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The Fuzzy Math from Gang of Six

A plan that is all things to all people, but vapid of details and coherence

As a rule of thumb, any idea coming from a gang is not a good one.  This holds true in the real world; it is certainly true in the gangster world of the U.S. Senate.  Members of the media are agog with glee over the supposed Gang of Six deal to cut the deficit by $3.7 trillion over 10 years.  There is much hype over the fact that more than half the Senate attended the unveiling of the proposal, with many Republicans – including those in leadership – offering robust praise for it.  Congressman Frank Wolf (R-VA) is calling for a vote on the plan, even though most of the details don’t exist.

The festive atmosphere at the press conference prompted bearded Marxist Senator Chris Coons to observe that “if Sen. Durbin and Dr. Coburn can both endorse it, this may be just the tough discipline fiscally and the balanced path forward that we need.”  So the questions begs, just how can such an ‘austere budget plan’ garner the support of liberal luminaries like Coons and Durbin?

The answer is very simple: the budget plan is devoid of a roadmap to achieve the alleged $2.7 trillion in cuts and $1 trillion in revenue gains.  Furthermore, the proposal relies upon the passage of some conservative reforms, which if seriously drafted, will never be supported by a majority of the Democrat Caucus, including Gang members like Dick Durbin.

The Tax Side of the Equation

The Gang’s proposal purports to offer “a net tax relief of approximately $1.5 trillion.”  Yet, the purveyors of the plan claim that it would concurrently raise revenues by $1 trillion, accounting for over 25% of the overall magical $3.7 in deficit reduction.  Specifically, on the tax cutting side of the ledger, they would permanently repeal the $1.7 trillion Alternative Minimum Tax, slash the corporate tax to a flat rate between 23%-29%, and establish three personal income tax brackets with rates of 8–12 percent, 14–22 percent, and 23–29 percent.  Keep in mind that they can’t count the full price tag of the AMT repeal to the $1.5 trillion in cuts because Congress passes an AMT fix every year.

On the ‘increasing revenue side’ of the ledger, they would “reform, not eliminate, tax expenditures for health, charitable giving, homeownership, and retirement, and retain support for low-income workers and families.”  Yet, astoundingly, for all the talk about closing loopholes, their proposal would retain…you guessed it, the Earned Income Credit and Child Tax Credit.  So after subjecting retirees to double taxation of 401(k)s and IRAs, they will retain the redistributive Earned Income Credit for many who pay little or no taxes.  How’s that for a clean, flat tax system!  Moreover, the Earned Income and Child tax credits cost the treasury $77 billion in annual revenue.

The plan to slash corporate, individual, and AMT is a step in the right direction, although conservatives would push for a lower corporate rate and a flatter individual rate.  However, the real question is how can they accrue $1 trillion in revenue from “reform” of a few deductions and credits (while simultaneously keeping the low income credits), even as they drastically lower the marginal rates – the main source of revenue?  You really mean to tell me that Chris Coons and Dick Durbin finally understand the Laffer Curve and the economic effect of cutting marginal tax rates?  It’s nice to see a few Democrats signing onto a more flat tax system, but does anyone really believe they will actually support such a plan without the final product being drastically more progressive?

The Spending Side of the Equation

The Gangsters are asserting that the lion’s share of the deficit reduction will come from $2.7 trillion in spending cuts.  Even more shocking, they claim that $500 billion of those cuts will be front loaded through the enforcement of discretionary spending caps through 2015.  Those spending caps are not specified!

So how are these spending reductions actualized?

Healthcare

They never tally the numbers, but the biggest savings seems to come from healthcare.  The healthcare scheme of the Gang represents a better magic trick than David Copperfield could ever execute.  They somehow permanently solve the statutory requirement to pay doctors for extra Medicare costs, known as Doc Fix, while funding $298 billion in spending offsets for the fix.  Additionally, they will drastically cut healthcare costs without a single change to Medicare and Medicaid, simply by magically finding ways to “spend health care dollars more efficiently.”

The final part of their healthcare plan is to instruct the Judiciary Committee to draft malpractice reform legislation.  Yes, tort reform is actually something that would sharply lower healthcare costs and will be cheered by conservatives.  But does anyone believe that Democrats will ever pass any meaningful tort reform as long as they are being bankrolled by trial lawyers.

Finally, with the exception of repeal of the Class Act, this bill leaves Obamacare, the mother of all profligate entitlements, intact.  And that will reduce the deficit?

The bottom line is that, any and every other provision of the plan notwithstanding, no Republican should sign onto a budget that permanently enshrines Obamacare into our entitlement system.

Social Security

The Gang made their budget plan indissolubly tied to Social Security reform.  In other words, the rest of the bill cannot pass unless there is a Social Security reform plan that garners 60 votes.  Conversely, Social Security reform cannot be discussed until 60 Senators agree on the rest of the budget plan.  The idea of sending SS reform to a separate, yet dependent track, is a good idea.

So what is the grand idea for Social Security that will save trillions?

They instruct the Finance Committee to draft reform that ensures “75-year solvency of the program.”  The only specific idea is to peg the rate of growth for benefits to the “Chained CPI,” a more gradual measure of inflation.  Quite humorously, yet predictably, they exempt SSI from the rate change for the first five years.

Discretionary Spending

The plan calls for the following cuts in discretionary spending, divided by authorizing committees:

• Armed Services would find $80 billion.
• Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions would find $70 billion.
• Homeland Security and Government Affairs would find $65 billion.
• Agriculture would find $11 billion while protecting the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance
Program.
• Commerce would find $11 billion.
• Energy would find $6 billion and may propose additional policies to generate savings
that would be applied to the infrastructure deficit or to reduce the deficit.

Aside for cuts in defense spending, does any Republican really believe that Democrats will support the elimination of one agency, much less a full department, to achieve significant savings in discretionary spending?  Also, what baseline are they using to refer to these budget reforms as cuts?  Will they actually reduce the deficit, or will they merely slow the rate of growth compared to some unrealistic baseline?

While the details of the bill will invariably change over the next few weeks, and there are some good things in this plan, it is appalling that so many Republicans have been quick to praise, and even fully endorse, this patchwork of smoke and mirrors.  Kudos to Speaker Boehner for coming out against it early.

It looks like these guys never had all the details worked out before they announced their plan.  Their sole objective was to eclipse the media attention surrounding the only coherent plan that actually balances the budget – the conservative plan.

Cut, Cap, and Balance – or bust.

COMMENTS

  • msctex

    Does a group comprised of three even ostensible Republicans really want that particular historical reference attached to their efforts? Hell, would even the remaining Democrats want such a direct link to Mao?

    Or do they just not know?

    • Wayne

      It is absolutely beyond reason and logic that such a deception would be perpetrated on the American people. Do they really believe that we are that stupid?

      Obviously they do. Let’s prove them wrong.

      • mars_ultor

        Wayne, unfortunately they do think we’re stupid, at least as a collective. After all, we as a country keep voting these idiots in year after year. And it appears that they will succeed. I am already seeing press pieces that this is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and that Obama is supposedly on board…. Well, if he’s for it, all the more reason to shoot it down.

    • Repair_Man_Jack

      Yankees are so inefficient. Mao only needed four when he formed his gang! The dumb Americans, they featherbed and load up with six.

      • acat

        I said (nt), why are you reading this?

        Mew

    • cwfoster

      Haven’t these so called Republicans gotten their fill of the “we have to pass the bill to see what’s in it”? Not AGAIN! NEVER again! Time to resume cleaning House (well we can still clean the House a bit, but time to concentrate on the SENATE! Time for SCORCHED EARTH!

  • Paul Seale

    will keep reading on the subject to see what details are fleshed out – but this is the document ive been wanting to read all day.

    also, I would add that I believe there may be credibility to the notion this was rolled out to try and pre-empt the cut-cap-balance vote.

    when it passes the House of Representatives and people find out, I hope it will put the pressure on the Senate. Maybe.

  • charlesmartel

    Any conservative who would even consider supporting this plan should just give up the ghost and switch their party registration right now.

    Any person who believes that any of these “cuts” will EVER happen should check themselves into a psych ward.

    Lies, all lies. We need to aggressively primary any GOP who back this. Nothing will ever change until we clean our own house first.

    • jaykali

      We may all be in denial if we think any real cut is going to happen with this president and senate in democratic hands. So maybe it’s on us. I mean let’s pretend the president was a republican and the senate was in republican hands. Do you think a democratic house would be able to push a big tax increase? We’d all laugh at that notion but we tend to get our hopes up with that thing like the debt limit can force the presidents hand. In the end republicans have just as much to lose so it means we get more crappy ‘deals’ in the end.

      The thing that got our hopes up was the tax cut extension right after the 2010 elections. It really felt like we had the president by the balls but that ‘mandate’ has since worn off and I don’t think the president feels the same pressure he did in December.

      • edintexas

        Or rather the House Republicans did have Dear Leader by the cojones – and promptly threw the advantage into the dumper.

    • gunslingr45

      So many RINO’S, so little time!
      I just called both my reps and told them this was the best way to not be re elected. Of course I didn’t tell Mao Lugar I have never and will never vote for him. I hope the people of Indiana will not put this RINO putz back in.

      So many RINO’S, so little time!

  • Scope

    that this proposed “plan” is nothing more than a frame work for some sort of future legislation. It is very unlikely that the plan has any support in the Congress, because it does not specify any details to the cuts. It is a last ditch effort that will be as relegated to the back burner, as the Simpson Bowles plan was.

    No question that when you have gangs of both Democrats and Republicans, it will always more than lean much too the Democrats positions. They don’t cross the aisle, but some turncoat Republicans such as Coburn will sit in the Democrats lap.

    When is Coburn up for re-election? This guy may have the book smarts to become a doctor, but, it doesn’t mean he is gifted with common sense.

    • charlesmartel

      “This guy may have the book smarts to become a doctor, but, it doesn?t mean he is gifted with common sense.”

      He’s got plenty of common sense. It’s ethics he’s lacking.

      • Scope

        Aren’t they closely aligned? The fact that Coburn would support the Obamacare death panels supports your assertion that he has no ethics. Whatever happened to the hippocratic oath where doctors vowed to do no harm? I guess it has morphed into do what the government tells you to do, and beyond that I am not responsible.

        • charlesmartel

          …he has enough common sense to do what will help him get reelected and make himself wealthy. But no ethics to do the right thing for the country.

    • bk

      “It is very unlikely that the plan has any support in the Congress, because it does not specify any details to the cuts.”

      Hey it worked with Bush 41, so might as well take a shot with Boehner 61.

    • cordpt

      Unfortunately, he won’t run again.

      Coburn as long understood that any serious deficit reduction plan will need bipartisanship support. Otherwise it won’t happen – a terrifying scenario for any patriot. I have no idea what are your suggestions to get democratic support without negotiating and sitting with them (“being a turncoat” in your colourful lexicon), but I’m frankly curious to hear about them.

      Anyway, Coburn has released his own deficit reduction plan yesterday that would reduce deficit by $9 trillion over ten years and balance the federal budget:

      http://coburn.senate.gov/public//index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=c6590d01-017a-47b0-a15c-1336220ea7bf

      Maybe you can read it and explain your disagreements with it. I’m sure you’ll produce the most insightful critique.

      • runner12

        plan to cut 9 trillion, it is discussing the Gang of Six plan. Their plan would only “cut” 3.7 trillion and that would be over ten years. Reuters came out today and reported that Moody’s indicated that neither the McConnell plan nor the Gang of Six plan would prevent a downgrade in our ratings. Perhaps you ought to re-read the diary.

        As for bipartisanship, that ship sailed when the Democrats lied, cheated, and stole their way to forcing ObamaCare down our throats. I would also like to point out that compromising with Democrats has never resulted in anything good for the country nor for Conservatives. We always end up falling for Democrat tricks and looking like fools. History shows this to be true and history does not lie.

        I would also point out that you look rather silly using a condescending tone towards Scope when you are referring to a different plan than what is being discussed on this thread with regards to Coburn. The fallacy in Scope’s statement was that Coburn supported ObamaCare death panels, yet instead of pointing that out you took yet another opportunity to push for a weasel-like compromise.

        I am beginning to think you work in a Congressional office or something the way you continue to defend the Washington elite.

        • cordpt

          once you clear the ad hominem remarks out of it. I never engage in conversations with persons that use them. Sorry, nothing personal about it, I mean no offense.

          • runner12

            May I also point out that one should not dish out ad hominem attacks if one dislikes them themselves. Sarcasm and condescension may be more subtle form of attack, but it is nonetheless an attack. People will engage you on the basis of which you engage them. My advice is kindly meant, I hope no offense is taken.

          • cordpt

            Not with ad hominem attacks. This is my last reply to you until you apologize or re-write your post.

          • runner12

            me to apologize for. I did not call you names or anything. I pointed out that the diary was talking about a different plan, admittedly rather sarcastically. I voiced my suspicions that you worked in Washington in jest, perhaps I should have added a (sarc) at the end to clarify.

            Your choice on whether to reply or not.

      • aesthete

        By far, one of the best out there, as far as I’ve been able to ascertain. However, that is neither here nor there: while I disagree with those characterizing him as a RINO, his support of the “gang” is perplexing. It is possible that it is more political theatrics than anything substantial, but it should still be said that it is a bad deal. Again, I’m more than willing to hear Coburn out on this one, but I also see nothing wrong with conservatives registering complaints when Republicans endorse a plan that on its face is problematic.

        • http://redmeatconservative.blogspot.com/ Daniel Horowitz

          aesthete. Coburn’s personal plan is great and more coherent. It is perplexing why he would throw in with guys like Durbin. It seems that he so badly desires some sort of reduction plan (for good intentions, unlike his co-negotiators) that he is willing to play ball with these people. He certainly is not a RINO.

          • carolina

            THEN he brought out the G6 plan that some dems had agreed to. BO is desparate for a save-face out.
            Coburn is obviously trying to break the stalemate.
            He isn’t running for reelection. He’s willing to be the sacrificial lamb “for the good of the country” it seems.

          • littlehouse18

            He pointed out that Coburn is very chummy with Obama. Maybe he is trying to help his friend save face.

          • carolina

            .

          • gunslingr45

            this mean he will replace Mao Lugar as Obumber’s favorite R?

          • Scope

            Please re-read my original comment. I never used the word RINO. I said that Coburn was a turncoat, that will sit in the Democrats laps, and with his re-joining the Gang of 6, and getting behind what has been now widely seen to be a plan that favors the Democrats, I don’t think my original comment was far off the mark. When you say yourself that it is perplexing why he would play ball with guys like Durbin, doesn’t that mean he is sitting in the Democrats laps?

        • cordpt

          I don’t see what is perplexing about that, it’s what legislators are supposed to do – as you pointed out, correctly, in regards to Ron Paul.

          As Coburn pointed out, the G6 plan isn’t the solution, but it’s a start. He left the G6 when they were going nowhere; he came back once they started showing signs of promise. And if the G6 plan is unacceptable to republicans, then there’s no point whatsoever in keeping this charade about spending cuts because nothing will get done in the near future – I do join Horowitz in his scepticism about the Democrat caucus accepting some key provisions in the plan.

          • edintexas

            Given that there is only an outline, in which at least one Senator finds himself unable to come up with even half of the claimed “savings”, how can we know what the “key provisions” might be?

            Apparently one “key provision” can be determined. According to Senator Sessions, much of the “savings” will apparently be standard Democrat claims of “cuts” (i.e. a reduction in the amount of annual increase to the baseline in each budget). Worse yet, the baseline will be current spending, which is increased about 25% over the budgeted amount of 2 years ago.

          • cordpt

            -

      • gunslingr45

        your a RINO just like him?

        So many RINOS, so little time!

    • jaykali

      As a framework, the problem is we can never make it from ‘good idea in the abstract’ to actual legislation people can agree on. But we need to stop pretending we’re going to get anywhere without a Republican president and senate. The climate we’re in means to get what you want you need just ab a supermajority and even that only gets you to 90% (ask Dems ab cap and trade and the public option).

      • rbdwiggins

        You can’t bind any future Congress… Except by constitutional amendment.

        That’s why CCB is the only game in town. It binds the current Congress with defined cuts and spending caps, and upon ratification, constitutionally binds Congress to its fiscal mandates.

        And… If they’re truly serious about restoring fiscal sanity to Washington, they’ll repeal the Seventeenth Amendment while they’re at it.

        • jaykali

          We’re not going to know if anything serious is possible unless we get a republican senate and white house and i feel like we’re losing momentum on both fronts.

        • Scope

          all along. You cannot bind any future Congress. When any bill is passed that takes 10 years to accomplish it’s goals, chances are great that before those 10 years are up, and maybe even a lot less, any future congress can pass bills that make the current one obsolete. If the Republicans can manage to gain control of both houses, and the WH, I would hope that this bill, cutting only 3.7 trillion would be replaced with a bill or bills that defund and wipe out entire departments such as the DOE, the EPA and the DHS for starters. At the very least shrink the departments, and the number of federal employees.

          • jaykali

            Politicians respond to elections and polls. Until the public is serious ab accepting that entitlements will need to get cut we’re screwed. The problem is that polls reinforce politicians behavior bc people contradiction themselves.

            People want to cut spending but not touch entitlements and they don’t mind higher taxes on people that are not them. They believe in abstract principles but not specifics. So politicians are encouraged to preach abstract themes (see Obama’s entire political career) and not seriously engage in any specifics but specifics = vulnerability to attacks. The press is guilty of never holding democrats accountable for this method of governing. And so until we can move the needle in public opinion politicians are going to do what works which leads us to crappy governing.

          • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

            Winston Churchill, nearly single handedly saved western civilization and was rewarded by being booted out of office. But he still did the right thing.

            You have to do what is right and cast your fate upon the seas. People will gravitate to those who tell them what they want to hear, but if they are so stupid as to reelect Obama and his team after all that has happened then they deserve what they get. (and I will look at emigration to New Zealand or someplace.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            agree

          • Scope

            n/t

          • acat

            This is exactly right, Kyle.

            This is why I call the D.C. wing of the GOP “gutless”…

            Mew

          • Scope

            that politicians respond to polls. If that was the case, Obamacare would have never passed. If politicians paid attention to polls, or even major voter tantrums, then McConnell would not be stuck on his give Obama the checkbook plan. I think politicians are numb to polls, and don’t really care.

          • jaykali

            That is like the holy grail for liberals. In the long run its a big step in the entitlement state and they figured they could move public opinion with Obama’s great oratory.

            That would be like if Republicans had supermajorities to privatize security, they might do it and take the short term political hit.

            Otherwise they are slaves to polls and focus groups. What’s more focus group/poll tested than “grand bargain” – Wonder why we hear that 50 times a day?

    • Kyle-MI

      He has a good conservative voting record in the House and the Senate. He has been reliable to conservative principles in the past. He has been mostly fiscally responsible in the past.

      I am stumped as to why he would support such a smoke and mirrors proposal that is far from fiscally responsible.

      • runner12

        He is my Senator and up to this point he has been a stalwart fiscal conservative. I cheered when he walked away from the Gang of Six talks earlier.

        I am feeling quite betrayed right now. I hope that he comes out tommorow and says that upon further reflection he has decided the the Gang of Six plan stinks.

        • carolina

          Boehner & BO (with Coburn’s help) just herded all of the cats into the correct corrall.
          Gotta give them credit.

        • carolina

          Boehner & BO (with Coburn’s help) just herded all of the cats into the correct corrall.
          Gotta give them credit.

    • rick57

      I don’t think it matters really because if I remember right last year he said he would not seek reelection.

  • runner12

    I read this so-called “plan” and even though I am no expert in finance and economics, I could clearly see that the math did not add up. After that, I promptly contacted Coburn ( my Senator ) and explained to him in rather stark terms that he was selling out Conservatives and his country’s future fiscal stability.

    He is not running for re-election, so I could not tell him he would be fired. But I did remind him that he has a choice regarding his legacy. Was he willing to risk his previous reputation as a fiscal hawk in one moment of absolute stupidity and gimmicks? His choice.

    He needs to remember who his constituents are. Like our southern neighbors,
    we do not like being “messed with” and we don’t forget those who deceive us.

    • Scope

      Whatever did he say to back his position? It is obvious that the retiring R Senators are willing to go to the extreme to screw the American population, one last time.

      • runner12

        I did not want a staffer to put me off. No worries, I am certain both his phone is ringing off the hook and his inbox is full. Will check into local reports to see what his excuses are.

      • rick57

        At this point he probably doesn’t care. Most likely he’s already been promised a cushy lobbying job with a corner windowed office somewhere in downtown D.C, just to be the first republican to put his name on it.

  • bk

    I know people in DC rarely let the Constitution get in the way of doing their Constitutional duties, but Article I Section 7 is still there, right?

    I know when the Dems controlled both houses they would create a token revenue bill in the House and let the Senate substitute some monstrosity in its place (e.g. a House bill on veteran housing or something similar becoming Obamacare in the Senate), but I certainly hope Boehner won’t operate that way.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    Lets see; tax increases that will materialize and further affect economic growth, spending cuts that will never materialize and are planned over a 10 year period. No effect on the baseline budget and accounting tricks to show the contribution towards reducing the deficit.

    This is nothing but a bunch of tax increases cloaked in accounting wizard to make the public think it actually reduces spending. It does not. Nobody’s fooled McConnell and Boehner.

    By the way, nobody buys the kabuki dance between the Republican House and Senate. The real proposal pushed by the House was to give Boehner cover. McConnell pushed this deal and his proposal as the real objective.

    If the GOP supports anyone voting for this deal, they can have my party membership. I’m done.

  • usadying

    From Yahoo Finance: “The Gang of Six envisioned a two-stage process in which $500 billion in savings would be enacted swiftly, with the more complicated changes in programs like Medicare and Medicaid to follow.” Step 2 will never happen, but the tax increase will be effective immediately. What the hell is wrong with Coburn?

  • Tbone

    I don’t believe a word of this nonsense.

    I am pretty sure that if George Washington came back, he would have most of the House and Senate tried and shot including their staff people. The upside is that much of the National debt could be retired from people bidding for spots on the firing squads.

    • aesthete

      Try tarred, feathered and run out of town. These jokers would have to really work to be honorable (or notorious) enough to merit a firing squad. As is, they’re perfectly mediocre and anemic in their cupidity, with most of their damage resulting from sloppy accidents as much as from intentional avarice.

      • runner12

        is otherwise a somber discussion. I needed it after hearing that my so-called Conservative Senator has turned Benedict Arnold on the debt crisis.

      • edintexas

        General Washington had key mutineers in the Army face the firing squad and, adding a twist to the “object lesson”, had fellow mutineers form the firing squad. The first selection of squad members refused to fire, and were promptly replaced by another group who did. I sometimes wonder why he didn’t add the first squad members to the group executed.

    • rbdwiggins

      That’s much too honorable. I envision death-by-federal-job-cuts and redistricting on a wholesale scale.

  • carolina

    ANY of the tax increases. I bet they plan to means test every deduction listed – so they can redistribute more. This would be just another way to increase taxes on the ‘rich’.
    I don’t trust any of them.

  • http://www.neoavatara.com/blog neoavatara

    …but this is a political game as well now.

    We have to force Obama to put his cards on the table…not talk about cuts behind closed doors.

    I agree, if the cuts are not made in one step, along with any tax reform, they will never happen. More importantly…our brethren in the House won’t go for it.

    So we should play the game. Say we will consider this…if and only if it is a one step process, and all cuts are made now, not later.

    And then see if Obama comes to the table. Otherwise, let Obama call our bluff.

  • vamoose

    To the detriment of the nation the Gang of 6 OKs the sale of a flawed budget proposal with the support of the current administration. (We’re only 6 months away from the instigators denying any knowledge of the arrangement.)

  • Spiral

    I’m amazed that you didn’t suffer from smoke inhalation as you studied it.

    I think the Gang of Six should have shown their fellow Congress critters some mercy and simply submitted blank paper as their deficit reduction plan.

    • carolina

      It actually IS a blank paper. (per Coburn on Kudlow tonight)

    • carolina

      It actually IS a blank paper. (per Coburn on Kudlow tonight)

  • snowshooze

    .
    This is not a rabbit they just pulled from their hat. In fact, they have been sitting on it so long, it is brown, and it stinks. Come to think of it, they don’t even have a hat… where did they pull that rabbit from anyhow?
    I believe this is a scheduled release. Notice Colburns black budget release yesterday, I see that as setup stagemanship.

    Didn’t they pass CCB in the House today? That’s what I understood by reading the day’s House votes.
    Anyway, 10 year cuts do not fit well in a one year budget.
    I am sure this plan calls for Debt ceiling increases that start now to get past the election season, cuts to projected budgets that will be padded to cover the cuts, and tax hikes that kick in right after the elections, or even better, after Obama’s term.
    Oh, and we get 24 hours to approve this rabbit. Plus an all night pizza party where they try to cram this thing down our throats… I bet it would make the time-share guys blush. They are going to go all out on this sale.
    24 hours, or this rabbit will hop on down the bunny trail.
    So I am pretty darned concerned.
    This is no rabbit…it is a rat.

  • reddog53

    This merry go round of negotiations between different factions in the House and Senate and the White House is a losing game.

    The House passed a bill. Senators of both parties must go on record as either supporting, opposing or offering amendments to the Bill. The White House needs to be patient and decide whether to veto based on what emerges as a passed bill….allowing them to be in the middle of this process to play 3 card Monte is just a loser of an idea.

    Force the Senate to vote on Cut, Cap and Spend. Force them to offer changes or not….make them do their job!!

    • snowshooze

      It all starts in the house. If they don’t like it, the House doesn’t necessairly have to produce another. Here it is boys, if you don’t like it… go fish. Or cut bait.

    • wbb1950

      Force the Senate to vote on Cut, Cap and Spend. Force them to offer changes or not?.make them do their job!!

  • snowshooze

    So this is their plan to defend themselves from fiscal responsibility.
    The good guys don’t call themselves ” Gangs ”
    The bad guys are ” Gangsters “

    • gpclaw

      What gives?

      Five Democrats voted for the measure, while nine Republicans voted against it. One of them was presidential candidate Michele Bachmann, who voted no because the bill did not repeal Obamacare.

      Then why did she sign the CCB pledgeearlier in the day?

      • gekster

        from:
        http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/172439-bachmann-paul-vote-against-gops-cut-cap-and-balance-bill

        excerpt:
        Bachmann said the bill does not go far enough to fundamentally restructure the way Washington spends money, and in particular does not go after “ObamaCare.”

        “We must remember that ObamaCare is the largest spending and entitlement program in our nation’s history,” she said. “That means, at a time when we can least afford it, President Obama added to our spending problem by the trillions. Without its repeal, we cannot have real economic reform.”

        I would be inclined to agree with her.
        What’s the use of this bill, when we leave the biggest money sucker on the books.

        • gpclaw

          The proposal was already written when she signed the pledge. Jim DeMint has given plenty of interviews advocating exactly what the House passed. I understand that Bachmann may have wanted more, but don’t sign the pledge, then vote against the budget bill that the pledge endorses.

          • gekster

            This is ciurious.
            Maybe more will come out later.

          • gekster

            on the bill is that it raises the debt limit.
            That is something she has stood against.

            Which brings up an interesting observation about the debt limit.
            Why do we have a debt limit, when every time we get near it, we raise it.

            Why don’t we instead call it,
            When we come to this goal post, we move the goal post back, until we get to the goal post again, and move it back again limit.

            The obvious thing to me is, it has never been a “limit”.

          • gpclaw

            and if we get a BBA, then the debt limit issue will go away.

            Bachman’s vote still baffles me. As I understand it, Jim DeMint was not going to endorse any candidate who would not sign the Cut Cap and Balance pledge. Bachman has been hesitant to sign it, I’m sue for the reasons you indicated above, and just signed the pledge on Monday.

            The entire strategy behind Cut Cap and Balance, was that it would take something significant to get enough votes to get a BBA passed in both houses. In multiple interviews, Jim DeMint has stated that the idea was to trade a debt ceiling increase for a BBA, because the long term benefits of a BBA would outweigh the cost of raising the debt ceiling.

            This leads me to wonder if Bachman only signed the pledge to appease DeMint, with the hopes of getting his endorsement in the SC primary. Again, I don’t intend to be critical of her voting ‘No’ on CCB, but she knew what she was signing onto when she signed the CCB pledge, and only a day later, she broke the pledge. It’s a little frustrating, because it looks like someone trying to straddle the fence.

          • gpclaw

            nt

          • acat

            “Bet ya can’t eat just one” …

            Mew

  • wbb1950

    It sounds like Eric was right about where Tom Coburn was heading, I am not surprised. What surprises me is that Mike Crapo would go along with this. I know him, he is a conservative Republican and he worked for Gibson Dunn which was William French Smith’s firm. This is more what I would expect out of bambozlers like the Whirling Dervish Dick Durbin. Once you get past the smoke and mirrors what do you find? More smoke and mirrors, more big government, and giving too much discretion on spending cuts to a man who should be reigned in tightly. Yes, it is a sell out, but after the McConnell dive it looks . . . like a lesser sell-out. But I commend you on the analysis. If big media is for it, you can bet your bottom dollar it is bad for the American People and if you do not bet you will find that they have already spent your bottom dollar for you.

  • 6eorge Jetson

    $100 billion for one month. (Feel free to fine tune or correct my numbers, but I believe we’re running a $133 billion monthly deficit.)

    What a bunch of swell Republicans, what, voting to increase the debt ceiling. (and reduce the spending gap by 25% immediately.

    • wbb1950

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041716/

  • http://www.neoavatara.com/blog neoavatara

    We will see. He gives liberals these openings every once and a while. Whether he shuts the door in their face when push comes to shove is the real question.

    • snowshooze

      But anything Obama likes, I will bet I do not.
      And I just heard on the radio that Coburn and Obama are buddies.

    • snowshooze

      But anything Obama likes, I will bet I do not.
      And I just heard on the radio that Coburn and Obama are buddies.

    • carolina

      So – he pulled this off of the shelf. The gang did invest a bunch of time working on it, and it is better than the McConnell plan (which isn’t saying much).
      Hey – it got BO to come out of his foxhole.
      I don’t think they can get the legislation written in 2 weeks, especially if folks aren’t on board with the details.

    • carolina

      So – he pulled this off of the shelf. The gang did invest a bunch of time working on it, and it is better than the McConnell plan (which isn’t saying much).
      Hey – it got BO to come out of his foxhole.
      I don’t think they can get the legislation written in 2 weeks, especially if folks aren’t on board with the details.

  • wbb1950

    He hates Obama but loves Reid. How can this be asked one inquiring mind at NRO? After all Obama and Reid are fruits of the same poisonous tree. Except Obama came from Chicago and Harry came from Searchlight Nevada which had a population of zero when he lived there. But the answer to the question is not that difficult. Why does Wynn love Harry? Because Harry is for sale. He is an honest politician–one who stays bought. And the casino owners in Las Vegas can count on him to deliver. Remember the proposal to build a high speed train from Los Angeles to Las Vegas–that wasn’t for Wynn it was for infrastructure. Just like the late Robert Byrd loved to build highways, and Ted Stevens fancied the idea of a bridge to nowhere–which is synonoymous with the Obama presidency. And now we find Wynn building casinos in the far east where the money is. I like Wynn and I think he is being honest. Just as Bogie and Bergman will always have Paris, Wynn will always have Harry and Hong Kong. That said, I like what he is saying about Obama–he speaks the truth and that takes courage. And he admits he was wrong to vote for him in 2008.

    • Doc Holliday

      and Wynn never said he voted for Obama, he gave money to McCain and did not give to Obama.

    • snowshooze

      Our bridge to nowhere.. would bring devolopment to our area.
      It will pay. Nowhere is the other end of the bridge because it is a 90 mile trip aroud the inlet, or about 2 miles across it. Sonn as it hit the other side, it would be somewhere.
      Why a bridge in San Francisco? That’s just nuts.. Or Brooklyn, or Manhattan… or Florida?
      This one would access a new port facility for high seas shipping… open up accissable land for residential development and we are talking a toll bridge.
      Plus, Anchorage is all used up. There is no buildable land left. Well… danged little, and overpriced.
      The bridge project is currently out for bid. Pressing forward.
      No, you didn’t hurt my feelings… I think I have to do my best to explain it though.
      Thanks,
      Mark

      • snowshooze

        ANWR is stuck. We can’t get to it.
        The real reason is that the State retains 90% of the tax revenue. The Federal end is 10%
        The Federal Government wants 50%
        If we agreed to the 50-50 split over the 90-10 split, it would open tomorrow.
        That is the issue. Nothing else counts, that is the whole deal in a nutshell.
        Uncle Ted told them to take a walk. And I know, he was known as a Pork King, but let me tell you, he made this State. Yes, I am indebted to him because he helped me out personally a couple times, but he only did his job. I ain’t nobody. I made more money as an employee than at my current business.

  • jaykali

    I think we need to come to grips that we are not going to get anything close to what we want without the presidency and the senate (both very much in play in 2012). So it appears like if the ‘outline’ of this comes to fruition without getting completely watered down and ruined (and that’s a big IF- altho Democrats know that if they stray too far it will die altogether) – then that would be a pretty good compromise in this environment.

    As usual the devil is in the details as always and we’ll probably hate it by the end of the week or maybe when it comes out of committee with specifics and the DREAM ACT attached and other bullcrap they’ll weight the bill down with. But I will keep an open mind for at least a day or 2. I haven’t been completely scared off by this article nor Steve Hayes’ assessment today. I want to be slightly more optimistic in light that this appears to be a good faith compromise instead of a cynical “dont blame us” bill that McConnell is selling with his new BFF Harry Reid.

    • snowshooze

      And it is pure BS…
      And BS is the first thing we need to cut.

  • averagevoterdotcom

    drive a hard bargain compromise with this framework.
    then we capture the wh and senate next year.
    then remake it for years 2-10.
    obama is a wus but he is also a head case and I can see him losing it and flushing our sterling credit.
    are you all 100% sure of his sanity and/or intent?
    if you are, then do a rethink.

  • derechista76

    I allege that Sen. Coburn coordinated with Obama in undercutting the media coverage of Cut, Cap, and Balance in the House. He ABSOLUTELY knew his action today would bring said result.

    What’s in it for him? After backing this smoke and mirrors whitewash, maybe he’ll be appointed by his buddy as the new Obamacre Czar. After this spectacle, I wouldn’t rule anything out.

  • keysconservative

    Nothing about the debt ceiling in the plan? I thought that was the most pressing issue.

  • cordpt

    You criticize the G6 “plan” for including too many provisions that, in your view, democrats won’t support – “furthermore, the proposal relies upon the passage of some conservative reforms, which if seriously drafted, will never be supported by a majority of the Democrat Caucus”; “But does anyone believe that Democrats will ever pass any meaningful tort reform as long as they are being bankrolled by trial lawyers.” – and your alternative to that is the CCB Act?

    What gives? If the Dems cant’ support something like this, they’ll never support the CCB.

    • http://redmeatconservative.blogspot.com/ Daniel Horowitz

      can be forced to support it or face electoral reprisal for not rectifying their vices that led to their demise in 2010.

      This plan is originating from the Democrats. As such, it makes no sense that they would willingly initiate such reforms. The reality is that there is no real draft, while the current outline is full of hot air that fails to substantiate their top line numbers, both on the revenue and spending side.

      All this leads me to believe that either the final draft will never contain some of the better provisions, or the entire blueprint was just a Trojan horse to divert attention from the scheduled vote on CCB today. If the latter is true, then they purposely loaded this up with nice, balanced ideas that they know will never pass, in the hope that it would obviate the momentum for CCB and leave McConnell-Reid as the only option. To a large degree they succeeded. This is also why Reid was more tepid in his support for the plan. He ultimately wants to use this as interference so he can ram through his preferred plan.

      • aesthete

        This has Tip O’Neill’s DNA written all over it — Tip O’Neill being, of course, the Speaker of the House who famously reneged on agreed-upon discretionary spending cuts after Reagan came through on his end of the deal to raise taxes. (He and other Dems of the time also did a great job of keeping entitlement reform from even making it to the list of items to be discussed, much less something to be reneged upon.) In all likelyhood, Republicans are going to have to forcefully and successfully advocate for one concrete plan to the public, and twist Dems’ arms so that they’ll vote for it if only due to fears of voters booting their butts out of office. Difficult? Yes. Impossible? No.

        • http://redmeatconservative.blogspot.com/ Daniel Horowitz

          Harry Reid’s statements about the GO6 plan seem to indicate that he will use it as a trojan horse to kill CCB and push McConnell.

        • cordpt

          Impossible, definitely impossible. Any meaningful budgetary and entitlement reform with any prospect of enactment needs to be bipartisan – otherwise the other side will simply accuse the proposal of being extreme and partisan, demagogue about tax raises/medicare/whatever and quickly win the support of at least half of the population – making the fear of the electorate ineffectual. Not to mention the pressure from rent-seeking interest groups.

          Plus, spending cuts are very unpopular – and I mean actual, concrete, spending cuts, especially if it includes, as it needs to include, entitlement reform, not “spending cuts” as an abstract concept -, they’ll be even more once enacted – as, say, David Cameron is finding out; so politicians will want bipartisan cover before doing anything meaningful.

      • cordpt

        there’s a lot of political posturing going on and that the Democrat leadership has no intention of passing any meaningful deficit reduction legislation pre-2012. However, that’s exactly why I think it’s wise to not shut down this door. At the very least, it’ll put in public display their hypocrisy once again.

        But what momentum for the CCB? The CCB is DOA, it can’t pass the Senate. You know it, everybody knows it. Do you really believe Democrats will vote for the CCB because of electoral calculations? That was exactly my point – your very lucid and properly cynical about the G6 plan and the democrats’ motivations but then you pretend the CCB is remotely viable. Heck, how many House democrats voted for it? Boren (he should switch parties), Cooper Shuler , McIntyre, Matheson. Five blue-dogs; I’ll assume the later 4 were motivated by the fear of electoral reprisal ( I guess this suggests Matheson will run for the Senate seat). That’s an incredibly low number, most blue dogs had no problem in voting against it. How many Dem votes will you get in the Senate? Maybe Nelson?

    • runner12

      is really beginning to irritate me. On every discussion regarding the debt ceiling you have advocated for compromise and retreat. The diarist’s logic is perfectly sound. He rightly points out that Democrats lie and trick Republicans every time one of these so-called compromises comes up. I challenge you to find one time when Conservatives compromised with Democrats and the result for the country was good.

      Also, how do you know Democrats won’t support CCB unless you force a vote? If they refuse to support it, I would like to know why and so would the American people. CCB is a common sense approach that any sane person would jump to support. Why aren’t you supportive of it?

      We have tried what you are advocating many times in the past. It is an approach that has failed and a wise person once said that the definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. It is time to end the stupidity.

      This is not about elections or winning political brownie points, it is about principles and the future of this country.

      • tea4me

        …but I do read a lot. And it’s quite tiring reading Cordpt’s tripe

  • electionwatch

    besides me.

    • snowshooze

      here

      • runner12

        It is the most common sense approach out there.

    • littlehouse18

      My hopes are not high for it, but it’s at least another opportunity to expose the Dems (well, before the G6 highjacked the media spotlight, anyway).

    • Bobcat51

      I with CCB, Remember Coburn and Obama, BFF.

  • phenry

    why are the President and the Dem controlled senate going to vote against a balanced budget. Do they believe that balanced budgets are inherently wrong? Do they believe in deficit spending as a matter of principle? Do they believe that not spending more than you take in is “extreme”, and yet profligate running up of debt is responsible? For all Obama’s talk of wanting to find solutions, he looks pretty bad vetoing the very thing Americans want – a sensible budget solution.

    • littlehouse18

      ..

  • RealQuiet

    This ain’t the Gang of Six, it is the Gang of Gag because this plan is a joke.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/272237/sessions-skeptical-gangs-proposal-andrew-stiles

  • Samsara

    because everything else proposed is too small to deal with the debt problem. I also support the balanced budget amendment, but it could take years to gain ratification by the states.

    Thank you Senator Coburn.

  • annas

    is retiring after this stint so he need not do anything principled like STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT. One never sees the Democrats compromising–just Republicans.

  • traversecityconservative

    Doesn’t the bill have to come from the House, not the Senate since it’s a spending bill? Or are we just ignoring the Constitution AGAIN?

    • snowshooze

      So why even address it beyond our initial offer…
      Perhaps the grown-ups here can correct us.

    • littlehouse18

      But what do they care about the Constitution?

      • gekster

        It’s “when” have they cared about the Constitution.

        • snowshooze

          You are one of the grown-ups.
          Can they do anything without the House?
          Thanks,
          Mark

          • gekster

            Then then it gos to the Senate to be reconciled, and then sent back to the House.
            This goes back and forth until they get a spending bill both agree on, and then it goes to the President for signiture or veto.
            To the best of my knowledge, that is how it is supposed to work.
            If I am wrong in this simple explanation, I await to be corrected.

            (and my friends use a small g, I’m not that big).

          • snowshooze

            I don’t think it will go to your head.. it ain’t like you were entrusted with the football….and I don’t know if you are older than a 51 year old kid… but you seem to know a bit more how things work. I pay attention to your rants…
            Thanks,
            Mark

          • http://www.ipsnational.com Craig Whitelock

            The Constitution will be followed, but there will take place a “transfer” or “exchange” if you will, of Bills. The House will largely adopt the language that the Senate proposes and call it its own. The bill will move to the Senate and pass in a different form. From here we will have a “Conference” for reconciliation, out of which will come a spending bill that both Houses can pass.

            Next up: Budget battles.

  • annas

    the Senate passes this Gang Bill does it not also have to be passed in the House? If so, I can at least have hope that conservative heads will hold fast there….perhaps.

  • tea4me

    I expect Demint and/or others will filibuster any of these Senate plans.

    At least I sure hope so…

    • powertothepeople

      NT

      • powertothepeople

        of reading comprehension on my part. You are talking about DeMint stalling the bill in the Senate.

        • rightwingmom52

          but this t-shirt implies a nasty profanity, and I wish you’d remove it from your tag.

          • Just_Saying

            I agree wholeheartedly with rightwingmom52, and wish you’d delete it. It impresses no one and disgusts many, even though I’ve never support Hillary. (That’s not the point.)
            .

        • streiff

          I deleted your sig. If you have an issue with that hit the contact button

        • rightwingmom52

  • tea4me

    Let it happen. As Mark Levin said…Aug 3rd will be our new Independence day.

    • http://www.ipsnational.com Craig Whitelock

      Too much will be lost for such a small gain in the end. Compromise is native to this Republic.

      • tea4me

        Or we lose it today and rebuild.

        If compromise were native to the Republic. There wouldn’t even be a Republic. We’d stll be a colony to the King.

        It amazes me that people can’t figure this stuff out for themselves.

        • powertothepeople

          I am no fan of the current leaderships plan or their willingness to bow at the feet of Obama, but you are wrong in your stance as much as they are in theirs.

          Compromise was paramount to our inception as a country. Right now we own 1/2 of 1/3 of government. We can not force our will at this time and putting up some silly front just to tell voters we “did the right thing” will do nothing but put our country in bankrupt status. We are already on the verge of bankruptcy not too mention the fact we are inches away from losing our credit status. We lose the credit status, we go under.

          The only right thing to do now is force some movement from the left to us, and then give them the debt ceiling increase. I am not happy that the joker is willing to make the left give up so little in order for us to raise the ceiling, but at the same time, can not build Rome today.

          What is going to have to happen (should our reps find their balls) is to force Obama and his cronies into as many serious cuts as possible in exchange for the raise, then we have to take back the other house in Congress and put in the right conservative in the presidential office, then we can bitch and moan if they do not use the power we gave them to cut the hell out of the budget, get spending under control, and end this enormous debt that is crushing us. But right now there is no way and socialist love to spend president along with his idiot controlled senate is going to do the right thing and they can stop us from doing it with little trouble.

          • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

            the other side wants to compromise, but it has to be a real compromise in which they give up something.

            Do not casually dismiss the advantages to a USA default. It would be wrenching yes, but it would have one huge advantage, The Politicians would not be able to continue to expand the government through borrowing.

            Even if there were no default, but draconian cuts had to be used because of a cap crises, then that would have the same effect. the cost of borrowing would go way too high to continue as before.

            That would be a good thing in the long run. As for the effect upon the “full faith and credit” of the United States, I am unconcerned. We ought to be living within our means and if we can’t then we ought to pay the price of any stupid spendthrift.

            We have at least two generations of weak, stupid, and spoiled people who are going to have to wake up to reality some time or another, better sooner than later.

          • powertothepeople

            that it would keep the reps from spending and borrowing, but the downsides are much worse and they would outweigh the few positives.

            If nothing else happened other than the loss of our credit rating, that alone would be devastating to our way of life. Not too mention the great loss of money to investors, companies, and so on.

            You are right serious things need to be done, but you can only get so much of the pie when you are not in power. They need to force more right now and I am quite angry at the leaderships willingness to do as Obama wants, but setting that aside, they need to go for what is reachable and then take the rest once we fire Obama and some more dems. Then if they fail to do what is needed, we get real mad.

  • http://www.ipsnational.com Craig Whitelock

    This sort of compromise was to be expected and is the norm for Washington. Neither side in this battle wants to be associated with the arbitrary, yet very real in our world consciousness, default on American debt. A grand and magnificent deal that gives and takes is the American way.

    I certainly appreciate the author’s assertions and depth of thought, but to solely rely on cuts, cap, and balance was, and is not, “Politically” possible. Conservatives will need to give, to get, in this debate, and cannot count on the politics of absolutism in this fight.

    We will have to accept a hodgepodge of measures that cut spending on paper and then rely on the Tea Party Representatives and Senators to enforce those cuts. Perhaps some Democrats sensing the mood public, are beginning to embrace the Laffer Curve in order to save their seats in 2012. We’ll see.

    On the tax increase side of the ledger, much like Reagan’s re-alignment in the early 80′s, there will be some pain for the Middle to Upper Middle Classes, with the significant reduction to mortgage interest, which represents the majority of dollars that can be deducted from these household’s tax burden.

    In the end, nothing can be accomplished without compromise. Those arguing to “stay the course” on purely Conservative values neglect the reality that the body politic is only slightly right of Center in this country. As Conservatives we need to acknowledge that the curve is finally being bent in the right direction, and live to fight another day, November 6, 2012 to be exact.

    • tea4me

      a crock.

      The only course that’s ever stayed is to the left. And it’s attitudes like yours that are the enablers of it.

      • http://www.ipsnational.com Craig Whitelock

        My attitude comes out of self interest. A Default would destroy our economy and it would take years to recover to where we are today.

        It’s attitudes like yours that lead to gridlock and inaction. You want more Conservatives, work to put them into office. Money, not mouth accomplishes this feat.

        Contribute monthly like some of us do. It’s an investment.

        • tea4me

          Let’s compromise our principles so that we can win the Senate in 2012.

          Then after we do that! Let’s compromise our principles agains so we don’t lose the House and Senate in 2014.

          It’s how it always works with squishy Republicans. It’s why we’re in the disaster we’re in today;

          • tea4me

            Directly to conservative candidates. Not the Rino party. And I doubt many contribute more than I do.

  • wbb1950

    Many years ago, I read the book American Caesar which is the story of General Douglas Mac Arthur which was written by the esteemed author William Manchester. We learn that MacArthur came from a good bloodline. His grandfather was a judge in Washington DC during the era of Daniel Webster and Manifest Destiny. His father was a Civil War hero who won the Medal of Honor for snatching victory from the jaws of defeat at the Battle of Missionary Ridge. The Confederates occupied the high ground which we know from Clausewitz is the advantaged position. From there they reined bullets down on the beleaguered union troops, which caused them to turn tail and run. Whereupon Mac Arthur’s father grabbed the bloody guidon which had fallen to the ground, and charged up the mountain in a successful counter attack. Looking back on it he said the rest of his life was determined by what he did in the sixteen minutes it took to do that.

    Given what is at stake in the current debt ceiling negotiations, and actions which we have seen from Obama,, Reid, Pelosi and McConnell which in my book amount to a form of treason, I am hoping that some of the freshmen Republicans who were sent to Congress to deal with the problem of improvident spending will seize the guidon in this instance which has been dropped by their own party leaders in an act of de facto surrender, charge up this contested hill and seize victory from the jaws of defeat.. Their crucial sixteen minutes is about to begin.

    • hilltop

      You are exactly right, The Constitution and Bill of Rights are fading as we speak.

  • nvrepub

    nt

  • averagevoterdotcom

    we don’t have the WH yet.
    moves must be tactical within a strategy.
    we are only in the 2nd quarter of this game.
    we can unwind any deal in Feb 2012.
    don’t give this criminal potus fraud an excuse to torch our credit.

  • ag8tor

    O-care type disaster waiting to happen.The most rediculous statement I have ever heard a politician say was when Pelosi told the House that they would have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it. This is basically the same thing although none of the “Gang” has made quite this stupid a statement. Saxby Chambliss has signed his own political death warrant by joining this group. Very disappointed that he would support such a fouled plan. Poltics does indeed make strange bedfellows!

  • jqcitizen

    The cut-cap-balance plan is the only proposal that is intended to seriously address our deficit-spending problem. I commend the new Republicans for putting it on the table. Unfortunately, with a democratic controlled Senate and an economically challenged President it will not have a chance. However, the American voter needs each member of Congress as either for or against a balanced budget.

    As to the McConnell and Gang of Six plans. They are non-starters and represent nothing but political expediency. Any Republican that believes that this Democratic leadership will honor any commitment to make significant spending cuts after the debt ceiling is raised hasn’t been paying attention over the last few years.

    A smaller package with real and specific spending cuts should be passed every quarter until the next election, forcing all representatives and senators and the president to show their true colors on every vote. If the President veto a bill passed by both houses, it will be on his head.

  • acat

    The Eddie Haskell of Illinois politicians, Durbin is an utterly dishonest person.

    He cannot, never has, never will, say anything that does not serve his #1 constituency, Dick Durbin himself.

    Any plan he’s involved with is pretty much by definition going to be a disaster for Conservatism.

    Mew

  • sccrenny

    for McC, Coburn, Graham, etc. RINO is outdated. They are Charlie Browns. Think of Debbie Wasserman Schultz as Lucy. Despite years of agreeing to hold the football the Dems will ALWAYS yank it away when it comes time to fulfill their end of a bargain. ALWAYS! Any Republican who thinks they can trust any agreement with Democrats is just a hapless Charlie Brown, with perhaps a good heart, but ridiculed and despised by all who know them (especially the Lucys!)