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Establishments and Our Money: A Response To Avik Roy

We Will Not Get It Back Without A Fight

Following my essay on the nature of the Establishment vs Tea Party or Outsider divide on the Right as driven primarily by a divide over whether and how we can roll back the seemingly endless growth of spending and the size of government, a number of people offered criticisms. Some noted that there are longstanding divides between the DC-based professional class (officeholders, staffers, pundits and journalists who have a direct stake in particular people having political power) and those outside. Which is true and a contributing factor (as any student of public choice theory could tell you), but not new, and in any event self-defeating definition: if the people in power are definitionally opposed to those without, then new elections are purposeless exercises. History tells us otherwise: the professional class may restrain and co-opt, but there are always those officeholders (new and experienced) who are willing to stick their necks out for genuine changes in the long-term trajectory of public policy. Others pointed to the cultural divide such as the one that Angelo Codevilla identified in his 2010 essay distinguishing between a Ruling Class and a Country Party. Codevilla’s analysis is certainly a useful part of the debate, and is another longstanding fault line that laid the groundwork for the current schism. But it doesn’t really reflect why now, at this time, conservatives are willing to lock horns with the organs of Republican and conservative leadership that, in the Bush years, commanded a good deal of loyalty from the rank and file – willing enough to line up cheering throngs of responsible citizens behind the most unlikely of 21st century populist champions, Newt Gingrich.

The most sustained critique comes from sometime National Review contributor Avik Roy, writing in Forbes. Roy calls Redstate a “bastion of populist conservatism,” which is true even if I’m not exactly anybody’s idea of a populist. He says that Ben Domenech is “one of the best conservative writers on health care issues,” which is certainly true, and faults the rest of us at RedState for not developing “serious proposals for entitlement reform,” in contrast to NR’s columnists – which should be unsurprising to Roy if he thinks about the fact that most of us have day jobs, to say nothing of the fact that RedState’s principal role is activism rather than think-tankery.

Roy seems most upset at my references to National Review, which is a shame, because as I said I have nothing against NR, and I agree with Roy that NR as a whole still provides an awful lot of good punditry, analysis and advocacy (and I remain a big fan of many of its long-time writers); I was just trying to explain precisely why so many people on the Right were agitated at it. In any event, Roy misses some crucially important points that undermine his entire argument.

To begin with, Roy completely ignores everything that has happened on Capitol Hill since, well, ever. There’s a reason I started by citing the Boehner-McConnell divide as the front lines of the current schism, yet Roy doesn’t even bother to discuss the current dynamics in Congress, let alone the long and dolorous history of efforts to get Congress to restrain the growth of spending, entitlements and the size of government.

This is related to the larger failing in Roy’s analysis, which is to equate having position papers with being serious about reform:

National Review has been the leading source of detailed conservative proposals and thoughtful conservative opinion on entitlement reform. People like Yuval Levin and Jim Capretta, who write regularly for NR, have effectively dedicated their careers to the cause of entitlement reform.

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The rhetoric of Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum may be less inflammatory, but it is backed up with real proposals that stand a chance of getting passed by an actual Congress.

As anyone with a passing familiarity with Republican politics over the past four or five decades knows, conservative magazines and think tanks have been making detailed entitlement reform proposals for most of those years, and Republicans running for offices high and low have been running on platforms of reducing the size and cost of government for just as long. And then nothing happens.

That’s why Congress’ battles over the debt ceiling and related issues provide such a potent example. Basically all Republican Senators profess to be in favor of smaller government, and yet so few are willing to go to the barricades to make it a reality. Now, I’m a realist – there are limits to how much we could expect even a completely united GOP to bring home as long as Obama is the President and Harry Reid the Senate Majority Leader. But the repeated spectacle of leading pundits and Beltway Republicans tut-tutting Boehner and company for even trying to use their leverage to exact real concessions is a sign that the message Republican voters have been sending is not getting through to everyone.

(I will leave aside for the moment the detailed arguments over policy alternatives, except to make the obvious point that, to the extent Roy is framing of the debate as one about deficits and how to “fix Medicare” and “compromise with the dastardly forces of statism” with plans like Ryan-Wyden rather than how to reduce the overall footprint of public spending in relation to the private sector economy, he is illustrating rather than responding to my argument.)

The related point here – and one that says much about why RedState has put so much energy into intra-party primary battles rather than the production of white papers – is that personnel is policy. The ideas are already there; what is lacking is the necessary corps of people with the will to fight for them. As the other presidential contenders have faded by now, in the case of the presidential race I’ll focus at this point on Romney (the candidate who unquestionably has drawn the most loyal support from elected officials, NR editorials and other spots on the commanding heights of Republican politics) and Gingrich, who I previously identified as a sort-of-Outsider (albeit not as fundamentally as Rick Perry) and who has (like Perry) drawn a disproportionate amount of scorn from people who you might think of as allies to his cause.

It’s true that if you plow through Romney’s gazillion-point plans you will find things worth fighting for. The problem is convincing anybody that Mitt Romney, of all people, would actually go to the mattresses to get them done. Besides noting that “Romney is saddled, as we know, with Romneycare,” Roy gives the element of leadership short shrift, yet it is at the center of the disquiet with Romney and his actual record in office. It’s why it is troubling to see talk from Romney backers about replacing rather than repealing Obamacare, and positively alarming to see senior Romney advisor Norm Coleman say

“We’re not going to do repeal. You’re not going to repeal Obamacare… It’s not a total repeal… You will not repeal the act in its entirety, but you will see major changes, particularly if there is a Republican president… You can’t whole-cloth throw it out. But you can substantially change what’s been done.”

Gingrich, as I have noted before, is an odd fit with the anti-Establishment movement he now finds himself leading, not only because he is so long inside the Beltway and so steeped in its ways (albeit with a nearly endless list of enemies there) but because he’s not fundamentally a small-government guy. But the anti-Establishment, Outsider, Tea Party movement appears to be rapidly consolidating behind him as a vessel to stop Romney for reasons that are hardly irrational: Newt is a fighter and an iconoclast by temperament and a powerful spokesman for conservative ideas, but he’s also a guy with an actual record. As Newt loves to note, the 1996 welfare reform is the closest we’ve come to actual government-shrinking entitlement reform in living memory. Newt spearheaded a national reform that took millions of Americans off the welfare rolls, cutting caseloads in half by 2000; Romney created an entitlement to add about 400,000 people to the taxpayer-subsidized pool in Massachusetts alone. And, as Josh Kraushaar notes, Newt on the stump is a good deal more substantive in his presentation than Romney. (This is one reason why Newt won out over Rick Perry, an experienced and knowledgeable governor who was never able to communicate his accomplishments and understanding of public policy to voters). Voters may be looking skeptically at campaign promises as opposed to records in office, but they very rationally view a candidate’s willingness to verbalize strong positions as a necessary predicate to carrying them out.

Roy goes on to say:

Conservatives have a well-earned suspicion of anything that comes out of the Northeast, and of Ivy League-educated coastal elites in general. The thinking goes that, since most Northeasterners and Ivy Leaguers are liberals, the so-called conservatives who come out of these places must be liberals also. Conversely, conservatives who come out of red states must be true conservatives.

As a lifelong New Yorker and Wall Street lawyer with an Ivy League law degree, I may not be the best target for Roy’s caricature, but even aside from that, it’s pretty clear that most Tea Partiers understand perfectly that the ability to fight for real change is not about what state you come from but what you do to move the needle in the place you serve. Chris Christie, though basically a moderate Republican, has become a cult hero for his willingness to play hardball with public employee unions; ditto Scott Walker in the Land of LaFollette. I’m hardly alone among current Newt supporters in having once backed Rudy Giuliani for President, because Rudy made major, lasting changes in New York City’s liberal governance that made the city a better place to live – Rudy may have unraveled as the 2008 campaign wore on, but his status for much of 2007 as the national polling frontrunner based on his actual accomplishments in office implies a more nuanced view of the movement that has now swung, at least for the moment, behind a Ph.D. historian.

The point of my essay was not to denounce anyone, but to explain the history and depth of the current popular distrust on the Right of leaders who seem unwilling to lead. The battle to restrain runaway government spending is so much smoke and mirrors unless the people who profess to support it in word are dedicated to it in deed. No wealth of position papers, endorsements and Power Point presentations can demonstrate that. Voters and activists who have figured this out are rightly skeptical of those who don’t seem to “get it”. And they are more than willing to embrace flawed champions – even such a creature of the Beltway as Newt Gingrich – if they demonstrate the willingness to actually do something to stop the runaway train of federal spending. Every time some Beltway figure calls Newt or some Tea Party candidate crazy, voters think again, “he might actually be crazy enough to upset some applecarts to get things done.”

The world of the Right is not divided into pure heroes and villains on this issue, and more than a few people and institutions with as many or more accomplishments in the movement as Newt Gingrich have fallen out of favor (as Newt himself did more than a decade ago), for growing too comfortable with an overgrown Washington – they’ve lived long enough to see themselves become the villain, and the voters have moved on.

Because it’s not about heroes and villains. This is democratic self-government, not theater. It’s about results.

COMMENTS

  • DerKrieger

    “The ideas are already there; what is lacking is the necessary corps of people with the will to fight for them”

    Exactly what is so darn frustrating about the GOP establishment.

    You nailed it. We are desperate for a fighter, for someone who will stand up for conservative principles, and for someone who is willing to go toe to toe with those lying, dirty fighting, contemptible Democrats.

    We’re sick and tired of the GOP always playing by the Marquis of Queensbury rules while the Democrats act like Vandals.

    Our ideas are right if only someone would fight for them.

    • jimcyr

      It was unlikely that I would ever support Newt. But then I slowly realized that he’s the only true FIGHTER left. And I want someone who will attack, attack, attack, attack and attack some more. This quality has brought me around to Newt.
      That, and David Brooks hating him so much………LOL

      • funwithknives

        Precisely this sort of {above] essay. We’ve had the same old way of doin’ stuff for far too long and what we all see, is the result
        “When you always do, what you always did , you’ll always get, what you always got. ” {They’re called ‘Truisms’ for a reason}

        What’s it gonna take, guys and girls? There are no more tomorrows ,and “what coulda’ beens”. There is here and now, with you and me, as accomplices.

        Yours in Freedom and Liberty. FWK

      • bethrorie

        The more the establishment hates Newt. The more I know I support him. Everybody who tells me how much he’s hated reminds me of what Jesus said about hate in John 15:18 and Matthew 10:22.

        See for yourself: http://bible.cc/john/15-18.htm.

  • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

    n/t

    • red_oakster

      I think this article goes a long way towards explaining why Newt’s willingness to fight (at least rhetorically) is resonating with the GOP electorate.

      My quibble is that Red State could do better in strategically targeting Republican incumbents who stand to the left of their districts or states. The challenge to Lugar is great, but Corker has gone unmentioned, to say nothing of representatives like LaTourette of Ohio. While Red State has done an excellent job pushing conservative candidates for open seats or as opponents to Democratic incumbents, RS could do more in taking on Republicans whose defeat would move the center of gravity in a conservative direction.

  • benko

    Newt can articulate conservatism and is a fighter. Romney can’t even fight to defend things about himself which are totally appropriate defending his wealth.

    I think someone refered to Daniels as something less than exciting. Doesn’t matter. He is clearly a “normal” human being** vs Romney who has a disconect that e.g. Gore and Kerry had.

    **not advocating him (since I know nothing about him), just using him as a reference human presence.

    • http://www.baseballcrank.com Dan McLaughlin

      I like Daniels as a GOV. I soured on him some time ago as a POTUS candidate precisely because he didn’t seem like he actually wanted to run, which of course he didn’t. He might have ended up like Huntsman, given his tin ear for the grassroots. But he’s definitely a solid leader. He’d have been an interesting candidate if he’d run and meant it.

      • Bill S

        was exactly the comparison I was going to make. He didn’t have to poke conservatives with a pointy stick early on, but he did – and it turned off a significant % of those who could have carried him much farther along in the campaign. Likewise, if Daniels had kept his pie-hole shut about “truces”, he could have had a ton of support. His statements were 100% unnecessary. It’s not like the entire field was going to turn into a gang of Santorums. There was no indication at that point (nor is there now) that social conservatism was going to drown out the other issues.

        “Tin ear for the grassroots” is a great way of phrasing it – or perhaps just “out of touch with national political reality”

        • ATGinCT

          My son and I were talking politics the other night and the Daniels truce issue came up and that so many people here at RS vented on him over a pragmatic point he (Daniels) was making at the time.

          He never said social issues didn’t matter, all he said was that the economic situation was so dire, that it made no sense to wage war over the social side of things until we are back from the cliff.

          In no way shape or form was, nor am I, a Daniels supporter, but to me for this to have so provoked so many, so much, makes me shake my head. (Mind you that the physical act of shaking my head, for medical reasons, is sort of the equivalent of being hit with a hammer repeatedly about the head and shoulders. Hence my reference to hitting a sore spot could be taken quite literally.)

          I personally have no doubt that Mike Huckabee and his supporters gave us John McCain. John McCain gave us Obama. Thus, in my reasoning, Huckabee gave us Obama.

          Never mind that in the end a fair percentage of the good folks to whom religion is such a big issue, voted for the most pro abortion presidential candidate in history, who has then gone on to do more to assault religious freedom than any president in history.

          The folks who could never ever bring themselves to support a Rudy Giulian, could in the end, vote Obama? Explain that one to me.

          I’m sure it all sounds sort of convoluted but it makes perfect sense to me.

          *Please note that I’m not inferring you were a Huckabee supporter, nor that you voted Obama.

          • In The Hook

            And he was absolutely right. Playing up social issues is going to get us nowhere in an election where people are worried about finding work and making ends meet.

            I prefer looking at his actions rather than his words to see where he stands given that he is usually a man of few words. He de-funded Planned Parenthood in Indiana and his executive team is fighting a lawsuit challenging that law. That’s darn good for me.

            What isn’t good is his being whipped into not running by a wife that ran from his family, shacked up with another guy and then came back to him. That’s actually a much bigger problem to me than his time at OMB or musing about a modest and temporary net tax increase to help fix his state’s budget.

          • JSobieski

            and look where that ended up.

            I am 100% behind a draft Daniels movement.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            What makes you think he’d get anyone else’s?

          • ffc99

            you know damn well why his wife didn’t want him to run. It had nothing to do with him and everything to do with an embarrassing mistake she made.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            That’s what everyone wants to do with every single Republican, running or not. We’ll just pretend they’re all perfect (well, the one we’re supporting anyway), and all the others are unelectable for one reason or another (or many).

            There’s a reason they call this the silly season.

          • ffc99

            have been an issue, just responding to your silly comment. I expect better from you, NT.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            I’m sick of the grass is greener comments. I’m sure we’ll continue to hear them long after we have a candidate, and even after the election. Move on.

          • ffc99

            I would have expected you to make a comment about how Mitch isn’t running, so we shouldn’t me talking about him, at all but the comment you made went beyond that. It was insulting of a good man and a good Republican. (and as I said, I think you are one of them few good posters on here so I expected better).

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            We have who we have. It’s time to pick one and move on. Some people just can’t seem to do that.

          • ffc99

            (and one I agree with )as I sit in the Delta JFK lounge arriving from Europe… I apologize if my previous posts were a bit rude. As I said before, NT, you’re one of the good guys here.

          • JSobieski

            What if her vote changes tomorrow?

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            Doesn’t matter anyway, he’s not running, and a brokered convention isn’t happening.

          • acat

            I trust you see that it wouldn’t matter much in the general election.

            Given the Dem track record on presidential marital harmony and all…

            Mew

          • In The Hook

            I meant that it made me incredibly uncomfortable. But people’s lives are weird and it’s not like he did anything wrong.

            But to NightTwister’s point, yeah I mean if he can’t convince a wife that badly wronged him that he should do this, why could he convince our base or the general voting public that he should be president? We had the conventional conservatives that weren’t Romney and we chucked them to the weeds. Had Pawlenty hung tough and focused on fundraising, I guarantee everyone would be picking him as the compromise right now. But alternate histories are pointless, even the ones Newt writes about the civil war. Oh snap! Had to get that in there.

          • ATGinCT

            are worth looking at IMO in as much as they provide the context to a political career.

            I saw nothing that disqualified his running and think he would have added much to the debates. Look at how much air time and damage Bachmann was able to do as an example of that.

            I can’t think that every day T Paw looks in the mirror and curses himself for dropping out before the cycle really even started.

      • aesthete

        What appealed to me (and still does) is that he was either as far right as, or further right than, the other candidates on spending (Johnson and Paul excluded of course), and on the social issues that matter (abortion, holding the line vis a vis gay marriage) without coming off as being psychotic, cruel, unrealistic, or stupid. (And yes, that is one of the main imaging problems with conservatives, which they seem to play into for reasons unknown to me.) Better, he had a very strong and clearly-defined sense of priorities that made sense.

        Daniels was treated worse by much of the conservative movement for a much more innocuous statement, and much less of a misstep, than the ones Perry made on a regular basis. For that matter, Perry and Johnson, two other governors with great records and compelling candidacies, were discarded for similarly trivial reasons. Perhaps if more focus was put on record and substance over rhetoric, we wouldn’t have to pick Newt Gingrich out of the poor lineup left for us to choose from.

        • Risky

          It seems to me like it’s very easy for someone to say the wrong thing and get beaten up without people taking too much care as to what they meant. Or even whether they had a point. As I see it Daniels was more interested in good policy that smart politics. Now there are plenty here can all say that you could have told him so, but they have to ask if they think it’s more important to find a candidate that tells the base what it wants to here than one that has policy to tackle the issues that the same base says matter most.

          As I see it (from several thousand miles east of the you folks) even aside of the ‘truce’ reaction, you have a situation where Daniels says something like “We should fix the tax system so it makes sense and taxing spending rather than work by having a VAT might be a good idea…” but gets beaten up on the grounds that it’s a “new tax” (old taxes being like, um, better ?!?) and we all assume it will go up as the democrats will be in power as we are going to screw up (I’m guessing some of the logic).

          Now say you’re a conservative governor with a think-tank background and you find that the base want’s you up against the wall for merely talking rational economics about tax policy and proposing plans that you thought would only be attacked from the left, you might well think that there’s not point running for 2012 only to find you’re targeted with “take-down” pieces for saying something that crosses a pretty dumb red-line.

          Newt will tell you what you want to hear, even if it contradicts his record. Mitt will do the same less effectively, but with more of an eye for the autumn context. There could have been other options but it really seems like a lot of vocal folks in the conservative movement we’re more concerned wit how much a candidate was willing to obviously look for their approval that how solid their policies were on conservative principals.

          • earlgrey

            I really enjoyed this post. Do you write diaries here? I’d be interested in reading more of your writing.

          • JSobieski

            Not sure. I was really hoping that we would have an explainer-in-chief as a candidate. Paul Ryan, Mitch Daniels, etc.

            Newt could do it and he is capable of it—but Newt is very much a politician first, second, and third—-he is only an ideas guy fourth or fifth in the list.

            I do think Mitch Daniels would have been the ideal candidate for 2012 referrendum on Obamacare—which is what this campaign should be about.

            The majority of the country opposes Obamacare, but none of our actual candidates talk about it much, and that discussion is shallow. Just as the tax and entitlement reform discussion is shallow.

            It does not bode well for the future.

          • aesthete

            Most focused on those issues, and second-best record of all prospective candidates in terms of handling budgets and reforming entrenched systems.

            He was good on abortion (an issue that I care about), judges (some misses, but mostly hits), and gay marriage (an issue that I could care less about).

            He was passable on taxes (raised some, cut some, open to the prospect of them for comprehensive deficit reduction) and foreign policy (didn’t hear him say anything insightful or stupid).

            He was terrible on drugs (aren’t they all?) and some ancillary issues.

            Overall, we could have survived and thrived in a Daniels Presidency.

          • JSobieski

            he “comes across weird”.

          • aesthete

            or another of my posts? Not that I disagree with you; just seemed out of place as a reply to a post about Daniels where I don’t mention Johnson.

          • Risky

            I don’t have any idea how this stuff plays on the ground over there but you can have a situation in politics where there’s a big issue that gets the base excited and the country at as a whole agrees with the party line, but gets tired of hearing about it.

            In the UK for the Conservatives that issue was Europe where the activisits and the elected MPS were as a whole very worked up about the EU and when polled the electorate generally took the same time, but at the same time, said they were bored with hearing conservatives “going on about Europe” and when the party campaigned with Europe as a big issue in 2001 and 2005 got nowhere much against Blair.

            Is there a danger that this could play the same way in the US? What I mean is that while a lot of swing voters might agree that they don’t think Obamacare was a good idea, it may be just one issue when they’re more concerned about the economy, jobs and the budget mess. Now you think you have a great issue where there is clear water between the parties, but if people get bored hearing about it, you might not get their votes, every when they agree with you.

            Again, I’m not saying this is how it is, but it is something to bear in mind.

    • bluerose75

      If one has to look at whom Mitt Romney is using as advisers and consultants one can easily gauge what a Cabinet would look like??

      In Florida he is using Charlie Crist as an adviser!! Remember him Marco Rubio? He is the one that tried to get you out of the race for the GOP and then when he lost switched sides praised Obama and tried to get the DEM candidate Kendrick Meek to drop so he could beat Marco. Crist caused a national stir and mess in Florida. This is the same guy that backstabbed Romney in 2008 when he promised he would not endorse anyone then at the last minute endorsed McCain and then McCain carried Florida in the GOP primary which effectively eliminated Romney’s chances??

      Ring a bell Mitt? Now you turn around and hire this guy? Now I am sorry Mitt supporters but if that is not a flip flop I have no idea of what one is? Crist is despised by so many here! And for Marco Rubio to come out and say Mitt is conservative with this adviser on his staff is pathetic!

      Then with Coleman, the EX-US Senator from Minn, telling us the Obamacare cannot be repealed only fixed!!! WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now you see in the rumblings of Romneycare where more and more information is coming out how people close to Romney helped shape Obamacare! Is it no accident he will not DENOUNCE Romneycare on the campaign trail??? Now Coleman tells the GOP that repeal cannot happen!

      Romney supporters I hope you realize that this is a preview of what Mitt would govern like. How can any of you tell me he is conservative when he keeps bringing people to his team that are anything but conservative!

      We all know how here we all fought against Obamacare which is nothing more then a Big Government power grab over our health care!! Now you see Romney laying the ground work to distance himself from his promise to repeal Obamacare to fixing Obamacare!

      Wake up! He will bring anyone to help him. I could have dealt with him as a candidate before but now with Crist and Coleman I would have such a difficult time!

  • gbenton

    analysis.

    The base’s willingness to lock horns, I believe, is fueled by an outside the beltway realization that this battle is perhaps the last stand against the Leviathan.

    All previous GOP presidents and failed candidates, save Reagan, have to one degree or another engaged in ‘bipartisanship’ with the leftists.

    With the passage of Obamacare and prancing Pelosi’s gavel dance and the absolute ruthlessness with which the Democrats passed that vile socialist trojan horse, the Tea Party/base saw that ‘get along go along’ leads to one place: doom.

    the Democrats are not merely the opposition, they are the enemy. This ‘fundamental transformation’ is the real deal and not just the usual tug of war between the Donkey’s and the Elephants.

    What the GOP needs to learn from Pelosi’s taking of scalps is the UNITY she commanded within her ranks. They did whatever it took to get the job done.

    If we don’t offer a unified conservative front, we will NOT repeal Obamacare, or restore America.

    RINO’s are of no use in this effort because, like Scott Brown, the Twisted Sisters of Main, etc., they break unity and vote WITH the Democrats, and Romney is plainly from this camp within the GOP.

    What ROTS is that while Newt can articulate the opposition brilliantly, he is not OF the outsiders and prone to big government fantasies.

    So… how do conservatives, the base, the Tea Party, whatever you want to call it, UNIFY and do the near impossible – shrink the Leviathan?

    Either the RINO’s join us, or…???

    they learn the lesson the hard way and lose again, a la Dole, McCain, but that could cost us the Republic.

    Maybe that is what it will take to shock and awe the GOP handmaids of statism into realizing that the base is right and they’re useless fops.

    • carolina

      “shock and awe” for the GOP political elite “handmaids of statism” is required. The Leviathan continues to grow – and I am sick of it! I will not vote for Romney in the primary. I would vote for Ron Paul before I would vote for Romney.
      I pray we find the best person for our country.
      Intrade has for FL: Romney 65 and Newt 35. I wonder who has been “buying” this bet? I sure hope they ‘lose their shirt’!

    • carolina

      “shock and awe” for the GOP political elite “handmaids of statism” is required. The Leviathan continues to grow – and I am sick of it! I will not vote for Romney in the primary. I would vote for Ron Paul before I would vote for Romney.
      I pray we find the best person for our country.
      Intrade has for FL: Romney 65 and Newt 35. I wonder who has been “buying” this bet? I sure hope they ‘lose their shirt’!

    • paladin1

      I do believe this is our last chance election. “Leviathan” as you term it, is here and is implacable.

  • aesthete

    when they talk up their consistent support for entitlement reform, “thoughtful conservatism”, etc, and go on to endorse the only guy remaining in the running who does not have a plan for entitlement reform (and lambastes those of his competitors), and who has offered no compelling defense or explanation of conservatism beyond what is needed for him to advance himself politically.

    Then again, one shouldn’t expect the magazine which preoccupied itself with defending Bush on so much to understand why a candidate who desires another war in the Middle East (and little else of consequence) would not be acceptable to the base.

    • runner12

      NT

  • renl57

    …with entitlement reform is simple:

    There’s no broad public support for any radical revision of the SS and Medicare social safety net.

    Every time such a thing has been proposed, polls have shown the American people are solidly against it. That is the reason why the GOP leadership backed away from the Ryan plan. It wasn’t cowardice. It was the fact that it, like its predecessors, was a political non-starter.

    Here’s a Gallup poll from last year, when the Ryan plan was hot in the news:

    Which of the following programs would you support cutting:

    Anti-poverty programs: 55% opposed
    Medicare: 61% opposed
    Social Security: 64% opposed
    Education: 67% opposed

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/145790/americans-oppose-cuts-education-social-security-defense.aspx

    Being a conservative is not the same thing as being a reactionary. Dreaming of the day when Social Security is abolished along with the rest of the welfare state, and we all go back to living like in the early 20th century–is just that, an impossible dream.

    If you want the Ryan plan (or something even more radical), then your fight is not with the GOP establishment in the Congress. It’s with the American electorate. Because they’re not with you on this right now.

    • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

      When we can no longer sell bonds, and payroll taxes shoot up to 25-29% ?

      • texashistorian

        Agreed Kyle, or when inflation gets into 1970s numbers. Opinions will change. Right now enough people aren’t feeling enough hurt from the government’s fiscal misbehavior.

    • aesthete

      as part of a comprehensive package to reduce government spending.

      There is great potential for more people to change their views as the profundity of our crisis and cuts in other places make clear that it’s being done as a necessity.

      • cleftrock77

        As a retiree and a person on SS, I can see that this is a hard subject. I would be willing to reduce my monthly allotment if other things were more affordable. As the price of food continues to rise (can it do otherwise?), the amount I am receiving in retirement benefits is not keeping pace. If all costs to consumers can be reduced, those of us on SS might be more amenable to reduced benefits. Oh, and I didn’t even mention the cost of medicine. I am not currently taking any prescriptions, but my husband is on at least six. It really costs!

      • scmom

        that a large section of the country is brainwashed daily by the LameStream Media to believe that cuts in entitlements are not necessary, and that inflation does not exist… it’s no wonder the polls show that there is no support for entitlement reform. Once again it goes back to the GOP not being capable of articulating a common sense set of proplsals, and the Establishment of the GOP not really wanting to reduce the size of government.

    • rdcjr

      everything is a non-starter. And that is exactly what we have both leading and serving in the Republican party. Name one significant win since the sweep of 2010.

    • skorrent1

      Typical Gallup polling! The answer is in the question. “Do you want to dump Grandma off the cliff or fire your favorite teacher?”

      How about asking: “Which retirement plan would you prefer:
      A) Fixed government retirement age with retirement amounts determined by government and ending at your death.
      or,
      B) Plan designed to let you retire whenever you want with payments you have decided on and the balance preserved for your heirs.”

      Do you think the results of the poll might be different?

      • scmom

        However, with the state of eucation in this country today, many might not really understand how either one is accomplished…..
        just saying….

        • YnotNOW

          that the “Representatives” cannot get too far in front of the public opinion, especially on such an emotional topic as SS and Medicare. Leadership and framing the question can only go so far, if the public is too apathetic to understand and falls for the Left’s demogogery.

  • snowshooze

    If you look at the Federal Employees as say, a voting block…
    Consider they all have one thing in common: A paycheck.
    And to this extent, they are birds of a feather.
    So, all this talk of cutting govrnment is well and fine. They are all hip to the game.
    Actually cutting government though.. well… that is entirely different.
    We are talking about THEIR jobs. And at that moment…. they unite. Republican, Libertarian, Democrat and Communist alike…

    Not MY job. Hey, MY kid needs a job…let’s start him on the phones…Call Bob at DNR and see what he can do… or Sally at DFYS.. maybe she has something over there.

    Government employment is a way of life. And there is a substantial percentage of the population employed by this government that is a rival to the parties themselves.
    It isn’t a third party, it is a stealth, or shadow party, insideous and subversive by nature…
    So… how are we to combat that?
    The government employees, as a voting block…

  • malvernpa

    With regard to spending and the waste that comes along with the spending that takes place in Washington the democrats CANNOT be rehabilitated and the question remains, CAN the Republicans BE rehabilitated.

    What is taking place in this primary is nothing less than an intervention on the Republican Party. The Tea Party came about because of the spending in the Bush administration as well as the spending in the Obama administration along with Obama’s socialist designs. Talk about dense, I do not think that the message has yet to sink in at the Republican National Committee and God love her Coulter does not hear our frustration either. Giving another Dole/Romney the primary nod is just groundhog day. The RNC thinks that we in the Tea Party will just become fatigued, drop our pitch forks and go back to the serfdom that has become America. The serfdom where we work our butts off, do the right thing, pay our taxes so that these people can just take from us in taxes OR if they cannot get the money in the form of taxes now just borrow it creating the requirement that they take the taxes later from us or from our children or grand children. WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING and as self governing people we are saying NO MORE. The Republican party will become fiscally responsible or it will cease to exist as a potent political entity, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW. Bait and switch is over. NO more limp candidates, that is the ONLY reason Newt is scoring points. We do not want him either but we have to play the hand given to us. No more Doles, McCains not because of who they are personally but because the left and the Democrats are wrong and spending us into disaster. There are not enough rich people in the world to pay the bill Washington is ringing up much less rich people in America to tax. Even if they did tax the hell out of the rich we will be back having this discussion in a few years while we out here who actually work dip our hard bread into our gruel trying to survive while those in Washington live like kings. We are who make this great nation function and we will fix it, Washington can scream foul as loud as they want to, the Republican Party will change and become the conservative party they claim to be because it is the right thing to do.

  • paco12348

    the biggest thing wrong with Washington ….career politicians! New blood is necessary and term limits are the answer. Old heads carry decades long grudges and become more steeped in their ideology. They are more open to corruption. What they often forget is their vote on any bill effects every human in the US, not just the ones in their State. They lose sight of the Nation’s needs and work only for Power and Party while the Nation suffers and declines.
    The reason I’ll vote for Newt is he’s been there, done that and has a deeper understanding of the foibles in Washington. He’s wiser now than before. He wants a better US for his grandchildren and knows what needs to be done for this Nation’s recovery.
    Yes, the old Republican heads do not want him and can either jump ship or remain and lick their wounds. The Dems don’t want him because they know their Liberal Alinsky style of governing will be flushed down the sewer with Obama where it belongs.
    There will truly be a new day in Washington with Newt, and the Republican Leaders will have to adjust their thinking.
    This is not just a referendum on Obama, it is on all the Career Politicians with their failure to be true to their Oath to follow the Constitution and their failure to tend to the Nation’s needs.

  • khhunt

    ” why now, at this time, conservatives are willing to lock horns with the organs of Republican and conservative leadership”

    Tea Party–middle America, serfs, peasants, dummies–standing ground. The sagacious, omnipotent “Leadership” provoked the peasants by propping up McCain. Locking horns began in 2010 with a message loud and clear. We won’t be fooled again.

    “Leadership” complicit in MSM pandering. That’s obvious now too.

    We won’t be fooled again.

  • carolynr

    or left) is counting on this. Forgive any misspellings here because I am down and no I am not clinically depressed. Perhaps I can articulate just how many Americans feel.

    Most of my friends and neighbors are “true” Conservatives. They are people of faith, they are either retired or still working. They, for all practical purposes do the next right thing. However, they have become more knowledgeable as time often has a habit of teaching, that most of the rhetoric out of DC and the candidates is nothing but manure.

    We try to rally ourselves by sending e-mails of patriotism and, thanks to the Internet and good detective work, we find out some real truths to the bills that have ALREADY PASSED. We promise to forge forward only to see yet one more politician, one more bill that takes away our freedoms and our fortunes, albeit small. We want to save our country and we are willing to sacrifice. However, once that is gleaned through the ever spying eyes of “Google” , it seems that the politicians, pundits and candidates are one step ahead of us, taking more than we were willing to offer. We can’t seem to understand that hard work and aspiration is not rewarded and sloth and greed are. We have even questioned the very tenets of our religious upbringing because values are no longer an asset but a liability.

    This morning on the Drudge Report, Speaker Gingrich had to take back his “lies” that he proffered in the last CNN Debate. Oh my, is he lying, I mused or is the the Media? Is it Left Wing or Right Wing. Ann Coulter, the supposed Conservative, piles on and I wonder who is telling the truth. It’s as if I am dying a slow ideological death…does this ideology count ? Does anyone tell the truth anymore?

    The tea party movement appears to be in disarray as to who or what they support. Obama is now feigning to move to the right with energy independence…and the press never calls him on the XL Pipeline…and for that matter, neither does the Congress.

    Inflation has kicked in “big time” but the current administration takes the factors used to determine it, out of the formula.

    Governor Perry’s favorables have gone down in Texas. Did he not do enough for you? You have jobs, you still have your integrity and my fellow countrymen threw him under the bus for doing what this government has failed to do since Reagan.

    It’s as if I am floating on a raft in the middle of the sea, watching each rescue ship go by and wondering if they are really the “rescue”. Yes, the tactics of Saul Alinsky are starting to wear me down. Obama is winning his war through the erosion of passion for a country without a moral compass. His Republican counterparts appear, through their actions and votes, to be part of the scheme to take from us everything that there is.

    Both Obama and the Republicans have stolen the soul of America and the last ship that passed me by while I was adrift, was Governor Perry and I so hoped he could fight the fight and rescue us but the Media, the uninformed, and the Washington Insiders. However, they, the aforementioned, could not let that happen. So, here I sit, like many other Americans, a helpless victim of greed and power.

    What can one person do if we don’t have a unified purpose, a leader that cares about America first. I’m coming to the conclusion that the answer is NOTHING.

    • remalimo

      I am a realist, we do have a vote and it is soon. As a Texan we have a vote on a new Senator for/from Texas and I have had some (I beleve) emphasis on what has emphasied conservatism in what he is today. This candidate is Ted Cruze (another Rubio). The program that Ted has participated was a program “Ten pillars of Economic Freedom” that was supported by many business people in Houston in the “80′s and 90′s. It takes time but the program had a retired man from United Gas that worked with high schoolers to learm the program and spoke before many of the orgainzations and recieved $ $ toward a scholar chip to be paid when the participant entered college. Ted Cruz was a product of this org. and was also a member of the constitution group as well. It shows that if we business people take the time and money to pay attention to education of the young and contribute money to their education we can win this battle. Good Luck in your battle to take Texas TED!

      As for now most of us think most people under stand what we mean when we espouse something. Remember KISS! Remember when your teacher in seventh grade stated “You multiiply by dividing” there were a lot of students has a problem understanding this fact. So don’t give up just KISS and remember that most people do not understand what you understand

      • gekster

        that cost you.
        You started off with that, and then did not elaborate.
        So what was it and just how did it cost you.

        • avagreen

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      • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

        Good man, deserves our support.

  • ATGinCT

    you have provided a well conceived and written contribution to the site.

    Would that there were more here like you, the site would garner much more respect and popularity.

  • Archer

    “Roy calls Redstate a ?bastion of populist conservatism,? which is true even if I?m not exactly anybody?s idea of a populist. He says that Ben Domenech is ?one of the best conservative writers on health care issues,? which is certainly true, and faults the rest of us at RedState for not developing ?serious proposals for entitlement reform,? in contrast to NR?s columnists ? which should be unsurprising to Roy if he thinks about the fact that most of us have day jobs, to say nothing of the fact that RedState?s principal role is activism rather than think-tankery.”

    I independently came up with Newt Gingrich’s plan for Social Security reform before I was aware that Chile had already adopted it and that other conservative activists supported the concept. I could post it up here if that’d make Roy happy. I do think that Gingrich is missing a step by failing to point out that adopting his plan would guarantee completely eliminating the employer’s contribution to the Social Security tax within a generation. Or flip it over so that the employer’s contribution goes to the employee’s account then completely eliminate the employee’s contribution instead. Works either way.

    I also have a reform in mind for presidential election campaigns to bring in more activism by individuals. And a comprehensive plan for plugging the holes in our system of elections which keep open the ways in which we already know for sure that candidates actually use to try to defraud their way to victory.

    But in my experience, most conservative activists aren’t particularly interested in reading such things or offering help or constructive criticism. And most party leaders don’t lurk in conservative forums looking for new ideas to promote.

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