liberal media onslaught against him.

      He cannot even last against the ads they have up in Iowa by his own side, what in the world gives you the idea that it gets better for him everywhere else.

    • texastaxpayer

      Rick Perry president, he is the only one with successful experience as a governing executive after all.

      Newt as press secretary, he can spend his days lecturing those foolish liberals in the press corp. You can’t act like he wasn’t made for the job.

      Santorum, dog catcher in Oakland. Seems like a job he is actually qualified for.

      • circlegranch

        and whether that’s press secy or some other position, Newt could be enormously helpful to Perry as a top advisor from this point on.

        Has anyone else noticed that maybe Newt might be feeling ill? He’s coughing and the rigors of the campaign have him looking pretty drawn and tired. If he’s not feeling too well that could be resulting in the break-down’s and displays of emotion he’s having. He’s going up a can on Romney starting tomorrow with ads and since there’s plenty there to expose, it will have an impact that will help Perry, as well.

        • carolynr

          The furthest South he can go in VA…say…Bob McDonnell.

          Rubio would be good not because he is seen as a Southerner but as a Latino…that could go either way with electorate. Col. West…good for the military…but since what election has America been counting their votes…they are usually disqualified :-( .

          Nope…Mid America…NE USA, or West Coast or Bob McDonnell.

      • ctredstater

        for seminar leader.

        Maybe President Perry could put Newt in charge of some “Strategic Planning” think tank within his administration – and let him come out every couple of months and hold press conferences.

        Rick Perry for President

        • jakeofalltrades

          of the Senate.

        • lineholder

          he’ll find a way to have Newt as an ally against the left by providing him with a position that holds a bit more status than just “seminar leader”.

    • lizzie

      would be to offer Rick Perry either SecDefense (which he might accept) or Sec Homeland Security which DOES need an overhaul.

      The Dept of Energy is almost all about nuclear energy and weapons and their regulation and safety. Gov. Perry proposes to move all of that to DoDefense.

      My preferred fantasy is Perry gets the GOP nomination, and Gingrich is his Sec of State.

      Both the SecDef and SecState have become the two key global voices for America, after the President.

      Santorum really wants AG, but I doubt his candidacy will survive, and then he can become a lawyer again.

      If Romney is the GOP nominee, then President Obama will finally have someone who can get confirmed by the Senate in 2013 for Sec Treasury.
      I am serious. Obama can not get anyone confirmed anymore – his entire cabinet is being held hostage until the election.

      • flgal208

        I have 10k and I am a betting person and I will bet there is NO WAY Newt takes FL unless Perry and Romney drop out first and then it won’t matter because BO will win. I posted a long reason why on another post and it is valid, but in a nutshell the reason is FL is HUGE and diverse and he would have to have a ton of money and a huge ground game to cover almost 54,000square miles!! Not to mention Texas–and if Jim deMint doesn’t endorse Newt in SC, Newt won’t even have bus fare to FL. Not being mean, just practical.

        • Ann2012

          flgal208,

          I just read your post, please see my reply to texastaxpayer with the subject line: …to avoid seeming shallow?

          He has a great team in Florida: http://www.newt.org/news/newt-2012-announces-florida-county-leadership-team

          if you really want to bet: http://www.intrade.com

      • guvhog

        If Newt gets the GOP Nomination, I could see him choosing Perry as VP and Santorum as AG.

        • Common_Cents

          He said it wasn’t worth a warm bucket of spit. He’s got a cush job in TX already.

    • Ann2012

      Kindredsoul:

      Yes, it’s really unfortunate that we have all these conservative Christians running for office (Gingrich, Perry, Santorum, Bachmann) and because they divide the vote a moderate Mormon Republican may end up winning.

      Don’t want to get into a discussion about Christianity vs. Mormonism, plenty of places of the web outlining Joseph Smith’s unusual beliefs during the 1800′s. Such as we get to be gods someday and have our own planet if we follow Mormonism.

      Joseph Smith actually said this about himself:

      “I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”

      History of the Church, Vol. 6 pp. 408, 409

      I don’t want to vote for a man who was a Mormon missionary and tried to steer people away from Christianity and toward a false prophet like Joseph Smith. I don’t trust his judgment and reasoning.

      Maybe something will happen to combine the conservative vote. Now that Newt raised about 10 million this last quarter he will be able to fight back against Romney and Paul’s misleading attack ads. I just saw Newt on Sean Hannity’s show describing their plan going forward regarding Mitt Romney and it sounds like it will be effective.

      Center77 & Texastaxpayer:

      I wrote this in another topic but will repeat it here since maybe it wasn’t read over there:

      I think Rick Perry is a good man, but he should not be the Republican nominee in my opinion.

      One of the most important qualities a nominee and president must possess is to excel at communication. That is 50% of the job description. Persuading the public as well as your allies in the international arena requires someone of utmost intellect and oratory.

      While Rick Perry would make an excellent Secretary of Energy in my opinion he should not be president and only serves to divide the conservative vote so someone like Mitt Romney ( a moderate ) could end up winning no matter how much Romney lies in his attack ads.

      Bob Dole and John McCain, other moderates, that could not energize the conservative base did not help our party in the end. So Romney should not be the nominee.

      My vote is with Newt, very few people have his intellect and his gift of communication or have thought out positions and solutions to our problems as much as he has. In addition, with his encyclopedic memory he has a thorough understanding of history and can absorb the many ideas put forth from think tanks around the country to present the best ideas to the country.

      And finally, Rick Perry does not have a chance in a debate against Obama. That is where Newt would really demonstrate his talents.

      • Ann2012

        lizzie, Rick Perry talks about energy much of the time since he is from Texas, so I thought he would like that position. But they should figure out someway to solidify the vote or it might end up being President Romney or 4 more of President Obama.

        • Common_Cents

          Like hiring Al Chainsaw Dunlap to axe a few thousand of govt dead weight a week. Cutting a few trillion here and a trillion there, and soon it starts to add up.

      • kindredsoul

        Ann2012, with all due respect, I’m not concerned that Mr. Romney is a Mormon. I’m concerned that he’s not a conservative and won’t do what must be done with Obamacare (given his Romneycare record); won’t dismantle pointless federal agencies that do little more than distribute funding (Department of Education); and, when push comes to shove, won’t appoint true conservatives to the U.S. Supreme Court. I think building a coalition of conservative candidates as a slate of leaders — if that’s even possible (again, not everyone gets the pony they want for Christmas) — would present us with a choice rather than an edict that we have to settle for moderate mush. I like the thrust of your idea, however.

        • Ann2012

          kindredsoul:

          I understand what you’re saying, different things matter to different people depending on what’s important to them. Christianity is very important to me, more than even politics, so naturally I want the country to be led by someone who shares my concerns about the spiritual direction of the country as well as for example the fiscal direction of the country.

          I’ve read accounts of people who left Mormonism and the things they talked about (secret rituals of women being threatened with death if they disobeyed the rules etc.) that I don’t want someone who promotes those things through his missionary work to run the country. It goes back to not trusting his judgment.

      • texastaxpayer

        I respectfully disagree. The presidency is 100% decision making. Directing policy, building alliances and achieving goals. Communications are highly orchestrated whether its speaking to the press, the state of the union or policy speeches. You have noticed that teleprompter of obamas right? Secondarily the president isnt expected to give glib answers to ambush attack lines. Infact except during elections the presidentt doesn’t debate at all. As a governor Rick Perry has demonstrated great skill as a chief executive. Can Newt say that? Rick Perry had three instances in a dozen debates that were truly bad. He has 11 years of successful governing experience and his last four debates have been outstanding. So which counts for more? Perry is very effective on the stump, his ads are right on Target and he does very well in intimate settings. I for one will not disregard the most successful governor in contemporary America because he isn’t as practiced and “slick” delivering 30 second sound bites as Newt or Romney. I know you are trying to rap some logic around your position to avoid seeming shallow. But honestly no one comes even close to Perry’s economic record and lest you forget “It’s the economy stupid”.
        I would encourage you to take a few minutes and whatch the 2008 debates between Obama and Hillary. The guy is not impressive. Then take a moment and consider how Obama will attack Perry? Immigration? Not likely. Guardisol? Your joking right? The economy? Jobs? Flip flops? There are none. Scandals? Nope been throughly vetted over 20years there are none. Which leaves? He is Bush? Ok… Go for it. Make your case.
        Now contrast that with Newt. Scandals, flip flops, lobbying ect. Newt cant even handle Romney.
        Romney loses voters dont support squishes when given an alternative.
        Newt loses two much baggage
        Perry has a demonstrated record of success and is the least suseptable to character attacks. The only weapon left in Obama’s arsenol.

        • Ann2012

          Texastaxpayer, you wrote: “I know you are trying to rap some logic around your position to avoid seeming shallow.”

          Appear shallow? Imagine this, Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry in a one on one debate, just the two of them for an hour discussing all of America’s problems and solutions, with accompanying facts, historical references, and a thorough understanding of the issues they are discussing.

          Who do you think would appear shallow and unprepared? And why is that? Because someone who can apply Republican principles to a state that is already conservative with a conservative legislature is not that difficult to achieve. Even I could do it, so did Huntsman in Utah but I wouldn’t want him for president either.

          2012 and beyond is going to be quite dangerous for the country and the world, I want the most intelligent, most creative, most historically grounded individual. Don’t keep believing the Romney and Paul attack ads. They will be refuted going forward. Newt tried to treat other Republicans with respect and now he knows that with Romney and Paul they don’t deserve that courtesy.

          He has a good team in Florida with Marco Rubio’s campaign manager.

          From a Broward Country, Florida website:

          “What is the next best thing to having an endorsement in Florida from Marco Rubio? How about hiring Marco’s former campaign manager. According to the Miami Herald, “In a sign of the ties between Newt Gingrich and Florida, the Republican presidential frontrunner has hired Jose Mallea, campaign chief for U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio’s 2010 race, to be his Florida director. Hat tip to National Journal. Mallea’s hiring has an immediate benefit for Gingrich: The name “Rubio” winds up in the same headlines as “Gingrich.” May I suggest this move by Newt is brilliant. He knows that if he takes Florida that will propel his taking the Republican presidential nomination and may seal the race before super Tuesday in March 2012.”

          And read about his team in Florida, he will be very prepared in South Carolina and Florida.

          http://www.newt.org/news/newt-2012-announces-florida-county-leadership-team

          And regarding the attack ads against him here are my thoughts on those topics:

          In the 1990s Newt brought the “40 years in the wilderness” Republican party back into power and the Democrats did everything they could to get rid of him since he was so effective at his efforts. The Dems also went after him as pay back for bringing ethics charges against Democratic Speaker Jim Wright. Republicans are not very good at protecting their own, I’m sure you’ve heard the references to “circular firing squads” with reference to Republicans. Our party needs to be smarter in that respect.

          Since Newt’s been out of office the Republicans are back in exile again. At least the Tea Party won the house back.
          Regarding the ethics violations: All charges were dropped. The one charge not dropped was a charge claiming tax-exempt status for a college course run for political purposes. In addition, the House Ethics Committee concluded that inaccurate information supplied to investigators represented “intentional or … reckless” disregard of House rules.

          Special Counsel James M. Cole concluded that Gingrich violated federal tax law and had lied to the ethics panel in an effort to force the committee to dismiss the complaint against him. The full committee panel did not agree whether tax law had been violated and left that issue up to the IRS. In 1999, the IRS CLEARED THE ORGANIZATIONS connected with the “Renewing American Civilization” courses under investigation for possible tax violations.
          Regarding Freddie Mac: According to Bloomberg News, Newt got between $1.6 and $1.8 million in consulting fees from Freddie Mac over eight years ? about $17,000 per month ? a not unusual fee these days. He personally made only $35,000 a year from them. Since when is it wrong to be a consultant.

          Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were paying everybody they could find especially Democrats. Doubtless Freddie hired him to show that it was not an arm of the Democratic Party and to win some credibility on the right. His contract started after he left office and there is no evidence that he brought any concrete influence to bear on Freddie?s behalf.

          And what he’s said about Freddie Mac today is the following: He believes the financial crisis shows that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should be broken up and their smaller successors be moved off of government guarantees and into the free market.

          Newt is going to win South Carolina and Florida then it will get really interesting…

          • carolynr

            Here’s my deal on this…because I know it first hand…so I don’t listen to rhetoric…in fact…I don’t listen to many of the debaters because some of them of liars…WILLARD being caught several times…including not knowing his own name…talk about a gaffe…but I digress.

            I wrote and called Perry’s office before he threw his hat in the ring. I was defending his honor and I said…you have to get in here now…it’s getting too hot…it’s now or never. I am not the only person who said that to him and he got in. Now…why the poor debates in the beginning? Perry does use simple language..but then, if you have been to Texas…they all do. They, for the most part are not pretentious people. But…he had a problem. He had his spine fused and if you PERSONALLY know about that…it is extremely painful. Now Annie…you go put yourself on the stage with your back in excruciating pain. How well are you going to pay attention. Shoot…I blew a sale on a root canal debacle. Notice that he has gotten better…much better and that explains a lot. You also fail to realize that NOT ONE candidate had Mitt Romney put his hands on them while he lied about their record or insinuated that Perry was “insane”…playing to the Dubya perception that all Texans are DUMB.

            You bought the whole dog and pony show. You went with surface energy…you never looked at the record. So…we want a great debater…is that you stance. OK…Good…We have one in the WH and he lies. We have Newt and his baggage (some lies) and censures. What are we buying in a debate…what is it we want? Quite frankly…I want the truth…I don’t care about smooth…and Perry is up to par now. But your premise that your want a good debater doesn’t fly…not when we are hanging off the cliff.

            Look at the record, go to Texas, look at the resume. When I use to hire people…and I was in sales…it was not how good they spoke…but what their success rate was, what experience they had and what their resume told me AND HOW SINCERE THEY WERE. Perry doesn’t have a problem speaking NOW…he did then and for a reason…unless you consider him less human than the rest of the human race.

            I’ve been to Texas…I want proof. I am tired of buying lies. We’ve been buying that for years. When you go to buy a car…and gas is at $5.00 a gallon and you’re not rich…do you buy a Cadillac?

          • pttx333

            you hear me applauding? Perfectly stated …

          • Ann2012

            carolynr,

            I actually don’t like writing anything negative about Rick Perry, I feel like he’s a Christian brother. He’s a good man and if Newt was not the nominee then Rick Perry or Rick Santorum would be fine with me.

            However, and this is difficult to express in a way that others could understand. Newt is the only candidate in my lifetime that reminds me of what I would want to be like if I had the opportunity to govern.

            His creative intelligence and ideas and willingness to explore innovative solutions to problems is what this country needs. My hope is that I can volunteer for him in Florida and perhaps be a part of his administration even if only on a volunteer basis and contribute in some small way to our countries solutions. No other candidate inspires me to get involved as much as he does.

            Also, I’m a firm believer that those that do not know history are doomed to repeat it. There is no one that I can name that has such a comprehensive knowledge about history and political science as he does and added to that an obvious gift of communication.

            As much as I think Rick Perry is a good, decent man, I think the role as leader of the free world is outside of his intellectual capacity and frame of reference. It’s not that he is a plain spoken man from Texas, nothing wrong with that. As I said in my previous post, it would be abundantly clear who is better suited to be president if Newt and Rick Perry had an hour debate and discussed all our problems and potential solutions.

            Also and very importantly, Newt understands the intricate and convoluted workings of the House and Senate and could accomplish so much more in a short period of time compared to a newcomer to Washington. My hope is that most of our candidates could be an important part of a Newt Gingrich administration. Except Ron Paul, who genuinely scares me.

            Here is an article on the Rick Perry campaign that I just read that some might find interesting. It’s kind of inside baseball but describes some of the inner workings of a campaign.

            Subject: Rick Perry campaign plays blame game
            http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70976.html

          • carolynr

            “He?s a good man and if Newt was not the nominee then Rick Perry or Rick Santorum would be fine with me. ” Whether Newt is a true Conservative is a big question. Lots of ideas…that fall to the favor of both parties. While Santorum is a Social Conservative…please…don’t get him into the Fiscal Conservative category. What is our problem in Washington, D.C. Why…it is spending, spending, spending. What is Perry’s record…thrift…thrift…thrift. In fact, he grew up living the meaning of the word. From the way that the TX government is set up…they are not mega government people. Ann…do you know what mega government people do…they add departments, czars, committees and that equates to taxes to US. The mere suggestion that Congress would have to live under the laws it passes for the rest of us is what the tea party signs heralded.

            I will give you that Newt has creative intelligence. I would vote for him over Romney. There..you have that. The problem with Gingrich is that he DOESN’T use COMMON SENSE when he applies his intelligence. Going on national TV as an advocate for global warming/cooling/whatever was stupid with the science not settled…BUT going on with Pelosi was even more DUMB. Then during the 2010 races…he comes out in favor of THE MOST LIBERAL Republican…who defected…DeDe Scazofazio (sp). He dissed the Conservative!

            So…again…you go back to the record. What choices do people make, for what reason and what is the basis for their vision. When I see results…I believe them. I’ve been voting for a very long time now…most politicians are liars.

            Who adheres to the Constitution? Who believes in it. Look at Newt’s idea about immigration. He’s going to have communities decide who stays and goes. WOW…that would go over mega ..the Hatfields and the McCoys. See…he has a reason: solve the immigration problem. Basis for Vision; Let the people decide…but the results would be horrendous. Talk about civil war. See…it’s about common sense. People can have all the book smarts they wish for…but without wisdom; without thinking things through…the results don’t turn out so well. AND…this is the close….if they are so enamored by their own intellect that they lack the humility to listen to others…we have what we have now…Obama or Obama’s puppeteer.

            Then You Go On To Say: “As much as I think Rick Perry is a good, decent man, I think the role as leader of the free world is outside of his intellectual capacity and frame of reference. ”

            Really….So running the 13th largest economy in THE WORLD is not proof enough. How about helping to be responsible for 63+% of Obama’s job creation? No impressive enough. How about all those people moving into that state. He must have something they want.

            Rick Perry does not understand the intricate and convoluted (that’s a good word for that) workings of the House and Senate? Yes he does….they are crooks, he had the guts to say it and nobody else can. We need people of principle in that Congress and people with common sense. We don’t need a bunch of attorneys writing law that nobody understands until it is too late.

            Who took our SS from us? LBJ and who went along with it…Congress. Who sold it to the public as an “insurance policy” and then told the Supreme Court that it was a tax…FDR. Every bill they pass is a freedom taken from us.

            I agree with Dimwit Perry…get the government closer to the people wherein they have more control over their lives. That means…simply put…STATE’S RIGHTS. Shoot Ann…The Federal Government can’t even protect OUR OWN BORDERS…and that’s in the Constitution.

            end of rant

          • Ann2012

            Just because one did well as a state governor in a state that was already conservative with a conservative legislature does not mean that you are the superior choice to a former Speaker of the House. As Speaker he had to work with a Democrat president and drastically change how Washington DC operated during those years.

            Newt has a “national” record of accomplishment that is extremely impressive. And added to all the other attributes I mentioned in previous posts I think he’s well on his way to the nomination.

            With respect to immigration, I think he’s trying to walk a fine line to be able to get through the general election. You have to take that into consideration. Once in office, as long as the public continues to push the illegal immigration issue we could finally be on our way to solving that problem.

            With the new voter ID laws perhaps we can finally eliminate voter fraud. Voter fraud contributes to candidates not being able to say what they really want about a subject. As they risk not getting the votes of people who shouldn’t be voting in the first place.

            ————————————————————————————

            http://www.newt.org/newt-gingrich-record

            Newt Gingrich is the only candidate with a successful record of national leadership

            11 Million New Jobs. Balanced Federal Budgets. Controlled Spending. Pro-Growth Entitlement Reform. Debt Reduction. Poverty Reduction.

            *******

            THE STORY OF THE 1990s JOBS AND PROSPERITY BOOM IS THE STORY OF THE FIVE TRILLION DOLLAR TURNAROUND IN THE U.S. FISCAL OUTLOOK THANKS TO NEWT GINGRICH?S LEADERSHIP

            When Newt Gingrich was sworn in as the first Republican Speaker of the House in forty years in January 1995, the Congressional Budget Office projected that over the next decade the cumulative federal budget deficits would total $2.7 trillion. Shortly after Gingrich left office in January 1999, CBO projected that over the next decade that federal surpluses would total over $2.3 trillion? a four-year turnaround in the financial outlook of the United States of $5 trillion. A comparable improvement in the U.S fiscal outlook today would total over $8 trillion (as % of GDP).

            THE RESULTS OF NEWT GINGRICH?S FOUR YEARS OF NATIONAL LEADERSHIP:

            Eleven Million New Jobs Created By the American People. In four years, the national unemployment rate fell from 5.6% to 4.2%

            Federal Spending Held to the Slowest Growth Rate Since the Early 1950s (avg. of 2.9% a year).

            Four Straight Balanced Budgets for the First Time Since the 1920s.

            Dynamic Entrepreneurial and Investment Growth from the Biggest Capital Gains Tax Cut in History. Venture capital spending grew 500% in three years and manufacturing sector grew to 17.43 million jobs.

            Bipartisan Welfare Reform that Lifted Millions from Poverty. Within five years of the passage of bipartisan welfare reform, child poverty had dropped by nearly a quarter, child poverty in single-parent households reached an all-time low, and nearly two-thirds of those who left welfare were gainfully employed.

            Over $400 Billion of National Debt Paid Down During the Balanced Budget Years. During his four year Speakership, Gingrich led a reduction in the share of the public debt for every worker in the amount of $2,484. (Compared to an increase of $26,302 per worker under Obama.)

          • texastaxpayer

            Sure Newt can discuss conservative values, speak with authority regarding history and make a great compassionate plea for what he believes is the proper course. All admirable qualities.

            But let’s consider that hypothetical one on one of yours. As Newt talks about what can, could and should be done. Governor Perry will answer with what he HAS DONE. Newt is not an executive, period end of story. His claims to welfare reform, balanced budgets and successful governance are all based on the experience of a legislator. The leader of 1/2 of 1/3 of the federal government. He has absolutely no hands on experience running a government or managing an economy. I remember Newt the speaker and trust me those are not all happy memories. I don’t need Mittens and his cowards in his super pac to tell me what I already know.

            Finally answer this question, assuming the monster dose of baggage and scandals don’t sink Newt outright in the general. Even though it might in the primary making this a moot conversation. Do you really think Newt wins the debates with Obama? Answer carefully, Newt heads up one and one with Obama no problem. But it isn’t going to be heads up one on one is it? No its going to be Newt versus Obama, ABC,CBS, CNN, MSNBC, NEW YORK TIMES and the rest of the print media and their less than scrupulous fact checkers. Every GOP candidate is going to be labeled the looser of every debate they engage Obama in period. So there goes your Ace, the one reason you advocate Newt has been effectively nullified and they haven’t even taken the stage yet.
            It’s going to take a record of success without the scandals and flip flops allowing Obama to pivot to credible character attacks and away from his failed record. He need nitty gritty down in the trenches hands dirty experience with proven results to beat Obama and his minions in the media. Newt just doesn’t have the resume.

          • Ann2012

            texastaxpayer, it’s not just debating skills, please see my last post to carolynr to explain more of the reasons I want Newt to be the nominee.

            Regarding your point about the news media. They will try to demolish any conservative candidate, Newt is the only one that has a chance of standing up to them.

            Rick Perry will be parodied like Sarah Palin was for months to come. When they sense someone is not smart or knowledgeable enough the Left seizes on that until the candidate spends all of their time trying to prove they’re smart enough to be president.

            The Left has never attacked Newt’s intellect, they try other tactics which will fail in the end in my opinion.

          • texashistorian

            Surely you realize that Newt will be parodied just as badly, just as he was while Speaker. Remember the Gingrich who Stole Christmas? Okay, they won’t goof on him as a backward country rube, but there is a lot of fodder for a parody.

            Also keep in mind that the same narrative was tried on GW Bush- a backward country hick, remember? Reagan was also painted that way, as a ignorant B-film actor, an affable but doddering and pitiable fool. Both of them won two national elections in spite of that, and against their alleged intellectual superiors.

          • Ann2012

            texashistorian,

            Yes but Reagan was the “great communicator” much like Newt. The Left’s attacks of Newt reminds me of what they tried to do to Reagan.

            I think I’ll take a break from writing for a little while, I feel a little sad that our conservative family is so broken up. We all have such strong feelings about our candidates that it seems that Romney could win the nomination with 25% support and 75% of us splitting up the majority of the conservative vote.

            Wonderful quote you wrote about the study of history.

            Television should be very interesting tonight. I enjoyed writing to all of you, talk to you later…

    • septembergurl

      Usually the person proposing the merger or consolidation proposes someone for President who just happens to be their candidate, as Newt is yours.

      Everybody else gets to be the Secretary of Whatever..maybe.

      Right.

      • clowngirl

        that Newt and/or Perry are the only candidates who can plausibly beat Romney.

        This begs the question: what are 15-18% of Iowans thinking?

        Perhaps Rick Santorum has spent so much time in Iowa that the locals have started to feel like he’s family and have lost all objectivity. Or (probably) the massive number of ads against Gingrich (especially) and Perry have skewed Iowans views and caused a lot of Iowans to lose sight of their strengths.

        I don’t think that it’s coincidence that Rick Santorum has taken no fire ( and not for lack of ammunition) until the very last minute.

        I would hope enough Iowans could be persuaded to see the big picture and vote for a non-Romney that can actually beat Romney.

  • septembergurl

    taking out Gingrich and Perry, no more no less. He could care less about Santorum, Bachmann, Paul.

    Looks like he will get Gingrich, I suspect Perry could survive.

    • greyeagle

      Perry is the one Romney and Obama want to knock out. He has an extensive record that Romney and Obama doesn’t have. The same for Backmann, Newt, and Santorum. In fact I am puzzled about the Evangelicals going for Santorum. He has no money or organization and no executive experience or leading anything. We already have one of those in the WH.

      • flgal208

        they need him to knock out Perry to help Willard—let’s see if FNC has the clout to get RS supporters to show up and vote for him…

        • circlegranch

          Romney has feared the threat of Rick Perry for a long, long time. He donated to Perry’s last re-elect campaign to make sure he stayed in Texas. Bachmann and Cain are and were the snake bite kits to protect Romney from Perry. Given Santorum’s actual voting record, he’s alot more aligned with Romney than Perry. I bet former Senator Santorum would jump at the chance to be Romney’s VP so that he could finally find a job again.

          Fox News is yesterday’s news when it comes to factual, fair conservative punditry and reporting. They pick their own winners and losers just like all the rest.

    • Common_Cents

      Actually, Romney would benefit if Newt and Perry stay in. If one gets knocked out, the other would probably consolidate the non Romney support in a hurry.

      Romney can only hope they both get knocked out. But Perry has some staying power as well as Gingrich as Newt raised $9million in last quarter.

      • flgal208

        has all but dried up, that 9 million was from last quarter…it will be hard for Newt to even last until Fl. His hope was for NIkki to endorse him and she didn’t and I doubt Jim deMint will because he was ticked when Newt blasted Paul Ryan, so SC will evaporate and so will any $$$

        • Common_Cents

          “last” quarter ended 4 days ago.

          Do you have proof that his campaign has no money? You should then post it or refrain from posting nonsense.

      • clowngirl

        Both Perry and Gingrich staying in isn’t a problem. In a 4 way race, 25% isn’t a plurality.

        Perry, Gingrich, Santorum and even Bachmann all staying in is probably a big problem.

        People saying Newt should drop out or that he’s done if he doesn’t place in the top three in Iowa are obviously just pulling for other candidates.

        Newt – as you pointed out – just raised at least $9 million and still leads in national polls. ( or is tied for first) and he’s also starting to get some big endorsements – his coalition is just beginning to come together.

        The idea that Santorum – do to a perfect storm of events that worked out to his advantage – finishing third after failing to make much of a positive impression nationally in 6 months and dozens of debates – should suddenly be the only more or less conservative candidate in the race is ridiculous.

        It is equally absurd to say Rick Perry should drop out.

        You can get into a genuine debate about whether Gingrich or Perry is more qualified ( I say Newt but can appreciate the points in Perry’s favor) the rest of the field can’t compare.

        The ideal situation would be for Newt AND Perry to stay in the race and to wage a spirited contest against each other but absolutely go for the jugular and aim all their heavy fire against Romney.

        That is what 75% of the party wants to see. It’s really quite frustrating the way almost all the candidates combined their fire at Newt rather than Romney.

        It makes sense in that they see Newt as the direct competition and find it easier to pile on than to take on the most well funded and establishment backed candidate who’s ever so ready to hit back — but it’s also rather tone deaf to ignore the fact they’ve effectively helped the guy 3/4 of the party consistently doesn’t want.

        Ditto to Michele Bachmann saying she’s definitely staying in the race. The only people who want to hear that are Romney supporters.

        I kinda wonder too, what it would take for Ron Paul ( whose continued presence is inevitable) to really attack Romney.

        • Common_Cents

          It’ll be fascinating to see what happens as I think Gingrich and Perry have the best chance to last awhile. However, I have thought both of them staying in could help Romney since they’d be splitting anti Romney vote. Perhaps if they focused on Romney they may be able to knock him down, then battle it out head to head. I’d have to think about that more.

          I think the Palin factor could weigh in heavily if either Newt or Rick do significantly better than the other in IA, Palin would probably endorse the winner of the two. I think she is waiting for some separation confirmation, (as well as trying to keep a bit of cliffhanger interest for FOX).

  • trickamsterdam

    I don’t wanna hear that you’re not going to support Romney in the general, because you don’t trust him on the life issue.

    First, it’s kabuki theater. We all know you’ll vote for him in the end, you’ll just give some lame excuse like “I’m really voting for his Vice President, not him”. Really it’s just that you wanna be begged and pretend you’re O so much more moral and perfect than the rest of us compromised scum..

    I don’t agree that Newt or Perry can win it anymore. They’ve made too many mistakes of which the VA primary was the worst (it’s not just the lost delegates…it’s terrible publicity that makes their campaigns look like amateur hour).

    Still they have very impressive resumes, and could at least in theory have a small chance to take Romney. I personally think it’s like the South after Gettysburg…i.e., they could drag it on, but they couldn’t win it. That’s what I think a Newt or Perry campaign would look like at best…really I think it would be over quite quick. Still, they would at least have a small chance.

    Santorum has nothing. He is just as unelectable as Paul, and that’s not even hyperbole. Seriously, some of his positions are completely out of the mainstream.. It’s just that no ones paid attention to them or to him.. But the MSM will now. They will roast him like a fresh-plucked duck. I’m from PA and believe this: that 18% defeat was real. We hate the guy’s guts. And it’s not because the state is changing from purple to blue: other wise why Sen Toomey and the Governor only four years later.

    When SoCons have Perry to rally around, or if you can accept his redemption, Newt…to throw away your vote on a Santorum or Bachmann is borderline irresponsible. Fine, it’s your choice…but that’s why I don’t wanna hear the whining in a few weeks.

    Because this is what’s going to happen:

    1. The divided conservative vote allows Romney to finish strongly or win Iowa outright.

    2. He takes that momentum into NH and dominates.

    3.He concentrates on FL, not even paying attention to SC. He does surprisingly well there, although he doesn’t win.

    4. A recent poll in FL already has him ahead of Newt. TV advertising is very iimportant in that large state w/ many transplants. And remember he nearly won it last time. He wins it comfortably.

    5.By now everyone knows he’s going to be the nominee. So the fundraising for the others dries up. Then their defeat becomes a self-fulfiling prophecy.

    6. The conservative wing of the MSM also stops paying attention to Paul at this point. He’s served his purpose by helping to destroy Newt. He continues to run and do fairly well, but he is completely ignored.

    6.Romney wins Michigan and NV. Game Over.

    7. Santorum and Bachmann fans tell everyone who will listen that they can’t support Romney in the general…maybe Newt or Perry would have been OK, but Romney isn’t. If any of them say it to me in person, I will openly laugh in their faces. If it’s on the internet, I will just ignore them., as will most people.

    On FreeRepublic however they’re considered political geniuses and martyrs to the conservative cause. Everywhere else they’re considered dopes who don’t know whether to wind their buttocks or scratch their watch.

    • flgal208

      because while FNC wants Romney, 75% of Republicans, dont. Second, Bachmann will endorse Willard because she wants his scraps for her political career. Third, RS endorsement (or non) won’t matter to anyone (like Pawlenty’s). Fourth, Romney will take IA & NH, but Huntsman will make him spend more time & money than he wants and ding him, but good. Jon is on a mission there to take Willard down and send him limping into SC/FL. Fifth, Perry can take SC especially if Jim DeMint endorses him. Sixth, agree Newt is useless in FL, that is true, but don’t count out Perry because of Gov Scott, West & Rubio AND Fl is now second after TX is creating new jobs under its new very conservative GOV who is friends with Perry…remember Rick Scott was 1 of only 2 GOV’s who sent prayers….I don’t know NV, but TX will go Perry, so those 2 should be battling it out until super Tuesday….

      • lizzie

        of his tiff with Tom Coburn, whose brilliant “Back in Black” cost cutting plan was quietly embraced by Rick Perry.

        Perry’s part-time congress pitch means no one in Congress will now endorse Perry. They will stay neutral just like Iowa’s Rep. Steve King.

        Sen Rubio will also stay neutral.

        Even the governors still uncommitted will stay neutral until after Florida.

        It is like watching the non-lethal version of the 17th century Thirty Years War where one third of the population in what is now Germany died because of a liturgical dispute within the still-evolving Protestant schism.
        I am not making fun of religion, but was reading the history, and always amazed when I read the history of highly destructive wars fought over religious schisms. I prefer the good old-fashioned wars over tyranny or land or money.

        • JSobieski

          I am a big fan of both, and the seem to co-sponsor a lot of legislation. I would be curious to learn more about what they disagree on.

      • circlegranch

        because the Do Nothing Congress is a target of Obama. He’s already declared he will bypass Congress from here on. It’s a dictatorial stance but he’s being supported for the idea. Congress has never had such a low popularity rating and, since Republicans took the House, their approval rating has plummeted further.

        Obana will throw down fire and brimstone against Congress as he campaigns and he’ll get wild applause for it –from all sides. If Romney wants to campaign and be photographed with a host of Congressmen and Senators standing behind him, good luck with that plan. I have met Jim DeMint on some occasions and have enormous respect and admiration for him but he is a friend of Romney’s and quite frankly, if he was going to endorse Perry he would have likely done it by now. Rick Perry isn’t going to the White House to make friends. He’s going to do the hard work of the people.

        Perry went bold and rogue with his part time Congress plan. Realistically, it would take alot to accomplish it but its the fact that he’s throwing down the gauntlet and saying, “Enough.” You guys have gotten us in all these messes and nobody heretofore has had the guts to stand up and do something about it. George Bush locked his veto pen in his desk and the cronies in the GOP in Washington seem to think they have carte blanche with our money and with China’s money, for that matter.

        Rick Perry
        President 2012
        We have a country to save

      • trickamsterdam

        Or it might (will, IMO) create a chain reaction where he does become unbeatable.

        In the two most recent polls Santorum and Bachmann are totally a full quarter of the Iowa vote (between 24% – 26%). So I’m telling them if they don’t make a more mature choice they’re going to get Romney, because Perry and Newt are going to be so weakened that they can’t win the nomination.

        A lot of it has to do w/ fundraising. If everyone feels that Romney will win at the end, then the fundraising for the others dries up. Then the defeat of his opponents becomes a self-fulfiling prophecy.

        I know FL pretty well, have family there…it’s the kind of state where when Romney carpet bombs it w/ negative ads (and if it’s Santorum,, Lord, he’s going to have plenty of ammunition) it will have an effect.

        I think Romney will probably lose SC too, but I just don’t think it’ll be enough if Romney also has Iowa. Because he would have won three out of four in my scenario.

        So what I’m saying is if you’re a Santorum or Bachmann person who has a vote in Iowa, switch it to Perry or Newt: BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE. Because if he wins Iowa, or finishes second to Paul, I don’t think he can be stopped.

        My other message to Santorum and Bachmann people was that if you give us Romney please have the manners to not throw tantrums over him for the next six months…

        Because YOU Santorum/Bachmann voters in Iowa will be one of the great reasons that Romney is OUR nominee.

    • jjnco73

      8. The birth of a viable third party becomes a reality which will garner +25% in a three way race next fall. Really sucks to be a RINO.

      Anybody but Romney

      or

      Anybody for Romney is Obama

  • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-perry-iowa-marathon-20120102,0,6898627.story?track=rss

  • SoFiMil

    Go to the caucus. Go with your friends and neighbors. The margins between the candidates will be small. Help start Perry on the road to victory.

    Thank you Iowans!

  • http://californiateapartypolitics.blogspot.com/ smokedaddy

    I’m a Perry supporter and would love to see him finish as the top conservative with 20% or so of the vote tomorrow. But the next best thing would be for the other Rick to finish a strong third or even win. I’d suggest listening to some actual information about what Santorum has going on in both New Hampshire and South Carolinahttp://granitegrok.com/blog/2012/01/groktalk-special-interview-stacy-the-other-mccain-reporting-from-iowa
    . His highly regarded Tea Party National Campaign manager Mike Biundo directed one of the 2 successful congressional campaigns in NH and appears to have a great deal of cred with that state’s Tea Party. Gingrich also has game in NH and will be attacking Mitt there . Santorum will likely finish 4th in NH ahead of Perry. Perry will be working SC, but with likely 4th & 5th place finishes coming in, that will be a tough buzzkill to overcome. Like Bachman & Cain before him, Santorum will start to generate millions in contributions between tomorrow and the SC primary. His message will work there too. How much $ does Perry have in the bank now after this Iowa barrage?

    • acat

      That’s quite a contradiction.

      Why don’t you take some time, put down the pipe, and figure out which Rick you really want to win?

      Mew

      • http://californiateapartypolitics.blogspot.com/ smokedaddy

        Truthfully, if I were an Iowa Republican, I’d be hard presseright now as to whether I’d write down Perry or Santorum. Ideally, Perry would be the one on the verge of a big finish, but in fact its Santorum in that position. Unless the pollsters are really pulling a fast one, which I don’t commpletely discount. I will say that for Perry supporters on this site to pull the same lame ass crap with Santorum that Fox & NR have with Perry is pretty lame.

        • acat

          Nothing further.

    • circlegranch

      you are not a true Perry supporter. If you’ve been keeping up here, Perry supporters weather whatever storm blows in. Some other candidates get alot of buzz about having such dedicated supporters and in keeping with the deliberate media blackout we’ve experienced on Gov. Rick, that’s not surprising. However, Perry people don’t peel away and flip from from candidate to candidate. When Perry caucus-ers pull out their pen to write a name on that sticky note, they aren’t going to write “Rick” and then can’t decide how to finish.

      Again, if you’ve been keeping up, you wouldn’t have to ask the questions as to which Rick has the better record. In Mr. Santorum’s last run, in his own state, he got whipped by 18 points. He’s enjoying the luxury of non-transparency of his record. We’ve been clear at RS about his past voting record. I commented here yesterday that his major tea party clout at this point is that he voted to fund a tea pot museum. If the tea party revolution had occurred during Santorum’s time in the Senate, he would have been their target, not their darling. I often throw things out here (such as the tea pot museum) without giving a link because I happen to believe that the duty to research, get informed and learn how and where to look for the truth falls on each of us. You shouldn’t rely on what I dig up but rather, do it yourself. If you don’t rely on your own instincts and do your own legwork, you’ve got nothing invested and it doesn’t matter. I’ll tell you firsthand that when you invest 6-7 hours a day online reading and studying up on a particular candidate you don’t sit back on the day of the first caucus and still say you haven’t made up your mind. The summer soldiers and fly-by-nighter’s have as much Constitutionally protected right to squirm back and forth between candidates but hear us well, Rick Perry supporters have both feet planted. We”re in it as long as he is or until he’s in the White House, whichever comes first.

      As for your suggestion that Perry spent all his money in Iowa, you are wrong. He has made a large investment there, but with a finish of 3 or 4 and a headwind into SC, those funds will quickly be replenished. He has a very lucrative PAC, www.makeamericagreatagain.com that is foursquare behind him. A large number of his graduating class at Texass A&M are in IA right now working hard on his behalf. A significant number of current and former Aggies have formed another PAC. Once conservative voters see his momentum, all the trickle dollars that have gone other places will come to Perry.

      Hope you get your mind right on which Rick but in the meantime, don’t doubt Perry’s support and commitment of those supporters.

  • paco12348

    I vote for Newt. He’s the only one speaking to the need to clean out the judicial system. If that is not cleaned out it won’t matter which candidate wins. The Left get everything they want through the activist judges.
    Perry is my second pick. He will shake things up and I would hope he picked up on things Newt is espousing.
    Bachmann needs to bow out gracefully. She could tape what she says and play it in every state. It’s the same ol’, same ol, and if I hear the word, authentic, from her again I’ll regurgitate. I think she lied about the congressman that left her campaign and went to Paul’s. She’s gaffe prone, doesn’t check her facts and loves to brag on herself. Others tell what they’ve achieved but her talk sounds like bragging and patting herself on the back. I’m sick of hearing her.
    I’ll take anyone but Bachmann and Paul. Would love Paul except of his N. Defense stand.

  • snappy101

    I have always believed that it was in Romney’s best interest not to take out any of the conservative candidates because their voters would make another non-Romney candidate stronger but what’s their excuse for not ganging up and taking him on? Isn’t that how Huckabee/McCain defeated him in 2008? They ganged up on him.

    If Rick Perry doesn’t win Iowa, I would like to see Ron Paul win Iowa. I think it will ensure 3 different first place finishers in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, making those of us in later voting states more relevant, making Romney weaker and making the Republican TV news media wet their pants. I think this primary season has made me see the NY/DC TV news bubble boys are part of the Republican Machine, too.

    How about RS leading the charge to rotate the state primary voting order for Presidential elections when this is all over. I’m sick of the same 3 states winnowing our candidate choices.

  • circlegranch

    “The Five” cast member, Ms Tarantino, just made a very pathetic argument for Romney on Fox News. She says Obama is already painting Romney as a Wall Street tycoon and big money guy but that the Democrats already did that in ’94 when Romney challenged Ted Kennedy for the Senate. She said this tactic just won’t work.

    Is she deliberating leaving out the tiny little reality that Romney LOST in ’94 in part due to the campaign attacks about Bain Capital? Does she think her viewers are unable to look back and see that the approach Obama will take this year worked quite wonderfully for his party in ’94? There is a whole lot more angst toward the so-called 1% this year than there was in ’94! If she really thinks pointing to Bain Capital isn’t going to be an effective leg on the campaign against Romney stool, one wonders how she keeps a job espousing ‘educated opinion’.

    What’s up, Fox? Being so condescending to your viewers because you think they are stupid and illiterate and can’t tie their shoes unless they watch a cable news training video works at some other networks, but there was a time when you all knew better. I bet Fox viewers’ heads exploded all over the country when she trotted that one out.

    Rick Perry
    President 2012
    We have a country to save

  • ihateliberals

    1 conservative = Michele Bachman, 1 Idiot = Ron Paul, 1 Liberal = Mitt Romney, and 3 RINO’s = Gingrich, Santorum, Perry. It seems that the GOP hs successfully locked the conservatives out of the race. I have not seen the GOP work so hard to lose an election since 2008 when they nominated McCain and then prior to that was when they nominated Bob dole in 1996. Why do they work so hard to lose. Any reasonable person can see that Mitt is not going to beat Obama because he will lose the Independents before he even starts. Plus with the GOP not doing a good job picking a nominee Donald Trump stands a chance or repeating 1996′s Perot situation. . We might as well just let Obama have his inaugural Ball this 4 of July while it s warm outside.

    I have been a registered Republican since i was able to vote fo the first time in 1968. I have been a conservative all of my life and I have become totally disgusted withthe GOP and after the 2012 election I hope to see a new conservative party evolve and i believe it will. we are tired of being pushed around by the GOP and it has to stop.

    • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

      Perot ran in ’92; i was a local coordinator for three municipalities in MontCo, PA.

      Perry is not a RINO; he brought-the-house-down this-a.m. @ the volunteer-orientation session.

      Third-Party re-elects BHO.

      • ihateliberals

        nt

      • ihateliberals

        RINO’s cannot be trusted to stay on the right side of the isle. Perry and his Texas Dream act proves he is a RINO. No self respecting Conservative would come up with that idea. I stand by my statement that Michele Bachman is the only true conservative still running. I don’t want a third party before the 2012 election but if the GOP continues it’s left-ward track then I would like to see a Conservative party that would crush the GOP and make it equal to or less than the Green party. WE need a Conservative and not just a Social conservative to take control of this country. BHO needs to go ASAP as well as most of the Senate Republicans and especially the Speaker of the House. Hopefully he won’t even make the primary in the 8th district in Ohio.

        • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

          Just because this conservative-D converted to R almost a quarter-century ago, this does NOT mean he’s a RINO; I “converted” shortly after the Perot campaign [and became a committee-man]…and I’m as distant from being a RINO as would be RR.

          BTW, we must resist a 3rd Party for 2 reasons. First, it would re-elect BHO, and he could pack the SCOTUS for decades. Second, if you personally advocate for a non-Republican, your longevity on RS may become foreshortened.

          • ihateliberals

            before tht time it woul dbe suicide.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            At least not here.

            Consider this the one warning before I deactivate your account.

            Don’t try to argue with me, either. Take it to the contact form.

          • ihateliberals

            I have not posted anything that is against the rules. All I said was a third party at this time would be suicide for the GOP.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            This isn’t a debate, so playing dumb doesn’t work.

            Your comments above are in black and white. Repeat them and your account will stop working.

            Have a nice day.

          • ihateliberals

            As far as I am concerned Ronald Reagan is the greatest President this country has every had and if we would have learned from him and keep the RINO’s and Liberals out of the party we wouldn’t have these troubles today. The worse mistake the Reagan made was keeping Bush during his second term. Bush was a big RINO and started the downfall of the party. Then GW Bush came alone and screwed us some more. RINO’s are bad enough but Liberal Republicans are even worse. Mitch McConnell, Boehner and John McCain for example should be ashamed to call themselves Republicans. They aren’t even RINO’s they are just traitors to the party all around.

        • gekster

          As he turned to the Re[ublican party and away from the Democrat party.

          • ihateliberals

            Liberals taking over the party. It is insulting to compare Perry to Reagan. Perry = Night and Reagan = Day.

        • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

          This crap was beaten to death months ago here. It was wrong then and it’s wrong now. You, OTOH, are still a flaming idiot.

          Please call your doctor, you need your meds adjusted.

        • izoneguy

          is the hispanic population of America.

          Either educate them or

          http://vimeo.com/32943616

          The federal government already MANDATES that
          all children – illegal or not are to be afforded
          an education in K-12 grades……

          You can complain about the Texas dream act all you want,
          until Federal laws are changed then it is all a moot point.

        • acat

          First, learn to use paragraphs. They’re a convenient way to separate your thoughts into more manageable pieces, instead of the blob of .. something.. you coughed up.

          Second, the Texas Dream Act is very different from the federal version, despite the same name. Under the Texas version, the student had to get into a Texas school on his or her own merit, have paid taxes in Texas for 3 years, and start the process to become a citizen. If one looks at the recent lawsuits by illegals seeking in-state rates in other States, it’s quite easy to see that it costs less to offer this than it does to pay lawyers to defend in court.

          Michele Bachman is not a solid conservative, she’s proven herself a politician, not a leader. Show me her actual plan to maintain benefits for seniors without raising taxes on the rest of us. It simply can’t be done… but like some of what Ron Paul says … it sounds good until you think about it. Start thinking.

          The GOP is hardly moving to the left, the Reps and Senators we elected in 2010 are much more right-leaning than in previous years. We need to keep the pressure on, and keep primarying those whose sell-by date is passed. This includes Boehner.

          I’m not sure you’re calling Perry a golf tee – someone who is “just” a social conservative – but .. that’s just nuts. Texas has 40% of the job growth *nationwide*, Texas has one of the best business environments *nationwide*, that’s hardly “only social conservatism”. Further, Perry wore the uniform. It’s funny, how almost none of the other candidates were in the armed services, when we’ve still got troops involved in several (2? 3?) “kinetic actions” going on.

          Your rumblings about a third party are, pure and simple, the rantings of someone who doesn’t have a clue. Every time conservatives have gone with a separate candidate, the liberals have won. Canada had a decade of liberal rule because their conservative party split. Ross Perot cost Bush 1.0 re-election. (yeah, Bush 1.0 wasn’t great, but he was better than Clinton!)

          See how those paragraph things work? Now, you try.

          Mew

          • ihateliberals

            There is a process to become a citizen that every other country in the world has to follwo to be a US citizen except for Mexico or south.

          • Bill S

            Acat has it exactly right. No one got “amnesty” under the Perry admin. The children of illegals got free tuition. They themselves were not (necessarily) illegal. And no one got citizenship.

            Try rational thought rather than parroting some Alex Jones-esque lines.

          • texashistorian

            nt

          • Bill S

            My mistake – I knew that…

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            who got in-state tuition. Graduate from a TX HS, three years proven residency. And, the student had to apply for US citizenship.

            Plus, the State of TX didn’t offer grants or aid to the student, tuition has to be paid in cash. If you’re not a US citizen with a SSN you are not eligible for Title IV student aid either. If the student is a US citizen but the parents are not and do not have valid SSNs, again no Title IV aid if the student is classified as a “dependent” by US Dept of Ed.

          • acat

            You *are* aware that Boston has a large number of illegal Irish immigrants, right?

            You know that every single Chinatown has illegals from Asia, yes?

            You know there are illegals from many European countries, mostly folks who overstayed their student visas but still illegally here, right?

            You further know that President Obama has an illegal aunt and uncle here, yes?

            Immigration policy is the same – broken – for everyone.

            Mew

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            This guy’s only bias is stupidity.

          • acat

            Need to visit the grocery store.

            Agree re. stupid. Belief there’s a special form of broken for hispanic immigrants is just another example.

            Mew

        • norskie

          I am no fan of Rick Perry. As a Texan in 2006, I gladly voted against him in the governor’s race. But to claim he is some liberal squish RINO is crazy. He is conservative.

          Part of our problem here is that everyone tries to impose their own narrow set of beliefs as the one and only test of conservatism,, and everyone who deviates in the slightest degree is branded a heretic. This pattern is borrowed from the liberals, who do this all the time as they stampede toward the most avant garde positions. It is a pattern conservatives should reject wholeheartedly.

          Conservatism is a mindset — not a strict set of of policy prescriptions, and as such it allows for radical things like discussion and disagreement as to how we should address the issues of the day.

          • texashistorian

            But it isn’t yet, not when there are enough conservatives in the GOP to alter the course and character of the party. It is important to distinguish between Republicans who stand for some things you disagree with, and RINOs. Would you honestly compare Rick Perry to Susan Collins (R-ME)? Or Arlen Specter? Or Olympia Snowe? RINO is a term that has lost all objective meaning and is now tossed by the unthinking at any candidate who they don’t support. Romney is not a RINO. He is a moderate, northeastern Republican of the type that has been present in the party since the latter days of the New Deal.

            And I wholeheartedly concur with Norskie- conservatism is a state of mind, and allows within it varying opinions and degrees of difference. The RINO brush ought to be banned from use until it gets returned to original meaning.

          • acat

            All we’d end up with is splitting branches of conservatism against one another, and letting the Libs win.

            There’s no time in history when a third party has led to anything good for the party that spawned it.

            Mew

        • JSobieski

          First of all, democrats are very much a viable party in Texas—its just that local D’s are different than national D’s.

          Second, to focus myopically on any one issue is by definition irrational and unhealthy. Your hero Bachmann was quite silent about the Minnesota version of the Dream Act, and Minnesota has none of the excuses that Texas has. Throw in that Perry actually sounds credible on border enforcement . .. .

          Third Bachmann can SOUND conservative because she never proposes anything (where is her fiscal plan) and is actually quite cowardly when it comes to real cuts (google Bachmann asterisk Ryan medicare). Bachmann is accountable or responsible for anything—-all of her “accomplishments” are publicity oriented, not policy oriented.

          What we need it people to make reasoned decisions give the facts as they are, and not hyperbole and rants.

          P.S. The GOP is not on a left-ward track. Romney was the “conservative” candidate (of the 3 finalists) in 2008.

          P.P.S. You absolutely reinforce my observations about Bachmann supporters.

        • MOlsen6

          Your post is a temper-tantrum that holds Michelle Bachmann to be the only “true” conservative in the race. Have you lost your mind, or just completely forgotten your history? Have you ever lived in Texas? *sigh* I don’t even know where to start with somebody this hyped up over ideology. First, the Republic of Texas was always a joint effort between Anglo settlers and disaffected Mexican/Spanish ranchers. James Burnet was the first (interim) President, and Lorenzo de Zavala was the interim vice-President. The Texas mentality has always to been to work together, and then go home to your own group after work. You see this mentality in Perry, George W. Bush, John Cornyn, and basically every statewide office holder. Oh, and every single statewide office holder in Texas is a Republican. By your logic, nearly all Texans are RINOs. Hardly.

          Secondly, the Democratic Party left the Southern Democrats, not the other way round. Perry simply made the same decision that MOST democrats of his age made at some point. How you turn this into being a RINO I have no idea. Of course, I assume you consider GWB a RINO as well. And no, I don’t support Perry. I’d vote for him against Obama, but I’d rather see Huntsman or Romney before Perry.

          I simply view this post as “If my candidate doesn’t win, y’all are idiots and I won’t vote for any of those RINO’s”. Good luck with the attitude.

  • spolson

    All this talk about the Republican Base and the Republican establishment is horse pie. We don’t need another Republican to hold the move left where it is or even let our country drift left some more. We need a radical Conservative with balls that make his legs bow. This country has to be turned around. Like it is it won’t survive. We need someone who will lead us to repealing obama’s disaster and keep going. Eliminate the Dept of energy, education, commerce, close the EPA and others. The word moderate used with republican means no changes, progress, or correction. How do you think we got here. Cooperation, compromise and middle of the road. Problem is it was middle of the road left. Romney is a mistake.

  • celador2

    Gov Rick Perry has the most trustworthy credentials of all running. He is a governor of a big state and served in AF. He walks among us as one who hails from modest means and had to work because he needed the money.

    Perry inherited an economy from Bush and presided over the creation of a million new jobs! After that everything is icing on the cake—- his promises are to start foreign aid at zero, exit UN make a balanced budget in a decade and respect states authority.

    In terms of energy independence I think Perry would relish free market innovations and safety in oil drilling, natural gas, shale and allowing states to operate in the enegy business also.

    He wants to downsize not grow the power out of DC! Obamacare and higher taxes are in the past with a president Perry.

    Perry needs to connect personally as he has always done and not have to rely too heavily on these roller coaster media staged ‘debates’. Media should not make news but cover it only. Afterall, they all have a dog in the fight.

    Finally, as a man of faith I trust Gov Perry has his community in order and is aware he needs humilty and faith to serve.

    • unitedwestood

      That should be an ad for Perry – I too inheritated an economy from G.W Bush, this is what I did with it. What did Obama do with his? Oh..that is so GOOD!

  • jgge

    start using their heads instead of their stupid emotions and their obsession with the stupid debates that have nothing to do with someone being a good President or not.

  • celador2

    As the delegate selection process moves along and we voters pick a candidate we know the delegates will be mostly proportional this time not ‘winner take all’ the delegates like an election. That means choices two and three come into play in the summer nominating convention.

    I would not be surprised if its very close and that Perry wins as the best qualfied overall. After round one delegates may switch and sollidify support around stronger contenders.

    Organizing, personal and historical qualiifications will dominate.

    These presidential selection skills/interactions by contenders and state delegates include speech making and all that but do not take place in front of cams with Wolf Blitizer , Megan Kelly and a stop watch.

  • celador2

    The Drudge report has an online ongoing caucus poll that invites visitors to vote. Turnout is 100,000 so far.

    If you have time it may help your candidate of choice to vote at the Drudge Iowa caucus today Jan 3, 2012.

    • Repair_Man_Jack

      http://www.businessinsider.com/more-people-have-voted-in-this-drudge-poll-than-will-vote-in-the-iowa-causeses-tonight-2012-1

      Of course he wins every online poll.

      “126,000 people have voted in Matt Drudge’s Iowa Caucus poll, which is more than the 119.8K who voted in the 2008 Republican Iowa Caucus.”

    • pttx333

      I went there and voted, then to check it, voted again – was able to vote TWICE! There is no way that this particular poll means a hill of beans and have no clue as to how many times I might have been able to vote. I felt guilty by even voting twice, but was the only way to check out its reliability.

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