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GOP Picks for Super Duper Committee Won’t Make a Difference

Forget about the tax issue; what happened to the spending cuts?

Well, the much anticipated picks for the debt deal Super Committee have been announced.  There will be much ink spilled over who was chosen and who was rejected.  However, the salient point is not the orientation of the committee, but the entire premise behind the committee itself.

Many conservatives will laud the choice of Pat Toomey for the committee; others will decry the pick of light bulb ban man, Fred Upton.  The reality is that none of this matters.

The Democrats have picked three radical leftists in the Senate, and are expected to follow suit with their House picks.  There is no way that Democrats on the committee will ever support meaningful spending cuts, repeal of Obamacare, or entitlement reform.  Harry Reid made sure to keep the likes of Kent Conrad and Mark Warner – senators, who have expressed some support for minor entitlement reforms – off the committee.

Even if the committee would miraculously approve some real spending cuts, does anyone really believe that Obama would support the recommendations more than he did Simpson-Bowles?  That blue-ribbon panel identified policy changes that both parties liked and hated; it called for some cuts and entitlement reform – and more taxes; nevertheless, Obama threw his own commission under the bus.  We are really to believe that Obama would approve a commission report that calls for good entitlement reforms with or without tax hikes?

Let’s be charitable for a moment and presume that Fred Upton will never support tax increases.  We must also anticipate that if he does support a tax increase, Boehner will be tenacious enough to whip up the votes against it.  Keep in mind that he is forced to schedule a vote on the committee’s recommendations.  But again, let’s assume that the tax hikes are defeated.  Is this the best we can do from a deal that was supposed to be a harbinger for sweeping spending cuts?  It is pathetic that the best we can say from our own deal, fueled by our own leverage, is that “at least we were spared from tax increases.”  No kidding!  The best we can hope for from our own leverage is that we won’t pass more imprudent legislation?  Weren’t we supposed to use our leverage to gain ground by reducing the size of government?

Instead of gaining ground with spending cuts, we will actually lose ground with this ridiculous super committee.  We can appoint Jim DeMint, Mike Lee, Rand Paul, Jim Jordan, Michele Bachmann, and Jeff Flake to the committee – and it still won’t matter.  The new committee will be as ephemeral as Simpson-Bowles.  After the excitement surrounding the selections dies down, the committee will be deadlocked, triggering the sequestration process.  But that’s a good thing, isn’t it?

Nope.

This sequestration cuts 50% from defense spending, while exempting all welfare programs from the process.  We must remember that much of the discretionary cuts triggered from the first tranche will also include defense cuts.   Some of the remaining cuts will come from the government’s obligations to healthcare providers.  That’s some concession from Obama.  More precisely, it appears that he will be able to have his cake and eat it too.

The real problem has very little to do with the orientation of the committee.  The problem all along was this ridiculous debt deal that failed to preclude a credit downgrade, limit government, or curb entitlements.  Worse, it will cut from the few areas that the federal government is actually responsible to support.

But fear not; at the very least, we won’t incur tax hikes – or, will we?

COMMENTS

  • snowshooze

    You are correct. No need to send in the first sting for this circus.
    They have far better things to be working on.
    The best we can expect is simply obstruction.
    We need to criticize in a constructive way, but obstruct nonetheless.
    We will hit the trigger…and guess what?
    No cuts.
    Well, Obama might go for Medicare/medicaid… but again, he want’s to move everyone into Obamacare to make it bulletproof, constitutional or not. Maybe that is the long game.
    But Defense is safe, Obama is nearly ready to go after Syria, he may hate the militaary, but he won’t hesitate to use it to bully the world.

  • hokie_o67

    The super committee is an open admission by our elected representatives of both parties that they are a failure. They have failed to perform the job that we elected them to do. They have failed to pass a budget that authorizes expenditures by the government on our behalf. All federal expenditures should cease immediately until Congress can pass a rational budget and spending bill.

    • dajeeps

      “They have failed to perform the job that we elected them to do. ”

      This is because they want to do a different job which has everything to do with themselves instead of average Joe. I realize that not all are like that, especially from the freshmen, but it really is not that far from the truth for most. I think many see the situation like it is better to king over chaos than never be king at all, and no one else matters.

    • juumanistra

      The Joint Committee is an admission that each party currently has a view of the size and scope of government that are fundamentally irreconcilable and that neither party is currently strong enough to prevail by legislative force over the other. The Joint Committee is, some ways, proof that the Congresscritters are doing their jobs: Unable to achieve via conventional legislative channels a package that is amenable to both chambers, a mechanism has been created to achieve reductions in governmental outlays come Hell or high water. It’s an arrangement nobody particularly likes, and is liable to produce many unintended consequences if the fail-safe spending reductions are triggered, but given that it’s routinely said around here that the 2010 election was about sending folks to Washington to cut spending, you can’t say they haven’t been trying.

      Or, if you want to rant about Congress’s failure to pass a budget, keep it confined to the Senate. As the House actually has been doing its job, and remains on track to have passed an FY2012 budget by the end of the fiscal year.

      • hokie_o67

        Point well taken, juumanistra. I painted with too broad of a brush. The house passed not one, but two budgets, and actually had a third ready to go. The Senate however, has been an abject failure. A few in the Senate seem to be focused on a clear solution (Rand Paul, Pat Toomey), but the RINOs in the Senate (McConnell, McCain, my two from GA) haven’t gotten the word yet. With their 6-year terms, it takes a little longer to get the message to the Senate, but rest assured it’s coming.

        Regardless, I consider the super committee to be an admission of failure for Congress in general. Typical government solution–if you can’t get the people charged with doing the job to do it, form another committee.

      • edintexas

        You believe there was an expectation in Congress that spending will be reduced? For that matter, you believe spending will be reduced as a result of this “committee”?

        I have some oceanfront property in Arizona, and a bridge or two, for sale.

        • juumanistra

          I believe there was an expectation in RedState commenters that spending would be cut “LIEK NAO!!!11111eleventyone”. Which is the only possible explanation for all of the whinging that occurred during the CR and debt-ceiling fights, with constant fulminations Boehner had sold out the Tea Party, the freshmen had gone native, the GOP was hopelessly lost, and a number of other overwrought expressions of angst at every shred of news to emerge from the Hill indicating that the House GOP wasn’t winning in a rout.

          Will spending be reduced as a result of the Joint Committee? Yes. Because the only circumstance in which it is not would be via an all revenue-enhancement package, which will never make it out of the Committee, and as such the fail-safe sequestrations would be triggered. Invariably, there will be reductions in outlays, be it either by agreement of the Committee or the measures taken to ensure that cuts are made even in the face of disagreement.

          Now then, will they be “real” cuts, as in they will take a bite out of current outlays rather than spread out over the ten year budgeting window? I do not know, and for that matter, don’t much care so long as they’re not back-loaded. For better or worse, we’re stuck with ten-year budgeting forecasts and all that we talk about is framed by them, so grousing about the etherealness of proposed reductions in future outlays is a bit like grousing that life isn’t fair. I can only hope that some of the “common sense reforms” Paul Ryan’s talked up of late that he wishes to pursue this fall in the Budget Committee includes shifting to a more realistic 3-5 year budget forecast window and taking an axe to baseline budgeting.

  • http://nerds4cain.com Brookhaven

    Yea, I turned a blinkd eye to Bush rolling up big deficits on top of the debt, but that doesn’t mean I can’t’ change.

    The downgrade shold be rock bottom for big government addicts. The event that makes them reevaluate everything they believe. Another great depression is possible, and it will be caused by out of control government spending.

    Too bad the GOP doesn’t get it. They still think we (Tea Partiers) are willing to compromose with running up the debt.

    The left calls us terrorist for refusing to compromise, but they have the wrong analogy. We’re the alcoholics that have become clean and sober. We know that compromose (“just one drink, what could it hurt?”) is the road to disaster.

    • wennejunk

      even at rock bottom, big government addicts still have an open bar. Kinda hard to quit when the booze is freely available and your spouse hasn’t yet kicked you out.

      Until the Pols are dumped, they will not reform their ways.

  • http://www.fpcr.org balloonjuice

    Sequestration does not cut defense spending by 50%. It simply says that 50% of the cuts must come from defense. I personally agree that if the federal government has an indispensable role, it is national defense. Having said that I also believe we can do more with less in the military. What I’m getting at is that sequestration will not be the end of the world as we know it.

    On the other hand, snowshooze is exactly right about where we need to be concentrating our efforts right now. Obstruct, defeat, and change the direction of congress and the WH in 2012. We have only begun to reverse a revolution that began in 1932. It may take us more than one election cycle to finish the job.

    Keep your powder dry

    • clintonformccain

      The cuts would come from Big Sis’ Homeland Securty, the State Department, etc. Frankly, at this point, my attitude is “cut all of it….” Any cut is a good cut.

      I think there will be enormous pressure on the spending committee to come up with a deal and get it through both houses of congress and a Presidential signature. Will it be a perfect deal that satisfies the hardliners in either party? No, it won’t be. Nothing ever is in Washington.

      Will it be a deal that takes a few more little bites at the problem? Yes. It probably will be.

  • phenry

    and Obama knows it. Frankly, the first party that says they’ll embrace a mix of spending cuts and tax increases to balance the budget will win the support of independents. We’re losing this battle because Obama has already given lip service to the idea, and the more moderate democrats are following suit.

    Now, this presents a conundrum. Most GOPers signed Grover Norquist’s pledge not to raise taxes. If they vote to raise them, they will be painted as hypocrites in 2012. If they don’t, they’ll be painted as intransigent and unrealistic.

    What this requires is some skilful negotiating on the part of Boehner and the super committee (I know, too much to hope for). A deal must be passed that moderately raises taxes in exchange for large cuts. We need to start the negotiating at 3-4 dollars of real cuts for every 1 dollar of tax increases. In the end, we can go down to 1 for 1. This deal must be passed by mostly Democrats in the house, with about half of the Republicans supporting them. Tea Partiers and conservatives must be able to vote against it to keep their promises, but the GOP as a whole must be seen to be reasonable and amenable to compromise.

    Can House leadership pull it off? Probably not, but let’s hope someone can for the sake of 2012.

    • juumanistra

      I think you have properly identified the real danger facing the GOP at the moment: Being outflanked in the battle for the hearts and minds of the electorate by the “balanced” approach to deficit reduction. Where I think you are mistaken is a matter of tactics: Any approach that relies on the Democrats obliging in letting the House GOP’s Tea Party’s stalwarts out of a tough vote is one which is probably not worth pursuing.

      And while Republicans do need to get out in front of this, I believe that the Joint Committee is the inappropriate venue for such. It’s important to remember that it is a complement to, rather than replacement for, the on-going budget fight: That is, after all, why Paul Ryan explicitly opted out of the Joint Committee. Ultimately, the best strategy for the Joint Committee remains to keep it focused on coming up with a minimally satisfactory deal to both parties that achieves the goals set out in the debt-ceiling deal while moving on a parallel track towards the big-ticket policy and procedural items baked into the Path to Prosperity. (Though, if one actually wants to play a game of brinksmanship, the Joint Committee would be a fine weapon to use to try and compel the Senate to actually mark-up and send a budget for reconciliation.)

      Or the GOP could just come out and own the “balanced” approach issue by promulgating a reformed tax code that was revenue positive and achieved any number of long-standing GOP tax policy objectives. ATR will either be the dog that doesn’t bark at 75% of what it’s advocated in the past actually being passed by the House, or it will confirm its status as a crank organization by essentially arguing that the current code is sacrosanct. (Which is a bad place to be, given that everyone agrees the Internal Revenue Code leaves much to be desired.)

  • mclement

    This whole “super committee” is political cover for the political leadership in Congress and the White House. It buys them a couple of months to make it seem like they have a plan to cut spending. Until I hear a proposal that states cut 5% accross the board or whole programs being cut, the whole process is a red-herring so politicians can catch their breath and do some fundraising. After all, that’s what speaks the loudest to them. Cut off their campaign dollars and then maybe we will get their attention to address the government over spending.

    • steve010

      “blue ribbon panel” . How many of those have there been in the last 40 years.

  • victrola

    because at the end of the day, no meaningful spending and entitlement cuts will occur as long as Harry Reid is Senate Majority leader and Obama is in the White House.

    Even though the many of the details in this “deal” are a joke, Republicans dodged a bullet. If Obama knew what was going to happen with S&P, he would have purposely NOT cut a deal so he could have blamed it on Republicans. Had we taken this past the deadline (with S&P downgrading us anyway), I think we would have paid a huge political price in the next election, or at the very least taken quite a bit of heat off Obama. The downgrade was a tipping point of his Presidency that is worth far more than whatever few billion more we could have squeezed.

    My guess is this committee will be almost completely sidestepped through other legislation. There will be no tax increases and only minor cuts will be enacted.

    I would argue everything is about setting up for 2012 election. Republicans should cut what they reasonably can and move on,don’t expect any game changers, you’re only going to have your heart broken.

  • wonkish1

    I was a little surprised that McConnell made more conservative picks than Boehner did.

    Kyl, Toomey, Portman and you think no serious question marks there.

    Boehner picks Upton?? Really?

    • juumanistra

      Upton is the head of the Energy and Commerce Committee in the House. If one wants to try their hand at tea leave reading, it could be surmised from his getting the nod that Boehner wants to put regulatory reform on the Joint Committee’s agenda. Most of the players we grouse most about — NLRB, EPA, HHS, DoEn — are under the watchful eyes of Energy and Commerce. And while Upton has made some truly boneheaded decisions in the past, he has done well enough in his chairmanship in the 112th Congress.

      Tea leaves are what they are. While not exactly thrilled, the only choice at the moment is to either believe the above is true, or start getting angsty that Upton’s the intended patsy to get the Democrats’ preferred package out of the Joint Committee and onto the floor of the House and Senate.

      • carolina

        I think Boehner was wise to pick these guys. Meanwhile McConnell picked Senators with a background/knowledge of govt budgets and private sector business. Good picks!

        I’m also thinking Reid wanted progressive libs – because if they ‘buy in’ to the committee decisions, then the left can’t howl as loud. I can only imagine who Pelosi will pick.

      • carolina

        I think Boehner was wise to pick these guys. Meanwhile McConnell picked Senators with a background/knowledge of govt budgets and private sector business. Good picks!

        I’m also thinking Reid wanted progressive libs – because if they ‘buy in’ to the committee decisions, then the left can’t howl as loud. I can only imagine who Pelosi will pick.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Am I the only one getting sick and tired of having decisions about how my taxes will be spent, and how my and my children’s futures will be further indentured to crushing debt, being made behind closed doors in secret rather on the floor of the House and Senate in public view?

    Can we mount a campaign to encourage all Americans who are fed up with these charades to demand that their respective representatives and senators demand that the proceedings of this “Super Committee” be broadcast live on C-SPAN?

    And as for Boehner, he won’t get serious until he sees the Republicans in his district get serious about mounting a primary challenge against him, and here’s how to do it:

    http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2011/03/22/want-to-change-john-boehner-it%E2%80%99s-up-to-the-conservatives-in-his-district/

    Who is with me?

    Thank you.

    ColdWarrior

    • http://redmeatconservative.blogspot.com/ Daniel Horowitz

      David Vitter and others are introducing legislation to force the committee to broadcast their meetings.

      • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

        From Vitter’s web site, all this bill says is that there’d be “transparency” because the committee members would have to disclose donations to their campaigns while they were in session.

        http://vitter.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=8bfe77d1-9ac6-a80b-5e01-484c3f210ece&Region_id=&Issue_id=

        Is there another bill that you were referring to and, if so, do you have any other information?

        Thank you.

        ColdWarrior

        • http://redmeatconservative.blogspot.com/ Daniel Horowitz

          I must have mixed up the two transparency demands. I don’t think there is a current bill, but two congressmen have sent out a Dear Colleague letter requesting video streaming, among other things.

          http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2011/08/09/quigley-calls-for-open-supercommittee/

          • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

            Who would have believed it?

            Take a look at the Sunlight Foundation’s list of donors and then look at to who the individual donors, and the co-founder, wealthy Dem lawyer Michael R. Klein, make their political donations.

            Thank you.

            ColdWarrior

    • runner12

      I too am tired of all these backroom deals. The American people deserve better. We deserve to know what is going on behind closed doors instead of being sold a bill of goods after the fact.

  • BigRedConservative

    Defence is ridiculously bloated, as is State. Whilst none of us would like to see Defence completely gutted, there is room for a lot of behind-the-line cuts to be made. So if cuts from the sequestration process will fall on Defence, I won’t be shedding many tears.

    • juumanistra

      Is there bloat at the Pentagon? Of course. It’s a federal bureaucracy, after all, and even though its bureaucrats wear uniforms, they’re still bureaucrats. That said, there’s nowhere near as much bloat at the Pentagon as is usually ascribed to it by the Left and more dovish deficit hawks: The first round of Obama defense reductions in tandem with those contemplated by sequestration will have reduced the Pentagon’s budget by roughly 20% off its FY2009 highs. Even at the most bloated of federal bureaucracies you’d be hard-pressed to eliminate 20% of costs without reducing its efficacy or its responsibilities: You certainly can’t do it at a bureaucracy that’s better than most in the bloat department.

      So cuts on the scale we’re talking necessarily mean reforming the force structure, scrapping extant capabilities, and/or changing the nature of our military commitments abroad. Here is where so many miss the forest for the trees on defense and the deficit: The Pentagon’s budget is not sacrosanct, except to the extent that it is has a far, far firmer constitutional pedigree than the Departments of Education and Energy. There is, likewise, nothing wrong with cutting the Defense Department’s budget per se, so long as we have arrived at such knowing the consequences they will entail. So, if a policy fight was fought and it was decided that the U.S. should return to a foreign policy of the sort of the 1920s, there would be nothing wrong with slashing Defense spending by 70%, rendering the Army a rump constabulatory force, and optimizing the Navy principally to protect American shipping in the far-flung corners of the world. The deficit neurosis puts the cart before the horse, and entirely sidesteps the necessity of the preliminary debate about what America’s interests are and how they should be protected.

      Without that appropriate framing for defense spending policy, cutting the Pentagon’s budget simply to make the math work out is idiotic and reckless beyond all measure. Which is why defense is different from almost every other line item in the federal budget, with the only other two being remotely comparable being Social Security and Medicare. (Because the size and scope necessary for either program to work depends very heavily upon how one answers the question of what the goals of each are, beyond “provide Granny money” and “pay Granny’s medical bills”, respectively.)

  • drfredc

    For starters, why do the Senate Dems, who haven’t submitted a budget in nearly 900 days even get a seat on this Farce for a Budget process? What have they done to get rewarded with equal seats?

    There’s been lots of these sort of committees before — nothing much came from them. So why are we to believe this Farcecle will be different?

    OK, assume we can get beyond this ‘minor’ issues to the meat of the issue. The Dems want a balanced, shared approach. OK. Lets start with eliminating defined benefit plans for public employees and politicians that allow them to muck up the private sector without any skin in the game as far as their retirement goes… Develop a plan to scale public wages back til they roughly match equivalent private sector worker bees salaries AND benefits. Then do away with the prevailing wage laws that are nothing more than welfare for unions.

    If folks want tax changes — fine. Offer choice for homeowners to opt out of mortgage interest deduction in favor of allowing deductions for home maintenance (painting, roofing, landscaping, maids, etc). Businesses get this deduction… Why not homeowners? Optionally, for folks directly employed by homeowners, allow payment of a 10% sales tax directly to the Federal Government in lue of income tax, FICA and other employment ‘taxes’. This would be counted as income as far as qualifying for welfare and unemployment benefits goes. This will IMMEDIATELY create a huge market for lots of unemployed to get off their butts and back to work — saving billions in unemployment and other welfare payments while generating billions in new revenue.

    Adjust baseline budgeting so that it matches the growth of the GDP from the previous year. Any new revenue over that due to economic growth will be dedicated to paying off debt (not deficit reduction — PAYING OFF THE DEBT). In other words, no more buying off our own debt with more future debt. Too often, the current solution to paying off the debt is just to buy the old debt with new $.

    You know, common sense stuff than any homeowner or business person faced with huge debt and deficits would be expected to consider and do.

    • juumanistra

      The Joint Committee’s work is entirely separate and unique from the on-going budgetary process for the upcoming fiscal year. Sufficiently separate and unique that Paul Ryan opted out of it because of the continued demands of his committee chairmanship as he shepherds the rest of the FY2012 appropriations bills through the House. As said up-thread, the Joint Committee’s work is a complement to, rather than replacement for, the standard appropriations process.

      Or, so it seems, such is the line that is emerging from the Republican camp.

  • jeffreywturner

    Wasn’t he one of the co-sponsors of the original Bush tax cuts back in 2001? Perhaps I am confusing him with someone else.

  • carolina

    (on Kudlow) as the kind of things that he would like accomplish w/in the super committee. There will be at least one voice for economic growth on the committee. (and there will be other GOP pro-growth voices)
    Toomey mentioned regulatory reform and tax “efficiency”. Hope springs eternal…….

    • runner12

      He will have to speak really slow though, the establishment types become confused when you start talking common sense.

      Go get ‘em Sen. Toomey!

    • ihateliberals

      he isn’t in line with the RINO’s at all. He makes sense and talks of things that neither the liberals or RINO’s want to hear.

      • runner12

        I am praying that he is not marginalized, as he is outnumbered. They will prop him up for us Conservatives and likely not listen to one word he says.

        But they are miscalculating if they think that he will take that kind of treatment and not fight back. One honest man can do a lot of damage to a corrupt process.

    • cwfoster

      made in the above article, is that A) the liberals only need ONE ‘squishy republican’ to make sure that nothing GOOD comes out of the committee, and B) if nothing comes out of the committee that can pass the House, the defense spending cuts and immunity of the entitlement programs are a bulletproof done deal.

      Without. Anything. Else. Being. Done

  • conservative_dan

    … to pick gasbags like Durbin and Schumer although John “why the long face” Kerry will provide good use of the barf bag. And Pelosi? Let’s see. She’s pretty smart, so I expect her to pick a lounge chair, a grape, and a gallon of botox.

    Most here are right, nothing will come of this. The best thing to happen would be that nothing happens. Let’s concentrate on the prize……2012.

    • cwfoster

      and how far will this thinking go before there’s nothing LEFT to fight over? When the ‘prize’ is a pile of ashes? How far CAN we afford to let this go? Then I guess we’ll just say, no point in fighting now! and there never WILL be any fight!

  • eugenio

    They just want to trick the American people into believing that they’re serious about the debt. Forming committees is just their way of shrugging responsibility. Besides that Boehner can’t allow any of these petty crisis’ to interfere with his and Barry’s tee times.

  • dudette

    Why cant we just follow the regular legislative process as PER CONSTITUTION? this is so stupid and i dont even know if it is legal—we are entitled to our full representation and the ability to amend, etc….I think this committee is riding on very shaky wheels as far as that is concerned.

    • juumanistra

      The Joint Committee is part of the regular legislative process, little different in its constitutional pedigree from other committees in each house of Congress. Each chamber of Congress has plenary power to determine its own internal operating rules: It’s all right there in Article I, Section 5. (“Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member.”) This includes the manners in which legislation is drafted and shepherded through to the floor: If the Senate wishes to out-source drafting of legislation to a band of drunken chimps with typewriters while the House prohibits amending legislation unless one goes onto the floor and does the Funky Chicken while singing “The Itsy, Bitsy Spider”, they are free to do so. Or, more relevantly, they may form a unitary committee to draft legislation and then send it to the House and/or Senate for approval in appropriate order to comply with Article I, Section 7.

      The Joint Committee’s end-product still is subject to the necessity of being approved by an up-or-down vote in both houses and being signed by the President. That’s your “full representation” right there: True, Congresscritters will have the sword of Damocles hanging above them in terms of the defense half of the sequestrations if the Joint Committee’s end-product is not approved, but the Congress also approved that package of incentives by a wide margin.

      • ihateliberals

        that the GOP went for this. It is a huge waste of time and my representative still has to vote so why not just cut out the middlemen the committee. Communist used committee’s to rule Russia. Just saying……….

        • juumanistra

          Given that before it can reach the floor, more or less every bill has to pass through a subject-matter specific committee within each chamber of Congress, then per the logic of your post, Congress is made up of Communists.

          Certainly gives new meaning to the phrase “Congressman from a red state”, doesn’t it?

      • cwfoster

        Committees are indeed a normal part of the legislative process, but NOT a committee whose recommendations, if ignored or voted down, lead to cuts in programs that the Federal government is required to do by charter (The Constitution; providing for the common defense), in order to preserve spending on programs that are found nowhere in the Constitution (Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Dept. of Education, Dept. of Energy, etc, etc, ad nauseum) THAT is a relatively new development, like enacting law that wont apply to the legislators, or enacting laws that are retroactive.

  • gunslingr45

    just an old solider. Can someone please explain to me how this committee is even legal? Does it not usurp congress’s duties according to the constitution? And if so why is no one filing lawsuits against it?

    “The fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follow that, and in its turn wretchedness and oppression.” – Thomas Jefferson

    • snowshooze

      I can’t see any valid reason to form the committee, other than political cover for raising taxes.
      Oh, my other theory is they are going to hit the trigger… cut medicare and medicaid to the bone, and force them into Obamacare to make that program immortal, constitutonal or not. That is the landmine.
      And of course, is has been pointed out there will be generous staffing, offices and all that goes with a mini bureaucracy..probably upwards of a hundred desks…

      • cwfoster

        You hit the nail right on the head! They can sit back, ignore the recommendations hit the automatic ‘trigger’ and get 80-90% of their agenda (cut defense spending and redirect those funds to social programs) without having to go on record as supporting it!

        MICKEY MOUSE for SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE!

  • ihateliberals

    to such nonsense as this committee? I didn’t send my Representatives and Senators to let them have a super committee make the decisions. If they can’t do the job then we need to elect different ones and get rid of this Freaking committee of nonsense.

  • cwfoster

    I don’t know who upsets me more! The Democrats are RUINING this country, to be sure, they are communists and globalists of the highest order! But that’s what we EXPECT from them! That’s why they are ‘the other side’.

    What makes me sick is the GOP ‘leadership’ (God I didn’t even KNOW you could use a term THAT loosely!)

    In the immortal words of Pogo, the opossum (oops, I dated myself!)
    “We have met the enemy, and he is us!”

  • Aaron Gardner

    Even though we gave the doubters plenty of warning.

    • snowshooze

      David Camp, tax committee ( Deficeit super committee) has already sold us out, not ruling out taxes.
      Article at Weasel Zippers

  • carolina

    I don’t see this committee getting anything agreed to at all. Maybe these folks will rise above their rhetoric. I guess miracles can happen.

    • snowshooze

      Trigger sure to be hit. We will be held between the devil and the deep blue sea. Raise taxes, or hit the trigger. Either way, they win, we lose.

      • acat

        The correct GOP response, the one that would have called Obama’s bluff, preserved our AAA credit rating, and still allowed a raise in the debt ceiling was:

        Hold the line on Cut, Cap, and Balance.

        Mew

  • doncorleone

    Since both sides have neither the will, fortititude (testicular,intestinal) to put the country on a fiscal path that’s right there in the rulebook, our Constitution, they’ve decided punt the football to the “braintrust 2″. They’ve blurred that document to the point that it reminds me of the “star trek” episode where after a world war fought by the “yangs & comms”, the tribal leader is reading from the “yangs’” sacred document, which is our Constitution. Kirk had to tell him what it really said, (one of the last lucid statements that’s come out of shatner), because, the meaning was so distorted, that it distorted the prenunciation.