Spending now, ‘paying for’ over 10 years (backloaded of course in years 8-10).

So any type of cuts + tax increases would be spread over time. Tax increases might come immediately, certainly cuts would be spread out so they never actually happen.

The payroll tax cut is a bad idea. We can’t keep squeezing Social Security. It’s getting killed enough as is.

Here’s what I don’t understand. Why doesn’t the president go forward with a Tax Reform plan on his terms?

This is similar to how Republicans failed to pass any kind of sweeping health care reform (using conservative principles) and thus left a vacuum for a Democratic plan on THEIR TERMS.

The same logic applies here. We know there is bi-partisan agreement to lower rates across the board and eliminate loopholes. If the president came out in front for this it could happen. This would be a big bi-partisan job-creating type accomplishment. It’s politically popular. Why the H it isn’t getting done is beyond me. And it would satisfy the need for tax reform and be done on Democratic terms. I can promise that when tax reform actually does happen under Republican control here pretty soon that it will be much worse for Democrats in the sense that those evil Corporations (btw don’t Corporations employ people?) will get better tax rates and there will be worse cuts to capital gains that there would be now.

When a political party has a window to accomplish anything with ‘reform’ added to the end of it, they should take the opportunity, lest their opponents do it for them.

Citizens/voters/taxpayers are smarter then obama, reid, pelosi, schumer, kerry, murray, wasserman and teddy kennedy think they are. Teddy Kennedy is turning over in his grave for all of obamas’ FAILURES. Yes Teddy and you thought he was so bright but obama turned out to be just another democrat dim mirage.

in any democat proposal.
First, look at the name of the proposal; “American Jobs Act”
So that probabably means that the proposal probably does the exact opposite, or something completely different than what the name implies.
In this case, the Bill really should be named;
“The Double-dip Recession Avoidance Act”
The TRUE agenda; Spend whatever amount necessary to avoid a double-dip recession, while making the package SOUND like it will create jobs in an attempt to increase 0bamas chances of getting re-elected.
AGAIN, its all about the election. Most of the money spent on this stuff is wasted money and will not promote long-term job growth.
Republicans in office MUST prohibit the creation of this infrastructure bank (liberal slush fund), again lets call it by it’s true name.

Strangely, ever since Obama’s speech, I have the desire to “pass” something……just couldn’t help my self here ,it is so pathetic.

Nationalized transportation, schools, homes, healthcare, banking and businesses, you should pass this jobs plan right away. Nationalized fairness and security and you should pass this jobs plan right away. Only taxing millionaires and billionaires isn’t political grandstanding and isn’t class warfare, and you should pass this jobs plan right away. This is simple math and you should pass this jobs plan right away.

The sum total seems to be pointing toward the Communist Manifesto, did I add this up properly? Lastly, you should pass this jobs plan right away.

The house should pass the tax cuts separately then let the Senate pass a bill that zeros out the giveaways.

Nevermind the lack of funding for the package (which is itself a rather salient point): how does this package, in any way whatsoever, actually create jobs?

Cutting the payroll tax doesn’t create jobs.
Extending unemployment benefits doesn’t create jobs.
Giving money to teachers’ unions doesn’t create jobs.

Refurbishing schools and vacant properties, and more infrastructure spending creates temporary, make-work jobs at best – and even then, only for one (heavily unionized) industry.

In short: nothing in this package has anything whatsoever to do with improving the economic climate in the country through reducing the over-burdening regulations, or to do with incentivizing companies to expand their labor force.

It’s simply more crony-capitalism spending.

The House should pass the infrastructure bank tomorrow, but add a complete repeal of Davis Bacon to it. Make the Senate vote against it.

You dont create permanent jobs with a temporary tax cut.

If you really want to create jobs and if a payroll tax cut is the way to do it, Make it permanent.

but then you’d have the solvency of social security to deal with. …

This is all about putting the economy on a sugar-high next year and paying the piper down the road.

Despite the horrible bill, I am still for a bill that does EXACTLY what Obama wants, and then adds – Obamacare repeal, and a 18 month regulation moratorium.

Maybe he plans on payin’ for this with all the monies being paid back by banks and auto companies …. or even all the monies that didn’t seem to go anywhere, but is still part of the figure we Americans are in debted for ….

He can’t even figure out how to buy one.

Unless every penny of proposed new spending is offset by cuts (or new revenue) in the same fiscal year it is spent, Obama is just proposing to ignore the debt ceiling deal he made one month ago and spend as if his budget, which was rejected 97-0 by the Senate in February in a rare bipartisan gesture, had been passed anyway.

Other than that it is almost an exact repeat of the programs and promises made in 2009 for his first stimulus plan, which has been adjudged by economists not to have helped in measurable ways.

Obama finally figured out that there is a number lower than a trillion. For him, this is fiscal responsibility. Unfortunately, the people who still believe in him (shrinking every day, fortunately) don’t want to understand that this is another “Wimpy” argument that Obama gave last night (I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today). Can we just all agree that he is the Wimpy President?

There are several parts of this phony jobs plan ( cutting SSI revenue, which no one will alow) that appear to be in there to misdirect everyone’s attention away from the most dangerous parts, as in ANOTHER NATIONAL BANK. ( Democratic slush fund?)

That is the last thing we need, another Bank controlled by the tyrants of Congress and Obama.( or anyone else in government)

Beware of the misdirection folks. Watch the talking points of all the media “experts” today focus on the reduction in SSI revenue while not saying a peep about the tyrants making another bank to put YOUR money into. Just like we never got a real accounting of the $800 B dollar stimulus scam, we will never know what this bank is doing with our tax dollars once again.

Would anyone here at RedState put their money into a bank and then have that bank tell you that they do not give statements about how much money you have in there and where the money that was taken out went?

Also the AP apparently has gotten their hands on parts of thisp lan ahead of time, and one write stated that the end of the Bush tax cuts ( which is just a TAX INCREASE ( disguised by a GWB bashing name) is a part of the plan once again. When the once proud conservative Speaker Boehner talks about working with Obama and the Lunatic liberals , is this Bohner moving to the left of center and allowing tax increases during this recession?

That leads me to my last observation on this so-called jobs plan misdirection: The big theme is tax cuts for everyone, mainly payroll taxes. And it will all be paid for so says Obama. That bunch of dogs simply willl not hunt. The Tyrants will raise taxes, one way or another. Big government will get even bigger. Just watch. If Boehner goes along with this garbage I want his head on a pike in 2013.

Oh and now they will pass another CR to fund the government for the rest of this year. Again with no budget which results in zero accountability as to whare our tax dollars are going.100% Taxation without representation is what we now have.

The only way he can pay of rit is to borrow more money form China. Nothing he has proposed will necessarily create jobs. for example the infrastructure $50 Billion. at most that may create 75 – to 100 projects. Now he has to get EPA approvals to even start them and when if ever the EPA does give the go ahead a majority of the labor will be illegals that will get paid under the table and not pay taxes either. Money proposed for education is just another payoff to the NEA. This will produce nothing. Ninety percent of the things listed wont produce a single America job. Giving tax breaks to companies without specifying they are for hiring and utilizing American Citizen’s in America won’t do one thing for the economy or jobs. it’s the same for all of his proposals. they are merely a smoke screen to keep the Republicans busy until the 2012 elections.

If the Reps don’t pass everything he “proposed” (again), they will subsequently be blamed for whatever continues to be wrong with the economy. Of course, if by some miracle things improve, the man will take all of the credit!! You can’t win, except at the election in NOV 2012…let’s hope he’s packing up by then!!