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The Supreme Court’s Disappointing Tax Ruling

The Constitution Unexplained

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Yesterday’s ruling that Obamacare’s individual mandate exceeded Congress’ power under the Commerce Clause showcased the Supreme Court at its intellectual best: the fruits of years of detailed and heated scholarly and judicial debate, intensive briefing and vigorous argument were reflected in the various opinions. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of the Court’s opinions on the alternative ground – the taxing power – that Chief Justice Roberts and the Court’s four Democratic appointees found to be an alternative basis for the mandate. Critics on the Right have assumed that Roberts is wrong about the taxing power, and the cheerleaders on the Left are simply pocketing the result, but neither the various opinions nor most of the commentary have bothered to explain a theory of what Congress can and cannot constitutionally do through its power to tax.

The Majority

In theory, the powers of the federal government should be determined by examining first the Constitution’s text and then the caselaw. While there are different schools of thought on how to handle the text, the conservative “originalist” argument is that it should be read in light of how that text was commonly understood at the time it was adopted, since the time of adoption is when the consent of the governed was given to the text. But Part III(C) of Chief Justice Roberts’ opinion for the Court, comprising p. 33-44 of the opinion, spends almost no time actually looking at the scope or original meaning of the taxing power.

The very first power granted to Congress in Article I, Section 8, is the power to tax:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States

Section 9 adds a limitation: “No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.” However, unlike the Commerce Clause and the Spending Clause, which remain unchanged from their original 1787 text, this aspect of the taxing power has been altered by the Sixteenth Amendment, ratified in 1913, which states: “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”

To begin with, the Court’s opinion has to thread a very narrow needle in explaining how the mandate is a tax for purposes of the Constitutional power to tax, but not a tax for purposes of the Anti-Injunction Act, which would have barred the Court from deciding the issue until someone actually paid the penalty for not having insurance and sued for a refund, which could happen no sooner than 2014. The resulting explanation – that when Congress calls something a penalty that makes it a penalty for purposes of statutory construcution, while the label should be disregarded in favor of the substance for purposes of constitutionality – is not completely implausible, but it is surely not one that you could come up with if you did not begin the exercise with a dogged determination to reach a particular result.

Even Chief Justice Roberts’ opinion for the Court admits that the “most straightforward reading” of the statute is to treat the mandate and the associated penalty as a mandate with an associated penalty (indeed, the White House is continuing to insist today in the face of this opinion that the penalty is a penalty, not a tax). But assuming for the sake of argument that it is constitutional if it could be considered a tax, we must look at how Roberts finds that tax to be within the power of Congress.

Examining how the mandate could be within Congress’ power to tax, Roberts makes seven basic points about the taxing power, most of which he supports with a case cite or two, but only one of which (#5 on this list) does he support with anything we might characterize as an originalist source (I am summarizing here):

1-A tax raises revenue; the mandate penalty will raise revenue, and can therefore be a tax.

2-A tax can be labelled something else, like a fee, so the fact that the statute says it’s a penalty does not mean it is not a tax.

3-A tax can be intended to influence conduct, and thus the intent of the penalty to make people buy insurance does not mean it is not a tax.

4-A tax can be a tax, not a penalty, if it’s the only legal consequence for a choice. You don’t go to jail for defying the mandate, all you do is pay the IRS.

5-The Court in 1796 unanimously sustained – over James Madison’s objection – the view that a tax on carriages was not a direct tax (subject to the pre-1913 Section 9 prohibition) because it did not fall on the whole population, and therefore a tax only on the uninsured is not a direct tax.

6-The constitution doesn’t say anything about not taxing inactivity, and thus – unlike the Commerce Clause, which refers to “Commerce” (an activity), there is no bar on taxing people for not buying insurance. Roberts supports this point only with Ben Franklin’s aphorism that only “death and taxes” are certain.

7-The caselaw has recognized that there is a limit past which a tax is so coercive it becomes a penalty no matter its other characteristics. The Court does not attempt to determine where that line is drawn.

The Joint Dissent

The joint dissent (like many commentators, I’ve tended to refer to this as Scalia’s opinion because he’s listed first and the conclusion in particular is unmistakably vintage Scalia, but it is actually signed as the work of Scalia, Kennedy, Thomas and Alito, and Thomas refers to it as “our joint opinion”) sets forth a fairly strong argument that the mandate was intended and designed to be a mandate, and therefore the Court should not even consider whether it could have been passed as a tax:

The issue is not whether Congress had the power to frame the minimum-coverage provision as a tax, but whether it did so.

(p. 17-18; emphasis in original).

The joint dissent’s entire argument (in Part II of its opinion, comprising p. 16-26 of the dissent) is therefore, basically, that the mandate was not intended, labelled or designed as a tax. That leaches over to some extent into an argument about what kind of taxes the Court has previously authorized, but the joint dissent repeatedly stresses that it is not discussing what Congress could have done if it had labelled the penalty as a tax and made a few other largely cosmetic alterations to its functioning. You will look long and hard in the joint dissent, without success, for any analysis of the actual original meaning of the taxing power.

The joint dissent makes at most three points that touch on what the taxing power actually is:

1-The Court has sometimes treated taxes designed to punish as improper and unconstitutional penalties, as in the 1922 Child Labor Tax Case (authored by then Chief Justice and former President Taft) and 1936′s United States v Butler. However, the joint dissent notes other cases treating fees as taxes and does not make an affirmative argument that Child Labor and Butler comprise any sort of coherent constitutional rule, much less a correctly decided one under an originalist reading.

2-The Court has sometimes treated even exactions that were called taxes as penalties.

3-The absence of a scienter (intent) requirement doesn’t prove it’s not a penalty.

That’s about it. The joint dissent also faults the majority for cursorily deciding the issue of whether the penalty was a direct tax, but does not make an argument about what the direct tax prohibition now means after the Sixteenth Amendment. Indeed, at page 30, in its discussion of the Spending Clause, the joint dissent seems to throw in the towel on the idea that there is any real limit on the permissible subjects of taxing or spending:

The Constitution grants Congress the power to collect taxes “to…provide for the…general Welfare of the United States,” Art. I, sec 8, cl. 1, and from “the foundation of the Nation sharp differences of opinion have persisted as to the true interpretation of the phrase” “the general welfare.” Butler, 297 U. S., at 65. Madison, it has been said, thought that the phrase “amounted to no more than areference to the other powers enumerated in the subsequent clauses of the same section,” while Hamilton “maintained the clause confers a power separate and distinctfrom those later enumerated [and] is not restricted in meaning by the grant of them.” Ibid.

The Court resolved this dispute in Butler. Writing for the Court, Justice Roberts opined that the Madisonian view would make Article I’s grant of the spending power a “mere tautology.” Ibid. To avoid that, he adopted Hamilton’s approach and found that “the power of Congress to authorize expenditure of public moneys for public purposes is not limited by the direct grants of legislative power found in the Constitution.” Id., at 66. Instead, he wrote, the spending power’s “confines are set in the clause which confers it, and not in those of section 8 which bestow and define the legislative powers of the Congress.” Ibid

The power to make any expenditure that furthers “the general welfare” is obviously very broad, and shortly after Butler was decided the Court gave Congress wide leeway to decide whether an expenditure qualifies….Since that time, the Court has never held that a federal expenditure was not for “the general welfare.”

(pp. 29-30; bold added). That’s the spending power, of course, and doesn’t speak directly to what limits there may be in the taxing power, but if the limitation on the taxing power lies in its text’s reference to the general welfare, it does not appear that even the dissenters placed much stock in that text.

Professor Epstein’s Commentary

Sadly, most of the commentary on the decision thus far has focused on anything and everything but the question of whether the Court got the taxing power right. Richard Epstein has provided the best effort I’ve seen so far at an originalist argument, citing Child Labor and Butler; a sample:

Historically speaking, this clause corrected one of the great weaknesses of the Articles of Confederation (the precursor to the Constitution), which had forced Congress to essentially beg the states for the revenues needed to run its business. By giving Congress independent powers over taxation and other revenue sources, the Constitution ended that dependency. But as a quid pro quo, the Constitution also restricted the use of these revenues to classical public goods – benefits that must be given to all citizens, if given to any – like paying off national debts and paying for the nation’s defense. General welfare, mentioned in parallel with these two phrases, is best read as covering only matters that advance the welfare of the United States as a whole. The redistribution of income, or “transfer payments” among citizens, like those mandated under the Affordable Care Act, doesn’t qualify for taxation in this originalist reading of the Constitution.

He then goes on to note how both Butler and Child Labor struck down indirect and punitive taxes aimed at regulating matters Congress could not regulate directly: “[a] heavy tax, the court argued, could not be used to mount an end run around this constitutional obstacle to its own power.”

One can certainly derive something like a negative principle from Butler and Child Labor that the Constitution, as amended, does not permit the federal government to tax for any purpose other than the raising of revenue, but I have not seen anybody either (1) make an originalist argument that the Constitution actually was intended to impose such a restriction on the purposes of tax incentives or (2) explain how one would go about designing a judicially enforceable rule along these lines. Under Professor Epstein’s view, it might seem that all sorts of things in the tax code are unconstitutional because they create behavioral incentives – and maybe they are, but how one comes up with a rule that is both workable and grounded in legitimate textual authority is very much an open question.

Professor Epstein’s point about general welfare spending is also an arguable one and one he has expounded on elsewhere in far more detail than a NY Times op-ed allows, but in light of the joint dissent’s treatment of the phrase “general welfare,” it seems doubtful that anybody beyond possibly Justice Thomas would be willing to go that far, and unclear what the historical basis would be for such a rule. There are state constitutions that attempt to place limits on laws that do not address the interests of the public as a whole (the New Jersey constitution, for example, provides that “No general law shall embrace any provision of a private, special or local character”), but the history of such rules in practice has not been one of clear and successful jurisprudence.

Conclusion

For many years now, we have had a lively and enlightening debate over the history, scope and limiting principles applicable to the Commerce Clause. By using the taxing power to justify – through the backdoor – a mandate to buy insurance that Congress could not enact directly via the Commerce Clause, the Supreme Court may have opened the door to expansive future uses of the taxing power. But the majority did not justify with any convincing analysis its view that the taxing power actually extends that far, nor did the joint dissent offer a meaningful reason to believe that it does not. It will now fall to academics, legal commentators, and in the long run courts and legislators to work out the still-uncharted boundaries of how far Congress can go in using its power to tax as a power to regulate.

COMMENTS

  • Brookhaven

    Don’t maintain a certain weight or exercise? The government can now penalize you with a tax.

    Don’t want to take certain courses in college? Pay a tax.

    Don’t want to buy an electric car? Pay a tax.

    What if it is decided that we need a 1-child policy (like China has) to “save the planet,” and you want to have more than one child? Pay a tax.

    What has just been found in our Constitution is the “right” of the government to use the tax code to coerce its citizens into certain behaviors.

    It’s one thing for the government to give people a tax break for engaging in certain activities, but it’s different when the government can penalize you for not engaging in certain activities–for NOT

    • Brookhaven

      It?s one thing for the government to give people a tax break for engaging in certain activities, but it?s different when the government can penalize you for not engaging in certain activities?for NOT living your life the way the government wants you to live it.

      • jimmyg

        The govt. can and does impose taxes to control behavior,exhibit no. 1 the gas guzzler tax

        http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/facts/2012_fotw724.html

        • Right Reason

          Some are disguised in the affirmative. The mortgage interest deduction, child tax credit, I could go on and on. The tax code is chock full of examples of the government encouraging – and discouraging – behaviors through either financial incentives or penalties. That’s part of the appeal of the flat tax or the fair tax.

          Another side effect of Roberts’ opinion may be that he has shone some light on the issue of government coercion via the tax code.

        • UpLateAgain

          They are attempting to limit your perceived damaging activity (i.e. to waste gas). Your activity costs the gerenral public, so you pay to make up for it.

          In the Obamacare issue, they are attempting to require you to engage in actions they want you to, but you may not want-to. They are taxing you for not doing anything. I am unaware of any place this has been authorized before.

          It’s like going up to someone and saying,”You didn’t decide to open a business and hire a bunch of employees… even though we would have liked you to. Sorry. The country would have been better off if you had. You’ve hurt the general welfare by not acting, so you have to pay a tax to make up for it”

          • littlehouse18

            to everyone who will be forced to pay this tax. What if you are wealthy enough to pay your own medical bills and don’t need insurance. You are not harming the healthcare system by not having insurance, because you are paying your own way and in fact benefitting society by lowering the burden on insurance companies and therefore (in theory) helping them lower rates for everyone else.

            Perhaps someone in such a situation can sue on this basis in the future.

            Oh, I forgot – no one is supposed to have enough money anymore to do this.

            We must be in an alternate universe now.

          • uselogic

            … in court. That would upset Roberts’ apple cart a bit, I think.

          • cbartlett

            You can choose to NOT drive a car or own a home and therefore not be subject to those particular “tax coercions” (deductions, penalties, etc.) Last time I looked, it’s pretty difficult to choose to not live and breathe. (unless, of course, you know Dr. Kovorkian…..)

          • elayman

            If you don’t want to buy insurance, then I see no problem with electing the tax – however, don’t get sick, get in an accident or have some other catastrophy hit you and then expect my taxes/insurance to pick up your tab. I am tired of paying for everyone else. Maybe the hospitals and doctors should start turning away people without insurance after this. Your actions deserve the appropriate reaction. Pay up or don’t ask for services. You are mandated to pay into some sort of social security & medicare system – be it federal or state – what is the difference here?

          • edintexas

            The difference, with FICA taxation, is people who are not engaging in labor for income (whether wages or self employment), do not pay FICA taxes.

            So this still would be the first tax levied on doing nothing but living and breathing.

          • elayman

            Agreed that the debate should center on the merits of the idea that freeloaders without healthcare who use our hospitals and ERs, and thereby raise healthcare costs for us all, have to face a penalty if they don’t buy health insurance.

          • Bill S

            I can choose to live under a bridge or in a homeless shelter and I don’t have to pay SS or Medicare tax. I can choose to be unemployed and not pay. This tax gives me no option – as cbartlett says, the fact that you consume oxygen puts you in the targets of this tax.

            It gives new meaning to the old “death and taxes” saying.

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            You’d be exempt from the penalty and would have free government paid health care regardless of your ability to work or opportunity to do so.

          • acat

            There’s no provision for a sliding-scale capitation in the constitutionally-defined taxing powers, and the 16th amendment doesn’t appear to change that…..

            Mew

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            You rent a home, you pay a penalty (and this is actually pretty close to Obama Care; in that it exists to drive economic activity and penalizes you by not participating). You don’t use energy efficient windows in that home, you pay penalty. If you decide not to procreate, you pay a penalty.

            If you make less than a certain amount, you don’t have to pay any of these penalties (because the tax code calls them deductions to try to emphasize the positives). The tax code is substantially more malleable than we realize. Now, if we want to get rid of all these deductions/penalties (seriously, one man’s deduction is another man’s penalty) and use the tax code for the purpose of funding the goverment – count me in.

          • acat

            I don’t generally think of renting as “paying a penalty”, but .. it can be phrased that way. (losing out on the mortgage deduction)

            Somehow, most folk don’t seem to complain about the mortgage deduction or the energy-efficiency deduction or the child deduction.

            Further, none of these appear to be possible under the capitation rules .. so I’m wondering if, like the War Powers act, they’ve just skated along because nobody’s really challenged ‘em even though there are flaws.

            Mew

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            or worse yet, picking winners and losers is a personal burr in my saddle. I want a more substantive conversation than “9-9-9″. Basically I should be able to in my simple mind say essentially I work 8 hrs per day and 1.5 of those hours are to pay taxes without deductions, penalties, whatever. Then I ought to decide with the other 6.5 hours whether I want to be a home buyer, insurance holder, insulate my home, etc. A great deal many bankruptcies started with “you get a tax deduction for buying a home” or “you are giving up the deduction by renting”.

          • acat

            One of my proposals is to repeal the 16th and eliminate the IRS .. and require the States to cough up the money to run the Federal behemoth… on some nice and arcane proportional (land mass, industry, population, # on welfare, # of armed services, etc.) basis.

            Let the States figure out how to get Joe Citizen free from his ca$h.

            If one State wants to go all in on a sales tax, so be it. If another wants a pure property tax, that’s great.

            Mew

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            The yahoos in Washington will just cook up something worse when the states fall behind in payments like a tariff…I just don’t want it to be an engine of social change or economic activity.

          • acat

            at least, not in a long-term permanent kind of a way.

            All we can do is to de-thatch every so often… and like a forest that hasn’t been allowed a good burn-off for a while, the tax code has a lot of accumulated deadwood that needs to go.

            Mew

          • Viet71

            FIRST – to raise revenue (95.5% of total federal revenue)

            SECOND – to influence individual behavior

            THIRD – to facilitate wealth redistribution

            There’s a simple reason we’ll never see a repeal of the 16th Amendment or a flat tax: either would rob congress of too much power (i.e., power to get incumbents re-elected).

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            especially if we ended withholding and had to write the checks. Sales tax is so small its essentially hidden and doesn’t arouse anger and is the most regressive, Property taxes mean that we never really own our property,

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            would favor replacing as much federal taxation as possible with tariffs, but I understand that would be a relatively small amount percentage-wise.

          • acat

            Need to get more skin in the game .. to somewhere around 50% of the population, the Federal Government looks like free beer.

            Mew

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            One of my liberal coworkers the other day told me…well 50% of the population shouldn’t pay federal taxes because they can’t afford too. I said “so your telling me in 4 years, Barack Obama has created so much poverty that 1/2 the country can’t afford income taxes?” That’s the great thing about liberals they never flip “Oh, Boy” over to “Not Fade Away”.

          • Viet71

            Let everyone pay at least $10 in tax. Make filing really easy for low-income-earners. Skin in the game — you are absolutely correct.

          • acat

            i.e. a “minimum tax due” of 1%, from all Americans who gross greater than 0, and we’ll get somewhere.

            If you earn a buck, you owe a cent.

            If you earn $100,000 bucks, you can use deductions and penalty-avoidance to lower it, but no lower than $1,000 .. period.

            The “floor” can be sold very nicely as a “soak the rich” plan, if we need to get some Dems on board.

            “Joe Bigbucks makes a zillion dollars a year. Right now, Joe can use tax doges and shelters to avoid paying his fair share. Under the tax floor plan, Joe will always pay at least 1/100 zillion to the goobermint.”

            Fact is, unless Joe is cheating, he’s *already* paying more than 1/100 zillion, so it’s silly to believe this will actually soak him … but it does increase the revenue.

            *More* importantly, it spreads the percentage of people paying into the system, which yields a more stable society.

            Mew

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            vt

          • acat

            because while Congress can pass a “capitation” (i.e. “head count”) tax, it looks to this non-lawyer like they can’t pass one other than a flat amount per head… and yet Obamacare is on a sliding scale.

            Given these restrictions, I don’t think the Roberts decision to keep the law in place as a tax is as simple as it first appears…. it looks, to this cat, like there’s a rather large and thorny briar patch … whether anyone gets thrown into it is open for discussion.

            Mew

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            enteaser

          • PowerToThePeople

            is that you are trying to address the wrong issue.

            I agree it gets old seeing so many leech off of us, use hospitals as “free”doctor offices, and never pay a bit of their bill. But the problem with you being OK with someone choosing to continue on without insurance choosing the tax instead is not addressing the actual issue.

            First problem with that thought process, most people pay their bills even those without insurance. They have a family doc who they go to and they do not abuse the hospital or taxpayer system. So now they will be punished for doing the right thing.

            Second, the tax does not apply to most of the people who are bums now. The ones abusing the hospital system are well beneath the salary line for being exempt. So their poor behavior will continue.

            Third, Tax or no tax, those who refuse to buy the insurance can still get free healthcare via the hospital. The hospital mooches will not decline in number, in fact they will increase. You mention hospitals turning them away, not going to happen.Opens them up to way too much litigation.

            The only way to fix this is to end the welfare system and bring back a system where hospitals who are stiffed can seize personal property including any government check. Right now they are limited to seizing state refunds and those are usually insignificant.

            We are where we are because of the “I am owed” mentality and the welfare system. Until we get the millions of the payroll of the government and go after those who do not practice self responsibility, things will never get better.

    • Jack_Savage

      It is what the tax code has become – a mechanism to regulate behavior, not to generate revenue.

      • Brookhaven

        They don’t use taxes to coerce you to do something you don’t want to do.

        You could choose to not buy a gas guzzler (or a car at all), but now the government can tax you if you fail to purchase an electric car.

        …or fail to put solar panels on your house.

        …or fail to do volunteer work.

        The government now has the power to force you to do something.

        That’s different than making it harder for you to do something you want to do.

        • tnfriendofcoal101368

          Here is an example: say you and I both made 150,000, we have the same number of kids, live on the same block, except you purchased you home and I am renting mine. Your tax burden is 20,000; mine is 25,000. I paid a 5,000 penalty for making the decision to rent. Your “deduction” was in fact a “penalty” for me.

    • renl57

      Mathematically, a tax credit for activity is equal to a penalty for inactivity–provided that the tax credit is offset by general tax hikes to keep it revenue neutral.

      For example, a penalty of $500 for NOT insulating your home is equivalent to raising everybody’s taxes by $500 and then granting a $500 tax credit for insulating someone else’s home.

      Which is exactly what the Government has done.

      Tax credits and tax deductions are NOT free money. They are *subsidies*, paid for by other taxpayers who don’t qualify for those tax breaks–or by adding onto the Federal deficit and getting paid by others in the future.

      We already have this. Remove the loaded words like “penalty” and credit”, and just look at the numbers:

      You pay $7,500 more in taxes if you don’t buy an electric car than if you do.

      You pay more in taxes if you don’t have any medical expenses than if you do.

      You pay more in taxes if you don’t insulate your home than if you do.

      A couple may pay more in taxes if they’re not married than if they are married.

      And at the state and local level, while they couldn’t get away with imposing a penalty on smokers, they can sure slap a heavy sales tax on cigarettes. Which has exactly the same effect.

      Since before any of us were born, governments have used tax policy to reward some behaviors and to punish other behaviors.

      Even Milton Friedman–no liberal–had advocated replacing EPA regulations with pollution taxes. Rather than EPA bureaucrats micro-managing coal plants, slap such heavy taxes on their production of pollution that they would have to cut back on pollution.

      Is that so different from imposing a penalty on coal plants? I don’t think so.

      It’s only different when the penalty involves more than just money, say jail time.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

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    • Dave_A

      When, recognizing that the 2nd Ammendment protected automatic weapons, firearms suppressors, short-barreled weapons and ‘gadget guns’ from a complete ban, Congress slapped a $200 tax on them.

      $200 in 1934 dollars – on what was often a less than $200 weapon – was enough to discourage most Americans from purchasing these weapons, thus enacting a ‘most-of-the-way-ban’ without actually doing so.

      A similar approach was taken in the first drug laws, since at the time Wickard v Fillburn was not on the books & the Congress did not see constitutional authority to ban drugs outright – but they could tax them and refuse to accept payment for the tax, thus banning them indirectly.

      Finally, in modern law, the tobacco tax is a coercive tax, now intended almost entirely to force people to stop smoking.

      • edintexas

        If you don’t wish to smoke, you don’t pay the tax. If you don’t wish to buy a Class II weapon, you don’t pay the tax. These are not taxes on inactivity. And while the tax on drugs is intended to ban them, people who are not buying drugs (were they legal to buy) would not be paying the tax.

  • littlehouse18

    Here’s the link to York’s article:

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/york-roberts-dodge-at-heart-of-obamacare-decision/article/2500925

    A commenter had this very interesting comment (quoting York first):

    “So the court, on its own, tapped a Washington
    attorney to make the argument that the penalty was a tax and therefore the case should not go ahead.”

    This is a fascinating comment, the likes for detectives. This means Roberts didn’t flip at the last minute, but the insurance powers or Obama hacks behind Obamacare knew Roberts’ complaints about the commerce clause, so they set up a legal swindle for him to rubber stamp ObamaFascistCare. I use rubber stamp loosely, because at least rubber is real, while Roberts’ logic is just super-sophistry.

    This also means that if, and I mean if, he misled his “conservative” justices to the end about his position, his misleading was long-planned, not a last minute flip. The “liberal” ones should be unhappy with this possible skullduggery too.

    I hope Mr. York and others pursue this angle and see if Roberts’ game was long planned. It would mean the last minute “flip” was just a long planned trick. ”

    Wow. Could this be?

    • http://www.baseballcrank.com Dan McLaughlin

      First of all, while it does not happen in that many cases, it’s not unusual for the Court to appoint an attorney to make an argument that is important to the case but that, for various reasons, nobody is making. They appointed two here: one to argue that the mandate was a tax for Anti-Injunction Act purposes (the argument you refer to, which Roberts rejected) and one to argue that only the mandate should be struck down (the Administration was arguing that if the mandate goes down, community rating and guaranteed issue should go with it).

  • UpLateAgain

    The government can ill be trusted view a newfound authority to enforce or coerce behavior through taxes rather than application of criminal law is something that inherently should be viewed with scepticism. If they want something passed into law, and cannot find a politically acceptable way to enforce it otherwise…. they’ll just create the ‘enforcement tax’, and be willing to stand on Roberts’ decision as precedent for withstanding a court challenge.

    Roberts said Congress could not require a transaction under the Commerce Clause, but could tax you individually for not engaging in commerce.

    Call me cynical. Roberts has effectively given the government a big club that can be used effectively without regard to the Constitution until another court reverses him…. and I just don’t trust them to not take advantage of that.

  • littlehouse18

    to clearly define limits on the definition of a tax – what it cannot be – preferably drawn up by conservatives.

    Taxes on behavior and inactivity are sinister. The logic employed allows for tax on being overweight, not joining an exercise program, having too many kids (eg, 2 or more) , ad infinitum. Till the government owns all property and people too.

    • checkmate2012

      is needed. What we don’t have is a way to limit the SC from twisting a statute to pass Constitutional muster, including the SC not using the existing taxation limitations.

  • JSobieski

    Thanks!

    • acat

      We now have a limit on the Commerce Clause.

      We do not have one on the limits of taxation .. yet .. but there is not a reason, in this decision, to believe one does not exist.

      Mew

      • civil truth

        …when such taxation was overly coercive such that it prevented individual choice, for instance (curiously paralleling the Medicaid decision). He didn’t spell them out, though, in keeping with keeping the decision narrowly focused – and the lack of a majority to agree on those limits.

      • JSobieski

        nt

        • acat

          that I’m happy about this decision?

          I’m not.

          I’m ready to move on to the next stage of the fight.

          The way I see it, Roberts gave us an opportunity…. and standing around whining about how he “threw away the constitution” or “is a traitor to conservatism” or “it’s all bush’s fault” is … a waste of time.

          So, I’m moving on.

          The next stage is political, specifically getting as many conservatives into Congress as we can to hold the president’s feet over a blowtorch … regardless of which candidate wins the white house.

          Mew

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            The King should have given in detail how he will rule his Kingdom by fiat for the next 4 years if given the chance. We don’t get the option to be lazy anywhere now…

          • JSobieski

            Vastly different than giving us an opportunity.

            Roberts gave us remarkably little, and he took from us quite a bit.

            Net taker.

            Your characterization of a star player who fumbles the ball and causes the other to be up by 3 touchdowns at halftime as an opportunity is a characterization I do not concur with.

          • acat

            If your opinions are based on him somehow being the Michael Jordan of judges, perhaps that’s where the differences between us start, eh?

            If you want to put it in basketball terms, Scalia and Alito are Jordan and Pippen … Roberts is at *best* a useful center….

            Mew

          • aesthete

            In an alternate dimension where conservatives didn’t howl at the Bush administration’s choice of Harriet Myers, Bizarro Acat is arguing that Harriet Myers was the very best that GWB could put up for us, and that there wasn’t a chance of someone like, say, Alito getting through Congress.

            Alito, by the way, joined the dissent.

            What evidence do you have that we couldn’t have gotten through a better nominee? The guy who appointed him wasn’t exactly an ?berconservative — if anything, he’s 2 for 2 for bad nominees, when considering the Myers fiasco.

          • acat

            I will remind you that the Roberts appointment came before the Miers/Alito bit .. but not by much..

            I will further remind you that, at the time, Red State was quite convinced that Roberts was a first-string player.

            Mew

          • civil truth

            I remember there being a whole lot of maneuvering around the Chief Justice post versus a regular Justice post that also opened up shortly thereafter. The commentary at that time was saying that Alioto would have had a much more difficult time had he been picked for the Chief Justice post.

            No use second-guessing – it did seem like a good idea at the time. At least we stopped the crony nominee.

          • JSobieski

            Why spend the last 24 hours trying to make him sound like some kind of chess genius.

            His opinion in my opinion is defensible, but unfortunate.

            He didn’t set us up with anything worth having. Not saying that was his job, but you make it sound like we should thank him—and that is not the tone of this diary.

            This diary says thank Thomas, and be very very very scared.

          • acat

            There is an opportunity in the Roberts decision.

            It is a political one, not a legal one.

            You, evidently, do not see it, alas.

            Mew

          • Viet71

            nootext

          • aesthete

            everything is an opportunity.

            OBL attacking 9/11 was an opportunity to take the Islamist threat more seriously.

            A hypothetical SC ruling to uphold a hypothetical ban on Christianity is an opportunity for Republicans to turn out the social conservative vote.

            I don’t give the creators or facilitators of misfortune credit for conditions which *might*, in some idealized long run, end in better outcomes.

            At any rate, the measure by which a SC Justice is doing his job properly is more process based than outcome based.

          • civil truth

            That said, some are offered by good fortune, others by adversity – so not saying that it was upfront a good thing that we have the opportunity.

            A paraphrase of Roman 8:28, perhaps…

          • Viet71

            noootext

          • aesthete

            as “wise”.

            It amazes me how many intelligent people are failing to see this.

          • acat

            Did Roberts write Obamacare?
            Did Roberts sign it into law?

            This sophistry is time wasting silliness on your part.

            The one to blame is Obama.
            The one to replace is Obama.

            I don’t confuse the replacement, Romney, with anything other than a useful guy to sign a good bill .. so more important than getting rid of Obama is getting seats in the Senate.

            As I said around here somewhere, the Roberts decision removes another Obama-desired distraction (Obama screaming “activist court!” .. ) while at the same time pinning Dems like butterflies to a board. McCaskill’s already in full-on panic mode.

            Mew

          • aesthete

            Punks from gangland vandalize my car and my house. Anguished, I turn to a repair company which advertises itself as doing repairs on vandalized homes. I hire them with the expectation that they will repair my home as they have advertised. I come back to find that they haven’t done their jobs, and have no intention of doing their job despite the fact that I hired them. They are the only game in town, and I can’t appeal to anyone else. I talk to my friend about this situation and vent about the players involved. My friend stops me, tells me to stop being stupid, and that there’s no reason to be disappointed with the performance of the repair company and its employees — after all, it was gangs that caused the damage! Why, now my other friend Steve might be able to get elected as mayor on an anti-gang platform!

            Do you see how I might be miffed at my friend for missing the reason for my ire?

            The SC’s express function — since at least the Marshall Court — has been to decide cases based on their Constitutionality. Nowhere in the job description for Chief Justice can we find, “make the job of Romney’s campaign staff easier”. Just as I would expect the SC to overturn legislation banning Christianity (and be furious if they allowed it to stand), so too I expect it do exercise its core function in this case. I do not expect or desire a politically convenient result en se, *especially* when the politically convenient result, while changing the composition of the Senate and the House, won’t result in the repeal of legislation which I believe to be un-Constitutional.

            Roberts isn’t running for office. If your thought process was what he was thinking as he wrote his opinion, then he was operating as a partisan agent and not as a Justice, and should never have been appointed. That is the way that courts operate in Chavez’ Venezuela and unfree countries, where courts are an outgrowth of the reigning monarch’s will or some other special interest. In the US, I expect better.

          • acat

            I pointed out that there are upsides to the Roberts decision.

            I will further point out that the very idea that the Supreme Court would overturn this monstrosity was – back in early 2010 – not seen as a possibility, let alone a likelihood by many…. including here on Red State.

            I see the change in attitude, i.e. “there are limits!” as a positive, I see the limit on the commerce clause as a clear positive.

            Yes, there are negatives, but .. so what? This was always “plan B”.

            To use your analogy, this was the “buy a bunch of pizzas, invite a bunch of friends, and try to do it yourself” cleanup effort…. and it didn’t work out. Your next call is to the ServiceMaster guys to do a professional job. That’d be We The People, in November.

            Mew

          • Viet71

            nooootext

          • aesthete

            Whatever else is going on, there are some people (JSob, for example) who are engaging the issue substantively.

            It can’t all be chalked up to anger, and that’s a way of delegitimizing a point of view that is within the realm of reason, esp considering the confusion about the issue (even among lawyers). I will note that of the three lawyers to post front-page diaries on the issue, two of them were negative (Dan and Thomas). I won’t say I’m unemotional about the issue, but I have read both the majority opinion and the dissent, and can say that I’m at least as well-informed about precedent as any of the non-lawyers in this discussion (including acat). JSob is much better informed than I am, and is himself a lawyer.

            I’m not going to hang Roberts in effigy, but neither will I lie to myself and say that he did us any favors or that he ruled correctly. If you would like to explain why you think Roberts’ decision is a good one, feel free to do so — but one-liners implying that everyone who doesn’t share your viewpoint is angry detract from reasoned conversation.

          • aesthete

            Roberts could have doodled a picture of Spiderman fighting Bugs Bunny and it would have had exactly the same legal ramifications as his musings on the Commerce Clause: none at all.

            When RS starts posting diaries about what We the People should do going forward, I’ll be a part of that discussion. In the meantime, the discussion about whether this issue was decided correctly is an important one, and one that you are not engaging as well as you could be.

          • acat

            and rather more important than a doodle.

            Go ahead and show me how any of the doodles on Red State will have more impact than a fart in a tornado, aesthete.

            This is a waste of time.

            Mew

          • JSobieski

            I agree that we have an opportunity to fix this thing.

            I vehemently disagree that the opportunity was given to us by Roberts or that Roberts did anything to provide us with anything besides ache and disappointment.

          • acat

            a legal limit to just how far the Dems can twist it.

            The idea that the supremes would save us from our political {copulation}-ups is a silly one, that’s not their job – as Roberts said.

            The solution needs to be a political one. Roberts provided political hay by the ton.

            Clearly, we disagree on this, but splitting hairs over how I choose to phrase things is not a solid argument.

            Mew

          • JSobieski

            page 49
            http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf

            The proposition that Roberts said anyting to limit the power of federal tax power is wishful thinking.

          • americanviewpoint

            X

          • aesthete

            on other threads as a “wise” and “far-reaching” one, and challenged people whose only posting on the subject was regarding the decision being a bad one (I’m not one of those people, btw; I wrote at length about various things besides the decision on the thread I’m thinking about).

            How can it be a “wise” decision, and a terrible one at one?

          • acat

            I think the short-term result is terrible, it leaves too much unclear.

            I think the longer-term result is entirely dependent on what we do next.

            If the majority of “conservatives” are satisfied to have a two minute hate on Roberts then .. we’re {copulated} .. and that would also be terrible, and traceable to this decision.

            I dispute Sobieski’s assertion that this decision is purely terrible.

            Mew

          • aesthete
          • aesthete

            I agree with JSob that given precedent, this was a justifiable decision, if a weak and somewhat arbitrary one when it comes to the taxation aspect of the majority decision.

            I don’t agree that it was “wise” or that it did us any favors.

          • poorwilber

            The posts about all the lemon squeezing to make lemonade and…. the breathtaking genius of Robert’s….. playing 3D chess on three boards while the rest of us are spinning marbles. Its nauseating.

            I think this mental condition is called denial.

          • aesthete

            “playing 3D chess on three boards while the rest of us are spinning marbles”

            Perhaps he’s playing against Spock?

          • http://www.baseballcrank.com Dan McLaughlin

          • acat

            For many years now, we have had a lively and enlightening debate over the history, scope and limiting principles applicable to the Commerce Clause. By using the taxing power to justify ? through the backdoor ? a mandate to buy insurance that Congress could not enact directly via the Commerce Clause, the Supreme Court may have opened the door to expansive future uses of the taxing power. But the majority did not justify with any convincing analysis its view that the taxing power actually extends that far, nor did the joint dissent offer a meaningful reason to believe that it does not. It will now fall to academics, legal commentators, and in the long run courts and legislators to work out the still-uncharted bounds of how far Congress can go in using its power to tax as a power to regulate.

            The legal points are two:

            1) There is a determined limit to the commerce clause.
            2) There is a limit, but it is not yet determined, to the taxation clause.

            Some of the political points, which J. Sobieski seems to overlook are:

            1) Removes a potential scapegoat for Obama to run against
            2) Removes any ambiguity about whether this is a tax.
            3) All but hands the election to Romney.
            4) Provides campaign ads against every single Dem who voted for Obamacare.

            Assuming a good showing in November, and that we can maintain some momentum, this should lead to ….

            1) Repeal of Obamacare
            2) A less cringeworthy overhaul of the broken health insurance system. (including tort, malpractice, and state line issues)

            If we’re very lucky, we’ll also get….

            1) A self-imposed limit on how far the power to tax really goes.

            Are you and J. Sobieski speaking of this purely in legal terms? I’ve been rather clear that I’m not looking at it that way.

            Mew

          • aesthete

            Roberts’ musings on the CC and Necessary and Proper are just as relevant to the legal situation going forward as my musings on the same topic. When it comes to precedent, the only part of the decision that matters is what Roberts based his decision on: in that respect, this is a significant affirmation of a very broad reading of the taxing power.

            Readers’ Digest version:

            Commerce Clause: unchanged

            Taxing power: enhanced and expanded

            At best, this helps us politically for one election cycle. Suffice it to say, if indeed Roberts was analyzing this politically, not only was he abandoning his job as CJ — he is also a terrible player of the game, given the trade-off.

          • acat

            provides a limit to the commerce clause.

            That is a net good.

            Mew

          • aesthete

            which tell me otherwise.

            Dicta do not affect future rulings on the Commerce Clause going forward.

            What’s your proof to the contrary?

          • aesthete

            “Dicta in this sense are not binding under the principle of stare decisis, but tend to have a strong persuasive effect, either by being in an authoritative decision, stated by an authoritative judge, or both.”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictum

            IOW, judges can cite and be influenced by dicta if they wish, but are under no compulsion to do so. Plenty of dicta (even within the past 10 years) has been tossed to the wayside by both lower courts and the SC itself.

            Not binding. Just words said by an important man.

          • JSobieski

            Of course, the fact that those 5 votes were split into two opinions isn’t helpful—-but it is still “binding”. Especially since the rationales on the commerce clause are consistent.

            Of course its a 5-4 decision on that point, and that is unofficially its own special subgroup of vulnerable precedent.

            For another high profile 5 votes/multiple opinions case, check out Bakke
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regents_of_the_University_of_California_v._Bakke

            Bakke is one of the textbook messes that Roberts wanted to avoid, but ironically—-he created the same thing.

          • checkmate2012

            the CC statement from Roberts was an independent viewpoint, and not joined by the majority, meaning the opinion of the court.

            aesthete’s statements below are indeed correct:

            “Readers? Digest version:
            Commerce Clause: unchanged
            Taxing power: enhanced and expanded”

            Politics may prove fruitful in light of this decision but it doesn’t change what the Court set as precedence. I do agree that the only limiting principle is to elect conservatives from now on…but that won’t always work as we already know.

          • acat

            says that the commerce clause is limited.

            Mew

          • windwaker24

            We don’t like it when the left pulls this kind of stuff to advance their interests through the Courts. Why should we be cheering Roberts? He rewrote the healthcare law to “benefit” us (I don’t share this view. He did it to protect himself.), the same way the left writes things into the Constitution to “benefit” themselves. As constitutional conservatives, we should be mad as heck, no matter who does this and who it benefits!

            With Obama’s executive privledge gambit is coming up in the courts in a couple of months, is it now okay for an judge who may like Obama and want him reelected to rule in his favor in order to protect him, despite what the law says “Executive priviledge cannot be used to cover wrongdoing”?

            If your answer is no, then don’t excuse Roberts for his supposed “benefit”.

          • JSobieski

            Just wanted to clarify my position on such things.

            The Roberts opinion is not some type of political fraud. It is a defensible position. However, given the landmark case, and given the expectations that we had of Roberts and the case generally—the opinion is a disappointment.

            It is not a blasphemy against God and all that is holy.
            Nor is it a special opportunity outside of any other trouncing that one can receive in live.

            Its no how hard you can hit, its how hard you can get hit and still get up.

            I was hopeful that Roberts would help us fix the problem of out of control government. It is clear now that he won’t.

            What are the odds that Roberts would overturn Roe? I suspect less than 25%.

          • JSobieski

            embarassing errors . . .

          • aesthete

            Strangely enough, I think I would have been more at peace with the decision if it had been Kennedy joining the majority and Roberts in dissent.

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            Whatever one thinks of Kennedy, he is fairly predictable on individual rights and freedoms. This is why he will frustrate the heck out of most conservatives on abortion or gay marriage but on three separate occasions he attempted to end McCain/Feingold and voted against Obama care. Most justices have a baseline of what the constitution means. I think we are seeing for Roberts, it is he will give wide latitude to laws passed by the legislature and signed by the President. Originally, even on Citizens United, Roberts wanted to go small ball and was convinced by the other Justices in the majority to allow Kennedy and Scalia’s wider view to carry the day.

          • jimmyg

            It is understandable how it might appear that limits were placed on the commerce clause. It is certainly instructive to congress in that the Court will not likely allow a Statute to regulate inactivity. I tend to agree with Prof. Jacobson’s view that the discussion is not a holding of the case in that it was not necessary to finding ACA constitutional.In other words the Court could have simply found the ACA constitutional by upholding it based on the taxing power of congress, without a mention of the Commerce Clause.

            Prof. Jacobson stated as much in his analysis of the ruling;
            “Those rulings arguably were not essential to the decision. Once the Court (the Chief Justice and the four liberal Justices) found that the mandate was justified under the power of Congress to tax, the Court could have stopped right there, declined to address the Commerce and Necessary and Proper Clause arguments, and the result would have been the same. Indeed, the four liberal Justices in the majority on the tax issue were in the dissent on the other issues.”

            http://legalinsurrection.com/

            Prof. Chemerinsky came to a different conclusion, albiet from a different point of viiew;

            “Second, five justices said that the individual mandate is outside the scope of the commerce power. From one perspective, this is just dicta because the Court upheld the individual mandate on other grounds. But Chief Justice Roberts said that he needed to decide this in order to justify interpreting the individual mandate as a tax. That seems a dubious justification for his addressing the commerce power or making his discussion a holding. But putting that aside, five justices said that Congress cannot regulate inactivity.”

            http://www.pointoflaw.com/

            Prof.Schwinn splits the baby by opining that pursuant to the “Marks Rule” Roberts discussion about the commerce clause is not a holding of the case, but states that even if it is determined to be a holding, only limits congress from regulating inactivity;

            “If everybody agrees that this is an exceptional case, Chief Justice Roberts’s restriction on the Commerce Clause–that Congress can’t regulate inactivity without a background interstate market–applies only in the rarest of circumstances. Other than the very unusual hypos the Court tested at oral argument–a market for burial services (justifying a requirement to buy burial insurance), a market for emergency services (justifying a requirement to buy a cell phone to dial 911), and, of course, a market for food (justifying a requirement to buy broccoli)–this restriction will have no effect on congressional authority.”

            http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/conlaw/commerce_clause/

            The Court’s opinion had something for everyone.

          • Viet71

            From this viewpoint, his discussion of the Commerce Clause and the N and P Clause is not mere dicta — not mere words unnecessary to decide the case. If the mandate were to have been upheld under the Commerce Clause and the N and P Clause, and also under the taxing power, Roberts’ opinion would have been much, much different.

            The idea that Roberts could have ignored the Commerce Clause and the N and P Clause is absurd; the government rested its case on these. So did the plaintiff.

          • jimmyg

            I am going to disagree with you. I believe that most Appellate Courts will attempt to find statutes constitutional, if they can, and if they find it constitutional, as in this case via the taxing power, why address the other issues. The Govt. argued that the statute was constitutional under the taxing power, as well as the commerce clause. It was helpful that the Court gave guidance to Congress as to the limits of the Commerce Clause as it relates to inactivity,I believe it is dicta and not part of holding of the case.

            Fundamentally, Roberts discussion on the Commerce Clause is limited in the sense that he stated that Congress cannot regulate inactivity through the Commerce Clause. In 200 plus years the Court did not have to address this issue, and it is unlikely that they will have to address it in the future.

    • mcsul

      Thank you. This is the first article I’ve read that explains that neither the majority nor the dissent have clear precedent on their side re: the tax argument. Going through the list of support that both sides have was informative.

      Two questions, though:

      1) Given the ambiguity, how much of this was then Roberts defaulting to the Court’s traditional stance that “when in doubt, Congress gets the tie”? That seems to be a longstanding tradition but it’s not clear from the opinion if that was the case.

      2) (Apologies if this is an uninformed question.) Are there any existing limits to how Congress can use the taxation power that weren’t raised in either the opinion or the dissent? (Or that haven’t been raised in the last 24 hours of media furor.)

      • cbartlett

        If this whole issue comes down to being treated as a tax, how/why did the court even hear this now? I thought a tax had to be imposed (this one hasn’t kicked in yet) AND someone has to challenge the tax based on how they have been “hurt” or damaged in some way because of the tax? Seems like if Roberts wants to call this a tax, the entire court should have been required to throw the whole thing out until after the tax is implemented. I am SO confused!!!

  • olsmithie

    nt

    • acat

      (null)

    • checkmate2012

      for him to campaign on now since it shows he CAN accomplish something. I hope the One takes his advice along with the other’s advice of running on Stimulus and GM!

    • synergist777

      The Supreme Court says that it’s only legal if it’s a tax. If the White House is insisting that it is not a tax, then the White House is therefore stating that the law is not Constitutional, and therefore null and void. Barack Obama should be thanked for straightening this whole thing out.

  • dajeeps

    If we could just herd everything that falls outside of them into the taxing power and call it a day? It would seem to me that that is an issue of construction that ignores the context of the enumerated powers by interpreting each individual general power in the broadest sense possible, which Thomas Jefferson thought was incorrect. He stated in is dissent on the United States bank that each of the general powers must by interpreted to give some meaning to the rest of the document, which would lace the government up straightly withing the enumerated powers. By that definition, a tax isn’t a tax unless it supports the carrying our of the enumerated powers. Any other construction would render them meaningless/useless.

  • aesthete

    Excellent, concise, and informative explanation of the majority opinion and the dissent.

    • http://www.baseballcrank.com Dan McLaughlin

      nt

  • publious

    “It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.”– Chief Justice John Roberts, p. 6, National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius.

  • Aileene

    Suppose Obama is reelected and the ACA goes into effect. Couldn’t people who have to pay the tax/penalty in 2014 challenge the constitutionality of it, thereby reopening the question of the tax/not-tax status of the penalty? Or, would the suit be tossed on the basis of yesterday’s ruling?

    • http://www.baseballcrank.com Dan McLaughlin

      but almost certainly the courts would throw the case out under this decision.

      • Aileene

        Still, the decision has an unfinished quality about it, as if the majority, especially Roberts, anticipated opportunities to revisit the issues in future cases. The law is so vague with so many details of policy and implementation left up to the secretary of HHS that it’s bound to generate a significant number of lawsuits. One clear opening is in Roberts’s reference to the amount of the tax/penalty. If the penalty were to be increased to something ridiculous like a 10% surcharge on adjusted gross income surely taxpayers would challenge it as no longer meeting the criteria that Roberts set forth in judging it to be a tax rather than a penalty. He clearly stated that, if it were a penalty, it would be unconstitutional.

      • windwaker24

        and make Roberts explain his opinion. This “not a tax, hey, it’s a tax” doesn’t make sense. Also, what kind of tax is it? It cannot be an excise tax because it not a tax on a physical thing. Inactivity is intangible. Excise taxes cannot be taxes on the person. Is this a direct tax? Are they constitutional? Roberts, in my opinion, created more questions than answers.

        • http://joeeder.com joedr

          so Obamacare is an unconstitutional tax and should be rejected on that grounds.

          Why did the SCOTUS not carry through on on that principle when ACA originated in the Senate?

          SCOTUS did not follow the reasoning to its ultimate conclusion, leaving the ACA challengable on Constitutional grounds.

          Seems like the taxation committees in the House could file a challenge under that reasoning and win.

  • ss396

    The Articles of Confederation showed that they could not rely on the good will of the individual States in order to obtain the necessary revenues. They determined that the national government needed the power to tax, but could not agree among themselves on how to resolve the issue of limiting taxes.

    So they did the only thing that they could. They put the determination of the limits to taxation in the hands of the people. This limit is clearly expressed in the first sentence of Article 1, Section 2. The practicality of applying this remedy is seriously debatable, but that is what we have for the limits on Congress’ powers. That clause is precisely why the Constitution compels bills for revenue to originate in the House.

    • septembergurl

      The Founders put the tax power in the House so that the voters would have a remedy directly at the polls.

      This decision does not limit or expand the tax power of Congress. What it does is to place the ACA back in the hands of the voters, by finding that the mandate is a tax.

      This was a valuable diary, remarkably lucid on this difficult subject. Thanks!

  • doncorleone

    Isn’t that what he’s guilty of? He’s allowed this monstrosity to continue. Why? To show the American people that elections have consequences? His job is to protect and uphold the Constitution, when people in high office do not, and thru the 1st amendment, people can grieve their grievences, provided their arguments, are sound, and high in tensile strength, to survive the process, up to and including going before the supreme court. It peeves me greatly, that we the contributors in this country, are going to have to redouble our efforts. Because, a supposed conservative, decides that the commerce clause, includes taxation thru inactivity.

  • fromthesidelines

    Logically, getting a tax break for engaging in certain activities is identical to getting a tax penalty for not engaging in certain activities. Giving things diferent names does not make them different. Whether one calls it a “penalty”, “mandate”, “tax”, “Frank” or “Sally” is irrelevant.

    The fact of the matter is that the government has long has the right to use the tax code to encourage certain activities (own a home, hold long-term cap gains, have kids, etc) over which it has not the direct right to regulate. The so-called “mandate” is no different. Thus, the “mandate” (or, “tax”, or “Frank”, or “Sally”, or whatever you want to call it) represents neither a new infringement on personal liberty nor broad expansion of federal power.

    You might believe using the tax code in this way is a bad idea. But you can’t argue its unconsituational. If “penalizing” someone for not owning a home is constitutional, then so is “penalizing” someone for not having health care. That is exactly the reasoning by which the law was upheld. Roberts was right.

    • runner12

      Encouraging one to do something and penalizing someone for not doing something are two different things.

      What you are speaking of are called tax incentives. The ACA tax is a penalizing tax for those who do not do a certain activity. It would be like taxing someone because they did not buy a certain car or eat a certain vegetable. It is punitive in nature.

      Secondly, Roberts cannot logically argue that it is a tax for the purpose of Constitutionality and in another paragraph declare it not a tax for the purpose of the AIA. It is convoluted.

      • Aileene

        Congressional Democrats could have based health care reform on tax incentives. They have much precedent for doing so. But they know that incentives are too weak to result in universal participation because those at the lower end of the income spectrum do not benefit all that much from tax incentives. Because universal participation was critical to the reforms they believed were necessary, the Democrats intentionally chose a mandate coupled with a financial penalty instead of tax credits or some other kind of incentive. I’m not a lawyer, so I can’t say if, legally, taxing a non-behavior is the same as providing an incentive for its reprical behavior. However, as a psychologist, I can assure that the effects of aversives on behavior are quite different from those of incentives. Aversives have much stronger effects on behavior than incentives do.

        • fromthesidelines

          I don’t doubt that aversives have stronger emotional impacts that incentives. I’m sure you’re right about that. But, disproportionate adverse emotional impacts are simply not a factor to the question of constitutionality.

          When it comes to the law, all that matters is logic.

          And, logically, a gained incentive = an avoided penalty.

          -1 * -1 = 1

          Personally, I believe both Romney and Obama chose to frame the tax as a “mandate” for the obvious political reasons.

          No matter how you slice it, the simple reality is this —

          In 2013, our president will be someone that raised taxes to create a government program for the purpose of expanding the pool of people covered by health insurance.

          This isn’t an issue of liberty. Its an issue of policy.

          • Aileene

            Forcing an individual to spend money for a product he doesn’t want diminishes his liberty. You can argue that the social benefit of universal participation outweighs the individual’s diminished liberty, but you can’t deny that the cost exists.

          • fromthesidelines

            .. then, yes, it would logically follow that tax penalties reduce liberty also.

            For example, you may believe that your freedom to not be a homeowner is compromised by the homeowners tax break. Fair enough, then it is logical to also believe the same way about the health care mandate / tax / penalty/etc.But you can’t believe one without the other.

            We have long had a discriminatory tax code. Our tax code discriminates against non-homeowners, childless couples, people who cannot hold capital gains for a minimum period of time, people who make most of their money through salaried positions, people who are independent contractors, etc, etc. This is simply not new. You may disagree with it as a matter of policy, but you can’t argue its a new.

            If using the tax code to encourage/discourage private behavior is an issue of liberty, it is one that already existed long before ACA, and will still exist regardless of whether ACA appealed.

            Which, again, is why Roberts was right.

          • aesthete

            Roberts acknowledges in his decision that a “tax” can become onerous enough and detached enough from the purposes of raising revenue, that it can be a penalty instead of a tax. I suppose a theoretical example of that would be a 100% tax on all books with a tax exemption for books proclaiming the glories of Obama, but Roberts never says.

            Why isn’t the ACA mandate a penalty instead of a tax? As has been said several times in the past few days, this would be the largest tax on the middle class in history. That seems quite onerous to me. It is also clearly not written with the intent of raising revenue. IMO, Roberts wanted to find a way to rule the ACA as Constitutional, and didn’t want to use the Commerce Clause. It’s certainly a defensible decision, but given the tax/penalty criteria set forth by Roberts and how vague they are, I think that the mandate could easily have been considered a penalty.

          • aesthete

            This is from the dissent in the same case:

            “Our cases establish a clear line between a tax and a penalty: “[A] tax is an enforced contribution to provide for the support of government; a penalty . . . is an exaction imposed by statute as punishment for an unlawful act.” In a few cases, this Court has held that a “tax” imposed upon private conduct was so onerous as to be in effect a penalty. But we have never held?never?that a penalty imposed for violation of the law was so trivial as to be in effect a tax. We have never held that any exaction imposed for violation of the law is an exercise of Congress’ taxing power?even when the statute calls it a tax, much less when (as here) the statute repeatedly calls it a penalty. When an act “adopt[s] the criteria of wrongdoing” and then imposes a monetary penalty as the “principal consequence on those who transgress its standard,” it creates a regulatory penalty, not a tax.

            So the question is, quite simply, whether the exaction here is imposed for violation of the law. It unquestionably is.”

          • runner12

            Let me be more direct. Do you believe it is Constitutional for the Federal government to tax you for any non-compliance they deem necessary? Because that is what the Roberts ruling did. It opened the door, legally to an aggregious power grab all in the name of taxation.

            Not only that, but it is a tax on our person, not on a good or service. They are not taxing the health care industry, they are taxing us.

            A few more questions:

            Do you think it is right to raid MediCare to pay for another program?

            Do you think it is right to tax families who have children with Special Needs?

            Because the ACA, among other horrible things, does just that.

          • runner12

            Oh, and fromthesidelines we know that fromtheleft would be a more accurate moniker. Please just come out and be honest about it. I am confident that I am correct in my reasoning, simply because the Constitution backs it up, as well as common sense and logic.

            How about yourself?

          • fromthesidelines

            I like direct questions.

            1.) Do you believe it is Constitutional for the Federal government to tax you for any non-compliance they deem necessary?

            No. And nor does Roberts. Roberts calls out the narrow confines within which a tax inducement must remain in order to be considered constitutional.

            As Roberts says: “Neither the Affordable Care Act nor any other law attaches negative legal consequences to not buying health insurance, beyond requiring a payment to the IRS.”

            As such, the tax inducement to own health insurance, as the law is currently written, is indistinguishable from many other such tax inducements that already exist, and as such does not represent a clear expansion of federal power.

            Furthermore, by calling out these narrow confines, Roberts is stating that other such tax inducements must likewise fall within these narrow confines as well. If someone changes the law to expand the penalty beyond these narrow confines, then it would no longer be constitutional.

            So, no — Congress cannot tax anyone for non-compliance with anything. And, Roberts makes that clear in his opinion. The ACA, as it is actually written, falls within narrow the relatively confines within which a tax inducement can be considered constitutional, and so it is.

            2.) Do you think it is right to raid MediCare to pay for another program?… to tax families who have children with Special Needs?

            I think this — just because a law is horrible doesn’t make it unconstitutional.

          • runner12

            on why Roberts is wrong. To paraphrase, a penalty for an illegal act has never in our nation’s history been called a tax. The ACA mandates that anyone who does not buy insurance, is in violation of Federal law, thus constituting an illegal act by that definition. The punishment is a fine, not a tax.

            The quote from Roberts is absurd from the outset. He claims that no negative consequence arises from non-compliance, other than the pesky little thing called a fine enforced by the IRS. How is the government taking my money for not obeying their command NOT a negative consequence? Explain that one away.

            Additionally, Roberts makes a mockery of logic when on the one hand he claims it is a tax for the purposes of constitutionality and yet not for the purposes of the AIA. Ridiculous.

            Both you and Roberts are wrong.

          • fromthesidelines

            But, the logic regarding the different “tests” for AIA as opposed to constitutionality make sense on closer examination.

            AIA is not a constitutional limit, its simply a law of Congress. Therefore the question with regards to AIA is not one of constitutionality, but rather whether ACA mandate as designed by Congress was intended to be subjected to the AIA. If the Congress chose to call it a penalty rather than a tax, Roberts concludes that Congress intentionally wrote the law so that it would not be subjected to its own prescribed limitations as described in the AIA. Simply put, its not the job of the Supreme Court to second-guess Congress’s choice of words with regards to matters solely within Congress’ jurisdictional domain.

            However, with regards to constitutionality of the law itself, which obviously is within the Supreme Court’s jurisdictional domain, Congress’ choice of words do not matter. They can’t matter. If simply changing a label made a law constitutional, then the constitution itself ceases to be. When one takes that view, ignoring Congress’ choice of words entirely, one sees that the practical effect of mandate is that it is a tax inducement indistinguishable from any others that already exist. Congress has a right to offer such tax inducements, and so its constitutional.

            Congress, clearly, used terminology to obscure the law’s true intent for political reasons. If such trickery were sufficient to circumvent the Constitution, the Constitution would be a meaningless document.

            That’s why, for the purposes of constitutionality, whether you call it a “tax”, a “mandate”, a “penalty”, “Frank” or “Sally” is irrelevant. The constitutionality of a law is only based what it actually does and how actually it does it. Thank goodness for that.

          • garfieldjl

            If we carry what the ruling was to its logical conclusion. Many of us have to drive cars, government therefore has every right to say we must buy a Chevy Volt or we have to pay a tax.

            We all have to eat, Government therefore has the right to tax us for not buying apricots.

            No matter how you look at it, this is a ridiculous expansion of Government Powers that flies in the face of the letter and intent of the United States Constitution.

          • fromthesidelines

            Funny should mention it — for in fact, the government already taxes you for not owning a Chevy Volt.

            Its called the “Alternative Motor Vehicle Credit”. Look up IRS Form 8910 for more details.

            If you don’t own a car that meets the governments criteria, you have to pay extra tax. This is, in practice, identical to the impact that the “mandate” has an on individual that chooses to not carry health insurance.

            Again, you may argue its a bad idea. But, its certainly not a new exercise of taxing authority.

            Tax inducements are common. Labeling a tax inducement as a “penalty” instead of a “tax” is a pure political convenience, and has no bearing on whether its constitutional. This is exactly why, I believe, Roberts was right.

            That said, clearly I’m in the minority on this, so I won’t push it further. Thanks for the spirited conversation.

          • americanviewpoint

            But that is not a mandate to be fruitful and multiply

  • jonrd364

    Seeing as how CJ Roberts essentially ruled the ACA a tax, should we now and forever refer to this as the Obama Healthcare Tax? It seems “Obamacare” is outmoded now.

    Just calling a spade a spade, here. It is a tax and should, from now on, be referred to as– and only as– such in our vernacular.

  • exitsfunnel

    I am confused on one point. You say this:

    Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of the Court?s opinions on the alternative ground ? the taxing power ? that Chief Justice Roberts and the Court?s four Democratic appointees found to be an alternative basis for the mandate

    which echoes a lot of what has been written on the topic. But having looked at the decision, I note the dissent written by Ginsberg and joined (at least on that point) by Sotomoyer, Breyer and Kagen arguing that the mandate is constitutional under the commerce clause.

    So it seems to me that they arrived at the conclusion that the mandate was constitutional by cobbling together those four votes with Roberts’ argument under the tax power. My admittedly layman’s understanding is that they don’t have to agree on *why* it’s constitutional, only that it *is*.

    If this is all the case, then is it really fair to characterize the decision as having been based on the tax argument, when only one of the seven justices felt that way?

    -exits

  • celador2

    Roberts let stand ACA a top down federal government take over of the US health care delivery system. Roberts rewrote the statute by tossing the ACA original intent of NOT A TAX and calling it that. Roberts has destroyed free market state and local commercial activity in the health care system by his decision.

    Dissent said ACA was beyond the scope of federal authority.

    Under ACA consumers have no power. We are reduced to having only voter power in health care services, and that by the way is the high standard the UK require to alter the NHS. NHS is run by panels of health experts who know best, not consumers who have no final say in British health care. Politicans determine costs and fees not consumers. National Health Service is a top down run national healthcare system where a patient can not fire a doctor or nurse much less treatment panel. Like Soviet Union.

    We like UK consumers can not pick how we pay for ACA health care, and insurance polices are all there will be with a preset fee and tax by IRS.

    Roberts gutting of federalism did not begin or stop witrh ACA. He screwed Arizona in a life and death matter that has undermined the state’s fundamental authority to enforce the law or administer services.

    Roberts again backed a similar expansion of ARBITRARY federal authority, at least when a Democrat is in WH and DOJ is the issue, Roberts equally as troubling flipped on a state and allowed no benefit of the doubt as he did with Obamacare.

    Roberts bent on ACA to make it constitutional under taxing power. Did Roberts bend to help AZ SB 1070?

    Roberts also joined with Liberals on court to destroy the institutional structure in Arizona, a state under seige. Roberts fed chaos and lawlessness by backing Holder and his year of harrassment v AZ. Obama by EO granted Amnesty to one class of illegal youth and After the support from Roberts Holder moved even more into expanding federal lawlessness. DOJ set up a hot line to report cops who checked status of any Hispanic.

    Scalia dissent pointed out the majority on court stomped the Tenth into the ground and a state’s abliilty to protect its people from anything not just illegals. Chills at the stomp on Tenth Amendment. State policein AZ are second tier with automatically challenged authority only a free hotline call away? We owe it all to Roberts.

    Mark Levin has some powerful words on Roberts the man and his actions on both Obamacare and Arizona in a criticism of apologist George Will who declared the Obamacare decision a big win for conservatives. Popular pundit Levin more than anyone has sustained my personal faith in the constitution and my respect for those who uphold it.

    Levin asks in the criticism of Will’s victory lap re Robert’s crumbs
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    WHO CAN WE TRUST ANYMORE?

    .

  • celador2

    Pres GW Bush nominated a White House aide to the Supreme court and everyone went crazy claiming she was not art of the narrow pool from which we a republic pick our Supr ct justices mostly from Princetion, Harvrad and Yale. .

    But Bush knew Harriet Miers very well and he had seen her not budge under fire for some time. He knoew her strengths and her abilty to hold the line. He said he nominated her because she would not change. He knew as he had had an opportunity to vet over time.

    He may have been right on that choice since Roberts has become a monster in his trechery on Obamacare and AZ. He gutted the Tenth nad allowed a federal takeover of what was once a commerical activity in healthcare by siding with liberals. No judge on modern history has so altered the face of the US as did John Roberts.(Roger Taney did so shake up the social and political fabric in 1854 with Dredd Scot but he was no flip flopper)

    Because being a judge for life all comes down to personal character. A judge for life needs the abilty not to let self centeredeness and ME- ness take over Doing the right thing is not a burden but it takes humility not to play GOD for those in high places. Interpret the statute and leave it at that. Never forget the constitution. Judges do not lake policy.

    Bush put Harriet forward since he was sure she would not change and had what it tool to hold the line. After conservative outrage joined liberals demanding an insider in elite pool Bush settled on ambitious but stalled John Roberts. He named this untested new judge Chief Justice and jumped over Scalia.

    .

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