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The Vice Presidential Stakes

Why Romney Should Pick Ryan

Ten of the last twenty presidents, dating back to 1900, have been forced from office or come close: one was forced to resign (Nixon), one was impeached (Clinton), two were assassinated (Kennedy and McKinley), one was shot (Reagan), one was shot at twice in three weeks (Ford), two died in office of natural causes (FDR and Harding), one was incapacitated by a stroke (Wilson), and one nearly died of a massive heart attack (Eisenhower). If you go back to the 19th century, the record unsurprisingly gets worse. As for vice presidents since 1900, not only have five taken office (Ford, LBJ, Truman, Coolidge and Teddy Roosevelt), but four others have been nominated for the presidency while sitting (George H.W. Bush won, Richard Nixon lost and then won later, and Hubert Humphery and Al Gore lost – with Gore and Nixon losing two of the closest races in history and Humphery losing a tight three-way race), and one other (Walter Mondale) was nominated four years later. Losing vice presidential nominees have mostly not gone on to better things, but a few have – FDR came back to win the presidency 12 years later, Earl Warren became Chief Justice of the Supreme Court five years later, Bob Dole was nominated for the presidency 20 years later, and Lloyd Bentsen moved laterally to become Treasury Secretary five years later. Others, like Sarah Palin and Joe Lieberman, saw their national profiles greatly raised by the experience; Lieberman, Edmund Muskie and John Edwards all ran presidential campaigns four years later, with varying degrees of impact on the race.

All of which is a way of saying that Mitt Romney’s choice of a running mate could have very important repercussions whether or not that choice makes much impact on the outcome of the 2012 election. Romney seems to be a man of unusual health, vigor and personal ethics, and so less likely than most to leave the Oval Office before his term is out if he’s elected, but he’s also 65 years old; things happen. Given that the outcome of the election remains uncertain, we should therefore be rightly concerned with his choice. Let’s take a look at a couple of the considerations on the table, and why I ultimately think Paul Ryan is the best choice under the circumstances.

Identity Politics:

Gender: In theory, given that vice presidents have a fairly good chance of becoming president but little proven ability to affect the election (Bush-Quayle is the most well-known example of a ticket that won despite general consensus that the VP was a political liability), we should want the choice of vice presidents to be made solely on the basis of merit. But running mates are the one and only prominent hire made by the candidate during the heat of a contested election, and so almost invariably they are chosen with a lot of emphasis on political considerations; even Dick Cheney, the most obvious “screw politics, I’m picking the best guy for the job” choice, was well-matched to George W. Bush’s major perceived weakness at the time (lack of foreign policy gravitas).

So, we can’t discount politics, and that includes identity politics, which like it or not has always been a part of appeals to voters wherever there has been elections. That’s not to say a responsible campaign should let identity politics trump other considerations, simply that there’s no sense in pretending that it will not, in the real world, factor into decisionmaking.

The biggest potential target is women, who constitute a majority of the electorate (only white voters and Christians are a larger faction, and both are even less likely than women to see themselves as a cohesive voting bloc). All things being equal, Mitt Romney would clearly love to select a female running mate, as he did the one time he had the chance to do so before (his Lieutenant Governor in Massachusetts, Kerry Healey). But the problem with the available choices is that they are an even more extreme illustration of the transitional nature of the GOP’s talent pool in general: the experienced women, like Condi Rice and Kay Bailey Hutchison, are pro-choice and/or otherwise politically unacceptable to the party, whereas the more conservative women elected in 2010, like Kelly Ayotte, Susanna Martinez and Nikki Haley, are mostly not quite ready for prime time yet. In Martinez’ case, she’s been all but screaming from the rooftops that she doesn’t want the job, and as a result almost certainly has not been vetted by the Romney campaign. In between, the closest to women with the requisite level of both experience and ideological positioning would be Congresswomen Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington and Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, and I’ve seen no indication that either has drawn much support or attention in this process.

Ayotte is the closest to a credible candidate – she ran the state Attorney General’s office in New Hampshire, she earned street cred with pro-lifers by fighting an abortion case (on parental notification) all the way to the Supreme Court and winning, she’s campaigned early and often with Romney dating back to the primaries and has clearly got a good rapport with him on the trail, and she looks and sounds like the person you’d cast as a busy suburban professional woman in a minivan commercial. In 2010, she carried independents by 26 points in a state that had voted for both Obama and Kerry and was in the process of re-electing its Democratic governor. But while New Hampshire is one of the states Romney still hopes to swing, Ayotte is still a comparatively unknown figure from a tiny New England state in Romney’s back yard. And the shadow of the Palin controversies still loom: while Ayotte is stylistically nothing like Palin’s red-moose-meat persona, the perception of Palin as an underqualified running mate would require Ayotte to meet a higher standard than a man to convince the media that she’s ready for the job.

Race/ethnicity: The talent pool of Hispanic or African-American Republicans has the same basic problems – burned-out veterans who are non-starters (Rice, Colin Powell, Mel Martinez, etc.) and young up-and-comers who would have to overcome short resumes in major public office (Marco Rubio, Susanna Martinez again, Allen West). Rubio, of course, is a great package of domestic and foreign policy conservatism, eloquence, a great life story and popularity in a huge swing state, and he’s a more seasoned figure than Obama was in 2008 – in the Florida Legislature he was Speaker of the House, not an obscure backbencher – but he’s happy in the Senate and seems interested in building a career there before reaching for a national perch (about the only argument for running now is his hairline). Romney’s been wisely hesitant to rule out Rubio completely; he’d be the most dramatic choice and the one you would reach for – as McCain reached for Palin – if you thought you were losing but not yet defeated and needed to go big and try to run the table the rest of the way. But while the polls have not been encouraging the past few weeks, there’s no sign that Romney is thinking that way.

Also, it’s not at all clear that non-Cuban Hispanic voters in key swing states are open to Romney or would respond to the Cuban-American Rubio; everything we have seen from Romney indicates that his political calculus is focused on counter-programming Obama’s racial divide-and-conquer strategy by picking up white swing voters in the mostly Midwestern states that are still overwhelmingly white. There are six potential swing states where the electorate, based on Census data and past elections, is likely to be more than 80% non-Hispanic whites, and not coincidentally, those were the six states on Romney’s summer bus tour: New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Iowa, and Wisconsin. Colorado’s population is nearly 90% white according to the Census, but that includes Hispanic voters; Virginia’s is below 80%:

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It’s distasteful to carve up the electorate on those lines, but certainly the demographics of those states are an argument against picking a Latino running mate solely for the sake of picking a Latino running mate.

South Asian voters are a much tinier voting bloc, but they happen to have one of the remaining talked-about candidates in Bobby Jindal. If Romney is looking to appeal to voters who are generally uncomfortable voting for a ticket of two white males, Jindal – who’s overqualified for the job for multiple other reasons – could solve that problem for him.

Religion: Then there’s that other identity-politics wild card: religion. On the one hand, Catholics are a potentially important swing vote, albeit a group that in many cases will not vote as Catholics. (Also, according to the NY Times exit polls, Obama lost white Catholics 52-47 four years ago and no Democratic nominee has won more than 48% of white Catholics since Jimmy Carter in 1976, so the “swing” part may be overrated). On the other hand, there has never in American history been a major-party presidential ticket without a Protestant (the Democrats have had a Catholic on the ticket seven times – Al Smith, JFK, Muskie, Sergeant Shriver, Geraldine Ferraro, John Kerry and Joe Biden – and a Jewish candidate once – Lieberman – and the GOP has run a Catholic VP candidate once, William Miller in 1964), and a ticket combining Romney with a Catholic like Rubio, Paul Ryan, Jindal, Chris Christie or Bob McDonnell would set sail for that uncharted territory. That’s especially true at a time when the leadership of the House and Senate are very thin on Protestants and there are no Protestants on the Supreme Court. For Romney, perhaps still nervous about the unpopularity of his own Mormon faith, that may counsel in favor of the Methodist Rob Portman or the evangelical Christian Tim Pawlenty.

Class: Like it or not, Mitt Romney is heavily identified with being a rich son of a rich CEO who grew up to be a rich CEO himself; Americans love rags-to-riches stories, but are not so much enamored of riches-to-more-riches stories in their leaders (not that this has prevented them from repeatedly electing Roosevelts, Kennedys, Bushes, etc.) Still, with Obama hammering him over his money, his taxes, and his role as CEO, voters who have never had anything resembling Romney’s money are clearly concerned that Romney may just not understand what it’s like to not be rich. That gives an advantage to candidates who have had something of a rougher ride in life, whether they be the sons of immigrants (Rubio, Jindal), or people who went through hard times (Ryan, whose father died suddenly when he was 16; Pawlenty, the son of a truck driver, lost his mother to cancer as a teen).

Geography: Geography is a little different from identity politics, but perhaps not so much; it’s even more of a traditional consideration in Vice Presidential politics, and in point of fact, many people are far more apt to react negatively to a politician who is seen as too Southern or too Northeastern than to distinctions of race, gender or religion. As noted above, with a handful of exceptions (New Hampshire, Colorado, Nevada, Florida, Virginia), by far the dominant region up for grabs in this election is the Midwest, which is undoubtedly one of the several reasons why most reports seem to indicate that the frontrunners for the VP slot come down to three Midwesterners – Ryan from Wisconsin, Portman from Ohio, and Pawlenty from Minnesota, a state that is probably out of Romney’s reach but similar in other ways to the neighboring battlegrounds. Portman probably has the edge on geography alone – Ohio is a perennial swing state that no Republican has ever won without, and while Portman’s name recognition is fairly low even in his home state, he does have a solid organization in key parts of the state that helped Romney pull out a hard-fought primary victory over Rick Santorum. Geography is also almost the sole reason why McDonnell has entered VP discussions, although he seems a long shot now for a variety of reasons. The candidate who is hurt most by the geography issue is Jindal, the lone Deep South candidate under consideration, albeit a very un-stereotypical Southerner in nearly every way but his accent and his politics.

Age: This is an under-discussed angle to the VP selection, but one that figured heavily in the choices of FDR in 1920, Dan Quayle in 1988, Al Gore in 1992, and Palin in 2008: the desire to either balance a ticket or provide (in the Clinton-Gore case) an overall reinforcing image of youthful vitality. Romney, like Clinton and George W. Bush, is a Baby Boomer, born in the 1940s; three of the candidates under discussion (Ryan, Jindal and Rubio) were born in the 1970s and came of age in the Reagan years. That could raise concerns in some voters about their readiness for the job, as it did with both Quayle and FDR, but it also sends younger voters a message that the GOP is not just your grandpa’s political party.

The Candidate Factors:

Ideology: It’s no secret that conservatives in general and social and fiscal conservatives in particular still mistrust Romney for his past positions on abortion, health care and a litany of other issues. Much of that has been set aside as the party unifies behind removing Obama, but it’s never far from the surface, and as a result, Romney will face some disappointment if he picks a candidate who is viewed as generally moderate (such as Pawlenty, Ayotte or Christie), and open revolt if he picks a liberal and/or pro-choice Republican.

Experience: Romney’s running as a Mr. Fix-It executive who values business experience, but he himself has never served in DC. There’s some tension here: few of the people he’s looking at have spent a lot of time in the private sector, but the experiences they offer are different. Pawlenty’s been a two-term governor and state legislative majority leader, so he’s clearly ready to be a chief executive but doesn’t offset Romney’s lack of foreign policy credentials or DC experience. Ryan has essentially no executive experience beyond being Budget Committee chairman, but has been in DC since the 90s and is an acknowledged domestic policy expert. Portman and Jindal have much more varied resumes, ideally suited to a presidential candidate (like Pawlenty, both have worked in both executive and legislative jobs, although Portman hasn’t been a chief executive; Portman has more foreign policy experience, Jindal has the advantage of having served both in and out of DC).

Personality: Here’s where the rubber starts to hit the road in a serious way. On the one hand, you have Portman and Pawlenty and longer shots like McDonnell and John Thune who are all sort of dry and considered boring. On the other hand, there’s the concern – which should not be a problem for a confident candidate, but could figure nonetheless – that Romney could be outshone by a more colorful choice like Christie or Rubio. I think this is actually part of the constellation of reasons Christie won’t be picked: his chief asset is that he’s a leader and a take-charge personality who dominates every room he enters, and that’s just not the kind of guy you pick for a second banana job.

Pawlenty presents the problem most dramatically at the other end. He’s the candidate I originally supported in the presidential race in large part because he’s the ideal check-box guy who has no real weaknesses. But his campaign suffered from the fact that he just does not project a forceful, authoritative personality, epitomized when he refused to attack Romney’s health care plan to his face. If you think Romney is sailing ahead on course to win, he’s the lowest-risk pick, and there’s still something to the idea that Romney needs to keep his sails trimmed and let Obama beat himself. But even with all the methodological issues with the past few weeks of polling, I think it seems pretty clear by now that Romney still needs to sell the voters on himself. And Pawlenty just won’t help him do that.

Why Not Jindal?

If I was choosing a 2012 GOP presidential nominee from scratch right now, my top choices would be Jindal – who would make the best potential president – and Christie, who is the man best suited to the times and would bring a powerful leadership style to the campaign and the job. I certainly won’t be disappointed if Jindal is the surprise pick. But we’re not picking a number one, we’re picking a number two who might become a number one. And while this election is hugely important, it’s still one we could lose, and we’d best keep some powder dry for 2016 just in case. Both of those candidates will be prime contenders then if we get there.

Jindal is a shake-it-up pick, and undoubtedly ready for the big job, but is he ready for the national campaign trail? He’s a brilliant guy, but while governors make the best presidential candidates, they sometimes – as we saw with both Palin and Rick Perry – stumble if they get thrown straight onto the national trail and suddenly have to face a whole new set of reporters and a whole new set of issues that are different from their state-level political environments. (That’s less of an issue for Pawlenty, who has been on the national campaign trail almost as long as Romney by now). Plus, a VP candidate can be at the mercy of the presidential candidate’s staff, impairing his or her ability to clean up negative stories. There’s a lot of risk there – and as long as there are other good candidates who might marginally help Romney more in a tight race, the party’s interests are probably better served by letting Jindal come to the national stage on his own timetable. Paul Ryan, by contrast, is a campaign-trail ready veteran of the DC talk show circuit, is probably stymied from advancing much further within the House, and might have more trouble running an independent presidential campaign without much of a record as an executive. He has more to gain and less to lose than Jindal by going national now.

(A related consideration here that affects Portman, Christie, Rubio and Ayotte in particular: I’d like to see the GOP avoid doing what Obama did and putting at risk a whole host of Senate seats and Governorships with his appointments. Pawlenty is out of office and Jindal and McDonnell are term-limited, so we would lose a lot less if one of them moved out of his current role).

Why Ryan?

I haven’t covered all the possible considerations here, but at the end of the day, the choice seems likely to come down to Ryan, Portman and Pawlenty. None are terrible choices, and it may well be that Portman is the Cheney-esque pick here. But were I advising Romney, I’d go with Ryan.

Romney can win this election, but there is little sign that he’s winning it right now, and as the Wall Street Journal points out, Ryan is the guy best positioned to step into the leadership deficit created by Romney’s approach to this campaign:

The case for Mr. Ryan is that he best exemplifies the nature and stakes of this election. More than any other politician, the House Budget Chairman has defined those stakes well as a generational choice about the role of government and whether America will once again become a growth economy or sink into interest-group dominated decline.

Against the advice of every Beltway bedwetter, he has put entitlement reform at the center of the public agenda – before it becomes a crisis that requires savage cuts. And he has done so as part of a larger vision that stresses tax reform for faster growth, spending restraint to prevent a Greek-like budget fate, and a Jack Kemp-like belief in opportunity for all. He represents the GOP’s new generation of reformers that includes such Governors as Louisiana’s Bobby Jindal and New Jersey’s Chris Christie.

As important, Mr. Ryan can make his case in a reasonable and unthreatening way. He doesn’t get mad, or at least he doesn’t show it. Like Reagan, he has a basic cheerfulness and Midwestern equanimity.

As for Medicare, the Democrats would make Mr. Ryan’s budget a target, but then they are already doing it anyway. Mr. Romney has already endorsed a modified version of Mr. Ryan’s premium-support Medicare reform, and who better to defend it than the author himself?

There’s a tension, of course, in Romney choosing a guy known for policy specifics when Romney himself – despite his love for data, facts and figures – has chosen as one of the central pillars of his campaign strategy to keep his message general and let the focus stay on Obama. (Romney does have plenty of substantive policy proposals, but many are not yet terribly detailed, and most voters would be hard-pressed to identify anything in particular he stands for beyond resisting tax hikes on business). Picking Pawlenty or Portman, despite their other virtues, would entail doubling down on this approach, and sending conservatives a “trust me” message that has already generated a lot of support but not much enthusiasm. But the time comes when you need to get at least a little bit bold in order to get your own side excited and get the marginal voter in the middle to pay some attention. Of the likely candidates, Ryan is the best guy for the job.

Romney-Ryan 2012.

COMMENTS

  • JSobieski

    is for what happens AFTER November.

    If Romney picks Ryan, it means that Romney is going to choose to make debt, spending, entitlements, et al. an actual campaign issue.

    If the campaign doesn’t involve a discussion of those issues in at least some level of detail, I would argue that meaningful reform will NOT happen in 2013. The public needs to buy in to any truly meaningful reforms, and that means that the public needs to be educated on those reforms.

    If Romney picks Ryan, it means that Romney wants to have a substantive campaign and is serious about change in 2013.

    • http://www.baseballcrank.com Dan McLaughlin

      5

    • http://www.tooncesthecat.wordpress.com tooncesthecat

      And reading your article there is an equally compelling case for Rubio, more compelling perhaps than for Ryan. Florida is a must win state for Romney, and a motivated Cuban-American electorate could be the difference. Only Rubio ensures that turn-out. Ryan, as well as Rubio, are Catholics, so Republicans will be in “uncharted territory” regardless. Rubio has a much more compelling personal narrative than Ryan and voters are already familiar with his story. As noted, Rubio has experience in a legislative leadership role as Speaker of the Florida House, which trumps Ryan’s two year tenure as U.S. House Budget Committee chairman. And, honestly, if the VP doesn’t outshine Romney on the stump, he will be a dim bulb indeed. The overwhelming negative for Ryan is that it will be easier for the Democrats to demagogue the Ryan Budget and distract voters from the real issues in this election and Obama’s miserable failure as President.

      • acat

        Did we read the same diary, toonces?

        Florida is already moving into the Romney column, even without Rubio; Romney is not helped (outside Cuban-Americans) by Rubio, and Ryan has butchered far more of the Dem sacred cows with his roadmap than Rubio, despite being in the house, not the senate.

        Let Rubio mature some. We need a farm team, not just a ticket.

        Mew

        • acat

          Seriously. What else matters and isn’t linked directly to the economy?

          Obamacare? Economy.
          Jobs? Economy.
          Taxes? Economy.
          National debt? Economy.

          Mew

      • JSobieski

        If we don’t have a meaningful victory…a mandate to actually fix things. This isn’t a sporting event. Victory is not enough

        • acat

          In the short term, yeah, but in the long term, the blue state model will collapse under its’ own weight – look at Greece.

          I’m happy to support Romney/Ryan as I think they’re a much better chance for a peaceful transition to whatever comes after the blue state model than another four years of Obama…

          However, as I said to westcoast around here somewhere … I think we’d get a much more fundamental and lasting move away from the blue state model out of a second Obama term, letting the congress and the supremes figure out how to reign in an out of control executive.

          Mew

      • ashland_avenue

        He was a prosecutor.

        To win, we need to beat the ‘Chicago mob.’

        A fearless prosecutor. Who will push the bastards back.

    • jeffbwillis

      Think about it! Paul Ryan is a sober, competent pragmatist. He is exactly what America needs in a leadership role. But if he is Romney’s running mate, the Republicans will lose the election.

      The party must win Florida. The state is a tossup. Ryan will render no help there. Lose Florida. Lose the election! Marco Rubio is the only choice. It’s time to face reality! Not only will he deliver Florida, but also Nevada and Colorado. There is a chance that he could help the Republicans steal New Mexico.

      Paul Ryan’s message of “sharpen the pencil, get down to the task at hand,” may be the right direction. But, like his health care plan, he is too easily misunderstood. He will the ideal target for Democrats to pound. He will be positioned as “cold, calloused and uncompassionate.”

      Perhaps we need leaders who are ‘cold, calloused and uncompassionate!” Maybe that’s what it takes to get America on the right track! But most Americans aren’t there yet. They will buy a politician who “tells them what they want to hear.”

      Rubio offers hope and belief in Americva. Ryan speaks of “sacrifice and the dire consequences if we don’t.” We know he’s right. But do the vast majoirity of swing voters know that?

      In short, Ryan, as VP, is a ticket to defeat. We love him and need him. But not for VP!

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    Jindal’s been at the top of my list for a while, but Ryan is set to overtake him. Your analysis might just push him to the top.

    As for Portman being Cheney-esque, Cheney has a dry, sharp, sarcastic wit. Portman is just dry, as in watching paint.

  • tacotuesdays

    I will be more than a little disappointed. As far as I see it Paul Ryan is the only conservative choice for VP (i.e. the choice Romney will never pick).

    • bs61

      But his plan takes like 26 years and doesn’t change the baseline budgeting thing at all. I like the Penny plan instead that does it in much less time. :)

      • tacotuesdays

        But Ryan is the only viable VP pick out there making the case for the dismantling of the entitlement state. I have to say I didn’t think Mitt had the testicular fortitude to make a BOLD pick like Ryan for VP, but now that he has I the pick doesn’t do anything to set aside my deep down concerns about Mitt as a true conservative. It’s great to see Ryan get a chance to shine tho.

        • bs61

          He is the only one who broached the subject, so I am hopeful!

  • rapskins

    I think Romney will surprise everyone and pick John Thune.
    First senator to endorse Romney. Number 3 senate Republican. Fourteen years as congressman and senator. Relatively young (51, same as Obama) and experienced.
    From small state, but what states are/were Biden and Cheney from? All have 3 electoral votes.
    No governor/ex-governor has been selected as VP since Agnew in 68.
    All have been senators, congressmen. Romney still needs someone in Washington, just like the previous six presidents. It will be a Washington insider with experience.
    Took Daschle, the biggest Dem of all at the time, to the woodshed. He wasn’t that “boring” to us then when that happened.
    On the senate budget and finance committee.
    Tall (6’4), lean, fit, and has that Lincoln/Kennedy look about him. I would like to see him up next to Plugs during the debates.
    He will not embarass Romney, and would be a loyal VP.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      Thune is not a serious person.

      • http://www.baseballcrank.com Dan McLaughlin

        nt

        • acat

          …is pointing out Daschle’s hypocrisy.

          How does that help Romney? Daschle left years ago…

          Mew

          p.s. i’m posting comments too fast … on an iPhone? The software’s busted, guys.

        • sharp

          Dan, you did not mention a few long shots ( I know you can’t include everybody), but what about guys like Bolton, Allen West, even Newt or Bachmann? Also, you did not mention Petreius?

          Any chance of a real surprise?

          (BTW, Excellent article!!)

      • davenj1

        Yes, he took out Daschle after losing by only 500 votes the cycle before to Johnson. He has experience in SBA (as in Small Business Administration) as well as House/Senate experience. He’s ideologically to the right of Romney which helps there. Granted, he may not be a ball of fire, but does Romney want to run the risk of being overshadowed? He is on both the Senate Finance and Budget committees and head of the Republican Conference. The only bogey man in his closet is his use and defense of earmarks, most of them tied to keeping the B-1 bomber fleet at Ellsworth AFB.

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

          He’s a go along get along porker who rode an electoral wave.

          But sure, he has great hair. We think it’ll turn silver even.

          Give me a flipping break.

          • davenj1

            after Romney picks Thune.

          • davenj1

            has to do with anything though. Looking at his voting record, he (Thune) looks pretty damn conservative to me. May not fit the ideal mold of some here, but he is a more realistic choice than Ryan. Not that I have anything against Ryan; he is a great Congressman and spokesman for the GOP on fiscal matters and a person in command of the facts who can think with innovation. But, that does not a Vice President make…

            Incidentally, there is a reason Congressmen are not chosen- they are generally not well known outside their particular district. Admittedly, Ryan is more high-profile and has a national image so he breaks the mold there. Listen- I would be happy with Ryan on the ticket, but it ain’t happenin’

  • goodgovernance

    I used to think Rubio was the way to go, but I’m told he really isn’t ready for that kind of platform and exposure just yet. That’s too bad.

    I’d be happy with any of the final three that you mention. But can the Veep candidate really fill the “leadership deficit” that you mention Romney has created? The number 2 guy should never overshadow the number 1, and if he does it just makes Romney look less desirable for the presidency.

    But I agree with what you said at the end of the piece: sometimes you have to get a little bold.

  • codenametimna

    I like Paul Ryan but I don’t think Mitt Romney should pick him as his VP. Let me explain…

    If Romney picks Paul Ryan the Democrats will have a field day because of the Ryan Plan, which Democrats were able to poke several holes in and make Ryan appear as someone who will throw granny over the cliff to save a few bucks on healthcare.

    Ryan is too inexperienced also if you ask me. He’s very smart but a little awkward and shy and that could be a hindrance to Romney in the run up to the election. Let Paul Ryan stay where he is at in the House of Representatives, which will enable Republicans to further a Romney presidency, if indeed, Romney wins in November. Although the way it’s looking now I wouldn’t count on it. Fox News just came out with a new research poll that shows Obama pulling away as Romney slips behind in support in several areas. Romney actually had the majority of Independents in his camp back in April but since then Obama has gained ground and has now overtaken Romney regarding Independents. I think one of the main reasons why is because Romney’s campaign appears to be permeated with inexperienced nincompoops that are wrecking havoc in the campaign machinery. Andrea Saul is just the latest example. Mitt needs to hire some “experienced” experts (and fire the nincompoops) or these gaffes are likely to continue until election day.

    Another problem Romney has is not being able to convey his message to the American people about how he will change America for the better if indeed he’s elected. His 59 point “dissertation” has been reduced to basically 5 main objectives but it seems even then he hasn’t been able to convey those 5 main policies effectively in my opinion.

    Romney always seems to be on the “defense” and in reality that’s the way the Obama campaign wants it. Mitt needs to go on the “offense” or he will continually be “mopping up” over the jabs that the Obama campaign are relentlessly throwing at him non-stop. Stay on message, which is the ECONOMY STUPID! Don’t let Obama set the tone. Get out in front of the cameras much more often and when you give a speech have a conviction in your words that let’s the American people understand you mean business and that you actually believe the words you are trying to convey to your audience. Marco Rubio is a great example of a brilliant and motivated speaker who is able to “rally” the crowd he is speaking to and also convince them of what it is he is wanting them to understand. Therefore, Marco Rubio would be a great choice as Romney’s VP and would also go a long way in helping to win over Hispanics as well.

    Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell would also be a good choice and the fact that Bob McDonnell is the only VP candidate with a military service background, it would go a long way in bolstering Romney’s foreign policy credentials in areas related to our military and our allies abroad. Veterans would tend to support a Presidential candidate even more so if the VP (or the President) had been in the service. Virginia is a swing state too if I’m not mistaken.

    Bottom line. Romney needs to pick a stalwart conservative in order to “excite” the Republican base. Romney’s background is perceived as a moderate (and a flip-flopper), therefore a stalwart conservative is really needed in order to get conservatives (who make up a good percentage of the Republican Party) out of the house to vote on election day. Many conservatives (me included) are kind of wary of Mitt Romney because his background paints a very different picture of him than he is now trying to convince the American people he is. In other words, Romney is now trying to paint himself as a “severe” conservative but in order to make it stick in the minds of Americans, I really think he has to bring on board a rock solid conservative as his VP. If he appoints a moderate as his VP a lot of conservatives may well sit out the election altogether. If that happens Barack Obama will likely get another four years to continue destroying the United States of America as we have known it. And Mitt Romney will have no one to blame but himself and his inexperienced campaign staff, if indeed, Obama wins in November. Perish the thought.

    • macbookben

      …where would Ryan be more effective, in the senate or Veep’s mansion? I think he will keep his skills sharper debating Democrats on the floor of the senate. And were he to speak his mind, he would have to carefully choose his words so as to avoid putting the less ideologically-oriented Romney to his left. And we know what sort of extreme circumstances were created between Biden and Obama (and I’m still trying to figure out the upside of that decision). So here goes:

      Jindal
      Christie
      Liz Cheney (don’t laugh!)

      • YnotNOW

        What are Liz Cheney’s qualifications for VP?

        p.s. I like Jindal, but would love Ryan as well.

        • macbookben

          No, she’s not seriously qualified. But she’s great at calling the media out on their BS, and she’s outspoken and articulate. She could be the Veep AND Romney’s press secretary. And I think Ryan would be a solid pick, just like having him around in the senate to beat up on the Dems.

          • http://www.baseballcrank.com Dan McLaughlin

            is very qualified to run for a seat in Congress. Let her do that first.

          • davenj1

            n/t

    • wilgolden

      no matter whom the VP nominee is.

      Romney and the VP Nominee will be spending at least half the campaign defending Ryan’s budget ANYWAY.

      Why not pick the expert on said budget?

    • warrior300

      I wholeheartedly agree with Codenametimma’s analysis of Romney. I disagree only from the point that Romney has deliberately surrounded himself with advisers who like him are liberal/moderate Republicans. Nothing is more ludicrous than to believe if Romney is elected, the Tea Party will keep him in line. He’s repeatedly spat on the Tea Party from his positions on the Boy Scouts and gay membership; his aide’s recent comment on Romneycare; his failure to speak out on Chic Filet controversy; which gave him an opportunity to sidestep the gay issue, and slam Obama and Democrats on their ubiquitous attempts and successes over the last four years to silence opponents: union cardchecks, where union goons would have had the right to stand over the worker while he fills out a card for or against union organization of a particular work place, the attempt to silence FOX News and talk radio with the so-called “Fairness Doctrine”, which did not become law, the innumerable Czars who are answerable to no one but Obama, the Presidential edicts that sidestep Congress, while Congress allows this (shades of Julius and later Octavian Caesar, and a corrupt Roman Senate); and let’s not forget the law (how many Republicans supported it?), which allows the President to call a state of emergency on a whim. Here’s where the incompetence of his advisers come in. Chic Filet should have been a home run for Romney, but all these liberal/moderate advisers could only see the media beat up on Romney as a homophobe, and no doubt many of his advisers disagreed with Chic FiIlet’s CEO’s position anyway.

      His current advisers are a reflection of just the type of advisers and cabinet heads that will dominate his Presidency.

      I like Jim Ryan, but he is far more needed in the House. He will be more powerful in his committee roles and moving the House along than he would be as Vice President. Most importantly, the candidate must be Marco Rubio are the election is already over. Rubio ran one hell of a campaign to be elected against initial huge odds. He can campaign, and the conservatives need someone like Palin, to get excited about, only without all the drama queen nonsense of Sara. Rubio on the ticket assured Florida in the GOP camp, without him, enough Cubans will sit it out after such a personal snub. Rubio is also Catholic, and would further increase the Catholic vote in the GOP camp. Rubio will also bring additional Hispanic votes to the GOP, which would once again reduce the margin among this group that Obama had in 2008. Granted the swing to Republicans will not be as great as if a Mexican or Puerto Riccan were the candidate, but every additional Hispanic vote is one less for Obama. Most significantly, it moves the Republican Party away from its image as a White male bastion holding the fort against the obvious future of demographic trends. No Rubio, and you can welcome four more years of Obama. Believe me 2016 won’t matter

    • gerald ford

      The Democrats will destroy Ryan’s plan, as it’s just not the kind of plan that plays well around elections. He’ll end up accentuating the “Romney killed my wife” theme, and Ryan will be the guy going after the rest of the family.

      Romney has to be smart about this. A real conservative on this ticket will be a detriment in a general election. There just aren’t enough moderates and independents who will be won over by conservative ideals in this day and age. Better to just win the election and use that as a starting point. The worst thing that could happen now is for Democrats to be able to paint the GOP as out of the mainstream, which will happen with Ryan as VP.

      • JSobieski

        The country was we knew it is over. Will things be easier in 2014? 2016?

        We need to go all in, and actually build a mandate for certain conservative changes. At least one D Senator has signed on to Ryan style Medicare reform.

        At some point you have to draw a line in the sand and stop retreating. Many people wanted that line drawn in 2010 for what was a relatively small chunk of change. This is the time to go for some real substantive changes—and we need public support if you want Republicans in DC to support such efforts in 2013.

        This country is either still capable of responsible self-government inspired by the examples of the founders, or each of us needs to make contingency survival plans.

        • aesthete

          Right now is the best moment for reform that I’ve seen in a good long while: we are seeing Europe fall apart due to various pensions and entitlements, and Ryan is an excellent presenter and expositor.

          If Romney’s not going to do anything different from Obama and his predecessors, then what incentive do we have to be parties to his election?

        • gerald ford

          running against Romney in the primaries, where a conservative message resonates. Still, they couldn’t beat Romney. You can say it was money only that put a weak candidate like Romney over the top. But I think there is a silent majority of moderate conservatives who knew that Santorum or Gingrich or Perry or Bachmann would be lambs to the slaughter against Obama.

          We can get excited about our Ted Cruz victories, because those are substantial for the Tea Party. But we need moderate Conservatives to win against Obama in a national election. I don’t know any other way to say it. Though I certainly understand the thinking of “now or never.” I’m more in the patience camp. This country is far more conservative than it was 40 years ago. Back then, Obama would be seen as a conservative. And Nixon today would be indistinguishable from most Democrats with national ambitions. This is a good thing, but that change came slow.

          Romney faces a very staunch challenge electorally. Ryan, though preferable to the others, will not help him in those crucial swing states. Romney will lose Florida with Ryan. Count on it.

          • Bill S

            You do NOT get to reinstate yourself by retreading.

          • JSobieski

            Outnumbered the moderates.

          • renl57

            With Gingrich, Santorum or Perry, the issue wasn’t their command of conservative economic principles, which I thought was adequate or better.

            I thought that Gingrich’s PERSONAL baggage would give the Dems a field day. (At least Gloria Allred hasn’t been able to find any bimbos to claim that Romney had an affair with them.)

            And Santorum’s repeated insistence on discussing what he considered to be the immorality of birth control (not just who pays for it) was a non-starter now that we have many women with more lucrative careers than many men.

            As for Perry, if he had been smoother and more articulate, he would be the nominee now. He stumbled badly in the debates, forgetting some of his own policies.

            Romney has been unable to pull ahead by playing it safe and stonewalling on his own tax history. He might as well go for broke and let the voters know exactly where we conservatives stand on the economy.

            If the voters reject it, that’s their choice. But at least we’ll know they made a choice on that issue, not on trivia like Romney’s dog or something.

  • ctredstater

    I have wandered around on this question. for a long while I was a Jindal man. and I would be excited with him as the pick. I echo that either T-Paw or Portman would be a disappointment, and would NOT give that electrical charge that a VP pick could and should give to a convention.

    To me the strongest reason is that our nation is in a real mess – and that to win the election on the “I’m not Obama and I will be a buffer against a Tea Party Congress” will not get it done. the ONLY chance we have to really right the ship is if the Executive and Congressional team that starts January 2013 is dedicated to actually solving the problems of the country.

    this means as MANY DeMint Caucus Senators as possible, as many Tea Party House members as possible, and Ryan would fit right into that. He is REALLY ready for prime time – and to me, now, represents a great choice.

    thanks for this, Dan.

  • greyeagle

    If Tpaw, Portman or Ryan are the choices, then they are boring, boring, boring. So, two white men. Bad idea. It would be a big mistake to choose anyone not a true conservative. Portman is in favor of some of the UN treaties and is a Globalist. I am disappointed that Romney did not vet Col. Allen West. He would have been exciting and a pit bull which would have allowed Romney to be above the fray. He has a lot of executive experience courtesy of the US Military and would have provided a good source of Military information. He would rip Obama on a daily basis and not raise his voice. Plus he would have removed the race card. If Romney does not choose someone who can hit back on a regular basis regarding the Obama lies and attacks, well, it will be his loss.

    • http://lukos.com Ed54

      He was not a Colonel. Lieutenant Colonels in the Army do not have executive experience. I should know, I was one too.

      • Hooah_Mac

        LTC s are typically battalion commanders(BC) – which are very much executive positions, controlling organizations ranging from 700-1200 individuals. Particularly in the current “modular” Army, BCs are usually the top commander on location. In addition, to get to LTC you have to go through Captain(CPT), which typically means company command time (an executive role over groups ranging from about 80, in HQ companies to 200ish in line companies).

        In LTC West’s case, he commanded a field artillery battalion for two years.

        Note: I spent my entire career as enlisted, but feel competent to comment on battalion and below officer issues because I spent quite a bit of it that career as an NCO or acting NCOIC in a battalion S-1.

        • http://lukos.com Ed54

          I retired as an LTC 4 years ago. I was not a BC, but I was a Battalion XO, S-3, and Company Commander in an SF battalion. Battalion Commander is not really an executive position, and Company Commander is definitely not an executive position. General officers are executives. O-6 commanders are executives. O-5 commanders are high level managerial positions or, at best, very junior executives. The idea that being a field artillery battalion commander would count as “executive” qualifications for President is laughable.

    • dudette

      but Romney who seems to me like the cowardly lion will never make that bold a choice–that is the ONLY thing McCain did right in his dismal campaign. I prefer Ryan at OMB where he can wield a great deal of power; Christie I really like because he has the cojones to go after Obama and he has the gubernatorial experience to be executive if need be. I also think there is something about Christie’s street smarts that make one forget he is a white guy—Portman reminds us of Bush and Pawlenty is just too boiring. The problem is most voters dont pay attention and they are so influenced by TV and visuals–Pawlenty is horrible on visuals….my choice is Allen West al the way esp with the kind of fight he has on his hands w/redistricting and RINO primary stuff.

      • tlhanger

        His common sense is spot on.

        I cannot understand the little dig on Dan Quayle at the beginning of the article. Have you let the crazy left media make up your mind on people. Really, read about him. He got all the trash because he was a smart (yes really smart) man. They tried and made him look like a fool. He and his wife would of made a great couple for the highest office.

        It seems like we sometimes fall in lock step with the media and let it taint our thinking .

  • http://lukos.com Ed54

    Portman, Pawlenty, Ryan, and Rubio, with the first two being the safe, boring choices and the second two being the bold, risky choices. Most of the others seem to have fallen by the wayside in the public consensus. For all his secrecy, Romney is actually pretty overt about using the front runners as surrogate campaigners as a trial run, so I suspect the consensus is probably accurate. A surprise dark horse is highly unlikely.

    Ryan is a very substantive person who can reallly put a sharp point on Romney’s economic and fiscal arguments. I’d be ecstatic if he were picked.

    Rubio is a passionate advocate of American exceptionalism who can make a powerful case about the value of freedom and opportunity. He’s also a an aggressive demographic play. I’d be excited if he were picked, but also a bit nervous because he is still somewhat green and unvettted. The spectre of a Palin repeat would be there.

    Portman was Bush’s budget director. He says he wasn’t there when all the money was spent, but that is a detail and the public isn’t very good about details, especially about arcane bureaucratic processes. Picking Portman would hand Obama a giant hammer to beat Romney over the head with.

    Pawlenty … meh. Just meh. Nice guy but a dud as a campaigner. Maybe he’s smart if Romney is playing not to lose, but that’s not the case here. The “regular guy” argument is silly. Romney is not going hide from his wealth by picking Joe Lunchbucket as his running mate. Romney has to embrace being rich, and say “I got prosperous because I am good at business, and now I want to use that ability to make everyone prosperous.”

    • Ausonius

      See:

      http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/08/portman-i-think-ill-end-up-being-in-the-senate/

      Let’s take him at his word: he is simply okay as a senator. I do not see a future dynamo of leadership in him.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    But I honestly think Ayotte would be best here. She’s solidly conservative, has enough experience, and seems to have handled herself very well. I don’t see the Democrats doing to her what they did to Palin. I actually had hoped for Haley, but it doesn’t look like she’s in the running anymore.

  • jude68

    First I love Allen West but he being African American means nothing. The African American community is hopeless and ignorant. They will never support somone like Allen West because to them he is a sellout. I totally disagree with that…West is incredible and I love his passion. But he would be a great pick for that reason not because of his skin color. West knows his material and I would thoroughly support him as VP.

    I disagree that Ryan is boring. He is quite crafty and he is a great fighter. He knows budgets and numbers. He also is from a Democrat District and has won every time comfortably. He can pull independents and Dems. He already has!! His budget…WELL AT LEAST HE HAS ONE!! He understands the depth of our entitlement crisis….if not now…WHEN WILL WE TALK ABOUT IT…when we are 30 trillion in debt. Sorry the Dems will viciously attack any VP pick. I like Ryan and he is a stand up guy. He is not boring at all!

    Jindal remains my top because I think he commands attention and knows how to speak. He is very appealing. I disagree with Dan that he should be on his own…when Dan in 2020?? If Romney wins that is soonest he could run on his own. Why waste a guy with so much potential. He brings a great balance to Romney. AND HE IS A ROCK CONSERVATIVE and he appeals to more than Indian and Asians. He knows Energy policy and that is a major area to address. Can you say Coal in Ohio, Penn, Va, KY, W.VA as well as oil..like drilling in the Gulf, Continental Shelf, Fracking and Keystone!! These are massive job areas for creation. Energy prices and costs are driving the cost of living. That hits the pocket books of everyone. Jindal would numbers on the EPA the job killing machine under Obama. He is fantastic on Education…WHICH IS A MAJOR DRAW TO WOMEN!! Women love to talk education and Jindal excels there as well. He is excellent with health care which is touching EVERYONE and SENIORS would eat that up! Being a Minority….he can also draw Hispanics. Who better to spear REPEALING OBAMACARE?? And Dan with all due respect people out here in the base…WANT AN OUTSIDER…we are sick of Washington Insiders!! Ryan to me is no insider…..like Boehner, Thune, Portman and others.

    I love Rubio as well and would love him as well. He is dynamic, intelligent and tough. He is another figther and next to Jindal would be my favorite. He can definitely appeal to Hispanics and the youth. His story is fabulous and a living example of the American Dream. He is more experienced he spent a number of years here in Florida in State Politics. He is more qualified than OBAMA!! He understands business, taxes, energy and money. He can articulate himself well and he can inspire. He knows the issues and would make Biden look like an EMERY BOARD!!

    In fact, both Jindal and Rubio would make Biden look like a nothing. I also think both would do well against Hillary should Obama get scared with Biden.

    Jindal could easily handle the press. Perry is nice guy but he never commands knowledge of issues like Jindal does and even Rubio. Perry sunk because he lacked the ability to articulate himself and knowledge of issues. Jindal would not and neither would Rubio.

    I like McDonnell, but he is not as conservative as some think. He is more than Romney but not to the extent of others. Yes Virginia is a swing state but so is Florida and energy states like Ohio with Coal. I would be happy with McDonnell.

    I will say two white guys could serve as a narrative to exclude others. Ryan and McDonnell could cause that problem…..Jindal and Rubio do not!!

    BUT PLEASE NO PORTMAN OR PAWLENTY!! Those two are safe?? To who…BOREDOMVILLE!! And yes Mitt it matters. You want the base fired up!! Because it will be the base making all the calls, knocking on the doors and raising the money!! Neither Pawlenty or Portman do that. Thune is a stiff!! He is a backbencher with McConnell and has no charisma, To me a bore with no appeal, What will you do just have him stand there and say nothing?? He is nice looking man but come on…he is a lap dog for McConnell.

    And no Rice and Ayotte….Rice is a polished woman…..but no conservative and at best a moderate mush, I do not trust her and I think her ties to Bush are a disaster for every vote she gains you lose two with the base. Ayotte is another bore and quite frankly I cannot see her appeal at all…..Talk about boring and moderate!

    Obama must be defeated anyone that thinks staying home is going to prove anything…well here is a thought….in 2016 do you really think America will exist as it does today under Obama? Once he no longer has to run for re-election he will reshape this country through FIAT and those thinking wait until 2016 better head over the FANTASYLAND….He already has 4000 new regulations he has not signed because of the election…whose lives do you think those 4000 regulations will effect horribly…..YOU!!!

    I like Rubio

    • http://www.baseballcrank.com Dan McLaughlin

      but he needs more experience in office to go with his millitary record, or people will let his sharp tongue stereotype him as a crackpot.

  • californiasquish

    There’s a lot of interesting information in there.

    My prediction is that he’ll go with one of the ‘non-starter’ candidates from your list. It seems to me the strategy is to make a big play for the disaffected Obama supporters in the center, and assume the conservatives will pull the ‘Not-Obama’ lever anyway.

  • wilgolden

    I was down to Ryan / Jindal quite a while back, and was sorely disappointed that they were not getting more mention.

    Thank you!

    There is another point against Mr. Christie that i never hear anyone mention anymore, that I belive (IMHO) will disqualify him with the very people Romney is trying to re-assure: He is on record as being somewhat pro-gun control. This is quietly and steadily becoming a bigger determinant to a large chunk of the Conservative base than a politician’s stand on Abortion.

    McCain lost, not because Ear Leader is such a magnificent orator – McCain lost because about 6 – 8 million to-the-right-of Ghengis Kahn fire-breathing red-meat-eaters stayed home. These people only barely trust Romney more than McCain. He cannot afford to alienate them (again). Christie would provide the impetus to either go ahead and form an American Constitution Party, or stay home and punish the RNC for failing us once again.

    Just a thought from the cheap seats,

    • goodgovernance

      the far Right is responsible for giving us Obama and Obamacare. That’s a new one, and goes counter to what I’ve heard argued on Redstate before.

      But if it’s true, those people who stayed home in 2008 deserve Obama.

      • wilgolden

        Another is that McCain’s natural constituency (The Media) gave us Carter redux.

        John McCain is a genuine American Hero, and deserves accolades for his life of public service and sacrifice, but a conservative, he ain’t. The conservatives didn’t trust him very much.

        Really, look back on McCain’s public life prior to 2008. Can you imagine any piece of legislation (with the possible exception of ObamaCare), that Mr. Go along, Get along would not have cheerfully signed, telling us he was just trying to reach out to the other side of the aisle and promoting unity and peace?

        In 2008, he pulled about 3 million fewer votes than Dubya in ’04, when the total arguably SHOULD have gone up by 3-4 million, due to demographic changes. Another million crossed and voted for Obama. Would have been worse if not for Palin. Most of the conservatives trusted her.

        A HUGE chunk of people sat on their hands in 2008. I came close to doing so, myself. The objective was to try and get the attention of the Republican inside-the-beltway crowd. To tell them “enough weenies, already!” This theme was all over blogs, from Ace to Misha’s, to PowerLine, to Little Green Footballs (back before Scott Johnson went coocoo for Coco Puffs), to Volokh. REGRETS for our nominee, not pride and hope.

        Didn’t seem to work, but that was the objective. Of course, no one really expected that the Demoscum nominee would really be a refugee from the Communist Party.

        The same chunk of people are only barely more trusting of Romney.

        Christie is what New Jersey needs, and is probably as far right as any Governor that will be elected there in my lifetime. He is probably too far right for some places.

        I believe his place on the National Scene will be as a Senator or as an Ambassador of Cabinet Secretary. Notwithstanding all the high level conservatives who want him on the ticket, In my opinion, he would be a drag.

        But again, that;s just my thoughts from the cheap seats.

        • wilgolden

          CHARLES Johnson.

          Not nearly enough coffee this morning.

    • davenj1

      on the same ticket? Don’t think so. Thats why he is not mentioned. Christie is good for NJ, not the USA at this point in time

  • writescribe

    Your analysis is objective and reasoned. I especially enjoy the fact that it is still tethered to reality (“Romney can win this election, but there is little sign that he?s winning it right now”) rather than the usual factually-challenged parroting that increasingly passes for “thought.” Acknowledgment of the situation is not akin to acquiescence/defeat or being a pinko liberal; rather, it allows for better analysis and appropriate adjustment.

    Plus, If Ryan is selected as VP and Romney loses (I’m just talking contingencies here), Ryan may be the de facto “second in line” for the Republicans in 2016. A silver lining that one hopes will not come to fruition.

    • goodgovernance

      5

    • davenj1

      by campaign finance laws. After the convention, he will come out firing at Obama. Meanwhile, Obama spends $300 million tearing down his opponent depleting his war chest, begging for $3 donations and barely making a dent in the numbers as it is still a horse race. The obly thing that concerns me is Ohio at this point and the fact Romney cannot make inroads there against Obama yet. Think at heart, Ohio is just looking for a reason to vote out Obama but Romney hasn’t given or articulated that reason yet.

      • pbuntrock

        I totally agree. We are in August and most people are trying to enjoy a little summer in a bad economy. It’s really only hardcore political junkies that are really paying any attension to the race.

        I believe that the “independants” support for both candidates is very softt. I think September will really tell the tale. Romney has a real shot in September. If he makes use of it, he may well win. If he doesn’t, then he will lose.

  • Tennessean

    Enjoyed reading it. Amen and Amen!

  • myah

    No to Ryan, he is NOT the man 4 this campaign. Entitlements can be reformed without the Democratics SPIN in a campaign. I can see senior citizen being scared out of their wheelchairs as they watch the Ad’s!
    No to Pawlenty & Portman. Both are BORING. Portman is the MOST BORING SPEAKER I have EVER heard. I can make it 1/4 way before falling to sleep. Pawlenty I can make it 1/2 way BUT both I have no idea what they said while I was awake BECAUSE they were so BORING!
    KEEP LOOKING!! He needs someone to put FIRE in his campiagn and not make fire for Romney. Mitt Romney needs to get NEW people to run his campaign rather then McCains old campaign people. They are going to LOSE this race for Mitt as they did for McCain BORING CAMPAIGN. Again we can’t talk about Rev Wright but Obama & the media can stick it to him on being a mormon. etc.

    • commonsenseobserver

      Not with Palin around. No, they simply failed to harness the excitement surrounding Palin. Team Mitt looks set to do the same if they don’t step up to a whole new level.

      • 6eorge Jetson

        McCain’s campaign manager had earned $2 million at Fannie.

        When our standard-bearer ceded the blame for the credit crisis to the unthinking default–the party occupying the White House–it was Game Over up and down the ticket.

        Nothing.Else.Mattered

    • thethinman

      They buy into the insurance company called AARP that for certain backed Obama’s rape of Medicare by $500,000,000,000. Yes, that’s with a B. And then not one of them pays attention to the effort to fix Social Security, which congress has raped for years, that NO senior, 55 or older now would lose anything. Of COURSE seniors also refuse to face up to the fact that what’s wrong with this country now is a whole lot of their fault.

      • davenj1

        as I approach 55, I would be for reform along the lines of the Ryan plan and wished it was in place when I entered the workforce. Current retirees and those approaching retirement are being hoodwinked by the Democrats. If they go for Obama in 2012, then they are like lemmings jumping over the cliff. Geez- we already have the black lemmings and the Hispanic lemmings.

  • rabun1016

    nt

  • annas

    BUT we are a tempest in a tea pot worrying about who oh who will be vp candidate. Meanwhile Obama is running away with the election! All this dirty business is working like a charm! Have you seen the latest numbers? Not pretty. Mitt has not even started to campaign as far as I can tell–just letters for more money. I want to see some fight or no more money. Start with firing Andrea Saul!

    • thethinman

      Yep. Congress has sat by and done NOTHING for two years and let Obama walk all over the Constitution, with the help of the Socialist Democrats and establishment Republicans in the Senate. American Citizens see that we have a do nothing Congress and Obama is at least trying – even if he’s destroying the Constitutional Republic of the United States – in the effort.

  • lineholder

    You’ve given good reasons for supporting Ryan, and I don’t disagree with them at all. Of your final three that you’ve identified as strong possibilities, I’d choose Ryan over the other two, “Mediscare” or not.

    But out of all the potential candidates, I still think Jindal is the better choice I think Jindal could have more impact in swing states than it might seem because several swing states are being hurt by the regulatory actions of the EPA. Take the situation with coal miners in PA and OH as an example. If there’s anyone who knows from practical experience just how much damage excessive regulatory measures from the EPA can do for a state’s economy, it’s Jindal. Especially when the “hammer” comes down during a time of recession.

    I doubt that Jindal could win over the members of the coal miner’s union (who have announced that they are sitting out this election), but he could have an impact with the voters whose jobs indirectly rely on coal mining in those states (and in PA for example, there are 3.7 indirect jobs for every mining job) It would directly fit in with what Romney has already been saying about reducing regulations for the sake of generating jobs. There would be no conflict in that area at all.

    The same could be said for states who might have been looking forward to jobs associated with the Keystone pipeline, which got squashed by actions of both the EPA and Obama.

    Education reform is an up & coming issue, and not just for economic reasons either. Even here in my home state of NC, we have voters (particularly black voters) who are starting to look at educational reform in a positive light and becoming more supportive of ideas such as charter schools. In a state such as WI where so much conflict has taken place but the outcome in terms of school operations have been positive, I think Jindal could easily represent how there can be different ways to approach the issue of refomring our educational system , and he could do so in a way that would resonate with voters.

    I just see a lot of advantages all the way around in choosing Jindal.

    • westcoastpatriette

      In addition to Jindal’s fantastic conservative record, he has the perfect temperament to work with Romney. Although he is naturally much more conservative than Romney, his easy going personality would never upstage Romney and he is just so likeable. I think he would be a perfect match and I have no doubt that he could step into the Presidency should the need ever arise. And he would add some pizazz to Romney’s boring, neutered style.

  • jmike718

    The most talented Republican leader , but his crime is he’d “overshadow” Romney. Adding my two cents to the what rank constitutes an executive argument… After my three year stint in the Army I’d go with a squared away high ranking NCO over an officer to lead the country any day of the week. Maybe then the leadership of this country would accomplish something.

    • acat

      Christie’s east coast loudmouth routine wears thin pretty fast, and his record of accomplishments is pretty narrowly focused… He’s Scott Walker with a mouth, and nobody seriously mentions Walker.

      I like Christie for his current job.

      Mew

      • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

        They still put Honeymooners marathons on don’t they? When was the last time you saw a rerun of Gunsmoke?

        • funwithknives

          on weekdays. One, sometimes Two episodes and Bonanza besides

          What was James Arness better at playing ?
          A Carrot {The Thing} , Or Matt Dillon ?

  • davenj1

    JOHN THUNE. When, by the way, was the last time a sitting member of the House was on a winning ticket? The last known case, I believe, was Geraldine Ferraro and that didn’t end up so well, Of course, Ryan is light years ahead of Ferraro is practically every metric (except gender). Still, I don’t belive Romney will pick a Governor or ex-Governor (two on the ticket?) The last time that happened on a winning ticket was when Wilson was elected. It’ll be an experienced Senator (thus, not Rubio) with no connection to Bush (thus, no Portman). Romney would have to go way out of the box to pick any of the people you mentioned except John Thune.

    • acat

      davenj, could you explain why, other than defeating Daschle, qualifies Thune? Looks like a benchwarmer to this cat.

      Mew

      • davenj1

        sort of profiling exercise. I don’t perceive Romney as one to make a bold statement with his VP choice and he definitely does not want or need someone to overshadow him. He needs someone who will further his message, not have the message defined for him by the Democrats or the media vis-a-vis his VP choice. Throw in some history- Governor/Governor tickets are rare. The last time the GOP had one was in 1948- Dewey and Earl Warren. For the Democrats it was 1916 with Woodrow Wilson. The last time the GOP had that ticket and won was 1900 (McKinley and Theodore Roosevelt). As concerns Thune, he brings Washington experience. Historical trends would then eliminate Pawlenty, Jindal, McDonnell, etc.

        Thune sits on the Senate Budget Committee and the Finance Committee so when it comes to fiscal issues, he is no dope either. Maybe not a policy wonk like Ryan, but knowledgeable. Thune is also ideologically to right of Romney on social issues like abortion, gun control, etc. If there were any lingering doubts about Romney among the conservative base, Thune shores that up.

        Mainly, he brings the right background, the right conservative ideology, the right temperament, and Washington experience as a former Congressman, a sitting Senator and working in the SBA in the Reagan Administration. Some may poo-poo the Washington experience angle, but realistically Romney needs that. Besides, some may denigrate Thune’s Washington experience, but ignore the fact that Ryan others would bring the same thing to the table. He may not be a staple of the Sunday morning talk shows and he won’t deliver that raw red meat speech, but he more than anyone fits the profile.

        Incidentally, the fact he defeated Daschle is besides the point. Someone here, perhaps the author of this article, denigrated Thune’s victory over Daschle as being part of a wave election in 2004. Yet usually in the same breath, these people praise Rubio, Rand Paul, and Portman as being more qualified than a John Thune when those three were elected in an arguably bigger wave election year. They downplay the fact he took out the Senate Minority Leader at the time yet play up the fact Ryan wins in a Democratic district, although that is false (WI-1 is Cook PVI +1 Republican and before Ryan, the Rep. was none other than Mark Neumann who many conservatives are hoping is the choice over Tommy Thompson; that is, seems like Ryan wins in a Republican district that tends to send fiscal conservatives to Congress, not a Democratic district).

        One final word: two negatives about Thune- he voted for TARP, but then most did anyway. Second- earmarks. Even here, he is considerably below those of Republicans like Cochran, Wicker, Grassley and Shelby. In fact, he is about the same as Inhofe and no one questions Inhofe’s conservative credentials. Not saying its right, but there are certainly other conservative Republicans who have greater earmark dollars than John Thune.

        • davenj1

          Paul Ryan ranks 111 out of 435 Congressmen putting him in the top 25.5%. Thune ranks 74 of 100 Senators putting him almost in the bottom 25%. Further, more than half those earmarks of Thune went to Ellsworth AFB in South Dakota, the home of the B-1 bomber fleet. Granted, South Dakota ranks eighth in terms of earmark dollars per capita, but it isn’t all Thune.

          • acat

            As usual, your writing is clear and concise. I still don’t see anything in Thune to get excited over, and I see that as a problem… for Romney.

            Thune does nothing to convince me Romney has a clue; Thune’s got no significant achievements to point at, he may give a decent speech but he hits me as just as milktoast as Romney, and that does NOT need reinforcing!

            Even Thune’s budget and finance committe work has a huge flaw… where’s the budget? Is the lack of one now a feather for Thune? What of sequestration? What of the debt ceiling fiascos? Where the hell was Thune?

            Mew

    • rapskins

      I agree. I’ve said all along it should be Thune.

      Everyone loved Thune when he took out the biggest Dem in ’04. Showed he could perform in the national spotlight. But now he is just a “benchwarmer” to some here. Benchwarmer as in VP? Some of the other names mentioned are just laugable as compared to Thune.
      Thune has no connections to the previous Bush regime.
      Thune is a Washington insider. The senate repubs love Thune, and Romney needs that Washington insider.

      • acat

        Admittedly, there’s no Thune-blank bill like McCain-Feingold or Sarbannes-Oxley, but …even after reading davenj’s piece above, I only see ‘knows where some levers of power are’ and that’s weak.

        What did Thune *DO* since defeating Daschle?
        Why does that qualify him for POTUS-in-waiting and POTUS on 2020?

        Mew

        • tnfriendofcoal101368

          Romney made his fortune as a venture capitalist – if he was as unable to take a risk as some think – he would be poor – that is an inherently risky business. Romney’s specialty was in taking calculated risks thus mitigating the possibility of losing his shirt. What Romney will do is evaluate the ceiling and floor of each the candidates. The reason I don’t speculate on the candidates is I don’t have the polling data, vetting research, or the opinions given to Romney. I guarantee you there is a powerpoint presentation on each of the contenders. The other reason is the last time I was correct was as a 7th grader, I told my Dad that Reagan was going to chose GW Bush.

          I did read at sunshinesarah.com that some planes in Boston have a flight plan filed for Janesville,WI.

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  • renl57

    What have been the two Dem responses to the Ryan plan?

    1. “Deficits and the debt don’t matter right now; don’t worry, be happy.”

    2. “We have a balanced approach” [but they don't spell it out with actual numbers]

    The Dems get away with that only because the voters don’t know that they’re dodging the issue like that.

    Ryan could destroy Biden in a debate on that issue. He could also point out that Obama had the makings of a plan–the Simpson-Bowles commission which he himself appointed–but that he ran away from it when his own left-wing supporters told him to trash it.

    Romney is showing that playing it safe and stonewalling on uncomfortable matters like his tax returns is NOT working. If anything, he’s falling a bit further behind in the polls.

    He might as well pick a running mate who can be a real ideological attack dog. Over and over, Ryan can attack the Obama Administration: “So you hate my plan? Fine. Where’s your alternative? Where’s yours? Where’s yours?”

  • commonsenseobserver

    The mainstream media will spin green shoots for Obama even as the economy collapses. Some voters have just given up, others will be manipulated into thinking that Obama’s plans will work.

    Which means this election will be a referendum on Obama’s record, but also a choice between two futures. Tell the truth and hit Obama hard with it, Mitt.

    • renl57

      In 2008, the Left’s attitude was: “We all want European-style Social Democracy. But we know the rubes in Middle America aren’t ready for that. So let’s lie and pretend like Obama is a moderate.”

      Most conservatives like myself believe that the Ryan plan or something like it WILL be necessary to get entitlement spending under control. We might as well say so, rather than pretend that entitlement spending is just fine just so we can get Romney elected.

  • ateam

    But I am not enamored with any of the VP names. Jindal is the most exciting of the folks, but they all are somewhat short timers.

    Don’t laugh too loudly…but I would like to see J.C. Watts brought back into the fold.

    Smart. Personable. Eloquent. Would carry a considerable part of the midwest/southwest/south.

  • brojohn2

    Paul Ryan would be a good pick, he knows how to campaign and doesn’t mince words,. He is articulate, able to communicate with folks, not just with politicians. Bobby Jindal – whew what a great pick, but he doesn’t really want the job, he says he still has much to do in Louisiana and I agree with him there.
    Marco Rubio, yes a good pick, he will probably bring Florida along with him which would be a big help to Romney. I don’t know that he will have that much of an effect on other Hispanic folks. He does have experience in that he was Speaker of the House in Florida, that is a plus.
    I personally think if you are going to pick a woman, why not an hispanic woman like say, Ros-Lehtinen also from Florida? Also Florida has never had a candidate for VP or President, another plus. The other good thing about Rubio is his name recognition, and his story. Paul Ryan however also has a good story.
    I am still waiting like many of my friends for a little real emotion from this campaign. Romney needs to realize that his campaign management stinks!!!!! Get rid of these amateurs and get some real management into the campaign. You need to be on the attack not allowing the enemy to choose the rules of the fight. We need a VP who will articulate the issues and go on the offense and never slack off for even a minute. ATTACK, the best defense is a good OFFENSE. Get with the progam or LOSE!

  • andrewjs

    Has everyone forgotten Jindal’s horrendous State of the Union reply a few years back? He came across as unprepared and his delivery style gave being in a coma a good name.

    Joe Biden would eat him alive and still have room for dessert.

    • Repair_Man_Jack

      Besides, Biden would probably ask him which 7-11 he worked at or something similarly catastrophic.

    • lineholder

      He’s reaching the point of being rather eloquent in how he expresses himself. Plenty of fire and enthusiasm. Great sense of humor, too.

      As far as I’m concerned, his actions in LA speak volumes about how well he can respond to crises and overcoming obstacles. We’ve got plenty of the latter facing our country right now.

      • andrewjs

        Perhaps you’re right. I would be apply to be proved wrong.

        • Change Jar Conservative

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiAtSEQGcd8&feature=related

    • buster93

      Remember Reagan gave a speech that was flat and became a great President.!!! Conservative and has experience Day 1!!!!
      I look forward to the debates , Jindal is brillant!!!

  • andrewjs

    HAPPY, not “apply”. Stupid autocorrect!

  • tlhanger

    He speaks very well. He laid it all out for running for President. Different than Romnney, but able to see a problem through.

    • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

      As for VP, we need someone that can’t easily be tied to the past.

    • ffc99

      It’s never a good idea to choose a veep who has higher unfavorable numbers than the nominee…

  • snappy101

    If Paul Ryan is the VP pick, the first Democrat ad will be Ryan driving over Granny in his weinermobile. Ryan will subtract votes in Florida. Also, as far as I can tell he has zero executive experience and Romney said something to the effect that the VP should be able to step in and take over.

    I understand the allure of Ryan to reporters/columnists who schmooze with politicians in the DC/NY corridor. It gives them an “in” with the White House if he’s on the ticket and is elected but surely Paul Ryan, who may be a nice man and is surely smart, is not the best pick to complement another bland candidate in the top spot on the ticket. The only ones excited about a Ryan pick will be the inside the beltway types.

    Unrelated to Ryan, when Hispanic names are rattled off why is it I never hear Governor Luis Fortuno’s name mentioned? Is he not eligible?

    • checkmate2012

      everyone that read my post a while back on him know he’s my fav VP pick.

      But the RNC announced him as a speaker at the convention so he’s probably not on the short list :(

      • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

        asked Romney about that. He said they weren’t beyond doing something that would throw people off and that speaking schedules can be changed.

        • checkmate2012

          So he was actually asked about Gov. Fortuno? Wow, too late now per the Ryan pick supposedly. I’m good with Ryan and hopefully it will force O to defend his nothing record.

          Thanks for the info.

  • thebigetrain88

    The immigration issue is tremendously important one. I believe that it is a cancer that spreads out of control and devours our great country. An absolute lack of action is no longer acceptable, and if we don’t want to end up like my home State of California, we had darn better make sure that we get to the business of dealing with that cancer. A tumor must be cut out by “surgeons” with a titanium spine, to use Michele Bachmann’s term. Since I assume that the immigration issue may not be as important to those who want the likes of Marco Rubio and Paul Ryan as a VP, it is beyond any words important to me. The aforementioned couple fails in that regard. Their ratings are at the same level with Claire McCaskill and, get this, they’re even worse than McCain’s. Utterly unacceptable. Out of released names of potential candidates, Bob McDonnell, Bobby Jindal, and Tim Pawlenty all receive better grades. Relatively speaking, of course. They all are no Steve King, Jason Chaffetz or Mike Lee to name just a few with a tough stance. Rob Portman is the worst possibility. We must take the issue of where every and each candidate stands on immigration as seriously as ever. There is no time left.

    • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

      Further, what’s wrong with Ryan’s immigration policy?He’s against amnesty and the Dream Act. He supports e-verify and strengthening border security. His statement is here.

      • thebigetrain88

        I am talking about ratings that are given to him by NUMBERS USA, which is the most important independent organizations there is. They vet every single current and former politician on every single immigration issue that you can think of. They rate each issue from A+ to F-, with A+, of course being the highest grade. Check out his grades and you’ll see what I am talking about. The organization has no reason to make them up. Ryan is pro- amnesty and has failed to act on many other immigration issues when they would come up to vote. Well, he has been chosen as a VP as you may know, so now we can only pray that the nominated couple has the interest of the American voters in their hearts, not illegal aliens’. Romney’s talk in front of a Hispanic audience a few months ago is something I am not interested in hearing, period. There is still some kind of cloud, uncertainty and almost a double talk from the likes of Romney. When they speak to true conservatives, they say something else than when they speak to independent voters, let alone to Hispanics.
        P.S. Thanks for the link. A strange and odd difference between the two sources, indeed.

        • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

          Hmmm. Go here.

          I’m harder than many here with regard to immigration, but there are other issues to consider. Ryan is able to articulate conservative principles as much or more than anyone in recent years.

        • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

          Romney?s talk in front of a Hispanic audience a few months ago is something I am not interested in hearing, period.

          This pretty much says it all.

  • darrell5151

    I know this would be a great choice. Mike gave Mitt and McCain a good run for their money in ’08, and he has endeared himself to the public even more so since then. It doesn’t matter, as far as the left is concerned, Mitt could have Jesus as a running mate, and they would crucify him all over again. At least with Mike as a running mate, Mitt would get a ton of experience, and some one that can speak with the American people in a way that only Mike can do.

    • stumpy

      Huck has already been listed on the convention speech roster, indicating he’s not the pick. Plus there is considerable personal animosity between the two over Mitt’s tactics. Where is primary Mitt when it comes to attacking Obama.

      Jindal is the best. Portman would be terrible for winning.

  • celador2

    I do not think Paul Ryan should be the Romney VP for several reasons. Romney does not need him but we need him in House and in the state of Wisconsin.

    One, Romney is not short financial advise and could call Ryan if he needed him. Ryan is ready to work with Romney and campaigned on voting for Romney to pass the Ryan budget. So Romney has access if Ryan remains in Wisconsin seat on Budget committee.

    Wisconsin may lose the seat if Ryan vacates it. Obama carried his CD 2008 as did Ryan 2010.

    Ryan has been hit unfairly as pushing seniors off a cliff and would be on defensive the entire campaign over the untrue budget reform ads. But he may not be a big vote getter as a result.

    Paul Ryan is doing fine where he is and Romney has so many other choices Paul Ryan serves us all with not being on the ticket 2012.

  • swami7774

    Just a hunch based on the fact that no one’s talking about him anymore.

    • Freiheit (ZachV)

      n/t

      • swami7774

        All the Portman/Pawlenty/Ryan/whoever else talk is probably political chaff. I think Romney is going to surprise a few people.

  • septembergurl

    Earlier today, a charter plane took off in Boston, stopped in Chicago, then flew to the tiny airport in Janesville, Wis. Janesville, of course, is the hometown of Representative Paul Ryan, a top vice-presidential contender. According to a source on the ground, the plane is still in Wisconsin.

    Tomorrow morning, Mitt Romney will visit the USS Wisconsin in Norfolk, Va. For what it?s worth, Ryan is scheduled to be on vacation in Colorado.

    You can track unusual charter flights at FlightAware, a useful website.

    UPDATE: Tagg Romney was in Milwaukee today.

    Hmmm.

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