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Breaking the GOP Cycle of Capitulation

As we forge ahead to the new legislative session, it is important that we internalize the lessons of the dismal failures from last session.

Most of the dominant and sundry legislative battles last year can be explicated by the inane cycle of Republican capitulation.  It goes something like this:

Democrats propose some odious and profligate legislative idea or budget bill.  Conservatives advocate that we uproot the entire premise of the destructive legislation by drawing a line in the sand on the principles that got us elected.  Republican leaders eschew conservative principles and acquiesce to the premise that the Democrat legislation or budget is a priority too big to fail.  They telegraph the message to Democrats that they will never let the budget bill or stimulus proposal fail, but promise to make them pay for it with reforms or other spending offsets.

Inevitably, Democrats unite against the GOP leadership proposal, and we are left with the GOP caving on the spending without the offsets.  Then they unequivocally swear to stick it to the Democrats during the next budget battle by finally utilizing their leverage.  Repeat and rinse and needed.  As the saying goes, the rest is history.

The overarching lesson is that once you emphatically communicate to Democrats that you will ultimately pass their legislation or you will never take the budget fight or the debt fight to the brink, you have already lost the battle.  You can garrulously demand concessions and spending offsets until you are blue in the face, but Democrats will wait you out until the deadline.  Once you give away your leverage, there is nothing left to fight for.

It was through this fatuous cycle of insanity that we gave up our biggest trump card; the ability to block debt increases.  Obama will get a lifeline of $1.2 trillion until after the elections, yet there is nothing we can do about it.

While only 66 House Republicans voted against the Budget Out-of-Control Act, there are signs that many others are beginning to catch onto the cycle of capitulation.  It was evident during the year-end fight over the payroll tax cut and unemployment insurance extension.  Members who intuitively desired to do the right thing, yet were intimidated by the acerbic coercive tactics of leadership, are now willing to stand and fight this year.  They realize that after a full year of the “Tea Party Congress,” we have not cut one cent from discretionary budget authority, even as mandatory entitlement spending continues to grow unchecked.  They realize that we are not any closer to repealing Obamacare than we were in 2010.

This year, there will be numerous opportunities to fight statism; from blocking long-term unemployment and green energy tax credits to battles over surface transportation and the federal gasoline tax.  By far, the most consequential battle will be fought over the FY 2013 budget, which will commence during the middle of April.

It’s not enough to merely introduce a virtuous budget resolution in April.  If Republicans have no gumption to fight for some or most of the major provisions in the budget, all of Paul Ryan’s work will be worthless, as it turned out to be in 2011.  The Republican Conference must unite behind two or three transformational reforms – or even one reform – in the budget resolution, and fight to the bitter end.  Then, they must convey the message to Democrats that they will not budge, even as the clock ticks midnight on October 1.

Republicans must also refuse to negotiate with the Senate until Democrats pass a budget, along with every subsequent appropriations bill under regular order.  No more omnibus megabus bills – for real, this time.  Republicans must fight it out over every individual bill, exposing Democrats for their wasteful spending and harmful government regulations every step of the way.

The best New Year’s resolution for Republicans is to promise not to exemplify the definition of insanity.  It’s not too late to begin abiding by the Pledge to America, even if it is a year late.

The House is back in session this week, while the Senate returns next week.  Especially with the presidential election rapidly deteriorating, the legislative session is ‘game on’ for conservatives.

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  • josephusmyer

    … there are some battles you can’t win with only the House under GOP control. On these things, it is probably better to surrender quickly rather than having it drawn out in the press for weeks.

    The Payroll tax cut extension was one of these things: opposing a silly 2 month political stunt is the right thing to do morally, but it was obvious from the start it was going to hurt Republicans politically.

    We should choose our battles between now and November – that way, come January 20, 2013, we won’t have to choose because we’ll have the whole of Congress and 1600 Penn. Ave. Until then, if we are going to surrender, let’s do it quickly and quietly rather than after weeks of bad press.

    • sharp

      but, joseph, you represent a weakness that proves you are young and/or naive.

      Young and silly.

      • tnguy

        ….why is it that we expect our congressman to not capitulate, just because it’s the expedient thing to do, but then we, as republicans, are expected to do the same thing when we capitulate and vote for Romney/McCain/Bush/etc because they aren’t as “odious” as Obama????

        • http://redmeatconservative.blogspot.com/ Daniel Horowitz

          are. We’ve hit Romneycare much more than any other site. But the fact is that if he get the nomination, we need to fight even harder in congress for real leadership.

        • Rose

          Frederick Douglass: Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue till they have resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress.

          • edintexas

            And an extremely appropriate quote.

      • vaaztx

        Sharp, we need to stand FOR something, not AGAINST everything. If the public perceives the latter then we are going to get slaughtered in November and have control of no levers of government and the Democrats will have free reign in 2013.

        On the other hand, if we negotiate most things so that they are minimally destructive, but don’t harm us in the eyes of the American public, then make a stand on a few key issues that the public can get behind then we will win all three levers in the legislative process this November.

        Playing a long game is not weakness.

    • avagreen

      nt

    • Rose

      I don’t understand you. You seem to feel nothing is worth taking a stand for, and fighting for.

      I feel if we are bound to lose when we are RIGHT, then make it cost them all I can and hopefully make them pay more than they think it is worth. Especially if it is My Money and My Freedoms, and not their own.

      But a man ought to do what he thinks is right.

      If you would rather join them than fight, git on over thare and stay. And don’t come back, because you won’t be recognized as “Friend”, but as Foe.

      I for one intend to make sure when they come for me and mine, that it at least be a much remembered fight.

    • ihateliberals

      The 2011 budget for example. The Dems only wanted to cut 30 billion and the Republicans wanted to cut 100 billion. two months of brave Rhetoric and the government was close to a shutdown. John Boehner went behind closed doors and made a deal for 33 billion. he had no things between his legs. The dens might as well have had Pelosi stil there. Problem is now the dems know how to handle Boehner. just wit him out and put big pressure on him and he will cave. Look at the payroll tax extension. I wuld be willing to bet that he caves for the second time on this and gives the Dems what they want, a tax hike on the Wealthy. The Problem with Boehner is tht he is a RINO and 56% of the time has voted for Liberal causes not conservative. That is in his voting record from data supplied by the Heritage Foundation. That is the problem with all the RINO’s in congress.

      • donrsherwood

        The Republican leadership (McConnell and Boehner) are of the old school of Republican leadership – “go along to get along”! These two clowns are very comfortable currying favor with the liberal media and Democrats. Neither has a clue how to negotiate. They admit their fear of fighting, then enter the fight, then look like fools when they capitulate – as they always do!

        This is repeated so often that it clearly demonstraes their incompetence.

        Not only must we change the occupant in the White House, but we must change the leadership in Congress!

      • calivancouver

        That causing recessions by suddenly jerking around government spending does not elect more republicans

  • fpete13527

    Well said Dan.

    The Republican Leadership in the U.S. Congress has been far beyond disgraceful. Many Republicans in state legislature have unfortunately followed suit.

    At this point, it is time to measure Republicans simply by the degree they will say NO to any and everything the left wants …..to include “revenue neutral” taxes, and definitely to include debt ceiling increases.

    The second part of R’s judgement should be measured by the quantity and quality with which they can speak their case FOR Conservatives and against Marxists I.E. Democrats. Currently I would rate most R’s at minus 50 in this ability – on a scale of one to ten.

    Additionally R’s should be rated by the number of times that they are attacked by left wing publications and the number of times they keep going and laugh at the news publication publicly. In both categories, the HIGHER the number the better.

    The final rating for the R’s should then be awarded as follows:

    1. Complete empowerment for those who demonstrate the above and for those who demonstrate strategies such as the following:

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ed-meese-gop-candidates-should-embrace-reagan-s-4-part-magic-formula .

    2. The alternate award should be the Instantaneous and rigorous PRIMARY to all that dont demonstrate the above.

    A Primary should be given to those who support things like ANY debt ceiling raise, debt deals, SOPA, and non-repeal of Obamacare…again REGARDLESS of media ranting, Republicans at this point need to ONLY be looking to cut spending and to cut programs….that’s all.

    Those who remain silent or no labels “moderates” (I.E. – no principled progressive squishes) should also be primaried given that they have been been the greatest empowerment to the left. Excellent examples of no principled squish progressives are John McCain and Lisa Murkowski (both who have the highest acclaim from the current GOP Leadership.

    It’s real simple…empower the Conservative fighters and primary the progressive squishes.

    The Democrats, although worse than the devil himself in ideology, at least understand that they need to stand on their principles – pure desecration of the United States to build a Marxist state……and empower this goal through public service unions and their corresponding legislators.

    The Republicans seem to still be 100% clueless, cowardly, and progressive coddling.

    It’s time to give the Republicans a massive wake-up call that makes 2010 look pale.

    • drfredc

      If the goal is to redirect government stupidity as far as promoting the general welfare and marketplace goes, it’s not just a party problem — is a problem that is generic to the politicians, bureaucrats and public unions — defined benefits. If their retirement accounts were collectively evolved to be market based, like the typical private sector worker, it wouldn’t take long before these folks, regardless of party, redefined the goals of the nation to be focused on the general welfare, rather than THEIR OWN WELFARE.

  • tnguy

    In other words, we expect our congressmen to not bend over for the status quo, but republican voters should.

    No offense, but I do not get that rationale. I know many conservatives, especially on this site, hold that view and I do not mean to be insulting when I say that. But, we can’t expect them to do what we are not willing to do ourselves. Which is to draw a line in the sand, say no, and flat refuse to cross that line no matter what comes our way.

    We compromise conservative principles when we vote for someone who is clearly not a conservative, under the guise that it is better for the country than the alternative, which is exactly what our congressmen do when they vote for pared down versions of democrat legislation. And when we vote for Romney/McCain/Etc, we send them the message that it’s ok for them to bend the knee, because we’ve already done it ourselves…

    • jakeofalltrades

      We are perfectly represented by the GOP.

      • rdcjr

        the REALITY is that there is not an ounce of difference between the republicans and democrats. They are BOTH big government neoconservative war mongering statist. The ONLY difference is that democrats are political animals that doggedly pursue their agendas while republicans are fire breathing cowards that tuck their tails between their legs and run the very moment they are challenged. Until we elect people with character, integrity, AND A SPINE we are doomed and so is the country. Until we stop trying to pay for defending the entire world and pay only the defend ourselves as per The Constitution we will continue to go broke. While we do not need to be isolationist by any means we do need to quit trying to dictate how the world turns. We are still in countries we fought for and with in WWI &II for crying our loud. Over 900 bases in 130+ countries all paid for by me and you. Seriously??? As long as the worldwide military industrial complex exist and we believe we have been endowed by our creator to be the worlds policeman, we will NEVER be able to balance our budgets. Both sides are equally on board with this no matter the charade Obama is playing now by drawing down Iraq and Afghanistan simply to get re-elected. Believe me, next chance Obama gets he will go to war without congressional approval again. But ONLY after he is re-elected. And he will be re-elected since our current crop of cowards are all on board with the unconstitutional abdication of habeas corpus for the American people on their own soil as well as the unconstitutional non-recess appointments. Nary a whimper from the Republicans or more frustratingly, the American people. After all, the Republicans voted for the darned thing. These are serious constitutional breaches and nobody seems to care. Truthfully, Obama should be impeached, and tried for treason for subverting our Constitution. Not a peep though. There is another establishment so-called Republican candidate (notice the order) to ordain and we can’t be concerned with such trivialities as the right to habeas corpus, unconstitutional appointments or other such nonsense. I hope that the establishment has not destroyed the Tea Party to the point that those we elected have already forgotten why we elected them. McConnell, Boehner, Cantor, and others that voted to trample our constitutional rights should be primaried and shown the door the first chance we get. If we do not get serious about taking back the republican party and protecting our constitutional rights from the establishment (on both sides) we have no right to complain.

        • acat

          There are differences between the parties. One is infested with statists, empire-builders, apparatchiks, and the other one is the Dems.

          Good grief.

          Mew

          • rdcjr

            And thanks for agreeing with me that there is really no difference between the parties. :-)

    • edintexas

      I find a difference between voting for the lesser of two evils for President, and the power of the House of Representatives to control the purse strings. Consider the worse case scenario and Romney faces off against Dear Leader. I’d vote for Romney for one primary reason – Judicial and potential SCOTUS nominees. At least Romney would be consulting with Republican Senators, some of whom actually are somewhat Conservative. We already know what we’d get from Dear Leader.

      OTOH, there is real power in controlling the appropriations. Do the Republicans lose every time to the Democrats and their PR machine (AKA MSM)? Sure. Partly because they always utterly fail to make even a half decent attempt at informing the public, and perhaps mostly because they expect to fail. It is hard to overcome the PR advantage when you have decades of experience in failure.

      Will the country fail if the Democrat appropriations bills don’t pass the House (talk about upside down process, Harry Reid re-writes one base bill to include all sorts agencies and appropriations which haven’t even been considered by the House, and Boehner and company fold and pass Reid’s bill). The anser is an emphatic No.

      Will liberty be substantially decreased if Dear Leader gets to replace Associate Justice Thomas, or Scalia? Absolutely yes! For starters you could kiss the 2d Amendment goodbye as a new case results in a decision that it applies only to the National Guard and Army Reserve.

      • edintexas

        “anser” SB answer. Sure wish we had edit capability without another comment post. Some days me editing is better than others.

  • Wubbies World

    … The More I Like You!

    The “rinse and repeat” part of the article really struck a nerve as being so true.

    I thank you for your efforts and time that you post here.

    • tngal

      pair, for starters. Or as I asked several weeks a go how do we go about getting rid of him? But given that he’s not a conservative to begin with its not surprising he capitulates and runs back screaming to the house that it was the best he could do, the best deal we were going to get. The man is totally useless.

      • avgjo

        This is not intended to be a sarcastic question. But we’ve got to start delving into specifics.

        • vitalis

          The House Republicans have shown the Democrats they will NOT, under any circumstances, take the fight all the way to a government shutdown. The Democrats have convinced them that they will happily shut down the government to get their way, for as long as it takes to get the Republicans to cave, and will smile all the way to November as the media paints the Republicans as “obstructionist”. The Democrats WANT the checks to stop coming so they can blame the cruel Republicans. Harry Reid will not cut ANY spending, not pass a budget, and delay until another CR or Omnibus is the only option. He knows the Republicans will not call his bluff, because he is not bluffing. Boehner and the House Republicans can either go all in and hope the American people see the Democrats cynicism for what it is; or fight a losing battle for what is essentially an unsustainable status quo. I’d love to see the former, but I’m afraid we’re just going to see more of the latter.

          • aeaeren

            is there really a difference between the 2 parties outside of how much power one wants over the populance and how fast that can grow their power. They are both about “their” power and not about the people. I do not believe this is going to change anytime soon and with this Republican leadership it when will they capitulate instead of if!

          • johnq2

            It’s pretty clear Romney is going to get the nomination. Do you really think he’ll be willing to countenance a government shutdown in the middle of an election campaign? Or that the GOP establishment won’t back him to the hilt.

            Maybe you should talk to Newt about how that went last time.

          • adamcarralejo

            In your cycle of capitulation you begin with “Democrats propose some odious and profligate legislative idea or budget bill.”

            But in 2010 the Republican House leadership had the initiative. They proposed various items from their own agenda. Senate Dems played “defense” and not that effectively, from the left’s perspective.

            The obvious exception with the payroll tax cut extension. But every other major legislative battle in 2010 began with a Republican proposal or demand.

            I think the problem was that we kept taking hostages when it was pretty obvious that the leadership was bluffing. Whether you think the problem was the hostage taking, or the bluffing, something needs to change if anything is to happen prior to election day 2012.

          • rdcjr

            The house can do whatever it wants but McConnell as Minority Leader in the senate republicans are doomed. He has to be the biggest pu……….err……pansy republicans could have in that position. Name one thing that this wimp has stood his ground on and actually helped the House achieve? O isn’t the sound of silence wonderful.

          • benko

            tngal is correct:

            “Conservatives, including tea party types, simply don?t have the stomach for a real fight, and moderates love where the party is. No ?pair? needed in their way of thinking. Up until the point that we find ourselves in another great depression, or as I fear, far worse”

            How bad will it have to get to provide the proper impetus? If the people elect Obama as a reaction to Bush, and repubs nominate Romney, it will have to get really really bad before enough people are sufficiently motivated.

          • edintexas

            Newt, and the Republicans, caved just as the polling was starting to show the people were beginning to come around to the Republican position.

            I can’t blame the cave totally on Newt – he had Republicans who were opposed before the shutdown. As the MSM continued the attack, more and more demanded Newt back down.

      • Stan

        is for Boehner to be defeated in a GOP primary. Barring that, we all need to work, as has been said on this site, to elect true conservatives to both the House and the Senate. Get a majority of the caucus (at least in the House) that has TEA party leanings. Then, have someone who already has a pair (Ryan?) run against Boehner for speaker. Same thing for McConnell in the senate – myself, I like the ring of “Majority Leader DeMint”.

        • rdcjr

          Man you got that right!

          • carolynr

            See…this is about principle…not about anything else. We are either Americans…or we are not. We have values or we do not. I’m afraid this country is going down on the first two sentences.

          • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

            if he wins the nomination. Just as most in the GOP will (and all should). DeMint has not and will not endorse a candidate in the primary as he states in the interview here.

            DeMint would make a great Majority Leader, and any one of the candidates, including Romney would make a better POTUS than Obama.

            For the record, I do not support Romney in the primary.

          • carolynr

            nt

      • tnguy

        …..why would Boehner need to “grow a pair”, from his perspective? The republican party is about to nominate someone to the left of him. Unfortunately, Boehner is perfectly positioned with where the GOP is.

        Conservatives, including tea party types, simply don’t have the stomach for a real fight, and moderates love where the party is. No “pair” needed in their way of thinking. Up until the point that we find ourselves in another great depression, or as I fear, far worse, then everyone will be hurling blame scattershot. But the truth is, we all had a chance to stand – how was it Buckley put it, stand athwart history? – and say “no”, but instead, we refused. Instead of taking a stand, republicans have repeatedly followed democrats, always keeping a distance, but following them, nonetheless.

  • surfcitysocal

    No truer words were written. However, I’m not optimistic because I’ve come to believe Republicans are exactly like Democrats–which is why they keep capitulating. I’ve been kept too long on the Republican anti-tax plantation to believe anything they say anymore…and is why I’m escaping the GOP and registering as a conservative.

  • iluvit

    Boehner has overseen the passage some great stuff in the House so far in my opinion only to see it die for the Democrats political advantage in the Senate. The GOP has done a poor PR job though in demonstrating that Harry Reid is the problem. They do mention it but do not beat that horse until its dying breath.

    I feel that Mitch McConnell sold Boehner down the river and put him in a situation that was impossible to win in that payroll extention fight.. Sure, it was a political mess, but I do not believe that it can necessarily be laid at the feet of Boehner.

    It is just as important in my opinion for McConnell to be replaced in the Senate as Majority leader, and voted out of the senate altogether as soon as possible. We do not have time to make any more big mistakes in this country if we are going to survive. Weak progressive leaders like McConnell can no longer be tolerated. Snow and Collins have to be swept out with the trash as well. The Senate must have a house cleaning or no matter who we elect as President we are going to have one headache after another from these progressive elites. Looks like the Democrats are going to take care of Brown for us and we can get the seat back later (maybe but unlikely).

    We have made some progress internally in cleansing ourselves, but we must rachet up the process. I agree with a prior post that the perfect Majority Leader for these times is Jim Demint. Some may want to mention Coburn, but he is totally unreliable for true conservatives. He listens to advice from no one. I know him well personally and he truly believes that he and only he has all the answers to anything and everything and it is his way or the highway. He does have some great ideas, I freely admit that. However, we do not want to marry someone who loves you ninety percent of the time but during those ten percent phase she bashes you head in with a hammer while you sleep- Ergo Coburn and taxes. He really does not understand that cutting spending can be cone without raising taxes also. Sure hope he does not make any VP short list.

    • edintexas

      I’ve been paying attention to politics since the Kennedy/Nixon election. The GOP has ALWAYS done a poor PR job, although I have to admit it has gotten worse in the past 40 years or so. But that probably is due more to there being more balanced reporters and editors in the earlier years.

  • jqcitizen

    Republicans have passed numerous bills which were summarily killed by Harry Reid in the Senate without due consideration by the Senate. The Senate under Dirty Harry’s leadership with Obama’s blessings and direction then proposes garbage legislation and spending bills designed to appease his left wing liberal constituents and to allow him to claim that the do-nothing-congress has again failed to pass needed legislation.

    We need to realize that the House has been designated as the originating branch for legislation and that all Bills passed by that branch should be subject to full Senate consideration. The Senate can and amend if necessary and forward back to the House for approval or a joint committee assigned to work out differences. Under Dirty Harry’s democratic leadership this process has been stopped.

    Based on these tactics, the House should refuse to consider any Bill which has originated in the Senate until all House passed legislation is properly considered by the Senate. If the Senate is not given the opportunity to debate and propose amendments because the legislation does not meet Harry Reid’s and Obama’s political agenda then the blame and any consequences should should be placed them.

  • ihateliberals

    Boehner taught the Democrats how to handle him in the very first battle they had over the 2011 Budget. Put on the pressure and wait until the government is about to shutdown and he will cave. Democrats then look like heroes. Boehner needs to be replaced now with a Tea Party Republican. make a TP Republican the Speaker of the House and fight till the death.

  • carolynr

    http://rickperryreport.com/article/2012-01-16/perry-sc-day-8-taking-it-easy-myrtle-beach-sc?utm_source=Rick+Perry+Report&utm_campaign=ef0d1a2248-Rick_Perry_Report_01_16_2012&utm_medium=email

    And yet…we have to have some idiot as our president. This person is “real”. Are we into fake these days?

    • jakeofalltrades

      I give you: Romney’s poll numbers.

  • kenchely

    There is a step in between that isn’t mentioned in the article. When the Republicans do attempt to take a principled stand, every major newspaper in the country, every TV and radio network in the country, except one, and every “comedian” in the country on the late night comedy shows that younger voters watch as their news source begins a barrage of nonstop commentary on how the Republicans are standing with the rich against the common man. Within a couple of months, public opinion is so lopsidedly against us that our representatives and senators drop like flies if we don’t go along. We saw a special election in a heavily Republican district outside Buffalo go Democrat because the Ryan plan had been so thoroughly demonized.

    The big thing is–it’s not good enough to have the right side of the argument. If we cannot present it to the voters in a way that they will understand and accept, it’s no good; then we lose. The American people never did understand that Barney Frank and Chris Dodd had a great deal more to do with the 2008 crash than did George W. Bush. Intervention in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should have happened in 2004 or 2005, and Bush tried to make that happen, but Dodd and Frank blocked it, and sold it to the people as “THE RICH don’t want you to have a house.” Remember, everything we do will be presented in its worst possible light; everything they do will be presented in its best possible light.

  • johnq2

    Hard to see how the GOP is going to break that perception if it supports the expiration of payroll tax cuts, while opposing the expiration of tax cuts for the rich.

    This totally undermines Priebus’ (lame anyway) response to the finding that 69 per cent of people see the GOP as “for the rich” (not that the Dems do much better.
    http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Priebus-CNN-GOP-Rich/2011/11/13/id/417816

    Priebus says we want to cut taxes for everyone, but that’s obviously false, except with verbal gymnastics that have failed to convince anyone that the payroll tax is not a tax.

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  • hls87

    has no prospect of achieving anything useful in Congress. Not now, not ever. It won’t achieve anything useful even if it expands its majority in the House, takes 60 seats in the Senate, and recovers the White House this year.

    Republicans will always roll over for progressive ideas as long as the progressive establishment dominates the party. The people who run the GOP like progressive ideas. The party includes a few genuine conservatives, but most professional Republicans only resist progressive initiatives to the extent absolutely necessary to keep conservatives on the Republican reservation. It turns out conservatives are remarkably easy, especially when a Republican occupies the White House. We don’t insist on much and so we don’t get much. There is no indication at all that this pattern is about to change.

    With Romney’s ascendancy, the executive branch is lost for at least the next four years. Without an anti-progressive President, Congress will continue doing what it has always done, no matter how the next two elections turn out. Our descent into bankruptcy will continue.

    Romney is a disaster that no Congress can mitigate. Until conservatives take control of the GOP there is no hope in politics. You can’t take control of an American political party without winning its presidential nomination. As long as progressives keep winning the Republican nomination, the GOP will be redundant, a second progressive party in a country that urgently needs an alternative.

    The GOP isn’t going to make up for its failure to provide an alternative at the top of the ticket by providing one in Congress. That’s not how things work and nothing is gained by promoting false hope.

  • melbedewy

    like Gingrich did. Boehner didn’t have the ba**s and it’s too late now in an election year with all the “you’re killing babies, widows and cripples” whining.
    Maybe next year. But the reality is we may well be headed to a Japanese style Lost Generation to an ever expanding out of control debt.

  • bushhog

    or we elect a congress that does control the President! A strong Tea Party element in both the House and Senate can control the direction of the country — unless leadership teams with the Dems to pass progressive legislation, in which case we will have the basis for an effective third party!

  • johninohio

    this can mean only one thing–Tea Party conservatives are a minority in the GOP. The majority, apparently, want the era of Bush1/ Clinton/ Bush2 back, not the era of Reagan. America preferes big government over small government. The left doesn’t like Obama because he hasn’t grown the government as fast as they want, but they’ll vote for him anyway. The rest of the political spectrum hates Obama because he is making big government too costly and inefficient, and they hope Romney, being a businessman, will make big government affordable. Ron Paul will never get the nomination because he appeals primarily to an even smaller minority than the Tea Party, people under 40 who feel they have nothing to lose and everything to gain with a small government

  • jakeofalltrades

    I’d retract that before I got banned. This is a Conservative, Republican site.

  • texashistorian

    He wasn’t advocating a third party, just point out that it could happen- Limbaugh has said as much, along with many others. It comes down to how long we go on the way we are. If the GOP cannot pull itself togetherin the face of a massive financial crisis, and its doing a piss poor job of it at the moment I think we’ll agree, we cannot be surprised if a conservative third party alternative emerges.

  • johninohio

    administration. Those over 40 are worried about losing some or all of their future SS and Medicare benefits. They’re the ones supporting Romney.

    If the GOP plays its cards right, and the economy doesn’t improve markedly between now and November, they can win. And if they do win, it simply means our march to complete socialism will be slowed. Forget about stopping or reversing.

  • mikeymike143

    and that loon wins the ?least liked? candidate in every vote that is taken of tea party members, here is an article on that subject.

    NEW GALLUP POLL: NUTJOB RON PAUL ONLY GETS 7% OF THE TEA PARTY VOTE

    In other words, 93% of tea party members wisely reject this anti semitic loser as a presidential candidate.

    http://www.redstate.com/mikeymike143/2011/12/12/new-gallup-poll-nutjob-ron-paul-only-gets-7-of-the-tea-party-vote/

  • johninohio

    I said he appeals to people under 40. I didn’t sayTPers under 40. I don’t mean all people under 40, either. And since ‘conspiracy wakos’ form an even smaller minority, they’re not going to get Ron Paul nominated either.