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Pass A Payroll Tax Cut Extension…and Only a Payroll Tax Cut Extension

“We need to stop forcing Republicans to face the grim choice between blocking a tax cut and fighting against more entitlement and deficit spending.”

There are two inexorable political realities at this point: the payroll tax cut must be extended and those who block it will incur a needless political reprisal.  To that end, Republicans must outflank the Democrats on the payroll tax cut, while dealing with the entitlement extensions in another bill.

As conservatives, we all agree that a short-term payroll tax holiday – without Social Security reform – is inane policy, both in the realm of economic growth and entitlement reform.  We should have either categorically opposed a Keynesian stimulus holiday by calling out the Democrats for their hypocrisy on Social Security, or we should have outflanked the Democrats and called for a permanent diversion of the payroll tax to private retirement accounts.  Unfortunately, the ship already sailed on that a long time ago.  As the Wall Street Journal noted,” if Republicans didn’t want to extend the payroll tax cut on the merits, then they should have put together a strategy and the arguments for defeating it and explained why.”

Republican leaders already agreed to another “holiday,” albeit with the condition that it be paid for.  With less than two weeks to go before its expiration and with a universal expectation that it will be extended, Republicans must pass a clean extension of the payroll tax cut.  Anything less would enable the Democrats to get to the right of Republicans on tax cutting.

Last week, Republicans secured superior leverage by becoming the first body to actually pass an extension, while the Senate was unable to pass its own bill.  However, Mitch McConnell launched a broadside on his party by agreeing to a lousy two month extension – one that is totally unworkable in the real world.  Nevertheless, its 89-10 margin of support gave Democrats all the leverage they needed.  Now House Republicans are begging Democrats to join them in a conference agreement to iron out the discrepancies between the two bodies.  But this is only playing into the narrative that Republicans are the ones who are obstructing the “only” plan to extend the tax cut.  House leaders are justified in their outrage towards the Senate, but we need to focus on current strategy.  [We can talk about canning McConnell another time.]  Their current strategy of asking for a conference will get them nowhere and will only hurt them.

This is why, for the last time, I call on House Republicans to pass a clean 12-month extension without any strings attached; no riders, reforms, offsets, and extraneous extensions attached.  That will totally put the ball back in the Democrats’ court, forcing them to support or reject the only workable extension plan.  What about the offsets and Keystone pipeline provision?

Here’s the kicker:

If Republicans pass a clean payroll tax cut extension, and only a payroll tax cut extension, Democrats will still need them to pass the rest of the package, which contains the spending that is most undesirable to conservatives.  Republicans should insert their riders (including the pipeline), reforms, and spending offsets into the separate UI extension bill.  Democrats would be forced to acquiesce to the reforms if they desire their UI extension.  Republicans would be able to fight bad components of the package – 99 weeks of UI and no consequential spending offsets – without worrying about blocking a tax cut.  That should be handled in a separate bill.  If Democrats block that bill, they will be held accountable.

At present, this is the best option to salvage some of the good provisions, preclude long-term UI benefits from becoming permanent, and prevent Republicans from being blamed for a tax increase.  Begging for a conference with Senate Democrats will only put us on defense.  Besides, we will never get those spending offsets through conference as long as we are negotiating from a weak position.  Eric Cantor is already saying that the duration of the tax cut is “the only issue on which we differ with the Senate.”  Well, that in itself is already a capitulation on the numerous other discrepancies such as UI reforms, duration of benefits, and a freeze on hiring in the federal workforce.

Moreover, even the GOP House bill only offsets the spending over the course of ten years.  Thus, we have nothing to lose from passing a clean extension, while making Democrats beg for the rest of the extenders package – the part that is not nearly as politically volatile.  Keep in mind that the unemployed will still receive benefits commensurate to what was paid into the system for them.  It’s only the ridiculous, unprecedented 99-week handout that would be terminated.  What are we going to gain from the current strategy?

We need to stop forcing Republicans to face the grim choice between blocking a tax cut and fighting against more entitlement and deficit spending.  If you look at the roll call for the ridiculous Senate package, you’ll see that even some good senators, such as Mike Lee and Marco Rubio, voted for it.  The bottom line is that they felt this was the last opportunity to prevent a tax increase before the end of the session.  As such, they were forced to vote for extension of 99 weeks of UI, phantom offsets, and a new class warfare-induced Social Security Taxable Wage limit that will turn payroll preparation into a nightmare.  For this failure of leadership, McConnell should resign his post.

Now Senator Corker is erroneously using the arguments put forth in the WSJ op-ed to conclude that the House pass the Senate’s embarrassing bill.  But that bill is untenable.  Instead, they should outflank them by passing a clean extension for at least another year, while extracting the spending offsets from Democrats in the separate UI extension bill.

Why are we stuffing in extraneous entitlement spending into a tax cut bill anyway?  It is terrible policy and divisive politics for the GOP conference.  There is no other option left.

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  • Spartan4Life

    I don’t think Reid is going to put his team back on the field for anything at this point. Totally screwed up by McConnell and Boehner. McConnell gave away all the leverage and Boehner let them get out of town. Once again, the GOP snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. Ugh.

    • http://redmeatconservative.blogspot.com/ Daniel Horowitz

      You’re right about McConnell screwing up. We should have done this a while ago.

      But here is the thing. If Republicans pass a clean 12 month extension with no strings attached, it will totally change the narrative. They would have the better proposal, and Reid would have to defend a plan that was deemed unworkable in the face of a clean extension – what Obama has been asking for all along. I’m saying we call their bluff and give it to them. The big “but” is that we won’t stick in the other goodies for them, and force them to negotiate for it in a separate bill that would not endanger a tax cut.

      • Spartan4Life

        The President and the Dems are only about making our side look bad at this point. I think the President knows that his second term, if he weasels his way into one, will be an exercise in futility if the Dems don’t keep the Senate and maybe on a longshot win back the House. So, between now and election day he is going to scorch the Earth to try and take down the entire Republican Party. He truly doesn’t care if the Country gets hurt as a result.

        Strictly politics at this point.

      • Spartan4Life

        The President and the Dems are only about making our side look bad at this point. I think the President knows that his second term, if he weasels his way into one, will be an exercise in futility if the Dems don’t keep the Senate and maybe on a longshot win back the House. So, between now and election day he is going to scorch the Earth to try and take down the entire Republican Party. He truly doesn’t care if the Country gets hurt as a result.

        Strictly politics at this point.

        • origami

          This wasn’t a trap set by the President or the Democrats. This was blatant incompetence. It’s not like Obama drugged McConnell and then tricked Boehner into thinking there are an extra 10 congressional business days in December. Like it or not, WE handed the Democrats a Christmas gift and then promptly tied our own shoes together.

          The Democrats are clever, but they’re not THAT clever.

    • Kyle-MI

      The Dems hold the leverage now. Any arguments about getting a better deal are delusional. We had them on the ropes and then we punched ourselves in the face with both fists. Now it is just damage control time no matter how much a few strategists on our side wish it were not.

      Perfect is the enemy of good. We had very good but threw it away for the unattainable perfect, and now we have neither.

  • earlgrey

    When Reid screwed up on the FDA bill the Rs in the Senate bailed him out and let him pass it.

    Now, Reid has screwed Boehner and again McConnell is taking his side over Boehner’s. Establishment Republicans (yes Virginia, they do exist) need to get out of the way.

    • tyman

      nt

    • Change Jar Conservative

      We need Cruz et. al in the Senate.

      Then we can have DeMint lead.

      • earlgrey

        The NRSC has given up on me.

        I give to SCF, and directly to Cruz and recently to Mourdock to get rid of Lugar. I would be thrilled to get Alexander out as well.

        I am really hoping I get a call from Scott Brown’s campaign.

        • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

          Any word on if anyone will challenge Alexander?

          Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

          • earlgrey

            election I think it is 2014. Corker is up in 2012, and there isn’t anyone that I have heard of running. Most people I have spoken to say that Alexander and Corker have the state R’s “locked up”. I don’t know. There are some pretty active Tea Partiers in the state though. I am not sure who is worse Alexander or Lugar. I am inclined to go with Alexander. I believe he has contempt for the tea party.

            Believe it or not your reply has been the best part of my newsday today. I am so despondent over how things are blowing up everywhere with the GOP. Given how the media has been able to paint tea party and GOP with this payroll tax thing, my hopes for 2012 are dashed.

            I have also been active locally and spoke at a couple of county meetings against an ordinance (unfortunately I ended up getting quoted in the local paper– I don’t want my co-workers to bug me). Sure enough somebody came by my office. It was interesting because he gave me more information about what was going on. He was generally supportive, but still the whole thing is embarassing.

            The worst part on the whole thing. The county “conservatives” that represent me were against the bill on first reading and than voted for it on second reading. Is the purpose of conservatives merely to make bad liberal legislation go down a little easier, kind of like putting bubble gum flavor in cough syrup?

            I’d really like for Mourdock to boot Lugar. It is a little more personal for me because I am from IN and all growing up my parents spoke so highly of Lugar. There was even a running race that was founded by Lugar before running was cool. After years of passively voting Republican without paying attention to what the Rs were doing, I want to see him go.

            I also voted McConnell when I lived in KY but that was >10 years ago.

          • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

            It’s easy to have those Eyeore moments considering how hard some of us fight on the ground just to watch our elected officials fail so miserably, as is pointed out in this diary. Alexander is such a disappointment because I still lived in TN when he was governor and thought he was good. I had such high hopes for him.

            The media’s comments are expected, and while I don’t like it, I do think they have less of an impact because there are so many other sources of info these days. As for comments about the tea party from those not in media just because some support this candidate and not that one, I usually ignore them. Blaming voters you should be bringing on board is not a winning strategy. It’s not exactly as if those previously elected by the GOP were doing such a bang up job. Not to mention that the same tea party folks being blamed for not supporting candidate X over Y are indeed the same ones who handed Rubio, Lee, Walsh, etc. to the GOP. Villians on one hand, yet heroes on the other. Just doesn’t make sense, does it? Oh, well. Like Cold Warrior urges, I’m trying to do my part to change things from the bottom up, coupled with local tea party efforts.

            I’m a Murdock supporter as well. He was so personable at the Redstate Gathering. Worked the crowd, listened to comments, answered questions, and generally behaved like any other attendee (e.g., stood in line for meals just like the rest of us). LOL! I have relatives that live in the Muncie area. Spent a week or two almost every summer there when I was grow up, so I have some pretty fond memories tied to IN.

  • icesweeper

    Why do y’all bother worrying about the narrative, or having the upper hand in the PR game? The MSM is going to blame the Republicans regardless. Look at current polling data. The House Republicans have passed 100′s of job creating bills and reforms this year, and yet, their approval rating is less than BHO, by far. The MSM doesn’t have the brains or decency to differentiate between the Dem led Senate and Rep led House when communicating policies, so they get painted with the “no budget necessary Senate” brush.

    Pass good policy, do what you were sent to do, and get back home and let your electorate know the score. Giving away your goals because you want to be seen as playing nice is a sure path to failure. I would think GWB’s compromises would have taught us something.

    • http://redmeatconservative.blogspot.com/ Daniel Horowitz

      for the most part, that is exactly what I am suggesting. Separate out bad policy of 99-week UI benefits from the tax cut. That is good policy.

      You might think that the entire premise behind the payroll tax cut extension is also bad policy. That might be true, but it’s too late. GOP leaders agreed to that a long time ago. This is the next best option.

    • Common_Cents

      GOP could find a cure for cancer and the MSM would spin it as evil.

      It’s time for the stupid party to once and for all, launch some initiative of dealing and neutralizing the hostile media. There is little or no message coordination discipline. We take on the media as lone soldiers instead of a coordinated group w/ tight repetitive messaging. DEMS are much better at this.

      Just think if the media was half way neutral and presented both sides? How much better this country would be? It’s time the GOP leadership has a conversation and start putting a plan together.

      The passive aggressive media will fold quickly when challenged face to face. Look at how Christie, Trump, Giuliani, Gingrich challenge reporters. We need to teach this skill to all of our representatives.

  • adamcarralejo

    I love this idea, but haven’t most representative already left for vacation?

    • APA Guy

      Dems are squawking about working-class families having their taxes raised. Passing ONLY an extension of the payroll tax then says to the country “OK…we agreed to keep working-class taxes low…it’s your move…”

      The Dems would basically have no refuge and their little tantrum over the walkout would look as staged as it really was. They could either take a massive hit for failing to come back and pass the extension or come pack and pass the extension. Either way, House Republicans saved the day for taxpayers…it’s a win-win.

  • jkines

    short term and paltry tax relief such as this why not counter by passing the Bowles-Simpson plan, thereby forcing the democrats to go on record in opposition to substantial income, corporate, and capital gains tax reform? This plan would lower rates, close loopholes, raise revenue and was proposed by President Obama’s own bipartisan commission. Such would put President Obama in the position of defending the indefensible, and the optics would be far better for the GOP than what we have currently.

  • AceInTX

    Will you commit to voting for any challenger to Mitch McConnell as leader of the Republican Caucus as either Senate Majority or Senate Minority Leader?

    I’m sick to death of watching his incompetence.

    The man is constantly making concessions to Harry Ried before the first round of negotiations are even begun and caving on issues in negotiating.

    McConnell is a feckless coward and buffoon and needs to be removed NOW.

    If there is any Republican running to join the Senate in the class of 2012 who will not commit to stripping Mitch McConnell of his position in leadership and from any post involving day to day planning, negotiation and tactical decision making in the Republican Caucus…they are not worthy of consideration to be elected to the United States Senate

    • uselogic

      If it doesn’t have Mitch McConnell as its first entry, someone ought to rectify that. Right now, I’d place Boehner as the second.

  • heraklios

    and we should appluad and support the conservatives in the House for opposing it. Yet again, the only justification that can be offered in support of this policy is some political calculation. Why can’t we simply evaluate policy and act based on the merits of a policy instead of playing the usual D.C. political games? I think the American people are smarter than you give them credit for being and will see through the gamemanship on this issue. Most Americans want political leaders who are sincere and real, and who will stand by their principles, whatever their beliefs may be. Unfortunately, this brand of public servant is in extremely short supply these days.

    • http://redmeatconservative.blogspot.com/ Daniel Horowitz

      I agree and have written prolifically about that. But it’s too late bec. R leaders committed to extending it. This is the next best option, which would avoid a two-month payroll processing fiasco and also give us more leverage on UI.

      • heraklios

        The Republicans have offered a one year deal to extend the payroll tax holiday and some level of UI benefits. I would argue they have done everything they committed to do by supporting this. Moreover, if extending the tax holiday and UI benefits is bad policy (which it is), I would hope Republicans have retained the flexability to reconsider and go in a different direction. I would rather see deficit reduction and work toward a comprehensive tax policy overhaul rather than this type of piecemeal action.

      • heraklios

        The Republicans have offered a one year deal to extend the payroll tax holiday and some level of UI benefits. I would argue they have done everything they committed to do by supporting this. Moreover, if extending the tax holiday and UI benefits is bad policy (which it is), I would hope Republicans have retained the flexability to reconsider and go in a different direction. I would rather see deficit reduction and work toward a comprehensive tax policy overhaul rather than this type of piecemeal action.

        • http://redmeatconservative.blogspot.com/ Daniel Horowitz

          The only thing is that they will not and have not done that. As it stands now, they will capitulate on both. It’s better to decouple the payroll tax cut so we can at least have a fighting chance of blocking the rest of the package.

    • renny

      and depriving it of payment into the “funds” is not a good idea. o likes it only because he needs every opportunity to attack the US middle class, and that’s most of the retirees of this nation.

  • heraklios

    and we should appluad and support the conservatives in the House for opposing it. Yet again, the only justification that can be offered in support of this policy is some political calculation. Why can’t we simply evaluate policy and act based on the merits of a policy instead of playing the usual D.C. political games? I think the American people are smarter than you give them credit for being and will see through the gamemanship on this issue. Most Americans want political leaders who are sincere and real, and who will stand by their principles, whatever their beliefs may be. Unfortunately, this brand of public servant is in extremely short supply these days.

    • sadams

      are all that smart. Look who they elected President last cycle.

      • jakeofalltrades

        (Rough numbers assuming SD = 15)

        IQ >= 130: 1%
        IQ >= 115: 16%
        IQ >= 100: 50%
        85 <= IQ <= 115: 68%
        IQ <= 100: 50%
        IQ <= 85: 16%
        IQ <= 70: 1%

        100 isn't that high… your typical politician is around 115-120, which isn't too intelligent either IMO.

  • sadams

    Boehner is going to cave. There is very little political upside to taking a hard line at this point, even if it were possible (which I seriously doubt) to pass a clean extension, which in any event would provide pretty feeble cover come November. Daniel, do you really think the “I killed your tax cut because I wanted a longer one” defense would work? The MSM will have a field day with that. If Boehner caves, there’s no story here until the next round. By the way, I’m just talking tactics here, not policy.

    • http://redmeatconservative.blogspot.com/ Daniel Horowitz

      not talking about a larger tax cut; we’re talking about the simple 12-month extension that everyone agreed upon all along. This, in conjunction with the fact that the two-month extension adds an untenable wage limit, would definitely help us.

      • sadams

        we’ll never know because I don’t think your idea is going to be implemented. One thing we both agree on is that the Republican leadership has completely botched this. The only explanationI can think of is that they never dreamed they were at risk of being outflanked by Democrats on tax cuts. I think Boehner will cave and seek Dem votes to get the temporary extension passed. Not sure what that means for his tenure as speaker, though.

      • sadams

        we’ll never know because I don’t think your idea is going to be implemented. One thing we both agree on is that the Republican leadership has completely botched this. The only explanationI can think of is that they never dreamed they were at risk of being outflanked by Democrats on tax cuts. I think Boehner will cave and seek Dem votes to get the temporary extension passed. Not sure what that means for his tenure as speaker, though.

    • heraklios

      We hammered the Democrats in 2010 because the elderly perceived Obamacare as an attack on Medicare. Why not use the same strategy to lock up more of the senior vote in 2012? And, once again, Republicans would be much better off making decisions based on the merits of policy rather than playing political games.

      • jakeofalltrades

        Courage, manliness, strength of convictions – pretty much any of the virtues would suffice, but the Republican leadership in Congress has none of these.

    • heraklios

      We hammered the Democrats in 2010 because the elderly perceived Obamacare as an attack on Medicare. Why not use the same strategy to lock up more of the senior vote in 2012? And, once again, Republicans would be much better off making decisions based on the merits of policy rather than playing political games.

      • http://redmeatconservative.blogspot.com/ Daniel Horowitz

        I’ve advocated that here here and here

        The problem is that it needed to be articulated a long time ago. Leadership already telegraphed that they agree to the premise. I’m just trying to offer the next best option.

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  • Common_Cents

    60 days? They should be laughed out of town. This is totally absurd while the media provides cover.

    Gingrich, once again, provides leadership and isn’t afraid to speak up.

    No wonder the DC elites don’t like Newt, he’s gonna ruffle some feathers.

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/21/gingrich-condemns-the-senate-for-collapse-of-payroll-tax-cut-extension/

    ?They can?t figure out how to pass a one-year extension, so the Senate leaves town?? Mr. Gingrich said Wednesday morning. ?It is an absurd dereliction of duty, and it?s game playing.?

    He pointedly did not criticize Mr. Boehner for rejecting the Senate compromise and indicated Republicans would not be punished by voters.

    But Mr. Gingrich conceded that the spectacle on Capitol Hill did not look good.

    ?I think this is an example of why people are sick of Washington and sick of politics,? Mr. Gingrich said, noting that it was another example of why a change in leadership is needed in the next election.

    He added, ?Obama is so inept as a president, and the Congress is so dysfunctional as an institution, that we are lurching from failure to failure to failure in a way that I think the American people find very, very disheartening to think that their leadership cannot get together and be mature.?

  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    The payroll tax not getting extended by the House will be a gift to Obama and he would be smart (and likely is behind the scenes) to make sure that the only deal is the Senate one (which is why again Dan is right and the House needs a stand alone soon). If there is no extension Obama gets:
    1) to blame us for raising taxes on the middle class
    2) an excuse if the economy sluffs off early in 2012
    3) yet another 1% vs 99% when the Bush tax cut extension argument comes up during the campaign
    4) a better deficit picture

    We teed this up nicely for him and the only out is the suggested stand alone. If this goes into January any deal may be off (ie I don’t see a cut happening in February).

  • trickamsterdam

    led by a man who gives Pres Obama 2 trillion dollars and then says he got “98% of what he wanted”. Thank God he didn’t only get 95% of what he wanted…imagine how bad it would have been w/out that last 3%..

    He has no vision, and no understanding of strategy…

    At least w/ Newt we’ll get vision and w/ Romney we’ll get strategy. If we take over the Senate, McConnell also understands strategy. People may not always like what he’s doing, but at least he’ll never embarrass himself like this…

    But Boehner cannot be the leader of a Party. He just isn’t good enough. He really should lose his Speakership after Jan 2012, but if he’s the junior partner to a Republican President and/or Senate Majority leader, at least he’ll have been successfully neutered…

  • Kyle-MI

    There are tons more important issues on which to sacrifice our political clout, not that they have done so in the past. Now we pick an unpopular piddling little issue on which to oppose the Dems?

    This whole thing has been botched beyond repair. The voting public doesn’t care, and to the extent that they do they side with the Dems. Our side looks incompetent, stupid, and mean.

    It is time to just move on, pass whatever can get through, and prepare for the next battle.

    • Bill S

      This is utterly unproductive.

      • michelleariaza

        Nice article, although I don’t agree with everything they say in it.
        http://www.sud-alpes.com/forum/profile.php?id=233017

  • boonerdan

    It is a CUT in Social Security funding. If the GOP would wake up and call it what it is,the senior citizens of this country would wake up (again), and start whining to Congress not to touch their precious “lock box”.

    The GOP Leadership is either inept or complicit. Either choice points to ruin.

    • popdaddy

      I?d be proud of all in Congress who just bury this thing this year, we?re talking an average of $13.00 a week before tax that no one notices.
      The GOP has to stop calling this subject a ?payroll tax?, that?s socialist democrat speak.
      Since the majority of the citizens have no clue what FICA means, just always refer to it as ?THE Social Security tax, contribution, even refer to the SS ?Trust Fund? but ensure all references include the words ?Social Security?
      Then wrap it up in Congressional fish wrap as an untouchable rail and propose a 2% reduction in FIT for those who actually pay Federal income taxes!

  • Samsara

    ]Boehner will call the House back between Christmas and New Year…play up the fact that he and the Republican leadership fought the good fight, but they can?t allow the American people to suffer, and then with Democratic votes pass the Senate bill.

    • clintonformccain

      I share Daniel’s scorn for this whole charade. Paying for a two month tax holiday with ten years of increased Fannie Mae fees that should be going to reduce the massive bailouts of Fannie Mae. Nevertheless, the Senate bill was being hailed as a massive capitulation by Obama — who gave up everything to get it (Keystone and no tax on millionaires). Yeah, it was all kabuki theater, but all things being equal, I’d rather see Obama get pounded than the Republicans.

      Now, no matter what happens, the Republican House looks like the big loser. It’s very frustrating when they could have just gone home and been widely viewed as having beaten Obama again. It’s a lot like when “they showed ‘em” by nominating Christine O’Donnell in Delaware and threw away a Senate seat.

  • Samsara

    ]Boehner will call the House back between Christmas and New Year…play up the fact that he and the Republican leadership fought the good fight, but they can?t allow the American people to suffer, and then with Democratic votes pass the Senate bill.

  • carolina

    I don’t think the House is going to back down, because they are right on the principle. For over 200 years when the House passed Bill is different than the Senate passed Bill – a Conference Committee is selected and the differences are compromised/negotiated in Conference. (or they fail and both have to start over) The fact that Reid had the GALL to walk away without providing for a Conference Committee is frankly amazing to me. Reid is likely counting on public ignorance about how our Congress actually works. Unfortunately most of the public is ignorant of this process.
    I think the House GOP is totally right. This blatant arrogant behavior by Reid and BO is beyond the pale. I think it is the final straw. I support Boehner & the House GOP. I don’t fault the Senate GOP. I can’t imagine that they ever expected Reid to refuse to go to Conference.

    • dajeeps

      The House bill had 1 year of tax holiday in it. The Senate removed 10 months (took it away), dumped it back in Boehner’s lap and took off. And that is where we are now – the House wants to put the full year back, but Scary Reid won’t hear of it.

  • carolina

    I don’t think the House is going to back down, because they are right on the principle. For over 200 years when the House passed Bill is different than the Senate passed Bill – a Conference Committee is selected and the differences are compromised/negotiated in Conference. (or they fail and both have to start over) The fact that Reid had the GALL to walk away without providing for a Conference Committee is frankly amazing to me. Reid is likely counting on public ignorance about how our Congress actually works. Unfortunately most of the public is ignorant of this process.
    I think the House GOP is totally right. This blatant arrogant behavior by Reid and BO is beyond the pale. I think it is the final straw. I support Boehner & the House GOP. I don’t fault the Senate GOP. I can’t imagine that they ever expected Reid to refuse to go to Conference.

  • Joe Cor

    Your plan is a good one but Boehner lacks the political imagination to do it. Once the tea party balked on the bill, I think he was completely flummoxed and essentially dead in the water. He isn’t a tactical thinker; he likes bills, committess, conferences, process, not a bold move to outflank his opponents. I suspect he might even think that outflanking Reid like this would be a violation of the “code” of collegiality he and other Republicans are slaves to. The House rank and file would need to press him very, very hard on this and force him into doing it. Plus, he seems to have gotten religion about the absolute necessity of spending cuts and gone hardline on it at exactly the wrong moment. His ostensive reason, at any rate, for rejecting a variation on your approach, the Murdock-Krauthammer plan, was because he wants spending cuts. But maybe that’s just a smokescreen for avoiding a tactic that doesn’t suit his termperament.

  • dajeeps

    I don’t agree with the basic premise of taxing payroll anyway, and I don’t think that temporary tax breaks that have a sunset of less than 5 years mean much. It was irrational to go down this road in the first place, but since we’re on it, it needs to be made part of a larger national conversation about reform of the programs that are funded by the payroll tax and how they should be funded.

    Since we’re not likely to get any kind of major reform with the congress we have, in an election year no less, just extend it and make it part of the campaign in 2012. SSI and Medicare are already underfunded by at least 46% and it’s not like its going to be making the problem much more than a drop in the bucket compared to the prolonged economic stagnation.

    And about UI:

    I’ve seen these posts here and there, and I completely understand the bitter pill it has become. I don’t like that it has been out there for so long, and I would wholeheartedly support privatization, but I think some of the complaints lack context of the kind of recession we are in.

    In a nut shell, the financial system meltdown consisted of the destruction of trillions in cash substitutes in the MBS and CDO market collapse which equals the mother of almost all nominal shocks, second only to all the gold hording by central banks in the Great Depression. The studies of UI could only have analyzed recessions in which the central bank was able to manage the size and proportion of the shock because we have not had a recession of this nature since UI was established. The Fed so far has only managed to keep the financial system from ending up a pile of rubble and still has a way to go to get the rest of macro looking like it should without having inflation getting out of control. There are really only three ways out of this: 1) make up for lost nominal GDP on the monetary side 2) reduce business costs with supply side reforms 3) some combination of both 1&2.

    If we do none of these, we can cut off UI and the U rate will go down, but we will not increase the level of employment and self-sufficiency in bulk because the macro economic problems are the problem. Lets see the forest through the trees, solve the macro problems and get growing again, and the issue of UI will take care of itself. Then we can get some badly need reform so we don’t have this big bitter pill to deal with if this kind of thing should happen again.

    For some perspective on what happens to people in dramatic and unmitigated nominal shocks (and the government does all the wrong things) without UI, there are two documentaries on Netflix, also available on amazon.com and at many libraries, that chronicle life in the 1930s. They are “The Panic is On” and “Project XX: Life in the 30′s.”

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    Last I checked it is the duty of the HOUSE to originate Budget, Spending, Tax, Legislation and for the Senate to originate Treaties. Last I checked, THIS IS NOT A TREATY…. Boehner’s “The Conference Committee” is the correct ORDER OF BUSINESS and argument, but as usual they never take the comments/teaching far enough…

    from Payroll Tax cut deal update:

    Payroll tax update: DO NOTHING Senate Democrats refuse to do job YET AGAIN…

    Senate Democrats; just as they refused to follow Constitutional, Legal, Rules, etc, ORDER and pass a Budget for more than 900+ days; refuse to attend Conference/Reconciliation for the Payroll Tax cuts order of business. The Democrats, which control the Senate and therefore the committees, have walked out of DC (just as they ran from WI to stop Governmental business) in an abject refusal to complete their duties as outlined by Congressional Regular Orders/Business.

    Call your Senators office and demand they DO THEIR JOBS so your Job isn’t affected; by this Tax uncertainty; and the economy takes another hit. DO NOTHING SENATE DEMOCRATS must be held accountable for their blatant ignoring of the Constitution, Laws, Rules, etc….

    see: Payroll Tax cut deal (with Keystone XL pipeline) set for more.
    see related: Do nothing Senate still fails to pass Budget, so it?s Continuing Resolution time again!

    They should have NEVER allowed themselves into this in the first place by rejecting the Payroll Tax cut in the name of protecting Social Security. They allowed themselves to be snookered into this whole game last year when this trap was set by Demoncrats – Senate Republicans are as dumb as Rocks. This has the smell of a “Senator Aricept” (John McCain-iac) BiPartisanship disease deal all over it (as I’ve said in my original “deal set” piece.

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    Last I checked it is the duty of the HOUSE to originate Budget, Spending, Tax, Legislation and for the Senate to originate Treaties. Last I checked, THIS IS NOT A TREATY…. Boehner’s “The Conference Committee” is the correct ORDER OF BUSINESS and argument, but as usual they never take the comments/teaching far enough…

    from Payroll Tax cut deal update:

    Payroll tax update: DO NOTHING Senate Democrats refuse to do job YET AGAIN…

    Senate Democrats; just as they refused to follow Constitutional, Legal, Rules, etc, ORDER and pass a Budget for more than 900+ days; refuse to attend Conference/Reconciliation for the Payroll Tax cuts order of business. The Democrats, which control the Senate and therefore the committees, have walked out of DC (just as they ran from WI to stop Governmental business) in an abject refusal to complete their duties as outlined by Congressional Regular Orders/Business.

    Call your Senators office and demand they DO THEIR JOBS so your Job isn’t affected; by this Tax uncertainty; and the economy takes another hit. DO NOTHING SENATE DEMOCRATS must be held accountable for their blatant ignoring of the Constitution, Laws, Rules, etc….

    see: Payroll Tax cut deal (with Keystone XL pipeline) set for more.
    see related: Do nothing Senate still fails to pass Budget, so it?s Continuing Resolution time again!

    They should have NEVER allowed themselves into this in the first place by rejecting the Payroll Tax cut in the name of protecting Social Security. They allowed themselves to be snookered into this whole game last year when this trap was set by Demoncrats – Senate Republicans are as dumb as Rocks. This has the smell of a “Senator Aricept” (John McCain-iac) BiPartisanship disease deal all over it (as I’ve said in my original “deal set” piece.

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    I just called Mitch McConnell’s office (202-224-2541, plus followed up with online contact post to him) to THANK HIM for the SELL-OUT… I told them- “normally we have to wait until Conference/Reconciliation before they sell us out – THANKS for siding with Harry Reid and selling us out right up front… I’m sure it saved them a lot of time, and was much more efficient, so they could evacuate the Senate and go home for Vaction – running, like the WI Democrats did, from their duties!”