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Trayvon Martin And Perspective

A Matter of Balance and Focus

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On February 26 in a suburb of Orlando, a Hispanic man, George Zimmerman, shot to death an unarmed African-American teenager, Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman was on neighborhood watch, carrying a pistol. “Zimmerman spotted Martin as he was patrolling his neighborhood on a rainy evening and called 911 to report a suspicious person. Against the advice of the 911 dispatcher, Zimmerman then followed Martin, who was walking home from a convenience store with a bag of Skittles in his pocket.” To date, Zimmerman has not been arrested, but after a media outcry, local and federal grand jury investigations have been opened. Zimmerman contends that he shot Martin in self-defense; there are no eyewitnesses and the details are murky, but at least one witness overheard a confrontation. Presumably, further investigation will be needed before prosecutors can build a case that does not leave the claim of self-defense surrounded by a cloud of reasonable doubt, ending with a Casey Anthony type verdict. There’s been some discussion about Florida’s particularly strong self-defense law, but in any state in the Union, if a jury believes there is a real possibility that Zimmerman acted in self-defense, he’d be acquitted, and if the jury doesn’t, he’d be convicted.

The Martin case is a legitimate local news story, of the type that crops up now and then – in major cities like New York, where I live, we have multiple crime stories a year that involve sensational or particularly tragic facts and – at least at the outset – a significant possibility that injustice will be done either to the victim, the defendant, or both. Such cases test public confidence in the competence and fairness of local law enforcement, and sometimes find both to be wanting.

But the media feeding frenzy over this particular story – one out of the thousands of homicides in this country – in apparent response to a left-wing campaign to keep it in the national news, reflects at best a loss of perspective and at worst a cynical effort to inflame racial division in an election year.

Politico, in a story on pressure by the Congressional Black Caucus on the case, notes the scale of the campaign to nationalize the story:

A change.org petition asking for Zimmerman’s prosecution has drawn more than 420,000 signatures and an attorney for the Martin family has asked for an FBI investigation.

“Our thoughts and prayers go out to Trayvon Martin’s family. But obviously we’re not going to wade into a local law-enforcement matter,” White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said when he was asked about Martin’s death at today’s briefing.

On the scene is a man with his own rap sheet of inciting murderous rioting:

Later Tuesday, civil rights activist Al Sharpton is expected to join Sanford city leaders in an evening town hall meeting to discuss with residents how the investigation is being handled. On Monday, students held rallies on the campus of Florida A&M University in Tallahassee and outside the Seminole County Criminal Justice Center, where prosecutors are reviewing the case to determine if charges should be filed.

ThinkProgress, leading a chorus of “progressive” bloggers, complains that the media feeding frenzy has not been unanimous:

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Martin has merited coverage by the New York Times, the Washington Post, and USA Today. The story has been covered by all three broadcast networks and extensively on cable. But there is one outlet that has barely mentioned Trayvon Martin – Fox News.

Now bear in mind that the very people pushing a “national conversation” on George Zimmerman are not always so concerned that the media give a full and fair accounting of our criminal justice system’s fairness to victims of crimes. They are still complaining, a quarter century later, that the Massachusetts prison furlough program became an issue in the 1988 presidential election, and that a few obscure local ads even mentioned one particular graphic crime, committed by an inmate named Willie Horton. Somehow, even though it directly involved the judgment of a presidential candidate, that was not deemed fit for discussion.

Or turning to the present day, if the point is to use crime stories to dramatize real world concerns, what about a story that affects a lot more people than the fairness and competence of the Sanford, Florida police department: incursions into the U.S. by Mexican drug cartels? You can easily find dramatic individual stories written up in the local and sometimes national print media – a quick Google search turned up these examples:

March 14, 2012: “An alleged lieutenant of the Sinaloa cartel has been indicted in the U.S. for conspiracy in the kidnappings and deaths of a West Texas man and three New Mexico men.”

March 3, 2012, a story Erick wrote up on RedState: “A Mexican drug leader. Oscar ‘El Apache’ Castillo Flores, was released by the United States back to Mexico and immediately set about reacquiring power and killing people. He eventually is gunned down himself. His death happened this past week.

In September of 2011, Oscar’s brother Omar was gunned down in Texas. About the same time, someone kidnapped his wife from a Walmart in Brownsville, TX.”

February 16, 2012: In a NY Times story on a Texas state government website compiling stories of Texans terrorized by the drug gangs: “Col. Steve McCraw, the director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, the state’s top law enforcement agency, told a Congressional subcommittee in May that the agency had identified 22 homicides, 24 assaults, 15 shootings and 5 kidnappings in Texas since January 2010 that were directly related to the Mexican cartels.”

December 16, 2011: “[A] new federal court case outlines how Mexican drug cartels have teamed up with violent street gangs to operate inside the United States.

The case involves dozens of members of the Barrio Azteca gang charged with operating a massive drug-trafficking and money-laundering enterprise. A handful of members have already been convicted and were sentenced in Texas this week, while others face trial next spring for racketeering, murder, drug offenses, money laundering and obstruction of justice.

Information released by the Department of Justice (DOJ) this week says Barrio Azteca is also responsible for the March 2010 murders in Juarez of a U.S. Consulate employee, her husband and another associate.”

September 25, 2011: “Mexican police are investigating whether the death of a woman found decapitated at the Texan border is the third killing made in retribution for posts about drug cartels on social networking websites.

The woman, identified by local officials as Marisol Macías Castañeda, a newsroom manager for the Primera Hora newspaper, was found in Nuevo Laredo next to a handwritten note claiming she was murdered for posts about the Zetas cartel, which is believed to dominate the area’s drug trade to Laredo, Texas.”

March 3, 2011: “A man who stole drugs from a Mexican cartel was bludgeoned, stabbed and then decapitated in a suburban Phoenix apartment — a gruesome killing that police say was meant to send a message that anyone who betrays the traffickers will get the same treatment.”

December 8, 2009: NY Times story on a San Diego trial of a Mexican drug cartel; “authorities in Kansas City, Mo., and Miami are also investigating the Mr. Rojas-López’s squad for drug trafficking and killings in their cities.”

December 4, 2009: “he raging drug war among cartels in Mexico and their push to expand operations in the United States has led to a wave of kidnappings, shootings and home invasions in Arizona, state and federal officials said at a legislative hearing.”

This is even before we get to the matter of the Obama Administration’s direct implication in the cartels’ crimes via Operation Fast and Furious, the misguided gun-running scheme that ended up putting weapons in the hands of the cartels that killed, among others, a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

As you can see, the cartel story has not, of course, been completely ignored; the New York Times has reported on it, federal hearings have been held, indictments handed down, and the state governments of Texas and Arizona are concerned. It is legitimately a major story, and should be covered as one. But the relevant point here is that no individual case has been given the kind of maudlin saturation coverage of the 41 CNN stories in less than a month on the Zimmerman/Martin case cited by ThinkProgress, nor are left-wing organizations pressing for justice for the cartels’ many victims. (To the contrary, ThinkProgress has blasted the Texas government website as a ‘Border Vigilante Website’ and characterized discussions of violence at the border as “Fear-Mongering.”)

The reality is that the Trayvon Martin case is being pushed by left-wing organizations eager to provide a backdrop of racial strife to this year’s elections – a dangerous tactic, given how frequently popular agitation over these kinds of racially divisive stories have led to riots that leave people dead or homeless and local businesses and jobs destroyed. And that while activists on both sides of the aisle often try to get big media to focus on particular crime stories that advance some national political or cultural narrative, the media is much more apt to be receptive to such campaigns by the left than the right. That’s not to deny that the media sometimes goes crazy over cases with no particular political significance, like the Casey Anthony and Natalee Holloway cases, but those cases didn’t damage any of the left’s narratives.

Serious news organizations always have to make choices in what they cover, and even news consumers who understand the media’s biases are subject to the pervasive influence of decisions to allocate coverage. As I’ve noted before, for example, the media often puts a face to death penalty stories and tends to lump the death penalty and abortion issues together, while ignoring the fact that there are as many abortions every day as there have been executions in the past 80 years. When one local story is magnified many times over and personally dramatized, in the process consuming vast news resources, while stories affecting many more people are reduced to dry recitations of numbers with no followup and no coherent narrative, the viewing public is given a false picture of the world. That’s no service to anyone but the activists of the left.

COMMENTS

  • spinoneone

    gun control. More and more of the SCUM stories are turning on the number of guns carried in Florida and its relatively lenient concealed carry laws. Also, very few stories point of the fact that Zimmerman is Hispanic and let the reader assume, because of the last name, that he is not.

    • CrabCakes

      which is why forms that ask for race frequently list White (Non-Hispanic).

      • CrabCakes

        .

    • pstam2

      He is white.
      90% of hispanics in Miami-Dade are white. (75% for Florida as a whole).
      80% of whites in Miami-Dade are hispanic.

    • Juggernaut

      before knowing all the facts proving blacks are against latinos as quickly as other races. Also the shooter wanted to be a cop when he lived in VA. Probably failed to impress cops or failed a psychological test, if so he was a powder keg waiting to blow.

    • http://www.gosmllbiz.com byhisgrace

      In a world where the left, especially this administration, calls everything racist, it is important to keep things in perspective. McLaughlin is the first person i read calling the killer ‘hispanic’.

      This IS a racial incident, like too many that we lived through in years past. A story today, says the cops failed to catch a racist comment made by the killer.

      The police botched this completely.

      A 17 year old is dead by the hand of a self proclaimed Neighborhood Watch, who has priors that had been expunged.

      To try and bring in all the crap that doesn’t get reported re the cartels is goofy.

      This killer needs to be in jail, for killing an unarmed back kid that he profiled with no justification.

      Next.

      • floridaveteran

        “A 17 year old is dead by the hand of a self proclaimed Neighborhood Watch, who has priors that had been expunged.”
        Zimmerman was arrested AND cleared by the justice system. Once that happens many people expunge the ERRONEOUS criminal record.

        “To try and bring in all the crap that doesn?t get reported re the cartels is goofy.”
        Comparison is always a good method of analysis. Bottom line the USA is overwhelmed by Mexican drug cartels and it is under-reported.

        “This killer needs to be in jail, for killing an unarmed back kid that he profiled with no justification.”

        According to who? Do you want to actually have a gathering of evidence and then maybe a trial to find justice, or do you just want to hang the ‘killer’ without a trial because the people are outraged? This type of action is called lynching citizens!

  • altexas

    I don’t see what race has to do with this story. An unarmed 17 year old minor is stalked, approached and killed by a stranger.

    • Tbone

      If the victim was white and the shooter was black, it would be buried by the MSM. If you claim otherwise, you are a liar or a fool or both.

      • CrabCakes

        If you claim otherwise, etc., etc.

        • streiff

          then it would be ignored.

        • Tbone

          Let me show you. Did you see this story from the NYDaily news.?

          “Teens set kid on fire for being ‘white boy’
          MEENA HART DUERSON
          Sunday, March 04, 2012

          A 13-year-old boy who police say was doused with gasoline and lit on fire last week while walking home from school is recovering from first-degree burns to his face and head.

          The boy was just two blocks from his home in Kansas City Tuesday when two teenagers began to follow him and then attacked him, his mother, Melissa Coon, said.

          Police have described the suspects as black 16-year-olds, while the victim is white.

          “They rushed him on the porch as he tried to get the door open,” Coon told KMBC. “(One of them) poured the gasoline, then flicked the Bic, and said, ‘This is what you deserve. You get what you deserve, white boy.’”"

          Now google “teen set on fire”. Notice the lack of MSM media coverage?

          Now google “black teen shot” Hardly a rare occurence in this Country. What do you see from the MSM?

          Yep, you are a lying fool.

          • CrabCakes

            n/t

          • Tbone

            which has to do with media coverage not the course of justice.

          • CrabCakes

            If the police had arrested the man who chased down a teenager who was out for a walk in his own neighborhood after being told not to by the police themselves and who then shot and killed the teenager, then the Feds wouldn’t be involved now, it wouldn’t have blown up online, and the media circus wouldn’t be in full swing.

            In short, the blatant failings with regard to course of justice is the reason that this is a story. Many, myself included, believe that the course of justice would have run rather differently if the teenager were white, which is where the racial aspect comes in.

          • Tbone

            and the police would have handled exactly the same way. That’s the point.

          • jc230

            A senseless tragedy. I agree with your assessment.

          • floridaveteran

            In the USA the police must have probable cause to arrest without a warrant. There was not probable cause present that night. Would you have the police arrest the shooter just to satisfy the public’s outrage? If you shoot an unarmed person that was hitting you in the head, in the face, knocking you down; do you then expect to be arrested because the public is outraged? Or would you like a gathering of evidence to justify the elimination of your personal freedom?

      • altexas

        when the (Diary) writers resort to personal attacks.

        • Tbone

          NT

          • civil truth

            I don’t see the slightest effort on your part to refute the diarist’s points – just an unsupported straw man argument and a personal attack.

          • Tbone

            see that I wasn’t addressing the diary, I was addressing altexas’ claim that race had nothing to do with the story.

          • civil truth

            …but(t) I’m outta this one. This case is a tar baby – I don’t really want to touch it anymore.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            Pat Buchanan (1998)? I had read it before, many years ago, but I wasn’t open to the argument at that time. A combination of factors/events of the past 14 years and of the past several weeks have caused me to re-read it. I have had an anti-free international trade epiphany and am working on a column for the weekend …developing…

          • civil truth

            On the other hand, I have been moving towards free trade in the past few years.

            I’d be happy for your to contact me privately if you wish to converse further.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            Rather it’s about the history of free trade and what I now see as a conservative utopian blind spot

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            Signature quote from Mere Christianity

          • civil truth

            It’s from the Preface (the long one of the two) to The Screwtape Letters.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            By CSL. They are in the top 5 books that have impacted my life

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            Day of Reckoning”

      • renl57

        Remember James Byrd in 1999? Remember how the Dems tried to use it against candidate Bush in 2000?

        If not, go here:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Byrd,_Jr.

        This incident is no different. A black man got killed in Florida and the Dems are going to blame Romney for it.

        • zachv

          It’s a child getting stalked and killed by a full out murderer while he was walking home from school! … and the creep is still on the streets not being charged with manslaughter. What’s not sensational or upsetting about that? I’m even hacked off about it now.

          I mean, compare that to Byrd. Killed in Texas by white supremacists while W. was in office as Texas’ governor. There’s a lot more connection to racism, Texas and W. than could ever be said about this scum.

          • Bill S

            An answer to this question is required, zachv.

          • vanz

            No, absolutely not my intention! Never, never.

            My point was that there was more connection between (1) Byrd and racism given that he was killed by white supremacists, and (2) Byrd and GWB because Byrd lived in Texas THAN there was a connection between Romney and the creep who killed Trayvon.

            I no way or manner did I say GWB was racist and I’m a bit upset that my comment was even interpreted as such. GWB was one of the the most honest, down to earth and dignified Presidents we’ve ever had, and I’ve always been sorely disappoined that I was unable to vote for him on account of being too young at the time.

            I’m saddened because wasn’t able to correct this because I was banned before I had the chance to respond. I believe the RS Community deserves to know that I did not mean to offend them in any manner, if they took it as such, because it was never my intention and was simply the result of a miscommunication.

            Apologies to you all.

          • Stricia

            Glad you got that straightened out. I agree that the RS community deserves to know your intentions. Haste does indeed make waste.
            I should have spoken up when that misunderstanding took place. However, I could tell that the mod(s) were in an unforgiving mood and would probably hit me with the blam stick for just coming to your defense. Take care.

          • vanz

            :)

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Don’t feel like waiting. If you have an answer, hit the contact form.

      • pstam2

        Yeah, the MSM certainly buried the OJ case. Especially when he got off, it was like nobody cared to cover it. You can bet if OJ were white and his victims were black and he got off, it would have been all over the MSM…

        Oh wait…

        • civil truth

          .

  • zachv

    If this were a incident that left-wingers were pushing to provide a racial strife backdrop, you know it’d involve a white person committing a heinous act against a minority with a subtle hint of racial motivation. I’m not sure if I see that.

    What sticks out to me (if I were a news producer) is a child being stalked by a full-out insane murderer on his way home from school. It’s sensational, and it reverberates with the soccer mom fear of stranger danger. Throw it out there and get all of parental middle America hyped up about it.

    • CrabCakes

      The only place race comes into it is that the police are dragging their feet on arresting a guy who pretty clearly chased down and killed a teenager who was walking around in his own neighborhood armed with a bag of Skittles. Plenty of people, myself included, believe that the police would have acted differently if the teenager were white, which understandably has some people upset.

      • hobarticus

        The media, in their coverage, is playing up the case because the shooter fits everything they want people to believe about conservatives: white (not true, but you wouldn’t know it), armed (see, told you legal guns=crime!), racist, and corrupt.

        That said, this may be a bad case over which to have this battle. The facts of the case look increasingly damning to the shooter, and the initial investigation seems to have been pointedly superficial. There are good reasons why vigilantism is frowned upon by civilized society.

        • zachv

          I see the playing up of the racial component, but I’m only seeing it from the CBC and spokesmen/women in the black community. Mostly from the perspective of it being, “We’re sick of dead black kids”.

          What I still don’t see it as is the media playing it up as a racially motivated crime. I’m sticking to my “child being stalked by a full-out insane murderer” as sensational news, in addition to it being ridiculous that this man is still on the streets not facing charges right now.

          I mean, really? In what sane community does the police force let a man like that not be in jail right now not facing charges. That’s completely ridiculous.

      • westcoastpatriette

        Most riots in prisons and murders between gangs in California are between Hispanics and blacks not white on black. So, I think you are missing the point of the diary.

        And you are underestimating the Obama administration,s strategies — always with the aid of the complicit media — to stir up racial animosity by pitting races against each other. Matters not to them which races are used. The more the merrier

        • CrabCakes

          and should be focusing on Mexican drug cartels instead.

          My point is that this is a pretty clear case of the justice system treating black victims differently than white victims, and that’s why it’s a story.

          Incidentally, I’m not even sure why this is an inherently anti-conservative story. It’s a pretty easy opportunity for conservatives to declare the way the police have handled things here is atrocious and that conservatism stands for equal justice for all, no matter race, religion, or creed. It instantly becomes an issue upon which everyone can agree, conservative or liberal, and thus not a left-right issue. There’s no need for the story to feed into any kind of liberal narrative.

          Instead the response is, “Why are we spending so much time on this?” That kind of response only feeds the (usually incorrect, in my view) perception among African-Americans that conservatives don’t care about black people. I’m not sure that’s the best message to send if you want to make inroads into the demographic.

          • westcoastpatriette

            because of your own biases.

          • renl57

            The GOP has zero chance of making inroads into the black demographic, as long as a white Republican candidate is going to be trying to oust The First Black President ™. That has the wrong “optics” to attract black votes.

            Blacks have closed ranks around Obama–despite their misgivings about the high unemployment in their communities–because to them he’s a symbol of black achievement in America.

            The GOP should bide its time and wait for the Dems to nominate a white candidate for President, perhaps in 2016.

          • CrabCakes

            How conservatives respond to stories like this one today determine whether African Americans will still be voting overwhelmingly Democratic in 2040.

            And they aren’t voting Democratic just because Obama is black. They voted for 88% for Kerry, only 3% lower than they gave Obama. If you ask African Americans why they vote Democratic, one of the first things you’ll hear is that they think that Republicans are racist. When the conservative response to a story like this is, “Why are we even talking about this?” it only serves to confirm that assumption.

            Of course, if conservatives want to keep reinforcing narratives that benefit Team Blue, then this dirty liberal hippy won’t stand in your way.

          • floridaveteran

            Blacks assert Republicans are racist. Any evidence? No just a feeling. Look at the history of the last 50 years which party was for segregation? Which party was against the Civil Rights Act of 65? Which party elected a KKK grand wizard repeatedly? The answer to all these questions is the democratic party.

      • uselogic

        1- It’s not his neighborhood; he was visiting from Miami.
        2- It’s a mixed neighborhood and Zimmerman, theHispanic, is the head neighborhood watch person with a legal concealed weapon permit.
        3- There has been a rash of recent burglaries and assaults in this neighborhood.
        4- At least one ear-witness heard Zimmerman yelling for help; that he was being attacked.
        5- Ther are NO eye-witenesses. None.
        6- If you had any notion of the area and community, you might know that the standard cast of area activists – including the family’s “lawyer” are pushing the racial slant. Now they’ve been joined by the likes of Sharpton. All taking advantage of a tragic situation.
        7. The local police department did detain Zimmerman but have elevated the case to the state Dept of Law Enforcement, as per precedent in “Stand Your Ground” cases. Hence the reason he has not been charged…or cleared.

        Those of us who live and work in this area don’t need your holy “hang him” judgement any more than we need Sharpton and the rest of the self serving phonies.

        • zachv

          I simply can’t see this as being even remotely friendly to Zimmerman, because it’s pretty darn predictable that walking around with a gun as a “watchman” is going to end very, very badly.

          Even if Zimmerman was attacked, which sounds stupid to me and contrary to the 911 phone call and the victim’s activity, someone with a concealed weapon permit will be held to a higher standard than the average reasonable person.

          I do agree though that Sharpton only ever makes tragic situations worse and politically charged.

        • CrabCakes

          The version of the story that I first read said that his “family” lived in the gated community. I misunderstood and assumed that “family” meant immediate, not extended family.

          Otherwise, though, I was aware of everything you said. A legal concealed weapon permit is not an excuse to ignore police instructions and play cop. A neighborhood watch person’s job is to call the cops, not to shoot people.

          In addition, I stand by my assertion that it is very unlikely that chasing down a white kid and then shooting them would qualify as “Stand Your Ground.” You don’t get to chase someone down and then “defend” yourself when you catch them if they sock you one (and that’s assuming that Zimmerman’s side of the story is accurate). I sure as hell hope that my kid would run from anyone who isn’t wearing a policeman’s uniform who is chasing them after dark, especially if they’re carrying a gun.

    • http://www.baseballcrank.com Dan McLaughlin

      that they invariably describe Zimmerman as ‘white’ when one look at him tells you that if he was the victim here they’d describe him as Hispanic.

      • lapert

        At least in the CBS news report they say the police describe him as white and the family describes him as hispanic.

      • westcoastpatriette

        More emphasis is placed on the Stand Your Ground law and the need for more stringent gun control. So this story has multiple points with the potential to further leftist views.

        http://news.yahoo.com/controversial-florida-law-heart-trayvon-martin-case-162500773.html

        • westcoastpatriette

          un

    • pstam2

      “white person committing a heinous act against a minority with a subtle hint of racial motivation. I?m not sure if I see that.”

      Which part of it dont you see?
      White person comitting a crime? Check.
      Against a minority? Check.
      Subtle hints of Racial motivation? Calling him a suspicious person, mostly white police force not investigating him…

      • floridaveteran

        Don’t you want to wait until there has been a gathering of evidence before you CONVICT a citizen? What white person are you talking about? There were Hispanic and African-American males involved.

  • johnjohn23

    I don’t know how it is done in Florida, but in most states the statement “further investigation will be needed before prosecutors can build a case that does not leave the claim of self-defense surrounded by a cloud of reasonable doubt” is wrong because self-defense is an affirmative defense which requires admitting the underlying crime and then placing the burden on the defendant to show that they meet the exception.

    However, I agree with the OP that charges aren’t going to be brought based on these facts because one could claim the gun accidentally discharged during the fight, rather than self-defense, and I haven’t seen anything reported that would prevent that from being a viable outcome. I assume there are some sort of forensics that have/could have been done to determine the distance of the shooter from the victim, which would help the situation a lot.

    I find it interesting only because we have a busybody who noses around our community too, and he’s the same kind of stupid as this guy. You pay the police to have the police protect people. You don’t, as a 28yr old man holding a gun, chase down a 17yr old, (who later is found to be holding only skittles and iced tea) regardless of race.

    • johnjohn23

      Forgot to add that the reason the distance is so important is because in most states you cannot respond to non-deadly force with deadly force. The kid had no weapon, and if that gun didn’t go off accidentally, regardless of whether the kid started the fight, that guy would be going away in most jurisdictions.

      • naraht

        Florida has a “Stand Your Ground law” which basically means if you feel threatened you can use deadly force. See http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2109511,00.html

        • johnjohn23

          Stand your ground laws are when they come to you, not when you chase after them.

    • http://www.baseballcrank.com Dan McLaughlin

      are still something you consider before bringing an indictment.

    • floridaveteran

      The police do not protect the people, they arrive after the crime as been committed and then do fact finding to arrest the accused.

      Also the police do not have any more arrest powers that the citizens of Florida.

      • redstateneck

        Speeding tickets to college co-eds before preventing crime. Our perception of safety is an illusion. Give the police brooms.

  • civil truth

    And sometimes the professional race baiters do find a case that does involve racism. This is looking increasingly likely to be one of those cases.

  • funwithknives

    With few exceptions, all murders in Detroit are black on black for some of the stupidist reasons imaginable.
    Sure there are exceptions to this claim but by and large the local news organs downplay this stuff at every opportunity. Only when prodded do they actually mention the particulars. The papers are no better and often worse.

    • mikeymike143

      early media coverage of those cases looked very similar to the media coverage of this case. totally one sided that looked like ”an injustice” was done. LOL

      hell, in the duke rape case, the DA and the press even colluded to bury the fact that the DNA test the black stripper took showed that she has sex with just about everyone in town EXCEPT the white duke lacrosse players she accused of rape.

      and as i recall when the ACORN scandal was being broken, none of the media groups pushing this story gave that story time of day. except FOX, who of course is the one media outlet with enough sense not to sensationalize this story.

  • maybenexttime

    It’s one less welfare recipient for Obama to control.

    • hal2715

      Go back to the hole you crawled out of.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      .

  • pstam2

    Can we stop this stupidity that hes not white because he is hispanic?

    Hispanic is not a race.
    White is a race.

    Saying “he is not white, he is hispanic” is like saying “he is not white, he has brown hair.”

    One has nothing to do with the other.
    In Florida. 75% of Hispanics are white (in Miamii its 90%). Calling him white is not a mistake, or a lie. He is both white and hispanic. Like most people in Miami.

    • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

      …allowing yourself to burn what could have been a profitable enough stealth moby account over *this* story was remarkably short-sighted of you.

      It’s remarkable, the way that the Lefty astroturf is strong on this story. Amazingly ineffectual, of course.

    • funwithknives

      it is a Racial check-off box on a Census Form and countless others?

      What is it that countless Gov’t agencies and demographers know that you do not?

      Likely, if you have a list at home divided into “Things I Know” and “Things I don’t know” , one is much much longer than the other.
      No guesses needed, as to which is longer.

      {….opening your mouth and removing the doubt, works for me.}

      • psan2

        Hispanic is a racial check off box on the census form???

        Are you sure about that, buddy? Better contact the Fed government so they can reprint all those census forms.

        Let me help you out: here is a link to the census.
        www.census.gov/schools/pdf/2010form_info.pdf
        Question 6:
        What is this persons race (check all that apply):
        White
        Black, African Am, or negro
        American Indian or Alaska Native
        Asian Indian
        Chinese
        Filipino
        Japanese
        Korean
        Vietnamese
        Native Hawaiin
        Chamorro/Pacific Islander
        Somoan
        Other Asian

        Which one of these says Hispanic, again? (Hint: Its none of them.
        Because Gov’t agencies and demographers dont consider hispanic a
        race). So, yeah, basically the total opposite of what you said.

  • radicalrabbi

    In today’s media coverage of stories, it is always going to be the media that is going to tell that story. Different media, different story angles, but always, it is the media telling us; with one exception, today’s “social network” and honest web journalist media..
    This whole thing has been blown up into a racial thing; we know this because Al “give me some money or there’s going to be a riot” Sharpton is on the scene. We know that because the media made such noise, now we are going to have an FBI investigation.
    According to Florida law, Mr. Zimmerman was within his rights. There are no witnesses; I daresay not much in forensics as well. It is a tragedy that the young man was killed; by all means and look into Mr. Zimmerman’s background and see if there have been past incidents in his life where there might have been “racism involvement.
    The media will continue to dog this story. So the question is; Who run’s the media and what is there objective?

  • keonemichaels

    This was murder plain and simple. Forget that the only crime the youngster committed was “walking while black” and threatened the fool that killed him with a can of soda and package of Skettles.

    This fool Zimmerman deserves the death penalty like any other perpetrator of homicide.

    • streiff

      because if you do I’d suggest you send it to the relevant law enforcement agencies.

  • Stan

    on the fact (from the 911 tapes) that the dispatchers told Zimmerman not to follow the kid, yet he continued. That was just plain stupid. When the police tell you to back off, it’s time to back off.

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