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Can Republicans Win In 2012 Without Leadership?

Leading From Behind

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Fred Barnes, who is nothing if not plugged in to the thinking of leading Beltway Republicans, looks at how the Congressional GOP plans to work with the presidential nominee:

Republicans would like to revive party unity and repeat the Reagan-Kemp success story. House speaker John Boehner and Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell are planning to confer with the Republican nominee, once one emerges. Their aim: agreement on a joint agenda.

McConnell has specific ideas about what the presidential candidate and Republicans in both houses of Congress should promote. “Obamacare should be the number one issue in the campaign,” he says. “I think it’s the gift that keeps on giving.”

Next are the deficit and national debt. These, in turn, would make entitlement and tax reform important issues against Obama. “We’re not interested in small ball,” McConnell says.

And there’s another Republican initiative on Capitol Hill aimed at thwarting President Obama and Democrats. Republicans plan to keep up a steady stream of bills and proposals, mostly coming from the House, to foil the charge that Obama’s policies have been undercut by a “do-nothing Congress” – that is, a Republican Congress.

Even considering the fact that McConnell has to play coy due to the fact that there’s as yet no nominee, you will notice what is missing in this picture: the idea that the nominee himself, now most likely Mitt Romney, will have any ideas of his own to which Congressional Republicans will have to accommodate themselves. This is part of a broader pattern: outside of the party’s most moderate precincts – where Romney is seen as a bulwark against conservatives – Republicans who have resigned themselves to Romney have done so, more or less, on the theory that he can be brought around to do things the party’s various constituencies want him to do. This is the opposite of the thing we normally look for in a president: leadership in setting the agenda of the party and the country. As such, it represents an experiment, or at least a throwback to the late-19th century model of how the presidency operates. Can the GOP beat Barack Obama and run the country the next four years without presidential leadership?

If you’ve read many endorsements or apologias for supporting Romney, you’re familiar with the genre. Let’s start with the National Review’s always-incisive Ramesh Ponnuru, who endorsed Romney in December. If there were compelling arguments to be made for Romney’s ideas, Ramesh would make them. He waves a few times in the direction of Romney’s various current positions (Romney “now favors a market-oriented reform to Medicare”), but nearly all of his argument for Romney as acceptable to conservatives are based on the idea that the party would lead Romney, rather than the other way around:

If Mitt Romney becomes president, he will almost certainly be dealing with John Boehner as speaker of the House and Mitch McConnell as Senate majority leader. While they, too, have their conservative detractors, they are the most conservative congressional leaders Republicans have had in modern times, and they will exert a rightward influence on the Romney administration. If they send him legislation to repeal Obamacare, cut taxes, or reform entitlements, he will sign it where Obama would veto it. If at some other point in his presidency a liberal-run Congress sends him tax increases, he will veto them where Obama would sign. Compared with President Obama, a President Romney would do more to protect the defense budget.

A President Romney’s judicial nominees would be superior to President Obama’s simply because he would not be trying to stack the bench with liberal activists. But they are likely to far exceed that low bar. Each Republican president since the Nixon-Ford era has nominated a higher percentage of conservatives as justices to the Supreme Court than his predecessor. That’s mostly a testament to the growth and development of the conservative legal network. Romney is likely to look for nominees whom conservative lawyers like – Robert Bork is a top adviser – who are professionally accomplished, and who cannot be portrayed as extreme. If Republicans hold the Senate they will almost certainly be confirmed. If they do not, they will probably be confirmed.

Romney’s regulatory agencies will be relatively restrained. His appointees to the National Labor Relations Board will not punish Boeing for locating a plant in a right-to-work state. He will act, within the limits of his legal authority, to keep the Environmental Protection Agency from imposing expensive restrictions on carbon emissions. He will reinstate conscience protections for pro-life health-care workers.

It’s true that almost any Republican president, not just Romney, would do these things. But that’s the point.

Then there’s Ponnuru’s National Review colleague Jonah Goldberg. Jonah has long been my favorite NR writer, someone I respect and almost always agree with. He hasn’t really taken sides in this trainwreck of a primary season, but in early February he laid out what he thought was the best argument for Romney:

Even if Romney is a Potemkin conservative (a claim I think has merit but is also exaggerated), there is an instrumental case to be made for him: It is better to have a president who owes you than to have one who claims to own you.

A President Romney would be on a very short leash…If elected, Romney must follow through for conservatives and honor his vows to repeal Obamacare, implement Representative Paul Ryan’s agenda, and stay true to his pro-life commitments.

Moreover, Romney is not a man of vision. He is a man of duty and purpose. He was told to “fix” health care in ways Massachusetts would like. He was told to fix the 2002 Olympics. He was told to create Bain Capital. He did it all. The man does his assignments.

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How about RedState’s own Martin Knight, offering his own take on Goldberg’s column?

I don’t believe he’ll be a Conservative out of gratitude, i.e. because he’ll “owe” us – it will be because he’ll have no choice. Keeping the GOP’s conservative rank-and-file happy would not be just be a matter of political profit for a President Romney, it will be a matter of political survival.

…I believe Romney would be a strong and able President and he would be fiscally better than George W. Bush and most importantly stratospherically better than Barack Obama. I believe he will be pro-life and pro-gun in word and deed throughout his Presidency and that he would nominate conservative judges and push them through the Senate.

I believe all this because I believe that a President Mitt Romney would seek a second term in 2016. He’s too ambitious not to, and if there’s anything no one can doubt, it’s the breadth and depth of Mitt Romney’s ambition. And he certainly would not want to be a one-term President. Which is where we’ll own him, lock, stock and barrel.

…[U]nlike 2008 and 2012, in 2016 Conservatives are going to have lots and lots of … options.

And you’d best believe that a President Romney and his staff are going to be well aware of those options and what would happen if he fails to walk the line – and the need for him to do so would be even more acute given how little he’s trusted by Conservatives in the first place. No Republican White House would want a repeat of 1992 – and with so many viable alternatives, and a significantly more organized conservative base, it’s not so much that a President Romney would fear not being able to win the General Election in November 2016, it’s that he might just become the very first sitting President to experience the humiliation of failing to win his own Party’s nomination in the Primaries.

In point of fact, I think Martin’s argument overlooks two points: (1) Romney will have enormous tools at his disposal to raise money, change the primary rules, etc. to throttle off any primary challenge and (2) even if all this works, a re-elected Romney after 2016 would have no such constraints. But take the argument as it is; it is still primarily an argument that Romney will be led rather than lead.

Next up is Leon Wolf, another RedState Contributor I greatly respect and usually agree with. Leon’s point, written in early January:

Now, Mitt Romney has often been criticized (fairly and completely accurately, in my opinion) as a flip-flopper. I agree that this is less than a desirable trait and if I had my druthers I would prefer someone like Rick Perry who has been more or less consistently conservative for a relatively long time (an easier feat in Texas than Massachusetts, no doubt, but that is beside the point). However, the most salient point I can divine about this criticism, given the fact that Romney’s latest flops are all to the right, is that Romney is being criticized for accurately perceiving that he needs conservatives. Yes, I would agree that Romney would bear careful watching as President and constant egging on from Congress, but I would certainly prefer someone who panders to me for political reasons than someone who openly gives me the finger in order to pander to centrists and/or leftists, which is exactly what we have gotten in terms of Presidential nominees for the last 20 years.

Then we have former George W. Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson, writing back in October; Gerson is hardly a trusted movement conservative, but he’s an eloquent writer. What’s his “conservative case for Mitt Romney”?

So are Romney’s current views his most authentic ones? On some issues – say, health care policy – it is difficult for an outsider to tell.

…Even conservatives who buy none of these explanations may calculate that Romney is acceptable. Precisely because he has a history of ideological heresy, it would be difficult for him to abandon his current, more conservative iteration. He has committed himself on key conservative issues. Having flipped, he could not flop without risking a conservative revolt. As a result, conservatives would have considerable leverage over a Romney administration.

There is, however, a less-cynical conservative case for Romney. Opponents accuse him of political pragmatism – of which he is clearly guilty. But Romney might put his pragmatism to good use. His economic advisers are solidly conservative. Before the primary season is done, we are likely to see some serious entitlement and tax reform proposals. A leadership team of Romney, Speaker John Boehner and Majority Leader Mitch McConnell might be just what the moment requires: prudent adults who are conservative but not too far ahead of the public.

In other words, the best arguments for Romney as the leader of the party are arguments that Romney will not lead the party but follow it, subsume his own ideas and inclinations and cater to what the voters and his caucus on Capitol Hill seem to want. How does this work in practice? Let’s look at what supply-side analyst James Pethokoukis, one of the sharpest minds on the right-leaning economic punditry beat, wrote about Romney’s original 59-point economic plan:

[I]magine private-equity boss Romney back at Bain Capital sitting down to read his team’s 59-point turnaround plan for some troubled widget maker. And imagine if the first two action items started with the phrase “Maintain current ….”

Romney probably wouldn’t bother reading any further before tossing the report in the trash, calling a meeting, and cracking heads. Heck, if Private Equity Romney were called in to turn around Romney Campaign Inc., axing CEO Romney might be the first move on his to-do list – especially after looking at last night’s numbers from Colorado, Minnesota, and Missouri.

Pethokoukis included a number of suggestions for how Romney could overhaul his agenda, but he wrote much more glowingly about Romney’s revised plan. Here’s what Rush Limbaugh, who has been critical of Romney, took away from Pethokoukis and his fellow supply-sider Larry Kudlow enthusing about the improved plan:

[D]o you remember a piece by Daniel Henninger in the Wall Street Journal not long ago, I quoted from it repeatedly. Henninger’s point was that Romney is not naturally a conservative. He’s gonna have to be nudged. He’s going to have be shoved in that direction. And here we have a long campaign, and it looks like that’s happening. Jim Pethokoukis writes critically of Romney’s 59 point plan. The next day Romney calls or his office calls Kudlow and says, “Hey, big change coming on the economy. We got two new economic proposals, and it’s all supply-side.” So Henninger was right. He’s being nudged to the right. It’s all good, folks, it’s all good. The long campaign is just fine.

And maybe this is all good; maybe it’s time to throw out the book of the past 100 years. Maybe the second decade of the 21st century will be the time for a party that is run by legislative consensus and responsiveness to popular demand, rather than principled leadership. Maybe for once, public servants will do nothing but serve us what we ask them for. Stranger things have happened. But it will be a grand new experiment, running a presidential campaign and maybe a presidency without the candidate’s own opinions entering anywhere into the picture. It remains to be seen if the experiment will succeed.

COMMENTS

  • tngal

    Well, it just screams “caption this”! The article’s great and I don’t disagree with anything in there. Except I would add, they should have no problem working with the next president even if he does have his own ideas. Heaven knows they’re practically working hand in hand with the one we have now.

    (they capitulate on everything)

    • demsaresatanic

      nt

      • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

        “Uncle” to President Gingrich, it matters not which one breaks first.

    • kestrel

      tell us coordinate our ties? It feels like he’s stabbing us in the back.”

    • Stinger808

      “How did we ever get this far?”

      • angryguy77

        If we lose the house and Senate while Mittens is Pres?
        Who will be leading him then?

        This is why you don’t vote for a guy like Mitt.

        • Juggernaut

          will condem every mistake or failure to uphold conservative standards that Romney makes. No doubt we’ll see sellout apologists demanding we give him a chance because some already remind me of the post 2008 election “give him a chance” rants.

  • vastrightwingconspiracy

    …great article and observations.

    I’m not sure if Romney will lead from the front or the rear. I do believe him to be a results oriented individual and will be guided by those goals.

    Whether those align with Congress or not remains to be seen. I think he will “lead” when he needs to and “follow” when he needs to. I don’t see him standing on the sidelines like our current “Observer in Chief.”

    I do really like Goldberg’s comment, “The man does his assignments.” This, in short, is why I support Romney. He’s a “doer.”

    We currently have a talker, not a doer in the WH. I’m hoping we get a doer in November.

    Nice job.

    • aesthete

      If you say, “the American people”, I’ll laugh.

      That’s basically my problem with Romney: I don’t know what he’ll do as President, but I know what he did as governor of MA and a replica of that on the national level — heck, a replica of it shifted a few degrees to the right — scares the hell out of me. Romney’s committed to so few concrete measures, that I think he’ll just be swept along the current and accept damaging “assignments” from people we never see, much less trust.

      • clintonformccain

        ..is a second term for Barack Hussein Obama.

        • citizenoftheworld

          You are absolutely right and O will do us a favor nominating O’Romney as his running mate.

      • vastrightwingconspiracy

        …is the best medicine.

        The “assignment” is to shrink government, reduce the deficit/debt and cut taxes.

        As I’ve stated many times, I couldn’t care any less about “conservative” labels as they are a moving target (see Heritage Foundation support of Romneycare).

        As for “concrete measures,” I don’t think committing to foolish, pandering projects without first seeing what the view from the President’s chair is like is just stupid. Barry did that and he’s failed on so many levels. Newt’s moon bases, $2.50/gall/gas, etc., get people talking but ultimately, set him up to disappoint.

        Why people are so naive to believe any specific promises made by politicians anymore is beyond me.

        Strip all the rhetoric away and look at the actions/experience of the three main candidates. I like Romney but admit a legitimate argument can be made for Newt. Santorum doesn’t even belong.

  • AceInTX

    nt

    • http://www.baseballcrank.com Dan McLaughlin

      And that’s the positive argument.

      What we’re trying to do here, it seems, is replicate the team effort of 1994. The question is which candidate in the race can do the best job of playing Newt Gingrich. Apparently, that task falls to Romney.

      • AceInTX

        nt.

        • http://www.baseballcrank.com Dan McLaughlin

          I’m not ready to give up the protest, but I accept that we know how this movie ends.

          • jamesm

            If Romney doesn’t get 1144 on the first ballot he has a problem. The delegates are not bound to vote for him. Paulbots are several of Romney’s delegates and others are more conservative. Food fight

          • AceInTX

            if by that you mean…with Romney as the nominee….

            He hasn’t gotten to 1144….and that’s what I’ve got my eyes on…..because I truly believe….despite what all the commentators you quote say….that Romney is to Obama as Nixon was to Johnson…

            If Romney get’s the nomination, I know we’ll have Obamacare solidified in law just like Nixon solidified the NEA, the EPA and dozens of Great Society programs and agencies…and he’ll give us a couple Earl Warrens on the Supreme Court for us to nash our teeth over….

            Romney has no intention of repealing Obamacare….he’s saying that now because that’s what he needs to say to lock up the Republican nomination….but watch him pivot in the General….he’s already said he wants to keep what’s best about Obamacare….

            He’s poison for us….if he wins…..even if he wins the general….we’re going to see our worse nightmares brought to bear and codified by a Republican President….

            So, I’m praying for stop Romney primary season right up to the convention…at this point I’ll give and work for either Santorum, or Gingrich in whatever state they will do best in so they can capture as many Delegates as possible and prevent Romney from getting to 1144….I believe it can be done….MS, AL TX, there are gobbs of majority conservative states that have yet to vote….and some of them are winner take all….This isn’t over and I wish good conservatives would quit acting like it is.

          • edintexas

            NT

        • CarolT

          I agree Ace, it’s too soon to hand this nomination to Mitt. He can’t win unless he spends a fortune attacking his chief rival in each primary.
          Can Mitt win one without spending all that money on attack ads? I doubt he’ll attack Obama as much as he has his republican opponents. Obama will have a huge amount of money and I’m sure they created OWS to use to attack Mitt if he is the nominee.

          I am depressed. It’s probably going to be another vote against Obama rather than for our nominee. It means we do not fully support him.
          As for Mitt denying SS to higher income people, it’s wrong. If they paid into it they are entitled to it. Someone should introduce a bill where rich people that do not need it can waive payments, rather than stop SS payments.

          • patsy

            Why can’t we figure out how much SS has been paid out, & give higher income people the money back with a modest interest rate. It would not be stealing that way. Maybe the SS can be used for the lower income. Surely there would be less fuss if they got the so-called investment back with a modest interest paid.

  • sigmasix

    What good can come from ?taking one for the team? if both the Republican and Democrat candidates for president are progressives? Six of one, half-dozen of the other. If the GOP wants my vote, then the GOP has to EARN it.

    I?m thinking incrementally all right, but not just for the White house. I?m thinking incrementally for the PARTY. I?m thinking that by withholding my vote for Romney the party may finally begin to understand that a progressive republican nominee is a sure-fire loser with the conservative base, no matter how many times they have to lose before they finally get it. I?ll vote in the general election as follows:

    1) Gingrich
    2) Santorum
    3) Paul
    4) STAY HOME

    I bring this up because it is why I cannot stomach the notion of voting for Romney, and will not do it.

    Romney is the Establishment?s Consolidator. He is Nixon and the EPA, Affirmative Action, price controls, liberal judges, expansion of HEW, which became HHS and Education under Carter.

    The Establishment needs Romney. They need him to seal in the status quo now that the envelope has been pushed farther to the Left than ever. Romney is the designated ?GET USED TO IT? manager for the power elite.

    -He will not repeal Obamacare.
    -He will not hold the line on taxes ? within a year he will be calling to raise them ? sneaky at first, but eventually ?IT WILL JUST HAVE TO BE DONE?. Hello VAT!
    -He will cut little.
    -He WILL NOT buck Harry Reid ? who regardless of majority or minority leader status will control the Senate.
    -He will appoint liberal/left of center judges.
    -He WILL do what his masters tell him to do, consolidate the gains of the Left.

    THE PLEDGE:

    Willard Milton Romney is a Limousine Liberal Democrat masquerading as a Republican; therefore I WILL NOT vote for him EVER!

    • angryguy77

      My feelings exactly.

  • Scope

    concerning SS, Romney said that he would surely cut SS benefits to high income earners, and would actually increase SS benefits to the lower income earners. Isn’t that “income redistribution”? The fact that we would have to depend on a placeholder Republican president, that can be blown about by the winds of a future McConnell Boehner leadership is absolutely frightening. Then add to that the majority of the Republican incumbents in Congress that have endorsed Romney, and we have the makings of a future political disaster with a Romney presidency. The scariest part is that Romney went along with much of the Democrat Mass. legislature, and worked in their favor with Romneycare.

    • http://www.AmericanThinker.com Hammer2008

      Then he’d fit squarely in the middle of this “we know better than you” odd couple.

      Seriously, how does Mitch McConnell who lost the Senate get to become majority leader again. As for me, I’m going to push for a Speaker Bachmann (it’d be fun) and a majority leader DeMint.

      • garfieldjl

        She currently is in the House of Representatives, unless she wins a position in the Senate, she can’t be majority leader.

        • http://www.AmericanThinker.com Hammer2008

          Read that again, I wrote “Speaker Bachmann”

        • lapert

          It is the second leadership position under the Speaker of the House and is currently held by Eric Cantor.

        • AceInTX

          DOH!!

    • vastrightwingconspiracy

      …cost neutral, who cares?

  • Ned Reck

    nt

  • lineholder

    how will this “grand experiment” help our country? This IS John “What-are-they-going-to-do…vote-for-Obama” Boehner and Mitch “I-don’t-want-to-make-Harry-Reid-angry” McConnell we’re talking about, right? Same kind of mindset toward Conservatives that John “Hobbits” McCain has?

    Sounds like we’re getting played. Then again, it is an election year. McConnell and Boehner aren’t totally stupid. They know the energy and enthusiasm in this election is on the Conservative end of the spectrum. So why not suck up to Conservatives a bit, eh? It’s all for a good cause when it’s about politics, I guess.

    Dan, if we were talking about Senator Majority Leader DeMint and House Leader Ryan, it might be a different story. But we’re not.

    • lineholder

      then there’s evidence of it over at Rasmussen.

      http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_favorability_ratings

      Boehner is leading the way amongst Reid, McConnell and Pelosi with a 32% favorable and 50% unfavorable rating.

      The idea of having Boehner and McConnel “holding the reins” may very well be the death knell of the Republican Party.

  • AceInTX

    If Romney wins….it will be over the objections of conservatives…he will owe us NOTHING….in fact…I suspect when this is all said and done that there will be a strong urge to go for payback at the embarrassment Romney has suffered to date at our hands…

    What I read from all the examples you give Dan…is a bunch of well intentioned Conservatives trying to reassure that what they know to be true really isn’t true…and that is…that we will be able to “Control, Nudge, move ow otherwise influence a poseur who has never been one of us and will never be one of us…EVER!!

    To the extent we will be able to raise hell and get our way…there is no way we will be able to feed the fire that would be necessary to motivate a 4 or 8 year fight to drag Romney kicking and screaming in our direction….we’ll have to watch him like a hawk…and be ready to respond at a moment’s notice to stop one Harriett Myers…or amnesty for illegals style battle after another for year after year of a Romney Presidency….It’s not feasible to consider it…

    As for McConnell and Boehner keeping him on the “Right” or conservative track…Really?!?!?!?!

    REALLY?!?!?!?!?!

    • tngal

      “As for McConnell and Boehner keeping him on the ?Right? or conservative track?Really?!?!?!?!”

      Too true. Those two are Willows. Weeping Willows. They bend but never break. And will bend whichever way the wind blows.

    • AceInTX

      which is…Romney is a poseur, a fake and a phoney who flip flops on what he says…but always moves LEFT by his actions….

      I just wanted to restate my main point from above because I flubbed it.

      He’s not a conservative…he never has been…he never will be….rationalize, make excuses….and tie yourself up in intellectual knots all you want but the truth will out…

      • jamesm

        Poseur!

        That’s Romney. Conservatives should be able to recognize this easily one would think.

      • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

        at round two.

        • AceInTX

          I’ll take Santorum any day over Romney…at this point I’d vote for McCain over Romney….

          • acat

            (nothing further)

          • AceInTX

            until Romney crosses that threshold, I’ll fight to deny him every delegate I can…and every conservative out there should be doing the same.

            I think…if Romney goes to the convention without winning out right…the powers that be will make a show of supporting him through the first or second ballot…nut they’ll drop him after that…I don’t much care who they trot out after that as long as it’s not Romney…I won’t sell out for him…I’ll vote for him….and I’ll do it with a little less bile in my mouth than I had in 2008 when I voted for McCain…but don’t ask me to make a case for him….and I feel sorry for anyone who tries to make a case for him…Dan has shown with this whole piece how hard this is going to be for conservatives.

          • jamesm

            his support will drop. He needs to get to 1144 before the convention. I have been doing some research, he will be in trouble if he is short on the first balllot

          • acat

            which is why a number of Ron Paul supporters have tried to get themselves listed as Romney delegates.

            Mew

          • westcoastpatriette

            Then what? How does that work? What happens next after the first ballot? Is it just a free for all? How are the voters influenced then?

          • acat

            We haven’t done a true “decide at the convention” in a long, long time. Even the most recent example, 1968, Nixon and Rockefeller cut a deal before the convention… although barely… (see my comment below)

            The delegates are pretty unconstrained, they can vote for any Republican… they could reject everyone who ran and pick someone new, they could ask someone to un-suspend…

            My guess is Romney cuts a deal with someone before the convention.

            Mew

          • westcoastpatriette

            zzz

          • acat

            so the real question becomes which of the other three will be in the Rockefeller mode … i.e. will it be Gingrich, Paul, or Santorum who trades delegates for a role, and what will the role be?

            Will Ron Paul trade Romney a pre-convention win in exchange for Rand Paul as veep?

            Will Rick Santorum trade Romney a pre-convention win in exchange for Mitt’s pledge to bring back the sweater-vest?

            Will Newt trade Romney a pre-convention win for an In-n-Out “double double double” with monster fries and a chocolate shake?

            Mew

          • garfieldjl

            Newt was allowed to smack Romney upside the head everytime Mitt started going towards the left.

            NCIS Reference where Newt is Gibbs and Romney is Denozzo.

          • acat

            he doesn’t seem nearly as hands-on as Jethro. He’d detail someone to whack Willard as needed.

            Mew

          • lineholder

            becker or Tbone. Absolutely. They’d thrive on it.

          • http://www.AmericanThinker.com Hammer2008

            provided it allows him to continue to suck on the teet of taxpayer dollars giving “history lessons”…

          • demsaresatanic

            how cute, an old Romney line.

          • http://www.AmericanThinker.com Hammer2008

            Im dreading the interview where Mrs. Gingrich and a First Lady in waiting is asked during an interview what it was like maintaining a six-year affair with Newt and what kind of role model she hopes to be…

          • demsaresatanic

            very funny also. Great job.

          • edintexas

            Judging by spelling and grammar, either he’s an ESL graduate, or a Democrat (possibly reconstructed).

          • AceInTX

            .

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            In that he’s never been involved it any form of leadership and never stepped up to lead over a divisive issue if it meant getting across the squishy Republican leadership during the years he was in the Senate.

            I’m certainly no fan of Romney, but Santorum is easily the least qualified candidate we’ve seen since Mike Huckabee. I’d vote for McCain OR Ron Paul before Santorum.

          • AceInTX

            The subject is Romney…not Santorum….

            as for the rest of it…I have little doubt you’d vote for Obama over Santorum…so what’s your point in trying to convince me of anything?

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            But Santorum will do infinitely more damage down ticket than either Romney or Newt.

            I was a Perry supporter, but at this point I dislike Newt the least of the three. He’s actually got real conservative accomplishments on his record when it counted, when he was an elected official. Neither of the other two can say that.

            Romney is a high ego rich guy who thinks he’s “entitled” to the office. Santorum seems to be sure God called him to the office. Who knows about Newt, he’s probably just on a redemption power trip, but I’ll take that any day to the others.

            The only reason I would even think about attempting to change your mind Ace is because I respect you. Just like when you were a misguided Huckabee supporter four years ago. Santorum is cut from the same cloth. And unfortunately, the other choices – while far superior to either Huckabee or Santorum – suck just about as bad this time as last.

            Let’s see where we are after next week. Maybe it’ll be a brokered convention and my dead white cat will have a good shot. Or maybe even Perry or Daniels, but I doubt they’d want it at this point.

            Fred?

          • garfieldjl

            He saw what the people in Government were doing, and he entered the race cause he’s scared for the future of his grandchildren.

            I don’t think he seriously wanted to enter this, I think he had been hoping that Herman Cain or Rick Perry would prove that they could take it all the way. Herman Cain suffered from a left wing smear campaign, and Perry got buried by his own gaffes and media smears.

            Newt’s likely thinking that Santorum would get clobbered by Obama (in a straight up situation if money available to spend was even and we had an objective media, I think Santorum would clobber Obama). Newt also probably trusts Romney about as far as Newt can throw the Empire State Building.

          • AceInTX

            Not Newt, Not Santorum…but Romney

            Period!!!

          • AceInTX

            x

          • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

            and would prefer voting that ticket over Romney. Not sure who Franz is, but if you vouch for him, I’ll add him to my list ahead of Romney as well.

          • AceInTX

            nt…

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            Made my morning.

          • garfieldjl

            I supported McCain over Romney in 2008 because after doing my research I found that he was a left wing progressive that tried to be to the left of Ted Kennedy.

            I think people give Boehner too little credit, I think more of the blame should be placed on McConnell for not putting his foot down in the Senate.

            Another point to consider, the Democrats want to cause everything to get stalled so they and their media proxies can blame Republicans.

            Boehner’s option are extremely limitted right now because he’s not getting the support he needs.

            I think that if we take the Senate in 2012, McConnell should not be majority leader.

    • http://www.baseballcrank.com Dan McLaughlin

      Your point is?

      • AceInTX

        I won’t try to put a coat of paint on a turd…I’ll vote for Romney if he wins the nomination…but don’t hand me a paint brush and aske me to dress up the turd.

        This is what Romney promises….if he wins the nomination…which he hasn’t yet…he threatens to smash the credibility of any and all conservatives who try to shill for him…there’s nothing worse than a salesman who doesn’t believe in his product…and that’s what this whole piece illustrates…

        I’m not condemning you or Golberg or anyone for trying to polish the poop….aside from the fact that it’s a little early to start polishing the poop….I’m just pointing out….even those who are trying to put their heart into a Romney presidency are having trouble masking what they know to be true.

        • acat

          • jamesm

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        • http://www.baseballcrank.com Dan McLaughlin

          No question about that. I don’t deny it’s a turd.

          • acat

            Mew

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          • acat

            Mew

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            Seriously, what a mess this is! Conservatives are having a hard enough time reconciling themselves to the idea of voting for Romney as it is. But add on to it this idea that Boehner and McConnell will be acting as his “handlers”, and it’s enough to make any self-respecting Conservative want to run screaming down the road buck naked screaming “No, NO, NO!” at the top of their lungs.

            If it was DeMint and Ryan…I could at least take some confidence in that match-up. They may not have fought for everything we wanted them to in the way we hoped they would, but they have been willing to pick up the sword and fight.

          • AceInTX

          • acat

            Mew

            p.s. starting my tomato seeds next week…

          • AceInTX

            to serve as a metaphor of his stumbling campaign.

          • AceInTX

            I’m serious…I’ve spent some time in sales…and I’ve watched people try to sell something they don’t believe in…and it’s o bvious when they do it….that’s what I see in the string of quotes you put up there…every one of the commentators you put up there are people I respect….especially Goldberg….and you can see the way he’s struggling with his rationale as he is trying to squeeze his square peg into a round hole.

            Can’t we just quit with the inevitability crap and work to deny Romney 1144 on the first ballot?….once he’s got 1144 then you can paint the turd….but why now?

          • cbartlett

            what Hammer so accurately described above, a trio of “we know better than you” types. Chances of success in selling that label to the sheeple are not very high. Hence the chances of Obama’s class-warfare argument winning against Romney in November increase dramatically – they have been setting it up for months and are just waiting to pounce.

            While reading Dan’s list of quotes in this article from some writers I also have a lot of respect for, the recurring theme in all of them seems to be “Romney is so much better (or maybe less worse?) than Obama”. Well – duh. Most everyone on RedState and conservatives in general would argue ABO in this election. I’m convinced that the Three Stooges would most definitely slow the progressive train down from 70 miles and hour to 10, IF they can manage to overcome Obama, but I would sure prefer to see Newt makes moves towards turing the train around the other way. I think he is older, wiser, and more experienced in creating REAL change. He is the only one who has the historical perspective to see the whole picture and will fight for it because he knows he isn’t the GOP establishment “chosen one”. If he can win, it will be a “people’s choice”.

            PS – acat – LOVE the doctored up pictures – ALL of them! (People in my office are wondering why I’m laughing out loud…)

          • vastrightwingconspiracy

            …a reasonable person.

            Anyone who can’t see the good/bad in their own candidates, as well as the good/bad in other candidates are pretty useless.

            Seriously people? You can’t say anything positive about Romney? I can say a number of positives about Santorum, Gingrich and Paul. I even can find a couple of positive’s about the President.

            Self-deception about our own strengths/weaknesses only aids the opposition in these things.

          • AceInTX

            ….and doesn’t go to his so called inevitability….and I’ll follow up with a positive of my own

            I’ve made this challenge for months now and haven’t had a taker yet that I couldn’t destroy in seconds using Romney’s own arguments against himself.

            Dan makes a fair attempt at making a case using the quotes he pulled…but even in those quotes,,as I said…all I see is a bunch of conservative commenters making a good fait effort at being team players and trying to make a rational argument for Romney and ending up doing a very unconvincing job of it because it’s obvious they don’t believe what they are saying

        • garfieldjl

          He is likely to continue Obama’s policies, and we lose our credibility by supporting him.

          Do I think he would have Tolerated Fast & Furious? I hope not but really don’t know.

          In any case, I don’t think Romney can beat Obama, the only way he wins primaries is by spending ridiculous amounts of money tearing down his opponents.

          He will not have the money advantage in the fall, if you look at his body language you’d notice he doesn’t believe what he is telling us. How can anyone expect for Romney to beat Obama when he doesn’t believe in what he’s supposedly running his campaign on right now?

          I’m sorry but a Lawn Gnome is a better candidate than Romney.

          I think Santorum and Gingrich need to figure out who should be on top of the ticket, Personally I think Gingrich would be better in a head to head match with Obama than Santorum.

          If Romney wins the nomination it doesn’t matter who ends up winning in November, we’d still be on the course that Obama currently has us on.

          Gingrich and Santorum want to change courses, the difference between them is Gingrich actually has the solutions to fix things and the experience to impliment them, Santorum doesn’t.

          • clintonformccain

            And, if the history of flavors of the month is any guide, the tea party wing would probably support a lawn gnome for President.

          • garfieldjl

            Least we don’t have to worry about the Lawn Gnome pulling stunts like Solyndra.

          • AceInTX

            nt,

  • jeffperren

    ” Can the GOP beat Barack Obama and run the country the next four years without presidential leadership?”

    Let’s hope so because the modern Presidency has FAR too much power. The office is, by design, the leader of the Executive Branch, NOT the Prime Minister of a bicameral Parliament. The President should be a follower, not a Platonic Philosopher-King.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    At the Alabama GOP Presidential Forum tonight, Newt said in his speech that if is the nominee, he would ask everyone running down ticket to pledge to repeal Obamacare, Dodd Frank and Sarbanes Oxley and then hold them to it so he could sign all 3. Huge applause. Huge.

    As the Devine GC says, more later…

  • gunnyg

    I supported Rick Perry until he dropped. I support Santorum with my time and money. Do I like Mittens? NO! Is he better than Obama? HELL YES!

    We’d better start getting together on booting Obama and THEN getting our house in order or there won’t BE a house to get in order.

    I’d rather have President Mittens Romney than Obama because at least we’ll be able to adjust his rudder if he goes off course whereas, Obama is a tyrant who does what Soros tell him to do.

    If YOU stay home in 2012, if YOU vote third party to protest, then you throw the election FOR OBAMA.

    Is that what you REALLY want?

  • AceInTX

    to believe we have a hope and a future in America based on the leadership of such a trio…

    I dare you

    I keep trying to leave this thread…and I keep getting drawn back…

    • acat

      There’s not an ounce of backbone between the three of ‘em.

      Mew

      • garfieldjl

        I think Boehner has been undercut repeatedly by McConnell which makes it hard for him to stand up against the Dems cause the rug is continually pulled out from under him.

        I don’t think Boehner is a rino, he’s on good terms with the tea party members we managed to send to Washington, they may not always agree, but it’s clear they respect him as speaker.

        So at this point, I say give Boehner the benefit of the doubt and make sure we actually have a Conservative become Majority Leader in Senate.

        • acat

          Chairman. Newt.

          Mew

          • garfieldjl

            Seriously the person that was speaker of the house before Boehner, probably ran the most corrupt speakership in US history.

            After all the abuses of power that Pelosi pulled, Boehner is in a tight spot because he’s trying to prove he’s not going to run things like the corrupt Pelosi whom preceeded him.

            Newt didn’t have the issue of the person being speaker before him being a corrupt, power-hungry individual, well at least nowhere near as blatently as Pelosi was.

            Furthermore, we can’t compare Bill Clinton to Obama, Clinton could be reasoned with he wasn’t a total ideologue whom will only settle for his way or he takes his ball and goes home.

            As much as I don’t care for many of the things Clinton did, I will be the first to say that if it was an election of Bill Clinton vs. Obama, I’d not only vote for Clinton, I would man the phone banks to get out the vote for Clinton.

    • http://www.baseballcrank.com Dan McLaughlin

      nt

      • garfieldjl

        Seriously, in the midwest he’d be considered a liberal. There have been videos surfacing that show Romney was pushing Obama to have an individual mandate.

  • http://www.AmericanThinker.com Hammer2008

    There won’t be a Watergate but there will be use for the stock of “Perry President” yard signs I still have.

    If Romney becomes the one to stand in this leaderless gap of a picture, be ready for the quiet “FU TeaParty, we’re in charge” from the DC elite… And Newt will be the one cutting a deal to deliver Romney his 1145th delegate: cutting deals with liberals, it’s in Newt’s nature.

    • acat

      Gingrich has no future career to protect, no post to trade his delegates for … why should he help Romney? Where’s the payoff?

      Mew

    • AceInTX

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    • downstateray

      Newt has had his hand out for almost 20 years now since he was shown the door. I for one think he has had his fill of kitty litter. Please just go away Newt.

  • demsaresatanic

    those old Romney hits just keep coming. You must not think Perry’s endorsement counts for much, are you sure those aren’t old Romney signs that you have.

  • downstateray

    It really is very simple. Promote policy that makes jobs, reduces debt, and secures energy independence at the federal level. Let the people at the state level argue about god gays and guns.

    The ‘conservatives’ who wish to project their beliefs on the rest of society using the instruments of government are no better than the liberals that do the same.

    The ‘leadership’ is only concerned with keeping the money flowing in. Fewer and fewer voters self identify as DEM or GOP. Now with the onset of SuperPACs party contributions to the candidates mean even less.

    So now you see McConnell deliberately sandbagging House GOPs with whom he disagrees. Hopefully he will be pushed out soon.

    It is time that we the people vet all candidates and choose the best fit regardless of label. The brand label doesnt mean much anymore.

    • littlehouse18

      Therefore they are a national issue.

      I’ll concede that some issues are not ripe for a national debate, and will not further the cause of liberty at this time. But this nation sorely needs to get back to it’s foundation, and that includes reforming the culture back to a basis on family and on civic responsibility. Local, non-governmental institutions revitalizing society. So a certain amount of social conservatism is crucial to maintaining a free and healthy society, and is pertinent to today’s political discourse.

      That means *promoting* a way of life, not legislating it, although government can help to facilitate this. Of course now government is promoting and indeed mandating the opposite.

      This is an extra dimension Santorum brings to the table, in addition to being right on jobs, energy, national security, and of course, Obamacare.

  • rebel999

    There is a better America plan out there that says if we change our government so that all people would have to work for whatever government benefit they get then America could get a lot of things done for the good. This better America plan also shows how to cut the cost of government and balances the budget. Need I say more!

  • http://bobnew.com robertnew

    The GOP is missing the most glaring fact. Romney can’t campaign. He lost to Ted Kennedy when he should have won because he can’t campaign. His entire political career has been one failed race after another. Even his one victory as governor was less than inspiring.

    He comes from the same line of candidates as Dole and McCain. There is no way Romney will be able to outspend Obama 10:1. Plus the true conservatives are divided. Obama will use the same strategy against Romney. He will outspend him (especially if you factor in free media time he will get) and Obama will count on the division in the party the same as Romney is doing now. TEA party members will turn their focus on congressional races to boost their candidates there and abandon the presidential race.

    Romeny is getting about 26% vote in the southern states. He is a slap in the face and a message to conservatives that the ruling class will tell us who our candidate should be and we will accept it. There is no way Obama, given his past record of zero accomplishments should have beaten anyone, but he did because it was McCain’s turn to run, just like it is Romney’s turn to run. What’s that definition of insanity, doing the same thing and expecting different results? The inmates are running the asylum.

  • paco12348

    Is this the reason the GOP Leadership have pushed Romney down America’s throats? Do they think they can have a puppet President? I don’t trust the GOP because of what they did to Newt when he was surging. They came out in force against him. They know Newt won’t be pushed around and will be nobody’s puppet. He will shake the nuts out of both party trees in Congress and that’s what we need. We need both houses cleaned out and we need term limits. No more career politicians holding old grudges and forgetting what it’s like to live and work under the rules THEY put out to benefit themselves and their friends. TERM LIMITS!
    Newt will be his own man and the GOP leadership will not like that.

  • Patriot’s Tool Box

    This whole process has become a bit more troubling to me lately because the media is again convincing us who to vote for with the fuse growing shorter for Republicans to wake up.

    To point an item out Dan you stated, “A President Romney?s judicial nominees would be superior to President Obama?s simply because he would not be trying to stack the bench with liberal activists”. Sounds good but apparently you and most others have not taken the time to revisit his judicial appointments while Governor.

    As a party we seem to expose a certain shallowness regarding our knowledge of how we approach issues falling for and worse yet confusing the fact that yes Romney may have been in the business sector for 25 years but what was he factually doing? Did he sell the first pencil at Staples? No he was part of a team that loaned them money and they, Staples, made it work.

    We should put the big-boy pants on for a minute while there is still time and remember we are dealing with a nation of millions that will listen to the media who is actually promoting their republican choice to go against their previous choice who they will as we get closer to the election re-elevate and protect. I have heard a lot of talking points from Romney that have changed with the breeze as have you if your honest with yourself.

    At the end of the day folks for those that apparently seem to be attracted to the Romney sales pitch, we need most of all to understand the urgent need to re-sort and strengthen the House and re-sort and re-take the Senate. If you do not understand the correct meaning of re-sort it will involve looking back at their voting records. Start with Santorum’s.

    We were blessed with a balanced budget during the presidential reign of a liberal who has since admitted he surrendered because he had no choice. There is currently only one candidate who has stated the desire for America to choose a team to send to Washington with him.

    We need to seek proven leadership and and realize why the media is promoting a get-along go-along person that factually has no plan, no hands-on track record, and whines like a 10 year old when anyone counters his well funded ads built with half-truths and slander at best.

    We need to come to terms with the fact that yes Gingrich has spent a career in Washington but he is not welcome there because of his disruptive nature which is what is needed. The media fears him because the nature of their press conferences would have to change day-one! Think about it.

    When you consider how outrageous our health care costs have become as a result of it being controlled by Wall Street companies on all levels from pharmaceutical houses, hospital and healthcare suppliers, right down to the manufacturers of the beds and oxygen, do really want a Wall Street-backed Romney? Well?

    We need the same pre-planned pre-engineered government stop we had during the 105th. Congress. We need to consider putting all health care out for bid. We need to cancel NAFTA forcing our manufacturers to reopen the 50,000 closed plants in this country now and not later because there are no jobs to go back to.

    We definitely do not need a guy in an aluminum foil hat wanting to apply our constitution to the Iranian’s either.

    Lastly, There are a few who are mostly Bankers that behind a closed door might tell you about how Clinton forced lenders to loan to the unqualified causing the housing collapse, tell you how NAFTA has actually caused a 30+% out of a job rate that started in Bush’s first term obvious when you look to welfare and SSI, and more but unable to because we have lost our stomach to take shot we deserve and then to endure the hurt to fix it.

    I hope I do not have to again bite the inside of my mouth in the next election as I did with the last one as I did indeed know his voting record and it was not one of a conservative Republican’s. Think!

  • lynnotting

    When this party backed Romney over Gingrich, this part lost any integrity it may have possessed. When the members of this party voted for Romney based on polls, media and the establishment, this party lost the principles it many have valued. When individuals actually thought voting for Romney would get Obama out of the White House, they lost their ability to actually think. Maybe, I am the one that has lost any sense of reality, but there is no way in heck Romney will defeat Obama.

    • demsaresatanic

      shown surprising strength. How Republicans think that they can win a class-warfare election with Romney can’t be explained rationally; it is simply a case of people buying into the media hype early and being too stubborn to reconsider, Romneycare and Bain alone should have been enough, not to mention the liberal judges and tax increases.

  • lynnotting

    to win with quotes like this: On the ?Today? Show, Romney explained that people concerned with income inequality are simply jealous. ?You know, I think it?s about envy,? he said. ?I think it?s about class warfare. When you have a president encouraging the idea of dividing America based on the 99 percent versus 1 percent ? and those people who have been most successful will be in the 1 percent ? you have opened up a whole new wave of approach in this country which is entirely inconsistent with the concept of one nation under God.?

    • garfieldjl

      This is why Romney should not be the nominee.

      I can’t believe how people whom know the media shouldn’t be trusted, have bought into this con job.

      If you look at what can be used as baggage and compare it to what Obama’s baggage is, Romney is the absolute worst candidate (Paul is more electable than Romney).

    • cbartlett

      Can’t believe Romney actually said that! On MSM, no less. “Envy” and “class warfare” in the same sentence? Really? What a joke – he just handed Obama the absolute perfect sound byte for an ad. In addition to Romneycare, the class envy issue is one of the main targets Obama will use against him. This gets more depressing by the minute.

  • sashamanda

    Romney would be beholden to Wall Street, K Street, and those who bankrolled his campaign so lavishly.

    • clintonformccain

      “You scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours.”

      The irony in all this is that Romney won’t owe the conservative wing of the Republican Party diddly squat. By supporting literally anybody but Romney, including even some guy who walked in off the street at various times, the conservative wing has made itself somewhat irrelevant.

      • sashamanda

        the more clout the conservatives will have.

        • littlehouse18

          for the eventual nominee, whoever he is. I want this to play out some more too, but two months after the convention is too short a time to take down the Obama machine. We need to be pounding Obama constantly now on what he’s done to this country. Then our nominee can just step right into the ongoing battle.

  • lastgopinillinois

    So then, why all this lengthy speculation about how a President Romney MIGHT govern ???
    There is no scenario that makes a President Romney possible.

    Are you trying to CONVINCE someone to vote for him ???????