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The Ultimate Treachery

By: Daniel Horowitz (Diary) | April 28th, 2012 at 10:47 PM |

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I’m at a loss for words; I’m really not sure what to think of this.

What word would you use to describe someone from party A asking members of party B to vote down a member of party A for supporting a fundamental view of party A?

Politico’s Maggie Haberman is reporting that the leadership-affiliated Young Guns Network has sent out mailers asking Democrats to vote for Dick Lugar (not exactly a young gun) in the Indiana Republican primary against Richard Mourdock on May 8. But that’s not all. They are stirring up Democrats by referring to Mourdock as extreme. In what way is he extreme? He wants to eliminate the Department of Education!

Do you want to know what is really extreme? The creation of the Department of Education, after surviving almost 200 years without it. Since the DOE was created, the cost of college tuition has increased over 439% adjusted for inflation! The rate of increase is almost exactly commensurate with the rate of growth of DOE subsidization. As you can see from this chart, the government-induced housing bubble pales in comparison to the government-induced Big Education bubble.

US News and World Report

Remember that the Department of Education began operating on May 16, 1980. Imagine how extreme the inflation in education costs would have been had the extremists thwarted the creation of the DOE back in 1980? Come to think of it, what would we have done had Dick Lugar failed to vote to create the Department of Green Energy in 1977? I guess that part was left off the mailer.

This is all economics 101 for Republicans, but I guess they feel they can say anything to an audience of Democrats, as long as they serve the purpose of reelecting an 80-year old liberal. The real irony here, as Bill Kristol points out, is that Young Guns was created to “chart a new course for the center-right movement and the House majority.” Lugar is neither new, center-right, or in the House!

Heaven forbid me to label this as Republican-In-Name-Only behavior, but let’s just call it plain old treachery.

Cross-posted from The Madison Project

Tags: Dick Lugar, education, elections, indiana senate, richard mourdock, student loans, young guns

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mikeymike143

lugar is more concerned about being loved by the liberal media than he is representing the people of indiana. lugar doesnt even live in indiana.

and mourdock is a principled conservative with a bright future in politics.
http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

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http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

…for Luger in the primary. Didn’t Santorum get raked over the coals for that?
mikeymike143

and it is pure political ignorance when a republican group sends out flyers to DEMOCRATS to try to motivate them to go to the polls. i would have expected something like this from mcconnell but not cantor.

ohiohistorian

I admit I don’t have a dog in this fight (being the OHIOHistorian). Looking at the Indiana conservatives, these people do not seem to like him very well so I bow to Hoosier opinion (http://www.hoosiersforconservativesenate.com/uploads/Blow_the_Whistle_on_Dick_Lugar.pdf)
http://blogs.freedomworks.org/files/LugarVotingRecord.pdf

My question to you Tea Party experts is:
–Josh Mandel is running n in a pretty uphill run against Sherrod Brown. Are the Young Guns supporting Josh appropriately, and do I support them, or withhold support? Until this article, I thought they were supporting conservatives. Now it appears they are only doing that if they are the only (R) candidate. Are they supporting guys like Mandel appropriately?

Dave_A

The reason Cantor supports guys like Lugar, is he knows Lugar will be re-elected and that Lugar will vote for a Republican as Majority Leader/Speaker.

For the Party, it will ALWAYS be about total-seats-held. Thus, they will protect ‘safe’ longtime incumbents up until the primary is over, then they will support the winner of the primary.

It’s simple, logical politics…

Not so great for ideological consistency, but very good for retaining power in the chamber-in-question.

Personally, I’d rather have the GOP in control with a few RINOS taking up seats, than the Dems in control with the GOP as a powerless-but-pure minority.

zachv

America is a two party system, which is a result of our plurality voting system where the highest polling candidate wins. Ideological consideration plays no large roll in our parties unlike multi-party parliamentary governments where adherence to the party’s ideology is a value.

Here in the US, the Republican (and Democratic) Party hopes that by building the largest coalition or biggest tent of ideologies, they’ll be able to sway the 50/50 vote split to them in order to get elected. Which ideologies (RINOs, conservative; social, fiscal) join the coalition to sway the 50/50 split is little concern beyond there having to be some rough similarity.
elayman

And one he has a good chance of losing to Donnelly whose votes for big spending, earmarks, bailouts, and debt are as responsible for our economic situation as any unabashed liberal’s. Lugar has a more moderate temperament than is popular but even if Mourdock is no Sharron Angle or Christine O’Donnell the short sightedness of likely handing a safe Republican seat to Obama ally would be just as devastating.
APA Guy

Joe Donnelly is popular in the Northern part of the state, but marginally popular elsewhere. He will lose the Indy suburbs BIG – just like nearly every rural part of this state.

Once Mourdock is the nominee, the party will stand behind him…as will Indies up and down the state. He’ll win by at least 15-20 points…maybe more.
elayman

I do. And I live next to Donnelly’s old district which obviously is more heavily Democratic and not reflective of the state as a whole. Thanks for the correction.

But even if Donnelly is the underdog doing in, Mourdock?s primary ad campaign still has been less than inspirational. Nothing new about why I should vote enthusiastically for him, just a lot of stuff about Lugar and why I shouldn’t vote for him….
APA Guy

Lugar is a sentimental son here…but sentiment doesn’t pay the bills or fill the gas tank. He will need every ounce of resources he has to pull this one out. Either way, the GOP is keeping this seat.

mikeymike143

lugar has an F rating with the NRA.

and jim demint’s senate conservative fund would never support a liberal RINO like lugar.

ww2nd95

we’re letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. Mourdock might be much better, but is Lugar worse then a Joe Donnelly? I personally don’t think he is and I’m pretty sure most Republicans would agree with that. We’re taking an almost guaranteed seat from the Republicans and making it a toss up… How this is even considered is beyond me.
http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/ pilgrim

When Mike Lee defeated Bob Bennet in the primary the GOP kept the seat with a win in the general. The same thing will happen in Indiana if Mourdock defeats Lugar. The GOP would also have kept the seat if Bob Bennett had won. There are conservative states that can defeat an incumbent GOP senator in the primary and win the general. Indiana and Utah are different from Delaware in this respect.
mikeymike143

mourdock is a proven winner as a candidate. lugar is on his way out and a real republican will soon be representing indiana in the senate.
APA Guy

The GOP nominee wins this seat…period. Joe Donnelly is popular in South Bend…not so much as you travel down the state KNOWS this lifelong Hoosier.

ww2nd95

With races against strong incumbents like Sherod Brown, I’m not sure how many resources we should pour into that. Yeah I would love to see Brown go, but I’m pretty sure he’s going to win fairly easily.

When we take resources and put them toward candidates, who in reality do not have a good chance to win, we neglect candidates who do have good chances to win against weak Democrat incumbents. And we also pull resources from struggling Republican incumbents, which we’re going to have in the House this time around.

So I say we need to spend wisely rather then loosely.

http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

Josh Mandel was the top GOP vote-getter in the entire state in 2010. He has already begun running positive campaign ads and sending out great mailings and emails. Ohio, with a GOP governor and legislature has balanced the budget, added jobs, improved its credit rating and lowered taxes. Sherrod Brown has been a rubber stamp for Obama.

Mandel’s best asset is that he has a history of voting against his party and he’s selling that in campaign speeches and mailings. This will by no means be an easy race, but to say Brown will win easily is completely delusional.
ww2nd95

and I would love nothing more then to get Brown out, but my point still stands. Brown is going to put up a very tough fight and odds are, he’s going to win.

I’m not saying give up completely on winning difficult races, please do not misunderstand me. What I’m saying is, we need to put our resources MORE toward winning the easier to attain seats, more so then the difficult to win seats. Don’t ignore them, just do not throw the kitchen sink at the tough races.
http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

If we only focused on the “easier to attain seats” we wouldn’t have Marco Rubio – we might have Charlie Crist (or his opponent). Attitudes like yours are why we continue to have McConnell, McCain, and Boehner playing footsy with the Dems and why we never make any progress on fiscal responsibility.

For what it’s worth, Mandel is a prolific fundraiser in his own right. He raised $5.8 million in the first quarter to Browns $6.5. Of course, the unions will dump boatloads of money into the state to keep their guy in power, but people are just now beginning to see the results of their foolish decision to vote down the union reforms as hundreds of teachers across the state are receiving pink slips this month. And local governments have been faced with either laying off police and firefighters or underfunding their pensions, which are more often than not scheduled to go broke.

I would not say Brown is in for an easy time of it, all things considered. (Of course, if you’re getting your news from the Plain Dealer, the Columbus Dispatch, or Plunderbund, you’re probably getting a different picture of the race).
mikeymike143

and josh mandel is a strong candidate and could easily win that race.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Every seat held by an incumbent – ESPECIALLY a Senate seat – is very difficult to attain. What we have to do is exactly what we’ve done with success in Massachusetts with Scott Brown, in Florida with Marco Rubio and in Oklahoma with Rand Paul is to build a conservative bench get a well known, accomplished conservative with excellent statewide name recognition and the ability to raise money and run them against the incumbent, be they Republican or Democrat.

We’ve got strong races in Ohio and in Indiana as a result of this strategy. John McCain is still a US Senator because the idiot JD Hayworth ran in the 10 primary instead of Jeff Flake or John Shadegg. Would they have beaten McCain? Don’t know, but they’d have given us a 1 or 2 point spread instead of 23.

We won’t win them all, but we can win most.
Dave_A

And that is a special-case, a grave mistake…

He should have faced unanimous opposition in the primary,and because he was not run out of town on a rail the Ronunlan Legacy has a new standard-bearer.

He *is* just like Daddy, which means we’ll have to deal with *another* lifetime of insanity…..
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

I even actually knew that. Nothing worse than a public brain fart.

We’ll see what he does with “the legacy”. If he turns out to be like his dad I’m laying in a supply of wooden stakes and silver bullets and moving to DC.

http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

Here’s what the YG Network Twitter profile says:

@YGNetwork
The YG Network is dedicated to supporting center-right policies and the efforts of policy makers who fight for those policies.
Washington DC ? http://ygnetwork.org

Note their web address, which was registered 10/6/2011.

The GOP Young Guns is a completely different site and the one associated with House leaders Cantor, Ryan, and McCarthy.

Could this be a group trying to use the Young Guns name dishonestly to promote a centrist agenda? It wouldn’t be the first time.

http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

…until I Googled “YG Network Cantor.”
acat

If this is his group, then .. What. The. {blank}.

If this is NOT his group, then where’s the loud protest that another group has attempted to steal his good name?

If the silence lingers too long, one begins to think there’s a link…

Mew

http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

One article says it was founded by two former aids of Cantor. He and McCarthy spoke at one of their events, so there are ties that need to be explained at this point. Interesting that Ryan was absent from that event.

Either way, the fact that a “center-right” group is running ads for Lugar should be used to Mourdock’s advantage.

http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

…..The YG Network adds another voice to the Young Guns movement, which began after the Weekly Standard dubbed Congressmen Eric Cantor, Kevin McCarthy and Paul Ryan the ?Young Guns of the House GOP? and they wrote their book, ?Young Guns: A New Generation of Conservative Leaders.? …..

http://ygnetwork.org/energy/

acat

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http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

About 15 minutes after the conclusion of the vote, as I sat on the couch watching in disbelief, I saw a group of about 10 Congressmen (some Dems, some Repubs) laughing and joking around. Cantor was right in the middle of it. I don’t pretend to know what they were discussing, but while the rest of us saw this piece of legislation as the beginning of the END, Cantor was laughing his a$$ off on the House floor. I’ll never forget.
http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

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clintonformccain

Colleges and universities have gone to an airline pricing model. Publish a high sticker price and then discount most of the inventory to whatever level it takes to fill the seats.

The real way to look at increasing tuition is net tuition — the actual cash money received after all of the financial aid discounting. The rate is still well above inflation (largely because it’s such a labor intensive business), but the curve is not as steep as it in when you look at rising sticker prices.

checkmate2012

Whenever the gov’t gets involved, contractors/vendors see it as a way to raise prices/profits since “it’s the government; they have mone”y so we’ll bilk them and charge $50 for one nail.

checkmate2012

the most blatant example.

acat

are really cheaper because they’re making more efficient uses of the professorial resources?

Seems to me that, while you may be correct about there being some “fluff” built into the “list price”, the true driver of increase is good old supply and demand.

Demand has been kept artificially high, thanks to pro-education “everyone should be able to go to college” propaganda, and price has risen because nobody has pushed back.

Some kids, and more importantly, some parents need to be sat down and told the facts of life… Some careers pay better than others … some don’t even pay enough to cover the student loans.

Mew

checkmate2012

The price is high due to gov’t “fairness” doctrine….again and always.

acat

you are addressing this to me, nor what you want me to do about it.

If you don’t like the responses you’re getting, perhaps you should try a different approach.

I will give you one hint – government involvement in healthcare involves both driving up pricing and underpaying – i.e. compliance with Obamacare increases the cost of health care (doctors gotta comply with more paperwork, and will pass that along to the patients) while payments from Medicaid and Medicare are still pennies on the dollar, compared to “posted” costs.

clintonformccain’s statement that education expenses are “posted” (but discounted) is true .. but it isn’t the whole story.

Neither is government involvement.

Mew

checkmate2012

n/t

Dave_A

Removing it from the calculation ignores the problem completely.

That financial aid is funded by…

THE FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENTS!

Because of this, it allows the over-all cost to rise out of control, since the government ‘has infinitely deep pockets’ and will just increase aid to cover any increased price…

Get rid of government-funded financial aid, and schools will have to set prices based on what the market (their students) will pay….

checkmate2012

if pure supply and demand were at play, then I give and all will pay the prevailing price. But when gov’t is involved, there is no free market and the mice will play when the cats are away.

montani

I’m not sure why you think “Colleges and universities have gone to an airline pricing model”. Do you have some sort of link or something? Tuition has gone up. Student loans are up. Acceptance rates are the same. Colleges charge whatever level they can get away with and turn students away. It’s the oddest financial relationship I’ve been able to find.

clintonformccain

to maximize revenues. This is particularly true at “merit aid” schools that offer tuition price discounts to attract affluent students who will pay perhaps $40,000 a year after a $10,000 merit discount from the $50,000 sticker price.

For example, Emory even factors in the number of contacts with the college. Someone who had demonstrated extreme interest might be offered less merit discount that an equally attractive student who is less likely to enroll if accepted.

There are numerous consulting companies in the US who provide pricing pricing modelling to colleges and universities.

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At the high end, federal student aid is essentially irrelvant. For example, there are some numbers from the finncial reports of one of the top liberal arts colleges in the country.

Sticker price: $53, 250

Average per student revenue (after financial aid): $33, 418

Cost (spending) per student: $80, 565

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47% of the students paid full fare
53% of the students received financial aid

Those receiving a financial aid, received an average financial aid package of $37,725 taken off the sticker price.

Of that, $33,749 came directly from the college. The remaining $3976 was a combination of campus work study job ($1800 per year) and miscenllaneous outside scholarships including state grants, Pell grants, National Merit Scholarships, etc. This college has “loan-free” finanaicial aid, so is no loan component in those numbers.

The federal scholarship money is so insignificant to this college that they have replaced it out of pocket in some circumstances. For example, this college removed itself from the federal aid program during the years that McCarthy required students to sign a loyalty oath to receive aid.

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I do think that federal dollars may impact pricing to a larger degree at the low end — community colleges, etc. But sticker prices are largely driven by the top of the market schools where federal aid is insignificant. Lower tier schools tend to go with the same sticker prices and discount their seats more aggressively (merit aid) to fill the plane.

Dave_A

The issue, is that prior to the federal take-over of student loans, many ‘School Provided’ loans were still federal loans, just with the school as the official lender…

The ‘Perkins’ program is the best example of this – the loan is made by the school, backed by the Feds, and thus the market-distortion still exists…

Less than 10% of my student aid, while I was in college, was not provided by or guaranteed by the federal government.

I think you’ll find the same in most schools today – especially after the federal takeover of student-lending, back in the ’00s.

clintonformccain

The $33,729 direct from college figure is just that. Zero federal dollars. The state and federal scholarship dollars are in the other $4,000.

This school is loan-free. They meet demonstrated fnancial need with no loans, so that’s not an issue in of the numbers I cited.

http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

My son received his award letter for a local community college recently. It’s a half hour from our home and doesn’t offer on-campus house. The cost of tuition for two semesters is $3500. Quite reasonable, really; you can get out with a two-year technical degree for under $10K.

However, they then add in personal expenses, room and board, and transportation expenses, resulting in a total cost of over $17,000/year!!

My son is not eligible for any grants or scholarships, but he can get $3500/year in subsidized loans and $2000/year in federal non-subsidized loans. In addition to that, if I’m willing to co-sign, he can take out a private loan from a bank up to the “cost of attendance” – so another $11,500.

Under this scenario, the schools have no incentive to keep costs low. In fact, they have every incentive to continue to raise prices. Lower prices will not entice new students to come to their school – new fitness centers with rock climbing walls and trendy cafes will.

http://www.rightklik.net rightklik

…to defeat conservatives:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8021/6977195590_18a61f10ce_z.jpg

http://www.rightklik.net rightklik

… in YG Network.

beccaleigh

When the VA GOP changed the ballot requirements for the primaries (basically rigged it for Romney) AG Cuccinelli knew that the only way to correct it was legislatively and he was planning on offering a piece of legislation to the General Assembly that would have allowed Perry and Newt on the ballot. Gov McDonnell supported that idea. Lt Gov Bolling has been the state campaign chairman for Willard in the past 2 elections. Literally overnight, Cuccinelli backed away from the plan and Bolling publicly chastised him for even offering it, saying it would be a “conflict of interest”. Bolling then couldn’t wait to brag about it to anyone that would listen and post it on facebook. (To make it even more interesting, Cuccinelli and Bolling are primary opponents for Governor next year) It has been rumored by many here in Va that Cantor put the pressure on Cuccinelli to back down and that makes sense to most Virginians. It showed me that Cuccinelli was doing what was in the best interests of the voters (Newt was leading all polls at the time) and Bolling was only out to do the bidding of the GOP establishment.
lerm

Have we lost another group of freshmen to the Washington establishment ? Have they turned Trent Lott already?

Fight the power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Jacobson get2djnow

Dick Lugar is an SOB, but that’s not quite the problem is it? The problem is that Conservatives keep giving money to the GOP where their money is appreciated, but not their opinions. If the NOT ONE RED CENT! campaign kept up and Conservatives steered clear of the GOP until the general elections, this wouldn’t be an issue for very long, because we are the motive force behind the party. Sure there are some people who pay for the GOP to get their work done between elections, but Conservatives bring the excitement and $$$$ to the party treasuries. STOP complaining and only give money to the insurgents!

Dave_A

Then we get the current situation, with ‘Majority Leader Ried’ in an election that could have seen both Ried thrown out of the Senate AND GOP Control, if the TEA Party hadn’t mucked it up for us…..

ww2nd95

When we get angry at Washington and our incumbents, we tend to jump on the person quickest to pull the trigger on whipping up the base and throwing out the red meat, instead of the person staying focused on issues, and though may not be 100% what we want, they’re much better then the alternative… And for all the efforts made, we end up with Chris Coons instead of Mike Castle, because the TEA Party decided it wanted someone who “is not a witch”.
Melody Warbington (rwm52)

like Mike Lee, Marco Rubio, Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, Rand Paul, and others, just to name a few.

ww2nd95

hasn’t done some great things for the conservative movement, I’m just pointing out some serious flaws in some of the candidates. Christine O’Donnell was a terrible candidate and really.. so was Sharon Angle. They said some good things, but in reality, people went with their hearts instead of their minds, and cost a good chance to win the Senate in 2010. We cannot make that same mistake again. We cannot throw our incumbents under the bus simply because we may not agree with them some of the time. It’s much better to have someone we can agree with 80-90% of the time, then someone who we’re never going to agree with, in office.

We cannot afford another Christine O’Donnell.

Melody Warbington (rwm52)

And I think the GOP is as much to blame for Angle’s loss as the tea party.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

votes with the Dems 100% of the time including for Harry as Majority Leader.
Melody Warbington (rwm52)

to replace some of the less conservative members. Sure we’re going to make some mistakes, and not all candidates are going to be equal. I’m just tired of seeing the blame laid at the feet of the tea party when we got much more right in 2010 than we got wrong. And if more incumbents were at least challenged in their primaries, perhaps it might keep them a little more honest.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

but we screwed the pooch big time in DE and NV.

We win when we have candidates like Rand Paul (hopefully he doesn’t turn into his dad) and Mourdock challenging Luger. We can’t afford idiots like CO’D.

And yes, the state parties in DE and NV torpedoed both their campaigns but they were such bad candidates they didn’t see it coming – when everybody else did – and they did nothing to prepare for it.

Running fools won’t scare anybody.
ww2nd95

I do think the GOP mishandled Sharon Angle’s campaign, but then again Reid was well funded and was going to be an uphill battle anyhow, but winnable if we had the right person in place.

All I’m really saying is, the Republican party as a whole needs to be more mindful of who we pick as candidates, not just the TEA Party. We need to make sure we’re running someone who can win a majority of votes, not just someone who is going to throw red meat out to the conservative masses.

I think losing Lugar would be a waste of a seat. The man isn’t perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but as someone stated earlier, we’re looking at taking a safe seat and possible giving it up because Lugar is a moderate. I wonder how the majority of Democrats feel about Scott Brown? Some of my more liberal friends yesterday were griping, because they cannot stand the fact that MA wanted to send a message to DC, because Coakley thought she had it wrapped up before it started. We ourselves need to be careful about what kind of message we want to send to DC.
http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

like Mike Castle getting annointed, which leads to Hobson choice elections of non-conservative vs conservative when neither choice is what we need: An electable candidate who represents the party and its members.

We have done well with folks like Rubio, Rand Paul and pat Toomey, and Mike Lee, but we’d have been better off if the establishment hadnst fought against each of them.

if you dont want unelectable conservatives as nominees, find electable conservatives instead of pushing unacceptable liberals who dont represent conservative voters.
mikeymike143

now that was a great quote.
ww2nd95

anything in this election. I agree with the premise of what you’re saying. I think there are several incumbents that need to be unseated, it’s just a matter of who we send to unseat them. Mourdock seems to be a fine conservative, it’s not like I do not like him, I just fear possibly losing that seat, but fine, maybe he’ll win it and we’ll be better off for it. We have to take risks once in awhile, I just fear the timing of this one, even if it’s small.

As to you saying if we want more electable candidates, we need to run more conservative, I agree, but do we all not want more electable candidates? I just do not want to end up with a bunch of O’Donnell’s, and Angles, and a few Mourdocks and Lee’s, because what we’ll end up with in the general if we’re not careful with who we nominate, is a bunch of Democrats and a few solid conservatives, but either lose the House and not win the Senate or have smaller a majority the House and a 51/49 majority in the Senate,

As to being a moderate, I do not consider myself a moderate. I’m not an extremist and I consider myself a realist, who votes with his mind rather then his heart, but no less conservative then anyone else.
mikeymike143

you will be seeing me attack yours and starzandstripez pro-lugar/anti-murdock posts on a daily basis.

this is a conservative site and mourdock is the conservative choice. and erick also backs mourodock. as do the vast majority of us on this site.
ww2nd95

So just because I’m a little concerned with the candidate you back, I’m a troll? And because Erick backs him, I should just automatically fall in line? Well that’s pretty weak in my opinion. I never once said I had a problem with Mourdock. Not once, in anything I’ve written, have I bashed him or said anything negative about him. I said I think it’s worrisome that we’re taking a guaranteed seat and making it more difficult to keep it, but that is not a rip on Mourdock in any way.

So you can go ahead and call me a troll all you want or a liberal if it makes you feel better, that’s your opinion, but I’m going to keep posting my thoughts on subjects that I have an opinion on, and if you do not agree with them, that’s fine, but to call me a troll for not agreeing with you, seems childish to me. We probably agree on more things then not, so it seems silly to me to try and call me a liberal.

That’s exactly the kind of divisiveness the Dems want, but somehow you fail to notice that we’re all on the same side.
http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

I agree with you that we ‘cannot afford to lose’ and so I hope and expect your full support of Mourdock after he wins the primary.

He’s won statewide before but we cannot let that seat fall into non-conservative hands (Lugar or Donnelly).

“Mourdock seems to be a fine conservative, it?s not like I do not like him, I just fear possibly losing that seat…”

He won his last statewide Indiana race with 61% of the vote.
Dave_A

If Mourdock wins the primary, I will hope he wins the General…

If he can’t carry the weight, and IN flips Democrat.. .He’ll go on the ‘Bad News Bears’ list with Christine O’D – a ‘safe’ seat surrendered to the other side, over ideological purity…
http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

We cant be going around calling every conservative candidate the next COD just because they are knockin off a RINO. does Matt Fong (1998 candidate vs Boxer) prove all moderate candidates are losers too?

Mourdock was elected statewide in Indiana.
He’s the next Rubio/Rand Paul/Mike Lee, not the next COD.
Dave_A

And I currently live in a state where we only get to choose between Ronulans and Moderates – and the libs still run everything because of Seattle/King County… Hence the outsider comment….

But it’s Mourdock himself – and the voters of IN – who get to decide weather he will be lumped in with COD (if he loses) or (if he wins) Rubio (I consider Paul a loss for the GOP, as he’s just like Daddy but smarter)….
elayman

He has been running for one office or another literally as long as Dick Lugar has, but he attacks Lugar for being a career politician. REALLY? At least Lugar has won all of his races, Mourdock has lost far more than he has won.
APA Guy

He has far better credentials than she did…and oh by the way, the Hoosier State is NOT Delaware, in case you needed reminding. Take it from one who actually knows and understands the political landscape of this, his home state for five decades.

mikeymike143

none of them seem to realize this is a conservative site. and a very good point you made with lee, rubio, scott, and haley.
these establishment moderates like dave_a and ww2nd95 said the same nonsense about marco rubio in florida in 2010. that he was unelectable and to support charlie crist or we would lose that senate
seat. now rubio is on the short list of VP candidates.

the only way you will ever get republicans to quit voting like democrats …is to make them pay a political price for doing so. and the tea party is doing that.

a career politican like lugar cares more about a favorable write up in the new york times than he does representing a conservative state like indiana. and on may 8th the citizens of indana will elect a great man to be their senator in richard mourdock.

ww2nd95

for stating my opinion. If I’m a troll in your eyes, well that’s your opinion and you’re welcome to it. But to say that this is a conservative site and therefore insinuating I’m not welcome, well you just gave a perfect example of the problems we’re having right now as a party. Do I agree with every poster on this blog? Of course not, but that doesn’t mean I’m any less conservative. Do I want to see Obama tossed out in November? Yes, very much so, but with people such as yourself saying that “Well ww2nd95 didn’t agree with what I said, therefore he isn’t a conservative and we shouldn’t listen to him” isn’t going to help the conservative movement one bit. The kind of talk you’re throwing out there in this particular post, just divides us up, when really everyone needs to be coming together.

So no, I do not support unseating Lugar, because I think it’s dangerous and is going to cost us. So say what you will about disagreeing my stance, that’s fine, but to say I’m a troll to be ignored is exactly the kind of talk Democrats want us having.
Dave_A

But I’m also no radical… ‘Establishment-leaning Conservative’ would be more correct…

My problem with the TEA Party is limited to specific cases where, due to the total lack of leadership (and a bit of libertarian contamination) they have adhered to the belief that it’s ‘better to rule in hell than serve in heaven’ – eg, that it would be better to have a permanent Republican MINORITY composed of TEA Party acceptable candidates, than to compromise a little and through that compromise achieve control of Congress.

We got some great candidates in the 2010 election – Rubio, West, etc… But STRATEGICALLY we also completely blew it – 3 more Senate seats and the PR disaster that was the Debt Ceiling confrontation would have gone very differently (as Obama vs a united Congress, rather than Obama and the Senate vs the House… And with the Senate balancing out some of the patent-crazy from the House (ahem. Bachmann…) that the media eagerly painted all of the GOP with…).

Those ’3 more seats’ were lost due to running absurdly weak ‘Tea Party’ candidates in states that are traditionally center-left – such as Delaware and Nevada. As a further stab-in-the-gut, they breathed new life into the Ron Paul movement, by helping Rand Paul get a Senate seat (IMHO, the whole family should be banned from the GOP, and I could care less that his opponent was a RINO – all Pauls are RINOs too)…

I want to see the GOP back in power, and I’m willing to accept the election and re-election of ‘RINOS’ from blue states if that’s what it takes to get us there…

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Call it the Old Fogies super-PAC, that’s what it is now.
johnt

D of E and the D of Agriculture, dinosaurs of ineptitude and brain death, funnels of cash to their sclerotic employees, cratered at their desks, useless as boobs on a bull.
tnguy

…conservatives will realize that voting for moderate and liberal republicans has aided and abetted the destruction of our country.

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php kralizec

Conservatives have always been confronted with fighting a two-front war: Democrats in the general elections and false conservatives in the primaries.

It’s time to get serious about cleaning up our own houses, then we will be in a much better position in defeating Democrats and their extreme left-wing views that are destroying our nation.

The Lugar’s of the world only make it harder for conservatives to fight the Left’s agenda. Time to kick the free-riders to the curb.

gmhunt

Cantor now along with Boehner and Rubio have thrown the “Tea Party” under the bus. They are proving to Republican “elites” NOT Constitutional Conservatives… look like no mater which party has control, big government is not going away, just the Constitution…………..

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