What The Republican “Establishment” Really Means


Show Me The (Taxpayer) Money

There’s been a lot of talk, maybe too much talk, about the struggle between the GOP “Establishment” and “Outsiders,” sometimes – but sometimes not – meaning the Tea Party, however defined. There are many fault lines, wheels within wheels, that divide different groups on the Right, but it’s time to clarify the core issue that has people of perfectly conservative temperament and ideology scratching their heads at their own constituents. After all, we’re conservatives: establishments are a good idea, a necessary intersection of tradition and meritocracy, giving undue weight to neither and co-opting dangerous ideas about revolution and radical change. What’s so bad about that?

The answer is a simple one: it’s almost entirely about spending. The current trajectory of American government spending is one in which spending by government in general, and by the federal government in particular, just keeps on growing as a share of the economy, further and further crowding out the space occupied by free private citizens and businesses in the private sector. Worse, much of this happens automatically, without the consent of the governed in any but the most perfunctory way: discretionary spending is designed to grow because budgets are set by using the prior year’s spending as a baseline, and entitlement and public employee benefit spending – which consume a far larger share of spending – grows by itself in the absence of any affirmative legislation to stop it. The federal government has not passed a budget in nearly 1,000 days (President Obama’s State of the Union speech will mark the 1000th), yet spending has continued to grow, and will continue to grow as far as the eye can see – a dramatic change in our country taking place on auto-pilot – unless dramatic action is taken in response to stop it. Jack’s magic beans have nothing on public spending.

And the growth of spending bleeds over into every other issue. Federal spending comes with strings attached, and those strings reduce the independence of the states and burrow the arms of the federal octopus ever further into the area of social policy. Institutions like churches, schools, and hospitals become hooked on federal money, and have to dance the federal tune. Spending gets earmarked and targeted to favored people, businesses and groups, making society less equal and government less ethical. Spending distorts energy markets, housing markets, and markets for higher education, creating bubbles and inefficiency. And that’s before we even get to the metastatic growth of federal regulation. And eventually, runaway domestic spending saps our ability to adequately fund our national defense.

There is general philosophical agreement among both Republicans and conservatives about all of this. Where the fault line lies is in exactly how far we are willing to go to do something about it. Many people who got into politics as good conservatives, and still think themselves good conservatives constrained by the limits of practical possibility, are at a loss when it comes to meaningful ways to tame Leviathan. For reasons, some good (the need to use political power to protect national security, preserve control of the courts and restrain regulatory overreach), some less so, they have thrown in the towel on the central issue of the day. That is who we speak of as the “Establishment.” Others – not always with a sense of proportion or possibility, but driven by the urgency of the cause – seek dramatic confrontations to prevent the menace of excessive spending from passing the tipping point where we can no longer save room for the private sector. They are the Outsiders, the ones challenging the system and its fundamental assumptions. The analogy of a Tea Party is an apt one: the Founding Fathers had much in common with the Tories of their day, but disagreed on a fundamental question, not of principle, but of practical politics: whether revolution was needed to protect their traditional rights as Englishmen from being eradicated by the growing encroachments of the British Crown. As it was then, the gulf between the two is the defining issue of today’s Republican Party and conservative movement.

In short, the real “Establishment” and “Outsider,” “anti-Establishment” or “Tea Party” factions are not about who is conservative or moderate, or who is inside or outside the Beltway or public office, or who has fancy degrees or a large readership/listenership or attends the right cocktail parties or churches, or even necessarily who has or has not supported various candidates. The term “Establishment” is used and abused in those contexts, but invariably describes only a division of passing significance. The real battle between the Establishment and the Outsiders is between those who urge significant changes in our spending patterns as a necessity to preserve the America we have known, and those who are unwilling to take that step. It is, in short, between those who are, and those who are not, willing to take action in the belief that the currently established structure of how public money is spent is unsustainable and must be fixed while it still can if we are not to lose by encroachments the all the other things Republicans and conservatives stand for.

The Background

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In a way, the division between confrontation and accommodation with the growth of the public sector is one that dates back to the 1950s, and the historical origins are useful in understanding why National Review, in particular, has found itself caught in the crossfire between its editors and its readership. The great GOP debate of 1933-1956 or so was how to react to the New Deal: try to moderate its excesses, or assault its premises. Dwight Eisenhower, in the long run, won the battle within the party in favor of the former; William F. Buckley, jr., in the long run, won the battle within the conservative movement in favor of the latter (hence the slogan “standing athwart history, yelling ‘stop!’”). Yet even Buckley and his magazine spent more effort combatting the status quo in national security policy than on the size of government.

From Goldwater’s failure in 1964 to Reagan’s victory in 1980 and Newt Gingrich’s victory in 1994 and failure in 1995-96, the common thread has been that conservatives win arguments about cutting taxes and restraining domestic discretionary spending, but lose arguments about dismantling the entitlement state created by FDR and LBJ and the auto-pilot budget-bloating processes of the 1970s. George W. Bush cemented this consensus in 2000-05: he could get the public behind cutting taxes and (sort of) restraining the growth of discretionary domestic spending but couldn’t get the public behind Social Security reform and was only able to get elected in 2000 by promising – then delivering in 2003 – a pricey new Medicare prescription drug entitlement. It seemed at the time that conservatives would have to content themselves with winning battles on taxes, national security, social issues/the courts and occasionally discretionary spending, but couldn’t challenge the status quo on the entitlement state and its compulsory collectivist impulses.

Then we got the multiple whammies of 2006-2011, which collectively pushed a lot of people on the Right from a position of accepting that they might be naive about how much change was possible, to being determined that the Establishment was naive about how long the old system could stand:

1. The Congressional GOP got swamped in the 2006 and 2008 elections, casting doubt on the long-term electoral viability of a strategy of modest ambitions in restraining spending, as well as spotlighting the ethical hazards of co-existing with massive federal spending.

2. The U.S. financial crisis left the federal and state governments in an immediately and visibly horrible fiscal position, bringing a renewed focus to the fact that entitlements (both citizen entitlements and public-employee benefit entitlements) would have brought us to this pass eventually and were only getting worse – a fact that otherwise-moderate public officials like Chris Christie and Mitch Daniels were able to exploit to get significant public support behind rethinking the social contract between government and its employees, if not its constituents.

3. The U.S. fiscal crisis paled in comparison to the fiscal crises of Europe. The horrible position of Greece in particular was a radicalizing event, as observant Americans were presented with a vivid example of how an entitlement state unravels. And the downgrade of the U.S. credit rating in the summer of 2011 cracked the complacency of those who assumed such things could never happen here.

4. More broadly, the financial crisis shook the faith of people throughout American society in our leading institutions, public as well as private. It made many people less trusting of experts, and less easily soothed by appeals to the status quo. The Occupy Wall Street movement, in its own way, underscored the fact that the center was fraying from both sides. The growth in support for Ron Paul is likewise a symptom of this dynamic.

5. Barack Obama got elected and pushed the most dramatic expansion of the universal-entitlement state in memory on healthcare, destroying the illusion that Republicans could hold the line by being reactive and awakening many previously sleepy citizens to the danger of comprehensive, compulsory national policies dictating the details of our daily personal lives.

6. The war – the glue that had held together Bush’s coalition – first turned politically toxic in 2006 and then began to recede in importance, almost immediately after both parties chose their presidential nominees in 2008 primarily on the basis of their positions on the Iraq War. Without the war as a unifying political force, it was no longer possible to convince spending hawks to set their concerns aside for the greater good.

7. The success of some – but by no means all – Tea Party candidates in the 2010 elections laid bare the fact that a lot of voters out there were open to the idea that possibly the whole structure of the federal government’s relationship with the voters was unsustainable.

Ben Domenech offers a helpful graph that sums up the impact:

Confronting Leviathan

Where do we go from here?

Congress

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The Establishment vs Outsiders dynamic has manifested itself most clearly in the various battles John Boehner – to his credit, despite being temperamentally and by experience a classic establishment figure himself – has attempted to wage on budget issues, most of which have ended with him surrounded and outmaneuvered by a de facto alliance of the Obama Administration, Harry Reid, and most depressingly Mitch McConnell. A line of battle is only as strong as its weakest link, and Boehner has repeatedly gone into battle without being able to depend on McConnell and the Senate GOP to hold his end of the line, making his negotiating position untenable. For the most part, the House-Senate divide has not been about ideology, but about tactics, and the Senate Republicans simply have not been willing to go as far as the House. This is precisely what I mean by “Establishment.”

The small but determined Outsider faction in the Senate, led by men like Jim DeMint and Ron Johnson, will need reinforcements, and all the moreso if – as discussed below – we end up with Mitt Romney as the GOP nominee and possibly the next President. This is why I have stressed, here and here, the importance of continuing to build a counterweight within Congressional GOP to whatever emerges from the presidential race, in particular unbeholden to Romney, and with particular focus on wresting control of the Senate GOP from its current accomodationist leadership. The results thus far have been mixed, although Jim DeMint’s refusal to endorse a candidate before the South Carolina primary is at least a start.

The White House

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The presidential race, of course, has been a great disappointment. Of the remaining five candidates, the two Texans are truly anti-Establishment, but one (Rick Perry) has struggled to get traction and is not (despite his impressive record) a particularly persuasive spokesman, while the other (Paul) is limited by the many other ways in which he is unacceptable to the Right and unworthy of significant office. The two Northeasterners are classic Establishment figures on spending: Mitt Romney’s entire career (like that of his father) embodies the Eisenhower-era approach of accommodation, complete with his signing of a huge, costly new entitlement in Massachusetts; while Rick Santorum is in many ways tempermentally more of a populist outsider, his career ended as part of the Senate leadership that lost its way and then its offices in the run-up to 2006. Both have attracted vocal, overlapping cheering sections dedicated to arguing that the tiger must be ridden. In the middle we have Newt Gingrich, who as I have written before, is a mixed bag on these issues; Newt is a believer in finding less confrontational ways to start unraveling the entitlement state, but he’s not fully a small-government guy, and your view of the weight to be placed on his successes and failures in this area may vary.

The contrast can be illustrated by the responses at last night’s debate by Santorum and Romney to Gingrich’s plan to offer voluntary private accounts as an opt-out of the Social Security system for younger workers. Santorum:

[Newt's plan is] irresponsible. And I say that against Newt because there’s nobody for the last 15 years that’s been more in favor of personal savings accounts than I have for Social Security. But we were doing that when we had a surplus in Social Security. We are now running a deficit in Social Security. We are now running a huge deficit in this country.

Under Congressman Gingrich’s proposals, if he’s right, that 95 percent of younger workers [choose to opt-out], there will be hundreds of billions of dollars in increased debt, hundreds of billions of more debt being put on the books, which we can’t simply – we’re going to be borrowing money from China to fund these accounts, which is wrong. I’m for those accounts, but first we have to get our fiscal house in order, balance this budget and then create the opportunity that Newt wants. But the idea of doing that now, is fiscal insanity.

Romney:

Rick is right. I – I know it’s popular here to say, oh we could just – we can do this and it’s not going to cost anything. But look, it’s going to get tough to get our federal spending from the current 25 percent of the GDP down to 20, down to 18 percent, which has been our history. We’ve got a huge number of obligations in this country and cutting back is going to have to happen. I know something about balancing budgets.

In the private sector, you don’t have a choice. You balance your budget, or you go out of business. And we – we simply can’t say we’re going to go out and borrow more money to let people set up new accounts that take money away from Social Security and Medicare today. Therefore, we should allow people to have a voluntary account, a voluntary savings program, tax free. That’s why I’ve said anybody middle income should be able to save their money tax free. No tax on interest, dividends or capital gains.

That will get American[]s saving and accomplishes your objective, Mr. Speaker, without threatening the future of America’s vitality by virtue of fiscal insanity.

Santorum and Romney plainly both recognize that Newt’s proposal would be good for younger workers, but Santorum argues that we need to keep them trapped in the current system to pay for other people’s current benefits, which of course is the self-fulfilling cycle that keeps the system impervious to reform. This is the rationale of Romneycare and Obamacare – compelling individuals to subsidize a collective program – and why such programs are so hard to uproot once they have been in place for a while. More crucially, what both Santorum and Romney are missing – both with regard to Santorum’s pleas for delay and Romney’s offering of an alternative savings system on top of Social Security – is that we already owe benefits to current recipients, no matter how we fund them, but an opt-out system would prevent us from accruing further obligations to younger workers who would then be self-financing their retirements, changing the system gradually from a defined-benefit to a more actuarially sustainable defined-contribution system, as most private employers have in the past few decades and as even state and local governments are beginning to realize they must (Romney, surely, would recognize this if he was dealing with a private business). This is the fundamental philosophical argument that needs to be made if we are going to persuade the American people not only that the spending and entitlement crisis is real – something the public is prepared to accept – but also that the GOP has a more sustainable long-term answer to fixing it so it does not recur.

At present, with Romney in the lead, it seems highly likely that whatever the outcome, the 2012 presidential election will be an enormous lost opportunity to educate the American public on the nature of the crisis and build a mandate for confronting it.

The Commentariat

Perhaps even more depressing has been the extent to which conservative commentators in general, and National Review in particular, have seemed eager to join not only the pro-Romney faction but the counterreaction more broadly against the “Outsiders” and their effort to shake the status quo on spending and entitlements. Thus, we get suggestions that Romney as President should raise taxes on the middle class by “lowering the floor for the top tax bracket” and preserve parts of Obamacare within a new comprehensive national system rather “than to have an emotionally satisfying but probably unwinnable fight over repeal per se.” This would be disastrous in many ways, not least symbolically: no federal entitlement program has ever been repealed wholesale, and the fact that a repeal of Obamacare would be shocking to the system is precisely why – in addition to its fiscal impact – it would be such significant progress in beginning to regain control over the system. And even worse than the economic and partisan impact of a GOP-sponsored middle-class tax hike is the extent to which raising taxes is official Washington’s longstanding solution to avoiding facing the spending problem. NR still employs a number of wonderful conservative and/or Republican writers who serve an important purpose in the world of political journalism, but that purpose is no longer the one that many of its readers so clearly want: a sustained and serious voice of resistance to an Establishment that is unsustainable. Which may say a good deal about why RedState’s following has grown apace these last few years: our corps of mostly volunteer contributors generally can’t match the resources and output of NR or The Weekly Standard (which to be fair has never positioned itself as an anti-Establishment outfit), but we’re giving voice to a message a lot of people want and need to hear and act on.

The States

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The future, if Washington (in particular the Obama Administration) doesn’t cut off its freedom of movement entirely, lies in the states, in the example of greater or lesser reforms pursued in Wisconsin, Ohio, Louisiana, Florida, Indiana, and to some extent New Jersey (where the problems are worse) and Texas (where there was less to reform). The states can provide models not only on the wonkier question of how to fix government’s finances, but on the far more significant underlying question of how to win and lose battles to persuade the public that meaningful change can wait no longer. The front lines in the states are primarily battles over public employee pensions, but important as those battles are, they are a dress rehearsal for the larger and more bitter fights to come over entitlements.

The specific outlines of those changes will continue to be debated, but the Republican Party will continue to be riven internally by a collision between the Establishment and the Outsiders until we have resolved the fundamental question of whether or not we are truly serious about spending and entitlements. If you know where you stand on those questions, you know which group you belong to.


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Great diary, Dan. This explains a lot to me and

pttx333 (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 11:53AM EDT (link)

will be most helpful down the road.

You might like to know that I just heard Michael Berry, conservative radio talk show host in Houston, 740 AM, was just reading a part of your diary on air.

Thanks for an informative tutorial!

 

This is all great, but...

docaja Tuesday, January 17th at 12:01PM EDT (link)

to date, no one has been able to convince the broader American public that it’s a good idea to eliminate Social Security, Medicare or even Medicaid. Everyone agrees to the idea of eliminating them, but then balk at the reality.

What to do?

Beaglescout (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 1:02PM EDT (link)

Wonderful and very long article about where we are as a party and how we got there. But the question burning in my mind is where do we go from here? Clearly the tea partiers want to stop the spending now. That’s the KISS version of what tea partiers want. The GOP in office now does not want to do that. And the new congress critters put into office by the tea partiers in 2010 have been coopted, or at least half of them have. What do we do now? How do we make progress and stop the spending now?

“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”

–Alexander Hamilton
 

Very few people have *tried*

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 2:07PM EDT (link)

Certainly not Mitt Romney or most of our Presidential candidates in the running.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 
 

Romney/Santorum out of context on entitlements

sethellis Tuesday, January 17th at 12:06PM EDT (link)

The comments by Romney and Santorum at the debate have been taken grossly out of context. Remember that the original question was in reference to the fact that Gingrich wants to compensate for the difference if your private plan underperforms the government plan. Meaning when the next crash occurs (as they always will) the government will be on the hook for all the retirees that just lost their retirement.

The larger issue here is that part of your retirement should be safe from market fluctuations. This shouldn’t be done through government, but through private pension plans. The Romney/Ryan plan accomplishes exactly that.

I think the real debate here should be if government should be involved in helping retirement savings at all. I think that’s what Santorum was kinda hinting at when he said Romney’s plan isn’t bold.

Wrong. Santorum and Romney Exposed as RINOs.

Spartan4Life (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 12:38PM EDT (link)

They were aghast, I tell you, aghast, at the idea that Newt actually proposed that our kids and grandkids might actually get to keep more of their own money.

Santorum said(paraphrasing), “We can’t do that. We need those REVENUES(emphasis mine).” That is no different then what you would hear from Harry Reid or Chuck Schumer. Not surprising coming from the big government Senator from Pennsylvania. But, when Romney agreed with him my wife and I about fell out of our collective chairs.

I had just started getting my head around supporting Romney and he lost me again with that whole answer. It just reinforces that he thinks we need a little tinkering here and there and not transformative change. I want the latter.

Gingrich only increases taxpayer obligations

sethellis Tuesday, January 17th at 1:03PM EDT (link)

Your response shows that you don’t even understand the difference between the plans. They both accomplish practically the same thing you talk about in your post which is letting you decide how to use your social security tax dollars.

The difference is that Newt wants to guarantee performance. Under Romney’s plan you are sol if your plan underperforms social security. Newt wants to cover the difference. Where do you think that money is going to come from?

Gingrich actually increases the burden of social security on the budget. The liabilities will balloon once the market has a bad year. This is classic Gingrich. It sounds like a good conservative idea on the surface, but doesn’t stand up under further scrutiny. It’s not even conservative. Government will compensate you if you make a bad choice with your retirement money?

And continuing with the same worn-out, almost financially-defunct system

lineholder (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 1:09PM EDT (link)

we have now IS Conservative? Let’s just go with the same-old same-old, seeing as how it is working so well for us, eh?

The system badly needs to be over-hauled, and we do need all the ideas we can get to find a way to succeed in doing just that. I’d much rather the generations behind me have greater opportunities, even if it might mean taking more risks, than to find themselves hemmed into a little corner totally dependent on what the government “deems” they deserve to be paid during their golden years, wouldn’t you?

The more brainstorming we can do on these status-quo big-government high-dollar programs, the more chances we have of finding a better way.

 
 

Disagree

BrendanW Tuesday, January 17th at 11:55PM EDT (link)

I think their issue was with timing. On the other hand, I considered both their positions very weak. The ONLY way to fix entitlements is to first move them to the general ledger, and second simplify taxes.

Why?

It’s the only way Americans will understand the costs and risks, and thus support reform.

Step two can be privatization of sorts. (I favor a nospeedbumps.com type plan myself.)

In the meantime we need to ridiculously tighten the belt to pay for the transition costs – and also make some medium term structural changes (like Romney suggested.)

I just cannot see a real fix without tax simplification first. And by that I mean something like Newt’s “15%” approach.

Fled MA to Live Free or Die.

 

Santorum is FOR social security choice plans

Freedoms Truth (Diary) Sunday, January 22nd at 3:48PM EDT (link)

The posters correcting you have it right.
They (Romney/Santorum) were not criticizing the concept, their own plans have it as well, they were critiquing Gingrich’s implementations.
Read up on the details.

That said, I dont quite agree with the critiques. The cost of transition has always been used as an excuse to stop reform.
We have $15 trillion in debt and $40 TRILLION in actuarial deficits. We can handle a trillion or two in transition cost over 10 years.

Reality is...

conservativeparrothead Sunday, January 22nd at 4:12PM EDT (link)

If this ever comes to pass, it will probably coincide with means testing for SS benefits, so the amount that goes into savings accounts (thus not into the fund to pay out benefits) will be offset by not paying out those who dont need it.

They dont want to bring it up, because it will cause a ____storm, but my sense is that is probably reality, its probably a reality anyway, this might be a way it actually gets done.

 
 
 
 

The "FIX" that Dems LOVE

Bessside_Zonian Tuesday, January 17th at 12:11PM EDT (link)

It appears that Romney was the initial GOP choice-the “fair-haired child”. I am in awe of how (dispite the protestations of the Conservatives) he is getting shoved forward.
I found it interesting that when the one guy who appeared to be a real true Conservative AND a honest potential threat was emerging, the R.I.N.O. party (aka GOP) stood hand in hand with not only the Dems, but the media in attacks to bring Herman Cain to a complete halt.
I detest that the “established” R.I.N.O.s are running around “convincing” the uninformed that THEY should dictate WHO is the candidate. Our very ability to CHOOSE is being undermined at every level.
Conservatives hold themselves to high standards – this is admirable. This is also our stumbling block as it is used by the R.I.N.O.s (supposedly our own) and Dems (the amoral group) – “the ends justify the means”.
When are We The People going to learn that the “distractions” are exactly that??? [Look how the R.I.N.O.s jumped on throwing Sarah Palin under the bus!!! – look how Herman Cain was “convicted” without any real proof!!! (Just because someone “claims” something, does NOT mean it was true – we all have known of situations wherein others have made FALSE claims just to be nasty and ruin someone).
Bottom line: We are too easily influenced by the R.I.N.O.s who are all too willing to throw out their integrity…..we are carreening toward Fabian Socialism. We will get stuck with Socialism.
We will become exactly what our forefathers escaped in Europe…….so we will be looking at either electing Obama,,,,and fast-tracking ourselves to Communism…..or taking the slower road to Socialism with Romney (a FORMER Dem and still a wolf in sheep’s clothing).
The R.I.N.O.s and the Dem oligarchy are putting on a good show….and we will just get the crumbs.
God help us!

Bessside Zonian

 

Mitt's tax returns.

Samsara (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 12:15PM EDT (link)

Vote for Romney so you can find out what in his tax returns will make him unelectable. Sound familiar?

 

Yes, great diary. Though the notion that Obamacare will not be repealed offends me deeply.

jakeofalltrades (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 12:28PM EDT (link)

If the GOP takes power and cannot repeal Obamacare, I don’t see how I will be able to stay in the party.

jake, how familiar are you with what has been going on in the healthcare industry?

lineholder (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 12:44PM EDT (link)

I want O-care repealed, completely and totally. But for the present time, I have indirect links with the health care industry and know that due to the type of regulatory measures that have been enacted during the past two years and the manner in which they have been enacted, this is bringing about a transformation of how our health care system works overall.

That was the intention the entire time, of course, but no one expected it to happen so quickly. If O-care stands, within a few years, we will have a health care system that presents a tremendous drain on our nation economically. There will be no way to prevent it from happening.

As things stand at the present time, there’s already been a certain amount of damage done, and the question is whether or not that damage can be undone and HOW it can be undone!! Even if Repubs succeed in getting a repeal passed, they would HAVE to replace it with some type of legislative plan, hopefully one that would move us back in the direction of free-market principles and helping to establish the kind of environment that could genuinely reduces health care costs.

We’ll run into battle royal in this case, because there are big-government Repubs along with big-government, socialist-style Dems who will not want that to happen. We need more fiscal Conservatives in Congress if we want a chance to succeed in this. Dan’s right.

Not familiar at all, lineholder - thanks for the input. (nt)

jakeofalltrades (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 12:53PM EDT (link)
 

Missed Point Applies to Your Concern

edintexas Wednesday, January 18th at 9:02AM EDT (link)

Virtually every alleged pundit missed the real point of the Romney statement regarding “firing”. It wasn’t that “I like firing” garbage, it was his comment that allowing you to pick and choose your healthcare providers is “one thing I would change” about Obamacare.

That is not the statement of a person who has any desire to repeal Obamacare. You don’t change something you plan to eliminate. He’s apparently dedicated to minor changes around the edges, which makes sense when we consider that Obamacare isn’t far removed from Romneycare.

 
 

jake, not "can't" but "won't."

Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 12:46PM EDT (link)

The question will most likely be whether or not a GOP controlled Congress has the willpower and backbone to repeal Obamacare. Or even if we don’t take over the Senate, if they can find and use the same kind of zeal in converting enough Dems to vote for repeal as the Dems used in getting the necessary GOP votes to pass it.

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)

I know, "reply to this..." nt

Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 12:47PM EDT (link)

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)

 
 

O/T I can't find Create New Diary Entry button

BillC (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 12:49PM EDT (link)

Before I bother the proprietors I thought I would ask the community. I can’t find the Create New Diary Entry button. I am logged in, I have been a member for months, I have never posted a diary. Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong? I’ll check back later, thanks.

BillC - My Profile > Edit > Request Diary (nt)

jakeofalltrades (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 12:54PM EDT (link)

BillC, you may have to request permission to post your first diary

lineholder (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 12:55PM EDT (link)

On the menu bar near the top of the screen, click on “create new diary entry”, then find the “request diary” selection in the left hand column. Choose this, and go from there.

lineholder...that "create new diary entry"

westcoastpatriette (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 1:51PM EDT (link)

option does not appear for people until after they are already given diary status. You must do what jake’ describes above before the option you describe appears. See what I mean?

Praise ye the Lord. Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints. Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: Let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Let them praise His name in the dance: let them sing praises unto Him with the timbrel and harp. Psalm 149:1-3

Thank you (nt)

BillC (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 3:27PM EDT (link)
 
 
 

Good article about the establishment's Modus Operandi

OCBill (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 1:07PM EDT (link)

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/mitt_romney_the_last_republican_president.html

Excerpt:
The campaign strategy of Mitt Romney mirrors that of all the past moderate nominees chosen by the Party. The formula: speak the language of the conservative majority in the Party, claim only a moderate can get elected, divide the vote among the conservatives running for the nomination, mobilize the media to destroy any real conservative challenger, and overwhelm these same challengers with money from the deep-pocket establishment contributors.

You can’t afford the price of free corn.

 

Good article about the establishment's Modus Operandi

OCBill (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 1:07PM EDT (link)

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/mitt_romney_the_last_republican_president.html

Excerpt:
The campaign strategy of Mitt Romney mirrors that of all the past moderate nominees chosen by the Party. The formula: speak the language of the conservative majority in the Party, claim only a moderate can get elected, divide the vote among the conservatives running for the nomination, mobilize the media to destroy any real conservative challenger, and overwhelm these same challengers with money from the deep-pocket establishment contributors.

You can’t afford the price of free corn.

 

How long until the old system collapses?

kipling (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 1:39PM EDT (link)

Excellent article.

In your opinion, how long until the old system collapses unless it is significantly reformed.

 

SC, I'm Begging You

aj_0000 Tuesday, January 17th at 1:58PM EDT (link)

Wake up and vote for Newt. It’s our only hope to stop Romney. If you like Santorum or Perry, that’s great. But neither of them is in a position to pull it off. A vote for anyone but Newt is a vote for Romney. Please, you have the power to save us all from the disaster of a Romney nomination. I’m begging you.

Me too!

WillWong (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 2:00PM EDT (link)

+555555555555

 

You got that right. Newt is the only one who can stop the Progressive Mitt.

unsk Tuesday, January 17th at 7:20PM EDT (link)

Absolutely right on.

Newt is the only one who can stop Romney now.

Perry just won’t make the argument. His heart must not be in the game. He has no chance, as a result. A vote now for Perry is a wasted vote, and essentially in the end, a vote for Romney.

Santorum is a pro-life Progressive. Forget him. Don’t tell me he is a conservative. He is not.

If Romney is the nominee, we will have two Progressive Socialists running for President, with an almost certainty that one of them will win. At this time of dire need, that outcome may mean the end of the American Dream as we know. The bought and paid for will have won and America will pay a heavy price.

 
 

Nicely Written, Dan

turningtables (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 2:02PM EDT (link)

Ours is a ‘republic on the ropes.’

Christian, dad, husband, conservative, Republican… in that order.

Growing impatient with the situation. Getting frustrated with the fact that the GOP establishment doesn’t share the same priorities I do. Becoming convinced it may be time to offer them one of the crap sandwiches they have been handing me for a couple of decades now.

 

It's Not Just About Spending.

aj_0000 Tuesday, January 17th at 2:03PM EDT (link)

I have to disagree that this is all about spending. That’s just the biggest area of disconnect. The Republican “establishment” is part of the cultural elite. They disdain the “little people” in “flyover country” just like those on the left. They look down their nose at conservative Christians, and anyone who’s not rich. The only thing that makes them “conservative” is their love for tax cuts and war. On every other issue, they are moderate progressives. They, like the elite on the left, think they are the ones who deserve to rule, because the people are incapable of governing themselves.

Only 1 leg left on the 3 legged stool.

tonotisto Tuesday, January 17th at 2:34PM EDT (link)

Exactly.

Not only is th Repub Party in a battle of spending (well explained by this article, kudos).

But, the Repubs are ignoring the other issues and expecting the old guard who are worried about the culture to sit down and shut up.

The Rockefeller Repubs are moderate progressives. That is what Romney meant by his statement proclaimng himself a moderate progressive.

I believe that Repub thinks “fly-over” voters have nowhere else to go. We”ll see.

I also think that Repub Establishment want a post Christian Repub party to better reflect what many are callling the Post Christan era in the U.S. This is their belief not mine.

It is a mess. If we win with Romney, they’ll feel vindicated and Conservatism will be shelved for a while. If we lose with Romney , they’ll blame us for not “fully” supporting (oh and we’ll be called bigots).

Afer Nov, there will be many articles written about the Repub divide and rather l the party will come back together. Then hopefully, we can debate with sanity again.

But, all things work together for……

 

Oversimplified

Dan McLaughlin (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 2:36PM EDT (link)

As I explained above, Santorum is a classic example of what Erick calls pro-life statists – he’s a Christian warrior with the scars to prove it on social issues, but has simply thrown in the towel on meaningfully attacking big government.

“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” – Winston Churchill

You might have oversimplified too

tonotisto Tuesday, January 17th at 2:45PM EDT (link)

Am not attacking you, we probably agree more than disagree on this issue.

But, many are now equating a so-called Social Con as being a statist like Santorum.

That is a trap too.

One can stand for all 3 principles laid out during the Reagon years.

I may have read it wrong. But, I understood aj_0000 as stating that we are limiting ourselves in our beliefs and principles of Conservatism if we only think the difference in the divide is fiscal.

Wall Street + K Street

aj_0000 Tuesday, January 17th at 3:26PM EDT (link)

The Republican Party, as seen by those who run it, is the party of Wall Street and K Street. They are conservative only in comparison to the Democrats. But they are all progressives, well to the left of the American people. They have abandoned all three “legs of the stool”. They’ve abandoned economic conservatives, which is where the Tea Party comes from. On foreign policy, they have gone full blown Woodrow Wilson, which is where Ron Paul comes from. They find social conservatives embarrassing, because the wealthy elite mostly despise Christians and view anyone who “actually believes that stuff” as a backwards kook, if not a dangerous fanatic.

 
 
 
 

Wish For More Time To Read This. TRAITORS

notpropagandized Tuesday, January 17th at 2:08PM EDT (link)

It’s difficult to work through this debate and wonder why no one had figured a way to ID all, I mean ALL, the people who have prospered on the backs of the US Taxpayer. Democrats and Republicans seem to have been ripping us off all the while and we’re trying to find where ‘ing fault line is?

I want the thieves ID’d, investigated, indicted, prosecuted and imprisoned for the seditious traitors they are by stealing our country’s livelihood. If some of them are already dead, then their reputations need to be revised just like JoePa’s.

What’cha think about that?!

I am with you brother... String'em up as an example to the rest..

texastaxpayer (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 2:21PM EDT (link)

:)

“Texas will again lift it’s head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” Sam Houston

 
 

Outstanding Piece, Thank you for posting this.

petespa Tuesday, January 17th at 3:46PM EDT (link)

I believe there is an appetite today for cuts and a reduction in spending that would not have been there a short time ago. Obama’s rubberstamp approval of, and usually full-throated support for, spending programs and a lack of fiscal restraint have strengthened the argument we need to make to the American people – the one outlined in this article.

What we cannot do is win elections and replace one form of spending with another. The election of a conservative candidate should be a display of the contrast between disciplined governing and irresponsible spending. The Bush years told the public that it wasn’t about spending vs. restraint, it was about which programs we’re willing to go broke funding.

We can’t be a different flavor of irresponsibility. We have to be its antithesis. If we can’t sell that – or the public simply won’t accept it – then we live with the breakdown of our nation’s founding ideals that we hail. Given a choice – a real choice – I don’t believe the nation votes us down the drain.

Yes, it is! I'm going to bookmark this one.

avagreen Tuesday, January 17th at 4:19PM EDT (link)

I was having kittens last night listening to Newt about his plan….

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

 
 

Spending isn't the real problem though - it's a symptom of a much larger problem

dajeeps (Diary) Tuesday, January 17th at 4:07PM EDT (link)

Thomas Jefferson nailed this one:

“I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground: That ” all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States or to the people.” To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition….”

The out of control spending is what happens when there is no definition of governmental powers and we are reduced to no more than a constitution of protections in criminal matters. Government does what it wants, when it wants by however many degrees it wants regardless of consequence, and treats us as if we are nothing more than bottomless piggy banks for governmental adventurism as it piles on the programs and holds states hostage unless they do exactly what the government says.

This does not mean that reasonable people cannot agree that perhaps government can be useful in some regards that were not conceivable in 1785. And I think that a discussion regarding which specific powers might be of some benefit would be helpful and use the amendment process to grant those powers. But there should be clearly defined roles and responsibilities between the states and the Federal government, a line drawn in the sand that says these are things the Federal government can do, but no more or we will never be able to get control of the spending situation and adverse economic effects of nebulous regulatory powers for more than a few years at a time. We will keep having to have these arguments that result in not much more than the rearranging of the deck chairs on the Titanic as we lose eve more personal liberty.

If we try to limit spending without drawing the distinction between roles and responsibilities, government will find away around it with off budget distortions of markets, like it did with Fannie and Freddie. It will still be the nanny state and intrude on personal liberties with mandates like what’s in Obama care, or unfunded mandates to states. And we will still pay for it, the only difference would be is to who we have to make the check payable, or it will just disappear out of our 401k’s and retirement accounts when those market distortions come knocking at at the door.

…”I would quarrel with both parties and with every individual of each, before I would subjugate my understanding, or prostitute my tongue or pen to either.”
–John Adams

You Have Nailed It

edintexas Wednesday, January 18th at 9:23AM EDT (link)

But I despair of ever seeing the country revert to actual Constitutional government in my lifetime, or the lifetimes of my children. My Grandsons?

Most citizens do not have much knowledge of the Constitution, and know so little of our system of government that most call the US a “democracy” – a term used by the Roosevelt Democrats so the people would equate the party with the country. It worked all too well.

 
 

NRO...ah, yes

gallifet Tuesday, January 17th at 8:20PM EDT (link)

Great article Dan, I’ve been one of those commenters over at NRO trying to hold the WFB line, and yes, it has been depressing. One fact that emerges is the how anomalous this election cycle will be. I don’t think anyone is going to call this one. I do know that the crew at NRO have had a few too many complimentary cruises and Georgetown dinners, but then I grew up with Firing Line.

 

Romney is the 2012 Kerry

furiouschads Tuesday, January 17th at 11:32PM EDT (link)

Wooden
Inevitable
Electable (I don’t like him but normal people will vote for him.)
Privileged
Well funded
Moderate (in his party’s view)
From Mass.
Francophone
French-lover
Flipflopper

Don't forget the most important similarity....

texastaxpayer (Diary) Wednesday, January 18th at 2:35PM EDT (link)

Loser…
:)

“Texas will again lift it’s head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” Sam Houston

 
 

Wrong words used to cover actions

6t9boss Wednesday, January 18th at 5:32AM EDT (link)

The definition is simple and many see it…”Establishment” means Liberal.
Snow, Lincoln,Brown, Boehner, Steele, etal… anybody who is not Conservative. They probably are the ones who came up with the name in the first place, to deflect their Liberal actions and cover-up the revelation to all that the Liberal wing in the GOP is consistantly attacking Conservatives.
The Carl Rove RINO’s and pundits like Beck, Coulter, kruathammer, Crystal have gone out of their way to destroy Conservatives…… and they want us to vote for Milk toast Romney…that’s a laugher!
The “Establishemnt ” GOP are not but Democrate-Lite with the Letter “R” by their name!

The Real Republican Establishment

snappy101 Wednesday, January 18th at 7:58AM EDT (link)

I’m going to have to go along with 6t9boss and add they are the people in 2008 who wagged their finger at conservatives and told us to shut up, get in line and vote for John McCain at the same time they were asking us to donate money to the GOP. They think Independents are more important than we are because we have no place else to go. They work in the NY/DC corridor and they court and monetarily support people to run for President with whom they are used to rubbing elbows. It includes the mainstream media like Fox News and its panels/analysts who derive their own personal power by who they know and look down their nose at the rest of the country. It includes Wall Street and every politician who works within spitting distance of that DC/NY corridor. They try to blur the line between true conservatives and themselves by calling every Republican, conservative. I contend they are succeeding.

They only “settled” for Mitt Romney after they wooed many others after Romney had declared months before. Before they settled for Romney, their mouthpiece in the TV news media told us he had 25 percent of voter support and was just treading water. After the other girls they courted told them “no” all of a sudden that same Mitt Romney with that same 25 percent support became the only person who could beat Obama. What changed other than the spin? Every chance they got they drove home the Most Electable mantra. Pretty soon GOP voters began to parrot it in the polls. Then they turned around and pointed to the polls and said something like, “See, the polls show only Mitt Romney can beat Obama.” That’s the message they pounded through Iowa and NH. Now with only 20 Romney delegates the message they are pounding home ad nauseum is that he’s the Inevitable Mitt Romney. That message is for SC voters who they also keep reminding that they only pick winners to put some pressure on them to vote for Inevitable Mitt Romney. Only occasionally do they mention that SC has 25 delegates and a different winner in SC means a different delegate leader and a longer race. But even though they don’t say it every night what they really don’t want is this race to head to all the southern states. They want Inevitable Mitt Romney to be the only tuna in the can by the time the race turns toward the true South.

Here’s my message for the GOP: Go ask Independents for donations to the party if they are so important that you cater to them over most of us in the rest of the country. Ask those northeastern liberal Republicans to pony up more money if they have any left after taxes to support your liberal Republican candidates. You know who those candidates are. They are the ones you call “moderate” to make them more palatable to the masses than “liberal Republicans.”

Well said

6t9boss Wednesday, January 18th at 8:10AM EDT (link)

well said statement snappy101

 

Hope everyone reads your post

superrooter Wednesday, January 18th at 8:11AM EDT (link)

because you have completely summed up the definition of Establishment Republican

 

Well said indeed and Romney is lagging Obama

Juggernaut (Diary) Wednesday, January 18th at 9:05AM EDT (link)

with moderate voters which isn’t a good sign when “negatives” rise. Its for us to lose if the media succeed in manipulating the gullible.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2012/01/17/right-turn-hurting-romney-poll-hints-at-it/

President Obama has opened a 49-44 percent lead over ex-Gov. Mitt Romney, in a new poll that suggests Romney may be losing moderates and independents as he moves right to court Republican primary voters and caucus goers.

The Public Policy Polling survey shows a modest reversal of fortune for the 44th president, who trailed Romney 45-47 percent in a poll taken in mid-December.

“Over the last month, Romney’s seen his negatives with independents rise from 46 percent to 54 percent, suggesting that the things he has to say and do to win the Republican nomination aren’t necessarily helping him in the general,” said Tom Jensen of Public Policy Polling.

RomneyCare is Right Wing Socialism –

Romney “severely conservative”? That’s the opposite of a “compassionate conservative” like George W. Bush? Actually, we know what a severely conservative is. It’s Dick Cheney and Mitt Romney is no Dick Cheney.

 
 

One Question

edintexas Wednesday, January 18th at 9:33AM EDT (link)

I haven’t been following Glenn Beck’s radio show, or web site, so I don’t know what his position is on the primaries. But I am surprised to see you stating that Glenn Beck has gone out of his way to destroy Conservatives and is supporting Mittens for the nomination. Are these the current actions and positions of Glenn Beck? Or is there another Beck to whom you are referring?

Glen beck

6t9boss Wednesday, January 18th at 5:56PM EDT (link)

I remember when Newt was leading in the poles just before Christmas Glen Beck ( 12-6-11 to be exact) was ripping Newt up oneside and down the other. I could not beilieve it.
Ann Coulter showed up on Neil Boortz show and litterally ripped Newt in half while Neil ( Newts “Friend” of 40 years ) silently let her go on.
You all know what Rove has done to Newt.

 
 
 

You had me to this point:

adeleintexas Wednesday, January 18th at 9:54AM EDT (link)

“The small but determined Outsider faction in the Senate, led by men like Jim DeMint and Ron Johnson, will need reinforcements, and all the moreso if – as discussed below – we end up with Mitt Romney as the GOP nominee and possibly the next President. This is why I have stressed, here and here, the importance of continuing to build a counterweight within Congressional GOP to whatever emerges from the presidential race, in particular unbeholden to Romney, and with particular focus on wresting control of the Senate GOP from its current accomodationist leadership. The results thus far have been mixed, although Jim DeMint’s refusal to endorse a candidate before the South Carolina primary is at least a start.”

Really? To many, including me, this SMACKS of DeMint playing politics as usual and displaying a streak of cowardice a mile wide. It pains me to say something here, too, but I no longer support him – or any politician for that matter – who betrays the conservative movement by choosing to jockey for position rather than standing and fighting for his principles. A person who fails in having the courage of their convictions isn’t worth a plug nickel to himself or the party they represent. If DeMint was sincere in his convictions, he would have endorsed Rick Perry as he has the Texas senatorial candidate who enthusiastically did endorse him, Ted Cruz.

Jim DeMint would do well to recall the Dante quote: “There is a special place reserved in Hell for those who do nothing in a time of moral crisis.” His shameful failure to launch has bought him a first class seat.

 

This has always been the battle in the Party.

Loren Heal (Diary) Wednesday, January 18th at 10:55AM EDT (link)

Before the Civil War, at the Party’s founding, there were Republicans who wanted to continue to dance around the edges and hold slavery at bay in the Territories, on the theory that it was too risky and slavery would eventually collapse on its own.

The Radical Republicans eventually won out.


Join the Concord Project, and follow @lheal, if you dare.

 

Since I'm an Outsider

cacharlie Wednesday, January 18th at 2:10PM EDT (link)

as in: KISS taxed and regulated way more than enough already serious, could that be why I’m still cheering for Perry for President?

Who else is going to cut Congress to the bone? Or do I need a lobotomy?

You're in fine company cacharlie.

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, January 18th at 2:26PM EDT (link)

It’s the ones who can’t or refuse to see Perrys’ conservative credentials
who need or already have had a lobotomy. ;)

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 

Your not alone...

texastaxpayer (Diary) Wednesday, January 18th at 2:33PM EDT (link)

They seem to have forgotten my stupid pills too…. I am also still rooting for Perry. His record, achievements and his last 6 debates give me hope. Though it seems the sheep have chosen and are now walking in line behind Romney.

“Texas will again lift it’s head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” Sam Houston

Thanks gekster and texastaxpayer

cacharlie Wednesday, January 18th at 4:02PM EDT (link)

Glad to be in such good company.
Go Perry!
Move ‘em out, head ‘em up,
Head ‘em up, move ‘em on.
Move ‘em out, head ‘em up:
Rawhide.
Cut ‘em out, ride ‘em in,
Ride ‘em in, cut ‘em out,
Cut ‘em out, ride ‘em in:
Rawhide!

 
 
 

Dan This was great

CarolT (Diary) Sunday, January 22nd at 12:11AM EDT (link)

I don’t know how I missed this the day it went up. I discovered Red State in the summer of 2008 and open in everyday. I worked Tuesday and stayed late. Wednesday I was of the 700+ in an uproar over Erick asking Rick Perry to step down and endorse Newt. I wish Erick would share some of the info he had on the situation at the time, I read here that the Perrys would have to go into debt.
This was one of the best reads in weeks. Thank you.
I cancelled what remained of my two year subscription to NRO after they villified Newt, Rick Perry and a third with “Winnowing the Field” by “the editors” no names to take the blame. I demaned a refund.

 

Where the spending hawks got it wrong:

kyle8 (Diary) Wednesday, January 25th at 6:15PM EDT (link)

The mistake was made with G W’s wars. No, I am not debating whether we should have fought the wars, I am saying that many many conservatives allowed the Wars to blind them about spending.

Instead of war being an excuse for spending, They should have held the Republicans feet to the fire and Demanded reduced spending in order to pay for war, because all war is costly.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

Yep.

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, January 25th at 6:47PM EDT (link)

This is especially true since Hussein was not an imminent threat to the US. He was arguably a threat to US interests, but such a threat should be balanced against the threat that high deficits also present to the US economy and government.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke