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The Broader Issue is Abortion on Demand, Not Political Gaffes

Over the weekend, Missouri Republican senatorial candidate Todd Akin made bizarre comments about pregnancies resulting from rape during an interview with a local TV station.  In response to a question regarding his opposition to abortion even in cases of rape, and as part of an effort to illustrate the rarity of such abortions in the scheme of the broader epidemic, Akin offered an inane, inaccurate, and insensitive explanation.  Instead of simply saying that life begins at conception irrespective of how it was conceived, and that giving the baby the death penalty instead of the rapist will not rectify the problem, Akin falsely claimed that pregnancies don’t result from rape.  He also used the bizarre and insensitive use of the word “legitimate” rape to punctuate the point.

Let’s be clear here.  The statement was inane, inaccurate, and insensitive.  But anyone who believes that Akin is pro-rape is insane.  This was an awful verbal gaffe, but it was clear that he was trying to explain the minimal number of abortions that are performed in cases of rape relative to the number of abortions in general.  He certainly wasn’t trying to defend the act of rape in any way, and anyone who is trying to insinuate that opponents of abortion support rape is a disgrace.

Now everyone is turning attention to whether Akin should pull out of the race.  In a perfect world, one goofy and inaccurate comment by a politician would not end his career.  And in a perfect world, that result would apply equally to both parties.  After all, if Democrats were asked to resign after offering a single inane, inaccurate, and insensitive comment, there would not be a single Democrat left in office.  Joe Biden certainly would have never made it to the Senate, much less the office of Vice President.  But the reality is what it is.  We now live in an era when one significant verbal gaffe by a Republican is a career-breaker.

However, whether Akin steps down or not; whether this group or that group demands such a resignation, we must all not lose sight of the broader issue.  It is liberal Democrats who must be ashamed of their abortion views, not our side.  They use abortion in cases of rape, which undoubtedly account for such a small portion of abortions in the country, as a red herring to promote their murderous pursuit of abortion on demand.

Why has Obama not been forced to resign over his failure to vote against baby-killing after the babies were already born from botched abortions during his time in the Illinois legislature?  Why is Claire McCaskill able to get away with her support for taxpayer-funded Viagra for rapists and child molesters?

The entire issue of rape, incest, and other extraordinary exceptions should not be used a means of promoting abortion on demand.  Obviously, it is incontrovertibly clear that pregnancies can and do occur from rape.  However, it doesn’t change the fact that if you believe a baby in the womb is a living and breathing being, killing that baby will not rectify the pain of the rape.  While nothing could ever rectify this subhuman act of violence, the best way to respond is by killing the perpetrator, not the baby.

In fact, it is liberal Democrats who promote banana-Republic criminal justice laws that have allowed rapists off the hook.  I would never stoop to their level and call them pro-rape for their position on criminal justice, but their liberal friends in the public defender business are not exactly helpful to bringing justice to these creeps.  I believe in using the death penalty as a viable option in some circumstances.

Nevertheless, we must not get distracted on this issue.  I can respect the motives of those who support abortion in cases of rape, even though it is ideologically inconsistent with the view that life begins at conception.   Let’s just understand that they are the exception of the exception and must never be used to justify the moral decadence of the abortion on demand policies supported by Obama and McCaskill.

Cross-posted from The Madison Project

COMMENTS

  • texasref

    conservative in the primary
    Republican in the general

    He is solid pro-life. This is just the establishment using it as an excuse to put their guy in. McConnell is petrified.

    I guess to be elected as a conservative, you have to be perfect…OR ELSE.

    • red_oakster

      What must a public servant do? He must persuade. He must use speech to persuade others.

      Akin’s words reflected an utter incapacity to carry forth an argument about one of the most important and charged issues of our time. And before anyone offers up Joe Biden and how unfair it is that some crimes of infelicity go unpunished, let’s stipulate that life is not fair. But if one of the two cases IS just, surely it’s the one in which Akin is called to account, and not the one when people who know better deliberately look the other way.

      • texasref

        “called to account”

        give me a break

  • prof_jay

    I agree that his wording was poor. But what was inaccurate? There have been studies that purportedly showed that the stress of a violent rape, and the physiological changes brought on by that stress, make women less likely to get pregnant. I’m no doctor so I can’t discuss how rigorous the studies were or their methodologies.

    The wording “legitimate” instead of forcible was obviously terrible.

    Am I the only one that is concerned that republicans refuse to stand up for the truth? Please, what did he say that wasn’t true

    • texasref

      This is just liberals and establishment RINOs seizing on an opportunity, not letting a crisis (albeit manufactured) go to waste, etc., ad nauseum.

      In a race to be politically correct in hopes that this time the media will like us, no really, really like us (apologies to Sally Fields), we are falling over ourselves to be CONCERNED.

      I’m not concerned. I hope Akin does whatever he thinks is best.

      • prof_jay

        Please understand. I’m no doctor and I could obviously be wrong, but so far the only documentation I have seen supports the idea that what he said was correct although terribly said.

        • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

          Obviously.

          Reams of comments, but nobody has an actual citation to defend the bizarre assertion, except for a cite found in an Ezra Klein article focussed on establishing the opposite – in other words, Klein has cited evidence showing Akin is factually inaccurate. Is Klein right or biased? Maybe both, but its an argument you dont even want to have. That’s why Akin apologized for it.

          Akin was wrong three ways: Incorrect, irrelevent to the issue, and insensitive to victims of rape.Even if there are some studies, its nonsense to suggest that rape victims cant get pregnant, they can; and any implication that rape victims that got pregnant maybe they werent really raped is horrificly insensitive.

    • samuel18

      Would you swear with 100% certainty that they are infallible?

      No?

      Then don’t cite hearsay as gospel. That is a critical rule in politics, and indeed any other field where you have the ears of the country. Do NOT say something that you cannot back up. He couldn’t back it up; he admitted so himself on the Sean Hannity show. An uninformed politician is equally as bad as an uninformed electorate.

      • prof_jay

        I never said they were infallible and neither did Congressman Akin. He said “First of all, from what I understand from doctors, [pregnancy from rape] is really rare.” There are legitimate studies that support that position from medical professionals. Nice try troll.

        P.S. Get a new strawman and try learning what hearsay is sometime.

        P.P.S I do agree that Akin has handled it badly.

        • samuel18

          …so you can cease with the personal attacks, and we can have a serious discussion about this.

          Concerning what you originally posted: “There have been studies that purportedly showed that the stress of a violent rape, and the physiological changes brought on by that stress, make women less likely to get pregnant.” I don’t know what study you’re citing, so the credibility is dubious or unknown right off the bat.

          When you are in a position of potential authority, as Congressman Akin was, one must take great care to watch their words. When you say, “First of all, from what I understand from doctors, [pregnancy from rape] is really rare,” make sure you have checked your sources before making a statement like that. Is your statement corroborated by the vast majority of doctors or by scientific consensus? Is your statement one that the general public would agree with? Moreover, can the statement be worded a different way as to not sound so shaky? Congressman Akin admitted on the Sean Hannity show that he couldn’t produce those sources. So basically, he was making uninformed statements.

          For such a sensitive and controversial political subject, making the wrong decision based on incorrect or outdated information can have a very chilling effect on personal freedoms. Thus it’s always important to be mindful of one’s sources.

          Saying “doctors say” is hearsay unless you specify who the doctors are, when you heard it, and in what study. Is that so crazy? It’s called doing your research and doing your homework.

          • prof_jay

            First, you were the one that asked whether or not I would swear that the studies were 100% infallible. Your strawman not mine.

            Secondly, in terms of hearsay, I’m not confirming that the study is correct I am just asserting that studies say that on their face. In other words I am not using the document to prove what it says.

            Finally, you have failed to answer my post. Where was he wrong? What is your source? If you really want to have a discussion answer my original post.

          • samuel18

            General medical knowledge says that if you have intercourse with someone, you’ll probably get pregnant. Todd Akin makes a counter-assertion for the case of forcible rape and says “doctors” said it, therefore it must be true. The burden of proof is on HIM to support the claim, not me to refute it.

            Remember the allegations that Harry Reid against Mitt Romney that he didn’t pay any taxes? He said he had an “anonymous source”. We all knew they weren’t true, but they stuck anyway because the Democrats insisted it was the “seriousness of the charges”. He didn’t have to prove anything, but the rampant liberal media circulated it…

            This is the same logic. I do not have to refute something that has not been proven. For all I know, these studies you talk about do not even exist!

          • samuel18

            Just to clarify, when I said “he didn’t have to prove anything”, I meant Mitt Romney. The burden of proof was not on him to prove that he paid taxes.

    • lapert

      Can you cite one of these supposed studies – forget trying to validate the findings or compare them to the studies that seem to contradict it.

      Do you actually know of these studies or are you just repeating something you heard second hand?

      And isn’t that the real problem with what he said – he makes it so easy to caricature the Conservative viewpoint.

      • hobarticus

        They just happen to show the opposite. That’s not to say post-copulatory sexual selection isn’t a real phenomenon in the animal kingdom. Just not among homo sapiens.

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8765248
        http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn907-insult-to-injury.html

    • sayoung80913

      I am solidly pro life and a woman and would be voting for Aiken regardless of this stupidity because this election is just too damn important. That said, this is just complete and utter ridiculous,clap trap,absurdity. WHAT studies? Should we look to history where back in the day, rape and pillage was the norm? the Vikings,Romans, etc who would rape the women to get them with child and then merge the two differing races and cultures? The rate of births was pretty high, was it not? How many women who have been raped would breathe a sigh of relief knowing that there are studies out there showing a “woman’s body has a way of keeping her from getting pregnant from “legitimate” rape? Just too dumb for words to express. OF COURSE, I think he mis spoke, the alternative- that he actually ~believes~ this ridiculous notion is too much to take. However, now he has doubled down and apologized by saying “all rape is bad and horrible,etc,etc” but kinda leaving the idea that a woman’s body prevents her from becoming pregnant still on the table. He has GOT to go now, the more he explains the worse it gets. Yes, he IS a solid conservative from what I see, but that level of stupidity does not inspire confidence . Please leave now, I am very busy trying to turn liberal and independent friends into republicans- this is not helpful at all. Don’t just throw out info like that without the sources and studies to back it up and expect to just be able to apologize and carry on, the topic is too delicate for that.

  • reggie1

    “But anyone who believes that Akin is pro-rape is insane.”

    Is that what the defense of Akin has sunk to?

    • runner12

      As awful as Akin’s comments are, he is in no way “pro-rape.” That is hyperbolic and inaccurate. His statements were bad enough and do not need any exaggeration.

      Please re-read the diary. It strongly condemns Akin’s comments and not-so-gently hints that it may be best if he bow out. I agree with this.

      The point was that the Left gets a free pass on their radical abortion agenda (abortion on demand) and they never get called on their squishiness when it comes to the punishment of rapists. The relatively short time those monsters spend in jail is a disgrace to our justice system and you can thank the Libs mostly for that one.

      • reggie1

        “Strawman” refers to putting up a false argument and knocking it down.

        No one is saying Akin is “pro-rape”. But Daniel insinuates it in his column.

        That is the strawman.

        • runner12

          no, he is not insinuating that. He is arguing against the meme that Akin is pro-rape that was suggested by a Lefty crony today. I believe I read it somewhere on Breitbart today.

          Perhaps there should have been a link to avoid confusion.

  • avgjo

    was referring to those wonderful women who have buyer’s remorse (either the next sober morning or when the pregnancy test is positive) and then claim rape for their own selfish reasons.

    Thanks, Mr. Horowitz, for having the courage to write this.

  • throwback59

    not “justifiable” but it was a very serious mistake none the less.
    I’m torn as to whether he should drop out. As a strong pro-lifer I say no but I am worried that this may cost us a senate seat and perhaps the state in the Electoral College.
    He only has 24 hrs to decide, no time to even see if this will blow over.

    • avgjo

      speaks volumes for where we are in history. The only people who could be forgiven for misunderstanding what he said haven’t yet finished middle school.

      Anyone else claiming that he meant ‘justifiable’ is a liar or a complete, blithering idiot.

  • absdoggy

    Drudge now reporting Aiken must go. If he stays in, he’ll have no funding, no support, will definitely lose the race.

    Very depressing.

    • avgjo

      and cowardice of many who claim conservatism..

      It’s disgusting.

      • tnfriendofcoal101368

        That showed the money is best spent elsewhere until the firestorm dies down. In the near future, planned ads hitting McCaskill are going to get drowned out by “legitimate rape”. I don’t think either announcement of withdrawal of advertising indicates the withdrawal is permanant if Akin can rehabilitate himself or the voters of Missouri chose to ignore what was in the words of Erick Erickson a “dumb remark”.

        I agree with Akin on the point that abortion is wrong in all cases…I don’t agree with where he went afterwards on the biology of conception either ethically or politically. I support him over Obamabot, Claire McCaskill and hope for the sake of our nation, the voters of Missouri will agree with me.

        • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

          Would that be in November?

          This gaffe is far worse than “Macaca” and the WashPost milked that enough to kill Allen in Virginia. Missouri is a red state but not THAT red, they too voted for a Dim in 2006 – McCaskill.

          Given the ‘under the bus’ treatment Akin has already gotten, this may become a self-fulfilling prophesy.

      • absdoggy

        Cornwyn (NRSC), Johnson, Brown, Rove, Drudge, SBAList, not explicitly but Romney himself, most Missouri Republicans – they are all saying he needs to go.

        They are all cowards and morally and intellectually bankrupt?

        • avgjo

          calling for his removal for this non-issue.

          How many of the people that you named claim to be pro-life? The pro-life position is predicated upon the idea that the fetus is a human life, right? And if it is a human life, why compromise its defense because it was conceived by rape? Should we execute children in general for their parents’ crimes?

          These people are putting politics and PC over principle. The dims don’t do that. They circle the wagons when one of theirs screws up. That’s why they’re handing us our lunch.

          • thefrederalgovt

            In an interview with New Hampshire television station WMUR, Romney said Akin “should spend 24 hours considering what will best help the country at this critical time,” according to a tweet by the station’s political director Josh McElveen.

            Meaning Akin will, lest we make Romney look weaker than he already is… Akin is a distinguished conservative congressman, and he was leading his race, to throw him under the bus like this is rediculous

          • renl57

            The problem is that a lot of pro-life politicians are trying to weasel out of principle: Murder is murder regardless of how the child was conceived. Suppose the rape victim carries the child to term and gives birth. We don’t give her a pass on infanticide because her child was the result of rape.

            The position “I oppose abortion except in cases of rape or incest” is logically and morally inconsistent.

            Those who are pro-life should be willing to say what they believe, not try to weasel out of it by “exceptions for rape.”

          • buddha1556

            is putting principle over politics and PC? Focus on logic before you lecture about intellect. As the diary implied, Akin said something incredibly stupid and we have an opportunity to drop him now and still 10 or 11 weeks to coalesce around a better candidate.

            It’s not enough to be conservative, a candidate has to be able to explain conservatism, and in a race with a relatively high profile, he failed that test miserably. That’s the main reason so many are drawn to Ryan, he has the ability to explain his positions. Part of having principle is holding yourself accountable. That’s why the D’s “circle the wagons,” there is no principle to speak of, so there is never a better candidate to speak of.

            Akin made an unforced error, and there is still time to replace him and still win that seat. I hope he’s out before the sun comes up tomorrow.

          • avgjo

            Anyone with more than a middle school education understood what he meant. He articulated the conservative position on abortion fine, certainly better than Romney or half the idiots in the republican party.

            You wanna talk logic? Where’s the logic in the position that abortion is wrong except in the cases of rape and incest? And yet, that is one of the key ingredients in the response from Romney et al., even going so far (as I understand it) as to misrepresent Ryan’s position on the matter. (As I understand, Ryan is a no exceptions guy – very principled and logically consistent.)

            And yeah, the dims do have a perverse form of principle – part of it includes always backing their guy up and holding to their ideas, legislation, etc.no matter what the short-term cost. (I give you exhibit A: Obamacare). The dims stuck to Obamacare despite the fact that it polled horribly and that they suffered heavy losses in ’10 and may well lose in ’12. They are more committed to Obamacare than most establishment republicans are to its repeal, so the law may very well be here to stay. That’s what I meant by my last sentence – history bears out that those with the most strident belief in their ideals and the most willingness to hold to them no matter what eventually gain the upper hand.

            When the Republican establishment (not just the pols, but pundits as well) jumps on the dims’ bandwagon, they implicitly affirm the dims’ position. In other words, it’s just a form of capitulation.

          • buddha1556

            I’m not exactly in a bastion of conservatism here in Indianapolis, so I’ve had my share of disagreements with people. It’s easy to say “anyone with a middle school education…” but that’s because you speak the language of conservatism. I’m sure Akin’s positions were better understood when he was running in a heavily conservative district, but once he got to a statewide contest, the message had to be nuanced.

            It helps me to picture the voting blocks of left, right and middle as different nationalities with different languages. It’s like when an American learns Spanish. They know the words, but it takes a long time to understand the context. I don’t care as much about the left, they’re speaking French for all I care. However, I do want to be able to communicate with the middle, and that’s not possible when Akin explains things like he did. It makes sense to people that speak the same language, but not so much to people in the middle or those that learned conservatism as a second language (Romney).

            Akin apologized almost immediately, so he knew what he said wasn’t being translated very well. He’s not looking good after last nigh either. When there are other viable candidates that speak the language, as EE indicated in this morning’s diary, Akin needs to set his pride aside.

          • avgjo

            My middle school education comment was a linguistic one, not a political one. Basic knowledge of vocabulary and skills of inference would lead one to understand what is meant. Of course, reaching such understanding assumes that the person in question really seeks the truth. THAT’S where I come to the conclusion either one is ignorant or dishonest.

            With language, you have a choice of lexicon. What the RINOs and many here are promoting is the lexicon of the left. Lexicon conveys worldview, inter alia. Right now, you are seeing many on the right play into the assumptions that (a) the left gets to make the accusations and we have to play defense, (b) we should never speak critically* of claims of rape or any other women’s issue, (c) that at least some abortion is okay. In other words, you are seeing people on the American right use the lexicon of the American left.

            What we should be using is a different lexicon, based on different assumptions.

            For instance in counterpoint to a, b and c:

            (a) the left has a lot of ‘splainin to do. For instance, before they get to make ANY accusations, they need to explain themselves on the following issues :

            – their pedophile protection act
            – their president’s support of the murder of babies who survive abortion
            – and on and on.

            We could use the actual lexical items ‘democrats hate children’ or ‘democrats like sex offenders’ or whatever.

            (b) we don’t see women and we don’t see men and we don’t black or white. We see people. And some people do perjure themselves for convenience sake. In a court of law, we are very cautious about taking accusations at face value. In the decision to kill a baby, we sure as hell expect such claims to not be taken merely on someone’s word. The lexical items could be something like ‘acting judiciously’, ‘protecting innocent life’When the caterwauling starts about rape victims, you move to item (c):

            (c) We believe a baby in the womb is alive. And we are outraged at any attempt to murder such a baby. But we find especially heinous the idea that if nothing else, a baby should be executed for the sins of its father. That is a perversion of justice in the truest sense and completely unamerican.

            But to successfully change a lexicon requires consistency and certainty, just as truly learning a language requires.

            And I can tell you, the American right, as a group, cannot and will not meet those requirements.

            * in the academic sense of ensuring epistemological and factual integrity

          • buddha1556

            to the title of the diary. It is true that the issue is larger than a political gaffe. I get your point about changing the dialogue. I agree that too many issues are defined in the language of the left. It’s about strategy to me, and knowing your audience. An interview on MO radio won’t change the overall conversation, so it didn’t need to be said when the stakes are so high.

            His role is to get the correct language into legislation (or remove the wrong language). He got himself into trouble by trying to expand his role prematurely. While I appreciate his efforts to move up the ranks, Akin has relegated himself to pawn status, and thus is expendable in the ultimate battle to change the language.

            In my following of that race, there were 2 other candidates that had some conservative clout, specially Steelman. Akin can be replaced without the overall message being lost.

          • texasref

            Notice how it’s only the Establishment types (and a couple Republicans from liberal states) that are calling for him to go?

            But it’s not about partisanship, oh ho no…this is just a chance for them to knock down a tea partier.

          • absdoggy

            It’s about making an insanely stupid remark about women supposedly not getting pregnant if they are raped, and using an ugly misogynistic term “legitimate rape”.

            Aiken has dredged up and confirmed every stereotype of Republicans “war on women” as b.s. as this is.

            Whether you like it or not, it’s a huge issue, and those calling for him to go are neither cowardly nor morally bankrupt. You can’t achieve pro-life goals when they are presented in this manner.

          • avgjo

            Yeah, he made a dumb (biologically speaking) argument. Misogynistic? Nice feminist language there. Oh yeah, and it’s disingenuous too. There is the issue of whether or not a rape really happened when a woman claims it. There are plenty of cases where women claim rape after they have ‘buyer’s remorse’ – either after they realize they were drunk, or they don’t like the guy or they get pregnant when they’re ‘not ready’.

            And this sort of trash has the same effect that fake claims of racism have – it leads people to question legitimate claims of rape.

            You, the GOP, Hannity et al. are implicitly granting the dims their point – you can’t dare criticize women or question false claims of rape used to murder babies, and that babies who are conceived in rape should be executed for a crime they didn’t commit – whether you mean to or not.

            You know what else is a huge issue? Obamacare. But despite dreadful polling and heavy political losses, the dims are sticking to it. You know why? They know they are more committed to it than the GOP is to repealing it. And so they know they will come out on top. That sort of commitment changes cultures and history, right or wrong. It’s that sort of commitment that we lack on the right and it will lead to the destruction of conservatism in America and to the American way of life.

            Cowardice in the name of expediency is ALWAYS a losing proposition.

  • jamesm

    Doom. Time for Akin to go

    • rabun1016

      I really wish he were a little older and had gone thru a bit more in his life. Candidate withdrawals don’t work out well.

      • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

        Akin stays in – he will lose and his career will be over.
        It helps nobody but his consultant.

        “Candidate withdrawals don?t work out well.”
        Well, ‘macaca moments’ and crippled campaigns dont work out either. He’s lost PAC support NRSC support and folks from Levin, Hannity and tea party groups have said he should step aside.

        We have political operatives and campaign jockeys wanting to dump a guy who’s made himself a liability, versus true believers who think shunning a prolifer hurts the cause. But Akin now is hurting the cause too, so SBA list also wants him out.

        “Can he now beat his opponent come November?”
        - Lean Dem at this point. This is way bigger than “macaca” was and that was enough to knock Allen off his stride, thanks to media harping on it. This will be a lib-media staple.

        ” If he stays in the race, will he be an anchor around the neck of the Republican Party come November?”
        - He’d probably run 10 points worse than what Brunner and Steelman could get.

        “The issues are the Senate and the White House.”
        Indeed.

        • rabun1016

          I certainly agree with all that you have said, but I do wish there was more restraint in terms of commenting. I know he is paid to do that, but it is always better if someone withdraws based presumably on their own analysis of their blunder (which apparently is not forthcoming). For some strange reason, it seemed that the more people wanted him out, the greater his resolve to stay in. Complete idiot, he has shown himself to be.

  • Ender

    then what’s the point of this guy staying in for a definite loss?

    • rabun1016

      Why doesn’t he quit? Because his campaign manager wants to get paid his full fee.

      Unfortunately, he didn’t misspeak. He just had it wrong. I don’t like folks that get something dead wrong and then claim they misspoke.

      Outlawing abortion even in the case of rape is a hard sell, though a principled position, but it was idiotic for him to say what he did.

      • rabun1016

        If his wife is indeed Akins campaign mgr, as mentioned below, get rid of him. Too many Republican double dippers in Wash right now. What a great way, if true, to convert contributor’s cash to your own pocket. Put up Tony LaRussa for Senate. .

  • prof_jay

    Not easy searching for studies at work. (Especially since Google is now filled with pages on Akin’s statement.) I realize this isn’t a study but even Ezra Klein’s anti-Adkin article states that there are studies that support lower pregnancy ratese for rape victims. See the last paragraph.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/20/study-rape-victims-have-a-higher-pregnancy-rates-than-other-women/

    Most studies seem to focus on pregnancy rates without comparing the two. Anybody know what that rate is for consensual intercourse.

  • prof_jay

    I’m sorry. I didn’t know how to make the url clickable and the last period should be a question mark.

  • Samsara

    He will get some calls tonight offering him and his campaign manager wife cushy jobs. Schedule the press conference for 10:00 AM.

  • rabun1016

    “What I said was ill-conceived, and it was wrong,” Akin said on former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee’s radio show Monday. (As reported by policymic.com)

    • samuel18

      “Ill-conceived”… A poor choice of words, yes?

  • thefrederalgovt

    In an interview with New Hampshire television station WMUR, Romney said Akin “should spend 24 hours considering what will best help the country at this critical time,” according to a tweet by the station’s political director Josh McElveen.

    Romney, what a wimp………Im sorry, but Akin is an outstanding candidate and for the standardbearer of the party to tell Akin to quit because of one verbal gaffe – is wrong. Romney has had his share of gaffes too. This pisses me off that Romney would weigh in this way.

    What do you all think?

    • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

      You cannot square: “Akin is an outstanding candidate” with a gaffe this bad.

      Nor can you blame others for throwing Akin under the bus for an inexcusable statement. Akin threw himself under the bus.

    • runner12

      I happen to agree with him.

      The issue here is not abortion. I have no issue with Akin’s stance there. I do have a problem with his insensitive and innacurate “rape” remark. Just stand up for what you believe in! Quit making up stuff to try and “legitimize” your position.

    • avgjo

      after the election, and I will honor that promise here.

      I will only make a generic statement on the question of this anti-abortion-except-in-cases-of-rape-and-incest.

      It is a position borne of political expediency and cowardice. It is also logically inconsistent. It also gives the dims a toe-hold to always keep abortion alive.

      The statements:

      I am pro-life because I believe abortion is murder.

      But it is okay to abort a baby in cases of rape and incest.

      Puts the one making the statements in a real quandry.

      So is it murder when you abort a baby in cases of rape and incest?

      —Yes.

      ————-> then you are saying that murder is okay in some cases. Care to give us the guidelines so we can change our criminal laws?

      — No.

      ————-> Then what is it in cases of rape and incest?

      —->An execution? So the baby should be held accountable for the actions of its father? Then for what other crimes of parents should children be punished? Again, care to give us guidelines so we can make general changes to the criminal law?

      —-> Not an execution? Oh, so what kind of killing is it? The only other justifiable killings in our culture are self-defense and war. Which applies to the defenseless baby in the womb?

      —–> If the two above are excluded, the only possibility is that the baby isn’t alive. By what black principle are babies conceived in rape and incest not alive? Will you regale us with tales about soulless bad seed?

      The people mouthing this nonsense aren’t stupid. They’ve considered the above, I’m sure. The only conclusion I can arrive at is that they are making such a stupid argument for political expediency. And such cowardice has serious, serious consequences.

  • halger

    I’m sending Akin money.

    I’m sick of the spineless losers. Winning come from standing for something.

    The party won’t be able to run away from Akin, they can only run on the issue and win it: Ryan and Akin co-sponsored a bill limiting care to “forceable rape.”
    “Legitimate rape” will be seen as a synonym, or close enough. Ryan and Akin are inseparably joined to each other and to this issue.

    The party establishment and Romney should man up and accept the facts and then fight as Spartans.

    The other way is the losers’ way.

    • buddha1556

      Winning comes from being able to adequately explain WHY you stand for something. Akin wasn’t ready for big time politics and it showed yesterday.

    • absdoggy

      Forcible rape is a specific FBI violent crime category – basically, it is all rapes involving a female except statutory rape. So, this is a perfectly good term to use.

      There is no such thing as legitimate rape – jeebus, when I hear this term, the first thing that comes to mind is that someone is trying to justify rape, give instances where rape is legitimate.

      I suppose he meant a legitimate accusation of rape, but the fact is rape is rape – when you call it rape, it is no longer an accusation, it is a crime.

      I stand for being pro-life, but I don’t stand for politicians who pull stupid like this out of their butt and hand pro-abortionists poo to fling at the entire republican party and pro-life movement.

  • Viet71

    There are two issues:

    1. Can he now beat his opponent come November?

    2. If he stays in the race, will he be an anchor around the neck of the Republican Party come November?

    I’m pro-life and would vote for Akins. That’s NOT the issue.

    The issues are the Senate and the White House.

    We can piss and moan about hypocrisy and Democratic mis-dealings all day. The task at hand is to win the Senate and the White House.

    Keeping Akins on the Missouri ballot does NOT advance the ball down the field. It’s a 15-yard penalty.

  • Common_Cents

    When will the Republican (aka stupid party) wake up and realize WAR is being waged on them by propaganda media and the left?

    When will there even be a suggestion of a conversation to attempt to make a strategic plan to combat the propaganda media?

    We keep sending individuals to die on the hill of gaffedom allowing the propaganda media to blow anyone out of the water for nearly any slip on our side, while they give total cover fire protection to the left for multiple aggregious gaffes?

    • Common_Cents

      Start pushing back and alinskying the media, and the left will be exposed and fold quickly.

  • Duke

    in order to stand a ghost of a chance of repealing ObamaCare. Just think for a minute about Adkins losing the seat and Hairy Reid running the Senate: four years of Pres. Romney and still no budget; ObamaCare kicks in during Romney’s first term and healthcare sucks the economy down a black hole, and for the topping on the cake, Fanny and Freddie run amok and stick the economy up our collective backsides – in case anyone ever wanted to vote for a Republican again in the coming next millennium.

    Pretty clear option really – Atkins can get out of the way so we can hang this economic albatross around Barry’s neck, or he can march on to probable defeat and allow the Republicans to take a header into the pile of bullcrap.

    • Duke

      the assumption is made that Akins is the 51st Senator. My scenario speculates such.

      It’s just so infuriating to watch the GOP crap-up a freebee like this, and like they did last spring in the recall elections here in Wisconsin. The Democrats now hold the State Senate by one seat, because one of our marginally brain-dead State Representatives thought it was OK to get 425 nominating signatures, because he only needed a minimum of 400. He didn’t make the ballot when 27 signatures were challenged and ruled invalid in a district that was a slam-dunk! Charlie Sykes called it “felony stupid.” Akins’ flapping tongue sounded felony stupid!

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