Ben Franklin was right


From the diaries, a Congressional counterpoint to the usual position at RedState

Memorial Day is the time that we set aside to remember with gratitude those heroes who gave their lives to protect our freedom.  But no one should ever forget that it was our freedom they were protecting . . . and we can lose that precious gift to enemies of freedom, whether they be foreign or domestic.

As a patriot I voted against the “Patriot Act” and my fellow patriots deserve to know why.  In the aftermath of 9-11 I voted for the original Patriot Act, recognizing the crisis that comes with 3,000 of our fellow citizens being slaughtered.

Yet even then, “permanently” expanding government power to counter this global Islamic terrorist threat was not part of the solution.   Thanks to the diligence and leadership of Dick Armey and a few others, sunset provisions were put in place to see to it that the power unleashed to defeat Islamic terrorists would have to be reaffirmed by a vote of Congress, or those “emergency” powers would disappear.

President George W. Bush, however, had a different agenda.  When reauthorization came around five years ago, we were basically asked to reauthorize the original legislation, except this time all the sunsets were to be left out. That’s the kind of freedom lover GW was and is.

We are in the middle of a war and he uses the opportunity to permanently expand federal law enforcement’s power over the population as a whole. Well, I opposed that power grab and to this day can’t understand how so many of my conservative friends, who really are freedom lovers, went along with it.

As everything turned out, several sunset provisions stayed in the bill, others turned into a permanent expansion of federal power.

I was hoping all this would be corrected when we again reauthorized the Patriot Act.  It wasn’t.  Even worse, after promising in the last election open rules for amendments to be offered, total transparency and the right to a full and open debate on all significant issues, the Patriot Act – which is significant — was being shoved through with no hearings, no amendments allowed, and little debate.  For those reasons alone it should have been voted down. Instead it was given a brief extension based on a commitment that when it came up again amendments would be permitted and the process would be much more open. Well, It came up again, and again no amendments, no open discussion and the minimum of debate time. Substance wise, there was still at least one provision in the bill allowing federal agents total access to a targeted American citizen’s records and accounts, without so much as a judicial search warrant. Hey, even if there is a miniscule amount of “probable cause,” search warrants can be easily arranged. Obviously, somebody wants unbridled power and that is not in keeping with America’s traditions. I voted NO again.

Make no mistake we are at war with Radical Islam. It is a security crisis of sort, thus this is exactly NOT the time to be permanently altering the power of government over our lives.  Unfortunately, those pushing the Patriot Act cannot get this simple truth into their mind. In the meantime, freshman Patriots like Lt. Col. Allen West and a few of us old timers, like Jimmy Duncan (R-Tenn) are holding the line against those, foreign and domestic, who would destroy our freedom.

Too many Americans have died protecting our freedom for us to give it away to our own law enforcement bureaucracy.  No matter how well motivated, sooner or later such an expansion of government power will come back to haunt us.  As Ben Franklin warned: “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”


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Bravo Congressman!

sundaycombo Friday, June 3rd at 8:56AM EDT (link)

Here is the perfect nexus of big expanded government combined with attacks on our personal liberty. These are key issues (if not THE key issues) of the conservative movement.

Yet as the Congressman states, the re-authorization of this law (a knee-jerk reaction to the 9-11 attacks) has hardly generated any debate. Two Senators on the Intelligence Committee have said Americans would be “stunned” if they knew how broadly the government interprets the law. And therein lies the rub-the folks who know of the abuse can’t disclose it because it’s all classified.

I hope that over the course of our primary season that the candidates articulate their views on this subject.

 

Thank you! nt

Jim Tomasik (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 9:01AM EDT (link)

 

Franklin in context

streiff (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 10:55AM EDT (link)

I’d like to put the Franklin quote in context and while I think it is really appropriate it isn’t in the way that the Congressman would wish.

First, using the same investigative tools to go after terrorists that we’ve historically used in dealing with drug cartels and mafia chieftains isn’t inappropriate. So I disagree with his position.

On to Franklin.

The quote was made on November 11, 1755 when Franklin was a member of the Pennsylvania legislature. Braddock had been defeated in July of that year and the western frontier of Pennsylvania was under sustained attack by French and Indian forces. In fact parts of Western Pennsylvania and all of Virginia west of the Shenandoah Valley were totally depopulated by the raids.

The western settlers petitioned the Pennsylvania legislature to organize a militia system. The legislature was 1) dominated by Quakers and 2) was hostile to the administration of the Penn family’s proprietorship. They refused to consider a militia law unless the Penns submitted their personal lands to taxation.

This quote is how Franklin addressed the demand of the western settlers for protection.

The upshot of this was a march by the western settlers on Philadelphia and the authorization of a militia.

So, in a way, the congressman is wrong — there is no “essential liberty” at stake here and neither are we seeking any “temporary security” — but he is in harmony with Franklin’s message to the backcountry families is that he didn’t really care if they were killed or bound away into captivity as long as some fanciful principal was upheld.

“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

Clearly, the PATRIOT Act

aesthete (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 12:37PM EDT (link)

cannot be both a mere continuation of existing policies *and* a radical reorganization of law enforcement without which we wouldn’t have been as safe as we are. Some of the PATRIOT Act’s provisions have been useful and in keeping with traditional freedom/security tradeoffs, but in large part the Act was wishlist fulfillment of Clinton-era DoJ and CIA intended for drug traffickers, money launderers, white-collar criminals and other domestic criminals. This wishlist never materialized as law during the Clinton administration in large part due to the efforts of Republicans who cited many of the 4th Am and privacy concerns that continue to drive (principled) opposition to the PATRIOT Act. How the worm turns…

I do appreciate the context of the Franklin quote, though: I hadn’t heard the origin of the quote before.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

Sorry, Congressmen seem to have trouble directing their Internet communications and the last one was intended for the previous commenter :)

Dana Rohrabacher (Diary) Monday, June 6th at 8:41PM EDT (link)

I hadn’t heard the origin of the Franklin quote either. The circumstances surrounding the quote are less important than the actual sentiment that is being expressed. There are lots of quotes about vigilance, but importantly, it’s understood that we must be vigilant in providing our people and country with security, but without diminishing their freedom.

 
 

Fighting the war on terror and upholding the Constitution are not contradictory goals

Dana Rohrabacher (Diary) Monday, June 6th at 8:29PM EDT (link)

Thank you for your thoughtful response. Our battles in the drug war, whether with gangsters or cartels, have not been successful. But I would hesitate to suggest that the necessity of obtaining legal search warrants and court orders are the reason for our failure. I don’t believe that foreigners, especially foreign terrorists, have constitutional rights. So unleashing the entire power of the U.S. against such enemies has my support, including enhanced interrogation. But when it comes to U.S. citizens, I will not agree to policies that compromise their rights. Fighting the war on terror and upholding the Constitution are not contradictory goals.

 

Fighting the war on terror and upholding the Constitution are not contradictory goals

Dana Rohrabacher (Diary) Monday, June 6th at 8:32PM EDT (link)

Thank you for your thoughtful response. Our battles in the drug war, whether with gangsters or cartels, have not been successful. But I would hesitate to suggest that the necessity of obtaining legal search warrants and court orders are the reason for our failure. I don’t believe that foreigners, especially foreign terrorists, have constitutional rights. So unleashing the entire power of the U.S. against such enemies has my support, including enhanced interrogation. But when it comes to U.S. citizens, I will not agree to policies that compromise their rights. Fighting the war on terror and upholding the Constitution are not contradictory goals.

Agreed nt

aesthete (Diary) Monday, June 6th at 9:29PM EDT (link)

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 
 
 

Well said, sir.

runner12 (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 12:09PM EDT (link)

We have seen that good men who love liberty and revere the Constitution will not always occupy the White House. The current resident is one such man.The problem with GW Bush is that he forgot this truism.

Thus we are stuck with a piece of legislation that may come back to harm us in the end. I only hope that our next President will continue to fight the war on terror, keeping in mind the we cannot run roughshod over the Constitution while doing so.

Thanks for the insightful comments

Dana Rohrabacher (Diary) Monday, June 6th at 8:07PM EDT (link)

I appreciated your insightful comments. The good guys and bad guys are in both parties on this issue. Fighting the war on terror and upholding the Constitution are not contradictory goals.

 
 

Death of the U.S. Constitution....

Ned Reck (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 4:54PM EDT (link)

By a thousand cuts.

One sad day… when our rights as citizens are finally depleted… we will ask as subjects…

How did this happen?

Ned Reck

On the plains of “Hesitation”… lie the blackened bones of
countless millions… who… at the dawn of victory…
sat down to rest… and while resting….. DIED.
~ Anonymous