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Post Labor Day Political Analysis: The Arrogance of “the One” has Caused Him to become Undone

By: Dan Perrin (Diary)  |  September 6th, 2011 at 06:29 PM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

As Perry solidified his lead for the GOP nomination, the opposite has happened to “the One,” who, in short, has become obviously and glaringly undone — in a way that has been so dramatic that even the main stream media cannot ignore it, downplay it or talk around it.

Basically, if there is a credible pollster, Obama has hit that pollster’s all time low, including Gallup, Quinnipiac, CNN, and the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Meanwhile, Gov. Rick Perry leads the GOP field by double digits in the following polls: NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, Gallup, Quinnipiac and CNN.

The fact that the mainstream media (MSM) has begun reporting that “the One” is in real trouble, is directly related to the fact that Governor Perry began to focus their blindingly bias ways on the fact that there is an alternative the MSM could not paint as a idiot or a nutcase (although they tried).

Even Maureen Dowd, in this Sunday’s NYT, mockingly wrote: “The One is dancing on the edge of one term.”

This leads us to the second key point: finally, the MSM is saying what you have been reading here for years: “the One’s” biggest political mistake was ObamaCare. Shocking, but Howard Fineman of the Huffington Post and David Ignatius of the Washington Post both said this over the weekend. Chris Matthews, interviewing Fineman, responded “Wow. Smart statement.”

It is exactly like cats barking.

Too bad these mainstream media leaders came to this decision too late, much, much too late.

And it points to the fundamental arrogance of liberals. They never listen, at least to Americans with legitimate concern’s about “the One’s” policies — so much so that their failure to listen on any number of points may cost ObamaCare its life in the Supreme Court.

But the MSM love to listen and fawn and bow down to “the One.”

“The One” says he is a better political director than his political director, and the liberal mainstream media believe him.

But Americans are no longer believing in “the One.” They no longer believe the economic disaster is President Bush’s fault.

The Trillion dollar President — who spends a trillion on ObamaCare and a trillion in a failed stimulus that just stimulated more government jobs — and urged the Federal Reserve to print, print, and print some more, now finds that his arrogance about his policies is misplaced.

Obvious since the last election, “the One’s” signature policies are both political and policy failures.

That is really hard to pull off, if you are the sitting President.

Political FAIL: “the One’s” policies lost the Dems control of the U.S. House and brought a record 83 GOP freshmen to Congress, not to mention ObamaCare or his total FAIL on the economy.

The fact that the left has taken this long to realize the King has no clothes is beyond idiotic — they are biased, stupid, arrogant people who refuse to listen — and now, when they can no longer keep up the fiction that the King has any clothes, they state the obvious, and their pals call them smart for calling ObamaCare a political blunder. Really?

On energy, the half a billion dollars dumped into the so-called green job super star, Solyndra, is another example of the arrogance and total stupidity of the White House, and “the One” in particular.

Americans have never believed that government will save them, and after going four trillion dollars in debt with no visible improvement in the economy (unless you work for the Federal government as a bureaucrat) clearly show the arrogance of the left, and “the One”.

But, wait, Governor Perry is leading the real change that is coming.

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  • Jack_Savage

    “But Obama can?t turn into F.D.R. for the campaign because he aspires to the class that F.D.R. was a traitor to; and he can?t turn into Harry Truman because he lacks the common touch. He has an acquired elitism.”

    An acquired elitism. Score.

    and

    “Obama is still suffering from the Speech Illusion, the idea that he can come down from the mountain, read from a Teleprompter, cast a magic spell with his words and climb back up the mountain, while we scurry around and do what he proclaimed.

    The days of spinning illusions in a Greek temple in a football stadium are done. The One is dancing on the edge of one term. “

    • http://www.hsacoalition.org Dan Perrin

      even if I don’t agree with her much.

      But she is nailing it on “the One.”

  • wennejunk

    Was really amazed that all (I mean all) were laughing at Perry, ho well he was doing in the polls and how he was the perfect gift for Obama.

    The disconnect to reality was vomit-provoking.

    • http://www.hsacoalition.org Dan Perrin

      and he is sending the liberals into apoplexy

  • jaykali

    Obama needs a miracle. I am sure he is not feeling real great ab wanting to sign up for another 4 years although he knows that it will be humiliating to lose. ’08 was viewed as an upset, and maybe it was for the Democratic nomination but no one thought the Republicans were going to win. I feel like it’s the exact opposite mood just 3 years later. America now has a reminder that liberals don’t know what the hell they’re doing and shouldn’t be given the keys to the largest economy in the world.

    • http://www.hsacoalition.org Dan Perrin

      and he would be really done

      • gracie

        If she did; what if she won?
        Seems like she could possibly win the general due to the false assumption that she could moderate like Bill. But we all remember that she is further left than Bill and certainly would not repeal Obamamcare.

        I want him done too, fried to a crisp.
        But, but, we could end up with HER!

        (I am already a Perry fan but he IS soft on immigration.)

        • gekster

          nt

          • gracie

            I have been out of town.
            I DO think he is soft but I doubt that any reason I give is not something you hav enot already thought of, gekster.

            He does not believe in a fence even thought in CA the fence stopped 70%.
            .
            I have read he is not for e-verify but cannot find a link to prove it. When I was searching for that I came across this:

            http://www.ontheissues.org/Rick_Perry.htm#Immigration

            If you go there you will see that not much is written! I have my doubts that just increasng boots on the ground will do it. I am not here to argue the Texas Dream Act; I see the merits mentioned. Another article discussed his proposed work permit program as amnesty. I disagree…there is much need for migrant workers in the fields. It would be good to know when they are here, who they are and if they are matched up with an employer. It would bed a way to start providing a framework for control.

            But there is a sense here among people I know that he is not serious about immigration. Of course it is hugely complex withour huge Latino population. Still when I read and compare him with the others in the above article, I am noticing what he is NOT saying. Such as about English being the official language, stopping social services, Social Security/Medicaid, using e-verify, He does not seem to be talking about deportation or taxing the monies sent back home.

            It seems single minded…just getting help from the Feds. IMO there has to be an all of the above approach to make it work.

          • gekster

            I posted a vid of the debate. It is still on the comment list.
            Please take a look and see what he says.
            It may not be a complete answer, but it is his words.
            Again, thanks for the response.

          • gracie

            I did hear him talk about drones and more boots on the ground. I am just hoping it is enough. This is such a complex problem!! It makes my head spin; I can only imagine what it does to him.

            I am at peace voting for Perry but I am in the local Tea Party so people are always asking me tough questions. The only way I can prepare myself is to read everything I have time for especially here. I have sent out the “17(18) Negatives…” and it was just enough to get several people off of the fence.

            But I like, no love the way you come in with your subtle questions and make people think.

          • gekster

            if someone says something, or makes a claim about someone or something, I ask a question, and want to know what they mean.
            It is educational to me, and others, and sometimes shows something about the person making the claim.
            Some have taken that as an attack, just by asking questions.
            Some have taken it as to what they are really saying. and alot just don’t respond.
            I want to be informed, as that is the only way to make a good descision about candidates.
            And the only reason I asked why of you, was to maybe find out about something you may know, that I havn’t heard yet.
            Thanks for taking the time to reply.

            (and my friends use a small g, I hope you will in the future, and you know what I mean).

          • gekster

            If someone says something about a candidate, ask them why they think that way.
            It will not only tell you about them, but it will open a door for you to tell them where they might be wrong about someone.

            When they say ‘thats what everyone is saying’, ask who is everyone,
            If they say ‘we believe that’ ask who is we.
            You will be suprised by some answers, and you can let them know they can think for themselves, and not follow the crowd.

          • jaykali

            a) it’s not as big of a priority as the economy and even tho it is related, politicians aren’t going to use up political capital on something that’s a loser for them
            b) both sides are really dug in.

            I suppose a president might be able to do some things border/enforcement related without congress, in which case that might be doable, but no immigration reform type thing is going to happen any time soon so it kind of doesn’t any matter.

        • acat

          Why let him slither off into retirement? I want a chance to say “You’re fired!” when I cast my vote. Quietly, of course.

          As for Perry, I don’t think he’s “soft” on immigration, I think it’s an issue that’s been left to fester a long time, and will take some hard work to solve.

          I think Perry has a good ground-level view of the problem, and I’d trust his judgement far more than Romney’s. (Just how many illegals from Canada come down to Boston looking for jobs, anyway?)

          Mew

          • Locked and Loaded

            nt

          • westcoastpatriette

            regarding Perry and illegal immigration. While his apparent sympathy for the children of illegals has been made known and, quite frankly, makes me very nervous about hidden sympathy he may have for all illegals, it is unfair to assess Perry’s stances without factoring in all kinds of factors that are and have been out of his control as governor.

            I just hope, if he does have a hidden agenda (such as “I will push behind the scenes for an across the board amnesty after elected”) or (“I will pretend I am against amnesty but sabotage all attempts at enforcement”) that this will be uncovered before the primary.

          • acat

            by people who insist that the Texas Dream Act and the California Dream Act (or the Illinois Dream Act or even the National Dream Act that crashed and burned back when the Senate brought it up…) are all exactly the same thing.

            It’s just not true.

            Perry doesn’t seem to have a problem with rewarding a good academic work ethos coupled with paying taxes in Texas with a road to citizenship .. and neither do I.

            Mew

          • gekster

            that these kids have to pay thier own way.
            No subsidies, no taxpayer money for them to go to school.
            Unless I suppose that one would have garnered a scholership, but then again earned on thier own.

          • westcoastpatriette

            Texas Dream Act make sense. But, and it is a big but, it leaves justification for the rest of the twelve to twenty million who are here to receive the same sensible path to citizenship. Are you also in favor of that? After all, by your line of reasoning, they are taxpayers already so that in and of itself entitles them to be given an exception to the rules, No?

            Just trying to flesh out what your thinking is with respect to the bigger picture.

          • acat

            Are they, in fact, paying taxes? In Texas, because there’s no income tax, Perry can get away with saying “They already paid into the system”, but that’s not the case in California, or nationwide…

            It’s important to strike the right balance here.

            It’s very easy to fall into the Tancredo trap and say “Deport ‘em all!” without considering what the mechanisms to do so would cost, both in terms of taxes and in terms of civil rights violations for citizens and legitimate immigrants.

            It’s very easy to fall into the Liberal trap, likewise, and say “Let ‘em all come in!” without realizing that what the Libs actually want are a new voting bloc, even though most catholic hispanics are more culturally aligned with Conservatism. (strong families, check – strong work ethic, check …)

            The tightrope between these seems, to me, best met with three answers.

            E-Verify, nationwide, for getting a job, licensing a car, or buying or renting real estate. Database to be maintained by the Feds, but fines for employers, car buyers, or landlords can be collected by the State. Incentivize bureaucrats to enforce the laws.

            A self-reporting guest worker program. Anyone can register and receive a tax ID number. The business that they work for will receive paperwork to make the job legal at the Federal level, and the State treasurers will be notified of the existence of the job as well, provided the State has an income tax. Again, incentivize the bureaucrats.

            Increased border enforcement, with an eye toward keeping gang activity, human or narcotic traffic, or general violence on the appropriate side. I’d like to see this accomplished with some block grants to the border States so each can decide how to enforce its’ own border. The concerns of Minnesota are not the same as Texas or California, eh?

            Mew

          • westcoastpatriette

            and thank you for the well-thought-out plan.

            As an aside, California does have an income tax but we also have a huge sales tax–around 8.5 % so any one who resides here is paying into the system from that respect.

            I really like answer 1 and 3 but am a little queasy on 2. It just seems too open in terms of flooding the system with low-paying jobs. Not sure that one is the way to go.

          • acat

            If person A is paying person B to do work, then .. it’s a job.

            If persons A and B are not reporting the income and paying the taxes, then the job is undocumented, beyond whether person B is legal or not.

            The goal I’m after is driving these illegal jobs into the sunlight. Some are legit, some aren’t, but the State is not capturing taxes on any of them…

            Mew

          • westcoastpatriette

            nt

          • westcoastpatriette

            I want to hear your thoughts on one more aspect of this issue that is rarely discussed and that is how can we incentivize Mexico to discourage illegal entry?

            I know nothing in this realm of politics but I do know that billions are sent back to family monthly and so Mexico continues to sabotage efforts to stem the tide across the border. Is this an area that would require federal intervention in the form of a treaty or is that something the border states have jurisdiction to negotiate? Any knowledge in this area?

          • acat

            run as badly and by as idiotic and obvious an oligarchy (kleptocracy, more like) as Mexico would have either gone through a revolt (or two) since the PRI took power or .. more likely, we’d at least have *smart* kleptocrats giving way to technocrats.

            Because the U.S. has absorbed their surplus cannon fodder (young, angry, unemployed men) and acted as de facto welfare (by way of those same cannon fodder) for their working poor, they haven’t had to clean their own house.

            What’s happening south of the border right now, though, is that a new group of oligarchs, who made their way up in a much more aggressive industry – drugs – are sick of the old structure, and are pushing the bloated ticks of the old guard aside. Violently.

            There’s three end games I can see to this. First, the old ticks figure out how to fight back. This results in less of the drug trade, but doesn’t get us a competent Mexico. Second, the old ticks die, the new ones take some form of legitimacy (through a rigged election, forex) and we’re then left with an actual criminal State on our southern border. Third, we get a full-on hot war, with troops for both groups engaging one another and/or civilians, and a full-on humanitarian crisis on our southern border.

            My pragmatic suggestion, elsewhere and on Red State has been to stand up another division – that’s roughly 12,500 soldiers plus officers – of either Army or Marines, with an emphasis on border patrol activities. That’s not quite doubling the size of the border patrol, by the way. That way, when – not if – Mexico does have their next civil war, we can keep it from taking place in the southern cities of the U.S.

            My tongue-in-cheek suggestion is to purchase the northernmost Mexican States, the ones that border the U.S., in a “Louisiana Purchase” or “Gadsden Purchase” style agreement. Then, the President appoints Governors to these States who will serve 5 year terms, nobody serving more than 5, for 5 total terms. During this 25 year window, the FBI and INS make sure everyone’s accounted for, that the cops are doing their jobs, update the laws as needed, and the add some stars to the flag. Oh, and – of course – enforce the new border a bit better than we did the old one.

            Mew

          • lineholder

            and outside the proverbial box it may be, if you could expand it as a location point for all transitory and currently illegal immigrants….

          • acat

            and plenty of natural resources that the PRI has failed to make effective use of, both in terms of beaches and in terms of Pemex wells….

            Mew

          • westcoastpatriette

            Next?

        • http://www.hsacoalition.org Dan Perrin

          for the good of the country

          • acat

            by the whole Hope-and-Change-acropolis going down in flames at the ballot box in the general election.

            If we end up with a Hillary vs. Mitt election, I think she could pull it out .. and I don’t see where that’s the best possible outcome.

            I have long been on record, however, as expecting someone other than Obama to be on the ballot for the Dems in 2012.

            Mew

          • gracie

            while I would love to see her shred him, it does make me fear her becoming Prez.

          • jaykali

            I would love it bc a sitting president getting primaried means they are so weak they will get crushed in the general.

            Just not going to happen. Unless it’s someone so out on the fringe that they are barely noticeable like Matt Damon or somebody. Not a legit contender like Hilary.

      • jaykali

        It won’t happen, but in this theoretical universe she wouldn’t win bc that just doesn’t happen in politics. But let’s say Obama is caught some kind of scandal of Nixon proportions that made him have to step down.

        Hilary wouldn’t win bc she would have to take nuanced positions of positions held by Obama and any other Democrats that have failed and been rejected by the American public. The swing voters that decide elections want something very different when they are dissatisfied with the current results. They don’t want some slight change.

        When Obama ran in 08 you knew we were in for change. You knew big time spending projects, more domestic focus, a big health care overhaul would be a top priority, etc. – what was the big policy difference that McCain was proposing? He could only tinker around the edges, he didn’t have any sort of big policy ideas that would differ from the Republican president. I mean he talked ab earmarks…okay then what? Deficits weren’t at the fever pitch they are now.

        Fast forward 4 years. People are tired of big spending projects and deficit spending and big govt intervention. What can Hilary or Obama offer? Tax increases on the wealthy? THAT’S A WINNING TICKET (sarcasm). Um more but lesser spending packages? Green jobs? (laugh track)

        Republicans now have a platform that can win: sweeping deregulation, big spending cuts, big tax reform, Obamacare repeal, big-time domestic energy agenda. These are all things in high demand bc of the failures of the current policies. Thus the Republicans have this thing if they don’t screw it up.

        The only thing that would screw it up would be of course the weaknesses of the presidential candidate him or herself. That should not be overlooked, but it would take some bigtime blunders for the republican to lose this time just like it would have for the democratic candidate to lose last time. I mean I still can’t believe Obama wasn’t hurt big his close friend and pastor on VIDEO saying GD America!! – unbelievable.

        Now one last note, it would be much more likely that Obama in a panic move would replace the VP candidate. That would be bold and would be the most likely risky-type move that could happen. If you put Hilary on the ticket that would create some buzz. Ultimately it would look desperate but the upside might be better than running ole Joe out there again. I’d put the odds low on a VP type move but I think every president running for re-election considers it. Hilary is still pretty popular.

  • Paul_In_Houston

    I wrote the post “…and the sharks will come.” in June 2010.

    so far, I stand by it.

    They appear to already be circling.
    -

    • acat

      I gave your blog a hit. You’re welcome.

      I didn’t find it *wrong*, but .. I don’t think you took the conjecture far enough.

      There was no way, given the build-up that Obama got, that he could do anything but crash to earth, Icarus-like … the question was only the size of the crater.

      What I’d like to know is what you think can be done to educate your young security guard about this, to help him to not make the mistake of confusing man for superman again.

      Mew

      • Paul_In_Houston

        WHY is it considered a “no-no”?

        Would it be better if I had just posted the entire article here as my comment? (As I have no advertising on my blog, it’s not like I’m making money from it.)

        After all, people can simply ignore it.

        Perhaps if I put up an “EIN Warning” (Exercise in Narcissism)? :-)

        As for the security guard, I’ve found no answers with which to sway true believers and can only hope he has learned from this.
        -

        • acat

          including The Management … but.

          In short, it’s asking people who are reading one site to go read another.

          While *you* don’t have adverstising up, others do. Others have worse than advertising up as well. (malware, virus-infected pages, NSFW links, etc.)

          Had you re-posted the entire thing as a Red State diary, with links to your blog, it would not have been a problem.

          As for swaying true believers, my own experience is the same… they just transfer their belief to a new icon every so often. Seems to be something in the wiring. That said, I’d be very happy to move someone from “Obama is great” to “Obama is great but government sucks”. At least, at that point, we may be able to get some downticket votes for people who want to reduce government.

          Mew

        • gekster

          and cross post it to your site.
          That is accceptible practice.

          Moe lane does it all the time, as have others.
          read one of Moe’s articles, and you will see.

          • http://www.hsacoalition.org Dan Perrin

            and if the European debt crisis implodes, the hit “the One” will take will be hard enough to make Jimmy Carter look good

          • acat

            Of course, by “interesting”, I mean “DOOM” …

            Mew

  • popdaddy

    I will urge my reps, Lamar Smith, John Cornyn and Kay Barely to skip this campaign speech.

    It?s a disgrace to the nation that The Moron would be allowed to compromise the Constitutional process to drag the members of the House and Senate into a political campaign speech.

    The GOP members of the House and Senate will be better served.doing the business of their constituents, attending kick off parties, getting better reservations at restaurants and than wasting time listening to the Moron.

    • http://www.hsacoalition.org Dan Perrin

      it is enough — and it really is hard to dignify him, given what he has done to the country to date

  • Paul_In_Houston

    In short, it?s asking people who are reading one site to go read another.

    I never saw the problem in that because doing precisely that was what got me hooked on blogs in the first place. The particular example is noted (EIN Warning) in the sidebar on my blog about “Really Fine Posts By Others”, specifically “Today, I was unprofessional” (from an offsite link on MSNBC, of all places), by Frank Martin, who used to blog as “VariFrank”.
    It’s all HIS fault! :-)

    To both acat and gekster, re using Red State Diary:

    That had simply never occurred to me. Thank you, for the suggestion. God knows what you may have sown.
    -

    • Paul_In_Houston

      That was meant to be a reply in the “… and the sharks will come.” thread. This explanation is almost certainly superfluous.
      -

  • pttx333

    Excellent analysis of the cult of Obama and further breakdown of our culture – authored by a psychiatrist who is a former liberal. This is a must read.

    • pttx333

      http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/the_cult_of_obama.html

      • http://www.hsacoalition.org Dan Perrin

        original and worth the read.

        Thanks for suggesting it.

        • pttx333

          and confirms some things that I have believed since the first saw I ever saw and heard b.o. My problem is, and will always remain so, that I just don’t get the mindset of those who so gleefully and willingly fall into the bottomless pit of this mania.

          Robin of Berkeley’s articles are always a good read on American Thinker, and I try to catch them when she posts. Glad you enjoyed this one, Dan.

      • lineholder

        The author is correct about breaking the spirit. For people who seek complete and total control, regardless of whether it is on a personal level or a societal level, they see it as being necessary to break the spirit of others, because it is only when that spirit is broken that they obtain they type of control that allows them the opportunity to rebuild the person or society into what they want them to become.

        This principle has been in use for many, many years. Sometimes for good. Other times for evil. It’s a dangerous process, because there’s inner damage that is done that may never be undone, despite all efforts made to the contrary.

        I happen to agree with the author’s premise, but the author really didn’t get into the element of “withholding” very much. That’s just a part of the process. Withholding the things that they know others desire, want, need, etc. And putting obstacles in the path that prevent them from obtaining the things they want, need, desire, etc. on their own.

        Think about it….what would most of us as Americans want right now? Jobs, so we can be self-reliant, supporting ourselves and our families, providing ourselves with things that we need such as food, clothing, housing, economic security, etc?

        And what has the Obama admin been doing? Increasing regulatory measures. Stalling. Doubling down. Withholding.

        • pttx333

          particularly since she is a recovering liberal. I was never liberal, not even in my youth, so it is difficult for me to understand the thought process.

          Good point about the withholding aspect of this particular insanity and agree with you. I’m just trying to get my mind around the “why” of those who wish to control as well as how the willing victims so eagerly fall into the trap.

          All I can see is pure evil at work and that it must be stopped asap. We must turn the tide – very soon it will be too late. I grieve for our beloved country that our forefathers gave their very lives to build and damn those who are doing a really good job of intentionally destroying it. But, most of all, I blame those who have allowed it to occur by stupidly voting for the messiah. They have foisted their stupidity upon the rest of us, and I am very angry about it. The only cure is to vote out this administration, the RINOs and anyone who is in the tank for the evil games being played. It will take a very, very strong person to do this, and he will get my vote.

          • lineholder

            There’s just a situation I went through about a decade back involving someone I loved very much who just got caught up in the mindset of power and control. Because of those experiences, I know how the “game” is played, I guess you could say.

            As to how the victims become victims, I’ll share this much with you. Ten years ago, my level of insight and understanding into what is of evil in the world that we live was shallow and limited. I just wasn’t someone who had the depth of insight and discernment that would let me wrap my mind around what goes on behind the scenes and under the surface when a person becomes consumed by a desire for power and control. I think that’s true for a lot of people, especially in our modern day society where there’s so much moral relativism and so little emphasis put on absolutes.

            Anyway, without the scope of understanding, insight and discernment, the individual doesn’t recognize how to guard against those “power plays”. It leaves them vulnerable without knowing that they are vulnerable.

            The biggest problem with it is the damage that is done in process. Think about the words “spirit of…” and how the “spirit of (something) plays into our actions day by day without our necessary realizing it. Examples: hope, joy, generosity, goodness, compassion, determination, perseverance, longsuffering, etc. All associated with that part of us as human beings where the potential for what is of good exists, right?

            That’s what is at risk. That’s where the damage is done.

            In the context of what’s going on in our society, I think those of us who “get it” have to stand as the front guard for those who don’t. The elections in 2012 do represent an opportunity to turn the tide. I agree 100% with that.

          • lineholder

            the spirit of independence, which in this particular case is a key point, don’t you think?

          • pttx333

            “dark side” (for lack of a better term) of control and manipulation. It is beyond my comprehension as to why anyone would want to control another person. What has that person gained? At some point, the one who is being controlled will always revolt and run away (or worse) – that is a given. So what has been accomplished is that the controller is left standing with egg on his/her face. Big whooptie doo – that can’t be fun.

            I do understand the vulnerability angle but also feel that in order to know love we must be vulnerable to an extent. Sometimes we get burned, but that is a part of life’s lessons and helps to make us stronger. I was brought up in a very innocent era when society was much more kind, civil and considerate. That was a blessing in one way and a curse in another. The curse was being very naive and vulnerable to those wishing to do you harm. But we learn and go forward, being more discriminating the next time. Just like Reagan’s “trust but verify” philosophy – something I live by.

            Yes, the spirit of independence is what sets us free. Without it, we are mind-controlled robots with a herd mentality.

            Enjoyed your input and help, lineholder. We can learn so much from others if we listen carefully.

          • lineholder

            Okay, I was going to leave this be, but if you believe that the outcome is always that the person revolts and runs away, that isn’t true, pttx333. There are other outcomes.

            One is that an immobolizing spirit of fear pervades the relationship, and the “controllee” stays out of fear. That’s what I did for a while.

            Another outcome is that a psychological dependency develops where the controllee depends on the controllee for various mental and emotional needs. I went through some of that, too.

            A third outcome is that a rather twisted sense of gratitude and loyalty develops, similar to the Stockholm syndrome. I did leave before it got it to that point.

            In some cases, the controllee finds the strength to love “in spite of”, but it’s very hard to do. It really is.

            I did make the break away from it, but not everyone does, pttx333. I just wanted you to know the truth about that part of it.

          • pttx333

            When I said “revolt and run away (or worse)” – the “or worse” part was just as you describe. “Worse” is staying, enabling, being co-dependent – that is a living hell, in my view. Bottom line, the controller still has nothing. Even with the Stockholm Syndrome thing, the controller has nothing. Sooner or later, the choices become: divorce, suicide, murder or the funny farm. And that can come from either party – i.e., the controller becomes bored or the controllee finally “gets it.” Any way you go in such a relationship, a good outcome is impossible to attain without huge changes from both parties, and I’m very skeptical of any changes being true, lasting ones. Or that is what I have observed and lived through during my many years on this earth.

            Good for you that you found the strength and courage to do what was best for you. It is extemely difficult to make such a decision, because the easiest thing to do is absolutely nothing. And that is the pitiful part of it.

          • http://www.hsacoalition.org Dan Perrin

            really glad pttx333 kicked things off

          • pttx333

            These things are fascinating to me also. I love the give-and-take of the discussions – one can learn a lot from them, throwing out the useless info and retaining the useful for your particular needs. I was in a Catholic support group (though I’m not Catholic, it did not matter) for the divorced, widowed and separated for a long while, and they saved my life. You learn that you are not insignificant and all sorts of other life-saving confirmations. The rap sessions were always the best – we discussed every topic that exists, and I gained new insight from each session. Not to mention that you have the blessed opportunity to gain new wonderful friends who become a permanent fixture in your life. It is recommended by me for anyone in any situation.

            Thanks for the input, Dan. Love the feedback.

          • pttx333

            Two things that I have learned and that are with me always are very practical and logical:

            1) In order to go on a guilt trip, you must first pack your bags.

            2) In order to be walked on, you must first get down on the floor.

            Revealing, huh? Think about them, it helps.

          • lineholder

            Regardless of what my own experiences have been, it genuinely is a fascinating topic, filled with a lot of those undertones about life and people, whether they are subtle or blatant, good or evil, that most of us never really discuss.

            LOL, It isn’t like this is a subject that people sit around talking about at the dinner table. Sometimes, I wonder why we don’t.

          • pttx333

            I believe that we, as a whole, would be the better for it. It would help to alleviate the age-old pitfalls of falling into traps of which we were unaware. Knowledge is a wonderful thing – always. The things we have discussed today are applicable in any situation – be it political, personal, business, etc. – and a great deal of understanding and better choice-making skills can be learned. Good and evil must be discussed, even with our children, grandchildren or whomever. Particularly in the case of children, they should be aware of evil – age-sensitive, though, of course. These are the realities of life and are meant to be met head-on, not hidden away in some distant closet.

            But, these are my views. Feel free to disagree at any time – doesn’t hurt my feelings in the least. I welcome opposing views thereby learning new things myself.

          • lineholder

            One of the things I’ve mentioned before in other posts is that I grew up in a home with good Christian parents, but they never talked about what is of evil. Both of them had been raised in homes where there was an attitude that “good people don’t talk about such things” and this kind of attitude carried over into their adult lives. So it just never was discussed.

            And truth being told, I was what the Bible calls “simpleminded”, meaning that I was lacking in insight and discernment. Most people develop at least some sense of insight and discernment over time, and learning the absolute truth about good versus evil can actually have a positive influence on that development. It just didn’t happen for me, and I had no “big picture” context that let me learn how to make wise choices in life at all until I was almost 40. Seriously. Lots of mistakes and unwise choices in those 40 years.

            But that all changed during the experiences I’ve mentioned above. For reasons of His own, God intervened in my behalf. That’s the only way I know of explaining it.

            The thing is that when God intervenes in your behalf where insight and discernment are concerned, there are no half measures. You get the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and the truth regarding evil that exists in the world we live in runs deep. Much deeper than even what I’ve said here.

            It was an amazing experience all the way around. Painful as the dickens, and it took me a few years to “get up to speed”. But I’ll always be grateful for it until my dying day. So when I get a chance to share bits and pieces of that insight with others, I appreciate it very much. Who knows when it might come in handy for their sakes?

          • http://www.hsacoalition.org Dan Perrin

            Rarely are there these types of discussions on RedState and I think we are poorer for it.

          • pttx333

            Lineholder, I too was brought up in a good Christian home, but we discussed most everything, with some things being taboo of course. The dinner table each night was our discussion time, and we might sit there for two hours. I was so blessed. Even at that, though, I still made some really stupid choices down the line, but learned to forgive myself – that is the hardest part. LOL

            The name of my church group that I discussed previously was The I.O.U. Group. The motto came from something Albert Schweitzer said: (paraphrasing here) “For those of us who have suffered and healed, we owe a debt to those who suffer still.” I live by that credo – that if I can say just one thing to someone somewhere at some time that might help them in some way, than I am paying back what I owe. And I will owe back until I breathe no more. Call it a pyramid scheme if you like, LOL, but it works. It is a very small thing to do and most of the time you will never know if/when you might have helped another, but you know in your heart that you have tried your best. Not to be intrusive or insert yourself where things are none of your business, but when the opportunity arises naturally to be ready to aid in some way.

          • lineholder

            you’ve mentioned in your closing statement, too, and to exercise discretion on the topic. What’s really great is when someone comes back later and says to me, “do you remember what you said about such-and-such? I’ve been thinking about that and….” That’s an amazing thing to me, after all the years of my life of being on the simpleminded side. It’s awesome.

          • lineholder

            aversion to what is of evil in life. Not everyone is interested, and even those who are don’t always talk about it in great depth.

            I guess I’m outside the “norm” on that point, because the subject fascinates me. Put the topic of what is of evil together with the subjects human development and human character, and I could talk all day, turning myself into a boorish example of piety in the eyes of others, perhaps, but it is just that fascinating to me.

    • rightwingmom52

      this is a much more worthwhile read than a couple of other diairies today where our side seems to be engaged in a battle of words and wits with each other, when we need to be focusing on the war the left is waging on our country.

      Great article, pttx. I bought Ann Coulter’s book, Demonic, but haven’t read it yet. Reviews point me to think that it goes in a direction similar to the AT article.

      Lineholder, I think geography plays a part in the failure to discuss “evil.” As I’ve said before, our upbringing and ages sound similar. Add being raised in the south, particularly in a small, rural community like I was, or even in a smaller city like my husband was, and I think it’s easier to be naive to evil than for those who live in more populated areas.

      My husband and I recently had a discussion with my younger sister who is a high shool principal. She was telling us some of the horror stories of what she has to deal with (she is as conservative as I am, with a very tender heart) and how she tries to help. For example, the young girl whose mom was trying to talk her into an abortion (mom lived in another town). The girl was afraid to tell her dad she was pregnant because she didn’t want to disappoint him. I have no doubt that the discussions she had with my sister resulted in saving that baby’s life, even though it’s likely my sister was violating some NEA rule with the advice she gave.

      Anyway, our discussion centered on whether or not people are meaner today than when we grew up, or are we just more aware because of the instant access we have to more information. Hubby and I leaned to the former, while my sister believed the latter. I know that evil has existed since the dawn of time and always will, and I’m sure it was there in my community, but I can’t help but believe things are worse now.

      Let’s take pornography as an example. Back in my day, about the worst a boy could find to look at was a Playboy magazine (not to make light of that being bad enough). Now, we are bombarded at every turn with lewdness in prime time television and advertising (seen the Abercrombie & Fitch or Aerie ads), not to mention the filth that pours over the internet to unsuspecting parents and children. In conservative curmudgeon’s recent diary, a regular poster said,

      In terms of the pornography issue, I don?t see how you can effectively police that without creating what China has?a government bureaucracy empowered to shut down websites on their own with limited accountability and transparency.

      So we have to accept all or nothing? I tried more than a few filters and blockers on our home computer, but an older boy still managed to show my son an image I’d like to erase from his memory. And I was the parent who scoffed at the notion that kids have privacy rights. I bought spyware so I could keep an eye on things during those times I couldn’t physically look over his shoulder. It still amazes me at the number of parents I hear say they won’t invade their kid’s privacy by looking at their Facebook pages, especially the girls. A predator’s dream scenario.

      No doubt good and evil people exist in both parties, though I struggle to reconcile that considering the liberal platform as it stands today. We have our own share of spineless politicians in our own party, but that doesn’t change the fact that conservatism is good and just, and it provides the better blueprint for government. We just have to do a better job convincing voters.

      • lineholder

        is based are stronger, morally and ethically, and if we could get leaders who will stand by those principles, it would do our nation a lot of good. Maybe that makes me sound like a purist, but in a societal context, it is very much so true. If you really stop and think about, we have plenty of opportunities and challenges here to make a difference, that’s for certain.

        And do you remember a previous time when I posted some poll results about the response in the 18-29 year old group about moral issues such as abortion and how they are even more staunch in their pro-life opinions and positions than some of us older folks?

        There’s hope yet for this nation of ours, and God willing, we’ll see a shift in some of these trends before long.

        • rightwingmom52

          and have that study bookmarked. Science and technology working for good!

          As for your last sentence, I couldn’t have said it better myself. That’s definitely my prayer.

      • pttx333

        Brilliant analyses and comments from you all – I feel so blessed to share these thoughts and histories. How refreshing! Particularly in light of the fact that I believe that which we discuss goes hand-in-hand with everything we discuss each day on RS and elsewhere. For these are the things that bring us to make our choices of which everything from which movie to see all the way up to who do we want for President. Everything stems from our values and belief systems. I don’t know when was the last time that I had a more interesting vein of discussion – and all in one day! The four of us seem to have the same values and beliefs. You see, I happen to believe that this cultural rot that we are experiencing today stems from the lack of family values – the home, if you will.

        I know that I am older than the three of you (turned 71 last Wednesday), but I’m not a little old lady sitting on the porch knitting. Not that there is anything wrong with that, it is just that I am too “nosy” (my word for it) to let the world pass me by without jumping into the middle of it. I am a retired paralegal who worked many years in downtown Houston for a huge conservative and wonderful law firm. Conservative meaning we defended against the trial lawyers silly lawsuits – or most of them were silly, not all, some are truly legitimate. I learned so much there about people and life, the good/bad/evil/kind. I will miss it until I die. My children are ages 48 (son) and daughter (45), seven grandchildren and three small great-grandchildren. Must have done something right! Every last one of them who is old enough to vote is conservative. How’s that? My oldest granddaughter once said to me “Mimi, you’re not like other grandmothers.” I was prepared to burst into tears when she added “But, Mimi, that’s a good thing.” I love all of them dearly. My husband died in 1999, remarried in 2003 to a nice guy, but his very grown children were very jealous and thought he had betrayed their mother’s memory. He had been a widower 12 years when we married! Too bad that he would not stand up to any of them so we are split, he lives with a single daughter who never married, and I happily live alone. Such is life in the fast lane as they say.

        As for growing up, like you, RWM, I grew up in two different small towns in West Texas and, like you, small towns truly produce innocence than do large towns or cities. Besides, we were always at least 10 years behind the rest of the country. LOL Then in my day there was the Happy Days thing going on – it was wonderful.

        In rearing my two children, it was a struggle to protect them and teach them at the same time. Of course, there are going to be bobbles along the way but we came out unscathed, and they are wonderful, productive, decent citizens who love God and this blessed country. Perfect mother? No, I wasn’t – babies don’t come with printed instructions. Today I would probably be in jail – they got their fannies busted (just to get their attention) when they were younger and grounded when older. But we also talked and talked and the dinner-time, family discussion tradition was kept in place by me. I was a stay-at-home Mom for many years – Cub Scout den mother, Brownie leader, home room mother, Halloween Carnival chairman, etc., and lived at baseball games with my son and piano/ballet recitals with my daughter. Were we well-to-do? No, just normal folks who scrimped along, but we did it.

        As for childrens’ privacy, RWM, I’m in your corner. Thank God above that I didn’t have to put up with the invasive internet and other techie stuff with my babies, but there were other things. I figured then and figure now that as long as their feet were under my table that I had every right to know what they were doing and who they were talking to, etc. They knew very well who was the boss, and it wasn’t the two of them! LOL The house entry way was usually littered with their friends’ shoes, snacks were provided and it was great. But I knew where my two were. Those were the glory days, and you will miss them when they are gone. We remain close and still talk all the time, but I do not and wouldn’t even think of interfering in their lives. It is their turn to fall on their own fannies, just as I did.

        Please remain in touch with me. We can and will work toward changing hearts and minds, because I firmly believe that is the key to everything. Not the ugly, vile, disgusting discourse that I have seen all over the internet. But I remain above the fray intentionally by not responding in kind. And, believe it or not, on another site two Ron Paul loons actually apologized to me! Can you believe it?

        Gotta run, the GOP debate is coming on. Grab the popcorn!!

        • rightwingmom52

          Thanks for sharing your story.

          I’m not surprised about the apologies from RP’s supporters. I’ve had a few discussions with some fellow GOP and tea party members who are supporters. I just kept feeding them information and giving them something to take home and research until one finally asked me how come I knew more about Ron Paul than he did. LOL.

          • pttx333

            Well, guess it is silly of me to ramble on with “my story” – though a thumbnail sketch – but, believe it or not, it helps me to get over the rough spots of it and, hopefully, to help another in the process. You never know.

            I do the same thing with the RP, et al., supporters. Speak calmy, drown them with facts then they calm down also, as a rule. Some don’t – they continue on with their spiel, but I just won’t continue to respond to them and tell them. But it isn’t only for the trolls that I do this. There are many other normal folks who read the same stuff so, hopefully, they get some info they didn’t previously know. Guess it is my small way of contributing to our cause.

            Enjoyed the debate tonight. Paul is still a loon, Romney did well but is still smarmy to me somehow, Michele didn’t come off well for some reason (still and too rehearsed maybe?), Cain is a doll, Newt is still brilliant but a RINO, and so on. Perry looked totally exhausted and I’m sure he was. He has been all over tv – him in planes doing fly-overs, in helicopters, on the ground in numerous place in the state talking to the folks. But he did well anyway. Now, the Rick Perry that I know and love was the one who looked those jacka$$ moderators in the eye and told them straight up how executions come about in Texas and why. I jumped up from the sofa clapping and yelling “YES.” And that was me here all alone! How’s that for nuts??

          • pttx333

            I just thought of who Perry reminds me of. Remember Gus in “Lonesome Dove?” That is Rick Perry. Everyone LOVED Gus, men and women alike. Even those feminists who irritate me to no end loved Gus. Is that contradictory or what? HA I still watch the reruns of it, and of “Broken Trail” and so on. They are wonderful stories and timeless.

          • rightwingmom52

            And Duvall is one of the few actors I still like. His portrayal of Gus (a real man) was spot on. BTW, Duvall is in a new “G” rated movie called “Seven Days in Utopia.” Haven’t seen it yet, but it sounds like my kind of movie.

            I did a little whoopin’ and hollerin’ myself a couple of times. Hubby said Perry should have reminded Williams that the barbarians that cheered him weren’t a Texas crowd since they were in CA. I thought he should have given a description in graphic detail of the crimes of an executed prisoner and then confirmed that he did indeed sleep well at night knowing he had done his job and protected the citizens. Bet it will be a long time before Williams visits that Texas.

            I’m glad you “rambled” a bit as you put it. I’ve done my share of that here from time to time as well. There are a handful here that I truly consider friends more than just fellow posters even though I’ve never laid eyes on them, and I’m happy to count you among them.

          • pttx333

            how sweet of you to say that, RWM. I’ve only been on RS 2-3 weeks after stumbling upon the link on another conservative site, but to be here feels just like throwing on a pair of comfy, fuzzy houseshoes. It is always nice to have new friends as well as the old ones. One can never have enough friends. I’m even still in touch with most of my ’58 high school graduating class. How’s that? Fifty-three years and counting, and we are still buds.

            Yeah, unfortunately, I write exactly like I talk – rambling will do. Haven’t figured out how to change it so haven’t bothered to even try. Wouldn’t be me anyway.

            Oh, I forgot about the CA angle with mostly CA citizens attending the debates. Wow, that is something – they really cheered! The clip of Perry telling them just how the cow ate the cabbage about Texas executions should be on some of his ads. THAT is Rick Perry. No apologies, no excuses, just “here it is.”

            I know that I mentioned it somewhere on here early on that I met Anita Perry about 4-5 years ago at a political rally in Lampasas on the courthouse square. Just a meet-and-greet thing with a reception line. When she came to me, we started talking about how polls are skewed. Security motioned to her that it was time for her to move along and she waved them away – said she wasn’t done talking to me yet. I couldn’t believe what a nice, beautiful, gracious LADY she was, and is. Wouldn’t that be something to have her in OUR White House instead of that cow Mitchell Antoinette? What a low-class, trashy, uncouth pair who reside there! I cringe whenever they are representing the US at some function. I know we are the laughingstock of the world because of those two classless, clueless Marxists. Is there enough bleach on the planet to disinfect the White House when they are gone? May have to burn it down and rebuild. But what a wonderful pair to represent us – Rick and Anita Perry. Music to the ears!

            Speaking of music, RWM, I’m going to forward you a video that will really tell you who I am and what my grandbabies had to put up with during their childhoods when they were forced to drive along with their Mimi (me). Enjoy, dare ya to keep your feet still.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XUAg1_A7IE

        • http://www.hsacoalition.org Dan Perrin

          such a great comment! Very cool.

  • gunslingr45

    like with McCain if the dems do crossover voting and the “elite GOP” have their way, we could end up with John errrr Mitt.

    God what a nightmare someone wake me!

    • pttx333

      I held my nose to vote for McCain, and we cannot go through that again. That is what I see in Romney – we might as well vote for b.o. if Mitt is our nominee. I see very little difference. Given Mitt’s wishy-washy core, with waffling thrown in for good measure, the dems would win anyway.

      Yep, this is a total nightmare – one that we MUST NOT repeat.

  • carolynr

    On the Drudge Report today, there was a story from humanevents.com concerning Obama’s cancellation of the union contract for firefighters to help Texas. I was very upset because people are dying and houses are being burnt to the ground. Here is what I posted on humanevents.com and here is what is going on EVERY SINGLE MAJOR NEWSPAPER THAT I BLOG ON:

    OK…before I go to Rueters, etc. to put this on. I called the Governor of Georgia suggesting that perhaps his state could help….”I will pass the information on”. I called the Governor of Alabama and they took your website to verify the information. I called the Governor of Mississippi and got a recording. I called the Governor of Louisiana…I got a recording. I called the Governor of Oklahoma and they said they had wildfires and theirs were under control and I should call Rick Perry’s office. My suggestion to all of them: Why don’t you help Texas. No commitment. When lives are being lost and Obama is now at the top of his game with political brinksmanship ..our governors would rather “take a messasge” than help a neighboring state.

    This administration should be impeached. I guess we should take Hoffa at his word…”we’re going to make these sons of bitches pay”. I guess he meant it.

    • pttx333

      was very upset that there was no help coming from Fort Hood in Killeen. They have really great firefighting capabilities that would certainly be a huge help with the fires. I don’t know the protocol of such, but I would think that b.o. could push the right buttons to get the ball rolling. But noooo, he will NEVER help Texas. He is true evil – personified.

      • gracie

        I have been wondering why we are not getting help from Ft Hood when a majority of our Guard has been fighting overseas! I live south of Brenham; we are in the most danger from he Montgomery/Magnolia fire but are getting the smoke all the way from the huge Bastrop fire by Austin!

        We don’t know whether to pack up or not but I CANNOT FOR THE LIFE of me understand why a POTUS would not help us with planes from the military!! And Bush got blamed for Katrina? (he offered help) In this situation it could make all the difference.

        • pttx333

          I would think the authorities would give you warning if you were in immediate danger. Just keep a good watchful eye and stay safe. My prayers are with you and yours.

          As for b.o. – what can I say about that evil man? He cares about no one or anything, just about himself. He is punishing Texas just because we are a red state and you don’t dare go against him because he is the KING, doncha know. Perry has asked for help with the fires for months now, and b.o. will not even respond. Isn’t he classy?

          As for Bush, there is no way he had anything to do with the Katrina fiasco. A president cannot just go into a state and take over – you must wait for the governor of that state to request it. When Bush did ask if LA needed help, Gov. Blanco (BlanKo, in my book) said they were fine. Well, she and Ray Nagin, Mayor of NO, really screwed up the entire thing. They LIE all the time, the dems do.

          I live in the Houston area and we have smelled the smoke down here from all of the fires. I’m sure it is even more intense with you up around Brenham. My daughter and her family live in Lampasas 25 mi. west of Killeen and so far they are okay there. Boy, the whole state is ready to go up like a tinder box. Have been wishing for a hurricane or some sort of tropical system to come in, but with that dome of high pressure camped over us, it is unlikely we will get anything. Prayers are need BIG TIME!

          Stay safe, Gracie!

          • gracie

            Went in to Houston today and it was fine going in on I10 but coming home there was so much smoke around Brookshire it was creepy!!

            And to make matters worse, just checking the tropical updates (do you ever go to Wunderground? the tropicals are right at the top) So in the comments re: the new in the Gulf , said not supposed to come to TX but the winds would probably blow over us again!! Yikes! that’s how this started!

            pptx333, I can tell you are a big fan of “Rick;” I am too. Met him at last year’s RedState Gathering; he was available for several hours. Now that you have discovered RS you will have to go to the Gatherings. We only missed SC due to illness. YOU would love them! It’s such a blast to meet/hear someone like Mike Lee whom Erick basically discovered and got to run for Senate and then hide and watch how damn good he is!! (OH yeah no cursing) He is #2 behind DeMint in conservative rating and stands tall with him and Rand Paul.

            Anyway I know Gov Perry must be doing all he can but O,”the Last Responder!” would just love to finish off Texas. Closing our refineries through the EPA, stopping coal for our elec, no drilling, refusing disaster relief!. He would just fiddle and dance while we are burning. I know he could help us if he wanted to. Makes me ILL that he has so much power over us!

            BTW, have you discovered the Kingstreet Patriots in Houston? Dynamite group!! I pray for safety for your family too!

          • pttx333

            What was your first clue? ;-) He is a good guy – have voted for him every time he has run in this state. Nothing would make me prouder than to have him and his beautiful wife Anita in the White House. And they would make us proud once again to have someone in the White House with class, taste, and dignity. What a concept! I met Anita a few years ago when I was in Lampasas – she was doing a meet-and-greet on the courthouse square there. Got to meet her and visit with her for a while. She is such a nice lady, really enjoyed our visit.

            Wunderground is a new site on me, but you can bet I will be going there now. Yeah, there is a new tropical storm down in the Bay of Campeche but it will probably be going into Mexico below Brownsville. Of course, it could very easily bring us the winds again, and that is not a good thing. We need RAIN!

            I’m new on RS – just saw a link to it 2-3 weeks ago and came over to see what it was. Well, do I love it here. I have learned so much in such a very short time – love talking to the friendly folks here who are so nice and helpful. As for the gatherings, I really wasn’t aware of them until a couple of days ago when I read something about them. Sounds like a BUNCH of fun. I love people and having a good time.

            Oh, yes, b.o. is just so wonderful, isn’t he? So thoughtful and ready to help at any time. Suuuure he is, uh huh, right. He doesn’t have the power to do all that he has done Constitutionally, he just ignores it and does whatever the he!! he feels like doing. (See, I didn’t curse either! But I don’t consider damn and he!! to be curse words. Good excuse, huh.)

            Since I’ve only been back in the Houston area for a few months, I’m still getting my sea legs and don’t know who the Kingstreet Patriots are. I’m retired from a very large law firm in downtown Houston, but am hunting for a job now. Retirement is not for me because I’m too nosy and love the challenges of working. Miss the people most of all. Be careful what you wish for, sometimes it doesn’t work out too well. I live alone, but my son and his family live in Dickinson, so I see them often.

            Stay safe and we’ll get through all of this with help from God. He does listen.

          • gracie

            They are so active they have gone national such as with a “True the Vote” initiative wherein they are poll watching and doing EVERYTHING posible to make the vote true. They have great speakers; in fact had a huge rally the day Glenn Beck was in Israel where they showed the tape of his event along with local speakers supporting Israel, one of my passions.

            Go to work if you want but there are many options for you to put your considerable energy to work in the next 18 months to beat the Bamster. You just have to get hooked in to a good place to participate!

            Wish there was a PerMessage feature here. I have wanted to answer you before but cannot keep up with you! My husband, recovering from back surgery, is keeping me hopping so cannot be on here like I would like.

            There are so many exciting discussions going on here at RS; I have not had time to read your article here but must bookmark it. One thing we can always do is to send articles to folks who are still uninformed and change hearts and minds, even one at a time!

          • gracie

            Wunderground (yes! Weather Underground!) sounds like a site created by one of o’s sixties radical friends however Rush goes there so that is good enough for me.

            I have not met Anita Perry yet but love what I read and see of her class and support of her husband! She is lovely and (tacky coming) I particularly like her arms. She is normal! :)

          • pttx333

            I will look into all of the sites you mentioned, but can’t today. My son is having a cook-out and there is no way that I’m going to miss that! He’s a good cook, and when we all get together it is a 3-ring circus. We have such a good time cutting up and laughing a lot.

            Really? You’ve wanted to answer me before? I’m flattered by that, Gracie. Is there anything specific that you wanted to reply to me about? There was a really good article from American Thinker called “The Cult of Obama” that I posted yesterday – really had a good thread going about it. If that is the article you were referring to, go to my profile and look up the thread on that – you will probably find it to be interesting.

            I’m sorry about your husband being down after back surgery. That has to be painful for him and difficult for you. Count your blessings that it will be a temporary thing that he will be back up and at ‘em before long. I took care of my late husband before he died in ’99 – was on family leave from work for 4-1/2 months. It was horrible for me emotionally and physically, but I would do it again. Hospice came the last month 3-4 times a week and then 24/7 for the last few days. I will miss him through eternity, but time marches on and you just deal with the hand you are dealt.

            I am on the ‘net a lot “talking” with folks and getting out the info on political matters. I’ve always been a political junkie, because it is fascinating to me. If you go read the thread from “The Cult of Obama” from yesterday, you will have a better understanding as to who I am.

            Take care of your hubby and yourself and watch out for the fires. Glad to hear from you at any time.

  • http://www.hsacoalition.org Dan Perrin

    if he said something it sure would light up the net, er, so to speak