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About The Budget Agreement

Yesterday, it was announced that John Boehner and Harry Reid had reached an early agreement on the FY 2013 budget in order to avoid a government shutdown on October 1.  Pursuant to the agreement, both chambers will vote on a 6-month continuing resolution after returning from the August recess in September.  The CR will provide spending for discretionary programs set at the $1.047 trillion level agreed upon in last year’s debt ceiling agreement instead of the $1.028 trillion figure prescribed in the House-passed budget.  It will also continue funding for Obamacare.

On the surface, this might seem like the capitulation of all capitulations by Republican leadership.  After all, we’ve spent a year vowing not to jettison our budget in favor of the hideous debt ceiling agreement that is preferred by those who arrogantly refuse to pass a budget themselves.  However, before you all jump on Boehner and McConnell, this plan is actually the brainchild of Senator DeMint, Rep. Jim Jordan, and some other good conservatives.

At the risk of putting words in their mouths, let me first attempt to explain their strategy, and then articulate some concerns that must be addressed.

The Strategy:

Earlier this month, Senator DeMint penned an op-ed with Senators Graham and Johnson calling on leaders of both parties to pass a CR that would fund government into 2013, while “leaving major issues for the newly elected president and Congress.”

There are several motivations behind his strategy.  First, these conservatives want to avoid a scenario in which everyone is pressured into supporting a bad piece of legislation – perhaps a massive omnibus bill that contains new policies – under the duress of beating the clock in September.  Republicans tend to capitulate when pressured for time, especially with the major elections looming just 5-6 weeks later.  While DeMint would love to have a fight about Obamacare and spending right before the election, he recognizes that leadership will either shirk from the fight or bungle it, leaving us incorrigibly humiliated.  It’s better to defer the fight than prosecute it poorly.

 

Second, he wants to avoid a lame duck session, which is notorious for GOP capitulations.  In 2010, Republicans (many of whom were on their way out the door) agreed to pass the START treaty, a massive FDA food takeover, repealed don’t ask don’t tell, and agreed to a tax extenders deal that undercut their superior leverage, setting us up for future problems that we are still dealing with today.  By kicking the budget fight into 2013, we will avoid a scenario in which the budget bill is used as a vehicle to pass other bad legislation, most notably, a bad tax extender deal.  It will also give us the leverage to shut down the lame duck session altogether, and preclude the Senate from passing bad treaties.

Third, and most obvious of all, they are hoping that we win back all branches of government next year.  All things equal, it’s better to wait until 2013 to make all the important decision, so we’ll have more power and leverage.

Concerns:

  • Shutting Down Lame Duck: The overarching justification of this decision by conservatives was to shut down the lame duck session and preclude even worse capitulations.  Yet, conservative supporters of this agreement must remember: there is no parallel agreement from Reid or Boehner to shut down the lame duck session upon passage of the CR.  It’s not written into the law either.  Although this would take one issue off the agenda, we still have the sequester and tax cliffs that can easily be used to pass bad long-term legislation in the lame duck – the very purpose for embarking on this CR compromise to begin with.  It’s kind of like capitulating now in order to avoid a capitulation in the lame duck – and then, ultimately, failing to shut down the lame duck.
  • Obamacare:  Even if we believe that we’ll win back all levers of power in 2013 and have the guts to fight Obamacare then more than now, the timing of this strategy is awful.  Over half the House GOP Conference – 127 members – signed a letter urging Speaker Boehner not to bring any bill before the House floor that contains funding for Obamacare.  Now, many of our most conservative members are agreeing to this “kick it to 2013” strategy.  This completely deracinates the unified message and obviates the potency of any similar initiative in the future.
  • Tea Party Base:  While there is definitely some prudence to this strategy of deferment, it’s all inside baseball.  Most rank-and-file activists will not ascertain the broader strategy.  They won’t even remember who originally conceived it.  They will only see a wholesale capitulation on Obamacare funding and spending levels for the second year in a row.  They will view us as wasting two years bragging about the Ryan budget and then summarily abrogating it overnight in favor of the dreaded debt deal.  They will view this as rewarding those who refused to pass a budget for over 3 years.  Have supporters of this strategy considered how the plan will dispirit the base?

Bottom line:

We certainly appreciate the efforts of Senator DeMint and other conservatives, and understand that they are not caving on principle.  We certainly don’t want a civil war over mere strategy.  Moreover, even those of us who want a full-scale fight over Obamacare and the budget now, recognize that there is a lot to like about a plan that will avoid the lame duck and push all the major issues into 2013, when presumably, we’d have more leverage.  However, conservative supporters of this strategy must not go on record as supporting the CR before it is written and before all the details of the agreement are finalized.  As long as there is no inviolate commitment to 1) scuttle the lame duck and 2) punt all the end-of-year issues (including taxes and sequester) into 2013, there is no rationale or defense for voting for the CR.  Also, we must never agree to a preemptive increase of the debt ceiling as a precondition to eliminating the lame duck.

On this day one year ago, 72% of House Republicans voted to give Obama $2.4 trillion in more debt in exchange for a sequestration that they are now trying to undo.  It was all done under the false pretense of avoiding a fight at the present in order to “gain points” at some later date.  We must not repeat the same mistake.  Supporters of this strategy must ensure that all their original goals are met before signing away their sacred principles.

Cross-posted from The Madison Project

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  • d_lamar

    In my opinion, and I think I represent the thinking of many Tea Party Patriots, it’s time to take a stand on issues which are worth fighting for.

    No appropriations should be budged for Obamacare, NPR, Acorn, Planned Parenthood, and EPA.

    It seems to me that our GOP leadership in both houses has no difficulty in putting off a battle to stop the left’s agenda.

    Unless we get new leadership in both houses, there never will be a battle, just more capitulation.

    • CarolT

      They have got to fight, but they don’t. Didn’t they start the 112th Congress with reading the Consttution? They should start reading and memorizing The Declaration of Independence and remember that our founding fathers signed that knowing they were risking their lives.
      These people are not risking lives, maybe they will make one of the “leaders” angry but who cares?
      If we win in November we have to make them fight.

    • krish

      Tea Party should start targeting the entire Repulican leadership & otherwise, I do not see any major changes to where the country is heading!

      • chock

        Republican leadership is awful for us and America, vote them out. They are now the lefts useful idiots.

    • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

      I agree with you. Stop giving in. We need Republicans with a spine who will fight 24/7 and stand up for the Constitution in EVERY session knowing full well who ever is sent in the next will continue the fight as they did. Our current crop is all about the establishment and continuing power for themselves I’m afraid.

  • emptybucket

    was very well written and obviously well thought out. Does it seem like same old, same old to anyone else? There is always a “reason” why this or that was done but the “reason” or “promise” never comes to fruition.

    Why would this time be any different? The fact that nothing is written regarding the lame duck session worries me as the dems are nortorious at reneging on just about any deal they’ve ever made.

    We’re more concerned that Congress cannot get some budget CUTS going and wonder what will happen if Obama is re-elected as if that happens it is quite likely that we will not have taken the Senate back.

    • http://madisonproject.com/ Daniel Horowitz

      We’re always hearing about the “next battle,” but it never materializes. They need to convince the base that there is some point when they will *ever* fight.

      This article I wrote last April during the first budget cave comes to mind.

      • JSobieski

        It seems to me that the delta between this deal and what the House is otherwise prepared to fight for isn’t a suitable place for a goal line stand. The gain is just to small.

        If we are going to risk the political blowback of a government shut down, it should be for a line in the sand worth winning…and worth the risk.

        This was always my gripe with CCB—relative peanuts.

        At this point, it makes a lot of sense to plan a true save the country goal line stand for meaningful reforms in January 2013 than it does to cut ourselves up for peanuts.

        • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

          compared with the crappy boomerang of a deal they cooked up. At least CCB would have moved the needle. These deals have been ‘boomerang’ deals where we lost what we negotiated refore and end up geting hurt in the process.

          As we can now see, and some, like Redstate, predicted, the Aug 2011 deal didnt work – it got obama off the hook for making spending cut decisions he was supposed to make. It gave the Democrats a hammer .. and worst of all, it makes the budget debate make the GOP sound like hypocrite big spenders unwilling to cut defense. I for one have ZERO TOLERANCE for any Republican whining about the Defense sequestration like its some unimaginable doom. They voted for it – what maroons!

          The bottom line is that if we couldnt get a good deal *THEN*, when the Republicans were fierce, ready to fight, and had the recent victory behind them … then we arent going to get a good deal now.

          The plan to punt is correct, in the same manner that you throw in a poker hand that is losing. We’re not going to ‘win’ a pre-election budget fight (neither would the Democrats either btw, it would be a lose/lose extravaganza), so dont even try.

          And it is quite smart to take “lame duck horseplay” off the table. If we win the Senate, I want a resolute message from McConnell that we will NOT have ANY lameduck legislation. Wait until Jan 3.

    • sarg01

      The reality is that Romney is the only President who won’t veto a cut to Obamacare. Whether he’ll capitulate once it’s on the negotiating table or not is frankly irrelevant at this point, as Obama would never even let it get on the table in the first place.

      At the very least, we should gain control over the Senate. I don’t see how we can believe that’s nothing. The whole reason we have to make an agreement in the first place is because we don’t have that control now.

  • dragan

    I respect Jim DeMint and John Johnson. However, the fundamental assumption for good things to happen in 2013 is that we would have a majority congress along with the WH. Does Jim DeMint forget that we have Romney as the candidate for POTUS ? Romney is the establishment candidate and now we have to leave the most important ObamaCare funding battle to be headed by the author of RomneyCare ? O boy, this is tough

    This strategy, at best, helps in securing the Republican image of not causing Government shutdowns and may help Romney till election time. But if the election results go against us, ObamaCare will become more permenant.

    As a staunch fiscal conservative, I dont like this strategy. I say all this with all due respect to Jim DeMint

    • http://madisonproject.com/ Daniel Horowitz

      yea, I suspect there are too many people who are placing all their hopes and aspirations into a 2013 utopia that doesn’t yet exist and might never come to fruition.

      • JSobieski

        I think DeMint and Johnson are correct. They know many of our guys will buckle.

        We should position ourselves for the best possible 2013 team, and be committed for a true line in the sand goal line stand in January 2013.

        The clock is ticking, DeMint, Johnson, Ryan, et al know that.

        There is no rule that says we can’t be smart about choosing the place of what could be a true final battle for the country that we care so much about.

        • http://madisonproject.com/ Daniel Horowitz

          there’s merit to the strategy, they just need to endure that it doesn’t lead to a wholesale capitulation without getting anything in return (kill lame duck and punt tax issue into 113th congress). I just think that conservatives shouldn’t jump on board the ship before getting that commitment.

      • Kyle-MI

        I am not seeing how we can get it now. If we cannot get it after the election once we are in power, I don’t know how we will ever get it.

      • sarg01

        No amount of solidarity or fight will get anything we want signed into law before Jan 20 – not unless we beat the left so badly in the election that Obama just gives up in hopes of getting some “legacy”. It’s a nice dream anyhow.

        We can contend that a pre-election fight might increase our odds, but you can also make the claim that it may hurt them. I may not trust politicians to tell me right and wrong, watch my kids, plan my retirement, or determine how much sugar I’m allowed to have in my soft drink, but I at least have to concede they know something about politicking.

  • General_Confusion

    Sad that the certain capitulation by our losership to every Democrat whim is now a core factor to our ?strategy?. Why fail today what you can fail at tomorrow.

    Oh boy wait till 2013 when we have a deep blue state governor at the helm and the same losership in charge then well show?em!

  • Viet71

    The common ground will be a magical place, where no one present will have to behave responsibly but will nonetheless be well rewarded.

    The big looming fight, IMO, will be over taxes, not CRs.

  • gazill

    the rationale behind this, for lack of a better term, strategy on Mark Levin’s show some time last week. It made sense as he was explaining it, but there is always that nagging concern about the current Republican leadership and the stones they have to carry through anything they promise. Ultimately, to have this come back to the forefront in october would be a lose for the Republicans, because of the media/Obama connection, and the media do not give Ryan, Paul, DeMint or any conservative fair coverage. Nothing any of us here do not already know.

  • garfieldjl

    The idea is to make sure the Democrats can’t have a fiscal crisis in the lame duck session or around November, and then use that to ram some last minute policies in place.

    If the Republicans make sure that everything is running at least through part of the new congress’s term, it means Republicans aren’t going to be in a position where they will be pressured to cave on some new piece of left wing idiocy.

    I know people want Republicans to stand firm and all that, but you’re assuming both sides have the same ethics. The Democrats are perfectly willing to hurt the American people in order to get their way, and as we all know the lamestream media is perfectly willing to blame the Republicans for the Democrats’ temper tantrums.

    We have to win in November, that’s what this boils down to.

    • gekster

      when you are right, you are right.

  • spinoneone

    reminds me of the “frog and the scorpion.” The GOP is all too often the frog in that story. The Dems have proven time and again that they can’t be trusted.

  • krish

    Very good points! As you rightly pointed out, Republicans (main culprit is John Boehner!) gave away everything last year with respect to debt limit! All this hand wringing is just a ruse to appease the conservatives before the election!

    I hope the Tea Party people have not forgotten the deal Boehner & republican leadership did & how they hoodwinked all of us ….with catasstrophic scenarios will happen! I still remember Paul Ryan arguing for raising the debt limit on Hannity & somehow Ryan is considered a conservative leader! He showed that day it is more important to be part of the leadership is more important than conservative principles!

    With this gang in control of the town, I do not see how Romney can change the direction of the country! Even if he wants to take baby steps to the right, I would not be surprised if his own party leaders block him!

  • inovrmihd

    Essentially this boils down to “I will give in some now, because I don’t trust our leaders.” This should only be tolerable if there is a committment to removing those leaders from power. All conservatives should be pressing Demint, Paul, Cruzc. on this. Demint should make it clear that if McConnell doesn’t step down, he will be primaried. That would be a more important election than the Cruz victory, and should be a topic for discuission at the Redstate gathering.

    • civil truth

      The Senate is an ongoing process due to the staggered terms. We just need to keep chipping away and get more conservatives elected (and get a majority) – and thereby raise the fear level among the others – until we have the caucus support. I’m sure DeMint and the other good guys know how to count.

  • franklinjr

    …on the Mark Levin show. July 11 Levin interviewed Paul Ryan who gave a motivating and cogent overview of the strategy. But Daniel now gives me pause, almost concern.

    It’s worth a listen: http://marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930# then click 07/11 and fast-forward to 92:30.

  • vitalis

    but the result of calling the Dem’s bluff remains the same – a government shutdown. In what fantasy world does the House pass cuts and Obama and the Senate meekly accept them? What is the Republican strategy if they hold out for real cuts and the Dems block spending bills in the Senate? What do we do when 50 million people stop getting food stamps right before the election? I’m positive that Obama sees a shutdown as his only chance to get a motivated turnout that will re-elect him, and he will make it MORE painful for those dependent on the federal government just to pump up the outrage. Exactly what is the Republican strategy once we are in a shutdown? The Dems will be overjoyed to let it go on to election day in November. “We shut down the government in the name of fiscal responsibility” will be the campaign slogan of every Republican Congressman/Senator. That’s a winning hand? Once we have a government shutdown we will have to own it or cave. Sadly, best to punt now and make changes once we’re back in control.

    • d_lamar

      As long as one branch of the government demands spending at any level, and the other branch doesn’t go along, there will always be available the argument that they caused a shutdown of services.

      The holding government handouts as hostage will always work with the people drawing benefits.

      I submit that fiscal conservatives don’t get those votes now, and never will. We have to put a stop to this madness of buying votes with tax dollars before the tipping point is reached, i.e. more people drawing some kind of government benefit than paying taxes.

      I fear that we have already reached that point, and if I am right, the growth of government cannot be stopped. Bankruptcy and massive civil unrest is inevitable.

      • vitalis

        I’m simply asking “what is their next move”?
        1. House passes spending bill with real cuts like you and I want
        2. Senate refuses to bring it up, Reid says he’ll allow vote on a CR with no cuts.
        3. Government runs out of money, TENS of millions don’t get their checks.
        4. Elections are held. Who wins?
        Electorate doesn’t give a crap about motivations, one party wants the poor and elderly to get their checks and one party doesn’t. Until I see a Republican run and win on zeroing out food stamps and welfare, I’m thinking we’re looking at landslide losses.
        We do not have the power to cut spending right now, we only have the power to shut down the government. Do you think shutting down the government is going to be a winning strategy? Do you think America will rally around the Republicans for shutting down the government? Do you think the media will blame the Democrats (like they blame them for not passing a budget?) Republican leadership have decided that is a no-win situtation and I agree. Cutting spending will have to wait until we actually have the ability to cut spending.

        • renl57

          …with Clinton in office, polls showed that the public sided with Clinton.

          You don’t pick a fight *three months from a Presidential election*. The public will only elect the GOP to control the White House and Senate if they regard them as responsible. And shutting down the government to make a point–however principled–about excessive government spending is not going to be viewed by many Independent voters as responsible.

          The ONLY time we’ll get what we want–real cuts in Government spending–is if we get to control the White House, the House of Representatives AND the Senate.

  • AceInTX

    Chamberlain gave away the Sudetenland, Austria half of Czechoslovakia….sat by and did nothing when Hitler reneged and took the other half….all they while threatening that there would be consequences if Hitler crossed each successive line with no consequences….

    The result???? Hitler became more aggressive, more dismissive and bolder with each capitulation!!!

    So…is it a brilliant Idea to put off a fight for yet another 6 months and give Ried everything he wants and funding the tentacles of Obamacare to choke off yet more of the economy?

    If it’s such a brilliant move for put it off for 6 more months….why not another year? why not three years? Hell…let’s just pass a CR till 2020 then we’ll really give to em that time….

    BAHH!!!

    • JSobieski

      Threatening a shutdown for $19B is nuts.

      • AceInTX

        that will allow these spineless Cretans to put off doing anything to stop the raping an pillaging that the Democrats are doing to the country and the constitution….look at the debt ceiling fight….when these spineless asses agreed to sequestration of our military budgets in exchange for an emty promise to cut spending in the future…I called it then…here we are…the spending is still going up…there is no $500 Billion Dollars in domestic spending that will happen as promised…but the Military Budget is still set to be automatically cut by $500 Billion!

        So what did Frick Boehner and Frack McConnell accomplish by caving on the debt ceiling?

        They get to push for spending increases to save the military….the Dems will probably force them to raise taxes to pay for the increased military spending…and we didn’t accomplish a damned thing in the 2 years since we took back the Congress except make the Republican Party look feckless, incompetent….and bumbling….now we’re supposes to believe anything will really be different 6 months from now?

        I’ve got some swamp land for sale with ocean front views in North East Texas I’d love to sell any sucker dumb enough to believe it!

        • JSobieski

          We picked the time and place of DDay

          If you want to fight with no sense of tactics or strategy you will lose.

          • jakeofalltrades
          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            while Hitler stood his ground at Stalingrad.

            The Brits still had an army to fight with, while Hitler lost half a million men.

            Sometimes discretion IS the better part of valor.

          • AceInTX

            but before D-Day, We fought campaigns in North Africa defeating Rommel…we conducted an invasion and liberation of Cicily, and half way up the deadly boot of Italy….

            The point is…we fought….we didn’t keep kicking the can down the road waiting for the right time to take on the German machine….and put it off to the point that it never came….we fought….

            Not so with this bunch,….there is always another time…there is always a reason to put off the battle and prepare for next fight on better terrain only to put that battle off because there is better terrain somewhere down the road….

            How many times are they going to do this….surrendering valuable ground in hopes of capturing some mythical land we’ve never laid eyes on.

            Patton when asked once why he refused to retreat gave the simple answer that he didn’t believe in paying in blood for the same ground twice, (That’s a paraphrase)!

          • JSobieski

            Our guys deserve some credit for that. In 5 months I will be singing from your song sheet, until then we need to put ourselves in a position to win.

          • AceInTX

            and we’ve gotten nothing….

            But who cares…let’s fund Obamacare and make sure the money’s there to pay all those IRS agents….we’ll just defund it all later…..

            Riiiiiight.

        • JSobieski

          While there are some cuts most of the cuts are eliminations of future increases.

          Only in DC is an increase a cut. Even CCB was not an aggregate cut since a true freeze would have resulted in a larger cut.

          The bottom line is that we need to prepare to make a last stand. That moment is coming soon enough and it will be hard enough to do with a R president

          • JSobieski

            So that 2013 can result in something meaningful. This plattitude stuff from Romney isn’t going to cut it, but neither is shutting down the government for $19B

          • AceInTX

            Frick and Frack set us up for that one all the while patting themselves on the back for how brilliant they were in avoiding a government shut down…and they tried to convince us sequestration wouldn’t happen as if the Democrats wouldn’t allow their wet dream to happen of cutting defense spending to crippling levels….

            I said then we’d end up in the position we’re in now…and we’re in a tactically inferior position to from where we were when they made this deal…and now….they set us up for another six months on continuing resolution where Ried get’s everything he want’s while conservatives get nothing they want….and we’re supposed to believe it’s really going to be different the next time?

            I hope your right…but experience has taught me to doubt that very seriously

          • gekster

            Ex[erience is the best teacher, and it doesn’t go away.

            You would think these jerks would have learned by now that they are being played like bongos.

          • JSobieski

            That is how all the numbers are calculated. There are real cuts in one year and then increases every year after that. Embracing baseline budgetting is a mistake

          • AceInTX

            nt

          • JSobieski

            It is how all numbers are calculated and reported.

            There is no exception for defense in the baseline budgeting law.

          • JSobieski

            and then steady increases from the reduced 2012/2013 levels after that.

          • AceInTX

            and the Dems don’t have to do anything but refuse to vote to stop them….and they happen automatically….we gave away all our leverage last August and now Reid and the Dems hold ALL the cards

          • JSobieski

            Baseline budgeting is responsible for a lot of crap that we need to fix

    • streiff

      nt

      • AceInTX

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        • Bill S

          You don’t have to compare someone to Nazis. You simply have to refer to Nazis/Nazi Germany as some sort of illustration:

          http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/godwins-law

          You went from zero to Godwin in a split second.

          • AceInTX

            and the results of his constant surrender and capitulation and the NAZIs aren’t the point or the issue as far as I’m concerned….

            Chamberlain was a coward, a feckless fool and a naive bumbler who’s constant compromise and capitulation cost far more in blood and treasure in the end than would otherwise have been necessary ….not unlike Boehner, & McConnel….that’s my point

          • AceInTX

            because he fits the model far better…the fact that NAZIs Hitler was Chamberlain’s Nemesis is a side issue and not the focus of my argument…I’m not comparing anyone to Hitler or the NAZIs in any way here therefore, I would argue Godwin’s law does not apply here.

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            For example calling Benito Mussolini a fascist is not an affirmation of Godwin’s Law, but calling Rick Santorum a fascist is indeed a confirmation. Ace might just slip in on accuracy…

            By the way Jennifer Granholm is saying the Dems shouldn’t compromise at all and go over the cliff because the sequestration is everything they want: higher taxes and defense spending cuts.

            I understand a little horse trading is necessary in divided government but McConnell and Boehner don’t trade; they give away the horse, the cows and the farm.

          • AceInTX

            I understand a little horse trading is necessary in divided government but McConnell and Boehner don?t trade; they give away the horse, the cows and the farm.

    • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

      “So?is it a brilliant Idea to put off a fight for yet another 6 months and give Ried everything he wants and funding the tentacles of Obamacare to choke off yet more of the economy?”

      Delay is not good, but the election November changes all.

      WE should have stood our ground last year. In fact, in April 2011. Had we dont that, we could have gotten a lot more. We should have not let the debt ceiling being the hill to die on, but simply insisted on zero funding in the FY2012 bill.

      NOW, we face a situation where no matter WHAT WE DECIDE, the guys who come in in January can undo it.
      Why fight over nothing now?
      If we could get all Bush tax cuts passed, fine – do that – but we cant.
      If we could cut the budget seriously, lets do it. But we wont, not with Obama and Reid. They are spoiling for partisan antics but will never to the right thing on the budget.

      The chickens have come home to roost on the mistake of last August. Not to say we could have done any better, Obama is the most partisan and uncompromising type ( and yet the media will blame Republicans for that!), but we have to face reality that we cant accomplish now what we couldnt accomplish in 2011.

      2013 offers the hope of a GOP Senate and a new President.

      If Reid and Obama are still in charge, God help us all!

      • AceInTX

        “The chickens have come home to roost on the mistake of last August. Not to say we could have done any better, Obama is the most partisan and uncompromising type ( and yet the media will blame Republicans for that!), ”

        and to add insult to injury….I can almost guarantee you…6 months from now…we’ll have a whole new set of chickens coming home to roost….I’ll be saying I told you so jsut like I am now…and the Polyannas here will be singing about what a grand strategy Frick Boehner and Frack McConnell have developed and how much better things will be if we’ll just put things off till we have a larger majority in the Senate or whatever

    • JSobieski

      The Chamberlain analogy is hardly applicable here. The US did NOT invade mainland Japan in 1941. Nor did we initate a counterstrike that was equivalent to Pearl Harbor.

      Nothing says we can’t be smart.

      • AceInTX

        yet now we are to put it off six months from now….

        at this point I’m of a mind that, I’ll believe it when I see it…and I won’t be surprised if they aren’t capitulating then for yet another brilliant time to make the fight….with that….I’m out of this argument…because I can pick it up in six months when nothing changes

  • rightlane1111

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/79197.html?hp=r23

    I wish this site would do this automatically. Anyway…While everyone was watching and hoping for Cruz….this came across the wires and I thought Levin was going to go ballistic. This story plays it down…but Levin says this was no little thing. He didn’t want to hear from McConnell’s aids, saying that McConnell capitulated. However, that was not the end…he was even more ticked about Boehner who stated that he would never give into this. So much for our Conservative House.

    Something else he said…but no verification about it. He said that his sources said that the word came down from Romney to let this thing go. What is that all about. I’m only reporting what I heard…but it didn’t sound good. Besides…I don’t want Obama appointees put into offices…no matter who sees them as insignificant without the proper vetting.

    • tnfriendofcoal101368
      • rightlane1111

        passing through people that Obama wants in government positions…not about spending. Where is the vetting. I can’t seem to get the right configuration for getting these http’s to come up on this site.

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        • tnfriendofcoal101368

          Here ya go lineholder

          Just copy this without and put a Here ya go lineholder

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            darn it…

          • 6eorge Jetson

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  • dmartin

    Another trillion or so………once the hole is too deep to get out of does it really matter how much deeper you dig it?

  • michaelbowler

    The art of giving your opponent what he wants when he hasn’t the power to obtain it on his own.

    Obviously this an act of strategic cowardice, DeMint is only acting to avoid the embarrassment republicans will undoubtedly earn as a result of having a loser like Boehner as speaker. The RINO problem persists.

    One can’t blame DeMint…he knows what the leadership will do…

  • gmhunt

    Why ALL the lies about NOT funding ObamaCare??????????when they knew they would fund this TAX…….why don’t the GOP just admit, that they LOVE “big” government……..they said, give us the House, the “purse” strings of government and we did and ALL they do is fund what ever Reid and Obama want instead of limiting each department of government to 1990 funding to end the debt….they can not talk without telling another lie……..The people are just going to have to understand BOTH Parties are corrupt and only a hand full are worth a dam. and OBAMACARE is here to STAY…………neither Party cares about the Constitution unless it supports their agenda…….

  • rightlane1111

    I tried to pull this up on my e-mail account and it gave me an error message….it was playing fine…it took me five times through youtube.com but I finally got it. I cannot seem to get this click on this…but THIS IS NOT IN THE NEWS…and our Labor EMPLOYEES need to know about this. they are being thrown under the bus…just like I said a year ago.

    pls. try to get this clicked: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Lvl5Gan69Wo

  • colonelflagg

    “On the surface, this might seem like the capitulation of all capitulations by Republican leadership. After all, we?ve spent a year vowing not to jettison our budget in favor of the hideous debt ceiling agreement that is preferred by those who arrogantly refuse to pass a budget themselves. However, before you all jump on Boehner and McConnell, this plan is actually the brainchild of Senator DeMint, Rep. Jim Jordan, and some other good conservatives.”

    I’m still waiting for the $100 billion in cuts we were promised in exchange for a Republican-controlled House.

    Sorry, Daniel. No sale.

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